WEBVTT - Karen Bass vs. Nithya Raman: Who Does More Damage to LA? 0:00:01.590 --> 0:00:06.319 Speaking up in all caps. For those that don't, the 0:00:06.920 --> 0:00:07.720 red caps. 0:00:09.220 --> 0:00:10.680 It's the John Phillips Show. 0:00:14.370 --> 0:00:17.709 And we continue at 2.05 in the afternoon on the 0:00:17.770 --> 0:00:21.630 John Phillips Show. Mr. Randy Wiggs in Culver City. 0:00:21.980 --> 0:00:25.799 Johnny, we are broadcasting live on the radio on 790k 0:00:25.920 --> 0:00:30.600 ABC and 810k SFO, and we're also broadcasting live on video. 0:00:30.620 --> 0:00:32.879 You can watch us do this show every single day 0:00:33.020 --> 0:00:39.110 at johnnydontlike.com. That's Johnny with a Y, johnnydontlike.com. That is 0:00:39.150 --> 0:00:40.949 where you can see us do the show, react to 0:00:40.970 --> 0:00:43.470 the stories along with us, play around in the very 0:00:43.570 --> 0:00:46.490 filthy at times chat room, vote in our poll. What 0:00:46.530 --> 0:00:50.430 is the most useless word? Accountability or affordability? Accountability is winning. 0:00:50.800 --> 0:00:52.840 We're here until three o'clock. 0:00:53.880 --> 0:00:56.060 A lot of reaction to that interview that we just 0:00:56.080 --> 0:01:00.920 did with Angela Marsden. A lot of people upset over 0:01:00.980 --> 0:01:03.960 what's going on, not just to her, but the other 0:01:04.000 --> 0:01:07.679 small business owners in the area. And it just seems 0:01:07.900 --> 0:01:11.600 like the push that we're seeing right now, coming not 0:01:11.660 --> 0:01:15.040 only from City Hall but from Sacramento, is that they 0:01:15.080 --> 0:01:18.119 just don't want the homeowners here. They don't want the 0:01:18.180 --> 0:01:21.360 small business owners here. They want us all gone to 0:01:21.400 --> 0:01:24.530 make way for Chinese investors to come in and dump 0:01:25.080 --> 0:01:29.070 a ton of money into high-density housing. That's what they want. That, 0:01:29.130 --> 0:01:30.950 to them, is the future of California. 0:01:31.520 --> 0:01:34.940 And there's no plan for the fallout of a business 0:01:35.040 --> 0:01:38.820 owner that's been paying taxes and supporting jobs in this 0:01:38.880 --> 0:01:42.559 community for years and years and years and years. When 0:01:42.600 --> 0:01:45.720 the developer decides to buy a property and evict all 0:01:45.800 --> 0:01:47.700 of the tenants that have been paying, that have been 0:01:47.720 --> 0:01:52.800 contributing to the economy, nothing. There's no support. Nithya Raman 0:01:52.840 --> 0:01:56.230 is the city council person for that district. And Nithya 0:01:56.290 --> 0:01:59.170 Raman is running for mayor based on her record of 0:01:59.250 --> 0:02:02.960 all the eviction protections and tenant protections that she's had 0:02:03.280 --> 0:02:07.040 for people living in apartments. But there seems to be 0:02:07.220 --> 0:02:10.600 no protections or even the city caring at all when 0:02:10.660 --> 0:02:13.820 small businesses are getting evicted in the name of all 0:02:13.840 --> 0:02:14.880 of this development. 0:02:15.510 --> 0:02:16.630 They don't even care. 0:02:16.650 --> 0:02:21.330 No, no. And she's so right, Angela is, when she 0:02:21.389 --> 0:02:25.980 talks about that small businesses like hers are are the 0:02:26.080 --> 0:02:30.180 fabric of society. I mean, they are how we experience 0:02:30.220 --> 0:02:34.019 these areas. And in a place like Southern California, where 0:02:34.040 --> 0:02:37.139 there's just not a whole lot of history, it's special 0:02:37.200 --> 0:02:41.579 places like that that people remember when they travel here, 0:02:41.639 --> 0:02:44.250 when they come here from another state, from another country. 0:02:44.750 --> 0:02:48.370 They remember those iconic restaurants. I can't tell you the 0:02:48.410 --> 0:02:51.290 number of times people say, how in the world did 0:02:51.330 --> 0:02:55.040 we let the Brown Derby go away? How did we 0:02:55.080 --> 0:02:58.200 let chasins go away? How did we let so many 0:02:58.220 --> 0:03:03.300 of these old-time Hollywood fixtures just evaporate into the night 0:03:03.360 --> 0:03:06.620 sky when so much of our history took place there? 0:03:07.900 --> 0:03:11.690 It's just, we're losing so many things that make Los 0:03:11.810 --> 0:03:14.610 Angeles unique. You go to the Pineapple Hill, which I frequent. 0:03:14.990 --> 0:03:17.750 I go there, you know, usually on Tuesdays for trivia. 0:03:18.440 --> 0:03:20.660 it is such a throwback to the old kind of 0:03:20.700 --> 0:03:23.260 bar that you don't really see because almost everything in 0:03:23.300 --> 0:03:26.760 Los Angeles is just another chain that's repeating itself. It's 0:03:26.900 --> 0:03:31.570 such a unique place and taking that away. It is heartbreaking. Um, 0:03:31.810 --> 0:03:34.690 make sure if you weren't already thinking of coming out 0:03:34.910 --> 0:03:38.110 next Friday, come out not only to support us and 0:03:38.130 --> 0:03:41.740 to support, uh, prop 43, but come support Angela, come 0:03:41.750 --> 0:03:45.100 support the pineapple Hill and, you've got any ideas, any 0:03:45.120 --> 0:03:47.320 connections on what we can do to save this business. 0:03:47.420 --> 0:03:49.380 I don't know if there is anything that we can do, 0:03:49.480 --> 0:03:51.780 but let's start thinking about it. They're going to be 0:03:51.920 --> 0:03:53.800 operating for at least the next month and a half 0:03:53.880 --> 0:03:57.290 or so. So get down there, go enjoy yourself, whether 0:03:57.310 --> 0:04:00.450 it's trivia Tuesday, wing Wednesday, whatever. I love that place. 0:04:00.630 --> 0:04:03.070 And I'm sure you all love it too. Let's show 0:04:03.110 --> 0:04:05.950 them our support more than ever. Not only just for Angela, 0:04:06.310 --> 0:04:08.750 the bartenders, the waiters that work there, because a lot 0:04:08.770 --> 0:04:10.310 of people are going to be out of a job 0:04:10.610 --> 0:04:11.720 in just a couple of weeks. 0:04:12.970 --> 0:04:17.750 800-222-5222 is the telephone number. It is our pleasure to 0:04:17.790 --> 0:04:20.190 welcome our next guest to the program. She is the 0:04:20.230 --> 0:04:24.880 professor of political science emeritus at California State University at Fullerton, 0:04:25.160 --> 0:04:26.800 Professor Barbara Stone. Welcome. 0:04:28.100 --> 0:04:29.040 Good afternoon, John. 0:04:29.540 --> 0:04:32.320 Well, thank you so much for being here. So I 0:04:32.779 --> 0:04:35.610 want to read a tweet for you and have you 0:04:35.710 --> 0:04:40.169 respond to it because I get a ton of e-mails 0:04:40.600 --> 0:04:43.920 from people in the city of Los Angeles who voted 0:04:43.960 --> 0:04:47.430 for Spencer Pratt for mayor, who now are looking at 0:04:47.460 --> 0:04:53.890 a November ballot that has socialist Nithya Raman and incumbent 0:04:53.990 --> 0:04:57.250 failed mayor Karen Bass on it, and they don't know 0:04:57.330 --> 0:05:00.360 what to do. The number one question I get is, 0:05:00.410 --> 0:05:03.130 can they write in Spencer Pratt? The answer is no. 0:05:03.170 --> 0:05:06.300 The city of Los Angeles will not allow those votes 0:05:06.330 --> 0:05:09.660 to be counted. So that leaves them with the question of, 0:05:10.820 --> 0:05:13.360 What do they do? Do they vote for Rahman? Do 0:05:13.400 --> 0:05:15.700 they vote for Bass? Or do they leave it blank? 0:05:16.480 --> 0:05:21.900 Here is what longtime L.A.-based Democratic strategist Michael Trujillo tweeted 0:05:22.200 --> 0:05:25.570 on that subject. Quote, the race for mayor of Los 0:05:25.690 --> 0:05:28.869 Angeles will be decided by all of us for sure 0:05:29.029 --> 0:05:32.849 in L.A., but the San Fernando Valley, like it or not, 0:05:33.050 --> 0:05:36.010 is the swing vote. And it's not the first time 0:05:36.050 --> 0:05:41.279 they've had this position. In 2005, former Valley Assemblyman, soon-to-be 0:05:41.320 --> 0:05:45.460 state senator Bob Hertzberg, came in third and supported former 0:05:45.600 --> 0:05:49.720 ACLU president Antonio Villaraigosa for mayor, which brought out the 0:05:49.760 --> 0:05:54.430 Valley vote for him. Fast forward to 2013, Kevin James, 0:05:54.580 --> 0:05:58.490 a local talk radio host, formerly with KABC, came in 0:05:58.589 --> 0:06:02.190 third with his base being Republican voters in the San 0:06:02.210 --> 0:06:06.750 Fernando Valley. He endorsed Rhodes Scholar Eric Garcetti for mayor. 0:06:07.230 --> 0:06:10.750 which put him over the top. You may not like it, 0:06:11.150 --> 0:06:15.020 but the reality is reality star Spencer Pratt and his 0:06:15.100 --> 0:06:18.680 base vote in the San Fernando Valley is key to 0:06:18.740 --> 0:06:23.440 whoever becomes mayor this year. This is a nonpartisan race, 0:06:23.960 --> 0:06:25.500 not a Democratic primary. 0:06:30.080 --> 0:06:32.420 And so you're going down the road. What do you 0:06:32.500 --> 0:06:37.279 do if you... are an L.A. voter and are not 0:06:37.360 --> 0:06:39.179 totally nuts, right? 0:06:39.540 --> 0:06:40.060 Pretty much. 0:06:41.560 --> 0:06:45.650 Okay, I have a question before I offer up a... 0:06:46.450 --> 0:06:48.210 All I can do is tell you what I would 0:06:48.250 --> 0:06:51.150 seriously consider doing, and by the way, what I seriously 0:06:51.210 --> 0:06:56.590 consider doing was never living in that city. Actually, excuse me, 0:06:56.650 --> 0:07:03.820 never owning property in that city. Actually, has Spencer Pratt 0:07:03.900 --> 0:07:04.560 said anything? 0:07:06.200 --> 0:07:08.640 He has attacked both of the candidates and says he 0:07:08.690 --> 0:07:11.270 has information on one of the two that will destroy 0:07:11.290 --> 0:07:14.630 their political career that he's going to release after the election. 0:07:18.050 --> 0:07:21.690 That's interesting. So he's looking to thinking maybe there'll be a, 0:07:21.790 --> 0:07:25.320 be a vacancy or something like that. Fine. Then he's 0:07:25.400 --> 0:07:29.540 playing that game. But from his point of view, there's 0:07:29.620 --> 0:07:33.200 nothing to be gained by supporting one or the other. Um, 0:07:34.240 --> 0:07:38.140 I will go back in the two cases Trujillo was 0:07:38.220 --> 0:07:43.180 talking about. Actually, while neither of those were particularly good 0:07:43.240 --> 0:07:46.370 mayors compared to what's on the ballot this time, man, 0:07:47.960 --> 0:07:53.220 they were models of sanity. I guess if I didn't 0:07:53.540 --> 0:08:06.090 already know that Karen Bass is... Really, really stupid. Well, 0:08:06.190 --> 0:08:10.410 that bothers me. You know, at least Garcetti was not stupid. 0:08:10.850 --> 0:08:17.950 Antonio was not stupid. This woman is. And so you 0:08:17.990 --> 0:08:21.750 can't expect anything good out of her. And interestingly enough, 0:08:21.830 --> 0:08:26.510 I've paid enough attention to the ramen woman. Man, this 0:08:26.570 --> 0:08:32.360 is called a race to the bottom. So it's the, John, 0:08:33.160 --> 0:08:36.020 what I think I would do, I never don't vote, 0:08:36.140 --> 0:08:39.370 if that makes any sense. It just somehow, I know 0:08:39.400 --> 0:08:42.329 they won't count it. I probably would go vote and 0:08:42.390 --> 0:08:44.010 vote for Spencer Pratt anyway. 0:08:46.010 --> 0:08:49.969 Here's the way I see it. Under no circumstances would 0:08:50.030 --> 0:08:52.990 I ever vote for a DSA candidate. I just wouldn't. 0:08:53.830 --> 0:08:54.610 I believe in capitalism. 0:08:54.630 --> 0:08:55.510 Yeah, well, that takes care of that. 0:08:55.880 --> 0:08:59.300 Private property rights, public safety, which means you can't vote 0:08:59.320 --> 0:09:02.730 for them. So Rahman's a no-go, which means you're left 0:09:02.750 --> 0:09:07.550 with two options. You can vote for the failed mayor, 0:09:07.570 --> 0:09:10.990 or you can leave the ballot blank. And it kind 0:09:11.030 --> 0:09:17.290 of puts Pratt voters in the old life jacket ethical dilemma, 0:09:18.070 --> 0:09:20.349 where you're on the boat with a limited number of 0:09:20.429 --> 0:09:23.590 life jackets, and one of the people in the water 0:09:23.650 --> 0:09:27.860 is Karen Bass. And the question is, do you turn 0:09:27.920 --> 0:09:30.300 around and go to Ghana because the fire chief never 0:09:30.360 --> 0:09:31.679 told you the surf would be high? 0:09:34.760 --> 0:09:39.140 You're hitting on something that seems to me unbelievably relevant, 0:09:40.380 --> 0:09:43.520 that you go, well, surely she would be better than 0:09:43.580 --> 0:09:49.500 a democratic socialist. Hmm, maybe. But in terms of anything 0:09:49.559 --> 0:09:52.570 that local government is supposed to be doing.. 0:09:53.760 --> 0:09:53.920 Uh.. 0:09:54.110 --> 0:09:57.390 And you just mentioned one of them Try Public Safety. 0:10:00.150 --> 0:10:03.969 She's a disaster. If you want to vote for her 0:10:04.110 --> 0:10:07.620 on the basis that you just can't give the DSA 0:10:07.630 --> 0:10:13.060 a victory here, and after all, I really don't want 0:10:13.960 --> 0:10:20.460 government-run grocery stores, then you can justify it on the 0:10:20.520 --> 0:10:23.949 basis but i'm not going to guarantee you it's going 0:10:23.990 --> 0:10:27.170 to stay this way that at least she hired a 0:10:27.270 --> 0:10:32.270 decent police chief and while they may not be building 0:10:32.309 --> 0:10:37.689 the department at least she hasn't abolished it and so 0:10:37.790 --> 0:10:43.030 maybe she's not quite as well the other one's going 0:10:43.050 --> 0:10:46.819 to be horrible and and whether or not bath she 0:10:46.860 --> 0:10:51.270 won't improve don't fool yourself But if you can go, well, 0:10:51.290 --> 0:10:54.570 I can look at that little corner. I can look 0:10:54.610 --> 0:10:59.739 at a few other corners. Just don't go near Boyle Heights. 0:11:00.860 --> 0:11:05.959 I can justify voting for her, but it really, really, 0:11:06.340 --> 0:11:09.660 really wouldn't make me happy. Anyhow. 0:11:12.210 --> 0:11:14.319 Let's shift gears. 0:11:14.360 --> 0:11:17.359 Let me do one last thing. Part of it where 0:11:17.420 --> 0:11:20.920 I suspect but do not know, really don't know, is 0:11:20.960 --> 0:11:25.360 that there was room here for Bass to reach out 0:11:25.660 --> 0:11:29.579 to at least some Pratt voters about going vote for me. 0:11:29.660 --> 0:11:32.900 I'm not as awful as she is. Now, this is 0:11:32.940 --> 0:11:35.710 where my knowledge is limited, but I saw no sign 0:11:35.750 --> 0:11:40.109 of that. So that's no sign that she's planning on reforming. Okay, 0:11:40.150 --> 0:11:40.589 shift gears. 0:11:40.870 --> 0:11:43.830 What you said is correct. I asked Roxanne Hogue, who's 0:11:43.850 --> 0:11:47.460 the chairwoman of the L.A. County Republican Party, if Bass 0:11:47.480 --> 0:11:49.760 has reached out to her. She said no. 0:11:51.160 --> 0:11:54.559 Okay, you do not reward that. I'm sorry, John. I'm 0:11:54.640 --> 0:11:59.280 going to sound weird, but you don't reward that. 0:12:00.760 --> 0:12:01.580 Okay, hi. 0:12:01.740 --> 0:12:03.100 What other topic do we have? 0:12:03.420 --> 0:12:06.340 Okay, so last week I had Chuck Todd on, formerly 0:12:06.400 --> 0:12:10.150 of Meet the Press, and... I talked to him about 0:12:10.270 --> 0:12:14.850 the race in San Francisco to replace Nancy Pelosi. And 0:12:14.970 --> 0:12:18.310 he said Nancy Pelosi is one of the shrewdest political 0:12:18.490 --> 0:12:22.310 operators that he's ever seen in Washington, D.C., and the 0:12:22.450 --> 0:12:25.970 MVP for the Democratic Party for years and years and years. 0:12:26.730 --> 0:12:31.600 That being said, her biggest character flaw is if you 0:12:31.650 --> 0:12:35.040 wrong her, she will remember it for the rest of 0:12:35.120 --> 0:12:38.069 her life In fact, it might be the only thing 0:12:38.110 --> 0:12:40.970 that she thinks about when your name comes up, and 0:12:41.030 --> 0:12:44.369 she cannot get beyond that. And at some point in 0:12:44.450 --> 0:12:47.370 his past, he said that he had offended her, and 0:12:47.410 --> 0:12:50.390 he's run into that kind of trouble with her himself. 0:12:51.630 --> 0:12:54.700 When I asked him about what she's doing in San 0:12:54.740 --> 0:12:59.220 Francisco this time around, because she does not like Scott Weiner. 0:12:59.280 --> 0:13:02.000 Scott Weiner, the state senator who's running to replace her, 0:13:02.540 --> 0:13:05.120 announced that he was running before she said she wasn't 0:13:05.200 --> 0:13:08.160 seeking another term. She wanted to hand the seat off 0:13:08.200 --> 0:13:11.500 to her daughter. I guess his poll numbers were strong enough, 0:13:11.559 --> 0:13:14.760 his fundraising was strong enough, his endorsements were strong enough 0:13:15.100 --> 0:13:17.580 that led her to believe that she couldn't pass the 0:13:17.620 --> 0:13:21.520 seat to her daughter, which really upset her. So he 0:13:21.679 --> 0:13:25.810 is on Nancy Pelosi's list. And instead of doing the 0:13:25.890 --> 0:13:28.870 things that a former speaker, the first female speaker, would 0:13:28.910 --> 0:13:31.730 do for the last six months while she's on her 0:13:31.770 --> 0:13:35.309 way out, She is spending every waking moment trying to 0:13:35.390 --> 0:13:39.730 get him. And he said, Chuck Todd, that this is 0:13:39.809 --> 0:13:43.470 her spending her last six months indulging herself in her 0:13:43.510 --> 0:13:44.490 worst impulses. 0:13:48.920 --> 0:13:59.140 Why is anybody surprised? Seriously. It's funny how things stick 0:13:59.200 --> 0:14:03.630 in your mind about people. And I remember Nancy comes 0:14:03.750 --> 0:14:09.370 from a good East Coast machine politics family. That's how 0:14:09.429 --> 0:14:12.090 you play it. I don't actually think she'll cut the 0:14:12.130 --> 0:14:14.270 head off any horses and put them on his bed, 0:14:14.330 --> 0:14:19.780 but I wouldn't put it past her. Well, would you? 0:14:20.120 --> 0:14:20.480 No. 0:14:20.500 --> 0:14:25.960 So what do you expect? Now, what Todd told you 0:14:25.980 --> 0:14:30.040 sounds like, well, she could be doing good things instead 0:14:30.080 --> 0:14:32.040 of this. Like what? 0:14:33.360 --> 0:14:33.680 Okay? 0:14:34.120 --> 0:14:37.710 Democrats are a minority in the House. They're hoping they're 0:14:37.730 --> 0:14:40.109 going to be a majority, but she's not going to 0:14:40.150 --> 0:14:44.170 be part of it. There's nothing she's holding together or 0:14:44.250 --> 0:14:50.500 doing or organizing. And I would actually think she'd stay 0:14:50.560 --> 0:14:54.660 away from the internal arguments over the Democratic Socialists. So 0:14:54.720 --> 0:14:59.820 what's a good party? political machine lady supposed to do 0:15:00.260 --> 0:15:02.920 you go out and you have the people who've wronged 0:15:02.960 --> 0:15:06.020 you from your point of view even i knew and 0:15:06.780 --> 0:15:09.570 i don't pay that much attention to san francisco politics 0:15:10.130 --> 0:15:13.330 even i knew that the word was all over she 0:15:13.390 --> 0:15:17.150 wanted to pass it to her daughter and when he 0:15:17.190 --> 0:15:21.290 got in the way fine but he better be able 0:15:21.350 --> 0:15:23.350 to beat her and i'm sure at this point it's 0:15:23.410 --> 0:15:28.070 him versus her and uh... There's some interesting things, John, 0:15:28.110 --> 0:15:32.310 going on in that party that are going to affect 0:15:32.370 --> 0:15:36.479 this over and beyond her. By the way, part of 0:15:36.580 --> 0:15:39.280 it is the wild anti-Semitism that's shown up in the 0:15:39.320 --> 0:15:43.960 Democratic left. It's been there, but oh my goodness. So 0:15:44.700 --> 0:15:48.120 I just don't understand why anybody's thinking this is newsworthy. 0:15:49.460 --> 0:15:52.760 Go back to that for a second, because the DSA 0:15:53.000 --> 0:15:56.440 is now on the ascendancy in that party. And they're 0:15:56.480 --> 0:15:59.720 winning all over the country. It started out in New 0:15:59.760 --> 0:16:03.940 York with Mamdani's election, but we've seen it happen in 0:16:03.980 --> 0:16:08.760 various House races across the country where wartime incumbents, including 0:16:08.800 --> 0:16:11.310 Democrats who you would not regard as a blue dog 0:16:11.350 --> 0:16:15.190 at all, two of them were House impeachment managers, went 0:16:15.250 --> 0:16:19.790 down in defeat to DSA candidates. We just had an 0:16:19.850 --> 0:16:24.150 election here in California to replace disgraced former Congressman Eric Swalwell. 0:16:24.580 --> 0:16:29.720 and the DSA candidate won that too. You mentioned anti-Semitism. 0:16:30.320 --> 0:16:33.580 Do you think that the anti-Semitism that had been bubbling 0:16:33.660 --> 0:16:39.290 around those circles came to the forefront because of the DSA, 0:16:39.310 --> 0:16:43.050 where I guess the DSA gave them permission to make 0:16:43.110 --> 0:16:47.290 those private conversations public and part of the dialogue in 0:16:47.330 --> 0:16:47.870 that party? 0:16:51.710 --> 0:16:56.370 I actually believe that, and believe it or not, Hamas 0:16:56.510 --> 0:17:01.310 invading Israel in the public way is what set this 0:17:01.410 --> 0:17:05.490 all off. But anti-Semitism, John, has been there in that 0:17:05.560 --> 0:17:11.820 party for years. I remember the not-so-wonderful Jesse Jackson talking 0:17:11.859 --> 0:17:14.919 about Hymies in Hymietown. He meant Jews in New York. 0:17:16.740 --> 0:17:20.450 On the left, for whatever reason... That's been there quite 0:17:20.490 --> 0:17:25.980 a while, but we'd have to be probably smarter than 0:17:26.040 --> 0:17:31.340 we are to go why invading Israel and killing and 0:17:31.619 --> 0:17:38.750 naming babies inspired the left to come forward and find 0:17:38.810 --> 0:17:42.570 it acceptable to be anti-Semitic. By the way, it's not 0:17:42.670 --> 0:17:46.669 only on the left, but they certainly are there. I 0:17:46.750 --> 0:17:50.580 think it's something that has been there and that popped 0:17:50.619 --> 0:17:53.460 to the fore because of what's going on in the 0:17:53.520 --> 0:17:58.680 Middle East. But I could make a big thing, but 0:17:58.760 --> 0:18:01.199 I don't really want to, about you always have to 0:18:01.260 --> 0:18:05.889 have somebody who you can blame for everything. And I 0:18:05.930 --> 0:18:09.090 think it was Hannah Arendt who talked about the problem 0:18:09.109 --> 0:18:12.850 with Jews since the Middle Ages is they are wealthy, 0:18:14.070 --> 0:18:19.590 they are obvious, but they also are weak, and people 0:18:19.650 --> 0:18:20.250 come for them. 0:18:22.150 --> 0:18:25.670 Last question before you go. In that special election to 0:18:25.750 --> 0:18:31.449 replace Eric Swalwell, the Democratic caucus from California, which is 0:18:31.490 --> 0:18:35.560 run by Zoe Lofgren, told the DSA candidate not to run, 0:18:36.160 --> 0:18:38.679 in part because they wanted to fill that seat as 0:18:38.740 --> 0:18:41.940 quickly as possible because the House is so evenly divided, 0:18:42.359 --> 0:18:44.520 and if it went to a runoff, the vacancy would 0:18:44.560 --> 0:18:48.790 last longer. Her response to Zoe Lofgren was, what's in 0:18:48.850 --> 0:18:53.030 it for me? And then she ran anyway and then 0:18:53.250 --> 0:18:56.790 ended up winning. What do you think those internal meetings 0:18:56.830 --> 0:18:59.290 are going to be like if they're telling people it's 0:18:59.330 --> 0:19:02.260 not your turn, don't run, and then they try to 0:19:02.300 --> 0:19:05.400 get a pound of flesh out of them, it never materializes, 0:19:05.480 --> 0:19:06.780 and they run and win anyway? 0:19:09.320 --> 0:19:11.380 Let's put it this way. I'm glad that's not my 0:19:11.440 --> 0:19:12.260 political party. 0:19:13.270 --> 0:19:13.420 Uh.. 0:19:13.630 --> 0:19:16.950 We have our own problems but not john is going 0:19:16.990 --> 0:19:19.430 to be wild i've got to have one little caveat 0:19:19.450 --> 0:19:22.990 here because the people you were talking about the dsa 0:19:23.030 --> 0:19:27.280 people and i'll try to hurry who won mostly one 0:19:27.480 --> 0:19:33.500 in overwhelmingly cannot lose democrat districts and they will go 0:19:33.560 --> 0:19:37.020 there and they will join the squad all those truly 0:19:37.119 --> 0:19:42.430 rational wonderful people who are already there They will see themselves, 0:19:42.690 --> 0:19:47.720 and I think you probably have it right, it'll look 0:19:47.790 --> 0:19:51.220 like they're great philosophers or scientists. but they're out to 0:19:51.300 --> 0:19:55.119 extract all kinds of stuff. How important they remain, I 0:19:55.640 --> 0:20:03.580 truly believe, will be decided by the statewide races. The 0:20:03.660 --> 0:20:08.090 few of them where people associated with people like them, 0:20:08.200 --> 0:20:13.730 or just with Assange Piker, are running for, like, Senate seats. 0:20:13.850 --> 0:20:17.630 Let's use the guy in Michigan. If he can succeed, 0:20:18.210 --> 0:20:22.000 then they're just going to run over the quote-unquote establishment. 0:20:22.480 --> 0:20:28.040 But it's only in very safe districts. Actually, I recommend 0:20:28.080 --> 0:20:30.200 you go back and see the influence of the Tea 0:20:30.260 --> 0:20:33.760 Party and our party, and they'll have an influence, but 0:20:33.800 --> 0:20:35.240 it won't be nearly what they want. 0:20:35.880 --> 0:20:37.340 All right. We're going to have to leave it there. 0:20:37.380 --> 0:20:41.350 Professor Barbara Stone, Professor of political science emeritus at Cal 0:20:41.369 --> 0:20:43.450 State Fullerton. Thanks so much for stopping by. 0:20:43.470 --> 0:20:45.370 Always good to talk to you. 0:20:46.470 --> 0:20:49.410 And if you want to watch us perform the show live, 0:20:49.430 --> 0:20:52.389 go to johnnydontlike.com and click that like button. 0:20:54.600 --> 0:20:57.460 We're already at, I think, over 300 likes for today's show, 0:20:57.520 --> 0:21:00.220 and that tells YouTube to push us out to new people. 0:21:00.260 --> 0:21:03.439 We're at 340 likes. Y'all are killing it. Thank you 0:21:03.560 --> 0:21:04.139 so much. 0:21:04.960 --> 0:21:08.680 And tomorrow, the newest edition of the Accountability Podcast drops. 0:21:09.300 --> 0:21:11.719 Johnny and I are joined by Jennifer Van Laar to 0:21:11.740 --> 0:21:15.859 talk the tire thing, Gavin Newsom's weird real estate deal, 0:21:16.440 --> 0:21:19.570 and the war on reporters in Sacramento. 0:21:20.940 --> 0:21:24.929 And we had Angela Marsden from Pineapple Hill on the 0:21:24.990 --> 0:21:28.590 program earlier today. She's going to host us at a 0:21:28.670 --> 0:21:31.510 restaurant in the San Fernando Valley soon. If you want 0:21:31.530 --> 0:21:33.030 to join us, please come. 0:21:33.720 --> 0:21:34.800 It's a week from Friday. 0:21:35.040 --> 0:21:37.980 Our live broadcast at the Pineapple Hill Saloon and Grill 0:21:38.040 --> 0:21:40.020 might be the last one we ever get to do, 0:21:40.460 --> 0:21:43.660 so make sure you come join us at the Pineapple 0:21:43.680 --> 0:21:47.020 Hill in Sherman Oaks off of Van Nuys in Millbank 0:21:47.580 --> 0:21:50.720 on Friday, September 4th from noon to 3. 0:21:50.720 --> 0:21:53.440 Let's go to John in Pasadena. John, hello. 0:21:55.400 --> 0:21:59.590 Hey, good afternoon, guys. Great show as always. Randy, you 0:21:59.609 --> 0:22:01.430 may know more. I don't know, John, if you know, 0:22:01.470 --> 0:22:05.990 but Palermo's It was a business that had been in 0:22:07.030 --> 0:22:11.250 town for 50 years. My brother-in-law, Tony, just recently passed 0:22:11.310 --> 0:22:15.510 away July 10th while on vacation. But my point is, 0:22:15.690 --> 0:22:18.370 it was so hard for him to maintain that business 0:22:18.710 --> 0:22:22.470 with the price of, for instance, a case of tomatoes 0:22:22.530 --> 0:22:24.070 would go from $ 18. 22 to $ 85 to $ 95 and so 0:22:24.170 --> 0:22:26.350 on and so forth. But with that said, I don't 0:22:26.369 --> 0:22:37.880 know the people that run our governance here are even 0:22:37.920 --> 0:22:40.080 aware of it or even trying to do anything to 0:22:40.119 --> 0:22:43.080 combat that. I'm sure the lady from Pineapple Hill must 0:22:43.140 --> 0:22:48.560 know the margins involved today in restaurants are terrible. And 0:22:49.240 --> 0:22:57.109 that's why places like Little Joe's, the Derby, other Sate's restaurant, Baragon's, 0:22:58.430 --> 0:23:00.930 Michael's on Lost Fields, a lot of businesses has just 0:23:00.950 --> 0:23:03.480 gone out of, just can't keep up with it And 0:23:03.500 --> 0:23:08.929 it was a struggle the last three years, pronouncedly. And so, Randy, 0:23:08.950 --> 0:23:11.050 I don't know, had you ever been to Palermo's on 0:23:11.090 --> 0:23:11.930 Vermont and Franklin? 0:23:12.270 --> 0:23:16.410 Oh, many, many, many times. And, you know, Tony's daughter, Michelle, 0:23:16.430 --> 0:23:18.949 is a friend of mine. I love that place, and 0:23:18.970 --> 0:23:21.510 I was so sorry to hear about Tony passing away. 0:23:22.109 --> 0:23:23.570 They used to give you wine if you had to 0:23:23.609 --> 0:23:24.409 wait for a table. 0:23:25.840 --> 0:23:28.639 Well, his competitor, and I'm not going to name names, 0:23:29.060 --> 0:23:31.500 but you can figure out who it is, they fainted 0:23:31.580 --> 0:23:34.980 on him because it was so... it was so successful. 0:23:35.000 --> 0:23:36.659 There'd be anywhere from a half hour, an hour and 0:23:36.680 --> 0:23:38.840 a half wait, but it wasn't just the free wine 0:23:38.900 --> 0:23:41.820 is Randy. And I think, you know, uh, John, it 0:23:41.859 --> 0:23:46.720 was the food. Amazing, amazing food. And yes, Michelle, my niece, she's, 0:23:46.940 --> 0:23:50.110 she's a fabulous young lady. And I think the family's 0:23:50.150 --> 0:23:54.550 still reeling from trying to get through the, uh, it 0:23:54.590 --> 0:23:57.889 wasn't expected at all. It just wasn't expected, but, uh, 0:23:58.090 --> 0:24:03.189 he had planned on reopening this past 12th, last Wednesday. And, uh, 0:24:03.869 --> 0:24:06.949 It's a, it's a shame that it's, it's, we don't 0:24:06.970 --> 0:24:09.080 know what's going to happen, so I can just leave 0:24:09.100 --> 0:24:11.580 it at that. But Randy, I look forward to seeing 0:24:11.619 --> 0:24:13.880 you and John out of pineapple Hill a week from Friday. 0:24:14.040 --> 0:24:18.020 Thanks for taking my call. And, uh, I think my brother, 0:24:18.060 --> 0:24:21.560 Tony deserves a lot of, a lot of credit and I, 0:24:21.700 --> 0:24:24.220 I not going to go too far, but he had 0:24:24.300 --> 0:24:29.340 bass and Nithya Raman come in before the elections with Pratt. And, uh, 0:24:29.980 --> 0:24:33.540 as you know, my, my brother-in-law, he was a registered Democrat. 0:24:34.420 --> 0:24:37.480 And he ran for governor, by the way. But they 0:24:37.520 --> 0:24:40.800 came into his restaurant, and he had some pretty interesting 0:24:40.859 --> 0:24:44.560 things to tell them. He would always shake his head 0:24:44.600 --> 0:24:46.859 that we had an avowed Marxist and Basque and an 0:24:47.140 --> 0:24:51.580 avowed socialist like Nithya Raman actually trying to run the city, 0:24:51.640 --> 0:24:53.440 and neither one of them have ever run a business. 0:24:53.850 --> 0:24:56.370 So do the math on that or square that any 0:24:56.410 --> 0:24:59.250 way you can. But love your show. Thank you, guys. 0:24:59.550 --> 0:25:01.030 And I'll talk to you again. 0:25:01.350 --> 0:25:03.609 We'll see you next Friday, and John, we're so sorry 0:25:03.650 --> 0:25:05.370 for your loss. Tony was a legend. 0:25:06.630 --> 0:25:09.159