WEBVTT - Does the Billionaire Tax Have a Secret Clause?

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<v Speaker 1>And we continue at one oh five in the afternoon

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<v Speaker 1>on the John Phillips Show, Mister Randy Wings in Culver City.

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<v Speaker 2>John, we are truly living in the future. The DMV

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<v Speaker 2>has just authorized changes. The cops can now give traffic

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<v Speaker 2>tickets to weaymos.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait, how do you give a traffic ticket to someone

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<v Speaker 1>who doesn't exist?

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<v Speaker 2>Good question. I guess they call the company and send

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<v Speaker 2>them a ticket through email.

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<v Speaker 1>What if the weaimo's drunk.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, if you put some of that ethanol in there,

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<v Speaker 2>it would be drunk.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe they can play it down to a wet, reckless

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<v Speaker 1>eight hundred two two two five two two two is

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<v Speaker 1>a telephone number one eight hundred two to two two

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<v Speaker 1>five two two two. Well, we know that the greedy

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<v Speaker 1>SCIU wants a wealth confiscation tax on the ballot this November,

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<v Speaker 1>targeting billionaires because they know the states broke and they're

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<v Speaker 1>trying to grab as much cash as possible while it's available.

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<v Speaker 1>Since they announced that they were pursuing this, over a

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<v Speaker 1>trillion dollars in wealth has already left the state of California.

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<v Speaker 1>And as we learn more about this initiative, an initiative

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, where they say they have the required

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<v Speaker 1>number of signatures to qualify for the ballot. Randy, there

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<v Speaker 1>are even more disturbing details than we initially thought.

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<v Speaker 2>A business group that opposes the billionaire tax has read

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<v Speaker 2>the language of this thirty five page proposition, and inside

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<v Speaker 2>it apparently is language that would allow the legislature to

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<v Speaker 2>change the terms whenever they want. Like let's say they

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<v Speaker 2>decide they want to make this a millionaire.

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<v Speaker 1>Tax, or they can say, look look at all of

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<v Speaker 1>the people who are millionaires on paper because they bought

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<v Speaker 1>a home in the San Fernando Valley in the nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>eighties and they're paying Prop thirteen taxes on it. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>go get them for unrealized games.

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<v Speaker 2>For more on this, here is kcra three and Ashley

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<v Speaker 2>Zavala go live.

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<v Speaker 3>Look at the state capitol right now. We're supporters of

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<v Speaker 3>the California Billionaires tax say that the proposal is now

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<v Speaker 3>a step closer to possibly going to voters this November.

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<v Speaker 3>That proposal places a one time they say, five percent

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<v Speaker 3>tax on billionaires and their assets to fund.

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<v Speaker 2>Does anybody believe that this is a one time assessment?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh no, no, this is testing the waters to see

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<v Speaker 1>how far they can go. Healthcare programs.

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<v Speaker 4>What a major business group is warning there is a

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<v Speaker 4>hidden piece of this proposal that could expand the tax

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<v Speaker 4>to more people in different ways. Our CACRI and three

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<v Speaker 4>political director Ashes of Alla joins us with what both

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<v Speaker 4>sides are saying.

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<v Speaker 5>Ashley, Yeah, this is a discussion that's happening online right

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<v Speaker 5>now about this piece of the proposal. The California Business

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<v Speaker 5>Roundtable lobbies on behalf of the state's largest businesses. That

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<v Speaker 5>group is warning that buried in the Billionaire's Tax is

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<v Speaker 5>a line that could allow state lawmakers to impose this

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<v Speaker 5>tax beyond billionaires without voter approval. The Billionaire's Tax Proposal

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<v Speaker 5>is thirty two pages long and talks about.

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<v Speaker 2>How why would this need to be thirty two pages

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<v Speaker 2>long unless they're trying to hide stuff in there.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like Judge Judy always used to say, the world

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<v Speaker 1>isn't that complicated. If you make something complicated, it's because

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<v Speaker 1>you're trying to hide something from me.

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<v Speaker 5>The Billionaire's Tax Proposal is thirty two pages long and

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<v Speaker 5>talks about how this whole tax would work.

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<v Speaker 6>Now.

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<v Speaker 5>The group is worried specifically about a section on page

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<v Speaker 5>twenty six that states, quote the Legislature.

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<v Speaker 7>May amend the twenty twenty six.

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<v Speaker 5>Billionaire tax by statute passed in each House of the

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<v Speaker 5>Legislature by roll call vote entered into the journal two

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<v Speaker 5>thirds of the membership concurring if the statute is consistent

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<v Speaker 5>with and furthers the purpose of the twenty twenty six

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<v Speaker 5>billionaires tax.

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<v Speaker 1>Armor.

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<v Speaker 5>The spokesperson for the California Business Roundtable explains the group's

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<v Speaker 5>concern with that it's.

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<v Speaker 8>A massive expansion of the legislature's ability to tax not

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<v Speaker 8>just billionaires. But they can choose to change the tax threshold,

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<v Speaker 8>they can choose to pick different property that gets taxed.

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<v Speaker 9>But what it really does is it gives the legislature the.

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<v Speaker 8>Ability and the power to tax anybody's savings account, retirement accounts.

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<v Speaker 8>It puts all of that path.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait, they're going to tax my savings account, all one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred dollars I have in there.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and just think about this. If they want to

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<v Speaker 1>get creative, they can tax just about anything. So a

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<v Speaker 1>pension is something you haven't drawn yet. If you're under

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<v Speaker 1>the age of sixty five or under the age of whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>it is that you can start to tap into your

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<v Speaker 1>pension or thank any heart condition. HiT's a little close

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<v Speaker 1>to home, doesn't it. But they could go after that.

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<v Speaker 1>But how about this, And people don't talk about this often,

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<v Speaker 1>but I think we're headed in this direction. Randy, You

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<v Speaker 1>and I like Hilton Honors points. If you really think

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<v Speaker 1>about it, Yeah, if you really think about it, your

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<v Speaker 1>American Airlines advantage miles, your Hilton Honors points, all of

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<v Speaker 1>those programs you have through your credit card or through

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<v Speaker 1>loyalty to a specific brand that's really currency by a

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<v Speaker 1>different name. So if they want to go after that,

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<v Speaker 1>they can go after that too. The sky is the

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<v Speaker 1>limit here.

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<v Speaker 2>If they start going after points, I'm going to Sacramento

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<v Speaker 2>with a torch.

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<v Speaker 8>Power in the legislature after voters if they pass this.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, technically the legislature.

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<v Speaker 7>Can already impose new taxes.

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<v Speaker 5>But the concern here, I guess, is that because voters

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<v Speaker 5>approve it, they could point back to this and make

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<v Speaker 5>it a bit easy to go through that.

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<v Speaker 9>Process as that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the voters said we could do this, they voted

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<v Speaker 2>for it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, at this point, the framework would have been laid.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's the same nonsense every time the legislature

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<v Speaker 2>defends the gas tax. They point to when the gas

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<v Speaker 2>tax was on the ballot to be repealed in twenty eighteen,

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<v Speaker 2>and it got it did not pass because it was

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<v Speaker 2>titled the Defund Roads and Bridges Act. The legislature can

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<v Speaker 2>say the population likes the gas tax, they voted to

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<v Speaker 2>uphold it, and keep.

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<v Speaker 1>In mind, even though they have a two thirds majority,

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<v Speaker 1>they are not going to go against the will of

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<v Speaker 1>the public too often, particularly in the Assembly where they're

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<v Speaker 1>up for reelection every two years. But we also live

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<v Speaker 1>in a state that has voter imposed term limits. So

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<v Speaker 1>even if you're in the state Senate and you have

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<v Speaker 1>a four year term, after twelve years, you turn into

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<v Speaker 1>a pumpkin. So you're going to want to go back

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<v Speaker 1>and be the of your city. You're going to run

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<v Speaker 1>for Congress, you're going to run for a statewide office.

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<v Speaker 1>You're going to go to your board of supervisors. And

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<v Speaker 1>if you are the author or you were someone who

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<v Speaker 1>voted for something that is politically unpopular, that's going to

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<v Speaker 1>be used against you. So it's really important for voters

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<v Speaker 1>to send a clear message to Sacramento that we don't

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<v Speaker 1>want this.

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<v Speaker 9>How you're interpreting it certainly. And then there it also allows.

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<v Speaker 2>Could the legislature also change where the money goes. I

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<v Speaker 2>wonder because one of the strange things about this tax

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<v Speaker 2>is it would not go to the general fund. The

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<v Speaker 2>money is specifically directed towards the SEIU Healthcare Union that

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<v Speaker 2>put it on the ballot, and some of it to

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<v Speaker 2>the teachers Union. I wonder if that language allows the

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<v Speaker 2>legislature to say, Nope, we're not given SEIU that money.

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<v Speaker 9>Who knows how you're interpreting it, certainly, And then there

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<v Speaker 9>it also allows for certain property that's a tax that's

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<v Speaker 9>you know, protected right now by taxpayers, like Prop thirteen

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<v Speaker 9>and different proper.

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<v Speaker 8>It gives a legislature a workaround on things like Prop

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<v Speaker 8>thirteen where the lege lature can.

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<v Speaker 2>Now it would not be an election if there wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>some way to damage Prop thirteen.

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<v Speaker 1>No, it's funny because I remember this going back to

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<v Speaker 1>my days as an undergraduate at cal State Fullerton. You

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<v Speaker 1>talk to the old timey lefties, the people who were

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<v Speaker 1>around in the nineteen seventies when we had the debate

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<v Speaker 1>over Prop thirteen, and they regard Prop thirteen as original sin.

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<v Speaker 1>They really despise Prop thirteen. They from their point of view,

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<v Speaker 1>the state went to hell or started going to hell

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<v Speaker 1>when Prop thirteen passed. Prop thirteen to them was the

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<v Speaker 1>beginning of the end.

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<v Speaker 8>It gives a legislature a workaround on things like Prop

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<v Speaker 8>thirteen where the legilature can now tax property under the

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<v Speaker 8>wealth tax provisions and they can expand that, which they

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<v Speaker 8>can't do right now because that's constitution protected. But this

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<v Speaker 8>measure would be a workaround on that as well, which

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<v Speaker 8>is also very concerning.

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<v Speaker 2>We can't tax you an increase rate in your property

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<v Speaker 2>taxes because of Prop thirteen, but like you said, they

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<v Speaker 2>can figure out a way to tax your unrealized gains

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<v Speaker 2>in the equity in your home. That is a disaster.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, and again I know I sound like a

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<v Speaker 1>broken record. That gives them the ability to go after

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<v Speaker 1>any number of things that you're not thinking about right now.

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<v Speaker 10>Now.

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<v Speaker 5>Rereached out to the healthcare union backing and trying to

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<v Speaker 5>get this on the ballot the UHW for comment, It's

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<v Speaker 5>chief of staff Susan.

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<v Speaker 2>What if they go as far is right into your

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<v Speaker 2>wallet and you've got one of those punch cards at

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<v Speaker 2>the sub shop and they're going to tax your tenth

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<v Speaker 2>free sub. They could that's an unrealized gain.

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<v Speaker 5>Now rereached out to the healthcare union backing and trying

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<v Speaker 5>to get this on the ballot. The UHW for comment,

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<v Speaker 5>it's chief of staffs and Jimenez had quote, the California

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<v Speaker 5>Business Roundtable is lying, period, and they are once again

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<v Speaker 5>ignoring the fact that federal healthcare cuts from the Big

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<v Speaker 5>Beautiful Bill are already crushing the businesses they are supposed

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<v Speaker 5>to represent. She goes on to say, as section five

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<v Speaker 5>oh three one zero of the Billionaire's Tax says, any

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<v Speaker 5>amendments cannot change the fundamental purpose of the act, which

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<v Speaker 5>is to impose a one time tax on billionaires. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 5>there are two very different interpretations of this line that's

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<v Speaker 5>in this proposal. It's really to be seen first if

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<v Speaker 5>the steven gets on the.

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<v Speaker 4>Ballot well, and the group says it turned in enough

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<v Speaker 4>signatures for it to qualify for the ballot yesterday, where's

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<v Speaker 4>the update with that.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it'll take some time before we know if that's

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<v Speaker 5>for sure. According to the Secretary of State's website.

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<v Speaker 2>Now we do know the SEIU Healthcare Union says that

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<v Speaker 2>they have nearly double the signatures that they need to

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<v Speaker 2>get this thing on the ballot. But what we do

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<v Speaker 2>know anecdotally from some of our listeners is that anytime

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<v Speaker 2>they've been asked to sign that petition, they have signed

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<v Speaker 2>it with just the best names ever, Harry Chek, he

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<v Speaker 2>loves the billionaire tax.

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<v Speaker 1>Keep in mind also, when you look at this, is

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<v Speaker 1>that you're always lied to. When there's a tax increase

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<v Speaker 1>on the bellet. They always tell you it's temporary, and

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<v Speaker 1>then they make it permanent. And then they go, well,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't want to cut healthcare, do you. You don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to cut education, do you. You don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>cut social services, do you? And if you allow this

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<v Speaker 1>tax to expire, then that's what you're doing. So they

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<v Speaker 1>sell it as a one time thing or a temporary thing,

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<v Speaker 1>and then they go back on their word almost immediately

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<v Speaker 1>and act as if yesterday doesn't exist. And we know,

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<v Speaker 1>because we've caught them doing this. They are already polling

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<v Speaker 1>whether or not it would be politically palatable in California

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<v Speaker 1>to shift it from billionaires to millionaires. And we know

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<v Speaker 1>this because one of the ways that polling is done

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<v Speaker 1>now is not just over the phone. It's over email

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<v Speaker 1>or they text you, and there are people, there are

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<v Speaker 1>listeners who screenshot those questions and sent them in.

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<v Speaker 2>You remember in twenty sixteen when La County was trying

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<v Speaker 2>to get everyone to pass Measure H and La City

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<v Speaker 2>was trying to get everyone to pass Measure HHH. This

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<v Speaker 2>was the homeless sales tax increases that were for ten years,

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<v Speaker 2>and Eric Garcetti and the then Bord of Supervisors promised,

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<v Speaker 2>if we pass this, we will wipe out homelessness in

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<v Speaker 2>ten years. Well you know what happened. Ten years later.

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<v Speaker 2>Homelessness went up, and they decided to put all.

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<v Speaker 1>This passes just as bad as it ever was, and they.

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<v Speaker 2>Also decided to increase the tax to double and make

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<v Speaker 2>it in perpetuity with no plan to ever end the tax,

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<v Speaker 2>because we're going to need it forever.

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<v Speaker 5>The signature verification process has not yet started on this

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<v Speaker 5>as CiU UHW says it collected and submitted about one

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<v Speaker 5>point five million signatures, which is more than enough to

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<v Speaker 5>go to voters in November again if those signatures are verified,

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<v Speaker 5>but again it could be months before that signature counting

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<v Speaker 5>process is finalized and that the initiative is official.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll keep following it along with you, Thanks, Ashley.

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<v Speaker 2>So there you go. That is the latest on some

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<v Speaker 2>talking to Katie Porter about during the commercial break.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's not just statewide where labor is looking to

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<v Speaker 1>go after California business leaders. They're looking to do so

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<v Speaker 1>in the City by the Bay as well.

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<v Speaker 2>In San Francisco. There is going to be a measure

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<v Speaker 2>on the ballot to increase the overpaid CEO tags, which

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<v Speaker 2>is a gross receipts tax, which if passed, will increase

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<v Speaker 2>the cost of pretty much everything formar. Here's ABC seven

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<v Speaker 2>in the Bay. All right, now, do your voice your

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<v Speaker 2>vote in the upcoming elections. We're talking about San Francisco's

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<v Speaker 2>proposed CEO.

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<v Speaker 11>Tax ABY to seven nine.

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<v Speaker 12>Winness News political reporter Monica Madden is here now with

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<v Speaker 12>a look at prop D.

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<v Speaker 7>Alcock Kristen Larry.

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<v Speaker 13>If you haven't been following this yet, Proposition DEEP would

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<v Speaker 13>increase in existing San Francisco business tax tied to executive pay.

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<v Speaker 13>It would apply to companies whose CEOs make at least

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<v Speaker 13>one hundred times more than the median salary of their workers.

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<v Speaker 4>But a new report, and I.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't think any of those CEOs are going to let

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<v Speaker 2>that go to ninety nine just to avoid the tax.

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<v Speaker 13>But a new report out today is sharpening the debate

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<v Speaker 13>over a central question, who would actually pay? A new

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<v Speaker 13>study is adding fuel to the fight over Proposition D,

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<v Speaker 13>a measure that would increase San Francisco's existing overpaid executive tax.

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<v Speaker 11>Propt tax doesn't actually tax eeos. What it does is

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<v Speaker 11>taxes transactions.

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<v Speaker 2>The tax would apply, so it's called the Overpaid CEO Act,

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<v Speaker 2>But it does not tax the CEO. It taxes the

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<v Speaker 2>receipts of a business who will pass that cost on

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<v Speaker 2>to you almost immediately.

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<v Speaker 1>I love the title of this initiative too. It's like

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<v Speaker 1>they're just out of the gate with just objective terminology.

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<v Speaker 13>The tax would apply to companies with large pay gaps

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<v Speaker 13>between their executives and workers.

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<v Speaker 11>So we're going to see arise in grocery prices, arise

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<v Speaker 11>in pharmacy prices, home goods prices, clothing prices. All of

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<v Speaker 11>that is going to affect regular San Franciscos.

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<v Speaker 13>And the new analysis estimates low margin businesses like grocery

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<v Speaker 13>stores could see profits drop by about a quarter grow SF,

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<v Speaker 13>which is a post.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait, is the head of Kroger making one hundred times

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<v Speaker 2>what the bag boys making? Actually, he probably.

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<v Speaker 1>Is well and then he doesn't even have to get

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<v Speaker 1>carpal tunnel.

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<v Speaker 7>The Posed Property Commission the study.

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<v Speaker 11>We believe in a well functioning government, and that means

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<v Speaker 11>it needs to have a budget to operate, So we

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<v Speaker 11>don't want to get rid of all the taxes. We

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<v Speaker 11>support everyone paying.

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<v Speaker 1>Their fair sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Economic experts say it would that's a term, by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>that I'd like to have go away. I'm so sick

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<v Speaker 2>of anybody saying the phrase pay their fare.

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<v Speaker 1>Share, Yeah, because that's another subjective term.

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<v Speaker 13>Economic experts say it would function almost like a sales tax.

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<v Speaker 2>I looked at my taxes this year. I don't make

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<v Speaker 2>that much, and I feel like I was more than fair.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh. I looked at my taxes after everything that I've

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<v Speaker 1>already paid, and then they wanted more from me. I

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<v Speaker 1>turned into a complete rage of haul. I was like

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Duck with pans.

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<v Speaker 13>Economic experts say it would function almost like a sales tax.

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<v Speaker 14>What is a grocery seats tax. It's basically a tax

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<v Speaker 14>on the sales revenues that the company gets in the city.

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<v Speaker 7>And might not have its intended effect.

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<v Speaker 14>It might cause them to raise the prices they charged

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<v Speaker 14>in San Francisco in terms of cutting their CEO's pay,

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<v Speaker 14>raising the uh, you know, wages of their workers. I

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<v Speaker 14>think that's not really very likely.

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<v Speaker 2>But support so if the intent of this is to

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<v Speaker 2>raise wages so they don't have that differential, that's not happening.

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<v Speaker 7>But supporters say that frame miss is the bigger picture.

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<v Speaker 15>It is really targeted just at the biggest corporations in

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<v Speaker 15>the city, and it would raise about three hundred million

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<v Speaker 15>dollars two hundred and fifty to three hundred million dollars

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<v Speaker 15>in revenue. It's enough to at least stop some of

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<v Speaker 15>the most devastating cuts to services SAT And.

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<v Speaker 2>How many businesses are you going to chase the San

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<v Speaker 2>Jose with this one.

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<v Speaker 1>We're not going to have any rich people left, which

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<v Speaker 1>means we're not going to have any employers left. Remember

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<v Speaker 1>the old congressman from Ohio, Jim Trafficant, who had the

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<v Speaker 1>hair that looked like it was cut by a weed whacker.

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<v Speaker 1>He'd always give those speeches on the house floor. Beam

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<v Speaker 1>me up, Scottie. He always said it was the son

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<v Speaker 1>of a truck driver, but he would remind people his

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<v Speaker 1>truck driver father never worked for a poor man. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think that labor in California needs to remember that.

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<v Speaker 1>Eight hundred two two two five two two two is

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<v Speaker 1>the telephone number one eight hundred two two two five

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<v Speaker 1>two two two. If you'd like to email the show,

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<v Speaker 1>gmail dot com. That's Johnny Don't Like Show at gmail

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<v Speaker 1>dot com. As Randy said earlier in the program. We

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<v Speaker 1>are now entering a phase where it's not just men

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<v Speaker 1>and women and I guess sixteen year olds who can

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<v Speaker 1>get cited by the CHP and law enforcement for traffic infractions,

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<v Speaker 1>now the robots can too.

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<v Speaker 2>The DMV is authorized ticket finding when weamos break the law.

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<v Speaker 2>What does this even mean? Let's find out here is

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<v Speaker 2>kpix in the Bay.

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<v Speaker 16>California is putting a new rule in place to make

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<v Speaker 16>sure robotaxis are not above the law.

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<v Speaker 2>So it comes at time how many violations have the

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<v Speaker 2>weimos had, because I'm going to guess not that many.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you know how patient the weimo is. I was

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<v Speaker 2>taking once in San Francisco and we were going around

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<v Speaker 2>Chinatown and there was a person on a bicycle on

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<v Speaker 2>a very narrow street who was going so slow, and

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<v Speaker 2>the Waimo doesn't honk at him. The Weimo doesn't try

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<v Speaker 2>to go around him. The Weimo just sits there and

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<v Speaker 2>is patient. And I need to distract myself by staring

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<v Speaker 2>at my phone so I don't get angry.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we don't want to make the robots more aggressive

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<v Speaker 1>because then they'll eventually kill us all.

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<v Speaker 16>So it comes after incidents like this. Well, back in September,

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<v Speaker 16>San Bruno police officer pulled over a Weimo that made

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<v Speaker 16>an illegal U turn, but without a human in the car.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, the way the weymos work is they've been

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<v Speaker 2>studying driver data for years and years and years before

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<v Speaker 2>they put them on the roads. So I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>guess the AI learned that everybody does that illegal U

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<v Speaker 2>turn in San Bruno.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe the robot was studying me, but.

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<v Speaker 7>Without a human in the car, he had no one

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<v Speaker 7>to ticket.

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<v Speaker 16>Now that's changing. The DMB is getting police the green

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<v Speaker 16>light to issue tickets to driverless cars. Kenny Joy breaks

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<v Speaker 16>down the new rules.

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<v Speaker 17>For years, the big question when it comes to driverless

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<v Speaker 17>cars is what happens when they break the law. The

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<v Speaker 17>DMV has implemented new rules, but the overall impact is

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<v Speaker 17>still unclear. Driverless cars like Waimo robotaxis can now be

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<v Speaker 17>ticketed just like any other car on the road. New

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<v Speaker 17>DMV rules give law enforcement the green.

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<v Speaker 2>Did they also ask the robot a whole bunch of

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<v Speaker 2>questions like so what are you doing out tonight?

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<v Speaker 1>Or maybe they send the robots to comedy traffic school.

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<v Speaker 10>New DMV rules give law enforcement the green light to

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<v Speaker 10>cite av companies for moving violations. Companies like Waimo will

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<v Speaker 10>also be forced to respond to calls from police and

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<v Speaker 10>fire within thirty seconds. Ahmed Binaffa is an engineering professor

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<v Speaker 10>at San Jose State.

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<v Speaker 18>There would be some kind of you know, no punishment

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<v Speaker 18>penalties for that, and that's going to force them to

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<v Speaker 18>do it better, because this is the only way that

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<v Speaker 18>can force a company to do better if that's going

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<v Speaker 18>to reflect in their reputation with their customers.

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<v Speaker 10>The changes come after high profile issues, including hundreds of

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<v Speaker 10>waymos stalling and blocking intersections during a San Francisco blackout

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<v Speaker 10>last December.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but here's the thing about that blackout, and yes,

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<v Speaker 2>that was the PG and E blackout, and one issue

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<v Speaker 2>was you had a few dozen waymos that were completely

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<v Speaker 2>stopped in the road. And that is actually because of

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<v Speaker 2>a California regulation that says in order for the weimo

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<v Speaker 2>to operate, they need to be connected to the internet

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred percent of the time. So if there's a

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<v Speaker 2>PG and E blackout and then the internet goes out

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<v Speaker 2>for the entire city, because of the regulation that there

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<v Speaker 2>is the technology already where the weamo could pull over

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<v Speaker 2>safely with the autonomous technology, but because it has to

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<v Speaker 2>be connected to the internet one hundred percent of the time.

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<v Speaker 2>If the Internet goes down, the Waimo's just gonna sit there.

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<v Speaker 1>And then if you're behind the waimo, so do you?

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<v Speaker 10>Blocking intersections during a San Francisco blackout last December. The

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<v Speaker 10>San Francisco Fire Department has repeatedly complained about driverless cars

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<v Speaker 10>entering emergency zones and impacting responses. AV companies can face

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<v Speaker 10>penalties if their cars drive through these zones. The Autonomous

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<v Speaker 10>Vehicle Industry Association, which represents waymo's industry interests, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Would be really great if their spokesperson was a robot.

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<v Speaker 1>It could be robot Barbara Ferrara for all we know.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean she deals with the public all the time,

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<v Speaker 1>holding press conferences in those white lab coats.

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<v Speaker 11>I don't like wearing a mask.

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<v Speaker 13>I find it annoying.

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<v Speaker 10>Did not specifically address the ticketing rules, but commended the

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<v Speaker 10>new DMV regulations as a whole, saying, in part, autonomous

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<v Speaker 10>vehicle innovators operating in California have a clear, workable path

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<v Speaker 10>to test and deploy, ensuring the state will continue to

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<v Speaker 10>benefit from autonomous technology. Through safer roads, enhance accessibility and

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<v Speaker 10>strength and supply chains. State Senator Dave Cortesis called autonomous

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<v Speaker 10>vehicles unfinished technology.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, something you need to know about Dave Cortesi. This

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<v Speaker 2>is the biggest champion of high speed rail and seems

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<v Speaker 2>to always have a b in his bonnet about weaimos.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, as if the high speed rail is working

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<v Speaker 1>like a Swiss clock.

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<v Speaker 10>State Senator Dave Cortesius.

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<v Speaker 2>I wonder, by the way, I would just love to

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<v Speaker 2>look this up. Dave Cortesi, who has always outspoken anytime

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<v Speaker 2>there's a story about weimos he wants to regulate them.

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<v Speaker 2>How much money is he getting from lyftin Uber?

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<v Speaker 10>State?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, doesn't Uber own Waimo now or they have some

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<v Speaker 1>kind of deal with them?

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, no, no, they're they're working on their

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<v Speaker 2>own technology. Weimo is owned by Google.

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<v Speaker 10>State Senator Dave Cortesis called autonomous view and.

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<v Speaker 2>The robotaxis that elon Proma is ten years ago, they're

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<v Speaker 2>still not operational.

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<v Speaker 10>State Senator Dave Cortesius called autonomous vehicles unfinished technology and

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<v Speaker 10>has introduced the legislation SB twelve forty six calling for

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<v Speaker 10>more oversight, including ending the practice of one person in

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<v Speaker 10>a control room monitoring more than three vehicles.

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<v Speaker 2>So wait, you want to have one person who, when needed,

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<v Speaker 2>which is rare, can operate every individual vehicle, because then

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<v Speaker 2>WAIMO is going to be incredibly expensive to operate.

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<v Speaker 1>No, that's what they're trying to do, though they're trying

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<v Speaker 1>to regulate it out of existence.

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<v Speaker 2>Right now, the car drives itself, and if there's some

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<v Speaker 2>kind of situation where the car cannot figure out what's

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<v Speaker 2>going on, like when it gets stuck at that intersection

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<v Speaker 2>in Culver City, somebody in a command center with a

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<v Speaker 2>whole bunch of way moos can control it. He doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>need to be responsible for just one car. That's not feasible.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 19>So if you don't have a driver in the car,

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<v Speaker 19>where is then there is human Okay, it's a remote operator,

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<v Speaker 19>all right, Well, we want those remote operators to be

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<v Speaker 19>at the right ratio. We want them to understand California law.

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<v Speaker 19>It's just like we'd want a human driver.

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<v Speaker 2>Don This is like the same nonsense where they try

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<v Speaker 2>to create laws in order to crack down on shoplifting

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<v Speaker 2>at supermarkets. They need one employee for every two self

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<v Speaker 2>checkout stands, which of course is a push by the grocers' unions.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, because they want more jobs and more union

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<v Speaker 1>dues coming in. It has nothing to do with what's

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<v Speaker 1>efficient or what's better for the consumer.

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<v Speaker 19>A human driver under stain California laws.

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<v Speaker 2>Fortesi believes the new job most human drivers don't understand

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<v Speaker 2>California laws. Have you seen the way people drive?

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<v Speaker 1>And here's what I'd like to know. How does he

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<v Speaker 1>come down on giving trucker's licenses to people who don't

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<v Speaker 1>speak English.

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<v Speaker 10>Fortessi believes the new DMV rules won't dramatically change the

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<v Speaker 10>way companies like Waymo operate in the short run, but

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<v Speaker 10>Banafa believes more legislation and oversight rules will eventually give

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<v Speaker 10>the public more safety data and lead to other chain

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<v Speaker 10>changes within the industry.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's will really Waimo's safety track record is so

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<v Speaker 2>much higher than us awful human drivers, and.

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<v Speaker 1>That's it's not even comparable.

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<v Speaker 18>And that's will really identify them how safe they are,

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<v Speaker 18>and that's going to build some kind of a trust

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<v Speaker 18>by saying, okay, you know, in how many how many

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<v Speaker 18>incidents this car or this company face so far, so

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<v Speaker 18>they would be forced to change the hardware and the

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<v Speaker 18>software to you know, to to interact with the with

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<v Speaker 18>the with the police.

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<v Speaker 17>The DMV says the new regulations.

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<v Speaker 2>Are they going to train the weimo to come up

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<v Speaker 2>with excuses that the cops might buy into, like, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I was just running late and I blew past that

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<v Speaker 2>stops and I'm sorry I got out of a ticket

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<v Speaker 2>one time, just being completely honest about.

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<v Speaker 1>That the way MO tells the cop. No, I swear

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<v Speaker 1>I only had two glasses of wine with dinner.

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<v Speaker 17>The DMV says the new regulations are the most comprehensive

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<v Speaker 17>in the country.

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<v Speaker 16>Here are some of the other new rules from the DMV.

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<v Speaker 16>Car companies can now apply for permits to test and

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<v Speaker 16>use heavy duty autonomous vehicles like big rigs.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the robo trucks are on their way, and you

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<v Speaker 2>know who hates that, Loraina Gonzalez. She tweeted out, unacceptable.

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<v Speaker 2>We cannot allow robo trucks, even though we are right

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<v Speaker 2>now in a state where it is so hard to

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<v Speaker 2>hire truck drivers and we don't want to lower the standards.

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<v Speaker 2>And when you have fewer truck drivers on the roads,

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<v Speaker 2>you're going to have to increase the cost for everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and She's another one who wants illegal alien truck

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<v Speaker 1>drivers who can't read the signs to be able to

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<v Speaker 1>drive lawfully in California.

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<v Speaker 16>Here are some of the other new rules from the DMV.

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<v Speaker 16>Car companies can now apply for permits to test and

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<v Speaker 16>use heavy duty autonomous vehicles like big rigs. Robo taxi

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<v Speaker 16>companies also need to have plans to allow first responders

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<v Speaker 16>to manually override their car, and cities can now create

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<v Speaker 16>geil fences in emergencies. These fences would keep the robotaxis

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<v Speaker 16>out of certain areas.

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<v Speaker 2>So there you go. Those are all the newest regulations

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<v Speaker 2>coming to waymos, including being able to ticket them when

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<v Speaker 2>they rarely break our traffic laws.

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<v Speaker 1>If you'd like to email the show, you can do

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<v Speaker 1>so at Johnny Don't like show at gmail dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>That's Johnny. Don't like show at gmail dot com. Well

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<v Speaker 1>fresh offer, black market rape hotline. Our girl, Pammy Price

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<v Speaker 1>is back in the news absolutely.

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<v Speaker 2>Pamela Price participated in a forum where she's trying to

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<v Speaker 2>get her old job back.

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<v Speaker 7>She called me a crime boss.

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<v Speaker 2>Pamela Price was the district attorney for Alameda County until

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<v Speaker 2>she was recalled overwhelmingly by her constituents fear, Fear, doom

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<v Speaker 2>and gloom see then decided to start a revenge podcast

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<v Speaker 2>quite frankly, and then when that wasn't getting enough attention,

0:30:02.960 --> 0:30:06.520
<v Speaker 2>she decided to run for reelection to get the job

0:30:06.600 --> 0:30:11.520
<v Speaker 2>back that she was ousted from. She won't prosecute cases,

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<v Speaker 2>and what do you know? When she participated in the

0:30:14.880 --> 0:30:18.520
<v Speaker 2>forum that included the current da Ursula Jones Dixon and

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<v Speaker 2>another contender, some of the residents weren't too happy to

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<v Speaker 2>see her.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been bipped several times.

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<v Speaker 2>For more you don't say here is kron four.

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<v Speaker 6>Callomenia County voter has had the chance to hear from

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<v Speaker 6>three candidates for district Attorney. This evening, current da Ursula

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<v Speaker 6>Jones Dixon recalled District Attorney Pamela Price.

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<v Speaker 2>That's her full name. Now recalled District Attorney Pamela Price.

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<v Speaker 1>That's quite an introduction.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you remember she said on a memo when she

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<v Speaker 2>first started, where she wanted everyone to refer to her

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<v Speaker 2>as Madame District Attorney.

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<v Speaker 1>I think Heidi Flies did the same thing.

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<v Speaker 6>And Gobel Krishnan participated in a forum in Oakland. Crawford's

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<v Speaker 6>men and Harry was there and explains what those candidates

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<v Speaker 6>had to say.

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<v Speaker 12>The three candidates all had a chance to answer questions

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<v Speaker 12>from the moderators as well as people in the community.

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<v Speaker 12>We spoke to some people who came to listen and

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<v Speaker 12>said they're still on the fence and they wanted to

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<v Speaker 12>hear from all the candidates before making a decision.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, they probably want to hear from Ursula, and they

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<v Speaker 2>want to hear from Gopul. But I'm pretty sure the

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<v Speaker 2>majority of people there they know what they're getting with

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<v Speaker 2>Pamela Price, and they decided to get a refund.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, they've seen the end of that movie before.

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<v Speaker 12>In his back, an incumbent, a recalled district attorney hoping

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<v Speaker 12>to reclaim her old job, and a newcomer all had

0:31:44.240 --> 0:31:48.600
<v Speaker 12>the chance to address voters. Rose Pratt, nervous, was there early,

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<v Speaker 12>eager to learn about each of the candidates and how

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<v Speaker 12>they would address local issues with politics.

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<v Speaker 11>Knowing the way they are, we first must fight at

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<v Speaker 11>home in our own grounds before we start going any

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<v Speaker 11>where else.

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<v Speaker 12>Ursula Jones Dixon is the current DA. She was appointed

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<v Speaker 12>by the Alameda County Board of Supervisors in January of

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<v Speaker 12>twenty twenty five.

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<v Speaker 2>She's had that job for over a year now, and

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<v Speaker 2>there have been almost no headlines about any crazy things

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<v Speaker 2>going on at that office, because typically what goes on

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<v Speaker 2>in a DA's office doesn't make the news if you

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<v Speaker 2>just enforce the law.

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<v Speaker 1>With Pamela Price, the headlines were like machine gun fire,

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<v Speaker 1>which was also heard on the streets of Oakland on

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<v Speaker 1>a regular basis when she was DA.

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<v Speaker 7>She's too soft on crime, She says.

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<v Speaker 12>Her goal is to continue prioritizing victims.

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<v Speaker 2>A reason I llowed the best to do this job

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<v Speaker 2>is because I think that victims' rights are important, and

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<v Speaker 2>I felt like we lost sight of them over the

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<v Speaker 2>last several years. So you're telling me Ursula Jones Dixon

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't take a crime victim like Brenda Grisham and just

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<v Speaker 2>hang up on her when she calls.

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<v Speaker 18>As a result of.

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<v Speaker 2>Them, I am building an office that absolutely focuses on

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<v Speaker 2>the controls.

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<v Speaker 12>Many community members were meeting candidate Gopal Christian for the

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<v Speaker 12>first time, an immigrant from India who says he wants

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<v Speaker 12>to protect everyone, but highlighted other immigrants and marginalized communities.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I'm gonna be DA on the organized clime. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be DA on the ice.

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<v Speaker 2>There would be no ice in Alameda County. I think

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<v Speaker 2>they'll be there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's a thing called federal supremacy. Bud better go

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<v Speaker 1>back to law school.

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<v Speaker 2>And the no hate clime goal unfunblished.

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<v Speaker 12>Pamela Price was overwhelmingly ousted as DA in twenty twenty four.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I love hearing that it was like sixty seven percent.

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<v Speaker 12>Pamila Price was overwhelmingly ousted as DA in twenty twenty four,

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<v Speaker 12>but decided to run again. She says she still has

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<v Speaker 12>the same goal.

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<v Speaker 8>I still believe in the core values that brought me

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<v Speaker 8>to the District Attorney's office.

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<v Speaker 1>In fairness in.

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<v Speaker 2>Assistance, fairness meaning that the criminals are the real victims,

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<v Speaker 2>which is something she said over and over and over again,

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<v Speaker 2>including the bippers.

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<v Speaker 3>His back.

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<v Speaker 2>In fairness in assistem that treats everyone equally, and a

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<v Speaker 2>clear commitment to public safety.

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<v Speaker 12>Christ did address to recall campains against charge the miss voters.

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<v Speaker 8>They told voters, I was responsible for all the crime

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<v Speaker 8>in Oakland and all the business is closing.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you definitely had a part in it. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>some of it you could blame.

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<v Speaker 7>On Shanghy, absolutely absolutely.

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<v Speaker 2>But even when OPD made an arrest it was rare.

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<v Speaker 2>Nothing would happen with that DA.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been bipped several times.

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<v Speaker 8>They told voters I was responsible for all the crime

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<v Speaker 8>in Oakland and all the business is closed.

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<v Speaker 7>She went on to say she supports victims.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, if it was only Oakland, then how come everyone

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<v Speaker 2>in Fremont recalled you too.

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<v Speaker 7>She went on to say she's pretty much.

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<v Speaker 1>Got nailed all over the county.

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<v Speaker 2>To the wall.

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<v Speaker 12>She went on to say she supports victims, but some

0:35:23.600 --> 0:35:26.400
<v Speaker 12>of the crowd still pushed back on her approach.

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<v Speaker 10>The guy Sola got words somebody a year later because

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<v Speaker 10>she whoa.

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<v Speaker 1>Vox popular guy Sola got words somebody a year later

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<v Speaker 1>because she st.

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<v Speaker 12>The primary election for District Attorney is June second. The

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<v Speaker 12>top two vote getters will then move on to the

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<v Speaker 12>November election. Unless one of the candidates gets more than

0:35:54.360 --> 0:35:57.280
<v Speaker 12>fifty percent of the vote, then there is no runoff

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<v Speaker 12>in Oakland. Amanda Harry Crownford.

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<v Speaker 2>New So there you go the latest on the Alameda

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<v Speaker 2>County DA's race. Pamela Price is still trying to get

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<v Speaker 2>her old job back, but it doesn't look like the

0:36:09.400 --> 0:36:11.359
<v Speaker 2>locals are going to take her up on that.

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<v Speaker 1>Nope, But she might be a perennial candidate who runs

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<v Speaker 1>for office every single cycle.