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Speaker 2: Here we go, Niners back in our lives man owners meeting.

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Speaker 3: You got John Lynch on the substation, you.

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Speaker 2: Got Kyle Shanahan on Australia and Christian McCaffrey, and you

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Speaker 2: got jed Yorke Goring Macro about what it's like to

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Speaker 2: own the forty nine ers. So Matt Barrows of the

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Speaker 2: Athletic joining us right now in the uma.

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Speaker 3: Guest like, I'm on to Matt. How are you man?

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Speaker 4: Hey, morning man, I'm doing well. How are you guys?

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Speaker 5: Good?

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Speaker 3: Good good?

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Speaker 2: How's the I remember I think I only covered one

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Speaker 2: owners meeting and it felt like a wax museum come

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Speaker 2: to life, like because the door would open and outwalked

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Speaker 2: Al Davis and outwalked like you know, Jerry Jones, and

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Speaker 2: outwalked like throwing a Ralph Wilson from Buffalo Toddling is,

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Speaker 2: you know, sputtering out of there. You know, You're like, hey,

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Speaker 2: these are all the guys I see on TV. Right,

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Speaker 2: what's it like for you?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's Matt Barrows rubbing elbows with the the Maras

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Speaker 5: and the Rooney's and all the the great families of

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Speaker 5: the NFL, and they have a party one night of

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Speaker 5: the week Murph where you know, the the media, if

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Speaker 5: you can believe this, are treated just as well as

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Speaker 5: everyone else. And so there's a lot of mingling that

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Speaker 5: goes on. Uh, you know it's in off the record situations,

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Speaker 5: but you know it's it's a it's nice to be

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Speaker 5: uh treated not like the enemy or not like uh,

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Speaker 5: you know some children who have kind of stolen into

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Speaker 5: the yard and and need to be.

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Speaker 4: Ruffled up and moved to a different place. So that's nice.

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Speaker 5: And I can report here's a little bit of intrigue

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Speaker 5: that you're that your listeners might be interested in, you know,

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Speaker 5: trying to wait on Kyle Shanahan all night so that

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Speaker 5: you can have a little impromptu talk with him, maybe

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Speaker 5: get some detail some nuggets that you know aren't on

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Speaker 5: the record. But we couldn't get to him because he

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Speaker 5: was having a long, long dinner with Commanders General manager

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Speaker 4: So I don't know what that means.

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Speaker 5: It could be just two old chums catching up, or

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Speaker 5: it could mean that this Brandon Aiyuk situation might be

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Speaker 5: finally reaching its terminus.

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Speaker 6: Now, Matt, that was the first thing that I thought of,

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Speaker 6: too when you just mentioned that A potential brand and

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Speaker 6: I you trade. But I also want to ask you

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Speaker 6: about the comments yesterday from Jed York about maybe seeing

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Speaker 6: Brendan and I you back in a forty nine or Jersey.

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Speaker 6: Do you think it's more or less likely we see

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Speaker 6: Brendan and I you traded or back with the forty

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Speaker 4: Traded for sure.

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Speaker 5: And I don't really even think that Brandon and Ike

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Speaker 5: think this is all part of them trying to trade him.

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Speaker 5: I just can't see that happening from several different perspectives,

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Speaker 5: financial and then cultural. More to the point, I mean,

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Speaker 5: I remember what happened with Devondre Campbell in twenty twenty

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Speaker 4: Walked off the field and basically quit the team.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I've never seen, you know, a team, the

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Speaker 5: coaching staff, the players, George Kittle kind of revolt against

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Speaker 5: I just don't see that happening. I don't think that

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Speaker 5: Kyle Shanahan, I don't think John Lynch wont him back.

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Speaker 5: I'm not sure why Jed York floated that.

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Speaker 4: Again.

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Speaker 5: It might be all kind of geared toward getting something

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Speaker 5: So I think that that's what it's all about.

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Speaker 2: Matt Barrows is the voice you hear from the athletic.

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Speaker 2: Nice to hear that they're treating him well at the

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Speaker 2: owner's meeting, which is surprising Matt, because I've been told

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Speaker 2: very surprised to hear that. I just had to say that.

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Speaker 4: Matt.

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Speaker 3: Had to get that off my chest. Hey buddy, are

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Speaker 3: you there? But are you there?

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Speaker 5: I am, I'm here. There's a little tear going down

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Speaker 2: Okay, so there's a lot going on here, John Lynch.

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Speaker 2: Let's start chronologically, because we you know, Sunday, John Lynch

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Speaker 3: Now, he provided no report and no names, so I

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Speaker 2: I mean, we all kind of thought the substations seemed

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Speaker 2: you make of the upshot of the substation quote nothing burger?

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Speaker 5: Well maybe the tactic is to fight bad science with

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Speaker 4: I believe them.

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Speaker 5: They did not offer a name or a company or

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Speaker 5: anything like that. You know, they obviously were ready to

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Speaker 5: uh discuss this report and call it a nothing burger.

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Speaker 4: But they should have had.

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Speaker 5: They should have, you know, worked out something with the

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Speaker 5: actually talk to the guy. And they're like, well, we

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Speaker 5: So that apparently is in the works, but it hasn't

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Speaker 5: to have a level of skepticism.

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Speaker 4: That that's what we do as journalists.

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Speaker 5: We create, we create problems, and we ask really annoying

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Speaker 5: you know, I do believe ultimately that that that report

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Speaker 5: So there's been a lot of work that's been done.

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Speaker 5: And so you know what, what the forty nine ers

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Speaker 6: The forty nine ers are still looking for a solution

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Speaker 6: on a substation, and they're still looking for a solution

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Speaker 6: on the Trent Williams contract situation.

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Speaker 3: Matt, what can you tell.

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Speaker 6: Us about the latest breakdown and takeaways you got from

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Speaker 6: here and John Lynch speak about that situation earlier this week.

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Speaker 5: I mean, John Lynch seems to think that a deal

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Speaker 5: verbiage he used, I mean, usually these guys are very

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Speaker 5: careful with what they say until the contract is actually ratified.

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Speaker 5: Like even after they they strike a deal, they say, well,

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Speaker 5: I said, his verbiage seemed to indicate that he thought

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Speaker 5: no pressure points to this, there's no deadline.

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Speaker 5: The forty nine ers are not in any sort of

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Speaker 5: Even after the draft when they have to sign their

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Speaker 5: don't know what that means as far as just finalizing

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Speaker 5: But there doesn't seem to be a lot of worry

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Speaker 5: reflected in the in the business that they've done this spring.

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Speaker 5: They did they did sign a couple of backup offensive linemen.

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Speaker 5: But those were those were openings at those spots, at

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Speaker 5: those backup spots. It's not as if they are preparing

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Speaker 5: for life without Trent Williams.

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Speaker 2: Matt Barrow's voice you hear from the owners meetings in Phoenix, Arizona.

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Speaker 2: We talked a little about the substation by four oh

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Speaker 2: eight with a great text of the foreignit should lean

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Speaker 2: in and open a sandwich booth at Levi's Station Levi

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Speaker 3: All right, we're good, all right, all right, okay.

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Speaker 2: One of the many things that have come out. We

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Speaker 2: ayuk Is, Christian McCaffrey and Kyle famous last words quote.

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Speaker 2: In order for us to be the running team we

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Speaker 2: got to get someone to help him. Gosh it that

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Speaker 2: I said. Now, while we were sleeping, Brian Robinson slipped away.

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Speaker 2: He went to Atlanta signed with the bb John Robinson's backup.

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Speaker 2: So right now, it's Christian McCaffrey, Jordan James, Isaac Grendo,

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Speaker 2: this Are you believing Christian?

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Speaker 3: He can't. I mean, Kyle, he can't quit Christian. It's

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Speaker 3: broke back running back. He can't quit him. What's your thought?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's my thought, and I think that Bryan Robinson

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Speaker 5: that Brian Robinson would agree with your your broke back tailback,

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Speaker 5: not just for Kyle Shanahan, but for Bobby Turner, who's

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Speaker 5: was running Trell Davis, you know, thirty forty times a

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Speaker 4: In his head that rely on a dynamic tailback like

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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, go get one in the draft.

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Speaker 2: I mean you you've mentioned before, and I watched a

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Speaker 3: This kid, Eli Heidenreich.

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Speaker 2: Now, I don't know, you know, I think there's a

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Speaker 2: He was like a little baby CMC. I don't know

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Speaker 2: quick Google search. I mean, Jeremiah Love, they're not getting

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Speaker 2: These are guys who have passed catching a bit. I

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Speaker 2: guess it's a long way of asking, do you think

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Speaker 2: they'd go get a CMC type in the draft.

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Speaker 5: I think that they really liked Jordan James, a guy

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Speaker 4: I think he was a was a fourth round or

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Speaker 5: You know the story. Once you get hurt early in

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Speaker 5: And I think the takeaway is that by the end

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 5: Having said that, I'm so glad that you brought up

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Speaker 4: C MC.

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Speaker 5: He's going to be in the Marine Corps when he

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Speaker 5: uh when when he has to do his service.

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Speaker 4: So c m C h u MC United States Marine Corps.

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Speaker 3: That there is it is we did.

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Speaker 5: We could sell we could sell tickets at our our

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Speaker 3: I'm going to order the u S c m C

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Speaker 5: Yes, I mean to me, he's they've got what four

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Speaker 5: and uh, you know he's going to be a special

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Speaker 5: looks a little like CMC. I don't think he's a

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Speaker 5: fast Christian McCaffrey was coming out of Stanford, but catching

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Speaker 5: he would be a wonderful pick. Maybe that's their last

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, and now that we've said it, it won't happen.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, what did you take away?

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Speaker 2: It seems like from my perspective, and I've been through

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: I think exactly that that you know, we're going into

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Speaker 4: That's an eternity.

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Speaker 5: You know, Bill Walsh didn't last much more than ten years.

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Speaker 5: Head coaches rarely do that, and head coaches and gms

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Speaker 5: But I don't I don't get any sense that the

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Speaker 5: You know, I do think that they need to to.

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Speaker 4: Get some hits.

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Speaker 5: They had some great drafts in twenty seventeen, in twenty

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Speaker 5: They haven't. It doesn't seem as if they've found that

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Speaker 5: difference maker in recent drafts. They've been some nice picks,

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Speaker 4: Of just nailing guys. The Rams have been doing that.

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Speaker 5: Puka Nakua, Kyron Williams, they're two edge rushers. They've done

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Speaker 5: And I think that's that's reflected in, you know, how

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Speaker 5: the Joneses. And that means I think coming away with

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Speaker 3: Three weeks from Thursday.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, if I did my quick research

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Speaker 2: chat GPT Christian McCaffrey's forty times at the Combine four

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Speaker 3: There you go. There you go, buddy, che on them.

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Speaker 5: Mark, you have to you have to grind the film

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Speaker 5: on a film they he doesn't seem speed.

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Speaker 2: He looks to looks tinier, but he's listed at six

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Speaker 3: So we can go all day.

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Speaker 2: All right, We're gonna we'll see at the substation, buddy,

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Speaker 2: see you get a sandwich.

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Speaker 4: Okay, we'll get out your orders.

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Speaker 3: Twelve foot twelve inch turkey.

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Speaker 2: All right, grab Adelli number with bacon and uh and

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Speaker 2: and pickles.

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Speaker 3: All right, be good, Matt, take care, thanks, Matt.

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Speaker 4: Alright, talk later, Bett.

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Speaker 3: Matt Barrows on the Sports Leader