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Speaker 1: All right back on sports Phone KMBR with Bill Laski

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Speaker 1: after the Giants go to San Diego and take two

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Speaker 1: out of three, the first game of the seven game

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Speaker 1: homestand they beat the Mets yesterday seven to two. Tonight

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Speaker 1: a disturbing loss as they lose ten to three, and

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Speaker 1: they fell behind in the first inning, fell farther and

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Speaker 1: behind in the fourth inning. Next to no no, there

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Speaker 1: was five nothing, and Nolan McClain was dealing for fifteen

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Speaker 1: up and fifteen downs. So we're going to talk more

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Speaker 1: about this game with my buddy Steve Cronery. He's right

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Speaker 1: for Associated Press. He's still at the ballpark. Steve. How

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Speaker 1: are you tonight?

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Speaker 2: No, I'm doing okay. How are you, sir?

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Speaker 1: I'm good. I just want to know Nolan McLain on

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Speaker 1: television was really lights out for fifteen up, fifteen down,

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Speaker 1: even though he fell behind on a couple guys. Three, Oh,

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Speaker 1: he came back and got him. What did you see

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Speaker 1: out of him tonight?

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Speaker 2: We'll tell you more than what I saw. I did

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Speaker 2: get into the news conference postgame with Carlos Mendoza, the

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Speaker 2: Mets manager, and Carlos said, you know, really he didn't

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Speaker 2: have his great stuff. But he had a great cutter,

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Speaker 2: and so even when he fell behind, his cutter was

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Speaker 2: so good that he was able to from fall overcome

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Speaker 2: falling behind the hitters with the cutter and fifteen up,

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Speaker 2: fifteen down. And there were a couple of balls that

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Speaker 2: were hit hard. I think Bader hit a fairly hard

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Speaker 2: ball to third that Bashett made a decent play on,

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Speaker 2: and Devers hit a line drive. But other than that,

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Speaker 2: there really weren't many balls hit very hard against McLean.

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Speaker 2: He looked like the real deal.

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Speaker 1: Well McLain threw ended up throwing ninety three pitches, but

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Speaker 1: he only had sixty seven pitches through five innings, and

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Speaker 1: when you start looking at what he threw, and sinkers

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Speaker 1: was a major pitch of his twenty five and then,

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Speaker 1: like you said, the cutter at nineteen and the straight

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Speaker 1: fastball for nineteen. He really more or less is overpowered

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Speaker 1: than giants. He really didn't mix much after that. A

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Speaker 1: sweeper was an off peach speed pitch, and a change jump.

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Speaker 1: He only threw six of them, so I think he

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Speaker 1: was really going hard stuff against him and it worked.

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Speaker 1: You know. The other thing I was talking about, Steve

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Speaker 1: was Charlie Ramos the homeplate umpire really squeezed both sides tonight.

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Speaker 1: It was a real tight zone, and I think that's

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Speaker 1: where Tyler Mayley in that first inning was trying to try.

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Speaker 1: He had to groove some pitches and he fell behind

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Speaker 1: and they really took advantage of him.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'll give props to my son Tom, because he

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Speaker 2: texted me at some point during the game, not in

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Speaker 2: the first but a couple of innings after, and he said,

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Speaker 2: was Maley getting squeezed in the first inning? Well, you

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Speaker 2: probably can see it on TV sometimes better than we

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Speaker 2: can see it from the press box. So maybe Tom

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Speaker 2: and you were right, maybe he was getting squeezed a

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Speaker 2: little bit.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it sure looked like it, you know. And of

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Speaker 1: course Patrick Bailey did jump on one and it didn't

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Speaker 1: turn over. And then you're stuck with it because you

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Speaker 1: only get two challenges on the abs and you sure

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Speaker 1: can't just challenge balls and strikes when you did it

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Speaker 1: in the first inning, and this is what happens with it,

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Speaker 1: And now you're stuck with Charlie Ramos and what his

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Speaker 1: zone was going to be. And it was a tight zone.

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Speaker 1: I sent on my intro, Tyler Malee really works the

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Speaker 1: knees and the corners. That's what he did so well

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Speaker 1: against the Yankees. He did it tonight, but he didn't

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Speaker 1: get the opportunities to get ahead of hitters. He fell behind.

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Speaker 1: When you look at his numbers, fifteen first pitch strikes,

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Speaker 1: twenty four hitters. That's not Tyler Maylee. He's really up

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Speaker 1: there more than that. And he ended up throwing ninety

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Speaker 1: one pitches in five innings. A couple quick innings in

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Speaker 1: the second and third, but that first and fourth inning

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Speaker 1: he got chased.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and the balls that were hit by Marcus Simeon

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Speaker 2: and Francisco Alvarez, they were not cheapies. Those balls to

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Speaker 2: center were really crushed. You mentioned the ABS call in

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Speaker 2: the first inning and losing it. That was a topic

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Speaker 2: of conversation in Tony Vattello's pregame news conference today because

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Speaker 2: somebody asked them about Daniel Susac last night and when

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Speaker 2: Daniel Sussack got the call on the ABS and it

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Speaker 2: was really close, and Vittello was saying that Susak kind

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Speaker 2: of looked into the dugout as the ABS challenge was

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Speaker 2: being determined and kind of looked like, Oops, did I

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Speaker 2: make a mistake? And no, he got it right, and

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Speaker 2: Vittella was saying, look, it's been only a week plus

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Speaker 2: still something new, even though they tried it in spring training.

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Speaker 2: He said, you know there's there obviously is strategy to it,

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Speaker 2: but they're still kind of feeling out the strategy. If

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Speaker 2: you think you've got it and you're confident in it,

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Speaker 2: then do it. The problem is if you don't get

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Speaker 2: it right, then you've got eight or nine innings to

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Speaker 2: deal without it.

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Speaker 1: It is definitely a strategy, and I think as the

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Speaker 1: season progresses, we're going to find out if they are

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Speaker 1: going to put one of those in their back pocket

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Speaker 1: for the latter part of the game. I really think

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Speaker 1: you have to, don't you, Steve. There's got to be

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Speaker 1: some part of it where you do have to hold

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Speaker 1: when it could turn a possible game over.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I agree with that for the most part, Belle.

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Speaker 2: I will push back on one thing. It's one of

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Speaker 2: those things where it's like, how do I know if

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Speaker 2: I'm sure, If I'm really sure that that pitch. If

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Speaker 2: I'm Patrick Bailey and I'm absolutely sure that pitch was

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Speaker 2: a strike, and I'm Patrick Bailey, I'm it's the first inning,

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Speaker 2: the second inning. Maybe if it's you know, uh, and

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Speaker 2: up two already or something or oh one, maybe you

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Speaker 2: don't do it. But if I really believe it's a strike,

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Speaker 2: and I know and I know it's a strike, then

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Speaker 2: if it's the first inning, the second inning, the fourth inning, whenever,

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Speaker 2: if I'm really adamant that it's right, then I'm going

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Speaker 2: to do it. Now. The problem is you better be adamant.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you better be accurate. I should say you

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Speaker 1: That's so true. Steve Kroner joined me. He's still at

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Speaker 1: Oracle Park. He's been doing some work for Associated pressco

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Speaker 1: said he felt like Tyler Mayley was Doctor Jekyll and

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Speaker 1: mister Hyde because he had a couple of good innings

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Speaker 1: and a couple of bad innings, but he didn't reflect

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Speaker 1: on it was a bad outing. You know, you start

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Speaker 1: looking at that first inning, and we've talked about Logan

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Speaker 1: Webb having problems in that first inning, Steve, and today

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Speaker 1: three straight bass hits really got him affected. It affected

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Speaker 1: a nice one two three double play, but then he

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Speaker 1: I think it pushed him over and it got the

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Speaker 1: for players that were hitting under two hundred, they came

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Speaker 1: ball hard tonight.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that was a topic of conversation with Carlos

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Speaker 2: Mendoz after the game. You know, I think the best

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Speaker 2: scored eleven runs in their first game this season, and

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Speaker 2: they hadn't scored more than four since then, and maybe

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Speaker 2: he had only scored three in the past three games.

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Speaker 2: But you look at that lineup, that's a pretty darn

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Speaker 2: good lineup that I don't know that that's the best

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Speaker 2: lineup in the National League, but it's closer to the

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Speaker 2: best than it is to the worst. So there aren't

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Speaker 2: too many breathing spots in one through nine. Wouldn't you

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Speaker 2: agree with that? Bill?

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Speaker 1: Oh, totally agree with it. But the big question is

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Speaker 1: is how can you turn a team over like they did.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they pretty much changed the whole dynamics of

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Speaker 1: this team. When you look picking up bow bushette a

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Speaker 1: Robert Junior, you take to Simon. I mean, those are

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Speaker 1: three big names are piling right in in this lineup.

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Speaker 1: And that lineup was pretty good last year. But now

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Speaker 1: with this lineup, they just have to get going because

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Speaker 1: this is a machine. As you just said, this is

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Speaker 1: a hitting machine. They just haven't gone on focus yet.

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Speaker 1: But once they do, this team's gonna score a lot

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Speaker 2: You would think. I mean, and the guy who used

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Speaker 2: to dare, I say torment if that's the right verb.

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Speaker 2: The Giants Pete Alonso is no longer in that lineup,

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Speaker 2: so that that's a big that's a big void to

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Speaker 2: fill because Alonso, you know, it may be not the

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Speaker 2: best power hitter over the past seven or eight years,

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Speaker 2: but he's close and he's probably top five power hitter

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Speaker 2: over the last seven or eight years. That's a big

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Speaker 2: void to fill. But Bashett and Simion on the left

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Speaker 2: side of the infield. That's a pretty good offense from

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Speaker 2: the left side of the infield. Or Simmey is playing

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Speaker 2: second base, My bad, Lindor's at short. But adding those

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Speaker 2: two guys in your infield, that gives your infield.

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Speaker 1: Some pop, a good infield too, a very solid infield.

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Speaker 1: Juan Soto left the game after the first sitting with

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Speaker 1: calf tightness. Did they say anything after the game about

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Mendoza admitted he's concerned. They said that Soda will

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Speaker 2: have an MRI tomorrow. He said, we just got to

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Speaker 2: to be concerned. And so he you know, he wasn't

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Speaker 2: this is nothing. Calf can be a problem, and obviously

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Speaker 2: he talked about power hitters and just best hitters in

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Speaker 2: the game over the past seven, eight nine years. Want

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Speaker 2: Soto's right there, so if he misses any significant amount

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Speaker 2: of time, that's obviously I got to hurt the Mets.

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Speaker 1: You know. Steve bobashett, a guy that came over from

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Speaker 1: one hundred million dollars. Boy, he can swing it. I

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Speaker 1: mean I remember watching him play with Toronto and I

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Speaker 1: was like, this guy's like Deverse. He takes everything with

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Speaker 1: every swing. But what he did today, he really jumped

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Speaker 1: on Melee on the first pitch both times and got

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Speaker 1: bass hits off of him. And I was really wondering

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Speaker 1: Melee was going to come in on the zone, because

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Speaker 1: it seemed like that's what the first couple hitters were.

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Speaker 1: They watched a couple pitches, but then they were real aggressive.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Again, fifteen hits and how many of them wore

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Speaker 2: the Mets saw something, that's for sure. And you know,

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Speaker 2: I'll say this. When Malee got the one two three

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Speaker 2: double play on Baby, You're thinking, you know, for all

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Speaker 2: the struggles, he had three hits in a walk. I

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Speaker 2: think in the first four hitters he can get one

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Speaker 2: more out. You'd take being down one nothing in that regard.

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Speaker 2: But then Simeon gets the single that makes it to nothing.

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Speaker 2: it certainly was a deflating point. That when you think,

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Speaker 1: This is a different regime. They're doing things differently. I

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Speaker 2: just saying that did surprise me. So I wasn't surprised

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Speaker 1: Well, I think our questions for philosophy are over. We

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Speaker 1: we haven't seen many changes and I don't think we're

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Speaker 1: You wouldn't think, yeah, six oh five start, I think

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Speaker 1: they're going to have to get right back on it

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Speaker 1: and see if they can turn this around. But Steve,

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Speaker 1: I want to thank you for staying at Oracle Park

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Speaker 1: to join me on a sports phone late night. And

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Speaker 1: it's always a pleasure talking to you, my friend.

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Speaker 2: Right back at you, sir.

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Speaker 1: That was Steve Kroner, he's back at Oracle who was

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Speaker 1: reporting for Associated Press. We're gonna take a quick break,

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Speaker 1: wrap up the show and get you ready for tomorrow's game.

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Speaker 1: My name's Bill LASKI will be right back right here

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Speaker 1: on a sports leader