1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:01,440 Speaker 1: All right, we've made the connection with our guys. 2 00:00:01,440 --> 00:00:04,800 Speaker 2: Sean asked this long time San Francisco Giant and opening 3 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:07,360 Speaker 2: day yesterday did not go how we would have liked. 4 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:08,879 Speaker 1: Seven to nothing. Sean, what's going on? 5 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 3: Man? 6 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:11,719 Speaker 1: Happy baseball season two? You good to talk to again. Man, 7 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:12,559 Speaker 1: what's going on? What's up? 8 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 3: Sean? Yeah, have happy New year to you guys. Not 9 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 3: a whole lot. 10 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 4: A whole lot was not a great start for the 11 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:23,120 Speaker 4: Giants last night, but that's why they play. I guess 12 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:25,639 Speaker 4: it was one hundred and sixty one more games, so 13 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 4: a lot of knee jerk reactions, I'm sure, but not 14 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 4: the way they wanted to kick things off. 15 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 1: No, for sure. 16 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 2: I mean and again, Tony, if I tell us said 17 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:35,199 Speaker 2: it after the game, He's like, you know, there was 18 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:37,199 Speaker 2: a missed opportunity to maybe score a run in the 19 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:39,879 Speaker 2: bottom of the first inning there, first and third with 20 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:41,560 Speaker 2: one out. They didn't get the run in, But he said, 21 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 2: you know, it's tough to go back to that point 22 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:44,880 Speaker 2: and see how everything else might have played out just 23 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 2: because you scratch across a run early in the game. 24 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:49,559 Speaker 2: But just in general, what are your thoughts on the 25 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:51,479 Speaker 2: construction of this team right now? I mean, there's a 26 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 2: lot of questions on the pitching staff. I know the 27 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 2: offense didn't show up yesterday, but I do think that's 28 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 2: the strength of the team, and I think it's a 29 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 2: lineup that can compete. 30 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 4: I have to agree Coapse, I'm I I really do 31 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:04,400 Speaker 4: think that it's going to be a lion that's gonna 32 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:07,679 Speaker 4: put up runs. I mean, this is obviously coming off 33 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:10,399 Speaker 4: the heels of a shutout and a team that couldn't 34 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 4: do a whole lot against Max Freed, But I'm kind 35 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:16,200 Speaker 4: of just hoping it's not the same story as we 36 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 4: saw last year, where the team really struggled against left 37 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 4: handed pitching and especially left handed starters. Now Max Freed 38 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 4: is one of the best, maybe the second best left 39 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 4: in the NASH and the American League, so they are 40 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:31,760 Speaker 4: up against some pretty tough competition. But uh, if you 41 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:34,319 Speaker 4: can scratch a run across in the first inning and 42 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 4: maybe maybe things change a little bit, right, the momentum 43 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 4: maybe shifts a little bit. 44 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 3: Freed uh doesn't isn't able. 45 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:44,120 Speaker 4: To settle in like he did. Uh, But I think 46 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:45,959 Speaker 4: the offense is definitely going to be better than we 47 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 4: saw last night. It kind of has to be or 48 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 4: it's going to be a long year. And I think 49 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 4: the construction of it, uh, you know, in what what 50 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 4: I saw in spring training, UH proves that they have 51 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 4: a lot more length and depth in their lineup and 52 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 4: and uh they're gonna put runs up. Pitching staff wise, 53 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 4: I love I love Logan and Robbie loved how Tyler 54 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:09,919 Speaker 4: Mallley pitched in the spring. Adrian Hauser looked great landing 55 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 4: roupe coming off of a solid year last year. I 56 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 4: love the rotation. Is it the best rotation in the 57 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 4: National League? No, but it's it's a rotation where you 58 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 4: have five guys that are going to go out there 59 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 4: and give you at least five innings and keep keep 60 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 4: your team in the game. There's not a lot of 61 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 4: question marks outside of maybe the health of a couple guys. 62 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 3: Bullpen to work in progress. But I love what I 63 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 3: saw last night and what I saw in. 64 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 4: Spring training from a lot of the bullpen guys. And 65 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 4: that's going to be something that Tony Vitella is going 66 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 4: to have to figure out. He's gonna have to navigate that, 67 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:43,079 Speaker 4: figure out who those right handed guys uh to pitch 68 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 4: pitch the back end of ball games. But the one 69 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 4: thing that really stood out last night, it was the 70 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 4: one It was the one question mark I had coming 71 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 4: into the season was the defense, And you know, worked 72 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 4: really hard on defense the spring. 73 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 3: The guys that needed to work. 74 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 4: Obviously Elliott Ramos had a a blow average year defensively, 75 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 4: worked a lot with Shane Robinson and improving his jumps, 76 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 4: improving just his decision making. Obviously Ron Washington there maybe 77 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 4: one of the best ever infield guys that's come around, 78 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 4: working a lot with a rise and Bryce Eldridge, who's 79 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 4: obviously triple A right now. But you felt like that 80 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 4: the defense, even what the question marks, would be much improved, 81 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:23,639 Speaker 4: and last night it was swappy. 82 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 3: And that's the kind of. 83 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 4: What stood out to me, is that not necessarily you know, yeah, 84 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 4: you have some bad throws, you have some you know, 85 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 4: a poor decision by Romison left throwing the ball to 86 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 4: third and William throws the ball away at second base, 87 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 4: but it was more just it were was the range 88 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 4: right up the middle range. I think that's it's the 89 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 4: balls that not necessarily that that you're bobbling or making 90 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 4: bad throws, as the balls that you're not getting to. 91 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 4: And it really stands out when you have a guy 92 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 4: like Logan Web on the mound who gets a ton 93 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 4: of ground balls, and uh, and when the when the 94 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 4: balls that you know, you look at on average the 95 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 4: balls that are being caught or being fielded compared to 96 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 4: what's happening with with the Giants defense, you know that 97 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 4: that that'll be something we'll have to. 98 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 3: Figure out as the season goes on. 99 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 4: But last night it just didn't look good, just visually 100 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 4: didn't look good. So that that was my takeaways from 101 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 4: from from opening night. And and and really. 102 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:20,839 Speaker 3: How I kind of see the team right now? 103 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:24,720 Speaker 4: Is it defense is questionable, bullpen will have to wait 104 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 4: and see. Uh, I'm bullish on the on the rotation 105 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 4: and in the and I think the offense is going 106 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 4: to be pretty good. 107 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 5: Yeah, Sean, I mean I don't think we need to, 108 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 5: you know, look too much into Logan Web yesterday it 109 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 5: was just a bad outing. And we saw today also 110 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 5: Paul Skans not not a good performance to start the season. 111 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:43,479 Speaker 5: But how did you handle poor first starts of the 112 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 5: season back of the day where you waited all off 113 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 5: season to pitch again. And obviously it's the first start 114 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:49,920 Speaker 5: of the season you can move on, But how disappointing. 115 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 5: Is it to be like, damn, that's how I started 116 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 5: the season. 117 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:56,159 Speaker 3: I never had a bad outing hope in the season. 118 00:04:56,400 --> 00:05:03,159 Speaker 2: Okay, of course not, of course crazy, I'm sure Unfortunately. 119 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:05,359 Speaker 4: You guys can probably go back to the archives and 120 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 4: figure out if I did or not. 121 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 3: No, I absolutely did. 122 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:11,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, And I remember pitching Opening Day in nineteen ninety 123 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:14,839 Speaker 4: eight against the Astros in in the Astrodome and it 124 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 4: didn't go well. I mean, I came off on All 125 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 4: Star year in ninety seven, I confidenced with sky High, 126 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 4: I got the ball opening Day and you know, it 127 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 4: didn't go well. I don't I don't know how deep 128 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:25,919 Speaker 4: I pitched in the game, but I don't think I 129 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:27,919 Speaker 4: even went five innings in the game and gave up 130 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 4: a few runs and it didn't feel good. It's a 131 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 4: big wet down. And like you said, you know Logan 132 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 4: Web coming off a solid spring and then really just 133 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:39,839 Speaker 4: dominant in the in the WBC. You know he's expecting 134 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 4: really good things going up against the Yankees only game 135 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:45,599 Speaker 4: of the night or of the day, and uh, you 136 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 4: know he he has a couple of those outings a 137 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 4: year where you know he'll give he'll he'll he'll grind 138 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 4: through five innings, but he'll give up five or six spot, 139 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 4: you know, And that was just one of them last night. 140 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:58,160 Speaker 4: Unfortunately I had to come on opening day. The thing 141 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 4: is is that he's not gonna he's not gonna think 142 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 4: about it for very long. I mean, he's gonna he's 143 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 4: gonna flush it, and he'll be And that's what makes 144 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 4: him so great is that he doesn't he doesn't carry 145 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 4: that with him for very long. He'll get back on 146 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:13,479 Speaker 4: the bump and in between starts and he'll iron some 147 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:16,720 Speaker 4: things out, make some adjustments, and we'll probably see vintage 148 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 4: logan web in four days. So he takes it as 149 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:23,040 Speaker 4: hard as anybody. I saw him in the spring after 150 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 4: just coming back to the WBC and he had that 151 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:27,160 Speaker 4: one little tune up. Can't remember who it was against, 152 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:29,280 Speaker 4: but he gave up I think five or six runs 153 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:32,599 Speaker 4: and I looked at it as like, who cares? Right 154 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 4: spring training? You know, you got you got your bad 155 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 4: one out of the way. But he actually took it 156 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 4: to took it to heart. He was like, man, that 157 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:40,720 Speaker 4: was a rough one yesterday and he was ticked off 158 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 4: about it. And that's the type of guy you love 159 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:45,839 Speaker 4: to have on your rotation. Is that especially your ace 160 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:48,279 Speaker 4: is that you want that guy to be the guy like, hey, 161 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 4: I don't accept poor outings no matter when they come. 162 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:54,039 Speaker 4: So you know, this was a spring training outing, so 163 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:57,719 Speaker 4: I think he's gonna take it hard. But I think 164 00:06:57,760 --> 00:06:59,279 Speaker 4: by the time, well I know, by the time he 165 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 4: gets back on the map on his next turn, Uh, 166 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:04,359 Speaker 4: that'll be a distant memory and you'll go out and 167 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:06,160 Speaker 4: pitch like we've seen Logan web pitch. 168 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 2: I'm gonna shouan ask us here on the UMA guest line, 169 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 2: how different does starts feel in March and April relative 170 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 2: to like mid season when you've got the routine going, 171 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 2: because then you know you're on the the schedule for 172 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 2: every five days or six if there's an off day. 173 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 2: But how different does that start feel even having pitched 174 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 2: on the WBC for him? 175 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 4: Well, I mean, it's a game that actually matters to 176 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 4: your team. And that's the and and the goal is 177 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 4: coming to spring training every year with what it should 178 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 4: be with every team, is it you want. 179 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 3: To be the last team standing. 180 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 4: And so when when that game actulutely absolutely matters, uh, 181 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 4: you know, to to the team's success. Uh, there's a 182 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 4: lot of adrenaline that's involved in that game. And and 183 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 4: then there's also you know, it's it's tough to control 184 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 4: and and you know, you're talking about mid season now, 185 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 4: as you take the mound every fifth day spring training, 186 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 4: a lot of day games. They've sprinkled in more night 187 00:07:57,960 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 4: games in the spring to be a little bit more 188 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 4: like the regular season. But you're playing a lot of 189 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 4: day games in the spring. All of a sudden, now 190 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:06,119 Speaker 4: you're playing majority of night games. Your your your clock, 191 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 4: you know, changes a little bit, just just your inner 192 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 4: clock does. And so, yeah, take it takes a few 193 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 4: starts to get back into the into the swing of things. 194 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 4: But you know, some guys get off to just really 195 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 4: good starts and then they struggle in the middle of 196 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 4: the season. So there's really no rhyme or reason to it, 197 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 4: but I think I think it really does. As you 198 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 4: get the ball every fifth or six day, you start 199 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 4: to get into a routine, uh, you know, like like 200 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 4: a regular season routine, and it becomes a little bit easier. 201 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:35,440 Speaker 5: Talking to Sean Estas on the UMA guest line. As 202 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 5: far as the roster, there was one surprising move where 203 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 5: Elis Mantos was waived in favor of Jared Olive. Were 204 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 5: you surprised by that move and what'd you make of 205 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 5: Luis Mantus's time as a Giant. 206 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 3: I was actually really surprised. 207 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 4: I mean they made it obviously, the last was the 208 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 4: last day they made that decision, and they think the 209 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:54,720 Speaker 4: biggest thing was is that he was out of options, 210 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 4: and and you know, they knew that there's a chance 211 00:08:56,679 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 4: that they could lose them. I thought they would keep 212 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 4: them for that reason, because you know you can you 213 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 4: can send. The thing about it is is that you 214 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:06,200 Speaker 4: know you may lose all of it as well. But 215 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 4: I think they just valued all of a little bit 216 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:12,439 Speaker 4: better than they did Matos and based on and and 217 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 4: I don't think it had anything to do with the 218 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 4: type of sprain that Matos had. I think it had 219 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 4: everything to do with just what what what all of 220 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:22,440 Speaker 4: us provides to the team, and it's something they just 221 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 4: didn't have. 222 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 3: And that's that's speed. 223 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 4: I Mean the guy stole thirteen stolen They had thirteen 224 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 4: stolen bases in spring training. I mean it was a 225 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 4: track meet. Every time he got on the bases. I 226 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:32,200 Speaker 4: mean he was gonna steal no matter what, and he 227 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 4: was going to be safe. I mean the guy has, 228 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:37,080 Speaker 4: you know, elite speed, so so's something to have. Play, 229 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 4: plays elite defense. He does all the little things really well. 230 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 4: I think they just loved his maturity and he's the 231 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 4: guy they felt they would help the ball club win, 232 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:47,320 Speaker 4: you know, over the course of a full season, and 233 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 4: he's always he's gonna do those little things well. I 234 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 4: think with Matos, they just they I think they just 235 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:57,079 Speaker 4: had higher expectations for him. I remember hearing Pat Rile 236 00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:59,599 Speaker 4: talk about him when Pat was a hitting instructor in 237 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 4: the minor leagues, about this, this guy is going to 238 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:04,559 Speaker 4: be This guy's the best hitting prospect that we have. 239 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 3: In the minor leagues at the time. 240 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 4: Just his his bat speed, as back to ball skills. 241 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 3: They loved him, and you know. 242 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:14,440 Speaker 4: That's it's easy to see that sometimes in the minor 243 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:17,679 Speaker 4: leagues when you're facing i'll say, inferior pitching, but you're 244 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 4: not facing big league pitching. 245 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 3: But when you get to the big leagues. 246 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:23,599 Speaker 4: You've got to make some adjustments, right, I mean, the 247 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:26,959 Speaker 4: big league pitchers the book gets out on you and 248 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:30,200 Speaker 4: they're going to hammer the spots where you struggle. And 249 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 4: if you don't make those adjustments in your swing, in 250 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 4: your approach, you're going to get exploited and you're gonna 251 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:37,840 Speaker 4: end up struggling. And I think that was the case 252 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:40,560 Speaker 4: with Mato's is that just never really quite made the 253 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 4: adjustments they needed him to make, and because of that, 254 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:45,839 Speaker 4: they felt they had to make a decision between him 255 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 4: and all of U. Do I think Matos can be 256 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 4: a big leaguer, I do? I do. 257 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:51,719 Speaker 3: I think he can be an everyday player. I actually do. 258 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:53,960 Speaker 4: Sometimes you need a little bit of a wake up 259 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 4: call like this to kind of, you know, kick start. 260 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:57,960 Speaker 3: Maybe maybe you'll. 261 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 4: Stop being a stubborn and make some adjustment and then, 262 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 4: you know, some guys his careers can take off with 263 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 4: different organizations. We'll have to wait and see on that, 264 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:07,680 Speaker 4: but I just think when it came down to those 265 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:11,080 Speaker 4: two guys, they valued all of a lot more on 266 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 4: this roster than they did Matos. 267 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 5: A couple more minutes with Sean Estis on the Uma 268 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 5: Guest Line, you mentioned the bullpen's a huge question mark 269 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:19,840 Speaker 5: this this season, Sean, and I just want to get 270 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 5: your thoughts on Ryan Walker. A lot of pressure going 271 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 5: into this season and seven blows saves a year ago, 272 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 5: So what do you want to see differently from what 273 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:29,080 Speaker 5: Ryan Walker in this in this twenty twenty sixth season. 274 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:30,720 Speaker 3: More strikes. 275 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 4: I think, you know, when he was coming in and 276 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 4: he was setting games, setting up games, it's a different 277 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 4: type of pressure than it is when you're when you're 278 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 4: closing games out. And I think you know, he started 279 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:43,680 Speaker 4: off well as the closer. I mean, he dominated and 280 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:45,559 Speaker 4: and then you start to struggle a little bit and 281 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:48,200 Speaker 4: you start to doubt not not only your stuff, but 282 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:51,560 Speaker 4: the ability to command pitches. I think that he just 283 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:55,359 Speaker 4: has just he has such great deception and the crossfire 284 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 4: that he has his great arm angle where he creates 285 00:11:57,360 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 4: a lot of movement, and he's got two pitches that 286 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 4: they're elite. One goes one way and the other goes 287 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:04,319 Speaker 4: the other way. And he's just a really tough at that, 288 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 4: especially for right handed hitters. And I think he just 289 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 4: had a ton of confidence because he didn't have a 290 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:10,559 Speaker 4: lot of He had a lot of success in the 291 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 4: minor leagues and then he got to the big leagues 292 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 4: and he just picked up right where left off. 293 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:14,720 Speaker 3: Well he started. 294 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 4: You know, he actually dealt with little failure last year 295 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 4: and didn't didn't deal well with it. And I think 296 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 4: what he tried to do is tried to be better 297 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:24,080 Speaker 4: than he really needed to be. I think he tried 298 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 4: to be too perfect. And when you do that, that's 299 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 4: when you start to struggle. You start that loose, loose 300 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 4: command and you start to walk guys. And you know, 301 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 4: how many times did we see him come in last 302 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 4: year where he just he hit a batter or he'd 303 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 4: walked the first batter, or you know, he just didn't 304 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 4: have that command, And you know, I think I think 305 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 4: he learned a lot from that. He did an interview 306 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 4: with the NBC people when they came down this spring, 307 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 4: Him and Casey Schmidt and Spencer Bibbins were all on 308 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 4: the panel and someone asked him about, you know, what 309 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:56,720 Speaker 4: do you expected yourself this year? And he's fast, says, 310 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 4: I learned a ton from last year. I learned tons 311 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 4: from the failure years that I have. It's gonna make 312 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 4: me a better pitcher this year. I'm not gonna panic 313 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 4: when things don't go well like they did last year. 314 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 4: And he went out this spring and he didn't give 315 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 4: up a run all spring. So I think he'll he'll 316 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 4: he is he gonna be perfect? 317 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 3: No, nobody is right. 318 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 4: I mean it's very difficult to run the table and 319 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 4: saves in a year. He's going to have his hiccups, 320 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 4: but I think it's how he deals with that failure. 321 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 4: It's not going to prolong, right, It's not going to 322 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:26,679 Speaker 4: go from one blown save to three or four. It's 323 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 4: going to be Okay, that happened. I know what I 324 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 4: need to do now to get back on track, and 325 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 4: you can rely on him to take the ball the 326 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:37,960 Speaker 4: next day and get the job done. So that's my hope, 327 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:40,960 Speaker 4: and that's where I think his mind is right now. 328 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 4: So I expect good things from Ryan Walker. I do 329 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 4: because I think if there's one guy in that bullpen 330 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:48,559 Speaker 4: that really if you're going to focus. 331 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:50,319 Speaker 3: On a guy that means the most of that pen. 332 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:53,839 Speaker 4: It's him, because there really isn't another guy that you 333 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:55,959 Speaker 4: can say, I'm gonna be able to trust in the 334 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 4: ninth inning because quite frankly, nobody's done that. Nobody's done 335 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 4: it in the ninth uh And so he's the one 336 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 4: guy that has had experience and success. 337 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 3: So he's to me the key to. 338 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 4: That ballten this year, and I think it'll all trickle 339 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 4: down from there and then you can figure out who 340 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 4: your eighth to ninth or seventh inning guys are uh as. 341 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:16,080 Speaker 3: As the games progress. 342 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 2: Sewan asked us the voice you hear on the UMA 343 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 2: guest line. Giants open their day schedule tomorrow against the 344 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 2: Yankees one thirty five, first pitch right here on these 345 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 2: sports leader, Sean, I did find the ninety eight opener 346 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 2: at Houston. I kind of remember this game like that 347 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 2: was a kid, but I vaguely remember this game. 348 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 1: You did did knock to around. But you know what, dude, 349 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you. I'm gonna give you some property. 350 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 2: You guys won the game anyway, and you rope the 351 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 2: double on one pitch and you're only a bet about. 352 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:38,960 Speaker 1: That nice first pitch. 353 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 4: Say, thanks for focusing on the positive. 354 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 1: You got to w man, you know what I mean? 355 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 3: So I got to w you. 356 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 1: You didn't. You didn't get it a bit, dude, Rob. 357 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 2: I think then might have that he came in two 358 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 2: winnings and like middle relief and struck up five, didn't 359 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 2: allow base runners, so five and the six guys, So hey, man, 360 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 2: just you just gotta gotta get it going early. 361 00:14:57,520 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 1: That's all. 362 00:14:58,760 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 4: That's right, That's right. 363 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 3: Well, I at the bat going early. 364 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, I get it. 365 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 4: I got to get the arm going right. 366 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 2: I mean, you're one of the dude, you're one of 367 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 2: the better offensive. We had some good offensive pitchers at 368 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 2: one point. I mean you had had a Grand Slam 369 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 2: in your career. I know Russ was. 370 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 1: Okay with the bat wood. He was great with a bat. 371 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 1: Levo could hit a little bit. Like we had some 372 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 1: dudes that could swing. 373 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 3: It without a doubt. I mean we we. 374 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 4: I mean you mentioned all the guys that I was 375 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 4: I was going to tell you. 376 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 3: I mean, those are four of the five guys in 377 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 3: the rotation. 378 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 4: Gardner I think was the fifth guy, Joe Nathan for 379 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 4: a little bit. 380 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 3: Joe Nathan could handle the bat too. 381 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 4: He was a short stop, you know. Yeah, and g 382 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 4: Gardy was Guardy wasn't it out either, but you know 383 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 4: he was an elite like we were. 384 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 3: Not. 385 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 1: Like guy, Yeah, you're great talking to him. 386 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 2: Always fun catching up and looking forward to talking to 387 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:41,840 Speaker 2: you throughout the year. 388 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 1: Man, we'll do it again soon. 389 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 3: Thanks Sean, Okay, thanks guys, great. 390 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 2: Stuff, man, d I love geting to talk to giants 391 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 2: from from my era as a kid, Like I was 392 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 2: just thinking about that looking at that lineup, and I 393 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 2: was like, now I got stuff. That's it's pinned in 394 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:53,800 Speaker 2: my brain for Richie Richard really are going to join us. 395 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 2: A little bit later, Sean. 396 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:57,480 Speaker 1: Has a grand slam off of Roger Clouds reveens. Yeah, 397 00:15:57,480 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 1: that's incredible, it's pretty sweet. 398 00:15:58,560 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 2: Did yeah, they hate some guys who could hit the giant. 399 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 2: We've had good legacy. I mean, don't forget the last 400 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 2: picture home run. 401 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 1: Ever, Logan to Web, right, oh yeah, and. 402 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 2: A home run the final at bat for a final 403 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 2: home run for a picture before they moved to University 404 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 2: of Couch was logan web, Did I tell. 405 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 5: You my encounter with Shawn Ases back in the day 406 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 5: when I was producing so was just a fun celebrity run. 407 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 5: So I was working weekends at the other station in 408 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 5: the lake, Great Michael Irvan was doing Inside the Bigs, 409 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 5: and every weekend he had Shawn Ester coming studio. Now, 410 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 5: Sean doesn't do elevators, He's not herely takes stare. 411 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 1: He's definitely afraid of elevators. 412 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 5: So he comes in, he's riding his bike and he goes, hey, Derek, 413 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 5: you mind going up to the twelve four with me? 414 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 1: And I was like, well, you know, we. 415 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 5: Got gotta make a quick here, Sean, I gotta get 416 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 5: back to the studio, goes, you have time to go 417 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 5: up twelve flights of stairs with me. So I'm going 418 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 5: upstairs with him. Yes, And Sean is in perfect shape 419 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 5: and I'm just hoffing him puff and he goes, damn, dude, 420 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 5: I'm forty years old. 421 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 1: You can't get through one flight of stairs. Good god man, 422 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 1: I'm like a Sean get a peanut? Forgot about that 423 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:57,480 Speaker 1: was that him? That was him a year ago? 424 00:16:57,480 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 5: And I remember, like Dave's like, go go get a 425 00:16:59,120 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 5: glass of water. 426 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 1: No, get another pe hudge, Come on, Sean. That's pretty good, dude, 427 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:06,399 Speaker 1: that's pretty funny. I met Sean asked this. 428 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 2: My dad was interviewing him at on Mornings on two 429 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:11,119 Speaker 2: like years ago. I mean, I was a kid. I 430 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:12,920 Speaker 2: had to be like seven, and he showed I remember 431 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 2: he was doing like some it was ahead of opening 432 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 2: day and he showed me the He taught me as 433 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:18,359 Speaker 2: like a seven or eight. That must have been like 434 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:20,399 Speaker 2: eight or nine. He taught me the difference between a 435 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 2: two seam and a four seamed fastball. Nice Seawan as 436 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:25,920 Speaker 2: did grips. I was like, pretty cool. Sewan's yeah, he's 437 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 2: a great dude man great stuff from Seawan asked us, 438 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:30,119 Speaker 2: we'll talk to more Giants baseball a little bit later. 439 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:33,200 Speaker 2: Our guy Richardrelli is joining us for his weekly conversation 440 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 2: at four fifty. We can talk more about that Giants era. 441 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 2: When did Richie feel like his swing was in form 442 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:39,440 Speaker 2: at the start of the year, Because I don't know 443 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 2: if the Giants had it going last night three minutes 444 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 2: as they go down to one of the better starters 445 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:46,200 Speaker 2: in baseball in match free, plus Andy Baggerly to give 446 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 2: us the reporter side of things after the game from 447 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 2: Bytello's angle last night after. 448 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:52,639 Speaker 1: The loss, We'll take a quick break. When we come 449 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:53,160 Speaker 1: on back. 450 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 2: We continue to get into some of your stories, and 451 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 2: we got we've got more to get to in terms 452 00:17:57,560 --> 00:18:00,159 Speaker 2: of our funny and odd celebrity run ins. Plus like 453 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:02,160 Speaker 2: if we're gonna go like low class celeb we're gonna 454 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 2: mention my dad. Okay, you know what I mean, like 455 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 2: B class. I'll say that our guy Pat h noting 456 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 2: if the patt ahe crap section. 457 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:11,199 Speaker 1: YEA had a little county. Yes, I run in with 458 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 1: my dad yesterday at my dad's house. What did they 459 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:13,880 Speaker 1: got office? 460 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:16,199 Speaker 2: A little bit later, Plus I did I did have 461 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:17,919 Speaker 2: that weird running with Gabe Kapler at that time on 462 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 2: his birthday. I can tell you that's his birthday too. 463 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 2: I'll tell you that story again as well. We'll take 464 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:23,280 Speaker 2: a quick break. When do we come on back Danny's 465 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:25,960 Speaker 2: double dips. More to come, dirty work on the Sports Leader. 466 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 1: Take a drink, DC got water. 467 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:30,119 Speaker 4: Don't eat another peanut, Take a drink. 468 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 1: I'm done talking. I've done