1 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 1: Now back to Dirty Work. Adam Copeland and Derek Papa 2 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:11,039 Speaker 1: in the k nb R Casino Matrix Progressive Jackpots Studios 3 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 1: Casino Matrix Progressive Jackpots are here. Where are you just 4 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 1: drop in? Please play responsibly? Called one eight hundred gambler. 5 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 2: Dirty Work on a Monday afternoon. Major League Baseball opens 6 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 2: the season on Wednesday, and they open it at Oracle Park. 7 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 2: The Giants and the Yankees in here to talk about 8 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:34,519 Speaker 2: and joining us on the UMA guest line. The man, 9 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:36,560 Speaker 2: the myth, the legend. Friend of the show. It's Bob 10 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 2: Costas Bob. Great to have yell again. Man, how you doing? 11 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 3: I'm just fine? But Dirty Work? Yes, restive jackpots. This 12 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 3: sounds this sounds like a little over the top. Are 13 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:49,880 Speaker 3: you sure you guys are under control here? 14 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 2: Well, we're yeah, it's not. Wait till Wednesday. It's all Wednesday. 15 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 2: That won't be out of control Wednesday should for the 16 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 2: last segments here, I want fun. 17 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 3: Sorry I missed it. 18 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 2: We're named after it. We named our show after the 19 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 2: We bonded over the movie Dirty Work by Norm MacDonald 20 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 2: and Artie Lne. Did you ever have any run ins 21 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 2: with with Norm? 22 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 3: With Norm? Yes, as a matter of fact, Norm was 23 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 3: a bit of a gambler, and I called you may 24 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:22,560 Speaker 3: remember this game, a fifteen inning game that ended on 25 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 3: Robin Ventura's Grand Slam single in the LCS in nineteen 26 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:29,679 Speaker 3: ninety nine. All right, so the game has tied three 27 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 3: to three in the fifteenth it looks like a grand Slam, 28 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:33,959 Speaker 3: and the Mets then would have won the game seven 29 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 3: to three, but Ventura was mobbed by his teammates through 30 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 3: team first and second and he never rounded the bases, 31 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 3: so technically the final score becomes four to three. Now 32 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 3: I knew because my father was an inveterate gambler, and 33 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 3: I'm not I'm not encouraging your listeners to follow his path, 34 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 3: but he was a colorful guy. So I knew from 35 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 3: the time when I was ten eleven years old what 36 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 3: all the lines were, and I knew the way Al 37 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 3: Michaels sometimes would slip that stuff on football games, but 38 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 3: the line that kind of moved one way or the other. 39 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 3: I knew that this was important to some people beyond 40 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 3: the fact that the Mets won the game, and I 41 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 3: kind of hinted at that. And I had never met 42 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 3: Norm McDonald until shortly after that, and the first thing 43 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:18,639 Speaker 3: he says to me was you knew that I was dying, 44 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 3: right because he bet the over apparently on the runs. 45 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 3: And the only way, the only way you can win 46 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 3: on the over in an extra inning game is if 47 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 3: the visiting team goes nuts in the top half or 48 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 3: in the bottom half, the home team wins. I got 49 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 3: a grand Slam or something that produces more than one 50 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 3: run in a situation like that. So he thinks for 51 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 3: a split second, bingo, I win. As unlikely as it is, 52 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 3: I win, and then Ventura stops between first and second 53 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 3: and he's pulling his hair out. So that was my 54 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 3: first encounter with with with Norm McDonald, who was one 55 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 3: of the funniest people I have ever known in a 56 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 3: unique way. I didn't know Artie Lang really at all. 57 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 3: I don't think our pads acrossed and maybe this isn't 58 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:08,080 Speaker 3: where you thought this would go. But Artie and Norm 59 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 3: infuriated my good close friend, the late great Bob uch Oh. 60 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:15,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, we've heard stories, yeah. 61 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, because they didn't observe what Bob thought was a given, 62 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 3: which was the Baseball code where certain things you just 63 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 3: don't talk about publicly. And Yuke was so funny and 64 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 3: if he liked you and you were in the booth 65 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 3: with him. Sometimes he would do a parallel broadcast using 66 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 3: the cough button, so he'd say something like, you know, 67 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 3: so here's what the adamus hitting two sixty two, but 68 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 3: he about to go. This guy hasn't on a base 69 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 3: hic since May. I'm sick of him, so I'm gonna 70 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 3: foul back to the seat. And sometimes it was funnier 71 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 3: than that. Sometimes it was so off color it was ridiculous, right, 72 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 3: and it was hysterically funny. And he did it only 73 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 3: for a select few people. So he did it for 74 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 3: Norm and Artie and then already goes on Howard Stern, 75 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 3: and Norman goes on David Letterman and spills the beam 76 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 3: right right. And Yuku is one of the best people 77 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 3: I've ever known, not just talented and funny, but just 78 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 3: a good guy. If you were his friend, you were 79 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 3: his friend for life. But they broke the code and 80 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 3: he wrote them off for life after that. 81 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 4: No, I mean, they've told great stories over the years, 82 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:22,839 Speaker 4: but you know, dirty work are very well, Bob, because 83 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:25,280 Speaker 4: you're battling for box office supremacy. In the summer of 84 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 4: nineteen ninety eight, when basketball came. 85 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 3: Out, No question. No question was all part of our 86 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:33,280 Speaker 3: who gives a Rap Fast Tuesday? 87 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 2: One of the great lines, one of the great lines 88 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 2: from that movie. Bob Costas joins us and you can 89 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 2: catch him by the way on NBC and Peacock's pregame 90 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 2: show for the new Sunday Night Baseball. Great to have 91 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:48,679 Speaker 2: you back on some pregame for baseball, Bob. So we're excited. 92 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 2: I mean, obviously the start of the season is exciting 93 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:52,840 Speaker 2: for everybody. And it's a really beautiful time of year 94 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 2: right now in San Francisco, in the Bay Area, we've 95 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 2: had some awesome weather. It's going to hold all this 96 00:04:57,360 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 2: week for the start of baseball season. But when you 97 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:02,839 Speaker 2: think about the Giant historically, May's Bonds, the dynasty, what 98 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 2: do they mean to the fabric of baseball? 99 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 3: Historically they mean a great deal, going back to the 100 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 3: New York Giants, going back to way before my time, 101 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 3: you know, the turn of the century. John McGrath's Giants 102 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 3: are a big, big deal and in the nineteen thirties 103 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 3: they had a Pennant winning team. I think they lost 104 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 3: the World Series a couple of times to the Yankees. 105 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 3: And then there's Willie Mays as a New York Giant 106 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:26,600 Speaker 3: and that team, and then when they get out to 107 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:29,280 Speaker 3: San Francisco, you got five Hall of Famers Gaylord Perry, 108 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:32,840 Speaker 3: Juan Marichelle, Willie McCovey, Willie Mays, and who am I forgetting? 109 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 2: Who's the fifth one? 110 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 3: So Orlando Cepeda. There you go. So they're part of 111 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 3: texture of the National League. The great Pennant races with 112 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 3: the Dodgers, both in New York and in the nineteen 113 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 3: sixties out in California. And of course you've got the 114 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 3: three World championships under Bruce Bochie in alternate years. You know, 115 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:57,360 Speaker 3: the Buster Posey teams, the Madison Bumgarner teams. So they're 116 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 3: definitely part of the fabric of baseball history. And any 117 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:04,160 Speaker 3: baseball fan that gets to San Francisco during the baseball 118 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:07,279 Speaker 3: season and doesn't at least stop by Oracle Park once 119 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 3: is really missing. Now that is one of the great 120 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:10,680 Speaker 3: ballparks ever. 121 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:14,280 Speaker 4: Talking to the great Bob Costas on the UMA guest line, So, Bob, 122 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 4: I'm curious to get your thoughts on the hiring of 123 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:19,599 Speaker 4: new Giants manager Tony Vitello. It's a very unique and 124 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 4: possibly innovative hire for bust de Posey to get a 125 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:25,279 Speaker 4: coach from college with zero experience at the professional level. 126 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:27,840 Speaker 4: And you see many coaches in basketball and football come 127 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 4: from the college ranks. Why do you think it takes 128 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 4: Why do you think it's taken this long for this 129 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 4: type of hire in baseball Because. 130 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 3: The culture of baseball is different at even the terminology. 131 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:41,839 Speaker 3: You're not a head coach in baseball. You're the manager 132 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:45,600 Speaker 3: in baseball. So there have been many baseball managers with 133 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:49,160 Speaker 3: college backgrounds. A prominent one now is Pat Murphy, very 134 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 3: successful with the Milwaukee Brewers. But no one before by Tello, 135 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:56,480 Speaker 3: has ever made the jump directly from the college ranks, 136 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:59,040 Speaker 3: not into the coaching staff of a big league team, 137 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 3: but to become the manager of the big league team. 138 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 3: And it's an interesting roll of the dice by Buster Posey. 139 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:07,720 Speaker 3: But of late, the Giants have been stuck, you know, 140 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 3: in a mediocre slot, kind of a five hundred team 141 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 3: for the last few years. And Buster comes in and 142 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 3: shakes things up. And as I look at their roster, 143 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 3: and you guys have followed this much more closely than 144 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 3: I have, being right there, they've got a lot of 145 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 3: guys who, if they play even close to their career 146 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 3: norm gives the Giants a good team, a team good 147 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 3: enough to catch the Dodgers. No, but there's three wildcards, 148 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 3: and the Padres and Diamondbacks out of the same division 149 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 3: in recent history have knocked the Dodgers off in the postseason. 150 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 3: Once you get into that baseball tournament, anything can happen. 151 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 2: Another big change this year, Bob, is the ABS system, 152 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 2: the automatic balls and strikes challenge system. Did you say 153 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 2: this is something that was coming inevitably? Is there's still 154 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 2: a case you think to preserve the human element behind 155 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 2: the plane. 156 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 3: I saw it as coming inevitably because they were testing 157 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 3: it in the minor league. There's lots of talk about it, 158 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 3: and I think they're using it judiciously. If I've got 159 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 3: the number right, it's only three challenges per team per game. 160 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 3: But if you get it right, I guess you retain 161 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 3: the challenge and it's only the batter, the pitcher or 162 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 3: the catcher who can initiate a challenge. You can't do 163 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 3: it from the dugout. So I think that that's reasonable 164 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 3: and they're not overdoing it, and it has to be 165 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 3: used strategically. There's going to be a time when the 166 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 3: batter is going to be up there, count is zero 167 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 3: to two and he thinks it's ball one and said 168 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 3: it's strike three. But it's the bottom of a second 169 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:35,440 Speaker 3: with two out of nobody on and you're to at 170 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:37,199 Speaker 3: the bottom of the batty motor, and he's going to 171 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 3: want to challenge, and the manager doesn't want him to challenge. 172 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:42,080 Speaker 3: She wants to save it for a more crucial situation, 173 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 3: or wants to save it when his best hitter is 174 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 3: at the plate rather than somebody who's likely to make 175 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 3: it out. Anyway, you're to be given another crack at it, 176 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 3: so there's going to have to be a little bit 177 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 3: of strategy involved in this. 178 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 4: Talking to Bob Costs on the UMA guess Line, So, 179 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 4: I am very excited to see you hosting the pregame 180 00:08:57,440 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 4: for Sina Night Baseball on NBC. When I think of 181 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:03,199 Speaker 4: sports and NBC, I think your voice, whether it was baseball, football, 182 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:05,679 Speaker 4: or basketball, and it's really a blast from the past 183 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 4: to have the NBA and MLB on NBC once again, 184 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 4: and it wouldn't be the same without you. So how 185 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 4: does it feel for you to go back to that 186 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:14,200 Speaker 4: network that you called home for nearly four decades? 187 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 3: Thank you for saying that. It feels great for me, 188 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 3: Like you say, four decades and involved in everything sports wise, 189 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 3: and also a lot of stuff outside sports with NBC 190 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:28,840 Speaker 3: News and a late night show I did after David Letterman, 191 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:32,320 Speaker 3: so you know, all the appearances with Carson and Leno 192 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:34,840 Speaker 3: and Conan and Letterman and all that sort of thing. 193 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 3: I think I was, in some small way part of 194 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 3: the fabric of NBC and that's where my whole career 195 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 3: should have played out. And then we got a little 196 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 3: sideways with each other a few years back, but it 197 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 3: was very gratifying. They reached out to me two three 198 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 3: years ago and said, you need to come back here 199 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 3: and write the last chapters of your career where most 200 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:59,319 Speaker 3: of it played out, but let's wait until everything's lined up. 201 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 3: They had a shot at the NBA, they hoped, they 202 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 3: had a shot at MLB. They got them both, and 203 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 3: of course they have the Olympics for many Olympic cycles running, 204 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 3: including twenty eight in Los Angeles at domestic Olympics. So 205 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 3: to have me be a contributor, not the main guy anymore, 206 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 3: but making sort of cameo appearances and doing some of 207 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:22,080 Speaker 3: the things that people associated me with over the years, 208 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 3: not getting in anybody else's way, not doing anything that 209 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 3: anyone else would be doing if I wasn't there. It 210 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 3: seems like a perfect fit. And the way they've done 211 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:33,200 Speaker 3: it so far with the basketball has been great, and 212 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:35,200 Speaker 3: I expect that it'll be the same with the baseball. 213 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, I want to discuss the NBA throwback broadcast you 214 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:40,319 Speaker 4: did earlier this month with Doug Collins and Mike Furtello 215 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 4: for the Spurs and seventy six Ers. You did an 216 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 4: interview with our friend Brody Brazil about a year ago, 217 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 4: and you talked about how you didn't want to do 218 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 4: play by play anymore because, in your words, you didn't 219 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 4: feel like you were on your a game. And I 220 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 4: believe the last time you did play by play for 221 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:55,079 Speaker 4: basketball on NBC was two thousand. So did it take 222 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 4: some convincing to call that game or and did it 223 00:10:57,559 --> 00:10:59,200 Speaker 4: feel like old times once again when you did it? 224 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:02,439 Speaker 3: Well? I knew that game would be different, and then 225 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:04,959 Speaker 3: it became even more different because the Spurs wanted by 226 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 3: forty points over a depleted seventy six Ers team, so 227 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:11,080 Speaker 3: that gave us even more way to just teckle stories 228 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 3: and we didn't have that edittal thing that was happening 229 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:17,320 Speaker 3: on the floor, but it actually came back to me, 230 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 3: generally speaking, a little quicker than what I would but 231 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:24,680 Speaker 3: not at the same level. You got to bonest with yourself, 232 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 3: and it was painful for me to be honest with you. 233 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 3: A couple of years that I did the postseason with TBS, 234 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:33,680 Speaker 3: and I only did it because a very close friend 235 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 3: of mine, Jeff Zucker, who had run the NBC Universal 236 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 3: Whole Network for many years then was at Turner and 237 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 3: briefly running Turner Sports, and he almost pleaded with me 238 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 3: to come back and be part of the baseball coverage. 239 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:47,840 Speaker 3: So I did, and I thought that I still was 240 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 3: probably ninety percent of as I ever did. But the 241 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 3: bottom fell out on me, if not completely, then noticeably 242 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 3: over those two years, and it bothered me in two senses. One, 243 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:01,440 Speaker 3: no matter what you do, if you care about your craft, 244 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 3: even if it's in a relatively small stage, you want 245 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 3: to be as good as you possibly can be. You 246 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:10,560 Speaker 3: owe it to yourself as a professional. But especially because 247 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:12,840 Speaker 3: it was baseball. Of all the things I've done, and 248 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 3: I've been very lucky to do a lot of things 249 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 3: through the years, and I appreciate all of them, but 250 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 3: baseball was always number one with me, and whatever standing 251 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 3: I had within the game, the things I used to 252 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:25,720 Speaker 3: hear not just from fans, but from players and managers 253 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 3: and other broadcasters and executives over the years, that meant 254 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:31,560 Speaker 3: a lot to me. And when I wasn't able to 255 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:38,080 Speaker 3: meet that standard, it really was a personal a personal 256 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 3: heartache for me, if that's not overstating it too much. 257 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 3: And I just feel like I should apologize to everybody 258 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 3: who expected better of me, and I certainly wasn't going 259 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 3: to come back for more even though they were inviting 260 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 3: me to and further lower my lifetime batting average. So 261 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:56,720 Speaker 3: now I'm in roles that are appropriate for me and 262 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 3: that I can still do just about as well as 263 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:00,439 Speaker 3: I ever did, at least I hope so. 264 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 2: Any it's a genuine and honest dance, right, I think 265 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 2: that's really I mean, it's a great scope into the 266 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:06,719 Speaker 2: way you thought about that. I think a lot of 267 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 2: people deal with that in different phases of their life. 268 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 2: It's very relatable. But the decision you made and to 269 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 2: stay on and we love still having your round is 270 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:15,320 Speaker 2: a really honest and genuine When Bob Costas of course 271 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 2: you can see him on NBC and Peacocks pregame show 272 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:21,320 Speaker 2: for the new Sunday Night Baseball. So just on another 273 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:23,960 Speaker 2: baseball tip here, you've covered this for a long time. 274 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:26,960 Speaker 2: There's I mean, not even quiet concern. There's concern about 275 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 2: a potential labor battle in twenty twenty seven. How real 276 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 2: do you think it is? And do you think in 277 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:34,079 Speaker 2: the past, I mean, we just had the lockout, we 278 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:35,960 Speaker 2: had the ninety four strike and eighty one and whatnot. 279 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 2: Have players learned generation to generation? Are we doomed to 280 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 2: repeat history? 281 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:46,319 Speaker 3: Well, they'll almost certainly be a labor battle, and I 282 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:49,080 Speaker 3: think both parties are aware that baseball was in a 283 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 3: good place right now in terms of popularity. There's a 284 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:54,440 Speaker 3: lot of things happening in and around baseball that are 285 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 3: very appealing to fans. But a good portion of the 286 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:03,560 Speaker 3: owners are dead set on establishing some sort of new template. 287 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 3: They want to expand to thirty two teams from thirty 288 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 3: which will be better for scheduling and possible digital realignment, 289 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:13,120 Speaker 3: but they're not going to expand until they feel like 290 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:17,959 Speaker 3: they have extended labor peace and a collective bargaining agreement 291 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 3: that makes sense for new owners to want to buy in, 292 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 3: and the existing owners of course sharing those expansion views 293 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 3: which are now into the billions. So there's a lot 294 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 3: at stake for them, And so if a lockout takes place, 295 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 3: as it almost certainly will in early December, that gives them, 296 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 3: in theory, a few months for some hard nosed negotiations. 297 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 3: And what I hope for from the players Association standpoint, 298 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 3: and going all the way back to Marvin Miller, I've 299 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:47,920 Speaker 3: basically been on the player's side, but they have won 300 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 3: all the important principle. Now this should just be a tough, 301 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 3: hard nosed business negotiation. But they think a salary cap 302 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 3: is still a moral issue line that cannot be crossed. 303 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 3: So maybe baseball has to come up with some different terminology. 304 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 3: Every other sport, every other except the NHL, is a 305 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 3: hard cap, and the NBA and NFL have versions of it, 306 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 3: because it was never a holy war over that issue 307 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 3: in those sports, and players are not exactly standing on 308 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 3: a street corner with a tin cup looking for handouts 309 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 3: in any of those sports, so you can have some 310 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 3: kind of structure that allows for that, But probably in baseball, 311 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 3: I'll have to call it something other than a salary cap, 312 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 3: but at the same time, almost everybody needs to be 313 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 3: a salary floor. You can't have the Pitberg gosh, just 314 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 3: pocketing all the revenue sharing money and not putting a 315 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 3: competitive team on the field around Paul Skins and worst 316 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 3: yet having all their fans who to a beautiful ball park, 317 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 3: but knowing that their team is best to finish last. 318 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 3: Also knowing that Paul Skins is going to be gone, 319 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 3: who have bargaining agreement. He's going to be the part 320 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 3: so he can get up out of there. 321 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 4: Talking to the great Bob Costs on the guest line. 322 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 4: So sports media has changed drastically over the years. We're 323 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 4: now streaming platforms are broadcasting games, and in two days 324 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 4: the Giants will take on the Yankees live on Netflix. 325 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 4: Baseball wants to have a kind of an NFL like 326 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 4: kickoff of the season, but baseball is a very regional sport. 327 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 4: Giants fans want to hear Dwayne Kuiper and Mikruco on 328 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 4: opening Day. I've heard you propose the idea where national 329 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 4: broadcast should have the local announcers. Streaming baseball games has 330 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 4: hit or miss with fans, but do you think more 331 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 4: fans would be receptive if there were more alternative feeds, 332 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 4: but the local announcers. 333 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 3: See I think it's only practical, and even then that 334 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 3: it muld be some obstacles in the postseason. I'm talking 335 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 3: about in the postseason, your team makes it to October, 336 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 3: the announcers you've games. That's what team sounds like, no 337 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 3: matter how good the national announcers are. And it's different 338 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 3: in baseball than any other sport because of the day in, 339 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 3: day out nature of it. And in football, not only 340 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 3: is it only once a week, but every game is 341 00:16:57,480 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 3: in some sense a network game. The radio announcer still matters, 342 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 3: but not nearly as much as the radio and TV 343 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 3: announcers locally matter. In baseball, the problem would be, on 344 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:11,120 Speaker 3: the one hand, if you could just cobble the ratings together, 345 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 3: so if people watched their local guy in Cleveland or wherever, 346 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 3: that rating would be just the same as if they 347 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:20,360 Speaker 3: were watching the national broadcast, and it would count toward 348 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 3: the rating of the national broadcast, and they'd have to 349 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 3: play all the same commercials. After all, the networks, as 350 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 3: much as people may get angry at them with their 351 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:33,399 Speaker 3: coverage of this sport, or that they've paid billions of 352 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 3: dollars for the rights and for the production costs, So 353 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:40,719 Speaker 3: you have to take their concerns into account. But if 354 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:43,879 Speaker 3: there was some way to aggregate the rating in a 355 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:46,639 Speaker 3: way that wouldn't hurt the network and would give local 356 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:49,120 Speaker 3: fans what they want, I'd be in favor of that. 357 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 3: But it's a little more complicated than that, because if 358 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 3: you're just overlaying Dwayne Kiper and Mike Krutko. Let's say 359 00:17:56,960 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 3: over the broadcast that everyone else is listening to Joe 360 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 3: day Us and John Smoltz on for example, Well, they're 361 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:07,639 Speaker 3: reading promos yes and there, and their director is taking 362 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 3: a shot of what Smoltz is talking about. Well, Dwayne 363 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:14,879 Speaker 3: and Mike are talking about something else, so and there's 364 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:17,640 Speaker 3: there are aspects of it that would be kind of disjointed. 365 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 3: So well, I don't know. I don't know that would 366 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:24,199 Speaker 3: work out perfectly. But I understand the local fans' concerns. 367 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 3: They want to hear their guys, and a lot of 368 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 3: people will turn down the TV sound and put on 369 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:34,040 Speaker 3: the radio. But it's that sound is often not perfectly 370 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:36,520 Speaker 3: synced up, and that's annoying to watch, you know, when 371 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:40,120 Speaker 3: you're two seconds behind or two seconds ahead it doesn't work. 372 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:43,320 Speaker 3: So the concept I think that I was driving at 373 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:47,119 Speaker 3: is a worthwhile concept, but the execution is tricky. 374 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 2: Bob cost is the voice you hear just before we 375 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:51,159 Speaker 2: let you go. Because you mentioned the three names. And 376 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 2: I'm a late night talk show fanatic, and I you know, 377 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:55,920 Speaker 2: I hate that so many of them have gone away, 378 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:59,199 Speaker 2: but I watch most of them still most nights. Carson, Letterman, 379 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 2: and Conan. I mean I wasn't old enough to watch Carson. 380 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 2: My dad was a big student of Carson. I love 381 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 2: Letterman and I love Conan. Yeah, well, like I don't 382 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 2: want to ask you to pick one, but is there 383 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:10,920 Speaker 2: one that provides you some really fun and fond memories? 384 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 3: Well, watching Johnny Carson, and I was only on with 385 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 3: him one time, and the one that was on with them, 386 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:20,720 Speaker 3: he could not have been nicer to me, and it 387 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:24,119 Speaker 3: was part of his genius. He made me, just a 388 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 3: kid at that point, relatively new at NBC, feel like 389 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:29,879 Speaker 3: I was the most interesting guest he'd ever had. And 390 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:33,639 Speaker 3: I certainly didn't crack the top thousand over all those years. 391 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 3: But you know, when you looked out at the audience 392 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:38,200 Speaker 3: and then came back and looked at him, his eyes 393 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:40,479 Speaker 3: were locked right into you, and he was doing all 394 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 3: those Johnny Carson things, wrapping the pencil on the desk, 395 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:46,680 Speaker 3: and I told the funny story and it went over well, 396 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 3: and I wish I could a bit day Carson. Well, 397 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:52,359 Speaker 3: that's wild, that's crazy, that's great, you know, Johnny Carson. 398 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:54,880 Speaker 3: For God's sake, Johnny Carson thinks I'm funny. Oh my god, 399 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 3: I could die tomorrow on the Happy Letterman revolutionized what 400 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 3: Late Night was. And he's really he's really my generation 401 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 3: from day one with Letterman, and he was so great 402 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:08,640 Speaker 3: to me and he had me on doing crazy things 403 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:12,119 Speaker 3: like elevator races, dog food races and stuff, and then 404 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 3: sometimes just as a guest that so he really helped 405 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:17,440 Speaker 3: my career by bringing a certain part of my personality 406 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:22,679 Speaker 3: out early on at NBC. And Conan is distinctive and 407 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 3: he was influenced by Letterman but didn't copy Letterman. He 408 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:30,480 Speaker 3: does such a great job now hosting the Oscars, and 409 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 3: there's something very good natured about Conan. Conan doesn't get 410 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:37,920 Speaker 3: political very often, but he tries crazy stuff and even 411 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:40,360 Speaker 3: as he moves to middle age, he sort of has 412 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:43,359 Speaker 3: that look in his face like I'm just a mischievous kid, 413 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:46,960 Speaker 3: and he's a crazy frank guy just thought of five 414 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:47,640 Speaker 3: minutes ago. 415 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:56,119 Speaker 2: He's a kid in like an exactly. 416 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 3: You know, I probably shouldn't mention this because it's a colleague, 417 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 3: but it was so damn funny, rebel when Brent Musburger 418 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:05,920 Speaker 3: said something that he wished he hadn't about some quarterback 419 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 3: at Alabama's going okay, So for like a month, like 420 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 3: every other week, he'd have a guy who was supposed 421 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 3: to be Musburger up in the rafters of his studio 422 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:20,399 Speaker 3: and you only someone from behind, but he was shirtless, 423 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:24,160 Speaker 3: and then they would they panned the audience and fine, 424 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 3: attractive girls and then they're fake. Musburger would then say 425 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:31,399 Speaker 3: ridiculously about that girl. 426 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 2: Fantastic late night. This is this is why we do 427 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:38,680 Speaker 2: journey work. Bob Costa is the ways here, Bob. We 428 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 2: always love catching up. We'd love to hear more stories 429 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:42,400 Speaker 2: about this. We'll catch up with you. Get on the road, Bob. 430 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:44,440 Speaker 2: Enjoy the start of the season. Thank you, Bob, Thank 431 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:44,879 Speaker 2: you guys. 432 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 3: Take care Bye. 433 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:48,200 Speaker 2: There you go. The Great Bob Costas the NBC and 434 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:51,200 Speaker 2: Peacocks pregame show for the new Senate at baseball dude, 435 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:55,120 Speaker 2: Like it's so funny to me, Like Bob Goss comes 436 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 2: on and he's like he on his own is quoting basketball, 437 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:01,679 Speaker 2: his own line from basketball. Okay, so just had to do 438 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 2: the second somebody brings up Norman, you're of Bob Costas 439 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:06,399 Speaker 2: as That's why I asked calling endo that I just 440 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:08,359 Speaker 2: made a chance. We get we're gonna ask. I mean, 441 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 2: he's got Bob's got more stories than we'll we'll ever 442 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 2: have and things that he's probably forgotten until it comes up. 443 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:17,200 Speaker 2: But he was cracking himself up thinking about the Conan mud. 444 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 2: He's universally loved, imagine working with Musburger at the time. 445 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:22,680 Speaker 2: He's like, it's my colleagues and they're doing this bit 446 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 2: every week on Conde No. 447 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 4: I mean yeah, Like the fact that Bob can talk 448 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:30,399 Speaker 4: about Norm MacDonald or Conan O'Brien, that's why I love him. 449 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 4: And honestly, like I was just beaming during that whole interview, 450 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:36,639 Speaker 4: like like honestly, like I know that we're starting the 451 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:38,760 Speaker 4: show and everything and I'm brand new with this, but 452 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 4: the fact that Bob Costs comes on with us, I mean, 453 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 4: like that's the bucket list stuff. 454 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 2: And with sophomore season, bro no rookie anymore, man, No, 455 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 2: I know, but like Dirty Works season two, the way 456 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:49,879 Speaker 2: the way that he was talking about like Johnny Carson 457 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:51,399 Speaker 2: and like how he got on his show and what 458 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:52,719 Speaker 2: that means to him, Like the fact that he came 459 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:54,680 Speaker 2: on with us, Like that means the right. Yeah, yeah, 460 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 2: I mean you probably love to hear that you're compident 461 00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:58,720 Speaker 2: to Carson, but you're I mean, you're absolutely right. It's 462 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 2: like that's like we talk about the guys who still 463 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:02,720 Speaker 2: give you the pinch you moments and the pinch mean moments. 464 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 2: Steve Young still does that for me. Whenever we talked 465 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 2: to Costas, I'm like, again, waiting, they're watching basketball as 466 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 2: a kid. Oh dude, so I was watching all part 467 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:13,439 Speaker 2: of our networks. Who gives a two days? 468 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 4: Bob still remembers all the lines, not his lines. He 469 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 4: also knows al Michael's lines in that movie. Yes, Like 470 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:20,720 Speaker 4: I was watching the interview last night, Brody Brazil did 471 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 4: a fantastic interview with him about a year ago, and 472 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 4: then he came on again this year. But Brody asks 473 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 4: him about basketball and he was like, well, a lot 474 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:28,960 Speaker 4: of stuff we did back then. We couldn't do today. 475 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:32,480 Speaker 4: And then Al Michaels found out that I was making 476 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:34,159 Speaker 4: five times more than him, and he was like, oh, 477 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 4: I'm not doing this movie anymore. Screw that, and they 478 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 4: reworked his contract on the spot. But Bob recites the line. 479 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:42,400 Speaker 4: He's like, Yeah, there's a moment in the movie where 480 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 4: I'm like, could you imagine five years ago that? 481 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 2: And then Bob drops the line. He's like, and I can't. 482 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 4: Believe five years ago those cheerleaders. 483 00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:54,720 Speaker 2: Were great girls, dance and costs are not castas it's 484 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 2: a Michael's going. 485 00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:58,959 Speaker 4: And then Bob, Bob, Bob looks around like what that 486 00:23:58,960 --> 00:23:59,679 Speaker 4: can can you say that? 487 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:01,560 Speaker 2: Like, what the hell is going on? Yeah? That's they 488 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 2: played the broadcaster. That's really really funny. So we've got 489 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 2: to we should make it a point to try to 490 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:07,760 Speaker 2: get as many of the cast of that movie on 491 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 2: that we can basketball. So we still need We got 492 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:12,680 Speaker 2: to get Reggie Jackson, we do. Yes, we gotta get 493 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:15,040 Speaker 2: to Dan Patrick. I gotta get Dan Patrick. We've had 494 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:17,400 Speaker 2: Kenny Maine, we have, yes, Kenny Maine's that we didn't 495 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 2: even talk to basketball with me. 496 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:20,440 Speaker 4: I think we did. I think we talked about it. Briefly, 497 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 4: and he was like, yeah, you know, he was kind 498 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:25,440 Speaker 4: of serious about it. Yeah, but yeah, it was hilarious. 499 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:27,720 Speaker 4: Solicit of Bob on the Brodi Brazil interview talk about 500 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 4: how when they were filming the movie, it was the 501 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 4: last thing they had to do in the movie because 502 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:34,120 Speaker 4: it ties everything together with their play by play. And 503 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:36,480 Speaker 4: in the while they're filming it, Al Michael's turns to 504 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 4: Bob Costas and goes, this is kind of terrible, isn't 505 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 4: it This This movie is not that funny, and they 506 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 4: think they're like realizing that while they're filming in and 507 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 4: then years later Bob was talking about how his son 508 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:46,679 Speaker 4: comes up to him all the time, it's like, all 509 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:47,680 Speaker 4: my friends love that movie. 510 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 2: Oh dude, it's It's one Tang and all the all 511 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:53,199 Speaker 2: time favorites. Yeah, he's in Pooty Tang. So that's the 512 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 2: It's a kin to his mister Smith, Christ to Washington, 513 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:57,720 Speaker 2: Adam Hilblind, Deep Pop Dan done with you. If you 514 00:24:57,720 --> 00:24:59,600 Speaker 2: missed any of Bob Gossa's you gotta go check it out. 515 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:02,159 Speaker 2: Really good wide range in chat and some really funny stuffs. 516 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:06,479 Speaker 2: Alry time for me. Donny Carson Conan story is running 517 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,520 Speaker 2: with Norm MacDonald after the Robin Ventura walk off Grand 518 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:12,560 Speaker 2: Slam single in the ALCS. That's that was a really 519 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:15,520 Speaker 2: really cool conversation. Check that out thesports Leader dot com 520 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:17,520 Speaker 2: and the The sports Leader app. When we come on 521 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 2: back about this Jackson Smith and Jigbas signs a massive deal. Also, 522 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:24,720 Speaker 2: by the way, you see Travis Kelsey signed with the Chiefs. 523 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 2: We'll tell you about that weird contract three years when 524 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,440 Speaker 2: we come on back. Plus Trump, Williams and the Niners 525 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 2: apparently nowhere close. That's not good. No, not Mayoka joins 526 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 2: us later, but we'll talk about this next dirty work 527 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 2: on a Monday on The Sports Leader