1 00:00:01,240 --> 00:00:05,560 Speaker 1: Craig and Greg Coppa and Silver is k and br 2 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 1: Kee sports leader. 3 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 2: We're getting into the Friday swing of things. In every 4 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:13,440 Speaker 2: Friday here throughout the rest of the baseball season, we'll 5 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:16,920 Speaker 2: be talking to the Athletics Andy Baggerly. It is great 6 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:19,760 Speaker 2: to have him on the UMA guest line, Greg Silver, 7 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:22,599 Speaker 2: John Dickinson with you for another hour and ten or 8 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 2: so and then we'll send it out to the ballpark 9 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 2: where dirty Work is going to be on the patio 10 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:29,320 Speaker 2: at fifty eight Social. That's good to. 11 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 3: Talk to you. 12 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 2: We had a crazy chaos of opening week and now 13 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:35,239 Speaker 2: we're finally trying to settle in. And I think the 14 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 2: Giants two are trying to get a little bit of 15 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 2: normalcy going like we've seen them in the doing the 16 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:41,880 Speaker 2: last four nights winn three out of four. 17 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:45,239 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, obviously they didn't get off to the 18 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 3: start they wanted to, especially in front of their home 19 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 3: fans against the Yankees. Theation really good pitching in that 20 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 3: series and needed a little time to settle in new 21 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 3: manager and everything. But now Tony Vitello's got his first 22 00:00:57,480 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 3: win out of the way, He's got his first home 23 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 3: win out of the way. Really nice to see not 24 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 3: only like Louis rise get two hits in an RBA 25 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 3: triple off the arcade, Rafiel Deveres hit his first homer. 26 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 3: But you know, Daniel Sussac, you know, has to wait 27 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 3: around to get make his major league debut, but he's 28 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 3: certainly ready for it when he does, and Blade Tidwell 29 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:18,119 Speaker 3: comes out of the bullpen gives him a lift. Where 30 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 3: a day earlier they were pretty down after losing Jose 31 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 3: Boutou and worried about him. So really good way to 32 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 3: start the homestand's you know, two really good teams with 33 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:29,959 Speaker 3: the Mets and Phillies coming in. So yeah, so they 34 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:31,839 Speaker 3: definitely have a little bit of mojo going right now. 35 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:36,680 Speaker 1: All right, So the question bags of the day here is, 36 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 1: you know what do you believe this team is closer 37 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 1: to the team we've seen in the last four days 38 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:46,480 Speaker 1: with the three of four as opposed to the team 39 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 1: that we saw the first three games against the Yankees, 40 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 1: or is it all kind of adding up to be 41 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 1: as they sit here still three and four a different 42 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 1: version of the same or at least similar to what 43 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 1: we've seen in twenty two, twenty three, twenty four and 44 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 1: twenty five with different players, different managers, but that gravitational 45 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:09,919 Speaker 1: pull to five hundred both ways has been really real 46 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 1: for this Giant's team here. 47 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I guess the simplest, most boring answer 48 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 3: is we got to kind of wait to find that out. 49 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:19,359 Speaker 3: Like in the aggregate, you know, what is this team 50 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:21,080 Speaker 3: all about? I think we can look at things like, 51 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 3: you know, the bullpen's pitch better than I think maybe 52 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 3: we had had thought that they would, you know, would 53 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 3: take time to settle into roles and it might might 54 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 3: be some hiccups early, and I'm sure there will be, 55 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 3: but you know, thus far, I think you'd have to 56 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 3: be pretty encouraged with the bullpen performance. You look at 57 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 3: you know, everybody in the starting rotation has looked pretty good. 58 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 3: The only guy who's really kind of scuffled about that 59 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 3: is Logan Web coming off the WBC, which he says 60 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:45,839 Speaker 3: has an impacted him. But you know, Robbie Rais looked 61 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 3: really good, Lennon Roupe look terrific, Adrian Houser had a 62 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 3: nice first start, and Tyler Mulley as well. So the 63 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 3: pitching side, I think you got to feel pretty good 64 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:57,640 Speaker 3: about it. And and the hitting. You know, this is 65 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 3: a lineup that is, you know, pull everyday guys and 66 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 3: they're going to go as those guys go. And you 67 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:06,799 Speaker 3: know it's maybe Raphaeldevers isn't off to quite the start 68 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:09,080 Speaker 3: he'd like to be. Willie Damas has had one really 69 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:13,360 Speaker 3: good game and then a lot of frustration. But you know, 70 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 3: this is a team that they think is going to score, 71 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 3: and you know, if this team can score, And I 72 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 3: do think that one of the barometers I'm looking at 73 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 3: is I think they have to whatever the league average 74 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:25,240 Speaker 3: ends up being in runs per game, four point one, 75 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 3: full point, whatever it is, the Giants need to be 76 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 3: north of that. I think if they are struggling to 77 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:32,360 Speaker 3: score runs, it's going to be a long season because 78 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 3: there are days where they're going to have to score six, seven, 79 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 3: eight months. But thus far, I think you're looking at it. 80 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 3: You know, it's too really to really make any any 81 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 3: critical evaluations, but there are a lot of positives in 82 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 3: terms of some of the areas where you thought might 83 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 3: be troublespots. 84 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 2: Just with you bags. I told JD earlier in the 85 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 2: show that Tony Vattello one of the interesting observations is 86 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 2: he has put a lot of trust in his guys 87 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 2: in using the same combinations of people, but also tinkering 88 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 2: around the order. And we in Casey Schmid play a 89 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 2: lot of first base because the dev's and how he's 90 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 2: managed the bullpen, right, and so there's a lot of trust. 91 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 2: But at the same time, he's not afraid to have 92 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 2: a quick trigger in terms of making small changes. What 93 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 2: have you made of the fact that he's messed around 94 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 2: with the lineups a little bit, Like when Willie Adamas 95 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 2: was leading off and a Rise was hitting forth. I 96 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 2: was thinking that's kind of weird, but hey, weird ended 97 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 2: up working. And so now we're seeing a lot of 98 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 2: small changes here, just in a seven game sample size. 99 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:27,599 Speaker 3: Well, and you never want to overreact, right, But but 100 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 3: the reason that he's managing this team and that Bob 101 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:32,919 Speaker 3: Melvin isn't managing this team is because when the Giants 102 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 3: got in funks, they just took way too long to 103 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 3: get themselves out of it. And Tony Vytello is here 104 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 3: because Buster Posey zach manascion felt that this guy was 105 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 3: going to be a catalyst. He was going to be 106 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 3: an action guy who you know, would would kind of 107 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 3: give everyone a sense of urgency and wouldn't kind of 108 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 3: just like let things happen to them, which is, you know, 109 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 3: it comes off sounding like a criticism of Bob Melvin. 110 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 3: It's not meant to be, you know, I think you know, 111 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 3: Bob is obviously won two thousand games in the big 112 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 3: leagues and is one manager of the heear three times 113 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:04,159 Speaker 3: for a reason. I mean, there's there are teams that 114 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:06,680 Speaker 3: really just need that sort of steady hand on the wheel, 115 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 3: and last year maybe the Giants needed something a little 116 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 3: bit different. And so you know, you have one run 117 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 3: in your first three games against the Yankees and and 118 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 3: facing some really good pitching, and you know they could 119 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 3: have rolled the same lineup out there, but you know, 120 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 3: you get Willie Thomas leading off, and you have Lewis Arrise, 121 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 3: who's not really kind of a prototypical cleanup hitter, but 122 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:29,480 Speaker 3: you kind of like him with runs on base because 123 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:31,679 Speaker 3: he can put the ball in play. And they tried 124 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 3: something different and it you know, it's it hasn't worked 125 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 3: one hundred percent of the time, but they definitely had 126 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 3: some more traffic on the basis more opportunities. So you know, 127 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 3: and we talk about the lineup, and I think the 128 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 3: lineup has talked to death you know, it's one of 129 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 3: those things that they're going to use one hundred different 130 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 3: lineups this year, you know, so I try not to 131 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:51,720 Speaker 3: get too granular on those things, but you know, it 132 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 3: was a pretty big move to put Adamins in the 133 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:56,039 Speaker 3: leadoff spot because he's only hit there two or three 134 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:59,599 Speaker 3: times in his career, so so yeah, it was definitely 135 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 3: an out of the box thought and it's worked out 136 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 3: pretty decent so far. 137 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:06,840 Speaker 1: Well. And it's interesting too because, I mean Adamis, as 138 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:09,159 Speaker 1: you mentioned, had the he's had the one, the one 139 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:12,360 Speaker 1: big game and a lot of frustration. But sometimes an 140 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:16,679 Speaker 1: individual may not necessarily benefit from being shifted in a lineup, 141 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:19,920 Speaker 1: but the entire group can can be more productive. And 142 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 1: that's that's been the case here over these these last 143 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 1: four days. The group, it just looks looks like it 144 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:28,040 Speaker 1: flows better with with the way that he's been more 145 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 1: more prone to do it here since moving a Damis 146 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 1: into that leadoff spot. 147 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, and the bottom of the lineup has been producing. 148 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 3: Daniel Susk was on base four times. I mean that 149 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:40,719 Speaker 3: really helps. And you know, I guarantee you they would 150 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 3: they will take every day of the season. They will 151 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:45,599 Speaker 3: take Willia Damas coming to bat with seven runners on 152 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:48,040 Speaker 3: base in his first three plate appearances or first four 153 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 3: plate appearances, and and especially from the leadoff spot. And yeah, 154 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 3: he didn't drive any of them in. He had kind 155 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:56,280 Speaker 3: of a miserable game with you know, three strikeouts of 156 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:59,159 Speaker 3: G I, D P and and and and a challenge 157 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 3: that didn't go his way. So that's when you just 158 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:04,480 Speaker 3: want to wash off. But you know, they obviously they 159 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 3: really think a lot of Wilia damas. They signed up 160 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:09,479 Speaker 3: for a big deal, and he hit thirty homers last year, 161 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 3: and if that's the kind of opportunities he's going to 162 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 3: get every single game, they'll take that every day to year. 163 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 2: It's not going to Andy Baggerley on the UMA guest line. 164 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 2: So for Daniel Susack, that was a big story last night, 165 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 2: him going three for three, getting on base four times. 166 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 2: How much his family loved watching that in person. Do 167 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 2: you think we could see him mixed in more frequently 168 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 2: in a way that could also help preserve Patrick Bailey, Like, 169 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 2: I'm not trying to overreact to the one game sample 170 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 2: size of Daniel Susack, but where I do think it 171 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 2: is fair to react is that we've seen Bailey struggle 172 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 2: at the plate, particularly as we get over the hump 173 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 2: into the second half of the season, and if Susak 174 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 2: can routinely produce, even if not at the degree to 175 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 2: which we saw last night, that could be something that 176 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 2: provides a benefit to both catchers. 177 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred percent, I think that. I think there's 178 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 3: going to be a lot of momentum to start Susack 179 00:07:57,200 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 3: against lefties. You know, not long ago, that was Tom 180 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 3: Murphy's role. That's why they signed him to be that guy. 181 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 3: And this is a guy who was a first round 182 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 3: pick of the A's, you know, not necessarily because he 183 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 3: was a great, you know, defender behind the playfuse, he 184 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 3: was mostly a bad first catcher. So and he's really 185 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 3: come along and made nice strides defensively, so they feel 186 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 3: good about that part of it. But and you know, 187 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 3: I really don't mean for this to be a knock 188 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 3: on anyone, but you know, we saw, like a couple 189 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 3: of years ago, they tried to use someone like Blake 190 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 3: Stable as a bad first catcher and he just didn't 191 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 3: have the catching skills. In the big leagues, you know, 192 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 3: a lot of pitchers were asked to make a lot 193 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 3: of sacrifices to work with him, and he just he 194 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 3: just didn't develop the proficiency defensively. You know, a heck 195 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 3: of a good guy. Wish him well. He's with the 196 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:42,320 Speaker 3: Raised organization now, hopefully as Dad gets him back to 197 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:44,719 Speaker 3: the big leagues. But you compare that against what they 198 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 3: have now with Daniel Zusak, and it's night and day. 199 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 3: I mean, you know, this guy looks like he could 200 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 3: play a big role on the team. And I'll tell 201 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:53,200 Speaker 3: you what if they get to a place where, you know, 202 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:55,559 Speaker 3: they decide it's redundant to have cost In Schmid on 203 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:58,080 Speaker 3: the roster, or they decided to need a little more 204 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 3: versatility on the bench, and Hasus Rodriguez is you know, hitting, 205 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 3: you know, three fifty at triple A. All of a sudden, 206 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:07,560 Speaker 3: you put him on the roster and you've got someone 207 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 3: who could be a third catcher back there. That frees 208 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:12,080 Speaker 3: you up to use su SEC's bat not just as 209 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:15,080 Speaker 3: you know, a backup catcher, but you know, maybe even 210 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:18,439 Speaker 3: as a DH sometimes or more actively used as a consitter. 211 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 3: So we may see that configuration before long. And you know, 212 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:24,720 Speaker 3: the best way the players make the decision for you 213 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 3: is by performing. And certainly I think del Susk deserved 214 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:30,839 Speaker 3: himself another start against an exe LECTI the Giants space. 215 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:35,560 Speaker 1: Without question. Now Andy Baggerley joining us here on these 216 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 1: sports Leader, what are some other ways you envision Tony 217 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:42,839 Speaker 1: Vatello being able to use the bench more. I know 218 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 1: that was a big topic of discussion, maybe too much 219 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 1: for for my likeing of the first three four days 220 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 1: of the season. But we've seen the speed of Oliva. 221 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:55,560 Speaker 1: I mean you mentioned Christian costs, Like at what spots 222 00:09:55,640 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 1: do you think over time the Giants will be more 223 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 1: open to giving some other players off the bench some 224 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 1: run maybe in lessening some of the some of the 225 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 1: reliance on on the guys that are the everyday guys 226 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:14,199 Speaker 1: right now. We know, we know it's not Chapman or 227 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:17,719 Speaker 1: Devers or Adamis or those guys. But are there are 228 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 1: there spots where you think there could be and maybe 229 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 1: catchers obviously one of them a little bit more of 230 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 1: a uh, you know, balance of let's give some guys 231 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 1: off the bench an opportunity to see what they can do. 232 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 3: Well. One thing that's really going to help is when 233 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:33,559 Speaker 3: Rofield Devers plays first base again, which you know probably 234 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 3: is going to be by the end of this next 235 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 3: road trip. They're being very very cautious with with that, 236 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 3: and he is taking early work. He's kind of ramping 237 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:44,960 Speaker 3: back up, you know, with missing a little time with 238 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:47,199 Speaker 3: the hamstring and spring training. So once they can get 239 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 3: him back at first base, now all of a sudden, 240 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:52,320 Speaker 3: Joarn Cornossion has an opportunity on this team, where right 241 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 3: now he's just kind of frozen out and everyone feels 242 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 3: kind of bad about that. He's just had one pinch 243 00:10:56,880 --> 00:11:00,120 Speaker 3: hitting appearance. But like you said, I mean the the 244 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 3: first pinch hitting appearance of the season came in the 245 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 3: sixth game. The only time that I tell he used 246 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 3: his bench against the Yankees was to pinch run Alliver 247 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 3: for a Damas in the ninth inning of the last game. 248 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 3: So yeah, you want to try to incorporate as much 249 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 3: of the roster as early as you can. That was 250 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:18,840 Speaker 3: always Bruce Bochi was big on that. Philip Baylu was 251 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 3: big on that. Dusty was big on that. You don't 252 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 3: want someone sitting around cool on their heels, waiting to 253 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 3: get involved or get some dirt in their cleats in 254 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 3: the first week of the season, especially when you're su 255 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 3: second you're waiting for make your major league debut with 256 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 3: your whole family in toe, you know, waiting every game. 257 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 3: So they got that out of the way. Everybody has played, 258 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:41,080 Speaker 3: but obviously the bench has been a little underutilized so far, 259 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 3: and you know what, it is going to be a 260 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 3: little bit of a challenge for someone like Christian Costs 261 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 3: because Willie A. Damas plays every day, Matt Chapman plays 262 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 3: every day. Maybe there are going to be some times 263 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 3: when Devers goes back to first base, they can give 264 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 3: a rise a day off his feet and start Costs 265 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:59,840 Speaker 3: at second base, or Schmidt at second base and Arises Dach. 266 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:02,560 Speaker 3: So yeah, they have some ways they can go. But 267 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 3: I think that, you know, it's really gonna kind of 268 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:07,719 Speaker 3: open things up when Devers can play first base again, 269 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:08,839 Speaker 3: which which should happen soon. 270 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 2: What was going through your mind when you saw Ryan 271 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 2: Walker trot out there to replace Robbie Ray. I know 272 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 2: Tony Veitelo explained the reasoning behind it after the game, 273 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:19,319 Speaker 2: but one of those elephants in the room is also 274 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 2: the closer position. And Ryan Walker, in his one save 275 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:24,760 Speaker 2: opportunity so far, you know, it was a little bit shaky. 276 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:26,559 Speaker 2: He did get the save, but also gave up a 277 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 2: two run bomb and got a little bit of a 278 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 2: break when Tatis didn't challenge what could have been ball 279 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 2: three instead of strike two. So you know what was 280 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:36,960 Speaker 2: your thought just sitting there and ingesting it in real time? 281 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:40,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, the four pitch walk really to start a three 282 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 3: to nothing ninth inning is is probably even worse than 283 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 3: the home run, really, but you got it. Throw strikes 284 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 3: and you know, look he's he's you know, feeling it 285 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 3: a little bit. He's he's got some pressure on him 286 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 3: and he needs to establish himself again. He knows that 287 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:56,840 Speaker 3: he's he said all the right things, was very determined 288 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:59,320 Speaker 3: in spring training, had a really nice interview with Sergio Romo, 289 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 3: who talked with him a lot during his week as 290 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 3: a guest instructor. And it's going to be the easiest 291 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 3: thing for everybody if Ryan Walker can re establish himself 292 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:09,720 Speaker 3: as a closer on this team. But there's a reason 293 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 3: they didn't name him the closer. They don't want to, 294 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 3: you know, have him struggle and then have to walk 295 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 3: it back and it comes off like a failure. I mean, 296 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:18,679 Speaker 3: they really want him to to basically do like what 297 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:21,680 Speaker 3: Penal Susak did. You get the opportunity, you earn the 298 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 3: next opportunity and I think that he's on board with that. 299 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:26,840 Speaker 3: He doesn't have a sense of entitlement at all. And 300 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:28,960 Speaker 3: that was the situation where you know, they thought that 301 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:33,560 Speaker 3: sixth enning was pretty important, you know that to get 302 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 3: the next two hitters out. I believe it was Robert 303 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 3: and the Mets of five six hitters before you get 304 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 3: to the bottom part of the lineup. So they want 305 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 3: to walker to face those guys, not necessarily the seventy 306 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 3: eight nine guys. So that shows a little bit of faith, 307 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 3: but yeah, you know they're they're Tony Vtelo said afterwards, 308 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 3: he doesn't really believe in roles. Now, I think that 309 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 3: he's going to learn that major league believers believe in roles, 310 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 3: and they like to have a better idea when they're 311 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:58,440 Speaker 3: coming in. So there might be some give and take 312 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 3: on that over time, but it really is very much open. 313 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 3: They're going to read and react to how these guys 314 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:06,320 Speaker 3: look when they throw them out there. And you know, 315 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:09,840 Speaker 3: thus fark Heaton Winn has looked terrific, Nikle Killian has 316 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 3: looked really good, and and Blade saidwell, I mean we 317 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 3: saw him in spring training and he throws strikes with 318 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:16,679 Speaker 3: that slider. I mean it's a nasty pitch, it's a 319 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 3: Robinan slider, So he could be a guy that factors 320 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 3: in Layton games as well. 321 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting to your point on rolls, you better 322 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 1: have success if you don't believe in roles because because 323 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 1: guys tend to not buy in quickly if there isn't 324 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 1: a level of success. And to this point, the group 325 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 1: overall has been pretty good. If it's not Ryan Walker bags, 326 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 1: who would get the first next opportunity to be the 327 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 1: closer in your mind, among among who they have. 328 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 3: I mean, it sounds like they're going to be very 329 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 3: matchup oriented. So if they've got a pocket of lefties 330 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 3: in the ninth, it may be Eric Miller, you know, 331 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 3: it may be Killian or Win. I don't think they're 332 00:14:57,120 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 3: really married to anybody or there there really is a 333 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 3: pecking order at the this point. It's just everybody be 334 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 3: ready to pitch at any time. And uh, that's that's 335 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 3: kind of the the environment that Tony Vaitelo's coaches want 336 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 3: to kind of establish here. It's just, hey, I want 337 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:14,640 Speaker 3: you to want the ball in every situation. That's the 338 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 3: way he put it last night, And I mean that 339 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 3: sounds great. It really does. And if you can foster that, uh, 340 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 3: then you know that's that's the mark of a of 341 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 3: a good team, a good team with some good sort 342 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 3: of you know Bonham, but but you know, relievers generally 343 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 3: like to have a pretty good idea of when we're 344 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 3: going to pitch. I mean, that's just sort of been 345 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 3: true throughout the history of the game. So I do 346 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 3: think that it'll be easier on everybody, including the manager 347 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 3: if if people do end up sort of slotting into 348 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 3: roles and you know, again the decision has become easy 349 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 3: if guys perform. 350 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 1: How impressive was was Keaton win against the Padres and 351 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 1: the game where he comes in, he strikes out the side, 352 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 1: he's off to a good start and what how what's 353 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 1: your sense for how the Giants you him in terms 354 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 1: of making the switch from being a starter to a 355 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 1: reliever and the ability, I mean, he looked really dominant. 356 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 1: You don't want to overreact to one game, good or bad, 357 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 1: or a couple of games good or bad, but but 358 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:17,440 Speaker 1: he did look like it popped to everyone watching, Hey, 359 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 1: this looks like future closer stuff. Even if maybe we 360 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 1: need to pump the brakes on that a little bit 361 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 1: because it's it's so soon. 362 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 3: Well, I mean, let's not forget that he's doing this 363 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 3: for the first time, right, So pitching on back to 364 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 3: back days. You know, how he recovers, We don't know 365 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 3: at all how he's gonna be with that, if it's 366 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 3: going to be a problem for him, if he's going 367 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 3: to be really proficient at it. The same goes for 368 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 3: Blade Tidwell, the same goes for uh, you know, Caleb Killian. 369 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 3: He really is in this relief role for the first 370 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 3: time too. So you know, you look at the stuff 371 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 3: and you think, boy, this stuff can can really work 372 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 3: at the back end of games. But you got to 373 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 3: be able to post too. You got to be able 374 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 3: to be available, and you know, it can be a 375 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 3: struggle for people going through it for the first time. 376 00:16:56,720 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 3: You know, we we focus so much on starting pitchers 377 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 3: and how many pitches they throw through every start or 378 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 3: how many innings they throw. And if you go up vote, 379 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 3: you know, Land and Route through only eighty innings this year. 380 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 3: Now he's going up to one forty. That's kind of 381 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:11,119 Speaker 3: a big leap in one year, whatever the case may be. 382 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 3: But with relievers, you know, if you've never done it before, 383 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:18,160 Speaker 3: you know to appear in fifty games, sixty games, seventy 384 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 3: games is really really tough if you've never done it before. 385 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:23,400 Speaker 3: So you know that's where I would pump the brakes 386 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 3: a little bit. It's just, you know, you got to 387 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:26,720 Speaker 3: find out what these guys are going to look like, 388 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 3: how they can maintain, you know, over the course of 389 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 3: of you know, a couple of weeks, a month, you know, 390 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 3: a first half, then the whole season, because you know, 391 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 3: everyone's built different, everybody has different physical challenges, and you know, 392 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:43,200 Speaker 3: the best relievers are are like they say, your best 393 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 3: ability is availability, So that is to be determined for 394 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:47,639 Speaker 3: some of these guys. 395 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 2: Begs, thanks so much for coming by. Great to read 396 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 2: you in the athletic as always in Hell. Look, the 397 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:55,400 Speaker 2: first three went one way. Then now they've won three 398 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:57,119 Speaker 2: out of four and so when we talk to you 399 00:17:57,119 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 2: next week, they're going to be starting up on their 400 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 2: first big road trips. So a lot more to catch 401 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:04,680 Speaker 2: up on as we continue to gather information. As JD 402 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 2: said at the beginning of the show, April is about learning, 403 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:08,480 Speaker 2: and that's what we're doing. 404 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:11,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, if they win today, you know they'll be brud 405 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:12,160 Speaker 3: It's five hundred again. 406 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:19,560 Speaker 2: So begs bags thank you absolutely, Andy Baggery of the 407 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 2: Athletic Yeah, JD. My joke to Krug after Opening Night 408 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 2: and the seven nothing was, well, hey if they win, 409 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 2: and they bounced back though, right back to five hundred, 410 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:30,200 Speaker 2: everyone's least favorite spot. But no, it is obviously very 411 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 2: very early in the season. 412 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 1: I mean, it is so funny because that has been 413 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:36,720 Speaker 1: the thing that that that I've kept coming back to 414 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 1: as they've looked better and better here in the last 415 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 1: three or four days. And I I you praise them 416 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 1: for obviously the improvements that they've made, and some of 417 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 1: it is just the natural ebb and flow of a 418 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 1: of a long MLB season, but even last night, it's like, oh, damn, 419 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:53,679 Speaker 1: three out of four, and then you look up it's like, oh, 420 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 1: they're still three and four, and so like it, it 421 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:00,040 Speaker 1: feels like in the moment, and again we are in 422 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:03,359 Speaker 1: the early part where everything I think gets accounted for 423 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 1: to you know, a much greater level than probably it should. 424 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:09,160 Speaker 1: But even though it's like, oh damn, like people are 425 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 1: really high on this team, all of a sudden, it 426 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 1: feels like there's still three and four at this point. 427 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:19,119 Speaker 1: And it has led me toward that familiar thought of damn, like, 428 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:21,879 Speaker 1: maybe this team truly is just gonna be destined to 429 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:24,640 Speaker 1: be within a game or two of five hundred all 430 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 1: year long, as most of these teams have been in 431 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:27,600 Speaker 1: the last four years. 432 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 2: Eight to wait, K and b R. We got a 433 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:32,480 Speaker 2: little extra headlines coming your way, including a focus on 434 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:35,199 Speaker 2: the San Jose Sharks, and then Walter's gonna hit us 435 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 2: with a little take it or leave it, and before 436 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:38,520 Speaker 2: we know it, we'll be out of here and kick 437 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 2: it right over to dirty work at fifty eight. Social 438 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:44,639 Speaker 2: Giants met six forty five tonight Tyler Mallley gonna be 439 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:46,399 Speaker 2: on the mount as he gets his second start of 440 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:48,720 Speaker 2: the year. It's all coming up. It's Papa and silver 441 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 2: on the Sports Leader