WEBVTT - Doing Goon Things 0:00:07.080 --> 0:00:10.940 Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio at the 0:00:10.960 --> 0:00:15.210 George Washington Broadcast Center. Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty. 0:00:15.390 --> 0:00:40.230 Armstrong and Getty. And now, here's Armstrong and Getty. So 0:00:40.250 --> 0:00:43.850 we all heard about the botched execution of Krista Pike 0:00:44.070 --> 0:00:48.370 in Tennessee the other day. It strikes me she's still 0:00:48.409 --> 0:00:49.490 alive by all accounts. 0:00:49.729 --> 0:00:53.490 You know, almost everybody has said the same thing. Canada 0:00:53.770 --> 0:00:58.910 kills people by the thousands. And obviously they all think 0:00:58.980 --> 0:01:04.060 it is both safe, effective, and humane as they are 0:01:04.160 --> 0:01:09.440 volunteering to To be snuffed that way, and they all voted. 0:01:09.200 --> 0:01:10.060 For it and everything else. 0:01:10.400 --> 0:01:15.920 So clearly there is a safe, effective, kind, I don't 0:01:15.940 --> 0:01:18.940 know why you need to be kind, but kind way 0:01:19.060 --> 0:01:19.880 to snuff people. 0:01:20.080 --> 0:01:23.380 They do it around the world, various countries, and we 0:01:23.420 --> 0:01:26.690 can't do it. brilliantly anticipating my next point which was 0:01:26.720 --> 0:01:29.630 going to be virtually everybody quoted in every article in 0:01:29.670 --> 0:01:32.910 every news story about this story is an anti-death penalty 0:01:33.010 --> 0:01:35.930 activist of course which is fine it is a noble 0:01:35.950 --> 0:01:37.670 cause whether you agree with it or not i think 0:01:37.690 --> 0:01:41.790 these people come at it with uh uh sincerity. 0:01:41.100 --> 0:01:42.780 I've never thought it was a noble cause if you're 0:01:42.800 --> 0:01:46.140 gonna pour your heart into a cause why this one 0:01:46.620 --> 0:01:49.940 why making sure an axe murderer of a family doesn't 0:01:50.000 --> 0:01:51.280 get snuffed of all the. 0:01:51.320 --> 0:01:54.620 Causes Yeah, I know, because the government shouldn't be empowered 0:01:54.640 --> 0:01:56.270 to kill people. I don't know. Like I said, I 0:01:56.310 --> 0:01:59.450 didn't say I agreed with them. I think they're sincere. Oh, 0:01:59.530 --> 0:02:00.810 I definitely think they're sincere. 0:02:01.170 --> 0:02:01.330 Right. 0:02:01.610 --> 0:02:04.630 So they're not making anything from this, really. Now, the 0:02:04.670 --> 0:02:07.990 attorneys who make it impossible to eliminate the death penalty 0:02:08.010 --> 0:02:10.550 because they're getting rich off of it, even though, for instance, 0:02:10.570 --> 0:02:16.930 California never executes somebody, they're just effing greed heads. Super cynical. Anyway, sorry, 0:02:17.070 --> 0:02:19.590 I get a little passionate on this stuff. But anyway, 0:02:19.710 --> 0:02:22.530 so everybody being quoted on this story is an anti-death 0:02:22.560 --> 0:02:25.300 penalty activist, including the people who've said that this gal 0:02:25.440 --> 0:02:29.620 has probably got brain damage and the rest of it. 0:02:29.800 --> 0:02:34.480 Although I did find 53 interesting, Michael. This is a 0:02:34.520 --> 0:02:36.480 completely unprecedented event. 0:02:36.639 --> 0:02:39.480 Krista Pike is the only person we know of who 0:02:39.560 --> 0:02:44.050 survived the administration of lethal doses of injection drugs. 0:02:45.680 --> 0:02:49.639 Yeah, yeah. Gave it two tries, the old college try. 0:02:50.260 --> 0:02:52.040 Apparently she's claimed life or something. 0:02:52.100 --> 0:02:54.280 They stuck her like seven times or something like that? 0:02:54.340 --> 0:02:55.210 That's what I would hate. 0:02:56.100 --> 0:02:59.210 Oh, boy. Can I get a new phlebotomist? Oh, trust me, 0:02:59.230 --> 0:03:02.190 there's more on that. Stay tuned or don't. I'll go 0:03:02.270 --> 0:03:04.320 easy on that stuff because nobody wants to hear it. 0:03:04.610 --> 0:03:06.280 But give us 52, this from CNN. 0:03:08.389 --> 0:03:15.390 The number of executions by method since 1977, about 1,500 0:03:15.389 --> 0:03:20.570 have been by lethal injection, 163 by electrocution, 19 by gas, 0:03:20.630 --> 0:03:23.910 six by firing squad, three by hanging. 0:03:24.180 --> 0:03:26.320 And what happened to the gas chamber? When we were young, 0:03:26.380 --> 0:03:28.940 that was the big one, wasn't it? No, people gasp 0:03:29.000 --> 0:03:31.260 and they cough and they're afraid and stuff. So that's 0:03:31.300 --> 0:03:33.380 cruel and unusual. Got to get rid of that. Yeah. 0:03:34.000 --> 0:03:34.139 Yeah. 0:03:34.960 --> 0:03:38.880 So the and I mentioned this yesterday, but it's worth 0:03:38.920 --> 0:03:43.310 repeating the reason that the, you know, the conundrum, the 0:03:43.510 --> 0:03:46.530 contrast of Canada versus botching that attempt. The reason that 0:03:46.550 --> 0:03:49.150 happens is because the death penalty opponents have made it 0:03:49.230 --> 0:03:53.150 so difficult to do the stuff that works. They found 0:03:53.190 --> 0:03:56.550 a variety of maneuvers to pressure drug companies or doctors 0:03:56.680 --> 0:04:02.100 or whatever into like forcing the state into alternative methods. 0:04:02.710 --> 0:04:05.550 That aren't as effective or a little more difficult, blah, blah, blah. Anyway, 0:04:06.530 --> 0:04:08.100 leave it to the New York Post. With the goal 0:04:08.440 --> 0:04:10.960 of making it so difficult that we give up on it. 0:04:11.500 --> 0:04:16.690 Making it impracticable, as they say. Exactly, yeah. So leave 0:04:16.700 --> 0:04:19.910 it to the New York Post to write a delightful 0:04:19.950 --> 0:04:23.390 article about the history of botched executions in the United States. 0:04:23.410 --> 0:04:23.839 Oh, oh. 0:04:24.870 --> 0:04:27.330 Krista Pike became the first death row inmate to survive 0:04:27.380 --> 0:04:29.420 a lethal injection, but she was merely the latest in 0:04:29.480 --> 0:04:35.280 a long, gruesome history of botched executions. And yes, friends, yes, I, 0:04:35.720 --> 0:04:40.060 your old Uncle Joe, will exercise some restraint, more restraint 0:04:40.200 --> 0:04:45.130 than the New York Post does in this article. Roughly 3% 0:04:45.130 --> 0:04:49.760 of all U.S. executions in the country between 1890 and 2010, 0:04:49.750 --> 0:04:53.940 that's pretty good sample size, about 3% were botched. Again, 0:04:53.980 --> 0:04:56.640 according to the Death Penalty Information Center that crusade against 0:04:56.680 --> 0:05:00.380 this sort of thing. The highest number at 85 was 0:05:00.460 --> 0:05:06.420 for bungled hangings. I like the term bungled. Maybe it's 0:05:06.600 --> 0:05:06.979 more often. 0:05:07.540 --> 0:05:07.800 Yeah. 0:05:07.980 --> 0:05:11.020 Well, you bungled that. Well, you bungled your homework, son. 0:05:11.060 --> 0:05:15.310 Look at that. Four out of 10, including the legendary 0:05:15.310 --> 0:05:19.280 1901 hanging of outlaw Tom Blackjack Ketchum. whose head popped 0:05:19.380 --> 0:05:22.520 clean off when he dropped because executioners failed to account 0:05:22.820 --> 0:05:24.800 for how fat he had gotten in jail. 0:05:25.339 --> 0:05:27.300 And when we discussed this a little earlier, I don't 0:05:27.360 --> 0:05:29.460 mind my head popping off if I'm executed. Some of 0:05:29.490 --> 0:05:31.690 these stories are going to be gruesome and think, oh, God, 0:05:31.750 --> 0:05:33.969 I can't imagine going through that. But your head popping off, 0:05:35.190 --> 0:05:38.310 you died instantly. It's like when Saddam Hussein's. 0:05:37.950 --> 0:05:39.330 Head popped off when we hung him, right? 0:05:40.470 --> 0:05:41.130 Yes. Yeah. 0:05:41.740 --> 0:05:45.080 And to me, if like part of the professionalization of 0:05:45.140 --> 0:05:48.620 being a hangman is you calculate the weight, the distance 0:05:48.660 --> 0:05:51.420 of the drop, and you say, and, you know, they're 0:05:51.480 --> 0:05:55.200 in the hangman's coat, it said, and it's highly regular 0:05:55.260 --> 0:06:01.220 and sought to be avoided that the executionee, what's the term? Convict, whatever. Scumbag. 0:06:02.140 --> 0:06:04.279 That their head should pop off. And, you know, you 0:06:04.300 --> 0:06:07.260 signed a contract. If the head pops off, you're guilty 0:06:07.279 --> 0:06:10.320 of violating your professional standards. But as a society, I 0:06:10.339 --> 0:06:14.020 don't think it really affects it. To me, that's not botched. No. 0:06:14.200 --> 0:06:19.760 It's unattractive, certainly. But was the job done or wasn't 0:06:19.800 --> 0:06:23.659 it done? I wouldn't take my kids to watch it. Likewise, 0:06:23.779 --> 0:06:25.960 and this is edging closer to the sort of thing 0:06:25.980 --> 0:06:31.260 I'm not comfortable airing, a number of cases involving the 0:06:31.320 --> 0:06:39.570 electric chair. The guilty may or may not have had their... heads, 0:06:39.690 --> 0:06:44.070 what's the expression, burst into flame. Why is that? 0:06:44.110 --> 0:06:45.730 Because it's too hot? I thought you were going to 0:06:45.750 --> 0:06:47.930 go with the slow-cooked. Those are always the ones that 0:06:47.950 --> 0:06:50.370 bother me. It's like you've got a pot roast in 0:06:50.390 --> 0:06:51.630 the crock pot all day long. 0:06:51.890 --> 0:06:52.330 Oh, no. 0:06:52.450 --> 0:06:56.890 Make him stop. What the hell? I'm trying to exercise 0:06:56.910 --> 0:07:01.290 a little restraint over here. No, this is not good. 0:07:01.350 --> 0:07:03.549 Similar to the hanging where your head or your noggin 0:07:03.630 --> 0:07:08.029 comes unattached from your shoulders. I'd rather have my head 0:07:08.070 --> 0:07:11.100 burst into flames than the slow-cook. And Tim's a mistake. 0:07:11.830 --> 0:07:12.130 Oh, yeah. 0:07:12.150 --> 0:07:14.690 Well, if my head is on fire post-mortem, what the 0:07:14.710 --> 0:07:15.970 hell do I care? I'm sorry. 0:07:16.010 --> 0:07:17.930 My wife was running her hair dryer at the same time. 0:07:18.090 --> 0:07:20.130 We just didn't have enough juice. 0:07:20.710 --> 0:07:25.310 My damn kids playing their video games. Oh, my God. Oh, 0:07:25.510 --> 0:07:27.490 I'm not even going to tell you this one. There 0:07:27.610 --> 0:07:31.160 is a litany. Well, it's not a litany. It's a 0:07:31.330 --> 0:07:36.340 small number of truly unfortunate efforts to get lethal injection going. Oh, 0:07:36.360 --> 0:07:40.520 my God. But you can picture the details. What's the 0:07:40.560 --> 0:07:45.790 main problem? you got one instance where somebody didn't hit 0:07:45.870 --> 0:07:49.890 a vein. They hit an artery. Oh, where'd you go 0:07:49.930 --> 0:07:54.290 to school? No kidding. And the second one, and I 0:07:54.330 --> 0:07:56.690 will leave it at this. And I beg you, sir, 0:07:56.880 --> 0:08:01.680 I beg you to join me in my restraint. I 0:08:01.720 --> 0:08:07.420 will credit the medical staff for really sticking with it, 0:08:07.820 --> 0:08:14.309 even though they failed multiple times. Like, Multiple times. Let's 0:08:14.390 --> 0:08:18.390 try again, they said. Over and over again. Like how 0:08:18.410 --> 0:08:28.860 many times? Let's see. They don't give a number. In 0:08:28.900 --> 0:08:31.720 this one case, they tried for 90 minutes. 0:08:31.780 --> 0:08:36.600 Well, like, see, again, how does this happen? I've had 0:08:36.660 --> 0:08:38.720 a lot of medical work done when I was going 0:08:38.740 --> 0:08:40.260 through cancer. I got stuck all the time or stuff 0:08:40.280 --> 0:08:43.960 like that. And I've never had, I think three is 0:08:44.020 --> 0:08:45.260 the max once. 0:08:46.020 --> 0:08:46.900 Usually it's once. 0:08:47.480 --> 0:08:47.660 Yeah. 0:08:47.760 --> 0:08:49.020 Occasionally twice. 0:08:49.520 --> 0:08:49.840 Right. 0:08:49.880 --> 0:08:51.140 Three is extraordinary. 0:08:51.200 --> 0:08:51.420 Yeah. 0:08:51.440 --> 0:08:53.179 And I'm not even sure I've ever even had a three. 0:08:53.460 --> 0:08:55.920 So why do you have all these situations where they 0:08:55.940 --> 0:08:57.300 got to do it for an hour and a half? 0:08:57.340 --> 0:08:59.620 What the hell's going on there? That's what I want 0:08:59.660 --> 0:08:59.880 to know. 0:09:00.320 --> 0:09:00.980 Yeah. Yeah. 0:09:01.000 --> 0:09:01.800 All right. 0:09:01.840 --> 0:09:06.260 Well, moving on from this delightful fair. Ah, it's a 0:09:06.280 --> 0:09:09.199 brand new featurette, but I don't know the name. I 0:09:09.240 --> 0:09:12.540 gave Hanson a little latitude in producing the theme song. 0:09:13.220 --> 0:09:15.970 So right after a word from our friends at Incogni, 0:09:16.400 --> 0:09:20.470 we will introduce our brand new featurette. The good people 0:09:20.510 --> 0:09:23.590 at Incogni, here's what they do. There are at least 0:09:23.590 --> 0:09:26.990 420 or so data brokers out there that have every 0:09:27.090 --> 0:09:29.980 bit of information about you, from where you live, to 0:09:30.020 --> 0:09:31.900 what your kids' names are, to how you vote, to 0:09:32.730 --> 0:09:35.620 how often you're late on credit card payments, right? And 0:09:35.630 --> 0:09:39.160 they sell all that stuff all over the place to 0:09:39.240 --> 0:09:41.579 folks who want to violate your privacy. Incogni goes and 0:09:41.600 --> 0:09:43.460 gets that stuff the hell off those sites. 0:09:43.559 --> 0:09:43.739 Yep. 0:09:43.780 --> 0:09:46.040 Right now, somewhere a stranger is buying a list of 0:09:46.460 --> 0:09:49.280 all of your details, like your name, your phone, your 0:09:49.300 --> 0:09:51.950 home address, your age, your income, your health problems, parts 0:09:51.970 --> 0:09:55.290 of your life, all packaged and sold, sometimes really, really cheap. 0:09:56.690 --> 0:09:59.230 And you can get that off of the data broker 0:09:59.309 --> 0:10:01.320 with the help of Incogni. so that they can't be 0:10:01.360 --> 0:10:02.400 selling this stuff all the. 0:10:02.320 --> 0:10:04.400 Time and then they keep following up so you don't 0:10:04.420 --> 0:10:07.959 get quietly relisted good service go to incogni.com slash armstrong 0:10:08.000 --> 0:10:10.640 for 60 off your private life should never be somebody 0:10:10.679 --> 0:10:15.160 else's prospect list incogni.com slash armstrong they can't harm you 0:10:15.520 --> 0:10:19.310 If they can't find you incogni.com slash Armstrong. All right. Again, 0:10:19.370 --> 0:10:22.270 the actual name of the feature is, is unknown to 0:10:22.290 --> 0:10:39.650 me until I hear this. Jack asses eating their own. Exactly. 0:10:39.890 --> 0:10:40.150 Yeah. 0:10:40.390 --> 0:10:42.930 It's a little longer than I'd picture. Can I hear 0:10:42.950 --> 0:10:57.370 it again, Michael? That's pretty good. Yeah. And it really 0:10:57.410 --> 0:11:01.150 tells you what's in store for you. Indeed. Example number one, 0:11:01.170 --> 0:11:03.730 a Baltimore opera group has. 0:11:03.770 --> 0:11:10.199 Recently, I'm sorry, it is ousted. It's recently hired executive director. 0:11:11.500 --> 0:11:17.079 Just hired her a few days ago. canned her for what? 0:11:18.140 --> 0:11:19.880 She was going to a music festival. 0:11:20.660 --> 0:11:24.260 I'm sorry. She was going to Burning Man. Legendary for what? 0:11:24.320 --> 0:11:28.119 Freaky behavior and dust. And she thought, how do I 0:11:28.179 --> 0:11:31.760 keep my hair from becoming completely clogged with dust? I 0:11:31.800 --> 0:11:35.939 know I'll have it braided tight into cornrows, but that's 0:11:36.100 --> 0:11:43.500 cultural appropriation. She's a white gal. Quote, I believe the circumstance. Oh, oh, 0:11:43.580 --> 0:11:46.920 I'm sorry. That's the wrong quote. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. 0:11:46.960 --> 0:11:50.840 Something cultural appropriation. Ah, regarding a video circulating showing our 0:11:50.880 --> 0:11:54.920 new executive director is white wearing cornrows. That is clearly 0:11:54.980 --> 0:12:00.620 cultural appropriation. Insensitive. You can't give in to white supremacy. Oh, 0:12:00.640 --> 0:12:01.339 my God. 0:12:01.380 --> 0:12:03.460 You can't give in to these people and apologize for 0:12:03.500 --> 0:12:04.860 something as mundane as that. 0:12:05.300 --> 0:12:08.709 Well, she's fired. There's no apologizing to do. She got canned. 0:12:08.770 --> 0:12:12.790 She's a woke jackass being eaten by her own. But 0:12:12.809 --> 0:12:15.610 that's not even my favorite example, although my heart bleeds 0:12:15.650 --> 0:12:19.130 for this poor son of a gun. The Portland, of course, 0:12:19.770 --> 0:12:26.780 trailblazers just hired a new play-by-play guy, Braden Bell. Young man, 0:12:27.540 --> 0:12:31.160 dream job. I know guys in sports. They dream of 0:12:31.220 --> 0:12:34.300 having a major league play-by-play job. Hard to get those jobs. 0:12:34.320 --> 0:12:38.080 There aren't a lot of them. He's 29 years old, okay? 0:12:38.080 --> 0:12:47.849 13 and 14 years ago, he made media posts that 0:12:48.070 --> 0:12:52.550 contained comments about quote-unquote Asian people in a way that 0:12:52.590 --> 0:12:57.510 was insensitive and or used the term slut and whores 0:12:57.870 --> 0:13:01.770 to refer to certain women. When he was 14 and 0:13:01.770 --> 0:13:08.100 15 years old, And the Portlandia Trailblazers have fired him 0:13:08.160 --> 0:13:11.820 before he could start his job. The Portland Trailblazers have 0:13:11.860 --> 0:13:15.679 zero tolerance for racist, sexist, or harmful comments. Social media 0:13:15.700 --> 0:13:18.300 posts made by a recently announced play-by-play broadcaster are in 0:13:18.340 --> 0:13:20.240 clear violation of team and league policies, as well as 0:13:20.280 --> 0:13:22.720 our values and expectations. Therefore, we will not be moving 0:13:22.760 --> 0:13:23.760 forward with this broadcaster. 0:13:24.059 --> 0:13:26.360 Well, we're going to be dealing with this for a while, 0:13:26.380 --> 0:13:27.589 and we're going to have to figure it out as 0:13:27.610 --> 0:13:33.840 a society, because we're soon to have everybody... Who's out 0:13:33.880 --> 0:13:37.660 there in a position of any power whatsoever has a 0:13:37.990 --> 0:13:41.610 social media background going into their early teen years. I mean, 0:13:41.790 --> 0:13:43.030 soon it's everyone. 0:13:44.090 --> 0:13:48.190 And soon the woke crowd, I pray, will be so 0:13:48.850 --> 0:13:53.250 in disrepute, so disliked, so hated because they're all Marxists 0:13:53.640 --> 0:13:58.309 trying to overturn Western civilization. And they're just lusting for power. 0:13:58.370 --> 0:14:00.230 Has nothing to do with what a young man said 0:14:00.250 --> 0:14:03.550 when he was 14 friggin years old. How could it possibly? 0:14:03.570 --> 0:14:06.620 I can't imagine the things I would have to answer 0:14:06.670 --> 0:14:09.360 for if I'd had a Twitter account starting when I 0:14:09.400 --> 0:14:10.960 was like 13. 0:14:10.960 --> 0:14:15.640 And this stuff is innocuous. It's teenage stupidity. You know, 0:14:15.940 --> 0:14:19.470 Portland Trailblazers, you should be ashamed of yourselves. You think 0:14:19.490 --> 0:14:24.730 you're virtuous and you're demonstrating morality? You're demonstrating exactly the opposite. 0:14:25.150 --> 0:14:28.850 Shame on you. Bunch of wokester jackasses eating their own. 0:14:30.000 --> 0:14:33.740 Wokester jackasses eating their own. 0:14:33.760 --> 0:14:38.580 I feel like the theme kind of undermined the tone 0:14:38.620 --> 0:14:40.440 of outrage I was going for. 0:14:42.130 --> 0:14:45.580 Coming up, AI meets with religious leaders. 0:14:45.740 --> 0:14:46.300 Why? 0:14:46.580 --> 0:14:48.200 That's a big story in The New York Times today. 0:14:48.400 --> 0:14:49.020 And other stuff. 0:14:49.040 --> 0:14:49.380 Stay here. 0:14:50.840 --> 0:14:59.500 Armstrong and Getty. The Armstrong and Getty Show. 0:15:02.340 --> 0:15:05.020 The judge in the Lindsay Clancy murder case has denied 0:15:05.070 --> 0:15:07.110 her request to find her not guilty. 0:15:07.630 --> 0:15:09.109 Clancy's defense attorney. 0:15:08.810 --> 0:15:11.830 Had argued earlier this week that there wasn't enough evidence 0:15:11.850 --> 0:15:15.170 to even prove that Clancy had killed her three children. 0:15:15.390 --> 0:15:18.310 The judge today refuting that, saying there was enough evidence. 0:15:18.700 --> 0:15:21.780 The district attorney, though, still has not decided whether or 0:15:21.820 --> 0:15:23.060 not to retry Clancy. 0:15:23.080 --> 0:15:25.900 What do you suppose is going on there? Why haven't 0:15:25.940 --> 0:15:27.360 they made a decision to retry her? 0:15:28.700 --> 0:15:31.080 Oh, they got away a lot of different stuff. It's 0:15:31.100 --> 0:15:35.490 a big decision, given the 11 to 1 jury numbers 0:15:35.640 --> 0:15:40.410 for acquittal. They've got to figure out. They're holding meetings 0:15:40.490 --> 0:15:43.330 of the Brain Trust probably right now saying, all right, 0:15:43.610 --> 0:15:46.010 how do we approach the case differently? What could we 0:15:46.030 --> 0:15:48.980 have done better? Just all sorts of stuff like that. 0:15:49.660 --> 0:15:53.880 Here's one of the most confusing recent stories. They arrest 0:15:54.060 --> 0:15:59.830 five terrorists in Great Britain. who seem to have a 0:15:59.890 --> 0:16:04.360 plot against one of the air bases we're using in 0:16:04.380 --> 0:16:08.080 the war against Iran, then let them go within 24 hours. 0:16:10.640 --> 0:16:13.380 And everybody's wondering what the hell's going on there. Then yesterday, 0:16:14.040 --> 0:16:20.720 British police arrested a 25-year-old dual British-Iranian national in central 0:16:20.800 --> 0:16:27.640 London on suspicion of preparing terrorist acts tied to Sunday's incident. 0:16:28.400 --> 0:16:29.990 Mm-hmm. Two properties were searched. 0:16:30.010 --> 0:16:32.690 However, authorities have not disclosed any findings. This is a 0:16:33.030 --> 0:16:36.090 sixth suspect in the case. The original five men, all 0:16:36.150 --> 0:16:39.690 British nationals from London in their early 20s, were released 0:16:39.750 --> 0:16:42.290 Monday after no explosives were found in their vans, though 0:16:42.340 --> 0:16:47.080 police say the investigation continues. What happened there? Yeah, but 0:16:47.140 --> 0:16:47.960 what's your guess. 0:16:47.800 --> 0:16:50.580 On what happened there? Not enough to go on, but yeah, 0:16:50.880 --> 0:16:54.640 my guess is, I don't, all I have is guesses. 0:16:55.340 --> 0:16:58.240 Well, Marco Rubio said, just to give you background here, 0:16:58.480 --> 0:17:01.700 Marco Rubio said this week the incident clearly involves the 0:17:01.740 --> 0:17:04.440 hands of a foreign actor without naming what country. 0:17:05.440 --> 0:17:09.359 Yeah, my best guess is that these guys are the 0:17:09.420 --> 0:17:12.260 five guys. The sixth guy is clearly the ringleader and 0:17:12.320 --> 0:17:14.960 tied to Iran. So it would seem the five guys, 0:17:15.040 --> 0:17:19.610 the Brits who may or may not be of Islamist 0:17:19.810 --> 0:17:23.540 or Iranian heritage. It could be they were hired to 0:17:23.619 --> 0:17:29.250 do some sort of damage, just as small-time hoods, hooligans, whatever. 0:17:30.050 --> 0:17:33.409 They have no ideology. They were paid to cut a 0:17:33.450 --> 0:17:36.210 hole in the fence and bust up the runway for 0:17:36.390 --> 0:17:40.050 an exorbitant amount of money. And then when they got busted, 0:17:40.070 --> 0:17:42.649 they're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. We're not terrorists. 0:17:42.710 --> 0:17:45.970 We're criminals. They just hired us to bust up this runway. 0:17:46.080 --> 0:17:50.719 I don't know why. They paid us $ 1, 500 each. And 0:17:50.780 --> 0:17:53.280 the authorities were like, all right, these jackasses aren't terrorists. 0:17:53.300 --> 0:17:56.199 They were just hired to do goon things because the 0:17:56.240 --> 0:17:59.199 Iranians are famous for doing that. They want somebody beat up. 0:17:59.640 --> 0:18:03.270 They'll just hire local goons to do their work. The 0:18:03.310 --> 0:18:05.669 goon has no ideology. He just knows he's supposed to 0:18:05.710 --> 0:18:07.090 go to this place and beat this guy up. 0:18:07.490 --> 0:18:12.730 So the fact that they arrested an actual Iranian yesterday, 0:18:13.990 --> 0:18:14.750 that's interesting. 0:18:15.490 --> 0:18:16.940 Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's significant. 0:18:17.470 --> 0:18:20.280 We are going to find out probably soon what this 0:18:20.340 --> 0:18:21.300 whole story is about. 0:18:21.320 --> 0:18:22.000 Yeah. 0:18:22.119 --> 0:18:23.659 And if they need a little while to sort it out, 0:18:23.700 --> 0:18:24.100 that's fine. 0:18:24.420 --> 0:18:28.670 Does AI need religion? Anthropic apparently thinks so. 0:18:28.869 --> 0:18:29.290 Stay tuned. 0:18:31.150 --> 0:18:38.540 Armstrong and Getty. The Armstrong and Getty Show. 0:18:41.359 --> 0:18:43.830 What we found was quite damaging and worrying. 0:18:44.160 --> 0:18:47.850 The researcher who exposed this AI jailbreak found a popular 0:18:47.890 --> 0:18:52.190 Chinese AI model instructing people how to build biological weapons 0:18:52.650 --> 0:18:54.370 and carry out assassinations. 0:18:54.910 --> 0:18:58.320 It could plan terrorist attacks using real weapons. 0:18:58.750 --> 0:19:01.330 Time data of, like, subway trains and timings. 0:19:01.570 --> 0:19:05.270 He tells Fox News Moonshot AI's Kimi model also produced 0:19:05.410 --> 0:19:10.909 how-to manuals for creating sarin gas, malware software, and taking 0:19:10.950 --> 0:19:11.770 down planes. 0:19:11.990 --> 0:19:14.119 We're about to tell you a story about our AI 0:19:14.200 --> 0:19:16.300 over here on this side of the planet, but who 0:19:16.340 --> 0:19:18.700 knows what China's AI is up to or what they're 0:19:18.720 --> 0:19:20.120 even trying to get it to do. 0:19:21.160 --> 0:19:24.960 At least we have difficult ethical conversations. 0:19:25.040 --> 0:19:25.320 Right. 0:19:27.430 --> 0:19:29.210 This is the headline from the New York Times today. 0:19:29.230 --> 0:19:34.190 This is a very long, well-researched article with lots of interviews. 0:19:34.690 --> 0:19:38.590 Religious scholars met with Anthropic. What they heard stunned them. 0:19:39.430 --> 0:19:42.280 In a series of private meetings, the company consulted religious 0:19:42.320 --> 0:19:46.399 scholars to help instill morality into its AI models and 0:19:46.440 --> 0:19:50.540 makes the case that Claude could be conscious. there's so 0:19:50.560 --> 0:19:53.500 much disturbing stuff in this so this has been going 0:19:53.600 --> 0:19:57.460 on for quite a while um and the uh the 0:19:57.480 --> 0:20:02.760 people that Anthropic, which is about to launch their IPO. 0:20:02.980 --> 0:20:06.020 And the guesses are it'll be around two trillion dollars, 0:20:06.640 --> 0:20:11.040 making it easily the most valuable IPO that's ever existed. 0:20:11.640 --> 0:20:15.330 The company has been around for five years. I mean, 0:20:15.369 --> 0:20:18.850 that's the world is so weird. How could a company 0:20:18.869 --> 0:20:21.830 started five years ago have a. 0:20:21.910 --> 0:20:26.730 Two trillion dollar IPO? Especially given, number one, very few 0:20:26.750 --> 0:20:30.020 of these companies is making any money, any significant money. 0:20:30.060 --> 0:20:32.860 They're all bleeding spectacular amounts of money. And the Wall 0:20:32.900 --> 0:20:37.820 Street Journal just estimated that for these companies to become profitable, 0:20:38.540 --> 0:20:43.679 given everything they've spent so far, 9% of the GDP 0:20:44.080 --> 0:20:46.660 going forward would have to be spent on their services. 0:20:47.040 --> 0:20:49.680 And that's roughly the same amount as Americans spend on food. 0:20:51.150 --> 0:20:51.310 Wow. 0:20:52.590 --> 0:20:55.790 So Anthropic has been talking to these religious scholars for 0:20:55.850 --> 0:20:59.150 quite some time. We're just finding out because they made 0:20:59.190 --> 0:21:03.810 them all sign NDAs, non-disclosure agreements. Like it's, you know, 0:21:03.830 --> 0:21:06.630 a girl dating a basketball player or something like that. 0:21:07.100 --> 0:21:10.740 Anthropic meeting with various rabbis and priests and that sort 0:21:10.780 --> 0:21:14.200 of thing. Mostly in the Bay Area, but around the world. 0:21:14.540 --> 0:21:18.300 Christopher Ola, he's one of Anthropic's billionaire co-founders. Not near 0:21:18.340 --> 0:21:22.250 as famous, obviously, as Dario Ombuday. 0:21:23.010 --> 0:21:23.570 A Modi. 0:21:24.590 --> 0:21:26.189 He's the he's the guy you see on TV. The 0:21:26.230 --> 0:21:28.030 old time was talking to Trump the other day. But 0:21:28.290 --> 0:21:31.630 one of the other co-founders, also a billionaire, this Christopher Ola, 0:21:31.710 --> 0:21:37.100 he's heading up the whole morality part of Claude. He 0:21:37.119 --> 0:21:41.500 was talking to this rabbi who's an Orthodox scholar from Israel. 0:21:42.590 --> 0:21:45.210 And these are interviews now with the rabbi and the 0:21:45.250 --> 0:21:47.629 other people because the NDAs were dropped, I guess. So 0:21:47.650 --> 0:21:49.550 they got around them somehow, or I'm not exactly sure 0:21:49.570 --> 0:21:53.420 what happened there. But inevitably, the conversation turned to another 0:21:53.480 --> 0:21:57.480 thinker of sort, Claude, the family of cutting-edge AI models 0:21:57.560 --> 0:21:58.940 created by Anthropic. 0:22:02.619 --> 0:22:02.879 Mr. 0:22:03.020 --> 0:22:07.180 Ola, leading the Anthropic team responsible for understanding why AI 0:22:07.260 --> 0:22:11.710 systems like Claude act the way they do. Find that 0:22:11.750 --> 0:22:14.650 troubling on its own? That some of the top guys 0:22:14.690 --> 0:22:18.370 at these companies are still studying? Why is it doing this? 0:22:18.750 --> 0:22:21.800 We don't really know. All day long, he had worked 0:22:21.820 --> 0:22:25.320 to convince his guests that AI models could display human 0:22:25.380 --> 0:22:29.320 behavior and even expressions that resemble feelings like anger and love. 0:22:30.980 --> 0:22:33.530 Ola obviously does believe that and was trying to convince 0:22:33.570 --> 0:22:34.890 the religious scholars of this. 0:22:35.770 --> 0:22:38.270 We're into Crazy Town, by the way. Look around. I 0:22:38.350 --> 0:22:41.109 think we passed the city limits. That's right. Here we are. 0:22:41.150 --> 0:22:41.430 We are. 0:22:41.530 --> 0:22:44.830 If you're not paying attention or something like that and 0:22:44.850 --> 0:22:47.129 you think, what are you talking about? No, we are 0:22:47.190 --> 0:22:51.409 into Crazyville already on this. As the dinner courses came 0:22:51.470 --> 0:22:53.470 at this meeting with the rabbi and a few other 0:22:53.520 --> 0:22:56.159 religious scholars, the rabbi noticed that Mr. Ola and his 0:22:56.240 --> 0:23:00.440 colleagues were suggesting something very significant. Anthropics leaders were talking 0:23:00.480 --> 0:23:03.710 about Claude as if it were not mere software. They're 0:23:03.730 --> 0:23:07.380 relating to it like a conscious being, realized the rabbi, 0:23:08.000 --> 0:23:08.720 who's a former. 0:23:08.520 --> 0:23:11.680 Computer engineer himself. Interesting, and became a rabbi. 0:23:12.260 --> 0:23:14.800 It appeared to Rabbi Navone that Mr. Ola and his 0:23:14.840 --> 0:23:18.960 team believed that Claude had what philosophers call moral status 0:23:19.590 --> 0:23:20.950 on par with a person. 0:23:21.490 --> 0:23:21.650