WEBVTT - There Are No Talking Ducks! 0:00:09.960 --> 0:00:13.800 Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio at the 0:00:13.850 --> 0:00:18.090 George Washington Broadcast Center. Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty. 0:00:18.270 --> 0:00:33.159 Armstrong and Getty. And now, here's Armstrong and Getty. So 0:00:33.260 --> 0:00:37.239 Saturday Night Live returned over the weekend, and I like 0:00:37.780 --> 0:00:40.630 Jane Wickline, one of the new stars. I think she's funny, 0:00:40.670 --> 0:00:43.830 my brother. I think she's the most unfunny person they've 0:00:43.890 --> 0:00:47.650 ever had on Saturday Night Live. But anyway, she did 0:00:47.710 --> 0:00:51.290 her Dario Amodi. They had Dario Amodi, her, on as 0:00:51.390 --> 0:00:54.750 a guest during the news talking about the fears of AI. 0:00:54.950 --> 0:00:59.180 AI is the devil and I its maker. What? What? 0:01:00.820 --> 0:01:05.259 No, well, so, look, Sam Altman, myself, all the major 0:01:05.319 --> 0:01:08.280 AI players, we have talked about this extensively, and we 0:01:08.319 --> 0:01:11.080 are all on the same page here. We do not 0:01:11.180 --> 0:01:12.700 condone what we are doing. 0:01:14.270 --> 0:01:16.289 Shouldn't you be talking about the pros of AI? I mean, 0:01:16.310 --> 0:01:18.450 don't you guys keep saying that it's going to cure cancer? 0:01:18.630 --> 0:01:22.569 Yeah, so, put it this way. In 10 years, there's 0:01:22.590 --> 0:01:25.170 about a 10% chance that cancer won't be a problem 0:01:25.209 --> 0:01:25.750 for anyone. 0:01:27.730 --> 0:01:31.040 I don't like the way you're saying that, buddy. I mean, 0:01:31.080 --> 0:01:34.920 how is this a good thing? Look, so, Che, it's simple. 0:01:35.260 --> 0:01:37.500 If you could drink a milk that made your life easier, 0:01:37.800 --> 0:01:39.270 but there was a 10% chance it. 0:01:39.270 --> 0:01:40.929 Killed you, would you drink the milk? 0:01:41.550 --> 0:01:41.850 No. 0:01:43.130 --> 0:01:43.610 Really? 0:01:43.630 --> 0:01:43.699 Yes! 0:01:46.030 --> 0:01:47.610 Well, what if there was a button that when you 0:01:47.660 --> 0:01:48.620 push it, everyone dies? 0:01:49.480 --> 0:01:50.360 Would you push the button? 0:01:50.640 --> 0:01:51.770 No! Really? 0:01:52.140 --> 0:01:54.250 Dario, are you okay? 0:01:54.630 --> 0:01:57.770 I'm sort of blacking out every time I talk. I'd 0:01:57.790 --> 0:02:00.590 love to start this interview over, or better yet, you know, 0:02:00.630 --> 0:02:01.230 my whole life. 0:02:02.010 --> 0:02:05.250 The whole AI is going to kill us all obviously 0:02:05.350 --> 0:02:10.910 has caught many people's attention. Yeah. And Joe is going 0:02:10.930 --> 0:02:13.130 to explain to us why it's all a ruse, but 0:02:13.230 --> 0:02:16.010 Elon Musk was on one of the big tech shows 0:02:16.070 --> 0:02:20.250 over the weekend, Peter Diamond's podcast. and shared his predictions 0:02:20.290 --> 0:02:23.340 about what is coming, he believes we're living through the 0:02:23.380 --> 0:02:26.660 singularity right now. That's where AI becomes as smart or 0:02:26.700 --> 0:02:30.020 smarter than human beings. Or there are many definitions for that. 0:02:30.120 --> 0:02:34.130 All these things have squishy definitions, but where technological growth 0:02:34.250 --> 0:02:39.250 accelerates beyond human control. The part that got my attention 0:02:39.270 --> 0:02:41.750 is this is the first time I feel like he 0:02:41.770 --> 0:02:44.440 or anybody else has ever admitted this out loud before. 0:02:45.020 --> 0:02:50.090 that we're heading for universal high income and great social unrest. 0:02:50.590 --> 0:02:54.370 That isn't, it's always been presented in, and won't that 0:02:54.430 --> 0:02:56.929 be great? And we have said on this show, I 0:02:56.930 --> 0:02:59.549 don't know if I've heard anybody else really talk about this, 0:02:59.590 --> 0:03:02.850 but as we've said on this show, and what? You 0:03:02.870 --> 0:03:05.450 think that's going to just automatically be fine? We will 0:03:05.470 --> 0:03:07.450 get a bunch of checks, and we'll all be perfectly 0:03:07.510 --> 0:03:10.290 fine making the same amount of money all of a sudden, 0:03:10.530 --> 0:03:15.350 and what? And we've had some interesting discussions. 0:03:15.389 --> 0:03:18.910 Maybe I should get the evidence back together and launch 0:03:18.950 --> 0:03:21.790 it again on what would an economy look like that 0:03:21.850 --> 0:03:28.490 had virtually no scarcity or no real opportunity for 99.9% 0:03:28.490 --> 0:03:30.710 of us to get ahead. We would just all be 0:03:30.750 --> 0:03:34.440 on the same government dole, all have the same amount 0:03:34.470 --> 0:03:35.660 of plentiful money. 0:03:36.080 --> 0:03:38.900 Who gets the house with the view of the ocean? Right. 0:03:39.400 --> 0:03:44.140 Who gets that nice hilltop lot? Does everybody get Ferraris? 0:03:44.360 --> 0:03:47.940 Right. There will still be some cars that are better 0:03:47.980 --> 0:03:52.620 than other cars. I don't quite understand how it would 0:03:52.660 --> 0:03:56.050 work either. And as I always ask, when does it start? 0:03:56.530 --> 0:03:59.910 Many people have lost their jobs due to AI already. 0:04:00.680 --> 0:04:02.760 And it's going to grow a lot in the next year. 0:04:02.920 --> 0:04:07.120 At what point does this income start? Who's gathering it 0:04:07.740 --> 0:04:11.940 under what system and then handing it out? Nobody ever 0:04:12.020 --> 0:04:15.660 says that. Yeah. But the part that got my attention 0:04:15.800 --> 0:04:19.810 also was Elon saying the real danger is a life 0:04:19.850 --> 0:04:23.309 with no challenge left. Elon's deepest worry is a WALL-E future. 0:04:23.370 --> 0:04:26.370 I never watched WALL-E. Finally. It's a good movie. Compelling. 0:04:26.390 --> 0:04:29.710 I'll have to watch it with my kids. Appropriate for 0:04:29.730 --> 0:04:32.430 the whole family. Henry and I watched Inglorious Bastards over 0:04:32.450 --> 0:04:34.990 the weekend, which I hadn't seen. Not appropriate for the 0:04:35.010 --> 0:04:37.990 entire family. Which we hadn't. He's a teenager. Which we 0:04:38.010 --> 0:04:40.140 hadn't seen. And I hadn't seen since it was in 0:04:40.180 --> 0:04:45.320 the theaters. Better than I remembered. Quentin Tarantino. Little Violet. Oh, yeah. 0:04:45.600 --> 0:04:45.800 Yeah. 0:04:46.580 --> 0:04:49.719 Anyway, Elon's worry with AI is if every desire is 0:04:49.800 --> 0:04:53.880 met and nobody has a challenge, people would become couch potatoes. 0:04:53.960 --> 0:04:56.510 An unchallenged life, he says, does not go well for humans. 0:04:56.529 --> 0:04:56.669 Yeah. 0:04:57.050 --> 0:04:57.870 Right. 0:04:58.600 --> 0:04:59.210 Yeah. 0:04:59.330 --> 0:05:01.880 And that's not kind of just like a minor you 0:05:01.960 --> 0:05:04.599 throw it in at the end of the discussion sort 0:05:04.640 --> 0:05:08.300 of problem, is it? It's astounding. This is the first 0:05:08.320 --> 0:05:11.840 time one of those guys has addressed this. Elon's saying 0:05:12.080 --> 0:05:15.000 me and my super rich, super smart friends are developing 0:05:15.040 --> 0:05:18.350 this technology. It is coming fast. Elon thinks in the 0:05:18.410 --> 0:05:21.770 next year. And oh, by the way, it doesn't work 0:05:21.850 --> 0:05:24.610 out for humans to have no challenges or desires left. 0:05:25.930 --> 0:05:28.429 Then what are we doing? Yes, exactly. 0:05:28.470 --> 0:05:31.170 We're inventing a machine that removes the need to strive 0:05:31.510 --> 0:05:37.430 for anything, for success, for validation, for a place in society, 0:05:37.630 --> 0:05:43.950 for sex, for artistic satisfaction. We'll remove the need to, well, 0:05:44.290 --> 0:05:47.010 for a lot of people, though. It removes so many 0:05:47.029 --> 0:05:49.390 of the incentives for writing a song or a poem 0:05:49.430 --> 0:05:51.630 or writing a book or what have you, because machines 0:05:51.670 --> 0:05:54.130 will crank them out so readily that, you know, what's 0:05:54.170 --> 0:05:59.490 the point? There will be a niche market for human-made music, probably. 0:05:59.570 --> 0:06:03.630 But anyway, it's just, yeah, at least they're finally addressing it. 0:06:03.660 --> 0:06:06.820 But this is, I mean, it's among the most ancient 0:06:06.839 --> 0:06:10.480 of proverbs that idle hands are the devil's plaything. 0:06:10.640 --> 0:06:16.039 Isn't it weird, though? I don't... How is our national 0:06:16.080 --> 0:06:21.910 conversation so stupid so often that I don't hear... I'm 0:06:21.950 --> 0:06:24.919 trying to think. Even on the smart podcasts I listen to, 0:06:24.940 --> 0:06:27.219 I don't feel like I've heard them bring this up and, like, 0:06:27.279 --> 0:06:28.100 really discuss it. 0:06:29.240 --> 0:06:32.240 You know what you just did? You just paraphrased the 0:06:32.300 --> 0:06:36.500 great Homer Simpson. Why do the things that happen to 0:06:36.610 --> 0:06:39.010 stupid people keep happening to me? 0:06:39.029 --> 0:06:42.170 Right. Which is one of my favorite sayings of all time. 0:06:42.770 --> 0:06:43.049 Right. 0:06:43.490 --> 0:06:48.240 Why are our discussions as a country so often the 0:06:48.250 --> 0:06:50.200 discussions stupid people have? 0:06:52.580 --> 0:06:56.500 But like, so if I said to my family, I've 0:06:56.600 --> 0:06:58.540 figured out a way to keep our house warm in 0:06:58.560 --> 0:07:00.940 the winter. I'm going to build a giant fire in 0:07:00.960 --> 0:07:03.900 the living room. It'll keep the house warm. We'll no 0:07:03.960 --> 0:07:08.930 longer have electricity bills. Problem solved. I've solved that problem. 0:07:09.250 --> 0:07:09.430 Yes. 0:07:10.150 --> 0:07:14.390 And then somebody doesn't bring up until it's already happened. 0:07:15.310 --> 0:07:16.730 Won't this burn down the house? 0:07:17.050 --> 0:07:17.490 Oh, yeah. Yeah. 0:07:17.530 --> 0:07:20.450 It'll likely burn down the house. Then why are we 0:07:20.570 --> 0:07:24.870 doing it? Well, it solves the heating problem. Isn't it 0:07:24.930 --> 0:07:26.470 that analogy like perfect? 0:07:26.970 --> 0:07:31.500 Well, it's decent, except it leaves out that we can't say, wow, 0:07:31.540 --> 0:07:35.350 that would be stupid and suicidal. So we're not doing it. 0:07:35.440 --> 0:07:38.280 But your next door neighbor is going to burn down 0:07:38.320 --> 0:07:43.440 your house, too. That would be China. China is going 0:07:43.480 --> 0:07:45.640 to do this stuff no matter what we think, which 0:07:45.780 --> 0:07:47.580 is another super interesting aspect of this. 0:07:47.620 --> 0:07:48.640 I want to get to eventually. 0:07:49.300 --> 0:07:52.240 How the idea that we're going to cooperate with China 0:07:52.600 --> 0:07:59.820 and develop guidelines, friends, that is so stupidly fanciful. Seriously, 0:08:00.150 --> 0:08:03.630 it's like basing your life plan on finding a talking duck. 0:08:03.990 --> 0:08:07.790 There's no chance it will ever happen. So what are 0:08:07.830 --> 0:08:13.570 you talking about? Don't trust China. Or talking ducks. What 0:08:13.610 --> 0:08:18.240 are you going to do in retirement? Well... I'm planning 0:08:18.280 --> 0:08:21.560 on finding a talking duck and asking it. Right. 0:08:21.660 --> 0:08:24.400 Or putting it on the road or whatever. It just 0:08:24.460 --> 0:08:26.980 doesn't matter why you need a talking duck. 0:08:27.060 --> 0:08:29.880 It's a metaphor. Well, the point is. Put the duck back. 0:08:30.490 --> 0:08:32.610 The real point is there are no talking ducks. So 0:08:32.650 --> 0:08:35.030 this plan is fraught. Exactly. 0:08:35.390 --> 0:08:35.710 Yes. 0:08:35.790 --> 0:08:37.050 Well, it's idiotic. 0:08:37.429 --> 0:08:37.750 Yes. 0:08:38.030 --> 0:08:38.310 All right. 0:08:38.650 --> 0:08:43.780 So I feel the need to appoint like a subcommittee, 0:08:44.179 --> 0:08:46.890 a couple of different subcommittees. Because we're looking at several 0:08:46.910 --> 0:08:51.599 different questions here. The first is the prospect of some 0:08:51.660 --> 0:08:57.200 sort of nightmarish AI apocalypse and preventing that. That's where 0:08:57.260 --> 0:09:00.620 the China thing comes into play. That's where I think 0:09:00.720 --> 0:09:03.580 this is a game maybe. 0:09:03.600 --> 0:09:08.380 Oh, God. of regulatory capture by the super giants. See, 0:09:08.750 --> 0:09:12.130 I have zero worry about the whole Bill Gates said 0:09:12.170 --> 0:09:14.770 over the weekend, it could kill a billion people or 0:09:15.429 --> 0:09:17.989 the claim that entropic in the hallways, they think it'll 0:09:18.010 --> 0:09:21.090 kill all human beings. I have zero concern that that 0:09:21.150 --> 0:09:25.780 is going to happen. I have tremendous concern that it 0:09:25.860 --> 0:09:27.760 is going to cause people to sit around and have 0:09:27.820 --> 0:09:32.100 nothing to do and cause social unrest. Unlike maybe anything 0:09:32.460 --> 0:09:35.010 ever seen in the United States. And rarely seen in 0:09:35.050 --> 0:09:35.690 world history. 0:09:36.230 --> 0:09:40.410 It will be the disease that reduces human populations by 0:09:40.450 --> 0:09:44.640 a staggering percentage. 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You get 60% off. Incogni.com slash armstrong. So 0:10:52.900 --> 0:10:56.800 very briefly, the doomsday scenario stuff, it seems more and 0:10:56.840 --> 0:10:58.800 more clear to me. And Andy Kessler is an absolutely 0:10:58.850 --> 0:11:02.569 terrific writer for the journal. He was talking about how 0:11:04.670 --> 0:11:06.750 he gives this great example of what the big companies 0:11:06.790 --> 0:11:09.309 are trying to do by whipping up some of the fear. 0:11:09.630 --> 0:11:11.650 Although, you know, I've got to put this over here. 0:11:11.830 --> 0:11:15.010 You know, some of the crazy stuff is not impossible. 0:11:15.670 --> 0:11:16.210 It's not. 0:11:16.870 --> 0:11:23.939 But right now, BMW and Mercedes in Europe have the 0:11:24.100 --> 0:11:28.209 ability to put in what they're calling level three self-driving. 0:11:30.050 --> 0:11:33.830 Read a book, watch TikToks, text a friend. Just if 0:11:33.890 --> 0:11:37.470 the thing says, please take over driving, you're there and 0:11:37.530 --> 0:11:38.230 can do that. 0:11:38.390 --> 0:11:41.340 So that would be a step beyond what Tesla has 0:11:41.410 --> 0:11:43.800 right now. Yeah, yeah, or so they say. 0:11:44.800 --> 0:11:47.760 For what it's worth, Waymo and robo-taxis are level four, 0:11:48.059 --> 0:11:49.380 completely driverless. 0:11:49.860 --> 0:11:52.040 And they don't even need somebody standing by. But anyway. 0:11:52.580 --> 0:11:55.179 So the big German automakers could go from level two 0:11:55.220 --> 0:11:58.699 to level three, but they realized if it's level two 0:11:58.820 --> 0:12:02.020 and there's a crash, that's on the driver. If it's 0:12:02.080 --> 0:12:05.939 level three and it crashes, that's probably on the company. Yeah, 0:12:05.960 --> 0:12:08.439 that's what I've been saying forever on the whole Tesla thing. 0:12:09.920 --> 0:12:12.800 I don't know if insurance companies or state governments or 0:12:12.860 --> 0:12:14.140 whatever are going to allow that. 0:12:14.679 --> 0:12:15.230 Right, right. 0:12:15.570 --> 0:12:18.069 So back to AI, Andy writes, with the recent hubbub 0:12:18.130 --> 0:12:21.429 about agents escaping containers and human extinction and guardrails and 0:12:22.280 --> 0:12:26.330 Dario Amadei's We Must Pace the Frontier. He writes, I 0:12:26.370 --> 0:12:29.329 advise ignoring the noise and filtering everything for the question, 0:12:29.730 --> 0:12:33.870 who's liable? And what these companies are trying to do 0:12:33.990 --> 0:12:36.630 is establish a framework brought to them by the government 0:12:36.690 --> 0:12:41.330 with their own guidance that says, listen, you follow rules A, B, 0:12:41.370 --> 0:12:45.050 and C, and we'll protect you from liability. Meanwhile, go crazy, 0:12:45.090 --> 0:12:48.829 go as fast as you can to beat China, but 0:12:49.540 --> 0:12:51.820 You know, with very, very limited liability. 0:12:53.160 --> 0:12:58.300 So instead of regulatory capture in the way that you're 0:12:58.340 --> 0:13:01.560 usually talking about it to keep competitors out, it's a 0:13:02.040 --> 0:13:04.870 we don't want to be responsible when this does this, 0:13:04.990 --> 0:13:05.590 this or this. 0:13:06.510 --> 0:13:06.870 Yeah. 0:13:07.010 --> 0:13:07.189 Yeah. 0:13:07.230 --> 0:13:10.590 It's liability protection. That makes sense. That makes sense. 0:13:12.940 --> 0:13:16.599 Then he says, I'm with NVIDIA CEO Jensen Huang on 0:13:16.660 --> 0:13:20.140 AI models. He said, if you're not confident in its functionality, capability, 0:13:20.179 --> 0:13:21.620 or safety, then don't release it. 0:13:22.040 --> 0:13:23.700 Yeah, I was talking to an engineer at a dinner 0:13:23.760 --> 0:13:26.900 the other night, raising money for the scouts, good cause. 0:13:28.490 --> 0:13:30.230 But I sit next to an engineer at the dinner, 0:13:30.250 --> 0:13:32.790 and he said, it's an engineering problem. I'm an engineer. 0:13:33.370 --> 0:13:36.450 If it's doing this, it's because they've got an engineering problem. 0:13:36.710 --> 0:13:39.430 The engineers should fix the problem. They will fix the problem, 0:13:39.470 --> 0:13:41.990 he said. Yeah, I agree. 0:13:42.270 --> 0:13:48.860 And speaking of of old Jensen, he's come up with 0:13:48.900 --> 0:13:50.900 a great idea. Brilliant idea. I want to get into 0:13:50.940 --> 0:13:54.020 that in the question of China coming up, because the 0:13:54.100 --> 0:13:55.080 Chinese topic. 0:13:55.520 --> 0:13:58.640 It's people throw it around. We need to work with China. 0:13:58.970 --> 0:14:01.630 Shut up. And we'll tell you why they need to 0:14:01.730 --> 0:14:05.109 shut up. How about the world's only trillionaire saying there's 0:14:05.150 --> 0:14:07.929 going to be great social unrest in the next year 0:14:08.030 --> 0:14:13.590 or two because of this product? That doesn't get attention. 0:14:13.850 --> 0:14:18.210 We'll cross that bridge when we're hanged on it. All right, 0:14:18.230 --> 0:14:18.569 stay tuned. 0:14:18.970 --> 0:14:23.090 Things are getting weird, and they're getting weird fast. Armstrong 0:14:23.250 --> 0:14:31.830 and Getty. The Armstrong and Getty Show. 0:14:34.160 --> 0:14:37.200 A white woman in Pennsylvania who is a teacher admitted 0:14:37.240 --> 0:14:40.440 that she's been lying for years about having Palestinian and 0:14:40.520 --> 0:14:44.400 black heritage. Also, she's not from Pennsylvania and she's not 0:14:44.440 --> 0:14:45.480 a woman and it's me. 0:14:49.220 --> 0:14:51.710 So Saturday Night Live opened with some sort of Trump 0:14:51.780 --> 0:14:54.330 sketch that I watched like 30 seconds of and flipped through. 0:14:55.750 --> 0:14:57.410 I don't know why this didn't occur to me before. 0:14:57.430 --> 0:15:03.470 The political things are never funny. The nonpolitical sketches and 0:15:03.510 --> 0:15:06.390 stuff are usually funny. I wish they would do more 0:15:06.410 --> 0:15:09.910 of those, which reminds me of because I've always liked 0:15:09.960 --> 0:15:12.200 sketch comedy going back to Monty Python. We haven't talked 0:15:12.240 --> 0:15:13.120 about John Cleese. 0:15:14.540 --> 0:15:14.900 Wow. 0:15:15.000 --> 0:15:17.880 Has he been on fire lately from Monty Python? If 0:15:17.920 --> 0:15:19.800 you don't know who he is from way back in 0:15:19.840 --> 0:15:23.270 the day. If you're over a certain age, he's everybody's 0:15:23.310 --> 0:15:27.750 comedy hero. He has really taken on radical Islam online 0:15:27.790 --> 0:15:31.190 and getting a tremendous amount of hate and pushback and 0:15:31.230 --> 0:15:34.430 threats for it. It's a pretty damned interesting story. Maybe 0:15:34.450 --> 0:15:35.310 we'll talk about that later. 0:15:35.770 --> 0:15:37.790 I would love to do that because one of his 0:15:37.910 --> 0:15:41.040 main allies in that battle is Elon Musk right now 0:15:41.500 --> 0:15:44.380 because Elon is going hard at the British system. 0:15:44.600 --> 0:15:45.060 It was funny. 0:15:45.380 --> 0:15:48.340 I thought the other day, I haven't really read Elon 0:15:48.400 --> 0:15:52.600 being very political lately. you know, his tweets and such. 0:15:52.660 --> 0:15:56.080 But part of it, he's so focused on Britain and 0:15:56.140 --> 0:16:00.320 Britain giving itself away to radical Islam. So, yeah, I'm 0:16:00.660 --> 0:16:02.950 happy to get into that topic. So a couple of 0:16:03.000 --> 0:16:05.750 AI things to talk about, one this segment, one probably 0:16:05.790 --> 0:16:09.930 next segment. But the first thing was another thing super 0:16:09.970 --> 0:16:12.910 smart Jensen Huang is doing, and he may be the 0:16:12.930 --> 0:16:15.650 smartest guy on Earth. He's certainly in your top, top, top, 0:16:15.690 --> 0:16:22.690 top tier. He just announced that NVIDIA makes the chips 0:16:22.770 --> 0:16:26.350 that everybody uses worldwide the best. Everybody wants them for 0:16:26.390 --> 0:16:29.630 their supercomputing computer centers. You build one of those big 0:16:29.670 --> 0:16:34.250 controversial data centers out on the outskirts of the suburbs 0:16:34.310 --> 0:16:36.350 and spend a zillion dollars and buy out all the farmers. 0:16:36.790 --> 0:16:42.600 You need boatloads of NVIDIA's chips, you know, if you 0:16:42.640 --> 0:16:46.140 want the good stuff. So, you know, the pushback against 0:16:46.520 --> 0:16:49.460 AI is getting out of the sandbox. Mostly the sandbox 0:16:49.480 --> 0:16:52.300 door is left open by incompetence. But anyway, so he's 0:16:52.340 --> 0:16:56.220 developed he's just announced they've launched a software platform to 0:16:56.280 --> 0:17:00.090 help developers test and deploy artificial intelligence agents and keep 0:17:00.130 --> 0:17:03.370 them in a secure environment. ramping up efforts to contain 0:17:03.410 --> 0:17:06.210 the technology following that string of rogue incidents we've been 0:17:06.230 --> 0:17:06.610 talking about. 0:17:06.690 --> 0:17:09.370 Wow, there's the free market at work. He's got this 0:17:09.410 --> 0:17:12.430 incredibly valuable company, and he doesn't want this whole AI 0:17:12.470 --> 0:17:15.410 thing to get thrown off track, so he's helping come 0:17:15.470 --> 0:17:17.900 up with a way to align these things. Exactly. 0:17:18.040 --> 0:17:21.100 In other words, the guy who sells gas pedals has 0:17:21.200 --> 0:17:24.179 realized the car's getting so powerful it's scaring people, so 0:17:24.220 --> 0:17:27.340 now he's developing brakes and saying, hey, look, here's some 0:17:27.380 --> 0:17:30.100 super effective brakes. Put those on your car so I 0:17:30.119 --> 0:17:33.570 can keep selling you gas pedals. So crazy, crazy smart. 0:17:34.090 --> 0:17:34.550 Yeah. 0:17:34.810 --> 0:17:38.090 Whether that'll work or not, I'm totally unqualified to weigh 0:17:38.170 --> 0:17:38.409 in on. 0:17:38.550 --> 0:17:41.750 And so is everyone else. That's the great thing about AI. 0:17:41.770 --> 0:17:44.550 You can say, you know, I'm not an expert. Nobody 0:17:44.730 --> 0:17:49.040 really is. Only experts are going around saying crazy ass. 0:17:49.800 --> 0:17:52.460 Speaking of which, the whole we've got to work with 0:17:52.600 --> 0:17:56.940 China angle is, oh man, in your personal life, make 0:17:56.960 --> 0:18:00.770 this pledge to us. Somebody says that, slap them, good 0:18:00.790 --> 0:18:03.710 and hard, right upside the head. Not a closed fist. 0:18:03.770 --> 0:18:05.389 You don't want to do any damage. This is a 0:18:05.430 --> 0:18:06.430 wake-up call slap. 0:18:07.170 --> 0:18:10.900 Barbaric. That's right. This is necessary. This is for your 0:18:10.960 --> 0:18:16.060 own good. Right, right. What is whack? You'll thank me later, 0:18:16.140 --> 0:18:16.639 trust me. 0:18:17.280 --> 0:18:19.560 And then you'll explain to them what we're about to 0:18:19.619 --> 0:18:22.340 explain to you in the next fascinating segment. 0:18:22.400 --> 0:18:23.820 I want to explain how I'm trying to be a 0:18:23.859 --> 0:18:27.390 better mom when I started today. Um, uh, that on 0:18:27.490 --> 0:18:29.300 later also, if you miss a segment, get the podcast 0:18:29.320 --> 0:18:31.040 Armstrong and get our Getty on demand. 0:18:32.580 --> 0:18:33.740 Armstrong and Getty. 0:18:38.040 --> 0:18:42.090 I can't say strongly enough how much society, not just 0:18:42.150 --> 0:18:49.570 the companies, but every academic think tank, voter policymaker need 0:18:49.590 --> 0:18:52.990 to really engage on how we want to shape this technology. Um, 0:18:54.619 --> 0:18:59.980 There's no such thing as being too focused on accelerating 0:19:00.580 --> 0:19:07.550 the good potential and minimizing some truly horrific bad things 0:19:07.750 --> 0:19:08.830 that could happen. 0:19:09.790 --> 0:19:11.710 That's Bill Gates over the weekend. Don't you have an 0:19:11.910 --> 0:19:14.810 island to visit or something? Bill Gates talking about AI. 0:19:16.730 --> 0:19:20.420 And of course, all the attention is going to, he said, 0:19:20.440 --> 0:19:23.379 AI could be powerful enough to cause a billion deaths. 0:19:24.000 --> 0:19:27.620 And we're such a stupid beast. That's the only thing 0:19:27.660 --> 0:19:30.640 people talk about. It's like the Hitler thing. If you 0:19:30.660 --> 0:19:33.640 compare somebody to Hitler, it becomes a discussion of whether 0:19:33.660 --> 0:19:38.860 or not they are exactly like Hitler and all kinds of... Also, really, 0:19:38.980 --> 0:19:43.810 really awful things get ignored because you're disgusting. They committed 0:19:43.880 --> 0:19:47.810 slightly fewer horrors than Hitler. That doesn't make them good. 0:19:48.090 --> 0:19:48.369 Right. 0:19:48.430 --> 0:19:52.540 And so the... whether it'll cause a billion deaths okay 0:19:52.840 --> 0:19:55.879 but it's everybody seems to be on board with the 0:19:55.900 --> 0:19:57.020 fact that it's going to be one of the most 0:19:57.080 --> 0:20:01.240 disruptive things that's ever happened in human history when we 0:20:01.280 --> 0:20:03.300 discuss that like grown-ups. 0:20:03.380 --> 0:20:08.240 Right right It's probably worth observing for newer listeners. A 0:20:08.300 --> 0:20:10.600 number of years ago, we decided that there were too 0:20:10.619 --> 0:20:14.260 many gratuitous references to Hitler in the world, including on 0:20:14.300 --> 0:20:17.080 the show, and that we would play the Hitler ding, 0:20:17.119 --> 0:20:18.960 as it's come to be called. 0:20:18.980 --> 0:20:21.810 To alert us. Yeah, to make sure that it doesn't 0:20:21.850 --> 0:20:27.149 become a habit. Hasn't worked. At all. It's a decent. 0:20:27.170 --> 0:20:30.010 Well, for the purposes of this discussion, I would argue 0:20:30.070 --> 0:20:31.530 that it's, well, borderline. 0:20:32.390 --> 0:20:34.550 But Bill Gates's point there was we need to be really, 0:20:34.609 --> 0:20:37.730 really focused on alignment everywhere to try to make this work. 0:20:37.790 --> 0:20:41.639 And you're about to tell us that that's pointless. Yes, indeed. 0:20:42.040 --> 0:20:45.580 As I put it earlier, to count on cooperating with 0:20:45.680 --> 0:20:49.620 China to, you know, usher us into the safe new 0:20:49.680 --> 0:20:52.560 world is like basing your retirement plans on finding a 0:20:52.600 --> 0:20:53.240 talking duck. 0:20:53.770 --> 0:20:56.470 It's an impossibility, an idiotic to even consider. 0:20:57.290 --> 0:21:02.500 So a couple of different gray piece journalism, one describing 0:21:02.600 --> 0:21:07.300 how Trump and Xi Jinping were talking about AI at 0:21:07.320 --> 0:21:09.040 their summit meeting, which. 0:21:10.460 --> 0:21:11.920 Did anything come of that? Not much. 0:21:12.619 --> 0:21:18.440 Anyway, in the U.S., the discussions have centered on guarding 0:21:18.500 --> 0:21:21.720 against a powerful model that slips beyond human control, right? 0:21:22.320 --> 0:21:25.800 like an autonomous weapon that acts on its own, a 0:21:25.880 --> 0:21:29.040 tool potent enough to help a rogue actor build a weapon, 0:21:29.060 --> 0:21:34.560 a bioweapon, that sort of thing. In China, all of 0:21:34.619 --> 0:21:37.619 their concerns are about the threats it poses to the 0:21:37.680 --> 0:21:42.119 political order with the Communist Party sitting on top. And 0:21:42.290 --> 0:21:48.169 so for the two parties to get together and discuss it, 0:21:48.270 --> 0:21:53.000 it's fanciful. Like, last week, I think it was, China's 0:21:53.060 --> 0:21:55.680 minister of state security laid out the government's view of 0:21:55.780 --> 0:21:59.050 AI risk in a party publication, which leaked, or we 0:21:59.070 --> 0:22:01.270 got all of it. Anyway, the first danger he named 0:22:01.310 --> 0:22:04.530 wasn't to humanity, but to the state. AI, he warned, 0:22:04.550 --> 0:22:09.230 could systematically affect the political security environment, giving hostile forces 0:22:09.270 --> 0:22:13.950 the means to mass-produce rumors, wage cognitive warfare, and stir unrest. 0:22:14.340 --> 0:22:16.500 In other words, let people know that, you know, you 0:22:16.520 --> 0:22:18.500