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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Howard Jarvis Radio Show. I'm Susan Shelley

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Speaker 1: with the Howard Jarvis Taxpayers Association, the organization that is

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Speaker 1: fighting for you in the legislature, in the courts, on

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Speaker 1: the ballot, and right here on KSFO and KABC live

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Speaker 1: throughout California. You can call us at one eight hundred

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Speaker 1: two two two five two two two, happy to take

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Speaker 1: your questions and happy to welcome you as a member

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Speaker 1: of the Howard Jarvis Taxpayers Association. If you're not already,

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Speaker 1: why not just go to HJATA dot org, click that

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Speaker 1: little button that says join and be a member. Strengthen

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Speaker 1: your voice in the state of California, because your voice

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Speaker 1: is needed in this state. It's an election year. There's

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Speaker 1: a lot going on. We will be keeping you up

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Speaker 1: to date on everything that's happening through this primary and

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Speaker 1: general election season, and as we get closer to November,

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Speaker 1: with the ballot measures that are going to be so confusing,

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Speaker 1: we're here to sort it all out for you. Eight

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Speaker 1: And I'm so pleased to be joined today by Scott Kaufman,

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Speaker 1: our Legislative director, sitting in today for HJTA President John Coopl. Hi, Scott,

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Speaker 1: how are you.

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Speaker 2: I'm wonderful, Susan, how are you.

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Speaker 1: I'm wonderful too, and you're wonderful. I have to say.

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Speaker 1: Scott does a great job fighting for you in the Capitol.

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Speaker 1: He is out there at these hearings looking through these bills,

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Speaker 1: these different kinds of things that are going to wind

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Speaker 1: up raising your taxes if they're not stopped. He's the

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Speaker 1: guy who shows up to say, best not to do this,

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Speaker 1: because we're going to tell our members that you voted

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Speaker 1: And that's the secret of the success of the Howard

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Speaker 1: Jarvis Taxpayers Association. Your voice and your strength and your

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Speaker 1: signature on petitions. That's what makes it work. Because all

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Speaker 1: of these people have their names on a ballot every

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Speaker 1: two years in the Assembly, every four years in the Senate.

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Speaker 1: And they don't like angry constituents, they don't like angry voters.

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Speaker 1: But sometimes they do things that make everybody angry. And

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Speaker 1: then sometimes we have courts that do things that make

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Speaker 1: everybody angry. And that's our story today about measure ula

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Speaker 1: and transfer taxes in California. You know, real estate transfer

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Speaker 1: taxes were prohibited by Prop. Thirteen in nineteen seventy eight.

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Speaker 1: It's still in the Constitution article section Article thirteen a

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Speaker 1: Section four. There is a prohibition on real estate transfer taxes,

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Speaker 1: but the courts have allowed them. And then we had

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Speaker 1: another court decision that allowed all kinds of tax increases

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Speaker 1: to evade the Constitution if they were put on the

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Speaker 1: ballot by a citizen's initiative. And that's what Measure ula

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Speaker 1: was a mansion tax, except not just on mansions, also

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Speaker 1: on any property above five million dollars, which included apartment

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Speaker 1: office buildings, everything. Anything above five million dollars hit with

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Speaker 1: a four percent tax upon the sale of the property,

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Speaker 1: and above ten million dollars a five and a half

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Speaker 1: percent tax on the sale price. Whether it was a

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Speaker 1: capital gain or a total loss, whether people were underwater

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Speaker 1: didn't matter, whether they were in foreclosure didn't matter. A

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Speaker 1: tax on the sale price. And we fought that and

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Speaker 1: Scott tell us how that lawsuit worked out.

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Speaker 2: Who you know, we took it to the UH. We

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Speaker 2: took it all the way to the state Supreme Court.

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Speaker 2: I guess they decided not to hear it. But they

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Speaker 2: they said they they made it even, they made the

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Speaker 2: whole even bigger, right, Susan, I mean.

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Speaker 1: They just the appellate courts in this state have just

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Speaker 1: they're against it, which is odd because it's right there

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Speaker 1: in the constitution. So what are we doing about it.

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Speaker 1: We just turned in one point three million signatures on

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Speaker 1: a new initiative to close these loopholes, to say we

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Speaker 1: really mean it when we say no transfer taxes. We

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Speaker 1: the ballot by a citizen's initiative. So measure ula the

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Speaker 1: mansion tax was put on the ballot by groups that

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Speaker 1: else they had on their list of things to do.

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Speaker 1: which means that property turnover is down, which means that

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Speaker 1: reassessments of these properties are not happening. So that constrains

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so won people that, well, the people that do

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Speaker 2: these things are telling us that, right, Susan. They're saying

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Speaker 2: They can't get loans because when they're getting loans to

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Speaker 1: They don't build, right, and if they don't build, then

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Speaker 1: you don't get the housing, which was the point of

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Speaker 1: but of course they would have to go back on

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Speaker 1: have to go back to the voters. So they've got

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Speaker 1: mansion tax to carve things out for housing developers. However,

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Speaker 1: going to flat out repeal Measure u LA. What our

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Speaker 1: same way they're banned in the current state constitution. We're

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Speaker 1: existing transfer taxes that have been added since nineteen seventy eight.

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Speaker 1: We're going to sunset them two years after voter approval

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Speaker 1: of the measure. That's what it does. So for anyone

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Speaker 1: then we have polling that shows this is definitely going

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Speaker 1: to pass because people want to protect Prop thirteen and

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Speaker 1: not make it easier to raise your taxes. So help

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Speaker 1: is on the way. We have a call, let's talk

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Speaker 3: Yes, hi, thank you for picking my call. My thing

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Speaker 3: is I have volunteered and helped Howard Jovis Taxpayers collect

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Speaker 3: couple of years, like one of the one repealed the

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Speaker 3: death tax Prop nineteen, there's a new way of getting

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Speaker 3: the forms was print at home. But that petition print

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Speaker 3: not have working printers at home. And I just want

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Speaker 3: to comment that we need more volunteer support from Howard

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Speaker 3: Jovis Taxpayer's Association. Like the first campaign of collecting signatures

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Speaker 3: for fixed Prop nineteen that you have to pick up

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Speaker 3: drop off points, that one would be very helpful. If

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Speaker 3: you could combine that with the print at home petition,

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Speaker 3: then we could succeed in getting the signatures.

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Speaker 1: Well, thank you very much for the call. We appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: It's very challenging to get the signatures anyway you do it,

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Speaker 1: it's very challenging to get enough signatures within the tight

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Speaker 1: time period that the law allows. And we had a

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Speaker 1: big coalition working on this Protect Prop thirteen, Save Prop

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Speaker 1: Local Taxpayer Protection Act to Save Prop thirteen, and that

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Speaker 1: has been the focus this year of the Howard Jervis

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Speaker 1: Taxpayers Association. We certainly know the pain that's been caused

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Speaker 1: by Proposition nineteen changes to inherited property. We certainly are

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Speaker 1: aware of that, and we would like to fix it.

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Speaker 1: We couldn't do it this year, and I know that

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Speaker 1: there are volunteers who are working on it and we

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Speaker 1: wish them well. We have a limited amount of resources

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Speaker 1: and we are focused on the Save Prop thirteen initiative.

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Speaker 1: You know, Scott, If we lose Prop thirteen, we lose.

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Speaker 4: All of it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, then then it doesn't matter because there's nothing to

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Speaker 2: inherit right.

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Speaker 1: Everybody gets reassessed all the time anyway, So we have

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Speaker 1: to make sure that we protect the foundation of taxpayer

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Speaker 1: rights in California, which is Prop thirteen. A lot of

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Speaker 1: people aren't aware of how it works. It passed in

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Speaker 1: nineteen seventy eight, but it doesn't just cover property that

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Speaker 1: you owned in nineteen seventy eight. You don't have to

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Speaker 1: have owned a house in nineteen seventy eight to qualify

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Speaker 1: for its protection. Every property in California, every property that's taxable,

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Speaker 1: is protected by Prop. Thirteen. And the way it works

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Speaker 1: is the fair market value at the time that the

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Speaker 1: base year for your future assessments, and then every year

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Speaker 1: that you own that property, your assessed value goes up

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Speaker 1: with inflation, but it is capped at two percent, So

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Speaker 1: better it is, and eventually you wind up with a

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Speaker 1: the same base year value if you do remodeling. Only

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Speaker 1: the remodeling is assessed at current market value, not the

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Speaker 1: whole property. So it is a lot of protection no

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Speaker 1: matter when you buy your property. And Prop thirteen cut

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Speaker 1: So even if you bought your house yesterday, Proposition thirteen

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Speaker 1: is saving you money. And then Prop thirteen had these

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Speaker 1: other protections in it because Howard Jarvis, who was the

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Speaker 1: power behind it. Howard Jarvis knew that if property tax

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Speaker 1: growth was capped, the same politicians would come after the

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Speaker 1: same people for the same money another way. And that's

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Speaker 1: why it prohibits transfer taxes. It prohibits additional advolorum taxes,

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Speaker 1: like a second property tax from your local government. That's prohibited.

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Speaker 1: And all local taxes have to go on the ballot

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Speaker 1: for voter approval. Special taxes where the money is earmarked

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Speaker 1: need a two thirds vote, and except for these court decisions,

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Speaker 1: that would still be the law. So we're very frustrated

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Speaker 1: with the courts. We think I think we've got a

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Speaker 1: problem in that they are not following the constitution. Everybody

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Speaker 1: takes an oath to follow the Constitution, and then they don't,

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Speaker 1: so we have to do something about that. The main

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Speaker 1: thing we're going to do is tell the voters what's

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Speaker 1: up with this, so that they understand we're putting back

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Speaker 1: what's already in the constitution. It's really very simple, wouldn't you.

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Speaker 2: Say, one would hope, And as you said, it polls

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Speaker 2: really well. The voters like making it harder to raise

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Speaker 2: We're just putting it to the way it was for

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Speaker 2: forty five years. Everyone seemed to agree that this was

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Speaker 2: the law of the land for forty five years, and

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Speaker 2: because you know, to your point, Howard Jarvis' concern was

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Speaker 1: It's very concerning. This idea that a citizen's initiative tax

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Speaker 1: We're not messing around here. The Constitution means the consent

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Speaker 1: If we erase the consent of the government, that what

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Speaker 1: throwing tea in the harbor. You're listening to the Howard

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Speaker 1: Taxpayers Association here with Legislative Director Scott Kaufman, and we're

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Speaker 2: I bet I know, But go ahead, Susan, it's Prop thirteen.

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Speaker 2: They all imagine that.

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Speaker 1: Imagine that, Well, the governor didn't mention it. It's Prop thirteen.

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Speaker 1: Because they count the property taxes that they impute to

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Speaker 1: And that's how the trick is done. Because our other taxes, Oh, Scott,

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Speaker 1: go through the list. Our other taxes are not low all.

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Speaker 2: We have the highest single individual income tax bracket. We

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Speaker 2: have the highest state sales tax, We have the highest

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Speaker 2: one of the highest gas taxes in the country. I

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Speaker 2: You know, it's funny though you mentioned that Newsom likes

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Speaker 2: Newsome supported Prop fifteen and twenty twenty that would have

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Speaker 1: Well, let's talk about split roll because there's a candidate

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Speaker 2: You want to segue, you're up.

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Speaker 1: I practiced. I practiced all day on that. We have

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Speaker 1: thirteen's protections for commercial property. Now. Prop fifteen was in

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Speaker 1: That was Proposition eight in June of nineteen seventy eight,

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Speaker 1: and voters said no. It would have allowed a split roll.

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Speaker 1: And a split roll means that certain kinds of property

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Speaker 1: it's not really a great economic plan to say, let's

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Speaker 2: Well, he's not only doing that, he's calling it the

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Speaker 2: Even if you don't like Prop thirteen, because there are

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Speaker 2: feel like that alone is enough, you know, just like,

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Speaker 2: don't lie to me. You can have a position, you

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Speaker 2: can have it, we can have different opinions, but don't

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Speaker 2: But don't don't let them deceive you.

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Speaker 4: It's right.

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Speaker 1: It has nothing to do with Trump. Trump owns commercial

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, so they had a hearing on I don't

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Speaker 2: reassessed to market value. Right, so when if you sold

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Speaker 2: so on. That's easy to do when it's names coming

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Speaker 2: It doesn't change, you know, fifty percent doesn't change all

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Speaker 2: But they had this hearing to talk about it, and

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Speaker 1: That's right. Senator pat Bates Retired Senator Patricia Bates, who's

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Speaker 1: The legislature did it, and something else the legislature did,

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Speaker 2: Eight eight AB eight AB simply.

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Speaker 2: Well, Yeah, the way it worked before Prop thirteen is

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Speaker 5: Well.

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Speaker 2: Prop thirteen made it one percent. So how do you

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Speaker 2: Prop thirteen says as allocated by law, which means the

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Speaker 2: So in nineteen seventy nine they did Assembly Bill eight,

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Speaker 2: fix it any time they want, but they like to

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Speaker 2: blame it on Prop. Thirteen. They also like to toy

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Speaker 2: with it so they can move money to the schools,

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Speaker 2: so they don't have to give money to the schools

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Speaker 2: through Prop ninety eight because there's a minimum guarantee in

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Speaker 2: this in the state for school funding and it's just

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Speaker 2: a mess. And when you get right down to it,

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Speaker 2: ninety nine percent of the criticisms we see of Prop

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Speaker 2: thirteen are actually these legislatively created issues that they could

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Speaker 2: fix tomorrow, but they love but it's the only thing

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Speaker 2: they have to blame blame on Prop thirteen, so that's

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Speaker 2: what they do.

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Speaker 1: So we are here to be Prop thirteen's bodyguards and

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Speaker 1: your bodyguards against taxi increases. We're the Howard Jarvis Taxpayers

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Speaker 1: Association HJTA dot org is where you can join and

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Howard Jarvis Radio Show. I'm Susan

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Speaker 1: Shelley with the Howard Jarvis Taxpayers Association, the most influential

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Speaker 1: taxpayer advocacy group in California, fighting for you in the courts,

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Speaker 1: card for everyone you've voted for throughout the states. You'll

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Speaker 1: get the legislative report Card, and you can take it

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Speaker 1: out and you can put it on the refrigerator and

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Speaker 1: you can save it till election day and vote out

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Speaker 1: the people who don't vote your interests. This is really important.

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Speaker 1: So many people don't pay attention to local government or

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Speaker 1: to state races. They pay attention to national politics. National

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Speaker 1: politics is certainly important, but when it comes to how

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Speaker 1: much you're paying in taxes California, races matter a lot

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Speaker 1: at the city level, at the county level, at the

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Speaker 1: state level. And you know you're busy. You don't want

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Speaker 1: to spend all your time reading up on this stuff.

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Speaker 1: for the free email alerts at HJTA dot org. Get

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Speaker 1: on our list, listen to these shows if you miss

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Speaker 1: the radio show, you can always catch the podcast, which

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Speaker 1: is at HJTA dot org or wherever you get your podcasts,

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Speaker 1: just look for the Howard Jarvis Radio Show and you

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Speaker 1: will find us. It's really great to have so many

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Speaker 1: wonderful members of this organization that when we send out

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Speaker 1: a letter saying please sign this petition, people do and

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Speaker 1: they come back by the box load. And that's how

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Speaker 1: we were able to qualify the Save Prop thirteen initiative

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Speaker 1: for this November's ballot, or I should say probably qualified

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Speaker 1: because signatures are still being verified at the county level,

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Speaker 1: but we are absolutely working on it. And everything that's

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Speaker 1: going on in California is going in the wrong direction

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Speaker 1: on taxes, so we need your help to strengthen this organization.

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Speaker 1: We're at eight hundred two two two five to two

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Speaker 1: two eight hundred two two two five to two two.

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Speaker 1: So Scott tell me about this billionaire tax. It's out

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Speaker 1: for signatures and to get on the ballot by November.

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Speaker 1: They're going to have to turn in their signatures by

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Speaker 1: April seventeenth. That's the that's the timeline for the Secretary

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Speaker 1: of State to get all the counties to verify it.

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Speaker 1: And send the information up there. So how's it looking

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Speaker 1: and how is it affecting California even before it gets

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Speaker 1: on the ballot.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, there's rumors now that it the swirling that

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Speaker 2: it may not qualify. You know, they're not collecting signatures.

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Speaker 2: I think as fast as they need to. They hit

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Speaker 2: their twenty five percent only like late last month, if

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Speaker 2: I'm remembering correctly, Susan and so a lot of people

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Speaker 2: are you know, at that rate of collection. Are they

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Speaker 2: doing it fast enough? I mean, this is SCIU and

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Speaker 2: all those kind of groups that are very powerful, and

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Speaker 2: I think if they really wanted to put the money

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Speaker 2: into it, they could get it done. But they don't

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Speaker 2: seem to be acting with a sense of urgency, which

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Speaker 2: kind of confuses me, which makes me wonder if this

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Speaker 2: is really just some kind of ploy to get something

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Speaker 2: out of the legislature. But what it would do is

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Speaker 2: create a five Is it it's five percent? Is it

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Speaker 2: a five percent? It's a one time five percent wealth

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Speaker 2: tax on billionaires and it's on tangible and intangible wealth.

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Speaker 2: Which what does that mean? We don't know, good question.

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Speaker 1: I guess the Franchise Tax Board would be in charge

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Speaker 1: of figuring out how to do this. I can't even

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Speaker 1: imagine that that agency could assess the global wealth of

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Speaker 1: everyone with a billion dollars in income or assets. I

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Speaker 1: don't even know what it's based on. But it doesn't

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Speaker 1: seem like a very practical proposal, even if you support

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Speaker 1: it in principle, it doesn't seem like a very practical

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Speaker 1: proposal to do that at the state level.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it you know, is it attax on the

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Speaker 2: unrealized gains in your stock portfolio? Is it? Is it

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Speaker 2: a tax on the unrealized gains in your on your property?

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Speaker 5: You know?

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Speaker 2: I think the AG's title in summary says that it

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Speaker 2: doesn't affect property, But as we know, in this state,

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Speaker 2: we're just one bad court decision away from it including

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Speaker 2: your property. So that's the truth. Give it time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, speaking of time, there was a

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Speaker 1: time limit on when this was going to start. If

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Speaker 1: you were in the state of California on January first

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Speaker 1: of this year, it applied to you potentially, So guess

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Speaker 1: what happened in December up and out. A lot of

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Speaker 1: California billionaires are now Texas billionaires and Florida billionaires and

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Speaker 1: billionaires in other places because they don't want to have

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Speaker 1: five percent of their assets confiscated by the state of California.

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Speaker 1: And I think the state was going to be very

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Speaker 1: nice about it. They were going to give you five

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Speaker 1: years to pay your your wealth tax. But if you

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Speaker 1: did take five years, there'd be extra charges and fees

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Speaker 1: associated with that. What a bunch of You can't even

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Speaker 1: say the words on the air with these people having

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Speaker 1: program this is a family program. You just can't do it.

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Speaker 1: But that's the spirit of the thing. They're just trying

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Speaker 1: to take people's money and they don't have any understanding

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Speaker 1: or care that when the incomes leave the state, the

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Speaker 1: income tax from those incomes stops. And that's I think

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Speaker 1: the real problem with proposals like this and with the

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Speaker 1: split roll proposal. Once you put that out there, people

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Speaker 1: start to assess whether it's likely to happen, what it's

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Speaker 1: going to cost them if it does happen, and then

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Speaker 1: they leave. Businesses don't arrive in California, they don't start

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Speaker 1: up and then look down the road and think, well,

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Speaker 1: all of our property is going to be reassessed to

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Speaker 1: market value, will never be profitable in California. Let's go

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Speaker 1: somewhere else. So even though these proposals are not yet law,

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Speaker 1: they're already hurting the revenue for the state and the

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Speaker 1: billionaire's tax. When someone like Elon Musk leaves and takes

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Speaker 1: his businesses and all those salaries to another state, California

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Speaker 1: doesn't get the revenue from those incomes from the income

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Speaker 1: tax paid by those high incomes. And we have a

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Speaker 1: very progressive income tax structure, meaning the highest incomes pay

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Speaker 1: the highest tax rate. They don't because they're going to

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Speaker 1: states like Florida and Texas where there's no income tax

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Speaker 1: at all. And why wouldn't they?

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Speaker 2: You know, I just saw a City Journal article that said,

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Speaker 2: by the time California voters weigh on on the billionaire

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Speaker 2: tax this fall, much of the wealth it was designed

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Speaker 2: to capture may already be gone. You know, to your point,

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Speaker 2: one percent pays something like forty nine percent of the

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Speaker 2: income taxes in this state. And so let's say this

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Speaker 2: thing passes and then they don't collect the money they

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Speaker 2: said they were going to collect. Well, I can already

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Speaker 2: see it, Susan, I'm the great Karnak here. There's going

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Speaker 2: to be a ballot initiative in twenty twenty eight to

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Speaker 2: make it a millionaire's tax. Well, it's lower to people

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Speaker 2: who make a million, and then they'll all leave, and

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Speaker 2: then it'll be down to people who make one hundred thousand,

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Speaker 2: and suddenly it'll be all of us. The federal income

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Speaker 2: tax was only on like a couple hundred people when

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Speaker 2: it was first implemented. Now we all pay it. And

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Speaker 2: I'd also say to you know a lot of people

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Speaker 2: who are just saying, well, I'm just gonna you know,

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Speaker 2: the billionaires and all these other people who are just

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Speaker 2: like I'm just I'm leaving. I've had enough, I'm leaving.

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Speaker 2: You have to stay. You have to fight, because California's

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Speaker 2: bad ideas today are your bad ideas tomorrow. You know,

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Speaker 2: the like the low carbon fuel standards and kind of

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Speaker 2: all those sorts of things cap and trade or captain

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Speaker 2: invests they call it. You know, we invented that here.

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Speaker 2: Other states are now doing it. They're they're doing things

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Speaker 2: like overpaid CEO taxes in San Francisco and Los Angeles

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Speaker 2: where the ce where the billionairesn't even have to live here,

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Speaker 2: you do business in the city, they're going to tax you.

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Speaker 2: You know, they will find a way to get that money,

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Speaker 2: whether it's from them, or US or anybody. We have

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Speaker 2: to stop it here we do.

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Speaker 1: And one thing about these CEO taxes is they're being

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Speaker 1: pushed as citizen initiative tax increases. So even if if

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Speaker 1: you could influence your elected officials to see the light

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Speaker 1: and say, well, this is only going to drive business in,

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Speaker 1: jobs and income out of the state, it doesn't matter

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Speaker 1: because special interest groups can say, you know, we'd really

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Speaker 1: like to have a higher contract for this, for that,

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Speaker 1: for whatever, and we're going to get it by going

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Speaker 1: after CEOs or companies that overpay their CEOs because quote,

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Speaker 1: they've got plenty of money. So now you've got these

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Speaker 1: random groups that are writing these tax increases, collecting the

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Speaker 1: signatures to put them on the ballot, and they evade

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Speaker 1: the two thirds vote, and the next thing you know,

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Speaker 1: you've driven all the businesses out of California. And people

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Speaker 1: can't find work. And this is a problem in California.

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Speaker 1: We have a high unemployment rate, we have a very

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Speaker 1: high poverty rate. I think a lot of people don't

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Speaker 1: even know that more than one third of the state

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Speaker 1: population is on medical which is the safety net health

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Speaker 1: insurance program for low income people. More than one third

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Speaker 1: fourteen and a half million Californians are on medical that's

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Speaker 1: according to the Legislative Analyst's Office. That's a real number.

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Speaker 1: And this is a problem because people get out of school,

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Speaker 1: they look for a job, they wind up in another state.

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Speaker 1: And the affordability of housing is also affected by the

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Speaker 1: fact that salaries aren't high enough because there aren't enough

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Speaker 1: jobs here. So what are we doing. We're driving out

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Speaker 1: the job creators and that is never going to be

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Speaker 1: a good strategy in California. Let's take some calls. Let's

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Speaker 1: talk to John in Lamarada.

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Speaker 6: Hi, John, Hey, Hi, how you doing. I'm calling because

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Speaker 6: I got my letter in the mail from La County

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Speaker 6: Fire informing me that my sixth sense per square foot

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Speaker 6: will be added next year. I was so surprised that

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Speaker 6: the fire people had to send it to me, given

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Speaker 6: that we voted for it on Measure M. I under

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Speaker 6: your opinion, because this is an add on property tax.

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Speaker 1: Yes, this is a you know, why did I think

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Speaker 1: it was Measure E or a different number than Measure M. Well,

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Speaker 1: whatever it is. It's coming from the county Fire district, right,

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Speaker 1: it's not coming from the county itself. But these are

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Speaker 1: all added typically to your property tax bill, and the

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Speaker 1: county collects them on your property tax bill. Thank you

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Speaker 1: very much for the call. We appreciate it. Let's talk

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Speaker 1: to Patrick in Laguna Hills.

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Speaker 5: Hi.

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Speaker 7: Patrick, Hi, Susan.

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Speaker 5: I just want to ask please don't forget about Prop nineteen.

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Speaker 5: I raised signatures for both efforts you made as well

651
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:41,320
Speaker 5: as for the most recent one, and I'm proud of

652
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 5: doing that. But Prop nineteen I'm passionate about and I

653
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 5: really hope that after this, well, this latest vote, that

654
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 5: you can get back to Prop nineteen really well.

655
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Speaker 1: Thank you for the call. We are certainly in sympathy

656
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 1: with you on that. We will do what we can do.

657
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:05,760
Speaker 1: It's very difficult, and I'm really hoping that what happens

658
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 1: now is what happened in nineteen eighty six, which is

659
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 1: the legislature feels the heat from people who are suffering

660
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 1: under this and puts the initiative the measure to fix

661
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 1: Prop nineteen on the ballot as a legislative constitutional amendment,

662
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:22,359
Speaker 1: which they can do right now with a two thirds

663
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 1: vote in each house. They have time to put it

664
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Speaker 1: on the June ballot. I believe not June, then certainly November.

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00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:31,360
Speaker 2: And I will say the mood certainly seems to be

666
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 2: changed in the legislature. I'm not saying that they're getting

667
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,839
Speaker 2: ready to repeal Prop nineteen or anything, but the mood

668
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:41,840
Speaker 2: to do something seems to be increasing. And you know,

669
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,320
Speaker 2: the firefighters who are supposed to get money from this

670
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 2: and have gotten nothing, they're kind of holding out because

671
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 2: this formula changes next year about how this money's out allocated.

672
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 2: I don't think they're going to get any money next

673
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 2: year either, and if they don't, then they're not getting

674
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 2: any money. I don't see how that changes after this,

675
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 2: after the formula changes next year. So I think next

676
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 2: year could really be an interesting year in the legislature

677
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 2: if it really turns out that they're not getting anything

678
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 2: from this, because they've really been the gatekeepers and the

679
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 2: legislature about this, and so I'm hoping that that will

680
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 2: prove to be beneficial to us. You know, I'm constantly

681
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 2: doing stuff in the legislature to try and make Prop

682
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,320
Speaker 2: nineteen not hurt so bad. You know, we did we

683
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:27,840
Speaker 2: did a nursing home protection for for folks whose parents

684
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:29,919
Speaker 2: were living in a nursing home and they were getting

685
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:32,240
Speaker 2: bills from the assessors saying, oh it wasn't their primary residence.

686
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 2: We're going to reassess you. You know, we got a

687
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 2: bill passed on that. We're working on a bill right

688
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 2: now to deal with probate. We're working on a bill

689
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 2: right now to deal with disabled children that are living

690
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:42,800
Speaker 2: in the house but may not be on the title.

691
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 2: You know, we're working on a bill to try and

692
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 2: get a sibling transfer because we've gotten a lot of

693
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:49,400
Speaker 2: calls from people saying, you know, my brother and I

694
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 2: inherited this property. I want to keep, but he wants

695
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 2: to sell it. I'd love to buy him out and

696
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 2: get him off the title, but I can't because it

697
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,359
Speaker 2: would trigger reassessment because it's change of ownership. We're trying

698
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 2: to get something done there. I know the assess users

699
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,399
Speaker 2: would really like to turn the one year into three years,

700
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:04,359
Speaker 2: get people three years to kind of figure it out,

701
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 2: which I think that would probably require going on the ballot.

702
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 2: But you know, if the assessor, if the assessors have

703
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 2: our back, that might be something worth looking into. There's

704
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 2: a lot of options here that we're going to see

705
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 2: what we can do, because we I'm constantly thinking about this.

706
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:20,800
Speaker 2: It's like my number one thing in the legislature. Is

707
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 2: trying to do something about this, and you've.

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00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 1: Done a lot and it's been great work. But it's

709
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 1: true that in nineteen eighty six this was created, the

710
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 1: parent child Transfer exclusion was created by the legislature and

711
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 1: they passed it unanimously in both houses, and it went

712
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 1: on the ballot and it passed with seventy five percent

713
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:39,799
Speaker 1: of the vote. That was nineteen eighty six. It was Prop.

714
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:44,360
Speaker 1: Fifty eight. And now it's gone. And so you know,

715
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 1: this happened in twenty twenty in the middle of the pandemic,

716
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 1: and it took effect very quickly, and it was a

717
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 1: very close vote. And it keeps me up at night.

718
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 1: I have to tell you. It's like a dropped fly

719
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:57,439
Speaker 1: ball in the World Series in the ninth inning. It'll

720
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:00,120
Speaker 1: keep you up at night. But it's a very very

721
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 1: difficult thing to fix. We've not given up on it.

722
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Speaker 1: And thank you for your call, and thank you for

723
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 1: all your hard work to collect signatures with us when

724
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:08,800
Speaker 1: we were working on that the first two tries. We

725
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:13,279
Speaker 1: really appreciate you. Let's take a call from Frank in Hawthorne. Hi, Frank,

726
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 1: Hi there.

727
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:19,479
Speaker 4: I'm sorry I did not kid earlier on the call,

728
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,320
Speaker 4: but I was wondering if you talked about the potential

729
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:26,720
Speaker 4: of having the exemption for homeowners over sixty. I understand

730
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 4: that the Secretary of State has announced that a proposed

731
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 4: initiative has entered into circulation, and I'd certainly be interested

732
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,360
Speaker 4: in seeing if we can get up to get behind that.

733
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Speaker 4: Are you familiar with that?

734
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Speaker 1: We are familiar with that. That's from a candidate who

735
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 1: is running for assessor in which county is It's got

736
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 1: someplace up in your area.

737
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 2: Believe it's Santa Clara.

738
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 1: I'm not sure county. I think so. And there's a

739
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 1: November election, I think, or an upcoming election. There's a runoff,

740
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 1: a runoff, and one of the candidates did introduce this.

741
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 1: You know, we support obviously, we support controls and limits

742
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 1: on property taxes, and we support Prop thirteen, which is

743
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:11,239
Speaker 1: a tremendous assistance to people who are older homeowners. So

744
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 1: to change everything around and put Prop thirteen at risk,

745
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,840
Speaker 1: I don't know if that would be beneficial overall to

746
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,359
Speaker 1: the state of California, But there are things that can

747
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 1: be done with the homeowner's exemption which would certainly help

748
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 1: because it's not been adjusted since nineteen whatever, and that

749
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 1: is what allows people who live in the house they

750
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Speaker 1: own to take a certain amount off their assessed value,

751
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,799
Speaker 1: excluding it from property taxes. And that saves you money,

752
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 1: but it doesn't save you very much money right now

753
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 1: at today's prices, and that should be adjusted. So that's

754
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 1: one way to look at it.

755
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 2: What do you think, Scott, I just I would also

756
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 2: just say the logistics of it, right, Like, obviously we

757
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 2: weren't consulted on this, we weren't asked for our input,

758
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:59,360
Speaker 2: and we've already put all of our chips into protecting

759
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 2: Prop thirteen, restoring Prop thirteen's protections. It's hard enough protecting

760
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 2: Prop thirteen in this state. I think this proposal, I

761
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 2: don't see a lot of money or effort really behind it,

762
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 2: and so I'm just not sure about its viability. And

763
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 2: you know, our big thing is we don't really want

764
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 2: to get people worked up about stuff that we're not

765
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 2: sure is going to go anywhere. That's kind of one

766
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 2: of our big things about all our Pride nineteen efforts.

767
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 2: We're only going to go forward if we think we

768
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 2: have a path forward. And so I just you know,

769
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:35,799
Speaker 2: I'm always kind of the logistics, how do we make

770
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 2: this work? Kind of thing, and I just I just

771
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:38,840
Speaker 2: unfortunately don't see it.

772
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 1: Thank you very much for the call. We'll keep an

773
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:44,360
Speaker 1: eye on that for you. Let's talk to Phil in Concord.

774
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 1: I feel.

775
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 8: Hi. Thank you. Recently, a law with an act limiting solicitations,

776
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 8: the one has to opt in or some kind of

777
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 8: thing where you have to opt in, and I only

778
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 8: heard about at once. Can you can you do you

779
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 8: know about that?

780
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:04,800
Speaker 5: No?

781
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 1: I don't think so opt into what.

782
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 8: Opt into? Limiting people's companies, solicitating arbitrarily sending letters to you,

783
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:18,319
Speaker 8: phone calls such?

784
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 5: I think was the concept.

785
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:24,400
Speaker 1: I don't think I've heard about that. Is that a

786
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 1: local measure or state policy or what does that state measure?

787
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 8: But I only heard it once, and it surprised me

788
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 8: that it hasn't hasn't been brought up continually because hounding

789
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 8: everybody in the state for buying this or contributing to that,

790
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 8: it is difficult. But the second thing, since since you

791
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 8: don't know about that, where is the safe thirteen position?

792
00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 8: I only listen to occasionally or coming late? And how

793
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 8: did you do?

794
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:06,359
Speaker 1: We did great? We did great. We got more than

795
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 1: a million three signatures and we turn them into the

796
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 1: counties on February twenty fifth, and the raw count was completed,

797
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 1: and now the random sample count is underway. And what

798
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 1: that means is that each county takes about three percent

799
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 1: of the signatures and verifies them and projects what the

800
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 1: valid total would be on the total number they received.

801
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 1: And if we hit the right number, which is ten

802
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 1: percent more in the projection ten percent more than the

803
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 1: eight hundred and seventy five thousand that we need to

804
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 1: get on the ballot, then that's it. We're on the ballot.

805
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 1: They don't have to verify the other ninety seven percent

806
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 1: of the signatures, So that's the shortcut that allows you

807
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 1: to get there a little quicker. If you miss the

808
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 1: random sample and you need a full count, that can

809
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 1: take another I think two months, So that's that would

810
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 1: be difficult if that happened. That we would probably not

811
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:00,760
Speaker 1: be able to be on this year's ballot if that happened.

812
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 1: But we're confident that we're going to make it on

813
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 1: the random sample and we will be on this November's ballot.

814
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 1: Thank you for your support.

815
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:08,320
Speaker 2: Well, and I guess I would just add, you know,

816
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 2: obviously I can't speak necessarily to the specifics of what

817
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 2: he was asking about before on the you know, the

818
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 2: soliciting your business and that sort of stuff. But I

819
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 2: remember many years ago, and maybe I'm not sure there's

820
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 2: a new law, but many years ago they passed a

821
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:22,840
Speaker 2: lot like this and it had some kind of language

822
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 2: in it though that said, like unless you have a

823
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 2: relationship with the business, and what is a relationship is

824
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 2: kind of tenuous, and like they can sell you know,

825
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 2: they they sell your information to some other business, and

826
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 2: now you have a relationship with that business because the

827
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 2: business you had a relationship with sold your information to

828
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 2: a business and stuff, so.

829
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 1: It's a new relationship.

830
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's there's always weasel language and that stuff is

831
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:48,320
Speaker 2: basically my answer.

832
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Speaker 1: Thank you for the call. We appreciate it. We will

833
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:53,320
Speaker 1: look for that, we find it, we'll talk about it

834
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 1: next week. Let's talk to Mike and Pelas verdes Hi. Mike,

835
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 1: are you there? Did we lose Mike?

836
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:05,280
Speaker 2: He's running from the radio to the phone.

837
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 1: Okay, well we'll come back to you through there.

838
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 5: Mike.

839
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 1: Let's talk to Dave in butte Hi, Dave. Dave's gone too. Well,

840
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:16,279
Speaker 1: that's the way it goes. So have I missed anybody here?

841
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:18,840
Speaker 1: Let me see have we talked to Steve in Santa Rosa? Steve,

842
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 1: are you there?

843
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:21,359
Speaker 8: Uh?

844
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 7: Yes, I am hello, Hello, thank you for calling. Yeah,

845
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:30,359
Speaker 7: good show. I like listening to you guys.

846
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 8: Uh.

847
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:35,400
Speaker 7: I had a question about the old scam that California

848
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 7: perpetrated on us, about the whole fire prevention facing and

849
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:43,280
Speaker 7: whatever happened with that. What was the outcome.

850
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 2: The courts? Yeah, I mean again, it's the it's the

851
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:50,879
Speaker 2: courts played a fast one. So yeah, we we took

852
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 2: them to court. We sued and it and they and

853
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:59,800
Speaker 2: they got us on some legal ease technicality about short

854
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 2: cases versus court long cases. We assumed it was a

855
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 2: long case because it was a class action, and they said, no,

856
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:10,840
Speaker 2: it's a short case, and you missed a deadline. The

857
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:15,319
Speaker 2: whole and the whole thing blew up. So the good

858
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:18,280
Speaker 2: news is we scared them enough to where they stopped

859
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 2: collecting it, and if they ever try to collect it again,

860
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 2: we'd have a new cause of action to take them

861
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:25,719
Speaker 2: to court. But it's basically frozen in time as a

862
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:28,320
Speaker 2: result of that, but we are always watching it and

863
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 2: if they ever try to collect that fee again, we

864
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 2: will be right back in court to challenge it.

865
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 1: Well, it is hard to keep up with the fees

866
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:38,719
Speaker 1: and the assessments and the charges and the taxes.

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Speaker 4: It is.

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Speaker 1: It is just a deluge, isn't it. And that's why

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Speaker 1: you should join the Howard Jarvis Taxpayers Association because then

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Speaker 1: you can just count on us to keep you informed

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Speaker 1: about the stuff that's happening. And you can go to

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Speaker 1: HJTA dot org and join. You can also just sign

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Speaker 1: up for the free email alerts at no cost whatsoever,

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Speaker 1: and we will be we'll be sending out our recommendations.

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Speaker 1: Are pack does candidate endorsements. Will be sending out the

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Speaker 1: recommendations by email, and we are the only authentic Howard

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Speaker 1: Jarvis endorsements. They come from Scott and the HJTA pack.

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Speaker 1: They do a lot of research into all the candidates

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Speaker 1: and you'll find that on our website as soon as

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Speaker 1: it's all complete and by email. So look for that

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Speaker 1: HJTA dot org election information. It will be up soon.

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Speaker 1: And we appreciate all of you who are members who

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Speaker 1: make this work possible. Let's talk to Robert in Santa Clarita. Hi, Robert,

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Speaker 1: we just have about a.

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Speaker 9: Bit less Yeah, so I guess I'm trying to tell

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Speaker 9: people to stand on their ground and take this all

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Speaker 9: the way to the Supreme Court, you know, as a

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Speaker 9: general rule across the country because we're facing the DSA mentality,

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Speaker 9: the Mandonnis of the world. But we're also facing I

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Speaker 9: went on a rant last time. There's a guy named

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Speaker 9: Warren Buffett who didn't leave much to his son. He's

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Speaker 9: not gonna leave much to us because he's buying up

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Speaker 9: water rights. He's behind the blowing up of our water

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Speaker 9: infrastructure in this state.

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Speaker 7: And everybody we need water.

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Speaker 1: I have to stop you, Robert, we're just about out

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Speaker 1: of time. Did you have a question.

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Speaker 9: Well, my point is there's rich people like the Styers

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Speaker 9: of the world. They've decided to take Camelot and turn

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Speaker 9: it into Scamelot.

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Speaker 1: Well, thank you very much for the call. We are

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Speaker 1: against what some of these billionaires are doing to try

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Speaker 1: to get rid of Prop thirteen, but others are fighting

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Speaker 1: to preserve Prop thirteen. And we're grateful for everyone in

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Speaker 1: the state who supports the Howard Jarvis Taxpayers Association. Thank

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Speaker 1: you to everybody. We're working hard for you. This is

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Speaker 1: the Howard Jarvis Radio Show. I am Susan Shelley with

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Speaker 1: the Howard Jarvis Taxpayers Association here with Scott Kaufman, our

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Speaker 1: legislative director. And this week we did not have our President,

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Speaker 1: John Coopol, but he'll be back soon, probably not next week,

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Speaker 1: but maybe the week after that. And we are working

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Speaker 1: hard for you every week on this station and throughout California,

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Speaker 1: fighting for you in the courts, the legislature, and on

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Speaker 1: the ballot. HJATA dot org. That's going to do it

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Speaker 1: for us this week. We will see you next week.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us.

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Speaker 8: Bye.