1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:01,920 Speaker 1: And very happy Monday to you. 2 00:00:01,960 --> 00:00:04,360 Speaker 2: At twelve oh six in the West, It's the John 3 00:00:04,519 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 2: Phillips Show, Mister Randy Wanings in Culver City. 4 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:12,719 Speaker 3: John, the incompetence is everywhere. A whistleblower at La County 5 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:16,320 Speaker 3: is now alleging that someone that worked in the Office 6 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:21,639 Speaker 3: of Emergency Management during the Eden fire was literally sleeping 7 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 3: on the job. 8 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:34,560 Speaker 2: What's his excuse? He was listening to public radio eight 9 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 2: hundred two two two five two two two. Is the 10 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 2: telephone number one eight hundred two two two five two 11 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:43,279 Speaker 2: two two. As I mentioned on Friday, I was in 12 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 2: Arizona over the weekend watching a little spring training baseball. 13 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 2: Saw the Angels beat the Seattle Mariners on Saturday, and 14 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 2: saw the Dodgers beat the Cubs on Sunday over at 15 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 2: the Cubs Stadium. Sloan Field is a miniature version of 16 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 2: Wrigley Field food. By the way, if you're in Arizona 17 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 2: looking for good ballpark food. And on Saturday there was 18 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:11,760 Speaker 2: no shade and the heat waves started rolling in Arizona, 19 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:15,760 Speaker 2: and I was out there because I got there early 20 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 2: for four consecutive hours with no shade at all in 21 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 2: the Arizona heat. 22 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 1: You chose this for yourself. 23 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 2: I went from Sondra to THEO over the course of 24 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:35,120 Speaker 2: one day, and of course I had a great time. 25 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:36,479 Speaker 1: The Angels won. 26 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 2: The Angels won on Sunday, even though I wasn't there 27 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 2: to see it thanks to my brother. 28 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:42,400 Speaker 1: But I'm driving back. 29 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:46,400 Speaker 2: And what's the last thing you do before you leave 30 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 2: the state of Arizona and you re enter California. 31 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 1: I got to imagine, it's fill up, that's right. 32 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 2: Even though I was three quarters of the way full, 33 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 2: I said, we're stopping in Courts Eye, and I am 34 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 2: making sure to top it off because it is so 35 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 2: much cheaper here than in the state of California. And 36 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 2: I noticed a lot of cars with California plates doing 37 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 2: the same thing. 38 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:14,240 Speaker 3: I get to imagine, if you live in a place 39 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 3: like Needles, you never buy gasoline in the state of California. 40 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 2: No, if you live in Needles, you live in blythe 41 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 2: you live in any of those border cities, you definitely 42 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 2: buy your gasoline in another state. And this is something 43 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:32,360 Speaker 2: that has been true for quite some time. We are 44 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:35,400 Speaker 2: getting gouged at the pump in California in ways that 45 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 2: people who live in other states are not. And Cacra's 46 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 2: Ashley Zavalla was trying to get to the bottom of 47 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 2: just exactly why that's happening. 48 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 3: On Ashley Zavalla's Sunday show California Politics three point sixty 49 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 3: that is now airing locally on Fox eleven in Los 50 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:59,080 Speaker 3: Angeles and KTVU Fox two in the Bay Area, as 51 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:03,360 Speaker 3: well as cars. Of course, she sat down with the 52 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 3: new head of KARB to ask why they keep doing 53 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 3: all this to us when it comes to the proposed 54 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 3: cap and trade increases that may drive even more refiners 55 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 3: out of the state. For more on this, we got 56 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 3: a KCRA three and Ashley's Evalla cher Sanchez. 57 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 4: Thank you so much for making time for us today. 58 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:25,639 Speaker 5: Thank you for having me. Ashley really appreciate it. 59 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:29,919 Speaker 6: So with the frustration from the oil industry saying that 60 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 6: the capin invest proposal is too much, but then environmental 61 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 6: groups saying that it's not doing enough. 62 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 4: I mean between now and the possible vote. 63 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 3: How do the environmental groups feel about the cap and 64 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 3: invest money going towards high speed rail? 65 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 1: Well, that's what it is. 66 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 2: It's a slush fund to take care of their prize programs. 67 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 3: Let's not forget because it's so ridiculous. The California Air 68 00:03:56,600 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 3: Resources Board last year decided to take Cap and Trade money, 69 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 3: the money that makes it more expensive to buy gasoline here, 70 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 3: and use it to give out vouchers for e bikes. 71 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 1: And what happened. 72 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 3: A whole bunch of parents got an e bike for 73 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 3: their spoiled children and turned them into monsters. And when 74 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 3: people supported cap and Trade, not me, not you, but 75 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 3: when people in Sacramento and people around the state supported it, 76 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:28,600 Speaker 3: I think they thought that every time they paid more 77 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 3: money at the POMP it would go to I don't know, 78 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 3: planning a tree at Ecuador or something. No, the money 79 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 3: goes into a pot in Sacramento where it's distributed to 80 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:41,159 Speaker 3: all of the favored projects. 81 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 6: I mean, between now and the possible vote in May, 82 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 6: could there be changes to this. 83 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 7: It's a great question, Ashley, and I think it's really 84 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 7: important to remember that we're in the middle of a 85 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 7: regulatory process. 86 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 5: As you referenced. 87 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 7: Staff put out a draft proposal in January, and we've 88 00:04:57,120 --> 00:04:58,279 Speaker 7: received public comment. 89 00:04:58,360 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 5: It just wrapped up this past. 90 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 2: Week because they totally listened to public comment. Oh yeah, 91 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:04,480 Speaker 2: they care deeply what you think. 92 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:07,599 Speaker 7: And we're now working through all of the feedback and 93 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:11,039 Speaker 7: the public comment. My staff is meeting with yes, members 94 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:14,360 Speaker 7: of the oil industry and those environmental groups, but also utilities, 95 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 7: food processors, you know, you name it, regulated entities and 96 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 7: communities across the state to better understand how this proposal 97 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 7: may affect them. And we have built in enough time 98 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:30,719 Speaker 7: for changes should those be deemed necessary, before bringing this 99 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 7: proposal to the. 100 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 5: Board in May. 101 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:35,720 Speaker 7: But you know one thing I want to underscore, Ashley, 102 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 7: is the staff's proposal that was made public in January 103 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:42,599 Speaker 7: was really responsive to legislative direction from the bills that 104 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 7: were passed last year. 105 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 3: And this is true for as much as you have 106 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:50,359 Speaker 3: members of the legislature now saying I can't believe KARB 107 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 3: is doing this to us, I can't believe we're driving 108 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:58,279 Speaker 3: out even more refiners, the agency is just doing what 109 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 3: the legislature ordered them to do with all the bills 110 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 3: they passed last year. And mind you, this is the 111 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 3: same crowd that says that they're focused like a laser 112 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:10,159 Speaker 3: on the cost of living in California. Yeah, you remember 113 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:13,479 Speaker 3: when Revis at the beginning of the legislative session last 114 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:18,720 Speaker 3: year said it's all about affordability, and they sure hit 115 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 3: their target was really responding. He is the dimmest speaker 116 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 3: that we've had in a really long time, isn't he? Yep, 117 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:27,719 Speaker 3: every time he steps in front of a microphone, he 118 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 3: looks like a functioning illiterate. 119 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:34,919 Speaker 7: Was really responsive to legislative direction from the bills that 120 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 7: were passed last year, and we like to emphasize the 121 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 7: balance that was struck between affordability and ambition, and a 122 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:44,920 Speaker 7: lot of the feedback we're getting, as you pointed out, 123 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:47,160 Speaker 7: is we either went too far in ambition or we're 124 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 7: not thinking enough about affordability. 125 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 5: We need to go further faster. 126 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 7: So we're really looking forward to continuing to engage with 127 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:57,920 Speaker 7: stakeholders on their feedback and any changes that they're requesting. 128 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:02,039 Speaker 6: The states remaining oil refined are sounding the alarm on 129 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:05,839 Speaker 6: the proposal, just as is. Chevron is calling the state's 130 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 6: oil and gas situation a state of emergency that could 131 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 6: collapse the industry because of the added cost because of 132 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 6: the proposal, as is. I mean, our state leaders have 133 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 6: a history of ignoring these warnings, but we did see 134 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 6: two refiners now shut down within a matter of six months. 135 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 6: I mean, will CARB be hearing them on this as a. 136 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 1: Okay, positive tape. Here. 137 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 2: There are two things that are true, and you have 138 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 2: to keep this in mind before you listen to this 139 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 2: woman answer the question. One is they seem to legitimately 140 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 2: believe that threats of moving out of state, whether you're 141 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 2: an individual or a business or hollow. When the SEIU 142 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 2: was putting their initiative together to put on the ballot 143 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 2: collecting signatures that was a wealth confiscation tax, and they 144 00:07:57,240 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 2: heard that the billionaires would move out of state if 145 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 2: they move forward with it, they thought that those threats 146 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 2: were hollow. To this day, they're denying that that's happening. 147 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 2: And when you live in North Korea here you can 148 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 2: just say that's not happening, and I guess people will 149 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 2: believe you. It doesn't matter what reality is. It just 150 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 2: matters what comes out of your mouth and whether or 151 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 2: not the people believe it. But they believe the same 152 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 2: thing with the oil companies and the other businesses in California. 153 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 2: You're never going to leave the state. We have a 154 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 2: lock on you. You ending up in Texas or Florida never 155 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 2: going to happen. And if you go into it believing 156 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:38,359 Speaker 2: that all of these companies are buffing you will behave accordingly, 157 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:42,440 Speaker 2: and that's what they're doing here. The other thing is 158 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:44,840 Speaker 2: when they talk about the cost of living, which you're 159 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 2: seeing all of the candidates running for governor talking about. 160 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 2: It's something they are paying lip service to, but they 161 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 2: don't actually want to do anything about it because if 162 00:08:57,400 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 2: they actually wanted to do something about it, it would 163 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 2: impact their positions on other issues like cap and trade, 164 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 2: which candidates running for governor outside of maybe the Republicans 165 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:11,720 Speaker 2: in Matt Mayhan believe that cap and trade is a scam. 166 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 2: If you want to do something about the cost of living, 167 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 2: that's one of the first things that you do. The 168 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:20,440 Speaker 2: second thing is going after the waste, fraud, and abuse, 169 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 2: which the Republicans and Matt Mayhon are for, but the 170 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 2: rest of them are not, because that would be taking 171 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 2: money away from the privileged class, from the politically connected, 172 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:34,679 Speaker 2: from their peers, from the people who finance their campaigns. 173 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 1: They're never going to do that. 174 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 2: So unless and until you start seeing movement on those 175 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 2: other subjects, they don't care about the cost of living, 176 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 2: and that's worst case scenario where they don't care how 177 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 2: much it costs to live here and they think that 178 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 2: everyone is bluffing when they say, if you push too far, 179 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 2: we're going to move out of the state. What you 180 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 2: end up with is what we have right now in Sacramento. 181 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 6: As a maybe a change from what we've seen in 182 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 6: years past. 183 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:07,440 Speaker 7: So we've met with members of the refining industry. I 184 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 7: myself have been meeting with the refiners again to understand 185 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 7: how the proposal would affect them. 186 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 5: And you know, I think it's how. 187 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 1: Much screaming is in those meetings. Oh, how much crying, 188 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 1: you know. 189 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:21,559 Speaker 7: I think it's really important that again that legislative direction 190 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 7: that was given to CARB included an aspect of minimizing leakage, 191 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:30,319 Speaker 7: which means making sure that California businesses stay here in California. 192 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 1: Well, we've been doing a great job at that. 193 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 2: It seems like every time you click refresh, there's a 194 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:37,080 Speaker 2: new business moving out. 195 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:40,320 Speaker 7: That is why the staff proposal is really status quo 196 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 7: for the industrial sector. We did not change the allowance 197 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 7: allocation for industry, including refiners. That said, we understand that 198 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:53,840 Speaker 7: given market challenges, market changes, just look at what's happened 199 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 7: in the past week. Our refiners are asking for more 200 00:10:57,000 --> 00:11:00,160 Speaker 7: support from this program. And that's a conversation that we 201 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:03,440 Speaker 7: look forward to continuing to have with them. I would 202 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 7: also point out the administration has made it a goal 203 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 7: to ensure that we have a managed transition and we're 204 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:14,319 Speaker 7: able to ensure fuel supply here in California remains reliable. 205 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:16,959 Speaker 3: Well, if we had a plan, we wouldn't have seven 206 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 3: dollars gas right now. 207 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 1: Nope, and that seven dollars gas is only going one way. 208 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 5: Remains reliable and affordable. 209 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 7: If you look at some legislation that was passed last year, 210 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:32,080 Speaker 7: that was really done in collaboration with all stakeholders, but 211 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 7: especially the refiners, and we look forward again to continuing 212 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:36,960 Speaker 7: those conversations. 213 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 4: On reliability and affordability. 214 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 6: The oil industry has said this proposal essentially incentivizes companies 215 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 6: to import even more fuel from other countries. I mean, 216 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:49,559 Speaker 6: something the state is already heavily relying on now. 217 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:52,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, something that the Chevron executive has been trying to 218 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 3: put out there. And it's a really good point. You know, 219 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:58,200 Speaker 3: who doesn't pay cap and trade the importers? 220 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 2: Nope, And frequently that's what we use here in California, 221 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 2: energy that comes from other places. 222 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 4: I mean, is that not concerning to you? 223 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 6: Given the war in Iran and the blocking of the 224 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 6: Strait of Hormuz at this point. 225 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 7: Yeah, I again would emphasize that the staff proposals really 226 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:22,560 Speaker 7: focused on supporting businesses here in California. That's why we 227 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 7: didn't change that industrial allocation, and we've maintained a number 228 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 7: of the cost containment measures in the program design. 229 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 5: Ashley, I should point out, as the. 230 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 7: Legislature was having the conversation about how to extend this 231 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:38,680 Speaker 7: program last year, it was supported by the industry. 232 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 3: And think and what she's talking about with extending was 233 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 3: Cap and Trade, which originally got extended by Jerry Brown, 234 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:50,320 Speaker 3: was supposed to expire in twenty thirty and Gavin Newsom 235 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 3: and the legislature extended it to twenty forty five, specifically 236 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:58,960 Speaker 3: so they could take a billion dollars a year of 237 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 3: the money you're spending on gasoline and put it towards 238 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:05,560 Speaker 3: the high speed rail and know that billion dollars a 239 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 3: year is not nearly enough funding for anything, including just 240 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:10,720 Speaker 3: the initial line. 241 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 2: I would love to know what the high speed rail 242 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:18,440 Speaker 2: has on the people in Sacramento, because if you just 243 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 2: look at it on its face, it makes no sense 244 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 2: for them to be so d to this program. For 245 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 2: a train that doesn't exist unless there is something truly 246 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 2: nefarious going on. 247 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 7: It was supported by the industry, the business industry here 248 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 7: in California, and by labor voices in California, environmental business, 249 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 7: environmental organizations in California. This program has a fifteen year 250 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:43,960 Speaker 7: track record of success. 251 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 1: Of define success. It's a jobs program. 252 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 3: Again, What was the climate benefit to giving out vouchers 253 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 3: for e bikes? That didn't take one car off the road, 254 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:00,440 Speaker 3: and it just turned a whole bunch of teenagers into 255 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 3: biker gangs of one. 256 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 7: It is one of our most cost effective climate policies. 257 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 7: And as we think about the benefits that it has 258 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 7: generated for the state, I mean, over thirty four billion 259 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 7: dollars in investments up and down the state, affordable housing, 260 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:18,320 Speaker 7: accessible transit. 261 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 1: What does any of that have to do with cleaning 262 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 1: the air? 263 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 2: Nothing, more subsidies for e bikes, more money being dumped 264 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 2: into the bullet train. She said, the money's going to 265 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 2: housing too, so they're turning that over to developers. 266 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 1: I guess YEP. 267 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 7: In investments up and down the state, affordable housing, accessible transit. 268 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:42,360 Speaker 3: These are all the things that you're paying for every 269 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 3: single time you fill up so. 270 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 2: Whatever damage it's being done to the environment is still 271 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 2: being done. It's just they have more money to play 272 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 2: with and that makes you feel good about it. 273 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 3: The whole idea, and it's a stupid idea, but the 274 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 3: whole idea was, well, if companies pull, they should have 275 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 3: to pay so we can plant some trees in the rainforest. 276 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 1: This is a little different than that. 277 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 2: Well, what they do is they expand the definition of 278 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 2: what is green. It's like what Biden tried to do 279 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 2: with the infrastructure bill. Well, childcare is infrastructure. 280 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 1: No, it's not. That is a service that's provided that. 281 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:24,239 Speaker 2: Is not a bridge or a road or an airport 282 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 2: or whatever. And you just change the definition of something 283 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 2: and then you can spend the money. 284 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 7: However, you want forest management and fire prevention. 285 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 1: Safest, well, we're really great at that. 286 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, let's ask the people the Pacific Palisades how that's working. 287 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 1: Out for us. 288 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 3: And the last five years of wildfires have wiped out 289 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 3: all emission reductions from cap and trade in other programs 290 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 3: orated organized by CARB over the last twenty years. Because 291 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 3: we're so bad at managing our fires. 292 00:15:56,760 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 2: And don't forget the fire in the Pacific Palisade and 293 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 2: Alta Dean is a different story. That's Southern California Edison 294 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 2: in their drama. 295 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 1: But in the. 296 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 2: Pacific Palisades, that's on the city of Los Angeles, in 297 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 2: the state of California. They're responsible for that damage. They're incompetence. 298 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 2: So if you want to protect the environment, if you 299 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 2: want to make sure that there's fewer emissions being released 300 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 2: into the air, get your act together so you don't 301 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 2: burn down a part of the largest city in the state. 302 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 7: Safe and affordable drinking water. I mean, these investments have 303 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 7: been transformative for communities. You layer on top of that 304 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 7: that the program has generated fifteen billion dollars bright the way. 305 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:38,560 Speaker 3: With all of the money that Cap and Trade is 306 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 3: supposed to spend on cleaning up the environment in the 307 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 3: state of California, I would wonder why it's not something 308 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 3: that CARB wants to put money into when it comes 309 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 3: to I don't know, the environmental disaster down at the 310 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 3: Tijuana River. 311 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 1: Who, Yeah, they ignore that, don't they. 312 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 3: Nobody in the jackermetto wants to talk about the Tijuana 313 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:05,400 Speaker 3: River except for Katie and Matt Mahon went down there too, 314 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 3: but he did not do an ad with the gas 315 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 3: mask right here. 316 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 2: Well, they don't want to do that because then they'd 317 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:13,920 Speaker 2: have to blame Mexico. 318 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:19,160 Speaker 3: We've got a lot more of Ashley Zavala's full interview 319 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:22,639 Speaker 3: with the new chair of the California Air Resources Board 320 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:26,399 Speaker 3: as they try to explain what all of that money 321 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 3: you're spending on gases going towards. 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You have Gavin Newsom who likes to import 350 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:07,880 Speaker 2: oil from other countries. You have Eric Swalwell, who likes 351 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:09,680 Speaker 2: to import spies and nail them. 352 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 1: What's next? All right, let's go back to. 353 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:19,439 Speaker 2: Ashley' zuvalla and are sit down with the director of 354 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 2: carb Layer. 355 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:23,880 Speaker 7: On top of that that the program has generated fifteen 356 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:26,320 Speaker 7: billion dollars in utility. 357 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:28,879 Speaker 3: Bill rebates, and yes, because PG and E and so 358 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:35,840 Speaker 3: cal Edison bills are so affordable. What she's talking about 359 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:40,000 Speaker 3: is that one time a year in April where you 360 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 3: get like seventy dollars off of your electric bill woo oi, 361 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 3: and they put cap and Trade all over it to 362 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:51,600 Speaker 3: try to trick you into thinking that it's actually saving 363 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:56,879 Speaker 3: you money. I'm pretty sure all the other increased costs 364 00:19:56,880 --> 00:20:00,960 Speaker 3: of everything that are related to cap and trade outweigh 365 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:02,280 Speaker 3: the seventy dollars. 366 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 7: And yes, gas prices are a top concern for Californians, 367 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:08,400 Speaker 7: as are utility bills. 368 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:11,680 Speaker 3: So the fact yes, but what does the California Public 369 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:14,880 Speaker 3: Utilities Commission do? They approved six PG and E rat 370 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 3: increases in one year, because why not? 371 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:21,639 Speaker 5: The fact that this program is helping on energy affordability. 372 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 2: Is no, No, it's not here in North Korea, we 373 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:27,680 Speaker 2: can say it, and I guess that can be printed places, 374 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 2: but anyone who actually lives here and pays bills here 375 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:31,680 Speaker 2: knows that's not true. 376 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:33,400 Speaker 5: It's also very paramount. 377 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:36,480 Speaker 7: All of that said, we understand we are getting feedback 378 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 7: that the staff proposal does not go far enough to 379 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:42,679 Speaker 7: really ensure that we are supporting those California businesses we 380 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 7: look forward to the data and the justification on that issue. 381 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 6: But I guess to clarify, if the war in Iran persists, 382 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 6: will that change the course of this proposal? 383 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:56,919 Speaker 7: The war in Iran and you know the latest federal 384 00:20:57,040 --> 00:21:00,200 Speaker 7: lawsuits attacking California. I mean, there are a number of 385 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:03,639 Speaker 7: global events, federal events that we are taking into consideration 386 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 7: as a part of this process and this regulation that 387 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 7: is coming to the Airboard. 388 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:10,400 Speaker 3: Hey, if this thing's still going on by the time 389 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:13,560 Speaker 3: these regulations take place in May, we might be up 390 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:15,200 Speaker 3: to nine or ten dollars gas. 391 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 2: But okay, keep in mind, all she cares about is 392 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:23,200 Speaker 2: making sure that Gavin Newsom stays viable as a presidential 393 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:26,120 Speaker 2: candidate and that the unions get the money they want 394 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:29,200 Speaker 2: out of this. Because when you're talking about high speed rail, 395 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 2: don't forget they regard that as a jobs program. So 396 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:35,679 Speaker 2: she's there to take care of certain groups of people 397 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:38,439 Speaker 2: and certain individuals like Gavin Newsom. 398 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:41,400 Speaker 7: This regulation that is coming to the Airboard again, it's 399 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 7: not coming to the Board until the end of May, 400 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 7: so we've built in time for some of these really 401 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 7: important conversations and analysis to continue. 402 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:52,440 Speaker 4: But just overall, broadly on this. 403 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 6: I mean, as the leader of the person of the 404 00:21:55,760 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 6: group that's tasked with cleaning California's air meeting the environmental goals, 405 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:04,399 Speaker 6: I mean, what good are these goals if the state 406 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:07,600 Speaker 6: is so heavily relying on fuel that's produced in other 407 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 6: countries and then put onto ships to pollute the air 408 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:14,359 Speaker 6: not necessarily in our state, but outside of it. 409 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:17,920 Speaker 3: It's the same atmosphere whether the oil is drilled here 410 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:19,119 Speaker 3: or in Bangladesh. 411 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 2: Well, here's what it is. You're just shifting the pollution 412 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 2: to someplace else because you are using that energy that 413 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:33,120 Speaker 2: you deem to be not clean. You're just making sure 414 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:35,439 Speaker 2: that it's being produced in India and they have to 415 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 2: deal with the consequences and you don't do it here. 416 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 2: It's like people who consider themselves to be animal right 417 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:46,600 Speaker 2: for people who eat meat, and it's like, well, I 418 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 2: didn't kill the animal. I get really upset when people 419 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 2: go out hunting and they kill animals to eat. But 420 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 2: if you buy it at the grocery store, you feel 421 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 2: good about yourself because you didn't actually kill the animal. 422 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 1: Well, what's the difference. Animal is dying so you can 423 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 1: have a steak. 424 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 3: Well, the difference probably is if you hunted it yourself. 425 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:08,919 Speaker 3: The meat's going to taste like buckshot. 426 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:14,680 Speaker 7: Yeah, it's something that you know, we give a lot 427 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 7: of thought too, through both the Captain and Best program 428 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 7: and the Low Carbon Fuel Standard. And it's why you 429 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 7: know again that legislative direction to minimize leakage is really 430 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 7: important to the work CARB does more broadly making sure 431 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 7: that the benefits of our regulations and our policies and 432 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:31,160 Speaker 7: our programs. 433 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:32,359 Speaker 5: Outweigh any costs. 434 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 7: But actually, as you pointed out, you know, tasked with 435 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 7: cleaning the air, eighteen million Californians still breathe unhealthy air 436 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:39,640 Speaker 7: every year. 437 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:40,880 Speaker 5: If you look at them, that's. 438 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:47,320 Speaker 1: Half the state. And you consider what you're doing with success. Huh. 439 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:50,119 Speaker 3: As much as they want to say that tailpipe emissions 440 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:53,880 Speaker 3: are the biggest driver of those toxic levels in the air, 441 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:58,240 Speaker 3: it actually has been massively outweighed by wildfires. 442 00:23:58,800 --> 00:23:59,399 Speaker 1: Oh yeah. 443 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 2: One wildfire can counteract any public policies coming out of 444 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:08,200 Speaker 2: Sacramento over the course of years. 445 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:10,680 Speaker 7: If you look at the weather forecast for next week, 446 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 7: your forecast to hits ninety degrees in Sacramento for the 447 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 7: first time in March, that is unprecedented. We know that 448 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 7: the legislature. 449 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:20,439 Speaker 3: Why the West Sacramento As are going to have a 450 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:22,080 Speaker 3: really fun beginning to their season. 451 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:24,720 Speaker 1: Oh, I'm going to four games up there this year. 452 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:29,400 Speaker 7: Oh boy, for the first time in March. That is unprecedented. 453 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 7: We know that the legislature, over bipartisan administrations, has tasked 454 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 7: the air board with moving forward and striking the right 455 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 7: balance between Yeah, as. 456 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:41,359 Speaker 3: Much as you know, Gavin gets a lot of flak 457 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 3: for extending this program and Jerry Brown gets a lot 458 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:45,639 Speaker 3: of flak for extending this program. 459 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 1: This was a Schwarzenegger program. Oh yes, a gift from Arnold. 460 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 7: Costs and benefits and supporting California businesses going forward. 461 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:57,200 Speaker 4: You mentioned and you've been mentioning. 462 00:24:56,800 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 6: That you're really you're your job. You you've just taken 463 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:04,399 Speaker 6: from the legislature. Essentially, you were directed by state lawmakers 464 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,400 Speaker 6: to carry out this rulemaking process up when it comes 465 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:12,239 Speaker 6: to cap and invest, Several Democratic lawmakers who voted for that, 466 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 6: who voted to direct you to do this work, are 467 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:17,359 Speaker 6: now asking you to go back to the drawing board 468 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:19,439 Speaker 6: essentially on this proposal when it comes to energy. 469 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:21,119 Speaker 4: What's your reaction to that. 470 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:25,640 Speaker 7: I take that feedback with deep humility and deep gratitude. 471 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:28,760 Speaker 7: You know, I'm grateful that the legislature and their engagement 472 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 7: doesn't stop it just passing the bill and the governor 473 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:34,679 Speaker 7: signing it, but rather throughout the implementation process and the 474 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 7: regulatory process that they're staying engaged. 475 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 1: Well, it's an election year. Oh yes. 476 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:43,320 Speaker 2: If it wasn't an election year, she'd have nothing but 477 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 2: green lights. 478 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:48,640 Speaker 3: And there are a lot of issues that Californians don't 479 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 3: really pay attention to, but even the average California voter 480 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 3: is not going to just ignore seven dollars gas. 481 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:02,960 Speaker 2: Well, I think part of it is kabuki. What the 482 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 2: legislature wants is they want to be on the record 483 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,879 Speaker 2: saying they opposed this, but they already told her to 484 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 2: do it. She was appointed by Newsome with the understanding 485 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:18,199 Speaker 2: that she would do things like this, And what the 486 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,920 Speaker 2: legislature can do is then they can say, well, don't 487 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:24,320 Speaker 2: blame me. I came out publicly against it. She was 488 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:27,960 Speaker 2: the one who did it, so they can use her 489 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,399 Speaker 2: as the fall guy. They can turn her into the 490 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:32,600 Speaker 2: bad guy because she never has to put her name 491 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:35,400 Speaker 2: on the ballot. She just has to keep them happy 492 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:36,720 Speaker 2: to get reappointed. 493 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:39,760 Speaker 7: You know, we want to make sure that the ultimately 494 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 7: the proposal that comes to the board is responsive to 495 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 7: legislative direction and really how they intended the program to work. 496 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:48,720 Speaker 5: So you know, I've seen that letter. 497 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,800 Speaker 7: I've received a number of other letters on other sets 498 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,679 Speaker 7: of issues and where you know, the whole team is 499 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 7: looking at that feedback and again thinking about how the 500 00:26:57,600 --> 00:26:58,679 Speaker 7: proposal moves forward. 501 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 6: I know you mentioned the benefits of cap and invest 502 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:03,760 Speaker 6: over the next twenty years. 503 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:05,000 Speaker 4: I know Carbon has analyzed the. 504 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:08,199 Speaker 6: Health savings, electricity bill savings. 505 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,440 Speaker 1: And don't forget that high speed rail. 506 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:12,919 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's why it's so easy and cheap to 507 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,359 Speaker 2: get from LA to San Francisco in two hours. 508 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:18,240 Speaker 3: It can actually do it in one hour on a 509 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:23,280 Speaker 3: flight forty five minutes Burbank TOFO. 510 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:27,199 Speaker 6: But for years now, lawmakers and both political parties have 511 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 6: been urging you to be more upfront with a direct 512 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 6: costs to consumers, especially when it comes to gas prices. 513 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 4: I mean, will you do that? 514 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 6: I mean, do you plan to explain to people once 515 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 6: this proposal maybe is finalized, how that will directly impact 516 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:41,440 Speaker 6: them at the pump? 517 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,840 Speaker 7: Yeah, gas prices from this program and the pass through 518 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:48,240 Speaker 7: from oil companies to consumers are reported on the website 519 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:49,880 Speaker 7: of the California Energy Commission. 520 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,639 Speaker 5: You can go look today it is twenty four cents 521 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:53,359 Speaker 5: per gallon. 522 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 1: It's a little higher than that. 523 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,720 Speaker 2: Didn't they give pushback at some point in the past 524 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 2: when they were not providing us with accurate information and 525 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:06,720 Speaker 2: they said it was too difficult to provide something along 526 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:07,359 Speaker 2: those lines. 527 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:09,240 Speaker 1: Sounds very California to me. 528 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:11,280 Speaker 5: But again, that cost. 529 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 7: To consumers and gas prices has already come back to 530 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:17,359 Speaker 7: Californians in the form of all of those benefits that 531 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:19,200 Speaker 7: I explained earlier. 532 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 2: Whether it's benefits you just said that fifty percent of 533 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:26,159 Speaker 2: the air is unhealthy, there is no bullet train, and 534 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 2: the e bikes are terrorizing old people all over the beaches. 535 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:31,760 Speaker 3: You have it in April, you're going to get seventy 536 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,960 Speaker 3: dollars off your PG and email woohoo. 537 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,880 Speaker 7: Explained earlier. Whether it's the investments in affordable housing and 538 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:40,000 Speaker 7: accessible transit. 539 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 1: Boy, she's a robot, isn't she. You have to be 540 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:45,080 Speaker 1: to take this job. 541 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:48,040 Speaker 5: Incentives for clean cars and trucks for farming. 542 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 3: You don't get on And by the way, good get on, Ashley, 543 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:54,400 Speaker 3: because usually this organization doesn't speak. But there's a special 544 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,760 Speaker 3: kind of cat that wants to be a statewide bureaucrat. 545 00:28:58,480 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 1: Oh, think about it. 546 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,200 Speaker 2: You go to school, you get educated in public policy 547 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:05,920 Speaker 2: or whatever she has or degrees in. You come out 548 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 2: you want to work in government, and they say to you, hey, 549 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 2: you want to be a political appointee where you have 550 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:13,920 Speaker 2: to make a lot of decisions. They're going to piss 551 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:17,560 Speaker 2: everyone off. But then the pot of gold at the 552 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 2: end of the rainbow is you get to be the 553 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:21,720 Speaker 2: fall guye because we want you to do that, but 554 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:23,640 Speaker 2: we don't want to take all the heat for it, 555 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:27,200 Speaker 2: so we're going to blame you. Wink wink, nod nod, 556 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,640 Speaker 2: and then everyone's going to hate you. And she goes 557 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 2: sign me up. 558 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:35,840 Speaker 7: Incentives for clean cars and trucks, for farming equipment, energy 559 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 7: home rebates, and those utility bill credits. And again, if 560 00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:40,240 Speaker 7: you look at. 561 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,520 Speaker 3: The stack, if you asked Californians today, would they want 562 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:45,400 Speaker 3: all of that or lower gas prices? 563 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:49,160 Speaker 2: What do you think they'd say? You're one hundred percent right, Randy. 564 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,200 Speaker 2: This is why they never speak to the public. This 565 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,680 Speaker 2: is why they never speak to the press, because this 566 00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:55,760 Speaker 2: is how they come off. 567 00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 3: Again, if you look at the this is by the 568 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,960 Speaker 3: way the full unedited inner that they post on the YouTube, 569 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,000 Speaker 3: I think the TV show that airs all up and 570 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,080 Speaker 3: down the state only at half of this interview, and 571 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:11,120 Speaker 3: it is fascinating again if you. 572 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:13,600 Speaker 7: Look at the staff proposal. I actually would like to 573 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:17,120 Speaker 7: emphasize as well that the scenario Staff put forward is 574 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:22,040 Speaker 7: twenty billion dollars less costly than scenarios that were analyzed 575 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 7: in April of twenty twenty four when we. 576 00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:24,920 Speaker 5: Started this rule making. 577 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:29,080 Speaker 7: That is our board and our staff really being responsive to, 578 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:32,640 Speaker 7: you know, concerns about costs of our regulation. So we're 579 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:36,600 Speaker 7: moving forward with the least costly scenario that we move 580 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 7: forward and will continue to. 581 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:38,800 Speaker 2: Uh. 582 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:40,719 Speaker 1: This is how they always sell it. 583 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:45,600 Speaker 2: When Jerry Brown re up cap and trade, he said, 584 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:47,600 Speaker 2: even though it's going to cost you more at the plump, 585 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,760 Speaker 2: if you don't cut this deal, I'm going to do 586 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:54,560 Speaker 2: something so draconian that it's going to cost you even more. 587 00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:57,640 Speaker 2: And so they always put a gun to your head. 588 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,760 Speaker 2: So when you complain about the cost, they go. 589 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:04,560 Speaker 1: Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa whoa. The alternative was we would 590 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:06,960 Speaker 1: hoes you even more, you. 591 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:10,240 Speaker 7: Know, emphasize the benefits of this program. In addition, to 592 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,680 Speaker 7: the Greenhouse Gas Reduction Fund and those tility bill. 593 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:18,400 Speaker 3: Rebatest boy, she keeps telling everyone about the utility bill 594 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:20,640 Speaker 3: rebates like anybody cares. 595 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:24,080 Speaker 2: No what's going on is they must have a PR person, 596 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:28,520 Speaker 2: they must have a communications arm that's telling her that 597 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:32,880 Speaker 2: these are poll tested programs. These are programs that the 598 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:36,280 Speaker 2: public approves of. So just keep repeating it over and 599 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:37,200 Speaker 2: over and over again. 600 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,800 Speaker 7: It's one hundred and twenty three billion dollars in avoided 601 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:45,760 Speaker 7: health costs for Californians. Obviously the cost of health cost 602 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:47,920 Speaker 7: insurance costs top of mind as well. 603 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:50,960 Speaker 6: All Right, Cher Sanchez, before we let you go, I 604 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,760 Speaker 6: mean we should acknowledge you're new in this role. I mean, 605 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:57,440 Speaker 6: how how has it been? I mean, are has it 606 00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 6: been a challenging beginning to this. 607 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:03,840 Speaker 7: New Thank you, Ashley, I appreciate that question again, deep humility, 608 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,040 Speaker 7: deep gratitude that you know the. 609 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:08,880 Speaker 1: The same words that Gavin uses. Have you noticed that? 610 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:11,360 Speaker 3: I don't know if we'll have time to get to it, 611 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:13,840 Speaker 3: but I kid you not. At the end of this interview, 612 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:23,280 Speaker 3: she says Mindful is using Gavin's PR flax. She's using 613 00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:25,840 Speaker 3: whoever it is that coaches Gavin is coaching this woman. 614 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:31,680 Speaker 7: Deep humility, deep gratitude that you know the governors entrusted 615 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:35,480 Speaker 7: me in this role, and I have two mentors, my 616 00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:39,680 Speaker 7: predecessors who had this role before me, and a phenomenal team, 617 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:43,720 Speaker 7: an engaged legislature, and really looking forward to continuing to 618 00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:47,120 Speaker 7: build partnerships with stakeholders of all stripes. 619 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:50,200 Speaker 5: I've been telling my team the one of our mantras 620 00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:50,880 Speaker 5: is a big tent. 621 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,440 Speaker 7: We know that it is going to take all of 622 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:56,080 Speaker 7: us to tackle climate change and tackle air pollution and 623 00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:59,080 Speaker 7: do it in a way that is really mindful of affordability. 624 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:03,480 Speaker 1: So got it. Yep, they're coaching her. 625 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,400 Speaker 3: By the way, her name is Lauren Sanchez, and Gavin 626 00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:09,000 Speaker 3: appointed her in September. 627 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,680 Speaker 1: Not the one that's married to Jeff Bezos. Different. Lauren 628 00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:14,240 Speaker 1: Sanchez is. 629 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,680 Speaker 7: Really mindful of affordability. So we look forward to the 630 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:18,520 Speaker 7: ongoing work at the board this year. 631 00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,040 Speaker 4: All right, Cheer Sanchez. Thank you so much for your 632 00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:22,320 Speaker 4: time and insight. We appreciate it. 633 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:23,520 Speaker 5: Thank you so much. Ashley. 634 00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:25,280 Speaker 1: You take care there you go. 635 00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:29,080 Speaker 3: By the way, she used to be the senior advisor 636 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:33,920 Speaker 3: to the Special Presidential Envoy for Climate in the Biden administration. 637 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:40,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, she sounds like a political hack. Eight hundred two 638 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:44,400 Speaker 2: two two five two two two is the telephone number one, 639 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:48,080 Speaker 2: eight hundred two two two five two two two. Let's 640 00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:53,400 Speaker 2: go to the phones and welcome Joseph and Los Angeles. Joseph, Hello, Hello. 641 00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:57,800 Speaker 8: Yes, these environmental groups push a little too far, and 642 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:02,000 Speaker 8: you know, they just make things so costly. And if 643 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:06,440 Speaker 8: you look at California, energy independence and diverse use of 644 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:10,359 Speaker 8: energy is so critical to one keeping our economy going. 645 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:12,480 Speaker 8: And we've got one of the top economies in the world, 646 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,480 Speaker 8: and if we weren't out of energy, we're in big trouble. 647 00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:20,480 Speaker 8: And also from a national security risk standpoint, we're a 648 00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,840 Speaker 8: border state, the oceans of border. We've got a border 649 00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:28,520 Speaker 8: along Mexico. And if we don't have diverse use of energy, 650 00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,760 Speaker 8: if we're all electric, it's easy to take down electric 651 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,399 Speaker 8: grid within a couple of days. We wouldn't be able 652 00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:37,160 Speaker 8: to cook, you know, we wouldn't be able to cook 653 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:41,080 Speaker 8: or drive or do anything. And we can be attacked. 654 00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:43,759 Speaker 8: And I have friends in the military that say that 655 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:49,400 Speaker 8: is one true that you know, all electric is national 656 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:53,240 Speaker 8: security risk. And so these guys are playing with our economy, 657 00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:57,400 Speaker 8: they're playing with their security all for their little agenda. 658 00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:02,640 Speaker 8: And if we lose these these oil companies, yeah, we 659 00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:04,920 Speaker 8: could be one hundred percent energy independent because we've got 660 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,600 Speaker 8: all the oil and everything to keep us going. And 661 00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:10,640 Speaker 8: Nellie doesn't impact California, but also Nevada in Arizona because 662 00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:14,640 Speaker 8: they get oil from us. So these are big, big 663 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:16,960 Speaker 8: issues they're just playing with and it's just not right. 664 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,760 Speaker 8: So they need to be resolved well. 665 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,799 Speaker 2: And here's what's stupid about it too. They're trying to 666 00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:27,480 Speaker 2: create something through regulation. They think that if they just 667 00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:29,360 Speaker 2: make it enough of a pain in the ass for 668 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:32,360 Speaker 2: people to use oil, that they'll start looking for alternatives. 669 00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:37,080 Speaker 2: And that's not how new industries emerge. New industries emerge 670 00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:39,440 Speaker 2: because they're able to do it better and cheaper than 671 00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:43,840 Speaker 2: what already exists. And I can't recommend this book enough. 672 00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:48,200 Speaker 2: I read the Walter Isaacson biography on Elon Musk, and 673 00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:50,840 Speaker 2: Musk spends a lot of time in the book talking 674 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:54,560 Speaker 2: about this. He believes that we need to be energy independent, 675 00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:58,000 Speaker 2: and he believes that the cheapest and best way of 676 00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:01,560 Speaker 2: doing that is by harnessing the energy produced by the Sun. 677 00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,960 Speaker 2: And part of what SpaceX is doing and part of 678 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,239 Speaker 2: what he's spending a lot of his time on is 679 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,880 Speaker 2: trying to figure out how to do that, and he 680 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:14,719 Speaker 2: believes that the ultimate way, the best way to do it, 681 00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:17,719 Speaker 2: is to shoot satellites up into the space, up into 682 00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,520 Speaker 2: the sky and then harness the power of the Sun 683 00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,120 Speaker 2: and send it back to Earth, so that way the 684 00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:26,359 Speaker 2: roof of your house doesn't look like Michael Gorbachev's head 685 00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,160 Speaker 2: where you have this big, ugly blotch on it. And 686 00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:31,919 Speaker 2: those aren't as efficient as we need them to be 687 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:35,360 Speaker 2: to run a state like California or a country like 688 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:38,640 Speaker 2: the United States. But he believes that the sun is 689 00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:42,080 Speaker 2: the answer to the question and that by shooting satellites 690 00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:44,640 Speaker 2: in the space that bring that energy back is the 691 00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:47,720 Speaker 2: best way to do it. And if so, then playing 692 00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,520 Speaker 2: around with cap and trade isn't going to make one 693 00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:53,600 Speaker 2: bit of difference at all in terms of making sure 694 00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:56,319 Speaker 2: that we're energy independent. Thank you for the call, sir. 695 00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:58,320 Speaker 2: Let's go to Robert and Santa Clara. 696 00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:02,600 Speaker 9: Robert, Hello, Yeah, I don't think the economy is good 697 00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,120 Speaker 9: when you can keep your home. Let's let's uh, we're 698 00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:07,759 Speaker 9: gonna have a wal hot summer because of mister warm 699 00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:11,520 Speaker 9: and buffet blowing out our water up north, and we 700 00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,799 Speaker 9: just don't have the water. I mean, this campetry is inflator. 701 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,240 Speaker 9: They're all involved with this, but it's really sad because 702 00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,279 Speaker 9: I'm really worried about water even more, just as much 703 00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,319 Speaker 9: as fuel. I'm glad that Trump's common daring in the 704 00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:28,399 Speaker 9: name of what is it, national defense, getting the drilling going. 705 00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:31,279 Speaker 9: We got to keep oil in these pipelines that they're 706 00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:33,560 Speaker 9: gonna get clogged, and it's good to relieve a little 707 00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:36,240 Speaker 9: system pressure coming out of the Monterey Shelf to avoid 708 00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:38,520 Speaker 9: they've even done studies and you're gonna have so much sea. 709 00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,359 Speaker 1: I'm up against a heartbreak. We gotta go, but thank 710 00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:42,000 Speaker 1: you for the call.