WEBVTT - The Unexpected Advice That Changed Trace Gallagher's Life 0:00:01.190 --> 0:00:06.029 Something's not right here crime is up all over the state. 0:00:05.710 --> 0:00:08.410 The homelessness in the city is out of control the 0:00:08.470 --> 0:00:11.310 economy is sick taxes are high. 0:00:11.010 --> 0:00:14.860 Housing is expensive and businesses are leaving leaving california needs 0:00:14.940 --> 0:00:19.140 fixing and john phillips is just the man to lead 0:00:19.180 --> 0:00:23.300 the charge it's the fix california hour with john phillips 0:00:23.500 --> 0:00:24.279 and randy. 0:00:24.040 --> 0:00:28.930 Wang And we continue at 105 in the afternoon on 0:00:28.950 --> 0:00:32.300 The John Phillips Show. Mr. Randy Wiggs in Culver City. 0:00:32.530 --> 0:00:34.620 John, I think I'm getting a little more vain in 0:00:34.659 --> 0:00:37.839 my ripe old age of 41. I'm looking at myself 0:00:37.900 --> 0:00:41.380 in the camera at johnnydontlike.com, and I'm like, the lighting 0:00:41.440 --> 0:00:44.720 in this studio is terrible. I have shadows under my eyes, 0:00:44.780 --> 0:00:47.670 and Johnny's looking great in his home studio, not in 0:00:47.729 --> 0:00:52.659 dumpy Culver City. Maybe I'm just jealous. We're broadcasting live 0:00:52.700 --> 0:00:56.060 on the radio on 790k ABC, 810k SFO, and live 0:00:56.150 --> 0:00:59.670 on YouTube at johnnydontlike.com. That's Johnny with a Y. I 0:00:59.710 --> 0:01:01.390 got to get you in there right now because I 0:01:01.410 --> 0:01:03.590 have a new poll. The last story that we did 0:01:03.690 --> 0:01:06.530 is one of the more divisive ones that we talk 0:01:06.569 --> 0:01:09.980 about on the show. Some people are for the flock cameras. 0:01:10.020 --> 0:01:13.179 Some people are against the flock cameras. So currently, the 0:01:13.220 --> 0:01:18.220 poll up at johnnydontlike.com. Do you support flock cameras? Flock 0:01:18.280 --> 0:01:22.420 is Fabulous has 32% of the vote, and Bleep Flock 0:01:22.480 --> 0:01:24.500 has 68% of the vote. 0:01:25.910 --> 0:01:26.550 Interesting. 0:01:27.950 --> 0:01:30.850 Well, if you decide to do something about that studio, 0:01:31.390 --> 0:01:35.569 just fool around with the lighting. Be careful with the Botox, 0:01:35.650 --> 0:01:38.470 because people who go wild with the Botox end up 0:01:38.510 --> 0:01:39.690 looking like Joan Rivers. 0:01:40.830 --> 0:01:42.590 I don't think I'm going down that route. 0:01:42.610 --> 0:01:43.810 800-222-5222. 0:01:43.870 --> 0:01:44.830 God rest her soul. 0:01:48.060 --> 0:01:48.170 1-800-222-5222. 0:01:49.800 --> 0:01:53.580 It is our pleasure to welcome our next guest to 0:01:53.600 --> 0:01:57.200 the program. He is the anchor of Fox News at Night, 0:01:57.260 --> 0:01:59.740 which you can watch each and every weeknight on the 0:01:59.780 --> 0:02:03.430 Fox News channel. He also has a brand new book 0:02:03.490 --> 0:02:09.650 that's available online at Amazon.com. It's called, Turns Out They 0:02:09.690 --> 0:02:17.440 Were Right All Along, Life Lessons Learned Eventually. Trace Gallagher, welcome. Welcome. 0:02:18.120 --> 0:02:20.090 John, thank you for having me. I appreciate it. Just 0:02:20.190 --> 0:02:23.170 very quickly, rundown here. I'm against the flock cameras. So 0:02:23.210 --> 0:02:25.150 just as we're getting, I was kind of catching it. 0:02:25.190 --> 0:02:27.510 I'm against the flock. I'm the bleep. I'm on the 0:02:27.570 --> 0:02:30.889 bleep flock side of that whole thing. The 68% there. 0:02:31.230 --> 0:02:33.970 And if you think Randy's lighting is bad in his studio, 0:02:34.030 --> 0:02:35.710 take a look at this. I mean, this is like, hey, 0:02:35.750 --> 0:02:38.010 pop it up. Try to get some sunlight in here 0:02:38.060 --> 0:02:38.900 and it's cloudy out. 0:02:40.360 --> 0:02:42.080 What are you on a porch somewhere? 0:02:45.430 --> 0:02:46.130 Oh, yeah. 0:02:46.190 --> 0:02:50.000 We're near a port somewhere. The book is called Turns 0:02:50.040 --> 0:02:53.080 Out They Were Right All Along. It's stories about me. 0:02:53.160 --> 0:02:56.470 It's stories about people that I have come to know, 0:02:56.650 --> 0:03:00.310 famous people, not famous people, people who have given me life. 0:03:00.840 --> 0:03:05.430 wonderful advice over the years that I summarily dismiss. Because 0:03:05.470 --> 0:03:07.869 of course, you know, when you're young, you're like, ah, 0:03:08.430 --> 0:03:11.270 I got it. I got it. Including, you know, people 0:03:11.290 --> 0:03:14.549 like the great John Wooden, the UCLA basketball coach. There's 0:03:14.570 --> 0:03:17.090 a great story in there about, and it's Southern California based. 0:03:17.169 --> 0:03:19.630 And so it's a story about when I was a kid, 0:03:19.650 --> 0:03:22.579 I went to Mammoth High School. Everybody, all your audience 0:03:22.600 --> 0:03:25.359 knows where Mammoth High School is, Mammoth Mountain, California. That 0:03:25.400 --> 0:03:28.359 was where I grew up. And when you go to 0:03:28.460 --> 0:03:31.560 Mammoth High School, John, California, You got to play three 0:03:31.570 --> 0:03:33.980 sports because there's only 200 kids in the whole school. 0:03:34.540 --> 0:03:37.100 So I was terrible at basketball. And I thought, if 0:03:37.180 --> 0:03:39.580 I could go to that wooden camp, man, oh, man, oh, man, 0:03:39.920 --> 0:03:41.980 I'm going to be golden. But it was 500 bucks. 0:03:42.380 --> 0:03:46.800 And back in 1977, 500 bucks was real money. My dad, 0:03:46.820 --> 0:03:48.030 you get half. I'll get half. 0:03:48.590 --> 0:03:49.130 I worked. 0:03:49.190 --> 0:03:51.490 I got half. Went to the wooden camp down here 0:03:51.510 --> 0:03:54.130 in Southern California. And I walked into the gym. And 0:03:54.450 --> 0:03:56.910 five minutes later, John Wooden walks out. The Wizard of 0:03:56.950 --> 0:04:00.650 Westwood walks out, taps the microphone three times. And he says, boys, 0:04:00.670 --> 0:04:03.410 he says, you should, you know, sit down, take your 0:04:03.430 --> 0:04:05.770 shoes and socks off. You should have two pairs of socks. 0:04:05.830 --> 0:04:07.830 Take those first pair of socks and you put them 0:04:08.010 --> 0:04:10.890 on inside out. You take the second pair and you 0:04:10.930 --> 0:04:12.690 put them on the right way. And then you put 0:04:12.730 --> 0:04:14.830 your shoes back on and you tie them up nice 0:04:14.910 --> 0:04:17.490 and tight. He says, if you do that, you will 0:04:17.630 --> 0:04:21.750 not have blisters. You cannot play basketball with blisters. And 0:04:21.800 --> 0:04:24.039 then John Wooden turned and he walked off stage and 0:04:24.080 --> 0:04:24.880 we never saw him again. 0:04:24.900 --> 0:04:27.560 The rest of the game. 500 months. 0:04:27.560 --> 0:04:32.440 500 bucks, that's what we got. A shoe-tying lesson from the. 0:04:32.050 --> 0:04:34.070 Wizard of Westwood. 0:04:34.089 --> 0:04:36.690 So that's good. But as you go through time, you learn, 0:04:37.010 --> 0:04:39.810 you know, he's a brilliant guy. He had the John 0:04:39.850 --> 0:04:43.589 Wooden Pyramid. So it kind of leads in those kinds 0:04:43.630 --> 0:04:47.570 of stories where, you know, sometimes you dismiss wisdom and 0:04:47.589 --> 0:04:49.420 then it comes back. To this day, I still wear 0:04:49.440 --> 0:04:51.100 two pairs of socks to play racquetball. 0:04:52.620 --> 0:04:55.740 Were you ever able to see him at the Valley 0:04:55.980 --> 0:05:00.050 Inn in Sherman Oaks? Because... The Valley Inn is the 0:05:00.089 --> 0:05:04.190 sportscaster's or was the sportscaster's hangout where not only would 0:05:04.250 --> 0:05:07.010 John Wooden eat dinner there like five nights a week, 0:05:07.560 --> 0:05:10.100 but Chick Hearn, the late great Chick Hearn, and his 0:05:10.140 --> 0:05:13.320 lovely wife Marge used to have dinner there like two 0:05:13.380 --> 0:05:16.680 nights a week. Dan Avey, my pal who worked at 0:05:16.720 --> 0:05:19.779 KABC with me, who was the voice of the USC 0:05:19.820 --> 0:05:23.780 Trojans football team and the LA Kings hockey team back 0:05:23.820 --> 0:05:26.240 in the early days, He used to go in there 0:05:26.279 --> 0:05:28.960 like five days a week. You'd go into this restaurant 0:05:29.000 --> 0:05:31.150 in Sherman Oaks and you'd see all of these sports 0:05:31.230 --> 0:05:33.130 legends everywhere you turned. 0:05:33.760 --> 0:05:33.980 Yeah. 0:05:34.080 --> 0:05:37.719 Well, listen, yes, I've heard the stories. I've met some 0:05:37.760 --> 0:05:40.420 of those legends. But no, never did I attend. Never 0:05:40.460 --> 0:05:43.240 did I go there. But but, you know, because I 0:05:43.279 --> 0:05:46.160 was in those early years and I was not here 0:05:46.200 --> 0:05:48.730 in L.A. I was in Yuma, Arizona. Right. You're trying 0:05:48.750 --> 0:05:51.450 to get your reps in television. I was in Yuma, Arizona, 0:05:51.470 --> 0:05:53.610 and I was in Boise, Idaho. And then I went 0:05:53.650 --> 0:05:57.130 to Vegas and then it's off to Orlando and then 0:05:57.190 --> 0:06:00.070 New York and then Chicago and Los Angeles. You know, 0:06:00.130 --> 0:06:03.450 it's like being in the army where you're not shooting anybody, 0:06:03.710 --> 0:06:05.469 but that's kind of what you do is you just 0:06:05.589 --> 0:06:08.230 make your way around the country. So, no, I did not, 0:06:08.710 --> 0:06:11.910 I did not, was not enmeshed in that Southern California 0:06:11.950 --> 0:06:14.060 culture at the time when it came to sports. 0:06:15.440 --> 0:06:20.660 Recently, John Morgan of Morgan & Morgan, the famous litigator 0:06:21.160 --> 0:06:24.200 who is also a mega donor, used to be with 0:06:24.220 --> 0:06:27.680 the Democratic Party, now he's an independent, made a lot 0:06:27.720 --> 0:06:31.700 of headlines by talking about work from home. And he 0:06:31.760 --> 0:06:35.560 no longer allows people in his office to work from 0:06:35.610 --> 0:06:37.810 home because what he said that he was finding out 0:06:37.870 --> 0:06:41.630 was that nobody was doing anything. It wasn't work from home. 0:06:41.690 --> 0:06:44.870 It was not working at all, but the paychecks were 0:06:44.890 --> 0:06:48.450 still going out. So he's forcing everyone back into the office. 0:06:48.490 --> 0:06:51.070 We just had him on the podcast, which is going 0:06:51.100 --> 0:06:54.560 to air tomorrow. And one of the things that he said, 0:06:54.620 --> 0:06:58.140 because he also has a book out about his career, 0:06:58.940 --> 0:07:01.420 is that a lot of the breaks that he's gotten 0:07:01.580 --> 0:07:05.620 in his life have happened because he's been in the 0:07:05.790 --> 0:07:11.070 office when everything's gone to hell. And opportunity presented itself. 0:07:11.510 --> 0:07:13.510 And he was the guy who was there. He was 0:07:13.550 --> 0:07:16.830 the guy who was ready to take the reins. And 0:07:16.970 --> 0:07:21.010 if you're not physically present, if you're not there, when 0:07:21.070 --> 0:07:24.110 they need someone to solve a problem for the managers, 0:07:24.690 --> 0:07:27.910 then you miss out on a lot of opportunities. How 0:07:28.010 --> 0:07:31.090 much in your book and in your career was being 0:07:31.410 --> 0:07:34.770 physically present, being physically there, how much of a role 0:07:34.810 --> 0:07:36.240 did that play in your success? 0:07:36.620 --> 0:07:38.640 Oh, I think it's 90%. I mean, by the way, 0:07:38.680 --> 0:07:41.220 John Morgan, you know, when I was in Orlando doing 0:07:41.240 --> 0:07:44.000 the news in Orlando, John Morgan, that was the base 0:07:44.060 --> 0:07:47.750 for their mega company, right? And then they started kind 0:07:47.770 --> 0:07:50.960 of going to, gravitating to states that were, you know, 0:07:50.980 --> 0:07:53.220 it would be more amenable for them where they could 0:07:53.260 --> 0:07:56.100 win these lawsuits and that. So that's how John Morgan 0:07:56.140 --> 0:08:01.160 became this behemoth in the injury law profession. But, you know, 0:08:01.240 --> 0:08:04.300 showing up, John, is 90% of the battle, right? I mean, 0:08:04.560 --> 0:08:08.110 it's like, I don't know who said this, but it's 0:08:08.120 --> 0:08:10.130 like someone once told me, and he said, you know, 0:08:10.170 --> 0:08:12.470 the bottom line here is it's great to win the fight. 0:08:12.890 --> 0:08:14.810 But it's a lot more important to show up for 0:08:14.830 --> 0:08:17.070 the fight. Because if you show up for the fight, 0:08:17.430 --> 0:08:19.500 it tells your opponent that you are willing to go 0:08:19.600 --> 0:08:24.000 toe-to-toe and face-to-face. And you are also willing to endure 0:08:24.060 --> 0:08:29.030 some very uncomfortable consequences, even if you win. That's the 0:08:29.070 --> 0:08:31.610 whole point because even if you win a fight, you're 0:08:31.630 --> 0:08:33.530 going to get your butt whipped a little bit. You're 0:08:33.550 --> 0:08:37.210 going to have some negative impact in that, and that's 0:08:37.230 --> 0:08:40.220 how life is. It doesn't matter what you do or 0:08:40.250 --> 0:08:43.760 where you go. If you go to Yuma, Arizona, you're 0:08:43.780 --> 0:08:47.660 making $ 11, 000 a year. You're getting experience in television, but 0:08:47.679 --> 0:08:54.179 you're destitute. You're out covering stories in 125-degree temperatures. I mean, 0:08:54.220 --> 0:08:58.160 that's the Boise, Idaho, the opposite, where it's 45 degrees below. 0:08:58.260 --> 0:09:01.260 And you're kind of in the same vein. You have 0:09:01.320 --> 0:09:03.820 to show up. And the guys who keep showing up 0:09:03.900 --> 0:09:06.960 are the ones who always come out first. You just 0:09:07.080 --> 0:09:09.700 keep showing up again and again and again. And either 0:09:09.740 --> 0:09:12.320 they get tired of you and let you do what 0:09:12.360 --> 0:09:15.459 you've been wanting to do, or you get good enough 0:09:15.520 --> 0:09:18.120 at what you've been wanting to do. It's like covering 0:09:18.160 --> 0:09:21.400 breaking news. At the early years of Fox News, all 0:09:21.450 --> 0:09:24.490 we did for hours and hours especially here in LA, 0:09:24.670 --> 0:09:27.770 cover breaking news, car chases. You cover a car chase. 0:09:28.130 --> 0:09:32.100 After OJ, car chases became the thing to watch. And 0:09:32.120 --> 0:09:33.890 the ratings would go up and we would do them 0:09:33.980 --> 0:09:37.059 for hours and hours. We would do a goat caught 0:09:37.080 --> 0:09:40.240 on the side of a hill in Palos Verdes, right? 0:09:40.320 --> 0:09:41.839 And you'd sit there and do two and a half 0:09:41.880 --> 0:09:44.680 hours of broadcasting on it and wait until the goat 0:09:44.720 --> 0:09:47.320 was finally lifted off by a helicopter and the ratings 0:09:47.400 --> 0:09:50.719 were sky high. So It's just it's part and parcel 0:09:50.740 --> 0:09:53.450 of showing up. And then when you do show up, 0:09:53.730 --> 0:09:57.070 you've got to get better. You've got to be better 0:09:57.370 --> 0:09:59.100 at what you did and how you started. 0:10:00.520 --> 0:10:05.940 Throughout your career, you have interviewed very famous politicians. You've 0:10:05.980 --> 0:10:11.100 interviewed famous actors. You've interviewed diplomats. You've interviewed the best 0:10:11.140 --> 0:10:13.219 of the best, the cream of the crop in any 0:10:13.260 --> 0:10:17.050 number of professions. Is there any character traits that you've 0:10:17.130 --> 0:10:22.130 seen that are commonalities between people who are ultra successful 0:10:22.630 --> 0:10:24.510 in whatever it is that they do? And I ask 0:10:24.550 --> 0:10:29.280 that question because in my career, what I have noticed 0:10:29.559 --> 0:10:33.000 is that the people who are super successful are just animals. 0:10:33.700 --> 0:10:37.930 They consume a lot of life. They don't sleep very much. 0:10:38.150 --> 0:10:41.220 They want to be everywhere. They eat a ton. They 0:10:41.380 --> 0:10:45.660 exercise a ton. Everything they do, they do in excess. 0:10:46.179 --> 0:10:49.210 And they want to consume as much life as humanly possible. 0:10:49.230 --> 0:10:52.330 It's very true. I mean, they also, you know, they 0:10:52.370 --> 0:10:54.650 tend to drink a little bit more than they should 0:10:54.670 --> 0:10:58.469 be drinking. You know, it's all hands on deck for them, right? 0:10:58.490 --> 0:11:01.530 They want a little bit of everything. It's like this 0:11:01.630 --> 0:11:04.110 buffet and they're not going to leave anything. They're going 0:11:04.130 --> 0:11:06.150 to take a dab of everything and they're going to 0:11:06.190 --> 0:11:09.670 taste everything because it's their personality. It's who they are. 0:11:09.690 --> 0:11:13.650 And it's, you know, where the anxiety just eats them 0:11:13.750 --> 0:11:16.630 alive inside. And so they can't really sleep all that much. 0:11:16.940 --> 0:11:18.900 So they get up and they start doing, you know, 0:11:18.940 --> 0:11:21.640 the people that I've talked to, one of the things that, 0:11:21.720 --> 0:11:24.350 you know, you mentioned that it's just doing everything. One 0:11:24.370 --> 0:11:26.949 of the things that I've also found that is that 0:11:27.010 --> 0:11:30.730 is one of these endearing qualities of people. It doesn't 0:11:30.770 --> 0:11:33.730 matter if it's Tom Hanks or if it's Donald Trump. 0:11:34.110 --> 0:11:37.199 These people who are who are capable of telling you 0:11:37.260 --> 0:11:40.540 a compelling story and just making you sit and listen 0:11:40.700 --> 0:11:42.440 for a minute, minute and a half. And you can't 0:11:42.540 --> 0:11:45.349 wait to hear how the story comes out. They've all 0:11:45.490 --> 0:11:48.950 got that kind of, you know, that trait where they're 0:11:49.110 --> 0:11:54.380 just good storytellers, right? They've done enough. They've been successful 0:11:54.440 --> 0:11:57.220 enough that they've got some great stories. They know what 0:11:57.300 --> 0:12:00.540 stories work. They know what stories don't. And so if 0:12:00.640 --> 0:12:04.700 you find somebody who is ultra successful, one of the 0:12:04.760 --> 0:12:07.760 traits that you will note that is in common, a 0:12:07.840 --> 0:12:11.200 lot of these people have, is the ability to tell 0:12:11.600 --> 0:12:14.600 a good story, a compelling story. It can be 30 seconds. 0:12:14.679 --> 0:12:17.600 It can be 10 minutes. It doesn't matter. Somebody who 0:12:17.640 --> 0:12:22.760 can hold the room for 30 seconds or 10 minutes 0:12:23.160 --> 0:12:27.220 tends to be ultra successful in life, at least I've found. 0:12:28.179 --> 0:12:31.040 I'll tell you something else. That type of person to 0:12:31.100 --> 0:12:36.239 me seems incapable of retirement, where I just can't look at, 0:12:36.630 --> 0:12:39.830 Donald Trump and see him sitting on a sofa watching 0:12:39.870 --> 0:12:43.230 reruns of judge Judy. I don't see that happening. I 0:12:43.270 --> 0:12:45.850 don't see Nancy Pelosi doing that. I mean, look for 0:12:45.890 --> 0:12:49.490 heaven's sake, look at Frank Sinatra, how he spent his 0:12:49.570 --> 0:12:53.550 final years of life, even though the guy could barely 0:12:53.570 --> 0:12:57.069 had a voice left, uh, couldn't really stand on stage 0:12:57.130 --> 0:13:01.069 for the duration of a concert was still traveling around 0:13:01.110 --> 0:13:04.860 the globe and singing. Because that was what he knew 0:13:05.280 --> 0:13:07.880 and that's what he did. And he did it all 0:13:07.920 --> 0:13:09.040 the way until the end. 0:13:09.940 --> 0:13:14.480 Tony Bennett was 94, 95. He had Alzheimer's for five 0:13:14.540 --> 0:13:16.380 or six years and he would still get up there 0:13:16.450 --> 0:13:20.530 and sing every note of every song. I mean, literally 0:13:20.690 --> 0:13:23.910 days before he died, he went up on stage and 0:13:23.970 --> 0:13:26.880 performed a couple of his songs. It just gets in 0:13:26.920 --> 0:13:29.280 your blood and you can't leave it alone. I mean, 0:13:29.300 --> 0:13:30.839 you look at some of the guys, I look at 0:13:30.860 --> 0:13:32.580 some of the people at Fox, I look at Larry 0:13:32.620 --> 0:13:36.540 Kudlow who worked at, he's 79. He worked at the 0:13:36.580 --> 0:13:39.700 White House, right? He was decided at 71, he was 0:13:39.740 --> 0:13:41.060 gonna go work at the White House. So he worked 0:13:41.080 --> 0:13:42.880 at the White House four years. And now he's 75, 0:13:42.880 --> 0:13:44.500 are you gonna retire? No, I'm gonna go back and 0:13:44.540 --> 0:13:47.319 work at Fox News. for another four or five, six years. 0:13:47.400 --> 0:13:49.990 Who knows? But that's the kind, it's just, it gets 0:13:50.000 --> 0:13:53.110 in their blood and they can't leave it. And so 0:13:53.150 --> 0:13:58.330 you're exactly right. People, Dick Van Dyke will be 101 0:13:58.330 --> 0:14:01.890 years old in December. He's still doing interviews. You're like, 0:14:01.929 --> 0:14:04.829 what is going on here? George Burns was still smoking 0:14:04.890 --> 0:14:09.070 cigars at 93. and laughing because he was still alive. 0:14:09.130 --> 0:14:11.430 He'd smoke 10 cigars a day and laugh because I'm 0:14:11.450 --> 0:14:13.410 still alive. He lived to be 100. I mean, it's 0:14:13.429 --> 0:14:16.400 just that it's this whole zest for life. You talk 0:14:16.440 --> 0:14:18.619 about your, you know, you got to have exercise. I 0:14:18.660 --> 0:14:21.200 think if you've got a zest for life, you're going 0:14:21.220 --> 0:14:25.380 to live. You are going to live a decently long life. 0:14:26.460 --> 0:14:30.400 Now, in the book, you talk about your various positions 0:14:30.420 --> 0:14:33.440 that you've had all over the country in broadcast journalism. 0:14:34.400 --> 0:14:37.640 And in the old days, that was how people made 0:14:37.660 --> 0:14:40.250 it in the business. You started out at a small market. 0:14:40.300 --> 0:14:43.830 You started out on weekends. You started out doing late nights, 0:14:44.350 --> 0:14:46.670 the jobs that the people who had been there a 0:14:46.710 --> 0:14:49.990 long time didn't want. You proved yourself, and then you 0:14:50.010 --> 0:14:52.430 worked your way up the food chain to bigger markets 0:14:52.510 --> 0:14:55.000 and bigger shows until finally you end up in a 0:14:55.040 --> 0:14:58.580 big market or a cable channel or a network or 0:14:58.940 --> 0:15:02.820 something along those lines. It seems like now with the 0:15:02.880 --> 0:15:06.960 new guard... That is changing, where you don't see people 0:15:07.060 --> 0:15:10.300 moving around from those smaller affiliates to the bigger ones 0:15:10.400 --> 0:15:13.680 to the biggest ones, where now people start out doing 0:15:13.740 --> 0:15:16.810 a podcast and they make themselves famous doing that, and 0:15:16.830 --> 0:15:19.490 then they just shoot right to the top. And there's 0:15:19.570 --> 0:15:23.210 not really that time that's spent allowing the cookie to 0:15:23.250 --> 0:15:27.510 bake in the oven and really understanding the craft and 0:15:27.670 --> 0:15:30.680 seeing every curveball that the pitcher can throw at you 0:15:30.680 --> 0:15:33.660 9,000 times. by the time that you're in the big 0:15:33.740 --> 0:15:36.210 leagues and you know how to hit that curve ball 0:15:36.260 --> 0:15:39.570 because you've done it so many times. Uh, now for 0:15:39.610 --> 0:15:42.310 a lot of these people, that's not what happens. They 0:15:42.330 --> 0:15:45.610 become famous on social media. They become famous on the 0:15:45.650 --> 0:15:49.170 podcast circuit or whatever. And then they go to the top, 0:15:49.210 --> 0:15:51.790 then they get the network shows and those sorts of things. 0:15:52.370 --> 0:15:55.290 And it seems to me like it's, and I don't 0:15:55.310 --> 0:15:57.050 know if it's a good thing or a bad thing. 0:15:57.090 --> 0:15:58.650 I'm sure from their point of view, it's a good 0:15:58.700 --> 0:16:01.840 thing because it's, they made it to the top in 0:16:01.860 --> 0:16:06.120 a relatively small amount of time. But I don't necessarily 0:16:06.160 --> 0:16:08.290 know if you learn all the things that people who 0:16:08.330 --> 0:16:11.610 started out at the bottom learn, and you don't necessarily 0:16:11.650 --> 0:16:15.370 have the skill set as someone who has seen everything 0:16:15.410 --> 0:16:16.450 that you can throw at them. 0:16:17.090 --> 0:16:19.590 Right. No, I think you're exactly right. And part of 0:16:19.610 --> 0:16:23.120 the problem is that now you have people that are specializing. 0:16:23.200 --> 0:16:27.010 So instead of going to work for KYEL in Yuma, Arizona. 0:16:27.270 --> 0:16:29.550 And by the way, some of these small markets that, 0:16:29.690 --> 0:16:31.530 you know, that I was able to kind of make 0:16:31.580 --> 0:16:34.120 my bones in have dried up. I mean, we used 0:16:34.160 --> 0:16:36.440 to have, you know, my station in Yuma used to 0:16:36.480 --> 0:16:40.260 have three, four newscasts a day. Now there's like all 0:16:40.280 --> 0:16:42.420 the stations are under one roof and they've got 15 0:16:42.420 --> 0:16:44.920 minutes at 11 o'clock. That's it. There's just no more 0:16:45.060 --> 0:16:47.930 money in local news anymore. So the small markets are 0:16:47.950 --> 0:16:50.750 drying up. But you're right when you talk about people 0:16:50.790 --> 0:16:53.580 who are in politics one day and they are a 0:16:53.620 --> 0:16:56.280 press secretary for somebody, and the next day, they're working 0:16:56.320 --> 0:16:59.340 for a cable channel, and they're kind of specializing in politics. 0:16:59.720 --> 0:17:03.820 They don't really have any broadcast teeth, but that's kind of, 0:17:04.060 --> 0:17:06.720 that's the way the game is now. You know, it's 0:17:06.740 --> 0:17:08.820 the whole thing we talked about repetition, right? I mean, 0:17:08.880 --> 0:17:10.840 we would sit there and do these breaking news stories 0:17:10.900 --> 0:17:13.080 every single day, and after you do them for so long, 0:17:13.380 --> 0:17:18.350 you get very good at it. You get good at these, 0:17:18.410 --> 0:17:23.530 you do it enough repetition. But There's not a place 0:17:24.119 --> 0:17:28.080 anymore for these young people to get one-man bands. They 0:17:28.100 --> 0:17:31.260 go out, they shoot the video, they edit the video, 0:17:31.320 --> 0:17:35.280 they're the reporter, they're the producer, they're everything. And so 0:17:35.420 --> 0:17:39.690 they can't just sit on television and speak. for hours 0:17:39.790 --> 0:17:43.340 on end. And I think that's a negative to this industry. 0:17:43.359 --> 0:17:46.340 I mean, you look at the way that Peter Jennings 0:17:46.380 --> 0:17:49.820 came through the ranks and you think that's a lot 0:17:49.940 --> 0:17:53.770 different than the guy who's currently anchoring at ABC. It's 0:17:53.810 --> 0:17:56.830 just a different trajectory because times could change and they 0:17:56.850 --> 0:17:59.830 will continue to change. I mean, my daughter was thinking 0:17:59.850 --> 0:18:03.230 about going into broadcasting And, you know, the small market 0:18:03.270 --> 0:18:04.570 was the part that she was going to go work 0:18:04.609 --> 0:18:06.869 for a campaign and she was going to become a 0:18:06.890 --> 0:18:09.530 press and then go from there. And that seems like 0:18:09.590 --> 0:18:11.930 an avenue to get in, you know, and you're exactly right. 0:18:11.990 --> 0:18:15.820 Get a podcast. Anybody can get a podcast. Sometimes it resonates. 0:18:15.880 --> 0:18:18.879 Sometimes it doesn't. You get a podcast, you get some listeners, 0:18:18.940 --> 0:18:20.500 people pick you up. And the next thing you know, 0:18:20.900 --> 0:18:23.240 you're off and running as a broadcaster. 0:18:23.330 --> 0:18:25.649 It reminds me of the old days with the first 0:18:25.730 --> 0:18:32.280 TV stars. when Lucy and when Jackie Gleason and all 0:18:32.300 --> 0:18:36.320 of these people became stars on television, they'd been working 0:18:36.359 --> 0:18:39.480 in vaudeville. They'd been working in radio. They've been working 0:18:39.520 --> 0:18:43.360 in the nightclubs. They'd been doing that a very long time. 0:18:43.900 --> 0:18:46.480 And by the time they were ready for television, they 0:18:46.520 --> 0:18:49.660 were ready. And when you put them on so many 0:18:49.680 --> 0:18:54.570 of those people became stars that are still recognizable today. People, 0:18:55.359 --> 0:18:58.740 hear Lucy's name and, you know, she's been dead for decades, 0:18:58.800 --> 0:19:01.360 but you talk to any little kid, they know Lucille 0:19:01.380 --> 0:19:04.500 Ball in part because when she went on that television 0:19:04.540 --> 0:19:07.220 screen in the 1950s, she was ready. 0:19:07.240 --> 0:19:10.979 Yeah, you listen to Jackie Gleason. Jackie Gleason will kind 0:19:11.000 --> 0:19:16.690 of go over his story and he and Art Carney, 0:19:17.150 --> 0:19:19.830 who played Norton on the old Jackie Gleason show, you know, 0:19:19.869 --> 0:19:23.369 they would do this routine and night after night after 0:19:23.530 --> 0:19:26.469 night on radio and in nightclubs and stuff, and by 0:19:26.510 --> 0:19:28.800 the time they got to television, they didn't even have 0:19:28.840 --> 0:19:31.260 to write these episodes. They just went out there and 0:19:31.300 --> 0:19:34.980 started doing their thing, and they could literally do them live, 0:19:35.560 --> 0:19:37.780 and that was the whole thing. It was such, there 0:19:37.800 --> 0:19:42.109 was so much repetition, and they had this great relationship 0:19:42.140 --> 0:19:45.590 and this rapport, and it was funny, and Lucille Ball 0:19:45.609 --> 0:19:47.380 is the same way. She could pick up, and you'd 0:19:47.400 --> 0:19:49.520 never write a script. She would just go out and 0:19:49.600 --> 0:19:52.840 she would be funny. And that has changed. Now it's, 0:19:52.920 --> 0:19:55.840 you know, it's the opposite, right? Because you need more. 0:19:56.220 --> 0:19:59.859 You need more writing. You need more rehearsals and stuff 0:19:59.980 --> 0:20:02.030 in comedy today than you did back in the day 0:20:02.070 --> 0:20:06.070 because they were doing it every single day and night 0:20:06.710 --> 0:20:10.320 in just building their careers. And now... you go into 0:20:10.359 --> 0:20:13.780 a different scenario almost every week when you're doing these 0:20:13.820 --> 0:20:15.639 comedy shows. So you talk to the people who are 0:20:15.660 --> 0:20:18.400 doing them and they're like, no, we labor over these 0:20:18.460 --> 0:20:22.720 things and we're doing seven, eight, nine takes because it's, 0:20:22.960 --> 0:20:25.160 you know, it's, it's not easy. You're not, you don't 0:20:25.180 --> 0:20:27.120 have the same timing as these guys used to have 0:20:27.160 --> 0:20:27.890 back in Vaughnville. 0:20:28.670 --> 0:20:31.710 The book is turns out they were right all along 0:20:31.890 --> 0:20:36.619 life lessons. I learned eventually. So many great stories. Check 0:20:36.700 --> 0:20:40.699 out the book. It's available at Amazon.com and watch Trace 0:20:40.820 --> 0:20:44.040 each and every weeknight on the Fox News channel. 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