WEBVTT - An October Surprise 0:00:04.820 --> 0:00:08.660 Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio at the 0:00:08.680 --> 0:00:10.660 George Washington Broadcast Center. 0:00:10.740 --> 0:00:12.950 Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty. 0:00:13.130 --> 0:00:14.470 Armstrong and Getty. 0:00:14.650 --> 0:00:20.180 And now, here's Armstrong and Getty. 0:00:26.560 --> 0:00:30.820 Democrats are waiting to see how al-Sayed will handle claims 0:00:30.860 --> 0:00:34.699 that he's tied to the Muslim Brotherhood after this testy 0:00:34.770 --> 0:00:36.020 exchange with a voter. 0:00:36.450 --> 0:00:38.100 Will you disavow the Muslim Brotherhood? Sure. 0:00:38.229 --> 0:00:39.030 Yeah, absolutely. 0:00:39.050 --> 0:00:43.010 You're asking the question because implicitly you assume that I'll 0:00:43.030 --> 0:00:47.390 have dual loyalties, right? You assume that somehow I wouldn't 0:00:47.409 --> 0:00:51.849 disavow or that I'll have some higher order Allegiance to 0:00:51.890 --> 0:00:52.510 the Constitution. 0:00:53.170 --> 0:00:54.990 Correct. Tommy, is that what you want? 0:00:55.450 --> 0:00:59.630 Former Obama staffers calling on El-Sayed to change his tone. 0:00:59.930 --> 0:01:00.450 I thought it was good. 0:01:00.470 --> 0:01:02.710 I think he could use like 20 percent less condescension 0:01:02.730 --> 0:01:03.790 than the. 0:01:03.350 --> 0:01:07.070 Slightly more empathetic version of that. Yeah, that's what I 0:01:07.090 --> 0:01:09.789 was talking about earlier. I want to hear Lonnie Chen's 0:01:09.850 --> 0:01:13.850 theory on this. Lonnie Chen, we have on regularly. He's 0:01:13.950 --> 0:01:17.650 the David and Diane Steffi Fellow in American Public Policy 0:01:17.670 --> 0:01:19.860 Studies at the Hoover Institution and the Director of Domestic 0:01:19.890 --> 0:01:23.179 Policy Studies at Stanford University and an overall good dude 0:01:23.220 --> 0:01:25.480 and smart guy. Lonny, welcome back to the Armstrong and 0:01:25.500 --> 0:01:25.880 Getty Show. 0:01:28.120 --> 0:01:28.720 Jack, thank you. 0:01:28.740 --> 0:01:29.140 Good morning. 0:01:29.540 --> 0:01:31.780 Which of the Sunday shows you're on? I watch them all, 0:01:31.880 --> 0:01:33.680 so I have trouble keeping track of my head. Meet 0:01:33.700 --> 0:01:34.970 the Press. You're on Meet the Press. 0:01:35.000 --> 0:01:35.120 Cool. 0:01:36.880 --> 0:01:38.800 Yeah, that's the one I'm on regularly. 0:01:38.970 --> 0:01:42.340 Yeah, cool. So I said earlier in the show, I 0:01:42.400 --> 0:01:45.440 wonder how El-Sayed is wearing in Michigan. I feel like 0:01:45.480 --> 0:01:49.060 he's got a Chris Christie thing where when Chris Christie 0:01:49.420 --> 0:01:50.840 first came on the scene, it was like, oh, I 0:01:50.880 --> 0:01:53.860 like this guy's aggressiveness and the way he claps back 0:01:53.880 --> 0:01:56.980 so quickly. And then over time, it became enough already, 0:01:57.120 --> 0:02:00.000 smartest guy who ever lived. You're kind of wearing me out. 0:02:00.320 --> 0:02:02.280 And I wonder if El-Sayed is starting to come off 0:02:02.320 --> 0:02:03.620 that way to voters in Michigan. 0:02:06.070 --> 0:02:08.050 Yeah, I think there's two issues at play here, Jack. 0:02:08.110 --> 0:02:11.350 Number one is I think you're right that as voters 0:02:11.410 --> 0:02:14.040 hear more of him and as they see more of 0:02:14.090 --> 0:02:17.299 his temperament, they have reason to wonder if that's really 0:02:17.340 --> 0:02:20.460 what they want. I mean, it's a little bit disassociated, 0:02:20.520 --> 0:02:22.940 I would say, from what most people in Michigan are 0:02:22.960 --> 0:02:25.320 probably looking for, which is someone who's going to be 0:02:25.340 --> 0:02:28.130 a little bit more civil and someone who will fight, 0:02:28.150 --> 0:02:30.489 of course, but not to the degree, to your point, 0:02:30.530 --> 0:02:33.430 that he sort of desires to poke everyone in the eye. 0:02:34.330 --> 0:02:36.570 I think the other issue, though, which is the more 0:02:36.690 --> 0:02:40.090 fundamental one for Al-Sayed is just his positions on issues 0:02:40.590 --> 0:02:43.190 and the fact that I think on most issues, he's 0:02:43.210 --> 0:02:44.930 going to be pretty out of touch with where most 0:02:44.970 --> 0:02:47.660 people in that state are. Most people in that state 0:02:47.680 --> 0:02:51.280 are not going to be for socialized medicine, government-run health care. 0:02:51.780 --> 0:02:53.580 Most people in that state are not going to be 0:02:53.680 --> 0:02:58.620 for increased tax burdens on working families. Most people are 0:02:58.660 --> 0:03:00.899 not going to be for the kinds of things that 0:03:01.380 --> 0:03:03.320 he's talked about. And then you add to that some 0:03:03.840 --> 0:03:07.340 dimensionality around, you know, his, his comments in the past, 0:03:07.380 --> 0:03:13.410 his association with, uh, Hassan Piker, the crazy progressive streamer. And, 0:03:13.570 --> 0:03:15.549 and you end up with a formula that I think will, 0:03:15.870 --> 0:03:17.990 will end up really harming him in the stretch run. Now, 0:03:18.010 --> 0:03:20.310 does that mean I think Mike Rogers is going to 0:03:20.350 --> 0:03:22.000 win that race? I don't know. That race is going 0:03:22.010 --> 0:03:24.380 to be really, really close, but I do think that 0:03:24.639 --> 0:03:26.320 a lot of the shine is worn off of Al 0:03:26.360 --> 0:03:27.119 Saeed for sure. 0:03:28.050 --> 0:03:31.190 Clearly, Election Day or election night, we're likely to have 0:03:31.230 --> 0:03:33.290 like a half dozen Senate races that are going to 0:03:33.310 --> 0:03:35.410 be really close. And who knows which direction are going 0:03:35.430 --> 0:03:37.110 to go? Although it was pretty interesting. You said on 0:03:37.130 --> 0:03:39.210 Meet the Press the other day, you think Paxson's going 0:03:39.230 --> 0:03:40.430 to win in Texas. Why do you think that? 0:03:43.030 --> 0:03:45.470 Well, yeah, first of all, the fact that the Senate's 0:03:45.590 --> 0:03:48.680 even competitive at all is quite remarkable if you think 0:03:48.720 --> 0:03:49.030 about it. 0:03:49.060 --> 0:03:49.240 Right. 0:03:49.280 --> 0:03:53.260 Because the states that Democrats needed to be able to 0:03:53.560 --> 0:03:56.410 turn over to get to a Democratic Senate. are all 0:03:56.460 --> 0:03:59.360 states that President Trump won and won with pretty handy margins. 0:03:59.380 --> 0:04:03.580 You talk about places like Ohio and Iowa and Alaska and, 0:04:03.600 --> 0:04:06.260 of course, Texas, where the president won by 14 points. 0:04:06.860 --> 0:04:09.060 And the point I was making about Paxton was simply 0:04:09.120 --> 0:04:12.430 that I think there's a certain amount of basic math 0:04:12.540 --> 0:04:14.710 in Texas. Now, that math has changed a little bit 0:04:14.910 --> 0:04:17.810 as the population of Texas has changed. But you have 0:04:17.850 --> 0:04:21.130 to believe that essentially there is going to be such 0:04:21.190 --> 0:04:24.610 a significant swing in the electorate that you're wiping out 0:04:24.810 --> 0:04:27.529 both the advantage that President Trump had, but the advantage 0:04:27.570 --> 0:04:31.130 that registered Republicans have in Texas. And, you know, the 0:04:31.210 --> 0:04:33.729 theory that others go with is just that, you know, 0:04:33.770 --> 0:04:36.840 Paxton's a really bad candidate, he's got some really bad baggage, 0:04:36.880 --> 0:04:39.380 and that's all true. He has horrible baggage, and he's 0:04:39.420 --> 0:04:41.300 not a great candidate, and he seems to be a 0:04:41.320 --> 0:04:45.460 little bit lazy, too. All that being said, there are just, 0:04:46.279 --> 0:04:50.279 you'd have to believe that Democrats would historically outperform their 0:04:50.320 --> 0:04:53.170 vote share in parts of the state like the South 0:04:53.230 --> 0:04:56.770 Plains and the panhandle of Texas in order to believe 0:04:56.850 --> 0:04:59.350 that the Democrat, Talrico, is going to be able to win. 0:04:59.810 --> 0:05:02.550 And I just think that the numbers are still there, 0:05:02.610 --> 0:05:05.690 just barely. The numbers are still there for Paxton, even 0:05:05.750 --> 0:05:08.300 with all of the in-migration, all the other stuff. So, 0:05:08.380 --> 0:05:10.740 I mean, it's going to be a close race. And 0:05:10.779 --> 0:05:13.339 I think the Republican who's running for governor there is 0:05:13.400 --> 0:05:17.300 going to do much better than Paxton will in the 0:05:17.339 --> 0:05:19.960 Senate race. But all that being said, I just think 0:05:20.000 --> 0:05:21.940 he's got enough people in Texas to get him over 0:05:21.960 --> 0:05:22.460 the finish line. 0:05:23.089 --> 0:05:27.010 So here's something I don't fully understand, and I'm sure 0:05:27.060 --> 0:05:30.700 you do. So if the Democrats take the House but 0:05:30.760 --> 0:05:33.440 don't have the Senate, what does that mean for the 0:05:33.500 --> 0:05:37.140 next two years? If the Democrats take the House and 0:05:37.240 --> 0:05:39.279 the Senate, what does that mean for the next two years? 0:05:41.160 --> 0:05:41.740 A couple of things. 0:05:41.880 --> 0:05:45.700 The biggest difference in the Democrats taking the Senate or 0:05:45.779 --> 0:05:49.880 not taking the Senate will be to confirming the president's nominees. 0:05:50.680 --> 0:05:54.500 So the president's going to nominate people to executive positions 0:05:54.540 --> 0:05:57.660 in his administration. He's going to nominate judges, which has 0:05:57.700 --> 0:06:01.120 been actually one of the biggest legacies of the six 0:06:01.160 --> 0:06:04.500 years of the Trump presidency. All of those nominations are 0:06:04.520 --> 0:06:08.250 going to get stopped by the Democrats. Very, very few 0:06:08.290 --> 0:06:10.630 people are going to get through if the Democrats control 0:06:10.650 --> 0:06:13.890 the Senate versus just controlling the House. The other thing 0:06:13.920 --> 0:06:17.420 the Democrats can do if they control the Senate is 0:06:17.480 --> 0:06:20.169 they can pass legislation because they'll have majority, you know, 0:06:20.230 --> 0:06:22.430 working majorities potentially in the Senate and the House. Now, 0:06:22.450 --> 0:06:24.970 they won't have 60 votes in the Senate, which is 0:06:25.029 --> 0:06:28.060 usually what you need to pass legislation. But they'll have 0:06:28.120 --> 0:06:32.490 enough to do some bare amount of legislative activity. And 0:06:32.580 --> 0:06:34.250 that activity is then going to go to Trump and 0:06:34.270 --> 0:06:36.190 Trump's going to veto it. So it's going to create 0:06:36.910 --> 0:06:39.790 maybe not a difference in outcome, but a difference certainly 0:06:39.830 --> 0:06:43.810 in the level of conflict potentially on legislative matters. The 0:06:43.850 --> 0:06:45.729 only thing I'll say about this, Jack, is I think 0:06:45.810 --> 0:06:48.370 it doesn't really matter. Actually, if Democrats take the Senate 0:06:48.410 --> 0:06:51.200 at the end of the day. What really matters is 0:06:51.260 --> 0:06:53.500 if they take one chamber, which is the House, and 0:06:53.520 --> 0:06:55.219 it looks like they're going to take that one chamber, 0:06:55.880 --> 0:06:58.020 they are going to use that as a launching pad 0:06:58.080 --> 0:07:01.820 for investigations against the president and the administration and against 0:07:01.900 --> 0:07:04.660 companies that did work with the president and against the 0:07:04.700 --> 0:07:08.440 president's family, the president's pets, if he has any. I mean, 0:07:08.460 --> 0:07:11.980 they're going to investigate everything. It only takes one chamber 0:07:12.000 --> 0:07:12.340 to do that. 0:07:12.380 --> 0:07:14.400 Which is why Joe and I are taking two years off, 0:07:14.760 --> 0:07:17.980 and we're going to do something, learn pottery or something, 0:07:18.000 --> 0:07:19.740 and then come back. Because, I mean, that's going to 0:07:19.780 --> 0:07:24.330 be a drag, man, the never-ending investigations. So I don't remember. Well, 0:07:24.450 --> 0:07:27.690 do you think they'll go full-on impeachment? I've read various 0:07:27.750 --> 0:07:30.590 think pieces from Democrats where they think, oh, right off 0:07:30.630 --> 0:07:32.390 the bat, we've got to start impeaching this guy. Or 0:07:32.450 --> 0:07:35.510 others that say people are tired of that. That's not 0:07:35.550 --> 0:07:36.770 the best road for us to go down. Do you 0:07:36.790 --> 0:07:37.390 think they'll impeach? 0:07:38.350 --> 0:07:39.370 You know, it depends on. 0:07:40.290 --> 0:07:42.710 It's like the devil and the angel on your shoulder, right? 0:07:42.730 --> 0:07:44.170 Do you listen to the devil or do you listen 0:07:44.190 --> 0:07:47.010 to the angel? Just strictly from a political perspective, I'm 0:07:47.030 --> 0:07:51.330 not going to. you know, opine on whether and how 0:07:51.370 --> 0:07:53.090 they should do it. But my point is that I 0:07:53.150 --> 0:07:55.960 think that there are some number of Democrats who just say, 0:07:56.000 --> 0:07:58.680 you know what, it feels good. Let's just do it. 0:07:58.720 --> 0:08:00.080 Let's impeach him again. 0:08:01.150 --> 0:08:03.390 And those who are thinking about the long-term health of 0:08:03.410 --> 0:08:07.270 the Democratic Party and their ability to be competitive, for example, 0:08:07.290 --> 0:08:10.250 in the 2028 presidential election, I think that that depends 0:08:10.330 --> 0:08:13.860 on them taking a more measured route and one that 0:08:13.960 --> 0:08:16.800 doesn't fixate on Trump but instead fixates on what is 0:08:16.840 --> 0:08:17.500 their agenda. 0:08:17.580 --> 0:08:19.920 I think that crowd's right. I think the country would 0:08:19.980 --> 0:08:22.040 react very poorly to another impeachment. 0:08:22.560 --> 0:08:22.980 Probably. 0:08:23.460 --> 0:08:24.360 Oh, my God. 0:08:24.380 --> 0:08:24.890 We're sick of it. 0:08:24.920 --> 0:08:26.680 People are sick of it. I mean, you know, Trump 0:08:26.700 --> 0:08:29.000 is going to be gone in two years. And a 0:08:29.220 --> 0:08:31.960 lot of people already are more than familiar with Trump's 0:08:32.720 --> 0:08:35.420 downsides and the things they don't like about him. And, 0:08:35.620 --> 0:08:38.310 you know, the big question going into this election, and 0:08:38.330 --> 0:08:40.710 I think going into the next several elections, is what 0:08:40.730 --> 0:08:44.550 do the Democrats actually stand for beyond being the party 0:08:44.610 --> 0:08:48.390 of not Trump? Because that's pretty much in every single campaign, 0:08:48.410 --> 0:08:51.690 whether it's California or anywhere else. They basically just stand 0:08:51.750 --> 0:08:54.330 up and say, oh, by the way, I'm not Donald Trump. 0:08:54.370 --> 0:08:57.410 I mean, I see these ads for people in California saying, 0:08:58.230 --> 0:09:01.939 And other states. And it's like, whether you win or not, 0:09:01.980 --> 0:09:03.600 and whatever you do, it's got nothing to do with 0:09:03.640 --> 0:09:06.920 Donald Trump. There's nothing in your job title or description 0:09:07.360 --> 0:09:09.140 that has anything to do with Donald Trump. And that's 0:09:09.200 --> 0:09:12.770 all they've been talking about for the last, since 2016. 0:09:12.770 --> 0:09:15.250 So they've got a real challenge, which is what are 0:09:15.270 --> 0:09:17.709 they going to be for as we look ahead? And 0:09:17.750 --> 0:09:19.100 I think that's what they should focus on. 0:09:19.330 --> 0:09:21.660 Well, I've quoted you a bunch of times since the 0:09:21.700 --> 0:09:24.440 last time we had you on, on the whole, don't 0:09:24.500 --> 0:09:27.679 be surprised if AOC's the candidate. That's what's going to 0:09:27.700 --> 0:09:29.540 be the most interesting thing to me. Are they going 0:09:29.559 --> 0:09:33.360 to decide to double down on all the energy of 0:09:33.740 --> 0:09:35.880 the youth and the people with too many degrees who 0:09:35.920 --> 0:09:38.450 want socialism? Are they going to actually take a swing 0:09:38.490 --> 0:09:41.530 at that or not? And I can't... I'm not that 0:09:41.570 --> 0:09:44.450 interested in all these midterm races. I am super interested 0:09:44.510 --> 0:09:47.050 in who who's going to emerge as a nominee for 0:09:47.080 --> 0:09:47.939 the Democratic Party. 0:09:48.740 --> 0:09:51.020 Yeah, I'm fascinated by that, too. And I think the 0:09:51.059 --> 0:09:54.679 reason why AOC has a level of interest, at least 0:09:54.730 --> 0:09:57.110 as I look at the contest, is because she actually 0:09:57.150 --> 0:09:58.949 you know, there are actually things that she says she's 0:09:59.010 --> 0:10:03.579 for now. we i personally disagree with pretty much all 0:10:03.620 --> 0:10:05.800 of what she's for but at least she talks about 0:10:06.040 --> 0:10:10.430 some agenda right she talks about increases to increasing taxes 0:10:10.910 --> 0:10:14.570 and socialized medicine and wanting to make sure that government 0:10:14.610 --> 0:10:16.589 gets more involved in people's lives she's got a point 0:10:16.610 --> 0:10:19.770 of view about all of that And at the very least, 0:10:19.790 --> 0:10:22.570 whether you agree or disagree, that is an agenda. And 0:10:22.990 --> 0:10:25.470 I think she's also, you know, a pretty compelling messenger 0:10:25.590 --> 0:10:27.590 because she knows how to talk about that agenda. So 0:10:28.510 --> 0:10:30.830 it's going to be incumbent upon Democrats to figure out 0:10:31.390 --> 0:10:33.609 what it is they're actually for. And I think that's 0:10:33.630 --> 0:10:36.290 going to be the definitional question of the next couple 0:10:36.309 --> 0:10:36.650 of years. 0:10:37.330 --> 0:10:39.429 And that all starts right away. Oh, I don't know 0:10:39.450 --> 0:10:41.930 if you saw this. Mark Halpern wrote the other day 0:10:41.960 --> 0:10:46.170 that his sources are showing him that Pete Buttigieg is 0:10:46.470 --> 0:10:51.000 all in on kneecapping Gavin Newsom hard and early to 0:10:51.040 --> 0:10:52.620 make sure he doesn't even get out of the gate. 0:10:52.960 --> 0:10:53.680 That's exciting. 0:10:54.540 --> 0:10:56.380 Oh, it's so funny. You know, Jack, I was, I 0:10:56.420 --> 0:11:00.820 was actually on television the other day and, and Buttigieg 0:11:00.860 --> 0:11:04.250 did the interview right before me. And I almost fell 0:11:04.290 --> 0:11:07.870 asleep during that interview. I mean, I, I, you could 0:11:07.890 --> 0:11:12.860 not find a, a more bland kind of dry interview. Now, Look, 0:11:13.360 --> 0:11:15.479 in some ways, it's because he's got a lot of 0:11:15.540 --> 0:11:17.679 ideas and he wants to talk about those ideas. But 0:11:18.350 --> 0:11:20.510 if he wants to kneecap Gavin Newsom, go right ahead 0:11:20.550 --> 0:11:22.030 and try. I mean, I think that's going to be 0:11:22.050 --> 0:11:24.450 a very difficult endeavor because I think Newsom is still 0:11:24.470 --> 0:11:28.530 going to be a fairly significant candidate in the 2028 0:11:28.530 --> 0:11:29.849 race for the Democrats. And I think a lot of 0:11:29.870 --> 0:11:31.200 people know who he is. He's been governor of the 0:11:31.220 --> 0:11:33.580 biggest state in the country. And a lot of Democrats 0:11:33.640 --> 0:11:35.220 like the way he's taking the fight to Trump. So 0:11:35.480 --> 0:11:37.140 it's not going to be that easy to kneecap him 0:11:37.179 --> 0:11:38.959 if that's what Buttigieg does. And certainly not with the 0:11:39.000 --> 0:11:41.860 Buttigieg energy that he projected on that interview the other day. 0:11:41.920 --> 0:11:42.459 Holy cow. 0:11:44.179 --> 0:11:46.280 And before we let you go. So, Gavin, do you 0:11:46.320 --> 0:11:49.179 think Gavin has chosen a lane or is he waiting 0:11:49.200 --> 0:11:51.580 to see how things shake out? If he should tack 0:11:51.640 --> 0:11:56.300 toward the, you know, the woke communist progressive crowd or 0:11:56.360 --> 0:11:58.480 like mainstream Democrat? Do you think he's waiting to see 0:11:58.990 --> 0:12:00.350 which way the party wants? 0:12:01.160 --> 0:12:06.200 That's a great question and actually a super insightful observation 0:12:06.280 --> 0:12:09.809 because a lot of people have assumed, look, Newsom, he's 0:12:09.850 --> 0:12:12.449 going to run on this platform or that. I don't 0:12:12.490 --> 0:12:14.650 actually think we know yet. And I think you're right 0:12:14.770 --> 0:12:17.209 that he's waiting because he's got some optionality. Does he 0:12:17.250 --> 0:12:19.929 want to be San Francisco Gavin? Or does he want 0:12:19.970 --> 0:12:24.940 to be very occasional Sacramento Gavin, dealmaker Gavin? 0:12:25.380 --> 0:12:26.440 I think he could be either. 0:12:26.600 --> 0:12:28.120 He could be either depending on what he needs to be. 0:12:28.880 --> 0:12:30.929 Yeah, that's that's an interesting one, too. I'd love to 0:12:30.950 --> 0:12:33.110 be in those meetings where they're like reading the tea 0:12:33.130 --> 0:12:33.770 leaves on that. 0:12:34.210 --> 0:12:36.050 Yeah, yeah. And a lot of it will depend on 0:12:36.490 --> 0:12:38.490 how the electorate shakes that into your point. Does the 0:12:38.630 --> 0:12:42.350 energy behind this democratic socialist movement continue to grow? And 0:12:42.390 --> 0:12:45.190 if it does, boy, you're going to start seeing some 0:12:45.390 --> 0:12:48.330 images of Gavin from his time as mayor. And he 0:12:48.370 --> 0:12:51.320 was the progressive champion and yada, yada, yada. If it 0:12:51.360 --> 0:12:53.040 moves in the other direction, you're going to say you're 0:12:53.059 --> 0:12:55.360 going to see someone who talks about all of the 0:12:55.460 --> 0:12:57.480 things he did to, you know, whatever, increase. 0:12:57.540 --> 0:13:00.560 Nobody says Latinx. You know, he'll be that guy. 0:13:00.620 --> 0:13:05.120 I've never said that. So anyway, it'll be interesting. But 0:13:05.420 --> 0:13:07.740 I'll tell you what, you're absolutely right, Jack. The day 0:13:07.940 --> 0:13:11.420 after the midterm elections, November 4th, so in just two weeks, 0:13:12.000 --> 0:13:14.900 we're going to have the start of the 2028 presidential primary. 0:13:15.000 --> 0:13:18.150 Buckle up. It's coming. That I am interested in. Lonny Heachin, 0:13:18.170 --> 0:13:20.630 thanks for your time, is always the director of domestic 0:13:20.670 --> 0:13:23.670 policy studies at Stanford University and an all-around great guy. Thanks, Lonny. 0:13:24.429 --> 0:13:27.470 Thank you. Have a good one. Yeah, that is interesting. 0:13:28.260 --> 0:13:29.300 Is he going to go woke or is he going 0:13:29.320 --> 0:13:31.800 to go mainstream? And he doesn't know himself yet. I'll bet. 0:13:33.280 --> 0:13:34.600 We want to tell you about our friends at Blue 0:13:34.640 --> 0:13:37.140 Collar Dollar before we take a break. 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I feel like if Joe were here, 0:14:54.870 --> 0:14:58.430 he might talk us out of it. Joe's not here, 0:14:58.710 --> 0:15:00.350 so I have to make the decision on my own. 0:15:01.330 --> 0:15:05.370 There is an October surprise that has just broken around 0:15:05.510 --> 0:15:11.500 Lindsey Graham. Lindsey Graham. Headline on Lindsey Graham is he's dead. 0:15:11.860 --> 0:15:14.979 He's not running for office. His sister's running for office. 0:15:15.020 --> 0:15:17.620 Have you seen the breaking news, Katie? 0:15:18.080 --> 0:15:21.340 Is this, are we hitting like the hashtag too soon thing? 0:15:21.640 --> 0:15:24.940 Well, no, no. Well, so this, this is what's breaking. 0:15:25.800 --> 0:15:29.970 Lindsey Graham paid off three male escorts, including one who 0:15:29.990 --> 0:15:34.310 was 17 at the time. Explosive documentary alleges. Now this 0:15:34.390 --> 0:15:37.050 comes out of the young Turks. I don't know if 0:15:37.090 --> 0:15:40.050 you know their act, but they are. Hassan Piker was 0:15:40.090 --> 0:15:44.300 a young Turks guy and, It's very popular with the 0:15:44.340 --> 0:15:47.180 young crowd, but a lot of crazy stuff that turns 0:15:47.200 --> 0:15:48.840 out to not to be true. So I feel a 0:15:48.860 --> 0:15:52.780 little dirty about even bringing this up, helping promote this story. 0:15:53.120 --> 0:15:56.910 The other side of this would be that it's exploding 0:15:56.970 --> 0:15:59.190 on social media and it's going to be all over 0:15:59.210 --> 0:16:01.230 the place. I don't know if Fox will ever cover 0:16:01.270 --> 0:16:03.340 it or respond to it or if the. like ABC 0:16:03.380 --> 0:16:06.240 News would talk about it or whatever. We're going to 0:16:06.260 --> 0:16:08.100 play a little bit from the documentary in just a second. 0:16:09.100 --> 0:16:11.420 One response from one of my political pundits was, this 0:16:11.480 --> 0:16:15.820 is your big October surprise that Lindsey Graham was gay? First, 0:16:15.860 --> 0:16:18.660 this is not surprising. Secondly, he's dead, which is a 0:16:18.660 --> 0:16:22.490 good point. Here's a little bit from the documentary, using 0:16:22.550 --> 0:16:25.970 my finger quotes, that in theory features one of the 0:16:26.050 --> 0:16:27.570 dudes that had sex with Lindsey Graham. 0:16:28.270 --> 0:16:29.030 My name is Kelvin. 0:16:29.270 --> 0:16:32.300 I had sex with Lindsey Graham when I was 17. 0:16:32.300 --> 0:16:35.160 You're aware of a lot of anonymous comments made by 0:16:35.200 --> 0:16:37.870 people that may be afraid of a powerful senator. 0:16:37.630 --> 0:16:38.970 Regarding your sexuality? 0:16:39.050 --> 0:16:40.050 This is different to me. 0:16:40.230 --> 0:16:42.990 He's like, I really like to be degraded. The more degrading, 0:16:43.050 --> 0:16:43.450 the better. 0:16:43.470 --> 0:16:46.470 I believe elected officials should make those decisions when it 0:16:46.510 --> 0:16:47.630 comes to life and when it. 0:16:47.630 --> 0:16:49.650 Comes to marriage. He's like, I want you to state 0:16:49.710 --> 0:16:52.810 out loud again how old you are. Chelsea Handler put 0:16:52.850 --> 0:16:55.670 out a tweet about you, referring to you as National 0:16:55.710 --> 0:16:56.380 Coming Out Day. 0:16:56.390 --> 0:16:58.000 Three countries say what you want to say. 0:16:58.020 --> 0:16:58.580 I don't care. 0:16:58.620 --> 0:17:00.020 She knows zero about me. 0:17:00.240 --> 0:17:00.820 I'm not gay. 0:17:01.600 --> 0:17:04.920 Gave me $ 260 and my rate was $ 250. I did 0:17:05.960 --> 0:17:07.889 not have change on me for the 20, so I 0:17:08.090 --> 0:17:09.850 just kept the rest. 0:17:12.950 --> 0:17:16.330 So I was a Lindsey Graham fan. I didn't agree 0:17:16.430 --> 0:17:19.169 with all of his aggressive hawkishness, but most of it. 0:17:19.910 --> 0:17:24.179 And so he died unexpectedly. Hart gave out on him. 0:17:24.980 --> 0:17:26.720 His sister, I don't think this was a good idea, 0:17:26.800 --> 0:17:29.840 but ended up being the nominee because Trump put the 0:17:29.859 --> 0:17:33.429 thumb on the scale for that. But she is likely 0:17:33.470 --> 0:17:35.490 to win in South Carolina, although it's a close enough 0:17:35.550 --> 0:17:38.130 race that Trump was in South Carolina last night giving 0:17:38.150 --> 0:17:42.390 a speech. And now this drops. I don't know how 0:17:42.470 --> 0:17:44.790 South Carolina voters will react to this. I don't know 0:17:44.810 --> 0:17:47.889 what the pushback will be. That guy on that documentary 0:17:47.910 --> 0:17:51.490 better have lawyers because I assume the Graham people or 0:17:51.510 --> 0:17:54.130 the Republican Party or somebody is going to go after 0:17:54.170 --> 0:17:55.710 him and sue him because you can't just go around 0:17:55.750 --> 0:17:59.649 making claims like that. Oh, yeah. Lawyers and proof. Lawyers 0:17:59.690 --> 0:18:02.450 and proof. So we'll be hearing more about this throughout 0:18:02.490 --> 0:18:05.610 the day. I think if we don't hear anything about 0:18:05.650 --> 0:18:07.710 it and you ended up only hearing it here, I 0:18:07.750 --> 0:18:09.830 am going to feel really bad about myself because we 0:18:09.850 --> 0:18:12.609 shouldn't be putting out there crap. 0:18:13.250 --> 0:18:16.109 That was information, Jack. You were not putting out news. 0:18:16.150 --> 0:18:18.350 You're just letting everyone know what's happening. 0:18:18.710 --> 0:18:21.560 Yeah. You're fine. I didn't know Lindsey Graham had ever 0:18:21.619 --> 0:18:26.359 stated unequivocally he's not gay. Not that it matters. But anyway, 0:18:26.580 --> 0:18:28.340 that's that. Now you know that. Aren't you happy? 0:18:30.050 --> 0:18:31.210 Armstrong and Getty. 0:18:31.230 --> 0:18:35.910 The Armstrong and Getty Show. 0:18:57.250 --> 0:19:01.020 He's a CapTrust financial advisor. He's given me lots of 0:19:01.080 --> 0:19:03.500 advice over the years. He's Kelly Brothers. Welcome back to 0:19:03.540 --> 0:19:05.260 the Armstrong and Getty Show, Kelly. 0:19:05.820 --> 0:19:07.880 Jack, great to be on with you, my friend. Thanks 0:19:07.900 --> 0:19:08.260 so much. 0:19:08.440 --> 0:19:11.990 Quick question. When does the AI stock bubble burst? If 0:19:12.030 --> 0:19:13.609 you could give me a time and a day, that 0:19:13.630 --> 0:19:14.250 would be very handy. 0:19:16.520 --> 0:19:20.580 You know, I think you had me on back in, like, 09, 0:19:20.580 --> 0:19:22.060 and you asked, when does this turn? 0:19:22.080 --> 0:19:25.109