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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the show, fueled by Hennybee's Hot Chicken,

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Speaker 1: the best hot chicken in the world. Speaking of the best,

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Speaker 1: Greg co Cell of NFL Films is hanging out at

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Speaker 1: Radio Row right now the side of Super Bowl sixty

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Speaker 1: and San Francisco.

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Speaker 2: Greg.

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Speaker 1: Robert tells me you're holding court. You're signing autographs and

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Speaker 1: babies foreheads and a number of other things.

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Speaker 3: I know I'm kissing babies. You know, you know how

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Speaker 3: it goes down here at Radio Row. You've been here before.

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Speaker 1: I have, indeed, and I told Robert, you don't understand

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Speaker 1: Greg co Cell is the mayor of Radio Row. When

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Speaker 1: he walks in this place, everybody pays tribute to the king.

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Speaker 3: That's how it goes well, you know, it's it's funny

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Speaker 3: you say that because you know I told this to

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Speaker 3: my wife. I guess yesterday that so many people came

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Speaker 3: up to me yesterday, And you know, it's such a

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Speaker 3: weird feeling for me, because you know, you know what

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Speaker 3: I do. I just go and I grind and I

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Speaker 3: grind and I grind, and you know, obviously I do stuff,

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Speaker 3: but it's it's it's so strange, you know, players come

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Speaker 3: up to me and they have to introduce themselves because

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Speaker 3: you know, I don't know players faces necessarily us they're

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Speaker 3: on TV, So.

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Speaker 4: You know, I got to admit it felt pretty good. Buck,

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Speaker 4: You know, I know it, buddy.

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Speaker 1: You can hang out with Greg and I on normal

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Speaker 1: occasions Thursday mornings when we take the install we're doing

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Speaker 1: a little bit of a live episode just because the

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Speaker 1: time change, and Greg has been kind enough to accommodate us.

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Speaker 2: Go ahead, Lucas well.

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Speaker 4: Greg.

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Speaker 5: It's certainly not the super Bowl that most would have

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Speaker 5: predicted at the start of the season. It's part of

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Speaker 5: what makes it so intriguing, right, Sam Darnold and the Seahawks,

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Speaker 5: Mike Rabel and the resurgent Patriots. What to you at

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Speaker 5: first glance was the most interesting matchup of this Super

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Speaker 5: Bowl coming up on Sunday, you.

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Speaker 4: Know, Lucas, I gotta tell you.

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Speaker 3: And again, we saw that nickim and Warry got hurt yesterday,

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Speaker 3: and at this point, I guess we don't really know

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Speaker 3: what the status is and they'll probably be pretty closed

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Speaker 3: mouth about it, certainly today, but assuming he plays, I

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Speaker 3: almost look at this game and I get a defensive

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Speaker 3: feel to it more than an offensive feel. And in

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Speaker 3: this era of you know, everything driven by the quarter offense.

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Speaker 3: But that's that's the feel that I get. I mean,

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Speaker 3: these are two really good defenses. There's been a lot

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Speaker 3: forefront of what has become a big trend in the league,

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Speaker 3: which is what we call big nickel, meaning you play

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Speaker 3: with three safeties and two linebackers essentially is your base

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Speaker 3: defense and your nickel defense. But the Patriots defense is

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Speaker 3: really good, and it's just they don't necessarily have a

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Speaker 3: defensive tackles, Barmore and Williams really good, Spelane a really

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Speaker 3: good linebacker. I loved watching their two safeties on tape

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Speaker 3: you probably couldn't name their two safeties. One's a rookie

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Speaker 3: but I kind of look at this game and get

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Speaker 3: a defensive field. Now, you never know about turnover short

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Speaker 3: I would find it hard to believe that you're gonna

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Speaker 5: Well, and you look at the defenses that the Patriots

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Speaker 5: that they've matched up with, against Houston, against Denver in

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Speaker 5: the ANFC Championship, and now against Mike McDonald and Seattle.

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Speaker 5: Drake May has not necessarily stolen the show in these teams.

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Speaker 5: It's under the snow right in Denver and they've gotten by.

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Speaker 5: They have found ways to win. But how impressed have

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Speaker 3: But you know, he did have a terrific year. I

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Speaker 1: Greg Cosell of NFL Films here with us on one

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Speaker 1: four to five Zone helping us out with a little

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Speaker 1: bit of a live install from Radio Row in San Francisco,

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Speaker 1: where the Super Bowl will of course take place. Greg,

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Speaker 1: it and what Sam Darnold, yeah, Clinton Kubiak are going

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Speaker 1: changes from the Patriots for their regular season performance and

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Speaker 3: man coverage with a single high safety, and they've blitzed

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Speaker 3: Now I would just you don't know, but I would

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Speaker 1: How impressive has Kenneth Walker been throughout the course of

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Speaker 2: Understanding that the.

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Speaker 1: Yeah to lose Charbonney for any amount of time hurt

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Speaker 1: Kenneth Walker has still shown up in great moments. Just

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Speaker 1: from a trade standpoint, Greg, the way that the dudes

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm glad you use the word dirty, because I

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Speaker 1: is own. We're talking about the Super Bowl, Darnold coming

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Speaker 1: off on his best performances in his career, Greg, especially

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Speaker 1: given the stakes you mentioned the run game, and how

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Speaker 2: You always want balance in the offense.

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Speaker 1: This is something that we've talked about a lot through

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Speaker 1: the context of the Titans, how much teams are leaning

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Speaker 2: YEA. To the way that these teams have advanced.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think there's two parts to that. Number One,

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Speaker 3: I think is the use of personnel. You're dealing with

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Speaker 4: And I think the Seahawks do a.

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Speaker 3: Really good job of that, particularly when they get single

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Speaker 3: this is a game where you're going to see a

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Speaker 3: lot of base personnel snaps on both sides for Donald.

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Speaker 1: Just how I mean, is it just an execution thing, Greg,

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Speaker 1: Sam Donald play any single game in his career, again,

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Speaker 3: But I think people lose sight of how gifted physically

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Speaker 3: part of The seahawks. Offense he can get out of

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Speaker 3: You're dealing with a guy that has really higher level physical.

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Speaker 1: Man Greg cosell here with us on what a four is,

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Speaker 1: on joining us fortunately From Radio. Row he will also

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Speaker 2: Appearance.

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Speaker 5: Greg we were talking about this. Yesterday if The seahawks

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Speaker 5: win this game On, Sunday mike McDonald will become the

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Speaker 5: first ever defensive play calling head coach to win A Super.

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Speaker 2: Bowl is That i'll know.

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Speaker 5: THAT i was gonna, say how surprised are you by?

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Speaker 5: McDonald has done in two.

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Speaker 3: Years you, know it almost plays off lucas Something buck,

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Speaker 3: SAID i feel like in THE nfl this, Year and

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Speaker 3: this is totally, Anecdotal so someone could have stats and, say,

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Speaker 3: well you're, Wrong So i'm just giving you. Anecdotal you,

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Speaker 3: Know twitter will greg, RIGHT i know exactly. Exactly SO

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Speaker 3: i feel like As i've watched THE nfl this, year

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Speaker 3: a certain, extent BUT i feel like that there's been

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Speaker 3: Anecdotal i'm not going to sit here and recite. NUMBERS

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Speaker 3: numbers as you guys, know can be used to really

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Speaker 3: like there's been you, know a little more focus On,

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Speaker 3: hey the run game is, important and that defense has

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Speaker 5: Multiple we're gonna have the discussion later today on the

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Speaker 5: best moments In Super bowl. History for, You greg Co,

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Speaker 5: stell what comes to mind as one of the best

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Speaker 3: History, well the first thing that popped into my head

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Speaker 3: Super bowl since nineteen ninety. Two SO i also remember

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Speaker 3: the game where you guys will remember this where.

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Speaker 4: Whether the whether The titans then or The.

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Speaker 3: OILERS i can't remember The titans when he AND i

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Speaker 3: i WAS i was directing our OUR iso camera in that,

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Speaker 3: LIKE i Nailed Isaac bruce's seventy six yard.

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Speaker 4: TOUCHDOWN i icoed On.

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Speaker 3: Bruce so that GAME i remember really well BECAUSE i

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Speaker 3: See prince at halftime BECAUSE i just had to get

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Speaker 1: Game, greg we so appreciate the, time enjoy the week out,

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Speaker 1: there and we'll look forward to your THREE hl visit

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Speaker 1: later this.

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Speaker 4: Afternoon all, right, guys appreciate.

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Speaker 1: It. Thanks that's the main man mayor Of Radio, Row Greg.

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Speaker 1: Cosell imagine directing A Super bowl just. Casually greg has

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Speaker 5: Alive, yeah that's. Absurd, oh to Miss prince because of

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Speaker 1: TOUGH i feel LIKE i don't know If greg's ever

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Speaker 1: Seen Prince, Live Big music, guy COSE i should have

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Speaker 1: asked him his favorite halftime.

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Speaker 2: Show you probably should, have although that was a good.

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Speaker 1: TWENTY i believe eleven. Twenty we're going to talk about

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Speaker 1: our favorite Super bowl. Moments Spoiler cosell's the one that

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Speaker 1: i think that says jaw dropping a Super bowl. EXPERIENCE

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Speaker 1: it feels like these teams are more evenly matched from

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Speaker 1: an execution standpoint than the talent level would indicate that

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Speaker 1: the Super. Bowl you understand that The patriots have had

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Speaker 1: some things break in their favor more than The seahawks

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Speaker 2: TO i mean The seahawks haven't had. To they dominated the.

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Speaker 6: The browns about raising all of these young rookie quarterbacks underneath.

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Speaker 6: HIM i thought he gave a very poignant answer to.

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Speaker 6: This his answer on this is is the league going?

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Speaker 6: Soft could guys nowadays play even fifteen years? Ago Joe

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Speaker 6: flacco has reached old man on porch stage of his.

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Speaker 2: Life All, right we look

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Speaker 1: Forward To Joe flacco shaking his fist at the sky

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Speaker 1: coming up next