1 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:04,880 Speaker 1: This is Bob Tannam in the garden. 2 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:08,840 Speaker 2: We have a special Easter for you. Happy Easter, everybody. 3 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:10,959 Speaker 2: It's one of those Sundays that comes around once a 4 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 2: year that you might have plans to go around. We're 5 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 2: gonna have Easter here. We've got the lottery tickets, we've 6 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 2: got the eggs that put them in, and we're all 7 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 2: set to go. So that'll be our main event today, 8 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 2: besides having my cousins here, which from my mom's side 9 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 2: of the family, it's an annual event. All right. So 10 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:37,240 Speaker 2: this morning, as my cat is becoming a problem, he's 11 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 2: just tangled in the wire. Sorry, yeah, that's Ambrose. We 12 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 2: have a special guest this morning, and her name is 13 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:50,840 Speaker 2: Lisa Steele and she has written The Gardening with Chickens 14 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 2: and she also works with A well well, she's also 15 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 2: featured on magazine, so we'll talk about that. So let's 16 00:00:57,160 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 2: go to our guest. Lisa. Good morning, Good morning, Happy Easter. 17 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:05,199 Speaker 2: I hope you have some good weather there. And where 18 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 2: are you calling from? Where do we call you from? 19 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:11,480 Speaker 3: You're just the happy Easter. I am in Maine and 20 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 3: it was gray and really and muddy, and it's just 21 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 3: pretty typical New England easter Sunday. 22 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 2: This is a I love to make you feel jealous. 23 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:29,039 Speaker 2: It'll be seventy degrees up here near San Francisco, and 24 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:32,959 Speaker 2: it'll be clear after the after the clouds move away 25 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:35,679 Speaker 2: a little bit. And and we actually had well okay, 26 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:38,479 Speaker 2: now this is exciting for us. We actually had some rain. 27 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:42,400 Speaker 2: Uh we didn't. We had the driest, one of the driest, 28 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 2: hottest marches I ever had in my whole life. And uh, 29 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 2: yeah it was. It was a pretty weird thing because 30 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 2: we missed our spring rains. I mean we had some 31 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 2: in February, but yeah, it's been a weird year, very 32 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 2: very strange. And then, uh, you know, no snowpack and 33 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 2: that that feeds us through our summers here in a 34 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 2: lot of different cities that don't have the watersheds, you know, 35 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 2: so we here in Marina, but crazy. 36 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 3: Ra you know. Yeah, we did get snow. I don't 37 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:18,799 Speaker 3: think we got as much snow as we normally do, 38 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 3: so same thing, you know, we don't have the snows 39 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:23,919 Speaker 3: melting to feed the streams and the brooks. And yeah, 40 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 3: when you start gardening, you as you know, you start 41 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:30,399 Speaker 3: paying attention a lot more. 42 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, exactly, exactly exactly. Oh boy. Anyway, Yeah, so 43 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 2: the beginning of the show is usually when my cat 44 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:48,800 Speaker 2: goes crazy. So we're going to talk about chickens anyway, Right, 45 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:51,959 Speaker 2: all right, tell us tell us about the first book 46 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 2: that came out. What inspired you to write a book 47 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:57,520 Speaker 2: about chickens. Obviously it was just something that you just 48 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 2: you went full feet four into as far as the 49 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 2: combination of bringing up chickens and then of course the 50 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:10,640 Speaker 2: benefits to the gardening. So tell us a little bit 51 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 2: about yourself and a little bit about your history. 52 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, I in an eggshell, not a nutshell. I grew up. 53 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 3: I grew up with chickens. My grandparents were chicken farmers, 54 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 3: so I kind of had it in my dna, and 55 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 3: I started raising them in two thousand and nine. I 56 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:31,519 Speaker 3: was not working. You know, a lot of people weren't working, 57 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 3: or was the recession, and everybody was kind of getting 58 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 3: into the home sitting thing. It was something I was 59 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 3: familiar with, and I just fell in love with it. 60 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 3: I you know, I had learned a lot growing up, 61 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 3: even though it wasn't solely in charge of keeping the 62 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 3: chickens alive, which is a whole other story, but I 63 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 3: did kind of dive in Pete first, and I did 64 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 3: a lot of research and I started writing books and 65 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 3: as I as I really get into it, I realized 66 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 3: the synergy that exists between the chickens and the gardens 67 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 3: that existed on farms. You know, since the beginning of time. 68 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 3: The chickens are out, they're eating bugs, they're eating weeds. 69 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 3: You know, they're helping to fertilize and kill and you know, 70 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 3: I kind of call them like my free garden helpers, 71 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 3: you know, because they they would have benefit, but they're 72 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 3: also super destructive. And I think a lot of people 73 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 3: get discouraged when they start raising chickens. You're thinking it's 74 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:24,680 Speaker 3: going to be idyllic, this this you know instagram reel 75 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:27,840 Speaker 3: off the chicken's frolicking in the yard. And then they 76 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:30,359 Speaker 3: let their chickens out and the chickens like, you know, 77 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 3: deadhead all their flowers and scratch up all their bulbs 78 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:38,480 Speaker 3: and you know, they just destroy everything. Yeah, yeah, yes, 79 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:40,720 Speaker 3: that was That was kind of like the impetus for 80 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 3: the book was saying, there is a better way you 81 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 3: can actually integrate them together and really enjoy it instead 82 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 3: of you know, cursing your chickens every day because they've 83 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 3: eaten all your pro use. 84 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:53,280 Speaker 2: And they said they hid their riggs, you can't find 85 00:04:53,320 --> 00:05:01,360 Speaker 2: them and that too. Yeah, tray eggs once. I don't 86 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 2: know if my dad talked to you about that. At 87 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 2: one point my brother had gone to UC Davis and 88 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 2: he came home with ideas, and I think my dad 89 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:14,279 Speaker 2: had already gotten into chickens. But you know, we we 90 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 2: were in wild lands, not well, we were on a hillside. 91 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 2: I'm trying to remember. It's so long ago, but we 92 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 2: did have we did actually try to keep chickens, but 93 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:27,159 Speaker 2: I think we just cooped them. We did not really 94 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 2: have an area where they could walk free. That's a 95 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:33,159 Speaker 2: huge deal. You know, we're talking about free range, but 96 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 2: we're talking about you know, there's a way to do it, 97 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:38,040 Speaker 2: and there's a way not to do it. You can't 98 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:40,039 Speaker 2: just let them out and let them roam around. They'll 99 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:43,719 Speaker 2: end up in their neighbors and the neighbors you know 100 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:48,279 Speaker 2: post on, yeah, post on next door? Is this your chicken? 101 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 2: I've seen that before. The coyotes, Oh my gosh. And 102 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:57,160 Speaker 2: there's so many predators. I mean, as I say I 103 00:05:57,240 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 2: have a cat, I mean he probably would have been 104 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 2: you know, swapped or pecked at multiple times and left 105 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 2: him alone. But at the same time, you know, because 106 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:09,360 Speaker 2: he's a smaller cat, thank god. But yeah, yeah, anyway, 107 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 2: I have had dreams. Now I'm in a place where 108 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 2: that dream is not going to happen. But that's okay, 109 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 2: it's all good. If I can get my son to 110 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:19,280 Speaker 2: try it once, I think that would be fun. 111 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 3: It's a great thing for me kids or young adults 112 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 3: or young families or you know. It really is a 113 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 3: fun thing to do. And I think I remember your 114 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:33,280 Speaker 3: dad talking about the chickens, and it is a fun 115 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 3: thing to do. It's a commitment and it takes some 116 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:40,160 Speaker 3: you know, some expense, some thoughts and co manning, but 117 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 3: I really do enjoy it. 118 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, it is, it is. It is definitely a synergistics 119 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:52,160 Speaker 2: type thing. So so the so the book, this book, 120 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 2: this book that I just got that's really really cool, 121 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 2: all right, is the tenth edition so you started writing 122 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:03,279 Speaker 2: or the first? Uh one came out in twenty sixteen? 123 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:04,360 Speaker 3: Was that sixteen? 124 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 2: Or was that not the first? That was the third? Confused? 125 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 3: So that yeah, that was actually my Yeah, that was 126 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 3: my third book, but it was the original Guarding the 127 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 3: Chickens came out ten years ago, and I got noticed 128 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 3: kind of ironically last year that it was going out 129 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 3: of print, which, you know, it's pretty normal for a 130 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:25,559 Speaker 3: ten year old book. Books don't have, you know, unless 131 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 3: it's like a tele two Cities or you know, the 132 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 3: Bible or whatever, because you don't ever have a uploaded 133 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 3: life ban So yeah, yeah, it was kind of a surprise, 134 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 3: but not really. And I said, you know, but this 135 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 3: book was reserves to live on. It was really sad. 136 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 3: It was my first one that was going to be 137 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 3: going out of print. And I found a publisher who 138 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 3: you know, wanted to republish it. And at first we 139 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 3: were just gonna because I didn't own the photos. You know, 140 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 3: I owned like the manuscript, but not the photos. So 141 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 3: when it reverted back to me, would a had to 142 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 3: take new pictures anyway, which I wanted to do anyway. 143 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 3: But I was just going to you know, clap a 144 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 3: new cover on and reprint it. And I started looking 145 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 3: through it and said, you know, I have ten more 146 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 3: years old arms now, yeah, you know, I've got more 147 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 3: that I can add to this book. Plus I wrote 148 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 3: it when we had just moved to Maine from Virginia, 149 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 3: so I now had ten years of like cold weather 150 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 3: experience and gardening in a completely different garden zone. So 151 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 3: we kind of stripped the book down to the studs 152 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 3: and then rebuilt it. So I think for people who 153 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 3: read the original book, first of all, if you read 154 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 3: it ten years ago, you're not gonna remember anyway. But 155 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 3: I don't think you would even recommend the same book 156 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:34,080 Speaker 3: because we changed so much, you know, And I think 157 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:38,440 Speaker 3: it's a lot more helpful, and I just incorporated another 158 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:40,960 Speaker 3: decade of learning, you know, which is so valuable. 159 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 2: Absolutely, No, I mean it's great. It's it's a first off. 160 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 2: I mean, not only is it a pretty book, yeah, 161 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 2: wonderful photos, absolutely beautiful, but it's incredibly educational. I mean, 162 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 2: not only is it about chickens obviously, and the wholes 163 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 2: action on chickens, on how to choose them and what 164 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 2: you should be looking for or possibly what you might want. 165 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 2: Maybe it is the color of the eggs, Maybe it 166 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:12,440 Speaker 2: is for fun, maybe it is for something else. But 167 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 2: not only that, it does go through poisonous plants, it 168 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:19,559 Speaker 2: goes through vegetable gardening, it goes through raised plant planting, 169 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 2: it goes through how to deter insects, you know, I 170 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 2: mean it's it's well and then of course predators, so 171 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 2: there's a it's very complete. I will tell you that 172 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:30,560 Speaker 2: did Thank you very much. That was beautiful. 173 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 3: You're welcome. I'm glad you said that, because I feel 174 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:36,079 Speaker 3: like I feel like a lot of people, like even 175 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 3: people who follow me on social media, they might not 176 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 3: have chickens, never going to be get chickens, but they 177 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 3: just like looking at them. So even for people who 178 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:46,439 Speaker 3: don't have chickens or want chickens, they can enjoy the 179 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 3: beautiful photographs and then take the gardening information with the book. 180 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:53,839 Speaker 2: Mm hmm exactly exactly, and you do an awful lot 181 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 2: of you know, you do other cages and such, you know, 182 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 2: just you know, say okay, all right, this will work 183 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:04,080 Speaker 2: for oh oh my goodness, this will also work for deer. 184 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 2: You know, when you've got a new plant that you're 185 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 2: putting in the garden, you can make what was the 186 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:11,680 Speaker 2: name of that thing, you called it, this little structure 187 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:15,080 Speaker 2: that's yes, yeah, exactly. 188 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's a good point because there's 189 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:21,840 Speaker 3: also like wild turkey's come by our gardens. You know, 190 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 3: we have raccoons and squirrels and there's all kinds of 191 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 3: things that you don't want to get at your garden. 192 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 3: So I think I think there is information in here 193 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 3: if you don't have chickens and you just are interested 194 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:33,720 Speaker 3: in the gardening information. 195 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 2: Absolutely, and also even go through partnering of course, yes, 196 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 2: exactly partner I was gonna say partnering vegetables. Yes. And 197 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:48,960 Speaker 2: the two people that are mostly featured in the book 198 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 2: are you and. 199 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:56,080 Speaker 3: Actually not even you know, Yeah, it's funny when flipping 200 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 3: through it, and I was like, amazing in this book, 201 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:05,720 Speaker 3: I'm actually at the the composting chapter, page one. But 202 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 3: you see, I had a friend and her mother in law. 203 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 3: They both have chickens and they have beautiful gardens and 204 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:13,680 Speaker 3: they live nearby. So we were, you know, doing the 205 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 3: photo shoot at all the different locations, and I was 206 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 3: more acting like like the director of the shoot, you know, 207 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:20,839 Speaker 3: I had the shot list to make sure that we 208 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 3: got all the shots we needed. And I didn't realize 209 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:26,080 Speaker 3: that I wasn't in very many of the photos until 210 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:27,679 Speaker 3: the book came out and I was like, wait, am 211 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:28,839 Speaker 3: I even in this book. 212 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 2: Which is really you had to really search, but yeah, yeah, 213 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 2: there you are. That's what I thought. You know, I'd 214 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 2: seen you because You're also on the cover of the 215 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 2: Homestead Living, which I want to talk about after the 216 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 2: break too. Yeah, we're going to go ahead and take 217 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 2: our break for the first break. We have three more, 218 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 2: two more. I can't count this morning, so fuzzy brain. 219 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:54,439 Speaker 2: All right, We'll be right back after these messages. If 220 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 2: anyone does have a question for Lisa, go ahead and 221 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:59,560 Speaker 2: feel free to dial in eight oh eight five six 222 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 2: zeros zero four one five area code eight to eight 223 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 2: five six zero zero. Be right back. 224 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 1: You're listening to Bob Danam in the Garden on Talk 225 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 1: Radio five sixty KSFO. 226 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:15,840 Speaker 2: And we have Lisa Steele gardening with chickens, planning, planting 227 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:20,440 Speaker 2: and harvesting with your flock. Anyway, that is very fun title. Okay, 228 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 2: So I did want to talk about this particular Homestead 229 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 2: Living because it came with the book, and I know 230 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 2: there's a connection there somewhere. Besides, you're on the cover, 231 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:32,440 Speaker 2: and of course they talk about your book in here. 232 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:38,239 Speaker 2: Do you also do other writing for this periodical? 233 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 3: I do. I did a lot of freelance writing early on, 234 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 3: and then I kind of started concentrating on books and 235 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 3: I've written seven seven books, two cookbooks. I'm working on 236 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 3: my third cookbook, so I've been kind of busy with that. 237 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 3: But I did say that's writing early on, and I 238 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 3: have started up again writing for Home Seldering magazine and 239 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:01,319 Speaker 3: they also they're publishing arm were the publishers of Garden 240 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:04,680 Speaker 3: with Chickens, Right, Okay, that's what I. 241 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 2: Was thinking, Yeah, yeah, got yeah, yeah, got that, because 242 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:11,839 Speaker 2: that's what I was looking at there. So who was 243 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:13,319 Speaker 2: your first publisher. 244 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:19,319 Speaker 3: I worked with the first, I looked Pardo out of Boston, 245 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 3: Color Voyager, and then my my cookbooks are with Harpercollin, 246 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 3: so I kind of pivoted to cookbooks. And in fact, 247 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:29,680 Speaker 3: my second cookook was coming out next month called In Season, 248 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 3: and it's all about seasonal fruits and vegetables. So it 249 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:36,439 Speaker 3: really worked so well with this book. You know, this 250 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:38,960 Speaker 3: Yere is kind of all about like growing things and 251 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 3: cooking with them and eating fresh locally, seasonally, you know, 252 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:44,439 Speaker 3: that whole thing. So that's that's pretty exciting. 253 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely. And of course it's I mean, 254 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 2: you know, we're out here in California. It's like, yeah, 255 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:56,080 Speaker 2: we're we're spoiled brass, that's what we are. With the 256 00:13:56,120 --> 00:14:00,720 Speaker 2: weather so different being in Maine and landing all of 257 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 2: that out. I mean, we're like, oh, well, let's just 258 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 2: start in February with our tomato seeds, you know, dot 259 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:10,840 Speaker 2: dot dot, and then you have to guess and wait. 260 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:14,199 Speaker 3: But yeah, we have on the ground the Memorial Day, 261 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:17,319 Speaker 3: so we have a while. I think a couple of 262 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 3: times though, And I'm so jealous when I see like 263 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 3: the citrus plants and people's front yards and we just 264 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 3: grow orange trees and lemon trees and pomegranates, which aren't citrus. 265 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 3: But that's what I'm jealous. I don't think anyway, but 266 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 3: it grows, and citrus is expensive, you know. You buy 267 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 3: a bag of lemons here and it's really expensive. So 268 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 3: I am jealous of the California weather. But I do 269 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 3: love snow. I'll stay here, that's. 270 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 2: All right, that's all right. I mean I've been to 271 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 2: the snow, oh my goodness. And we you know, we 272 00:14:56,640 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 2: are our learning experience is what's a hard frost, you know, 273 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 2: And that's when you actually lose those things that are 274 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 2: not supposed to be pros sensitive, you know, and then 275 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 2: all of a sudden boom and then you get, you know, 276 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 2: stuck with a drought and you just go what's next. 277 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 2: But yeah, so that's it. Like you say, gardening is 278 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 2: you're always paying attention to the weather and you're the good, 279 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 2: the bad, the ugly and trying to figure out what 280 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 2: you can do to exist with it, you know. And 281 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 2: of course with the chickens, it's it's another living being, 282 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 2: like you say in the book, very often it's part 283 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 2: of your family, and so it is something that you do. 284 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 2: You want to place them in the right place you 285 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 2: want to be. You want to be logical about where 286 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 2: they are and where the garden is. So that's what's 287 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 2: kind of cool about the book is that you really 288 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 2: go through every single detail of how to create the garden, 289 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 2: what type of things the chickens can handle, along with 290 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 2: not decimating your you know what you do want them 291 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 2: not to do, you know, But you also have as 292 00:15:56,920 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 2: I say, you also have a lot of garden planning 293 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 2: type of material out there, not just with chickens, but 294 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 2: just in every day you know, seasonal gardening. 295 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 3: Tim Yeah, you know, gardening is all about timing no 296 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 3: matter where you live, and understanding your weather. I mean, 297 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 3: I hate this is not a weather radio show, but 298 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 3: it really is about the weather, right, it is it's 299 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 3: about gardening. 300 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 2: And uh, you know, every every single episode, every episode, 301 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 2: I don't call them episodes every single week when I 302 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 2: am oving them on the radio, we always I always 303 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 2: mentioned the weather. It's an automatic thing for me, you know, 304 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 2: and what to do with that and what well that's yes, 305 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 2: sure you have okay, So you know, getting to the 306 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 2: part I had a chance to kind of glean through 307 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 2: the book. It's a really good books. You go through 308 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 2: predators and problems and that type of thing, which I 309 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 2: think is an extremely important to know. First off, obviously 310 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 2: you do list, you know, the type of plans that 311 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 2: are not good. So how to deal with wildlife that 312 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 2: may be predators? And I think that's something that people 313 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:10,760 Speaker 2: think of first off, is how are you going to 314 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:12,439 Speaker 2: put chickens out there? How are you going to let 315 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 2: them roam in an area but at the same time 316 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:19,760 Speaker 2: allowing them to be safe? Right, So tell us a 317 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 2: little bit about that. What's your thoughts about how I 318 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:24,200 Speaker 2: led that in there? 319 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I mean sadly, free ranging is never going 320 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:30,879 Speaker 3: to end well. If you do it long enough, you 321 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:32,640 Speaker 3: know you're bound to have a lot because it's near 322 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:35,920 Speaker 3: impossible to keep them safe. And I think people underestimate 323 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 3: dogs are the number one killer of backyard chickens because 324 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 3: people don't really look at them as a predator. You know, 325 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 3: you could have the friendliest dog who's great with your kids, 326 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:48,160 Speaker 3: let your chickens out, and the dog just thinks they're 327 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:51,920 Speaker 3: like squeak toys, you know, not the dog's fault, you know, yeah, 328 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:57,200 Speaker 3: or neighbors dogs. You know, there's talks, there's eagles, there's owls. 329 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:00,919 Speaker 3: You know, there's minks and weasels and fox and couty. 330 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:03,720 Speaker 3: I mean pretty much anything other than a bunny rabbit 331 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:08,119 Speaker 3: is going to eat your chickens, you know, So it's 332 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:10,399 Speaker 3: definitely their risk. But again most with the timing. You know, 333 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 3: like this time of year, you've got animals that have 334 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:16,440 Speaker 3: babies to feed. They're coming off a long winter, they're hungry, 335 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 3: so you know, they're coming out, they're being more bold, 336 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 3: they're looking for food, whereas in the middle of the 337 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:23,159 Speaker 3: summer there's not as much of a risk because you know, 338 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 3: their babies are kind of grown, they're you know, staying 339 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 3: in the woods or wherever they live there. You know, 340 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:30,159 Speaker 3: there's plenty of other food for them to eat. So 341 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 3: it's all about just just thinking about all these things 342 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 3: and trying to like get in the head of the 343 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:38,239 Speaker 3: predators and the head of your chickens. You know. I 344 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:41,880 Speaker 3: always tell people stay outside with them, like if you're gardening, 345 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 3: or if you're washing the car, or you know, having 346 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 3: a barbecue, let the chickens out. Then when you can 347 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:50,359 Speaker 3: be outside with them, now watch them. Don't let them 348 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:52,240 Speaker 3: out and then go to work, you know. 349 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, but there's also structures that you can move around 350 00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:59,480 Speaker 2: if you have more of an open space obviously, that 351 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:02,639 Speaker 2: keep them in that area for that day where they 352 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:05,360 Speaker 2: can munch on the ground and do what they want 353 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:09,720 Speaker 2: to do. And then you can move that structure camera 354 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 2: what was called I learned about it tractor, Yes, that's right. 355 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 2: Oh and the other thing too, well I don't want 356 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:20,080 Speaker 2: to get into that just yet, but I'll get into 357 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 2: that later. But yeah, so that was a good way 358 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:26,440 Speaker 2: to do it. And I think the the critters here, 359 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:31,120 Speaker 2: I mean, you know, coyotes are huge. Apparently they've decided 360 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:35,119 Speaker 2: to walk down the neighborhoods where I am in this 361 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 2: mobile home park during the day, which is scary, and 362 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 2: you know, so like did you see the pack? It's like, 363 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 2: what's the pack doing down here you can. You know, 364 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:49,399 Speaker 2: there's lots of hills. You always you hear them at 365 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:53,399 Speaker 2: night and it's everything's fine, but you know, the packs 366 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:56,040 Speaker 2: are are you don't really see. I mean the other 367 00:19:56,119 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 2: day we were coming home and we saw the everybody's 368 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:03,679 Speaker 2: been talking about it on next door, the mangy coyote, 369 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:06,919 Speaker 2: and it just like he just looks so terrible, you know, 370 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 2: and you just go, well, no one's getting out of 371 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 2: the car right now. That guy isn't going to attack you, 372 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:16,399 Speaker 2: but he's he's not safe to be around. But coyotes 373 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 2: are big. And then lately, mountain lions are all over California, 374 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 2: and that's something that's new as far as how many 375 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:29,440 Speaker 2: people have actually encountered them. I mean not new new, 376 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 2: but I mean they've been at Bay for years. Oh 377 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 2: my childhood never really worried about mountain lions, and now 378 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 2: they're in you know, living areas, so obviously you gotta 379 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:45,240 Speaker 2: work for them, right yeah, Oh yeah pairs. Well, yeah, 380 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 2: they're very very rare comparatively seen. There was that one 381 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 2: in Santa Selmo that decided that he was young, climbed 382 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:54,680 Speaker 2: up into a tree and that was that was quite 383 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:58,400 Speaker 2: the news story for a while, you know, and they're around, 384 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:00,919 Speaker 2: but there are a lot a lot more reticent to 385 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:05,119 Speaker 2: come into the areas where people are. I mean, you know, 386 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 2: it's like like aliens they stay away too, not alien people, 387 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 2: I mean aliens from space. Okay, but yes, exactly, you're 388 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:22,120 Speaker 2: with me on that, I can tell, you know, I am, okay. 389 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 2: So yeah, so it is kind of something that you 390 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:28,400 Speaker 2: kind of, you know, really have to watch for that. 391 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:32,959 Speaker 2: Owls are very prevalent here of course as well. And 392 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:37,399 Speaker 2: then there was something else I was thinking of that well, anyway, 393 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:40,200 Speaker 2: so that's what's yeah. Cool, all right, So we're talking 394 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:43,440 Speaker 2: to Lisa Steele Gardening with Chickens. We're going to be 395 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:47,440 Speaker 2: joining back with her after our next break here, and 396 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 2: I just wanted to let people know that this is 397 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 2: their tenth edition, absolutely fantastic book, and yeah, we're learning 398 00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:58,240 Speaker 2: a lot of stuff this morning, so if you have 399 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 2: any questions. Eight to eight five six zero zero. That's 400 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 2: four one five eight eight five six zero zero. We'll 401 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:05,440 Speaker 2: be right back. 402 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 1: You're listening to Bob Danam in the Garden on Talk 403 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 1: Radio five sixty KSFO, and. 404 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 2: Our guest is Lisa Steele. She is the author of 405 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:18,240 Speaker 2: a few books there and one of them is gardening 406 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 2: with Chickens. Two of them really anyway, if you can 407 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:26,879 Speaker 2: find the old copy, and also also the publicist right 408 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 2: is homestead Living. Is that right? No, I'm sorry, I'm 409 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 2: just kind of I have a lot of questions about that. Now. 410 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 2: You know what's kind of fun about this? This edition 411 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:42,480 Speaker 2: that you're in is the issue twenty five March April 412 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 2: twenty twenty six, So it's all nice and timely because 413 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:49,720 Speaker 2: this this tenth edition just came out for Gardening with Chickens. 414 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:52,159 Speaker 2: Is what's interesting is that they do talk about a 415 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:56,240 Speaker 2: few other birds of the feather and gardening with them. 416 00:22:56,280 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 2: And you said something about geese, did you? And my 417 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:04,679 Speaker 2: brain said that? And then I'm also looking in the 418 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:08,439 Speaker 2: magazine and they talk about ducks, so yes, yes, I 419 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:12,199 Speaker 2: grew up with ducks. So I just was trying to 420 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 2: figure out what is are they? Okay? Are ducks or 421 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 2: geese more damaging to the garden than chickens? How would 422 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:24,440 Speaker 2: you how would you rate the person that goes okay? 423 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:26,400 Speaker 2: And I want to get started? What do I do? 424 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:29,760 Speaker 2: And why am I doing it? What would you say? 425 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 3: Well? I actually I remember now talking to your dad 426 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:34,719 Speaker 3: when I've been on the show before about ducks and 427 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:38,119 Speaker 3: he loved his ducks, and I love my ducks. I 428 00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:41,840 Speaker 3: would say they're destructive, but in different ways. Ducks and 429 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:45,200 Speaker 3: geese are incredibly clumsy, and they have those big webbed 430 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 3: feets and they will trample things. Your chickens will sprat 431 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,400 Speaker 3: up at the dart and dig up your plants. Ducks 432 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:56,399 Speaker 3: will trample them. They also love to chew on stocks, 433 00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 3: so they'll like with my flowers, my vinas or whatever, 434 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 3: they'll to the stock until the plant. They do drill 435 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 3: down into the soil, you know, looking for worms and 436 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:08,439 Speaker 3: bugs and things, which is kind of good because it 437 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:14,120 Speaker 3: aerates the soil. So you know that's not terribly Dad. Yeah, 438 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:19,880 Speaker 3: I think are a little less destructive. Plus ducks eat 439 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:25,680 Speaker 3: grubs and slugs, which is a huge plus. But yeah, 440 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 3: they're all they're all pretty damaging to the garden, so 441 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:31,199 Speaker 3: they all have to be watched really carefully. 442 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:34,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know what it was with our ducks. 443 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 2: They they I don't remember fencing them in, but the 444 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:43,119 Speaker 2: nursery itself wasn't as large back then, so that area 445 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:45,439 Speaker 2: that we kept the ducks in, which was a pond 446 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:49,399 Speaker 2: area that they just would roam free. Was not a 447 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 2: growing ground yet. You know, we incorporated that much later, 448 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:55,800 Speaker 2: you know, in the history of the nursery, but that 449 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,679 Speaker 2: that first few years actually at the same time, we 450 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 2: had the playground for any kids that were visiting the nursery. 451 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 2: What a great idea that was. You know, we had 452 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:07,640 Speaker 2: swings which were all nice and dangerous, and we had 453 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 2: this and the slide which all heat up in the summer, 454 00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:12,399 Speaker 2: and you know, all that wonderfully you know metal stuff 455 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:16,359 Speaker 2: that we and then we also had the duck pond 456 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:18,680 Speaker 2: where people would come and of course feed our ducks, 457 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:23,359 Speaker 2: which of course is frowned upon now too, all the stuff. 458 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,119 Speaker 2: But yeah, so we kept the ducks and and uh, 459 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,440 Speaker 2: you know it was a big part of that that thing. 460 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:31,679 Speaker 2: I don't know what, I don't know what inspired my 461 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:35,080 Speaker 2: dad to do that. But again we moved on to 462 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:39,080 Speaker 2: chickens later, but still didn't have them, you know, roaming. 463 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:43,160 Speaker 2: So yeah, it's kind of interesting. I mean, I really 464 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:46,920 Speaker 2: hadn't even thought about this part of my upbringing until 465 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:50,880 Speaker 2: we started talking today. I had, it just didn't come 466 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:55,920 Speaker 2: to four. But that's great. So so yeah, go ahead. 467 00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:59,400 Speaker 3: So do say ducks are easy to distract also though, 468 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,280 Speaker 3: because they love water. So even if you just fill 469 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,200 Speaker 3: up a kiddie pool or a big tub for them, 470 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:06,639 Speaker 3: they're probably not going to be interested in the garden 471 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,240 Speaker 3: because they would rather just flash around and swim all day. 472 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 3: So they are easier to distract from, you know, wrecking 473 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 3: your garden, I would say, than chickens. They're not always 474 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 3: you know, off looking for for something to ruin. Yeah, 475 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:23,480 Speaker 3: that's what I would say. 476 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:26,159 Speaker 2: About, yeah, exactly. Yeah. And then of course then that 477 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:28,680 Speaker 2: then that brings up the dog story, which of course 478 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:31,960 Speaker 2: was the neighborhood roaming ah. They were Afghans. They were 479 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:36,159 Speaker 2: very large dogs, and we lost several ducks to that, 480 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:41,919 Speaker 2: to the dogs in the area. But I can't remember 481 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:44,639 Speaker 2: if we had a goose. We might have, I don't know. 482 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,879 Speaker 2: And then in college, I the reason I ended up 483 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:49,919 Speaker 2: with my first husband is because he grew up with 484 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:55,040 Speaker 2: geese and ducks. I'm like, how how does that happen 485 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:58,720 Speaker 2: in Arenda, which is an entirely different you know, Contra 486 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:02,919 Speaker 2: Costaica only versus in County. Anyway, So anyway, it was 487 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:06,879 Speaker 2: first Okay, so we're done with that, Oh my goodness. 488 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 2: But there was very rare you know, it's very rare 489 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:13,119 Speaker 2: to find anybody who had wait, there was horses, right, 490 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:16,639 Speaker 2: there's horses around, but any it was very rare to 491 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,720 Speaker 2: have anybody else who had ducks or geese or any 492 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:23,960 Speaker 2: of that experience, and you know, and it really was something. 493 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:27,480 Speaker 2: And then chickens are a different story. And not enough chickens, 494 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 2: you know, there really aren't enough people that are willing 495 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:33,200 Speaker 2: to take this. And I hope there's another resurgence. Now 496 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,040 Speaker 2: tell us, Okay, get a little five minutes before our 497 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:40,199 Speaker 2: next break. Let's talk about the chickens and how to 498 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:43,760 Speaker 2: keep them healthy. I mean, obviously with the gardening and 499 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:46,560 Speaker 2: all the rest of the different information that you cover 500 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:50,920 Speaker 2: very well in your book, there's some down there pitfalls, 501 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 2: would you you know, like like you know, your refluck 502 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:57,040 Speaker 2: gets taken out by a dog or whatever. To start 503 00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:59,360 Speaker 2: over and to keep them alive. 504 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:04,040 Speaker 3: You know, I mean, chickens are I mean, I'm not 505 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 3: going to say like they're overall healthy by nature, because 506 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,879 Speaker 3: there are a lot of respiratory illnesses and then you 507 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:12,719 Speaker 3: know it can spread through the whole flock. Plus you've 508 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,040 Speaker 3: got av and flu that's in the news, you know 509 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,879 Speaker 3: all the time. I think California for a while it 510 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:21,639 Speaker 3: was either Newcastle or something, so they couldn't ship birds 511 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,359 Speaker 3: in or out. So there are things that can, you know, 512 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:26,680 Speaker 3: get into your flock. But I mean I kind of 513 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,040 Speaker 3: always feel like if you feed them good quality food, 514 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:33,080 Speaker 3: give them a lot of garden scraps, kitchen scraps, fresh air, exercise, 515 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:35,879 Speaker 3: like kind of like we stay healthy. You know. I 516 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 3: give them some probiotics, I give them seake, help worthies, garlic. 517 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 3: I mean, it's just kind of the same things that 518 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 3: I do to keep our family healthy. I kind of 519 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:45,960 Speaker 3: apply to the chickens and it seems to work. 520 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:50,320 Speaker 2: So mhmm. Yeah. And you know, and then if there 521 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,240 Speaker 2: is an issue and you have to start over because 522 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 2: you've lost the flock, because that can happen, right, I mean, 523 00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,800 Speaker 2: that's not the end of the road. You just want 524 00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:03,160 Speaker 2: to start over, but also find out what happened and why. 525 00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:08,480 Speaker 2: So what are the pitfalls to to take a to 526 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:10,720 Speaker 2: take notice of? In other words, what do you need 527 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:14,720 Speaker 2: to do in order to clean after like the behavior 528 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 2: flu or one of those nasty buds. 529 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:20,680 Speaker 3: Yeah that I mean, fortunately I don't have you know, 530 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,959 Speaker 3: personal experience with it, but absolutely if you start losing 531 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:28,520 Speaker 3: block members. I would say, contact your vet, your state 532 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:33,040 Speaker 3: university poultry science department, a state you know lab or 533 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:36,000 Speaker 3: something and have a necroptcy done so you know exactly 534 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,320 Speaker 3: what happens. In some states, I think by law you 535 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 3: have to if a bird dies unexpectedly and it's not 536 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:43,920 Speaker 3: you know, like a predator or something, because they do 537 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:45,720 Speaker 3: want to contract of these things, and then you know 538 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:48,160 Speaker 3: exactly what you're dealing with, and then you can you know, 539 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,920 Speaker 3: read up on do I need to you know, like 540 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:52,760 Speaker 3: bleach the whole air. I mean, obviously you should clean 541 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:54,960 Speaker 3: out your whole coup and bleach it and scrub it 542 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:58,320 Speaker 3: and whatever. But sometimes the ground can be affected, you know, 543 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 3: and infected, and it might take you know, six months 544 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:03,440 Speaker 3: or eight months, or a lot of sunlighter, you know, 545 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,479 Speaker 3: a freezing temperature to get rid of whatever it was, 546 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,600 Speaker 3: the you know, infectious whatever that was in there. It 547 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,000 Speaker 3: can get into the soil. Some of them can live, 548 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:17,160 Speaker 3: you know, almost indefinitely. There are some vaccinations, so if 549 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:20,080 Speaker 3: it is something that you know the next batch could 550 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:24,200 Speaker 3: be vaccinated against, that's probably a good idea. But the 551 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 3: first step is to know exactly you know, people email 552 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:28,480 Speaker 3: me all the time, I chicken died. What could I 553 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 3: do differently what happens? I was like, I don't know, 554 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:34,240 Speaker 3: there's no way to know, you know, you get a 555 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 3: good bit like right, know what happened? Yeah? 556 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:44,640 Speaker 2: Absolutely. My producer wanted to know a little bit about eggs, 557 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:46,920 Speaker 2: and I know you do cover that very well in 558 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:50,160 Speaker 2: the book as well, a lot of it. Well you do. 559 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:53,720 Speaker 2: You talk about chicken varieties, you know, so and chicken 560 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:58,960 Speaker 2: eggs and what they the colors, and that's kind of cool. 561 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:01,440 Speaker 2: It's like, okay, here we are with the Eastern colorful eggs. Yeah, 562 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,600 Speaker 2: blah blah blah blah. Yeah, and how to choose the 563 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,560 Speaker 2: chickens that are strongest and and that type of thing. 564 00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:09,840 Speaker 2: So what would you recommend to somebody who really wants 565 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:14,080 Speaker 2: to go and get the right chicken for the right area, 566 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,600 Speaker 2: you know, and what kind of eggs you can get 567 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:18,760 Speaker 2: from the chickens. 568 00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:23,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny because my grandparents, all the chickens they 569 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,480 Speaker 3: raised laid brown eggs like that was pretty honey on 570 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 3: farms because no one the chickens that tend to you know, 571 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:31,160 Speaker 3: they could use them for duel purpose if they want 572 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:32,720 Speaker 3: to eat the chicken when it gets a little older, 573 00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,080 Speaker 3: you know, they're big enough whatever. So I grew up 574 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,880 Speaker 3: on brown eggs. I never really saw white eggs until 575 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:40,520 Speaker 3: like I would go to friend's houses for you know, sleepovers, 576 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:42,480 Speaker 3: and I'm like, why are we eating white eggs? That's weird. 577 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:48,320 Speaker 3: You know they bought, Yeah, there's were store bought. I 578 00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:52,000 Speaker 3: had no idea. Then I saw matchers after we started 579 00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:53,760 Speaker 3: raising chickens, Like as an adult, I just got all 580 00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:55,760 Speaker 3: chickens that laid brown eggs because that's what I was 581 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:59,840 Speaker 3: used to. And I saw Martha Stewart's show and she 582 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:03,280 Speaker 3: had chickens that laid blue eggs, and I literally had 583 00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:06,080 Speaker 3: no idea, Like I had grown up our own chickens, 584 00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:08,840 Speaker 3: I had no idea there were chickens that laid blue eggs. 585 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:10,120 Speaker 3: So then I was on a mission. I was like, 586 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,120 Speaker 3: I want blue, and I want green, and I want 587 00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:15,040 Speaker 3: you know, pinkish, and I want dark brown, and you know, 588 00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 3: so I spent the next couple of years adding different 589 00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:21,120 Speaker 3: breeds that laid those different color eggs and very apropos 590 00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:24,480 Speaker 3: for Easter. You know, it is very it is very 591 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,800 Speaker 3: easy to you know, you don't have to stick to 592 00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,320 Speaker 3: one breath of chicken. Like they all pretty much get along. 593 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:31,280 Speaker 3: You know, some are more aggressive or some are more 594 00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:33,560 Speaker 3: more meek, but for the most part, chickens are all 595 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,120 Speaker 3: going to get along. So you go get a catalog 596 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,160 Speaker 3: or look online at a hatchery and you pick out, 597 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,040 Speaker 3: you know, either of the chickens that you like the 598 00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:42,760 Speaker 3: looks of the chicken or you like the color of 599 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:46,840 Speaker 3: the egg. Unless you live in a super cold or 600 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:51,880 Speaker 3: a super hot environment, pretty much all chickens do well anywhere. 601 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,000 Speaker 3: And I'm not even talking Maine as cold. I mean, 602 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:58,080 Speaker 3: like Fiberia is cold. You know, chickens are. 603 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:00,160 Speaker 2: Very Maine is cold. 604 00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:07,880 Speaker 3: Breathe it is, but not a chicken. Chickens from Virginia 605 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:12,040 Speaker 3: and they do fine, you know. So I'm talking like 606 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:15,240 Speaker 3: extreme extreme. Most animals do well and you know, pretty 607 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 3: temperate fineus. But if you live somewhere that it's extremely 608 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,120 Speaker 3: hot in the summer, you might want to look at 609 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,200 Speaker 3: some of the breeds that do better in you know, 610 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:25,760 Speaker 3: there are heat tolerant tend to be from the Mediterranean, yeah, Arizona, 611 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,160 Speaker 3: somewhere like that. You just don't want to have to 612 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:30,480 Speaker 3: struggle or want the animals to struggle, you know, So 613 00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,760 Speaker 3: think about your client, and it's very easy to find. 614 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:36,680 Speaker 3: I think it's in the book, even information on heat 615 00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:39,920 Speaker 3: tolerant and cold hearty breeds. You know that that should 616 00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,080 Speaker 3: be something you do take into consideration. 617 00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:47,080 Speaker 2: Absolutely, So if somebody wanted to get do you have 618 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:52,240 Speaker 2: any connection with the magazine besides your publicist? You know, like, 619 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:55,640 Speaker 2: where can people get I mean, it's a mailed version. 620 00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:58,960 Speaker 2: This day and age, you don't walk into stores and 621 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:02,840 Speaker 2: see stuff like this unless you're in an attractor store. 622 00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:09,000 Speaker 3: I don't know. But go to their website and you 623 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,960 Speaker 3: can subscribe. I mean, it's a beautiful magazine. They it's 624 00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,200 Speaker 3: nice and sick, and the paper is great, and the 625 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,319 Speaker 3: articles are great. I mean, it's it's just a really 626 00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:19,360 Speaker 3: beautiful magazine. I would say, probably go to the website 627 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:23,120 Speaker 3: and you can subscribe to it and get it mailed 628 00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,399 Speaker 3: to you. I think there's also a digital version that's 629 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:26,560 Speaker 3: probably a little bit less. 630 00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:29,799 Speaker 2: It might be it might be. Yeah. I kind of 631 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:31,960 Speaker 2: like things you can hold in your hand, but only 632 00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:33,239 Speaker 2: until I forget where they are. 633 00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,520 Speaker 3: I love, yeah, books and magazine. I like the print 634 00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:41,640 Speaker 3: print editions. 635 00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:45,120 Speaker 2: Definitely, Homestead Living is the magazine we're talking about. So 636 00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,840 Speaker 2: I was trying to find a website at Reference but 637 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:50,680 Speaker 2: we'll figure that out in a minute. All right, we'll 638 00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:52,879 Speaker 2: be back after our last break eight to eight five 639 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:56,080 Speaker 2: six zero zero. In case you need a last minute question. 640 00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:58,319 Speaker 2: Eight to eight five six year zero four one five 641 00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:00,759 Speaker 2: area code. We'll be back right after this. 642 00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:04,040 Speaker 1: You're listening to Bob Tanam in the Garden on Talk 643 00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:06,440 Speaker 1: Radio five sixty KSFO. 644 00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:10,880 Speaker 2: Welcome back to Bob Tanam, Bob Tannam in the Garden 645 00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:14,920 Speaker 2: with Edie Tannem and our guest Lisa Steele. So I 646 00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:19,920 Speaker 2: was looking up the website homestead I wasn't. My producer was. 647 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:22,280 Speaker 2: He was so quick at that. But it is homestead 648 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,560 Speaker 2: living dot com. So if you are thinking of getting 649 00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:30,319 Speaker 2: into farming, learning a little bit more about recipes, there's 650 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:32,879 Speaker 2: all sorts of fun stuff in the magazine, of course, 651 00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:36,920 Speaker 2: you know, anyway, more fun stuff, okay, anyway, So Lisa 652 00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:40,720 Speaker 2: is the author of the gardening Gardening with Chickens, Planning, 653 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:45,320 Speaker 2: Planting and Harvesting with your Flock and Fresh Eggs Daily. 654 00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:49,000 Speaker 2: Tell us a little bit about what is fresh eggs 655 00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:51,360 Speaker 2: dailies at your company or what do you call that? 656 00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, when I first started with chickens, I you know, 657 00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:58,160 Speaker 3: started a business page on Facebook, because you know, all 658 00:35:58,160 --> 00:35:59,719 Speaker 3: my friends did not want to see all my chicken 659 00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:01,719 Speaker 3: pictures on my personal page, and I just kind of 660 00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:05,520 Speaker 3: named it for the Daily, and that became the name 661 00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:08,360 Speaker 3: of my first book. It became the Fresh Egged Daily Cookbook, 662 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,279 Speaker 3: and I kind of used the brand name, so you know, 663 00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:14,439 Speaker 3: all across social media if you just look up Fresh 664 00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:16,160 Speaker 3: Egged Daily, that is me. 665 00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:21,200 Speaker 2: Cool. Okay, great. And then the other thing I wanted 666 00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,520 Speaker 2: to talk about, which I would have talked about earlier 667 00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:25,800 Speaker 2: if I had remembered, because my brain is a little scattered, 668 00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:31,319 Speaker 2: is the is this all right? So you got an 669 00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:37,320 Speaker 2: egg carton you get those fairly regularly if you buy eggs, 670 00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:39,319 Speaker 2: But if you don't buy eggs and you do most 671 00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,239 Speaker 2: of your own growing, is there a source that you 672 00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,520 Speaker 2: have for I don't want to talk about that. What 673 00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:46,200 Speaker 2: I wanted to talk about was how you seed using 674 00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:50,480 Speaker 2: the eggshell that's in a few different spots there in 675 00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:52,960 Speaker 2: the middle of the book and beyond, and I thought, 676 00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:55,799 Speaker 2: what a cute idea. And you just poke a hole 677 00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,160 Speaker 2: in the bottom of the egg shell that you have 678 00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:03,080 Speaker 2: cracked open and it's cleaned out, and then you plant. 679 00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:05,560 Speaker 2: You put your little potting soil in there and then 680 00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:07,440 Speaker 2: you put your seeds in there, and then you can 681 00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:12,279 Speaker 2: plant that whole thing into the garden and it'll dissolve. Interesting. 682 00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's you know what, it's a super fun thing 683 00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:19,000 Speaker 3: to do with kids. You know, just like you said, 684 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:22,000 Speaker 3: you plant in the eggshell. And to answer your first question, yes, 685 00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,840 Speaker 3: you can buy egg cartons online if you just search, 686 00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:26,520 Speaker 3: you know, egg carton to sail and you can get 687 00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:30,000 Speaker 3: the nice like corrugated cardboard or whatever they are, and 688 00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:32,399 Speaker 3: you put your little eggshells in that and water them 689 00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:34,560 Speaker 3: and then yeah, you just kind of when your little 690 00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:37,799 Speaker 3: plant starts to grow and you're ready to move it outside, 691 00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:39,920 Speaker 3: you don't need to worry about, you know, popping it 692 00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,799 Speaker 3: out of a little plastic container or whatever. You can 693 00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:45,960 Speaker 3: use that whole shell, you know, right into the ground. 694 00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:47,719 Speaker 3: You know, I kind of break it up with my 695 00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:50,120 Speaker 3: fingers a little so the roots don't have trouble. But 696 00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:53,240 Speaker 3: it provides some nice calcium, you know, into the soil, 697 00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:54,840 Speaker 3: and it's it's just kind of a fun thing to 698 00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:57,359 Speaker 3: do to recycle your eggshells. 699 00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:02,920 Speaker 2: That's fast that you obviously I kind of cleaned on 700 00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:06,759 Speaker 2: that it's in here. And then you talk about you 701 00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:12,040 Speaker 2: talk about so many things in your book. I mean 702 00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:17,520 Speaker 2: there's even a section on wood ash. Yeah. No, right, 703 00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:23,520 Speaker 2: it's not a very right I mean exactly. 704 00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:27,120 Speaker 3: People think it's like, you know, encyclopedia, but it's like 705 00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:31,440 Speaker 3: too much. It's very streamlined. I just give you the 706 00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:33,680 Speaker 3: information you need to now you. 707 00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:36,919 Speaker 2: Know, h absolutely, and you covered you do, you really 708 00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:41,160 Speaker 2: really do cover so many things from well, you know 709 00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:42,799 Speaker 2: here I go back to the picture of the owl. 710 00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,080 Speaker 2: I don't know why I'm attracted to that page. It's 711 00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:50,840 Speaker 2: page one thirty anyway, Yeah, the owl, that's ther deterrent owl. 712 00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:55,879 Speaker 2: That's not the real owl, that's the deterrent And yeah, 713 00:38:55,920 --> 00:39:00,799 Speaker 2: and then the other thing too. Obviously, chickens don't fly right, 714 00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:06,200 Speaker 2: but you're when you do, put like a chicken tractor, 715 00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:09,160 Speaker 2: you know, over the area like you're gonna that you 716 00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:11,879 Speaker 2: can move like it's a tent basically that's made out 717 00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:15,760 Speaker 2: of wire kind of, and you can move it around 718 00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:19,560 Speaker 2: and allow the chickens to go out but be protected 719 00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:22,879 Speaker 2: from the other. But what if you did leave them out, 720 00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:25,680 Speaker 2: like you're cleaning your you're washing your cart or something 721 00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:28,000 Speaker 2: like that, and you're you're out there with the chickens. 722 00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:32,279 Speaker 2: They don't get up on things very quickly, right, I mean, 723 00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:33,480 Speaker 2: they don't jump. 724 00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:41,080 Speaker 3: Especially when they're younger, the later breeds and younger ones. 725 00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:43,959 Speaker 3: They could get up onto the roof of your coop, 726 00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:46,080 Speaker 3: or they could get over like a four foot fence 727 00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:49,799 Speaker 3: or a maybe a five foot sense if they're really determined. 728 00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:52,360 Speaker 3: I mean, for the most person, they stay on the ground, 729 00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:55,640 Speaker 3: you know, if they get startled, or if you just 730 00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,080 Speaker 3: have some that are just jerks and you just you 731 00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:00,719 Speaker 3: don't want to fly up at the trees. I've had 732 00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:03,200 Speaker 3: to retrieve chickens out of trees with a step ladder too, 733 00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:05,880 Speaker 3: But I mean they can't fly to your Chickens are 734 00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:08,799 Speaker 3: not going to fly away, you know, right, they can 735 00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:10,960 Speaker 3: kind of flutter and flap and get on you know, 736 00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,240 Speaker 3: they could sit on the top of your car or whatever. 737 00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:19,399 Speaker 2: Kind of like turkeys. Turkeys I've seen, you know, there's 738 00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,759 Speaker 2: the the lookout turkey that gets actually pretty darn high 739 00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:26,239 Speaker 2: up into the trail. Bigger birds, but they do fly 740 00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:29,960 Speaker 2: a little bit, but they generally are yeah turkeys. Anyway, 741 00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:33,120 Speaker 2: we have a lot of wild turkeys here and there 742 00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:35,359 Speaker 2: is I mean there's one that gets way up into 743 00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:39,919 Speaker 2: a tree that is the lookout turkey. And the rest 744 00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,279 Speaker 2: of them are running all over the place. But as 745 00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:44,759 Speaker 2: long as that lookout turkey can see them, I think 746 00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:47,080 Speaker 2: it's safe. But I hope chickens don't do that. I mean, 747 00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,160 Speaker 2: that's yeah, it. 748 00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:55,600 Speaker 3: Would be smart. But I've heard I've never done it, 749 00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:59,239 Speaker 3: but I've heard turkeys are very smart and turkey hunters 750 00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,759 Speaker 3: but like you have to outsmart the turkeys that they 751 00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:06,560 Speaker 3: are intelligent and observant, and they're actually pretty hard to hunt. 752 00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:12,479 Speaker 2: So fun fact, it's funny how you know it's one well, 753 00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:14,719 Speaker 2: I mean, I think just wild turkeys are always going 754 00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:19,440 Speaker 2: to be laying their eggs only for reproduction, obviously, but 755 00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,120 Speaker 2: I can say the stupidest things at this point. But anyway, 756 00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:25,680 Speaker 2: you know, not knowing more than that, you know that 757 00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:30,880 Speaker 2: they will they will block traffic in my neighborhood for 758 00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:33,360 Speaker 2: a good ten minutes, you know, out in the morning 759 00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,799 Speaker 2: that you'll get like I've seen flocks here, probably at 760 00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:40,680 Speaker 2: least thirty turkeys all at once. And you know, no, 761 00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:44,799 Speaker 2: wonder those packs of coyotes. You know, those two things 762 00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:47,120 Speaker 2: do not ever occur at the same time. But you know, 763 00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:50,600 Speaker 2: and then we also have our rabbits, so quite a 764 00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:53,799 Speaker 2: lot of wildlife here that is uh there, and there's 765 00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:57,000 Speaker 2: no you know, we're not farms out here, We're just 766 00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:59,959 Speaker 2: a set of mobile homes that's in a protected area. 767 00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:00,480 Speaker 1: Yeah. 768 00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:02,839 Speaker 2: I love it here. I mean I moved into where 769 00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:06,120 Speaker 2: my dad and my mom lived for since two thousand 770 00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:09,279 Speaker 2: and so it was kind of like this change that 771 00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:13,040 Speaker 2: went through from having a you know, a regular suburban 772 00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:15,280 Speaker 2: house you know that had a backyard that was bigger 773 00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:18,880 Speaker 2: than the neighbors and wanted to do chickens there. And 774 00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:22,000 Speaker 2: that's what was my big thing, was to do chickens, 775 00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:24,240 Speaker 2: and I just never got to it because I thought 776 00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:26,880 Speaker 2: you could just put the chickens in a little hutch 777 00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:30,279 Speaker 2: and be done with it, you know, only were they 778 00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:32,080 Speaker 2: lay the eggs, you know, which is kind of what 779 00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:34,719 Speaker 2: my dad had done. I hadn't even thought about that. 780 00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:38,320 Speaker 2: And they'll lay eggs for a while, but then something 781 00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:41,239 Speaker 2: will happen and then won't be healthy. And I think that's 782 00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:44,040 Speaker 2: huge where if you don't know enough about the chickens 783 00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:46,719 Speaker 2: and how to keep them alive, then you can't get 784 00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:49,720 Speaker 2: any of the rest of the benefits of well sharing 785 00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:50,840 Speaker 2: the poop, you know. 786 00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:57,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 787 00:42:57,960 --> 00:42:59,920 Speaker 2: You want a little space for them to move around, 788 00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,160 Speaker 2: but that tractor idea is a good one. And then 789 00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:08,480 Speaker 2: also those cloach cloach, Yeah, those little cages you can 790 00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:10,080 Speaker 2: put over the plants that you don't want them to 791 00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:13,799 Speaker 2: eat or if they're you know, plants they shouldn't be near. 792 00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:16,200 Speaker 2: And there is a section also in your book about 793 00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:19,040 Speaker 2: poisonous plants, so I wanted to bring that up as well. 794 00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:21,759 Speaker 2: And we're just about out of time, of course, but 795 00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:24,280 Speaker 2: I wanted everyone to know, okay, so we can follow 796 00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:28,480 Speaker 2: you wherever we get fresh eggs daily. Lisa Steele is 797 00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:32,719 Speaker 2: the author Yep, Gardening with Chickens is this book that 798 00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,720 Speaker 2: we're holding, but she has other cookbooks and other books.