1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:05,360 Speaker 1: It's the Ray Appleton Podcast from KMJ and KMJ now 2 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:08,680 Speaker 1: dot com. 3 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 2: Introducing a voice you know he's here all often, especially 4 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:13,400 Speaker 2: when I go down. Clint Olivier's had a career as 5 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:16,279 Speaker 2: a For a long time. He was a he was 6 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:19,640 Speaker 2: a broadcast around television doing the news, and then he 7 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:22,920 Speaker 2: went into public service where he serves locally and statewide, 8 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:25,639 Speaker 2: and and and now he god only knows what he 9 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 2: does well, files lawsuits and writes articles. 10 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: How does that sound. It's pretty good. You miss TV 11 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:33,200 Speaker 1: at all, you know, I do? 12 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 3: And and I miss I miss not being on the ground, 13 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:40,839 Speaker 3: and you were talking about the Alex pretty thing. I 14 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 3: miss not being on the ground when stuff's going down. 15 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:48,560 Speaker 3: I miss that. I also miss the camaraderie in the newsroom. 16 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:51,880 Speaker 3: You get back to the newsroom. You know, even even 17 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 3: before you go out, you're having conversations about the news 18 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:58,280 Speaker 3: of the day, and and you're you're you're talking about 19 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 3: what's going on in the community and nationally and internationally 20 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 3: with with bright, intelligent people of all different excuse me, 21 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 3: all different backgrounds. I miss that. I miss the camaraderie. 22 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:12,200 Speaker 3: I see Liz Kern dancing around in the newsroom in 23 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:14,960 Speaker 3: there she knows it. She's addicted to it and it 24 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:20,399 Speaker 3: is addicting. But you know, I moved on to something else. 25 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 3: But yeah, that was a good question. Ray, you're a 26 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:24,040 Speaker 3: good interviewer forgets what you said. 27 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 2: But that'd be a great name for your book. You know, 28 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 2: I miss what's going down when my feet are on 29 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:28,039 Speaker 2: the ground. 30 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 1: Whatever. The memoir of a of a Central Valley journalist. Anyway, Clint, 31 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:35,319 Speaker 1: welcome to It's good to have you on that side. 32 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 1: Thank you. You have filed a lawsuit with your group. 33 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 1: Tell me who the group is again. 34 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 3: Well, we we at biz FED. So you you ask 35 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:45,319 Speaker 3: what I'm doing, I'm still over. I'm a president and 36 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 3: CEO of Central Valley Business Federation and our board voted 37 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 3: to join this coalition, a coalition for property rights. Coalition 38 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 3: for Property Rights has taken up the cause of narrow 39 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 3: It's got to you gotta bear with me. Narrows a 40 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 3: national association of royalty owners. And if you're listening down 41 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 3: in Current County right now, you're out in button Willow 42 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 3: and you're listening to Ray Appleton, you know you know 43 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 3: you haven't heard that in a while, right, No, you 44 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 3: know exactly what I'm talking about. Royalty owners are people 45 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 3: who own the mineral rights to peace of land. And 46 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:25,080 Speaker 3: these folks are mom and pops. These are your your retirees. 47 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 3: These are folks who may have an oil well or 48 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:32,080 Speaker 3: two in their portfolio, not producing tens of thousands of 49 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 3: barrels of oil, but they produce some and they use 50 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 3: it for retirement, or they use it for their household budget, 51 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 3: or they save it. They spend it the way they 52 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:43,800 Speaker 3: see fit. Sure, and we've had these royalty people watching land. 53 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 4: Man. 54 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 1: You know, this is kind of oh what is right? 55 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 3: People are talking about this, and people are becoming well 56 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 3: versed in the whole oil thing and how oil got started. 57 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:58,360 Speaker 3: We have a robust oil industry here in California, and 58 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 3: I'm here to talk about how this date is continuing 59 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 3: it's assault on oil and how biz fed Central Valley 60 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 3: business leaders are getting together, joining this coalition to try 61 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 3: and alleviate some of the pressure on these moms and 62 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 3: pops that own these what they call royalty rights, the 63 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:17,799 Speaker 3: mineral rights to this land. 64 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:22,679 Speaker 2: What what what? 65 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:21,959 Speaker 4: What? 66 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:25,359 Speaker 2: What's being done wrong to these people? How are they 67 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:28,240 Speaker 2: being wronged? We'll start there well and and and you know, 68 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 2: from the center and move outward. 69 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:33,359 Speaker 3: Okay, this is it's it's obviously the blame for this 70 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 3: can be laid at the feet of the folks up 71 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 3: in Sacramento, the sane, forward thinking people who govern us 72 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 3: up in Sacramento. 73 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 2: This isn't one of those Oh my god, these mom 74 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 2: and pops are making money, we got to steal their property. 75 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 1: No, those, No, this is oh my god. 76 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 3: Some people are are making money and making everybody sick 77 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 3: because because there are oil wells. 78 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 1: Oh, okay, I'll start. 79 00:03:57,600 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, you see where I'm going with it. So I'll 80 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 3: start with this. Let's talk about. 81 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 2: By the way, it was just your coffee. 82 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 1: R mind that one's for you. I got a water. 83 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 2: Okay, very good, let's continue. 84 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 3: So basically, we have in our Constitution in the United 85 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 3: States of America something that really puzzles me why they 86 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:17,839 Speaker 3: put it in there, But it's in there, and it's 87 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 3: eminent domain where the government can take your private property, 88 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 3: supposed to be for some exigent need, some emergency needs. 89 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 1: Something. 90 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 3: You know, we're putting a freeway through, we're building the 91 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 3: forty one, or we're putting a military base here, whatever 92 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 3: it is. I'm not a big fan of it, but 93 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 3: I suppose depending on who you're talking to. 94 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 1: They say, well, a case can. 95 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:42,720 Speaker 3: Be made that we need to put a freeway here, 96 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:46,280 Speaker 3: and so that's why that's that's why the eminent domain 97 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 3: is in there in case the public in quotes needs 98 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 3: your private property. So let's pretend that you have a house. 99 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:57,840 Speaker 3: Government says we need your house. They pass eminent domain, 100 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 3: they compensate you for the house, and you got to 101 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:03,480 Speaker 3: get out and they plow it over. Okay, let's say 102 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:06,719 Speaker 3: that the government says, huh, we don't really like that 103 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:09,800 Speaker 3: you have that house, so we're going to pass a 104 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 3: series of regulations on you. You can't use the bedroom, 105 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:15,599 Speaker 3: you can't use the kitchen, you can't use the pool, 106 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:19,839 Speaker 3: you can't use the yard, you can't use the front door. Well, 107 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 3: they've effectively taken your house by eminent domain. They've created 108 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 3: a regulatory taking and folks, this is going on out there. 109 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:33,039 Speaker 3: You're at work, you're at home, you're doing your thing, 110 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:35,160 Speaker 3: you're on your way. Gosh, I'm late to pick up 111 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 3: my kids at daycare. There are people in Sacramento and Washington, 112 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:43,039 Speaker 3: d c. Trying to figure out a way to get 113 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 3: money out of you, to subvert you, to screw you, 114 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 3: I mean, whatever it is for the greater good, for 115 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 3: the common good, and that's what this is about. So 116 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:56,919 Speaker 3: Sacramento in the Senate they pass this law SB eleven 117 00:05:57,040 --> 00:06:00,920 Speaker 3: thirty seven back in twenty twenty two and went into effect. 118 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:06,359 Speaker 3: And so what it does. It pertains to these mom 119 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 3: and pops here in California, these onesie and twosy and 120 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:15,840 Speaker 3: half a dozen people who opened mineral rights. Then they 121 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 3: lease it out to an oil company. Say I've got this, 122 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 3: you know, come and explore it. Oh, guess what, there's 123 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:23,599 Speaker 3: oil in your backyard or wherever it happens to be 124 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:26,359 Speaker 3: out in the country. They sink a well and it 125 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:30,600 Speaker 3: starts to produce. Well, what this lass said was, if 126 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 3: there's a sensitive receptor, if there's a school or a 127 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 3: park or something within three thousand, two hundred feet that 128 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 3: was almost whatever three quarters of a mile from your oil, well. 129 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 1: They're going to regulate you. And it's death by a 130 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:50,479 Speaker 1: thousand cuts. 131 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 3: Man. 132 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:53,039 Speaker 1: Listen to this ray. 133 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:58,720 Speaker 3: The facilities requires operators within a production facility or well 134 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 3: to develop a leak detection system for certain chemicals and 135 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 3: detailed response plan. The law requires the Air Resources Board 136 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 3: and State Water Board to adopt performance standards. The facilities 137 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 3: are also required to post contact information, limit sound levels, 138 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 3: limit light generation. Institute does prevention measures buyed by vehicle 139 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 3: speed limits, comply with our district requirements, submit a chemical announce. 140 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 1: This is what by one thousand cuts, five thousand. 141 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 3: Cuts, which effectively regulates these people people, men and women 142 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 3: and families and kids, regulates them out of business. 143 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 2: And out of their sanity. And oh my gosh, and 144 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 2: so what I wanted to state expecting just for them 145 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 2: to surrender the properties. And you've bugged us too much. 146 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 2: We can't handle this anymore. 147 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 1: Take it? Or do they try to sell it or what? No, 148 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 1: they it just makes it useless. They can you can 149 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 1: still own it. It just makes it useless because you 150 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 1: can't develop. 151 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 3: It because you can't you can't get mineral rights out 152 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 3: of it. And so there and so here's the good news, 153 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 3: you know, cue the happy music. 154 00:07:58,520 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 1: There is. 155 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 3: There is good news because the Pacific Legal Folation has 156 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:08,679 Speaker 3: taken the case of these folks, these royalty owners. 157 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 1: So right there, we joined the coalition and now there 158 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 1: may be some relief. 159 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 2: Okay, that's a good legal group. They've been on the 160 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 2: program many many times. Alrighty kids, Clint Olibier is here 161 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 2: and his group issuing the State of California over this 162 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 2: amazing story that he's told us about how people have 163 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 2: some oil rights on their property and that maybe is 164 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:32,679 Speaker 2: producing some some revenue and the state has made it 165 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:34,960 Speaker 2: so hard for them to even do anything. It's like 166 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 2: you said earlier, death by a thousand cuts, you know, 167 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 2: and it's just typical to the state. Whether you know 168 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 2: the whole story or not, if you're just tuning in, 169 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 2: you know that this is just made for the State 170 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 2: of California to screw around with and make life miserable 171 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 2: for that, you know, mom and pop family who's got 172 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 2: maybe a little bit of income coming in from this 173 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 2: this oil you know, related property. You know, the state 174 00:08:57,720 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 2: is not going to hang there and let that alone. 175 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:00,680 Speaker 1: No way. Yeah. 176 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 3: But ray global warming climate emergency, uh huh. 177 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 1: Yeah. Meanwhile, China built a coal plant yesterday. 178 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 2: All of that another is being disproven. How al Gore 179 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:15,440 Speaker 2: just lost out on every point that he made in 180 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 2: his book and his movie twenty five Years. None of 181 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 2: that happened, none. 182 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 1: Zero. 183 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:25,199 Speaker 2: We've got a caller on something non related sort of 184 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 2: kind of to what we're talking about. It's ab forty 185 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 2: twenty one vehicle road usage charges and the Technical Advisory Committee. 186 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 2: I don't want to get too far off of this 187 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:37,440 Speaker 2: issue that Clint is talking about. We'll take this one 188 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:40,720 Speaker 2: call on non related issues and then we'll stay close 189 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 2: to the issue. Patrick, go ahead. This is AB fourteen 190 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 2: to twenty one. Go ahead, sir. 191 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 5: Yeah. I was just gonna add it, you know, just 192 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 5: to tie into the oil and the death five thousand 193 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 5: cuts in this state. You know, this one's sliding under 194 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 5: the radar being voted on today and just just another 195 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 5: just another money grab, just another Hey, we're gonna impose 196 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 5: our will on you and people in the state need 197 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 5: to wake up because this this is gonna destroy us. 198 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 5: It's gonna I mean, this is the line in the 199 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 5: sand for my wife and I We're like, dude, this passes, 200 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 5: We're out. 201 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:20,560 Speaker 1: Well what is this? You explained it very quickly. 202 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 5: It's a It's a mileage tax based on the miles 203 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 5: you drive on your car. Well, I commute. I commute 204 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 5: to San Francisco for one job and to Riverside for another, 205 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 5: and hanfor it's my halfway point. M So at that 206 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 5: point we're gonna have to say, hey, we're out and 207 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 5: and just this is kind of a tie in. I 208 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:51,440 Speaker 5: appreciate you taking my call. I'm go alad you're doing 209 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 5: the work that you're doing. 210 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 3: God bless you Patrick. You You've made my entire week. 211 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 3: And thank you for calling. And I I got to 212 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 3: tell you that, Yeah, it's relevant. Sure, Uh they want 213 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 3: to put in a mileage tax for us to drive, 214 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 3: But does that mean that they're going to repeal the 215 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:12,720 Speaker 3: gas gasoline taxes highest in the nation. No, it's just 216 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 3: more and and it's it's related because I said it 217 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 3: in the last segment and I really say it all 218 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 3: the time, kind of a broken record that while we're 219 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 3: just trying to get through life, we're just trying to 220 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 3: make it. Everything's expensive. They inflate the money supply and 221 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 3: it's it's killing all of us. Yet there are still 222 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 3: people in suits in Sacramento and Washington, and they're so 223 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 3: well meaning, save the planet. Let's devise new ways to 224 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 3: screw with people. And this thing I'm talking about, this 225 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 3: taking of the of the mineral rights basically by by 226 00:11:56,480 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 3: regulate regulation, making this property useless simply by burdening them 227 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:05,679 Speaker 3: with regulations. So Pacific Legal Foundation says we're taking this up. 228 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 3: We're going to assue them, and we're going to put 229 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 3: a stop to it because ultimately, yeah, not only these 230 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:13,440 Speaker 3: families are burdened by it, but what you know, the 231 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:15,440 Speaker 3: fuel prices go up because they got to truck it 232 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:18,000 Speaker 3: in and ship it in from other states and other countries. 233 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 3: I mean, it's got to come from somewhere. California runs 234 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:23,719 Speaker 3: on oil. But the people in Sacramento don't seem to 235 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:27,320 Speaker 3: understand that. We're sick of getting squeezed big time. 236 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:29,839 Speaker 2: No wonder you know that people are leaving now on 237 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:33,200 Speaker 2: what it is that you're working on. Have you ever 238 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:36,319 Speaker 2: prevailed on any of these situations where the state is 239 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:39,200 Speaker 2: trying to take this property or make it unusable for 240 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:41,079 Speaker 2: these mom and pops that are trying to take a 241 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 2: little bit of income, you know, out of Mother Earth 242 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:49,080 Speaker 2: with this this oil stuff. Has there been any victory 243 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 2: on one side or the other or is this so 244 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:54,319 Speaker 2: new nothing is really faced off in a courtroom setting. 245 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 1: Yet. 246 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:59,680 Speaker 3: Well, we take positions on we take positions on a 247 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 3: hope of issues, and we have about a sixty percent 248 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:08,840 Speaker 3: success rate fighting these things, not necessarily in the legal realm, 249 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 3: but fighting them legislatively. We do state we do local, 250 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:15,320 Speaker 3: we've even done some federal We got about a sixty 251 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:19,840 Speaker 3: percent success rate. But what our board did, the Central 252 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 3: Valley Business Federation Board, they joined this property rights coalition 253 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:30,720 Speaker 3: who brought in the Pacific Legal Foundation to combat this 254 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 3: in the courts. Sometimes that's what it takes. If there's 255 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:39,440 Speaker 3: no remedy at the ballot box, then this is the 256 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 3: way we go. And so I'm really happy to be 257 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:45,200 Speaker 3: involved in this. Our members, you know, it took me 258 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 3: off the leash and here I am with you. I 259 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 3: have an op ed in the Sama King Valley Sun 260 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 3: today that you can find on my Facebook page or 261 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 3: just go to the Sun, and we're going to fight. 262 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:59,320 Speaker 3: You know, obviously the court of public opinion not necessarily 263 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:03,839 Speaker 3: going to be relevant with this particular issue. But you 264 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 3: got to know, Ray and your listeners, I know or 265 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:11,239 Speaker 3: are not necessarily hyper fixated, but you have an intelligent 266 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 3: audience where people know what's going on. 267 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:14,440 Speaker 1: It's just why I came to you. 268 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:16,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're not necessarily dealing with this on a one 269 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:18,959 Speaker 2: on one basis. No, you're trying to get this taken 270 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 2: care of universally, get off the books in the state 271 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 2: of California. So yeah, I mean individual cases that don't 272 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 2: really fly here because that's up to the legal foundation 273 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 2: to take on the individuals. 274 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 3: And we feel lucky that they did that. They took 275 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 3: this on because they've got finite resources. 276 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 1: Very good. 277 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 2: Whose brainchild was this? Who you know who decided to 278 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 2: go after these people? Is that the responsibility of any 279 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 2: one person? 280 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 3: No can like Gavin Newsom or Scott Wiener type of person. 281 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 3: I don't know who's to blame, but whoever it is 282 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 3: should be voted out. I can say that safely. 283 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 2: It's it's so amazing how the state of California just 284 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 2: does not want, you know, success at any level when 285 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 2: it comes to a California family. They just can't have that. 286 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 2: Rather than you know, they need the money, they got 287 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 2: to take the money. This is our state, it's not 288 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 2: your state, and whatever it is you're doing, screw you. 289 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 2: We're gonna we're gonna do this our way. 290 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 3: Well, every few years they I mean, I know you 291 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 3: have John Coopaul from Howard Jarvis on here, and I 292 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 3: you know, every few years they they come up with 293 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 3: the uh, they try to rehash the split roll tax 294 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 3: where they want to split commercial and business property off 295 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 3: of prop thirteen. Dan, They're they're gonna do the in 296 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 3: the wealth tax this year. You see Tom Steyer all 297 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 3: over Facebook and and uh and x oh, these billionaires 298 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 3: need to pay more. What these folks don't understand is 299 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 3: that we could wipe out and take the assets, steal 300 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 3: the assets of every billionaire in the United States, and 301 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 3: that would fund the government for what three weeks a month. 302 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 3: It's it's it's a it's economic ignorance. I've seen things 303 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 3: they say, Oh, well, you know, Clint, you're you're shilling 304 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 3: for billionaires and you're a useful idiot for billionaires. No, 305 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 3: I'm not a useful idiot for anyone. But I will 306 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 3: say that we need billionaires, and we need these folks 307 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 3: because they they they're creative, because they innovate. Yes, the 308 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 3: market has rewarded them for their creativity, their innovation, I 309 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 3: mean whatever. Maybe some of them have been cutthroat, maybe 310 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 3: some of them, you know, have have their individual issues. 311 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 3: But we need, uh, the these capitalists in society to 312 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 3: help us drive things. Yes, if you're on a on 313 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 3: a combine right now, you're just as important as the billionaire. 314 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 3: You're driving things, you're making things happen. Three weeks without 315 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 3: without food, and we die. So that if they stop 316 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 3: the trucks, we all die. I mean, everybody is essential. 317 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 3: Everyone's essential, including the the people who own these mineral 318 00:16:56,520 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 3: rights who are dealing with this situation. That money that 319 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:04,920 Speaker 3: that goes back into the economy, and and Sacramento can't 320 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 3: keep stifling these economic activities and then expect things to 321 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 3: go on as normal. 322 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:12,240 Speaker 1: No, people are squeezed. 323 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:13,919 Speaker 2: Let me do this really quick, and then we have 324 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:15,720 Speaker 2: to say goodbye to you. And this is on the 325 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:18,680 Speaker 2: mileage tax again, Wayne, go ahead, very quickly. 326 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 4: Go Yeah, I'm start I heard you talking about this 327 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:26,880 Speaker 4: mileage tax they want to put on. I'm curious. I'm 328 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 4: a ride scare driver. You're lifting uber, what's that going 329 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 4: to do to us? 330 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:36,200 Speaker 1: Screw you? I mean, it's not funny. Sorry I laughed. 331 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 4: Oh but it's true. I mean, you know, unless we 332 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:42,959 Speaker 4: are exempt women as well, just forget about doing this 333 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:45,639 Speaker 4: and trying to make extra money. I'm retired, But you 334 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 4: know that's not the point, you know. 335 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's I think it would probably put 336 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:52,159 Speaker 2: you in a position where you would either have to 337 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 2: share or you would not be able to do. Uh. 338 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:58,159 Speaker 2: That's that's a sector that the state of California has 339 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:01,159 Speaker 2: been trying to go after for whatever reason. And it's 340 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:04,919 Speaker 2: very sad because it's finally something that's very helpful to 341 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 2: somebody like me who's a DoorDash junkie. I mean, you know, 342 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 2: and I wouldn't eat otherwise if you guys didn't bring 343 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:13,160 Speaker 2: me food, I'd be in big trouble. 344 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 4: That's true. But with us, I mean, we're liable for everything. Now, 345 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 4: we're liable for you know, it's our car, our mileage. 346 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 4: We got to pay our own taxes, by own gas. 347 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 4: We have to do it all and now they want 348 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 4: to charge your road tax. 349 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 2: All right, I gotta let you go because I got 350 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 2: to hit news here. I'm falling behind me. 351 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:39,200 Speaker 1: All right, take care, Ray, let me give a call 352 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:40,400 Speaker 1: to action before you go. 353 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:43,160 Speaker 2: Well, you can stay for a little bit longer because 354 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:44,679 Speaker 2: we haven't done any of that yet, and we have 355 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:47,880 Speaker 2: to make it. People ask me why DoorDash all the time? 356 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 2: And the problem is when I go anywhere to do anything, 357 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 2: that's gotten to the point it's like, and this is nice, 358 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:56,359 Speaker 2: this is very nice, but it's hey, Ray Appleton, you 359 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:58,399 Speaker 2: got a minute. Remember that show you did back in 360 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 2: nineteen ninety two, Like I'm trying to buy a burger here. Yeah, 361 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:07,160 Speaker 2: I'm just like, yeah, So that's why I have, you know, groceries, 362 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:10,439 Speaker 2: everything delivered very nice. I mean, I love it if 363 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 2: I'm just screwing around and you know, not trying to 364 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 2: do something, it's functional like survive. I I'll sit there 365 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 2: and talk to you for two hours out in public. Hey, kids, 366 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:22,280 Speaker 2: we have just been informed that at Willow and Knees 367 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:26,240 Speaker 2: you got this, Willow and Knees, there is a very 368 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:30,520 Speaker 2: heavy police action going on right now. The nature of which, 369 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 2: the why we don't know, and we're trying to find out. 370 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:37,199 Speaker 2: We've got to multiple calls into the police department and 371 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 2: the authorities just to say, why in the what in 372 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 2: the heck is going on? So Willow and Knees avoid 373 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:45,919 Speaker 2: this area please, and we'll make as soon as we 374 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:49,239 Speaker 2: find out the nature of the issue, we will let 375 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:51,600 Speaker 2: you know. But it's big, and it's bad and it's ugly. 376 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 2: Willow and Knees, just stay away, thank you very much. 377 00:19:55,520 --> 00:20:00,680 Speaker 2: I've asked Clint to remain on this issue of private 378 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:04,639 Speaker 2: property owners like you, who may have a small level 379 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 2: of revenue bearing oil activity going on on that property. 380 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:12,960 Speaker 2: And the state might be trying to make sure that 381 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:16,080 Speaker 2: you damn well do not get rich by any way, 382 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 2: shape or form on this property. And if people have 383 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 2: specifics to this maybe want to get involved with the lawsuits, 384 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 2: who do they need to contact? 385 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 3: Well, it's a it's a website. It's easy to remember. 386 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 3: It's fight for Property Rights dot com. Fight for Property 387 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 3: Rights dot com and that's being put forward by the 388 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:43,400 Speaker 3: Narrow California Narrow. It's a national association of royalty owners 389 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 3: these bombs and pops Fight for Property Rights dot Com. 390 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 3: And the first button on that website is join the coalition. 391 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 3: So that's where you can go to get information on that. 392 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:54,760 Speaker 3: But I mean, in terms of when are we gonna 393 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 3: you know, when am I going to be back in 394 00:20:56,880 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 3: here to report that we won and that the state 395 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:05,280 Speaker 3: was thwarted in their attempt to basically take this property, 396 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 3: I don't know. 397 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:08,920 Speaker 1: It just got filed yesterday. 398 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 3: I was up in Sacramento with them, and they the 399 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:13,880 Speaker 3: Pacific Legal Foundation. 400 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 1: They do good work. They took this case. They're going 401 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 1: to see it through. 402 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:19,719 Speaker 3: But I mean, I don't know what's the timeline on 403 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:23,360 Speaker 3: something like this months years, But I'll be back ray 404 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 3: and hope I'll be back, hopefully have some good news 405 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:27,399 Speaker 3: to report to you. 406 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 2: It's really amazing what's going on in the state of 407 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:31,440 Speaker 2: California right now. 408 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 1: It's just like. 409 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:36,200 Speaker 2: It just never ends, never ends, and will it end, 410 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 2: you know, with the next election if indeed we might 411 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 2: have a Republican governor. It looks like through every indication, 412 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:46,160 Speaker 2: if the election were held today, it would be kind 413 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:48,399 Speaker 2: of a safe bet that Steve Hilton would be the governor. 414 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:53,240 Speaker 2: Looking at the polls and the polls in terms of 415 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:56,119 Speaker 2: putting them all together and looking at the averages and 416 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:58,480 Speaker 2: all that, he's in there, which I never would have 417 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 2: thought in the beginning he had a chance. 418 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:03,280 Speaker 1: Well, if he's in there, you've got a cabinet post, right. 419 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:05,360 Speaker 2: Right, yeah, right, what are you going to be saying 420 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 2: at age seventy five. I don't think, you know, the 421 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:09,679 Speaker 2: cabinet Secretary of Aging. 422 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:13,359 Speaker 1: Perhaps I was thinking the Department of It sucks, Secretary 423 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:14,680 Speaker 1: of bass guitarists. 424 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we're so we're we're so much needed, you know. 425 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 1: Yeah. 426 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 2: But it's amazing too. He's got that beard now and 427 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:26,359 Speaker 2: he's looking all very official and all that, and the 428 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:28,359 Speaker 2: reports on the beard because a lot of you people 429 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:31,399 Speaker 2: ask when you see pictures is in the beginning, his 430 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:34,359 Speaker 2: wife and kids didn't like it, didn't like it, didn't 431 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:36,159 Speaker 2: like it. So he went to shave it off the 432 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:37,880 Speaker 2: other day and the wife and the kids revolted. 433 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:38,639 Speaker 1: They freaked out. 434 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 2: Now that stays, and I must admit, he looks very 435 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:47,119 Speaker 2: very dignified with the full beard. The vance look suits 436 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 2: him very very well, and you know he's going to 437 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 2: move on with that properly. Right to the end of 438 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 2: the election. He was not able to join us on Tuesday, 439 00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:58,680 Speaker 2: and he wouldn't have been able to anyway because he 440 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:00,720 Speaker 2: won't do a show if I'm not here. And I 441 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 2: was sick, and that's the day I had death by 442 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 2: door Dash. I ordered some food at ten thirty at night. 443 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:09,240 Speaker 2: Wrong thing to do, and that was when the Z 444 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 2: level was cooking. Yeah, and they decided to use you know, 445 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 2: oil from seventeen months ago to cook. 446 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:17,679 Speaker 1: My tacos and yummy. 447 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:20,360 Speaker 2: They were going great, going down, but coming up there 448 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:22,880 Speaker 2: was a small problem. I couldn't even move the next 449 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:25,399 Speaker 2: day to do the show from home, which is usually 450 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:28,200 Speaker 2: very easy. One switch and I'm on and this is like, no, 451 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:31,000 Speaker 2: can't do it, don't door Dash in the bathroom. Don't 452 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 2: door dash that late? 453 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 1: Right? Well, I think that was a lesson there. 454 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 3: Don't you have a box of cereal or something on 455 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:37,400 Speaker 3: the shelf you could have eaten. 456 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 2: I literally had nothing but dry cat food. 457 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:40,919 Speaker 1: Well, so I was. 458 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 2: Something I wasn't going down that road. Okay, let's stick 459 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 2: close to California and the election. Do you think Hilton 460 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 2: has got a shot? I remember, and I always bring 461 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 2: this up. The night of the election, Bill Jones was 462 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:02,120 Speaker 2: in here and I just Bill Joses me to love him. 463 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:03,359 Speaker 1: Sue so much, me. 464 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 2: Too, former Secretary of State, former Assembly Three strikes and 465 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 2: you're out. We worked so hard on that. Bill was 466 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:11,680 Speaker 2: a heavy duty hitter in Mike's backyard when we were 467 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 2: putting that together way back and he said if that night, 468 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:16,960 Speaker 2: he said, if here we go, how many times you 469 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:20,400 Speaker 2: heard me say this, if if Donald Trump wins more 470 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 2: than forty percent of the vote that night, you know 471 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:27,199 Speaker 2: we would have a Republican governor. Well, he won forty 472 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 2: plus percentage. He did, so he won forty plus percent. 473 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:35,639 Speaker 2: And look what's going to happen. Everything is coalescing around 474 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,240 Speaker 2: on the higher levels there, Attorney General and all the 475 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 2: polling there that it looks like Republicans are going to 476 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:41,920 Speaker 2: have a shot. 477 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 1: And what Steve is doing. Do you like this? 478 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:47,680 Speaker 2: He's put together a cash to people the individual who 479 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:49,200 Speaker 2: he wants to be the lieutenant governor. 480 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 1: Have you seen this? Oh, we really know. 481 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:55,680 Speaker 2: And she's a Gloria Gloria Gloria Gloria get Gloria's last name. 482 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,320 Speaker 2: Former Democrat, used to be the majority of the NA 483 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:01,720 Speaker 2: Gloria Moreno, used to be the major leader, now Republican, 484 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 2: and she's running for attorney excuse me, lieutenant governor with him. 485 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:10,200 Speaker 2: I mean you have to vote for them individually. Sure, 486 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:12,920 Speaker 2: they can't run on a solid ticket. One vote gets everybody. 487 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:15,919 Speaker 2: He's picked an individual to be the attorney general, and 488 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,360 Speaker 2: he's just got a whole bunch of them. He's got 489 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 2: a slate, Yes, a slate that and if they all won, hallelujah, 490 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,400 Speaker 2: what a great day it would be. But that type 491 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:28,240 Speaker 2: of thing, now you're hearing about it for the first time, 492 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 2: you think it's going to be kind of tough to 493 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 2: pull off. 494 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:30,920 Speaker 1: Well, they do. 495 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:33,919 Speaker 3: They do those slates in other states too. They do, 496 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:37,880 Speaker 3: I think most recently in the Virginia gubernatorial which turned 497 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,680 Speaker 3: out to be a complete disaster. We're learning that the 498 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 3: lady's been in office a few days and she's a 499 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:47,480 Speaker 3: train wreck. Ba oh yeah, she's awful. So they do 500 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 3: those slates in other states. I think it's I think 501 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:53,400 Speaker 3: it's smart because being Republicans, you're not going to raise 502 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,479 Speaker 3: as much money as the Democrats in this state, and 503 00:25:56,520 --> 00:26:00,360 Speaker 3: so you have to maximize your your reach as much 504 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,880 Speaker 3: as you can. So I mean, you get you know, 505 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,639 Speaker 3: you get all these people making phone calls and you 506 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:09,320 Speaker 3: you you're doubling up and tripling up, and I don't 507 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:12,760 Speaker 3: see a drawback to it. I don't see a drawback 508 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:16,159 Speaker 3: to it at all. It's look, desperate times require desperate measures. Now, 509 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 3: the state of California, I don't count Arnold because he's 510 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:25,320 Speaker 3: he was Arnold and he was an anomaly. The last 511 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:30,439 Speaker 3: Republican statewide elected official in the state of California was 512 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:34,960 Speaker 3: Fresno's own favorite son, Bill Jones, and that was what 513 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:39,760 Speaker 3: ninety something. So it's it's gonna take a it's going 514 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,119 Speaker 3: to take a real big effort, and it's going to 515 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:45,840 Speaker 3: take a very angry electorate to change course. But I 516 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,879 Speaker 3: don't see why this this couldn't be the year. You know, 517 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:53,879 Speaker 3: if obviously he's got new strategies and Republicans got to 518 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:57,800 Speaker 3: stick together and uh, you coalesce behind the nominee whoever. 519 00:26:57,880 --> 00:26:59,560 Speaker 2: You know, Well, I think this type of thing will 520 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 2: work out of people are listening because so often I've 521 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:04,800 Speaker 2: heard on this program after the election on some of 522 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:08,400 Speaker 2: these things like attorney general, controller, all of that. Well 523 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:12,439 Speaker 2: I just guessed, yeah, I just guessed. Well, okay, this 524 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:14,199 Speaker 2: is better than a guess if you have somebody on 525 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,680 Speaker 2: top saying it's this one, this one, and this one 526 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:18,399 Speaker 2: and this one, and you just got to get the 527 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:20,639 Speaker 2: word out because all of those people have to be 528 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 2: voted on individually. You can't vote for Steve and get 529 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 2: them all, you know what I mean. 530 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:27,480 Speaker 1: So yeah, it's kind of to go down the line. 531 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:31,119 Speaker 2: But this one, now you don't have to guess, because 532 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,720 Speaker 2: here's the guy that more than likely is going to 533 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,880 Speaker 2: be the next governor a Republican, and he'll just tell 534 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,000 Speaker 2: you it's this one, this one, this one, and if 535 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:42,320 Speaker 2: you do what he says, this could be a very 536 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 2: interesting election. 537 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 3: Steve's a smart guy, and I mean before he went 538 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:52,000 Speaker 3: with nobody but Ray policy here, I was here with 539 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:56,400 Speaker 3: him too a handful of times, and you know, he 540 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 3: he took that Fox News platform that he had and 541 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:02,040 Speaker 3: doing TV and radio. I loved his show, and yeah, 542 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,720 Speaker 3: and he took that platform, and he's saying, well, I 543 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,359 Speaker 3: think I think I you know, I can help in 544 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,040 Speaker 3: a different way. And he's running and we'll have to see, 545 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,199 Speaker 3: We'll have to see how it goes, because you know, 546 00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:15,960 Speaker 3: I do think the electorate is upset. There's been just 547 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 3: the super majority and one party rule here for generation now, 548 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 3: and if the voters are so inclined, then maybe we're going. 549 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 1: To see a reversal. But it's tough Ray. 550 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,320 Speaker 3: It's tough for Steve, it's tough for it's tough for 551 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,480 Speaker 3: Tangi Pa. It's tough for anybody who tries to go 552 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:37,440 Speaker 3: up into Sacramento to change things because for so long. 553 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 1: We're used to this stuff. Well it's global warming. 554 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 3: So we're shutting this down and it's come on, it's 555 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:43,600 Speaker 3: the what's that smelt? 556 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:45,320 Speaker 1: It's the smelt? My god. 557 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 3: We we could compile hours of smelt, a highlight reel 558 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:54,440 Speaker 3: of smelt greatest hits on the Ray Appleton Show. 559 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:58,080 Speaker 2: Clint Olivier is here and we're talking about a lot 560 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:01,040 Speaker 2: of state wide and local stuff. And he came in 561 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:04,720 Speaker 2: with a specific today which we've already been through. But 562 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,600 Speaker 2: let me put you on the spot a little bit 563 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:13,480 Speaker 2: as somebody used to serve within the nomenclatura y Fresno, 564 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:19,320 Speaker 2: you know, political types and all that. Mayor Dier evaluate 565 00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:22,440 Speaker 2: how he's done it. Mayor, how do you think he's 566 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:23,360 Speaker 2: handled this position. 567 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:24,600 Speaker 1: I think he's good. 568 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:28,840 Speaker 2: A lot of people remember him as the arch conservative, 569 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,840 Speaker 2: tough guy. Yeah, and he's changed a little bit, and 570 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,840 Speaker 2: they're pissed off. I get, you know, information all the time. 571 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 2: I hate him for doing this, that and the other thing. 572 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:39,560 Speaker 2: And I'm like, but but you think he's doing a 573 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 2: good job. 574 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,840 Speaker 1: I do. I think he's doing well. I think that 575 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 1: I think that. 576 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:49,560 Speaker 3: Look, people forget because we live here, but Fresno is 577 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:53,760 Speaker 3: one of America's great cities. It's one of America's biggest cities. 578 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,160 Speaker 3: I think it's the thirty third or thirty fourth largest 579 00:29:56,200 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 3: city in the United States. So it's you know, obviously, 580 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 3: see what makes us different from the big places is 581 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,480 Speaker 3: that we lack the metro area. Yeah, we've got Clovis 582 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,240 Speaker 3: and we've got you know, some of these outlying cities 583 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:19,440 Speaker 3: and towns, but we're bigger than Miami. The NFL cities Miami, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, Buffalo, Cleveland. Yes, 584 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,479 Speaker 3: Fresno is bigger than Cleveland. We we don't have an 585 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:28,720 Speaker 3: NFL franchise because we lack that that metro area. But 586 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:32,680 Speaker 3: Fresno is a huge city. Here's what I'll say about 587 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:39,120 Speaker 3: Mayor Dyer. Somehow he's been able to govern it. Somehow, 588 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:44,160 Speaker 3: we're with public safety as his priority as it should be. 589 00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:46,760 Speaker 1: I think he's I think he's hit a home run there. 590 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:52,240 Speaker 3: We've seen a lot of social unrest and civil unrest 591 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 3: around the country. Uh, since you know, about the time 592 00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:58,640 Speaker 3: he came in. I think brand was still the mayor 593 00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 3: during the Summer of Love and twenty twenty, but that 594 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,760 Speaker 3: was an election year and then uh, and then Jerry 595 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:08,560 Speaker 3: came in. I think he's he's found that middle ground. 596 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,120 Speaker 3: I really do. I mean there, I hear stuff too 597 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,479 Speaker 3: and they say, oh, the permitting department is slow, but 598 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:17,360 Speaker 3: that that's a that's always been that's the complaint whenever. 599 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 3: I mean, you know, back in the day, that was 600 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,840 Speaker 3: a complaint. But I think he found a way to 601 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:27,240 Speaker 3: govern and I think that he preserved that what he 602 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:31,000 Speaker 3: was voted in for, which was to protect public safety 603 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:33,800 Speaker 3: and keep everybody on the straight and narrow in the city. 604 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:34,920 Speaker 1: And I think he's done that. 605 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,320 Speaker 3: And I think, yeah, he's he's he's had a softer 606 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,880 Speaker 3: approach than maybe what some people expected. But but he's 607 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:47,120 Speaker 3: governing one of America's great cities and he's he's he's 608 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:52,640 Speaker 3: managed to represent everyone, and he's managed to be hospitable 609 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:54,200 Speaker 3: to all the groups. 610 00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:56,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the last couple of lines tells the 611 00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:56,640 Speaker 1: whole story. 612 00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:59,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I mean I think that I think that 613 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,040 Speaker 3: that's got to be a part of it. You can't, 614 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:02,600 Speaker 3: you know, crush skulls every day. 615 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,400 Speaker 2: You can't do your stuff and you know your agenda 616 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:08,120 Speaker 2: items all the damn time. Yeah, But why I argue 617 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:09,840 Speaker 2: about it when maybe you can get thirty to forty 618 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,240 Speaker 2: percent of it, whereas there's a chance where you couldn't 619 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,880 Speaker 2: get nothing, Which my fear is, what's next is nothing? 620 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:16,720 Speaker 1: Well, because who's going to be next? 621 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:20,560 Speaker 3: Well Fresno. Right now as we speak, I'm real proud 622 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:24,800 Speaker 3: of Fresno. Yeah, it's a completely democrat with the acceptor Richardson, 623 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:29,640 Speaker 3: it's a Democrat city council. That's also something to take 624 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,440 Speaker 3: into account when you're evaluating the job that the mayor 625 00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:35,880 Speaker 3: has done is that he's got a council body there 626 00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:39,160 Speaker 3: that's that's overwhelmingly from the other side of the aisle. 627 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,000 Speaker 3: I think he's navigated that well. I think he's got 628 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:46,160 Speaker 3: a good city manager in place in Georgia and White. 629 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,040 Speaker 3: So yeah, I think he's made some I think he's 630 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:52,320 Speaker 3: made some solid moves that really has preserved fresh This 631 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:55,080 Speaker 3: is safe city. Fresno is a safe city, and I 632 00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:56,800 Speaker 3: think it's because of the people at the top are 633 00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:57,920 Speaker 3: doing a good job. 634 00:32:57,960 --> 00:32:59,400 Speaker 1: So I give him good grade. 635 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,200 Speaker 2: I like every time I forgot his name. Who the 636 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:04,320 Speaker 2: guy that took Gary's place? 637 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:08,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, Nick Richardson and Mistrict six, geez ray. I think 638 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:09,880 Speaker 1: he's doing a good job. Yeah, I do too. 639 00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:12,760 Speaker 3: I think that he's a real breath of fresh air. 640 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:16,360 Speaker 3: I think he's a different, quiet, different understated. Yeah, but 641 00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 3: you know exactly where he's coming from. 642 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:19,400 Speaker 1: Yes, he's military. I love that. 643 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:23,120 Speaker 3: Yes, Marine Corps Reserve and uh you know he he's 644 00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:26,240 Speaker 3: You're a marine, right, Yes, sir, Well, ra Me and 645 00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:28,880 Speaker 3: Slatick and Richardson are going to take over the city 646 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:29,320 Speaker 3: one day. 647 00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:31,600 Speaker 1: Thank you for coming in. It's been fun. 648 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,040 Speaker 2: Thanks for having me right, give the contact point on 649 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,840 Speaker 2: your information again about this fight with the state. 650 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:40,400 Speaker 3: Fight for property rights dot com, Fight for property rights 651 00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:43,120 Speaker 3: dot com. Get on the uh, get on the list 652 00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:46,240 Speaker 3: and get updates and uh. You know, if I have 653 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:48,520 Speaker 3: a big update, Ray, I'll come back and share it 654 00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:52,240 Speaker 3: with you. But hopefully we prevail. Clit Olivier on KMJ, 655 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:54,200 Speaker 3: I'm not done with you yet