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Speaker 1: This is Bob Tannam in the garden.

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Speaker 2: I do have a public service announcement. I do want

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Speaker 2: to get out before I get started, I just say hi, Hi, Hi,

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Speaker 2: are you there, Ed?

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Speaker 3: I'm here, yeah?

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Speaker 2: Are you okay?

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Speaker 3: Good? Thank you?

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Speaker 2: It's here, okay, all right. I just wanted to tell

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Speaker 2: everybody that the Panole Garden Club, very active garden Club,

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Speaker 2: is having a their Tuesday meeting at two fifteen February tenth.

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Speaker 2: That's coming up in a couple of weeks there, and

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Speaker 2: it's going to be at the Panole Valley Community Church

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Speaker 2: two eight eight five Panole Valley Road in Pinole. They

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Speaker 2: will have jesse Lee Weir on and they're really excited

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Speaker 2: about it, so they're putting it out there. That's a

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Speaker 2: talk and a demonstration about seeds and seating care, seedling care,

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Speaker 2: seating care seed I guess I could go both ways

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Speaker 2: here at the poll Garden Club. So just to let

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Speaker 2: you know that is coming up. And I don't have

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Speaker 2: any other contact information except for Sally Riggs. It looks

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Speaker 2: like she's the one that you can contact for more information.

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Speaker 2: all right, now we're back at it. Good morning, Ed.

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Speaker 2: How are you this morning?

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Speaker 3: See how about yourself?

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Speaker 2: I'm dishoveled. I'm all right. You know, at this time

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Speaker 2: of the year, things start to really rev up and

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Speaker 2: cook and I'm like, okay, so let's see now. You know,

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Speaker 2: we kind of kind of laid low in December and

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Speaker 2: January came and we stared at it with you know,

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Speaker 2: like deer in the headlights. You know, there's always so

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Speaker 2: much to do.

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Speaker 3: Although so far it's just been dark here in the

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Speaker 3: Central Valley. So we've been falling.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, for like one this morning.

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Speaker 3: Oh no, last last been it's been very.

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Speaker 2: Foggy here, Central Valley. Where are you? Did you move again?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I get yeah, No, I'm not in Antioc anymore.

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Speaker 3: I was in you know, Antioch for years and uh

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Speaker 3: I've been working with all my friends. So I've been

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Speaker 3: with Dave Wilson, the Burchell's, I've been working with Generation Growers,

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Speaker 3: the local retail nurseries around here. They've all been Yeah,

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Speaker 3: we've been making videos and having fun and promoting fruit

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Speaker 2: Kind of like the new wave, you know, of what

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Speaker 2: to do when you're not doing that anymore and you

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Speaker 2: fun because I get them all the time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you.

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Speaker 2: Know, yeah, so I'm talking from the rears. Why don't

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Speaker 2: we introduce you? Okay, how are you?

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Speaker 3: Well? I'm fine. I'm at Livo and I've been in

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Speaker 3: the nursery of business for fifty years and I just

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Speaker 3: about two years ago kind of quasi retired. I'm a

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Speaker 3: free tree specialist at a landscape specialist. You know I do.

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Speaker 3: I just do a lot of things and I run

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Speaker 3: Now I just make videos with friends and colleagues, and

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Speaker 3: I run a YouTube what do you call the platform

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Speaker 3: called ed able Solutions, and that can be found on YouTube,

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Speaker 3: Facebook or Instagram. Oh and I'm I'm on TikTok too,

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Speaker 2: Yeah. TikTok is kind of an odd one because it's cycle.

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Speaker 2: How do you get noticed on there. I don't even

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Speaker 3: Mean, yeah, no, no, I have no hardly any followers

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Speaker 3: I'm posting on all my other platforms. I post twice

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I actually just well, I wanted to talk

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Speaker 2: so easily around here. Number one, I've got a cat

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Speaker 2: So I think, yeah, so so Ed and I have

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Speaker 2: known each other for almost forty of those years at least. Oh,

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Speaker 2: oh my god, it has been over forty years.

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Speaker 2: Throwing a number out there, going, oh easily, Well, I.

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Speaker 3: Think I think I met your dad. I met your

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Speaker 3: when I was at the Urban Tree Farm in Santa Rosa.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but didn't you go further back than that. Weren't

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Speaker 3: started I started there. No, I started Urban Tree Farm

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Speaker 3: probably around nineteen seventy eight, and I was there until

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Speaker 3: I went wholesale I was in. I went to work

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Speaker 3: I was the stage salesperson, inventory control person. It was

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Speaker 3: an interesting I listened. I've met so many of my wonderful,

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I know when you go to the trade show,

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Speaker 2: everybody goes hey ed and you're just trying to put

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Speaker 2: together a little video and everyone's interrupting you.

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Speaker 3: Ye right, yeah, well, I mean, you know, it's all good. Actually,

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Speaker 3: I think this is the last year for NORCAU, right,

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Speaker 2: So, Yeah, I know, I know Redwoo's going out just

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Speaker 2: sad to talk about. But at the same time, it's

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Speaker 2: like all of us have gotten old and there's the

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Speaker 2: young blood isn't doing the same kind of networking. Like

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Speaker 2: you noticed, you know, you got you got younger.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I did a lot of work. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: well I'm gonna be I'm doing I'm doing a lecture

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Speaker 2: So I say I saw that. Yeah, I was thinking, hmm,

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Speaker 3: I remember seeing you there every year I go in

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Speaker 2: I loved it. Yeah, I loved it. Until the youngsters

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Speaker 3: So hey, let me tell you. There's just a lot

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Speaker 3: But I'm working with the ziggers pretty closely and uh,

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. You know, I've noticed that at the

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Speaker 2: I'm not used to it.

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Speaker 3: I think in California we can actually offer sensationial variety

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really showing, as I say, you know, from

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Speaker 4: and it's like like eating eating a Fuji apple in June.

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Speaker 3: That apple was picked last year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I have a bone to pick about that exactly.

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Speaker 2: And I'm just wondering, Yeah, is there anything going on

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Speaker 2: let's let's let's why don't we do here, I am again,

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Speaker 2: let's go ahead and take our first break in the morning.

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Speaker 2: Get that one done. Have people do whatever they do

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Speaker 2: these messages and we'll talk more about fruit trees and

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Speaker 2: and if if people do want to call the the

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Speaker 2: call numbers are eight oh eight five six zero zero.

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Speaker 2: That's a four one five area code. Eight oh eight

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Speaker 1: You're listening to Bob Tannum in the Garden on Talk

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Speaker 1: Radio five sixty KSF.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to Bob Tannam in the Garden with E. D.

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Speaker 2: Tannem and Ed Livo, favorite person. All right, Ed, We're

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Speaker 2: going to carry on talking about fruit trees and I'm

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Speaker 2: talking about Well, let's first off, let's go ahead and

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Speaker 2: let people know that you have a YouTube channel under

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Speaker 2: ed able Solutions and then you're always posting twice a

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Speaker 2: week practically on Facebook and Instagram, so you can look

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Speaker 2: it up. Are you under Edlivo Solutions, edable Solutions on

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Speaker 2: all of them? Are also under your name now ed able.

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Speaker 3: Solutions on all of them?

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Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, yeah, so you can.

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Speaker 3: And I think that I think if you type you

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Speaker 3: know ed Livo and your browser, you know my, they

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Speaker 3: just come up all over the place. Yeah, you know, Okay,

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Speaker 3: I've only been I've been making videos since YouTube started.

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Speaker 3: So there's videos everywhere.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there are, yeah, you have, I mean not even

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Speaker 2: just through the was it Tomorrow's Harvest? I think that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well I well I did work for I did

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Speaker 3: work for them. Yeah, I did work for Tomorrow's Harvest.

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Speaker 3: But I did probably get one hundred plus videos in

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I can't even edit a video. I'm still so backwards.

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Speaker 2: I'll put one up, but it'll be the way I

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Speaker 3: No, Yeah, it'll give you lots of fruit. Let me

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Speaker 5: Okay, yes, good morning, We've got the Ed and Edie trifecta. Here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, Well the dormant sprail helped to control

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Speaker 5: It's much more difficult than sounds like a plan. Thank

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Speaker 2: We're not getting the rain right now too, and then

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Speaker 2: All right, welcome back to Bob Tannem in the Garden

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Speaker 2: with Ed Tannem. Almost forgot my last name and my

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Speaker 2: guest is Edliva. Good morning Ed again. We kind of

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Speaker 2: you never know when people are listening to fifteen minute segments,

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Speaker 2: so I always make sure I introduce each time. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: so you were mentioning something about when pruning should be

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean apricots. Apricots you wouldn't prune in the

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Speaker 3: any fruit tree and then be able to manage, you know,

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Speaker 3: also keeping fruit coming consistently here after year. So that's

435
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:40,680
Speaker 3: the whole concept of backyard orchard culture and what it promotes.

436
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:43,960
Speaker 3: It promotes summer summer pruning for size control, a little

437
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,399
Speaker 3: bit of winter pruning for cleanup, you know, where you

438
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 3: eliminate small limbs in the and misdirected limbs or dead

439
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:55,200
Speaker 3: and disease limbs during the wintertime, but you don't really

440
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 3: deal with the main canopy. And novice gardeners make up

441
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Speaker 3: eighty five percent of the people that grow fruit trees,

442
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 3: so you know, they don't they don't want to be

443
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 3: master printers. They probably are you know, engineers or software

444
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 3: designers or you know, running the shop, and they got

445
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:15,440
Speaker 3: other things they want to do with their life. They

446
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:18,399
Speaker 3: just want to come home and pick fruit. So, you know,

447
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 3: Becker O, your culture simplifies that whole methodology for that

448
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 3: for that majority of people who grow fruit trees. Yeah.

449
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Speaker 2: Now the book is not available anymore, is it.

450
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it's just all it is is a It's

451
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Speaker 3: a paper, you know. I mean the one person that

452
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:40,959
Speaker 3: wrote there are two people that wrote really good books

453
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 3: on it. And one of them was Holby Arnment and

454
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 3: his book, Oh my gosh, it's going to escape me

455
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:51,120
Speaker 3: right now. But and then there was Ann Ralph who

456
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,920
Speaker 3: grew who wrote the book Grow Little Fruit Tree. Both

457
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:57,399
Speaker 3: of those people are good friends and and they are

458
00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:03,160
Speaker 3: just giving you the the methodology to which you grow

459
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:07,639
Speaker 3: using backyard orchid culture, the high density planting, high density

460
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,879
Speaker 3: printing of fruit trees. So in backyard orchid culture, you

461
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 3: go on to the Dave Wilson Nursery website and you

462
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 3: can print out, you know, the Dave Wilson Nurseries Backyard

463
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 3: Orchard Culture paper. And I just rewrote it, so I

464
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 3: updated it. I you know, it hadn't been updated in

465
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 3: thirty five years. So I updated it and they've just

466
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 3: reposted it. And there's new methodologies and there's new things

467
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:39,160
Speaker 3: that we know about high density planting and pruning now

468
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 3: that you know, we needed to update.

469
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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's there has been a ton of changes and

470
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Speaker 2: a ton more work. Like you're talking about new varieties.

471
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,679
Speaker 2: They never stop, you know. I mean I had on

472
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 2: a few years ago, now, a couple of years ago.

473
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 2: I haven't been on here forever. But anyway, that was

474
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 2: talking about, you know, the the company that invented the

475
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 2: candy cotton candy, Oh my goodness, the cotton candy grape

476
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 2: that yeah, yeah, kind of come and still being grown around.

477
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:19,359
Speaker 2: And then they're doing cherries and I don't know what

478
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 2: else they're doing, but they change their name too. It's

479
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 2: hard to keep up with all.

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Speaker 3: These yeah bloom something. Yeah. Well, I mean the thing

481
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,640
Speaker 3: that the thing that I'm really intrigued with is that

482
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Speaker 3: you know, the uh, there's two new varieties of red

483
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 3: fleshed apples on the market now that come that are

484
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 3: in the grocery store. They they're early apples, so they

485
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 3: come in like in September October. It's Lucy Glow and

486
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Speaker 3: Lucy Rose. Those are great apples, man. I mean it's

487
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 3: hard to tell if you're just walking by a whole

488
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 3: rack of you know, table of apples that they're they're

489
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 3: just this amazing red flesh inside. But I've done videos

490
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Speaker 3: on those as well, share you know, the the excitement

491
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 3: of those. They have a berry flavor to them. They

492
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 3: just they're just a very very Yeah, it's just and

493
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 3: then you know the high antioxidant value of red flesh,

494
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 3: you know, having that that extra you know, extra health

495
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 3: benefit if you will. So it's a it's a great thing.

496
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Speaker 3: And I think there'll be new varieties of red fleshed

497
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Speaker 3: apples coming out as well. I think red flesh is

498
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 3: kind of taking over Europe right now, and I think

499
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 3: it's on its way here as well.

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Speaker 2: Interesting, I wonder what the health benefits are that that

501
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 2: are being h produced with that. It's interesting interesting side.

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Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, Well, when you get into.

503
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Speaker 3: When you get into a red flesh like on a citrus,

504
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 3: you know, like so for instance, in car car orange,

505
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 3: you know that kind of that pinkish red tint that

506
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 3: the car car orange has that's because of that's due

507
00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:00,160
Speaker 3: to lycopene. You know, and that's a you know, really

508
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 3: powerful antioxidant. And then the like a blood orange that

509
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 3: would be anticinans, and those are very powerful antioxidants as well.

510
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 3: And I'm not a one hundred percent sure if the

511
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 3: if the red in the plums are anticinans as well.

512
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 3: I think they are, and but I don't know about apples.

513
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 3: I'm not one hundred percent sure. But that red comes

514
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 3: from the some specific antioxidants that really are you know, real,

515
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 3: real beneficial. So the red flesh stuff is very cool.

516
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 3: I mean, it's killer.

517
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Speaker 5: Fun.

518
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Speaker 2: Of course, it has to the sweetness. Ye it doesn't hurt.

519
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 3: And on top of that, it taste. The taste is fantastic.

520
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 3: So I mean beyond you know, the health benefits, I

521
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 3: mean you could say, hey, look at it. I could

522
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 3: care less about being healthy. I just want good food.

523
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 3: And these these red fleshed varieties are just out of

524
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 3: this world. I mean, they're they're very tasty, you bet,

525
00:30:59,160 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 3: you bet.

526
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 2: So I want to kind of jump back a little

527
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 2: bit to container gardening because I remember a couple of

528
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 2: years ago, I think it is now, that you did

529
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 2: a soil thing for citrus in pots, and then you're

530
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 2: talking about the blueberries and the ideal soil is this

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Speaker 2: kind of like, do you have a overall suggestion for

532
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 2: anything in pots that are going to be there for

533
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 2: a long time or would it really be different for

534
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 2: blueberries than it is for citrus, you know with your methodology.

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Speaker 3: Well, the citrus isn't. Citrus likes a loca soil. So

536
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 3: citrus likes a slightly acidic soil. Somewhere around six is

537
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 3: really fine for citrus. And so even the blueberry mix

538
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 3: that I have, I grow my citrus in that blueberry

539
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 3: mix and that pH it runs between five eight and

540
00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 3: six the blueberry mix does without adding SID fertilizer and

541
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Speaker 3: things like that. But because of California's are water, our

542
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 3: tap waters throughout California are running into the high you know,

543
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 3: eights in some places nine. And in terms of pH,

544
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 3: and you know that every time you water your plant,

545
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 3: that's contrary to what that plant pH requirement is. You know,

546
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 3: it's jacking up the the pH in the wrong directions. So,

547
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 3: you know, I like acid fertilizers. I like growing citrus

548
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 3: in an acid based mix as well in containers, and

549
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 3: I like the porosity at you know, citrus likes a

550
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 3: lot of good areation and the root as well as blueberries.

551
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 3: Blueberries and citrus are two of the greatest plants to

552
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 3: grow in containers by far.

553
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 5: They are They're.

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Speaker 3: Easy as long as you're you know, sensitive to the

555
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 3: fact that you know the the the the sustaining of

556
00:32:56,480 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 3: the acid. You know, the pH is your primary concern.

557
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 3: Just keeping that pH down so that you don't get

558
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 3: any discoloration or burnt margins like blueberries, when the pH

559
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 3: starts to go up too high, they start to draw

560
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 3: in soluble salts and burn the margins.

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Speaker 2: Got it all right, We're going to take one more

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Speaker 2: break and then we're going to talk about a little

563
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Speaker 2: bit more about core and can you know, just because

564
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 2: that's where I'm at, I'm so holding back after these messages.

565
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 2: And yeah, we have ed Livo from with ed Abel

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Speaker 2: Solutions is his YouTube channel, and we'll talk after this.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to Bob Danam in the Garden on Talk

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Speaker 1: Radio five sixty.

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Speaker 2: Listen live to the show. By the way, there's all

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Speaker 2: this wonderful bumper music and when you're listening to the repeats,

571
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 2: they take that part out. So I just want to

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Speaker 2: let you know that listening live has some benefits too.

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Speaker 2: All right, eight O eight five six zero zero. In

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Speaker 2: case there's any last minute questions for Ed Livo. Good

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Speaker 2: morning back again.

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Speaker 3: Let Ed.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm thinking while I'm talking that never works. Thanks,

578
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,799
Speaker 2: all right, So I did want to talk about kind

579
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 2: of the bottom of planting mix and the top of

580
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:18,320
Speaker 2: covering just so we kind of make sure that we're okay.

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Speaker 2: So at the beginning of the show, we were talking

582
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Speaker 2: about keeping our fruit trees between five and six feet

583
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 2: overall so that you can cover them. And so let's

584
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Speaker 2: talk a little bit about that. So you're covering them

585
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 2: to stop perhaps the moths or whatever laying eggs in

586
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 2: the fruit like an apple tree, and then also cherries,

587
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Speaker 2: So tell us a little bit more about that.

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00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 3: Well, one of the things that I'm focused on right

589
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 3: now is spotted wing just so, which is a big

590
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 3: problem with sweet cherries, and it's the worm that's getting

591
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 3: into sweet cherries. And you know, backyard gardeners, don't you know,

592
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 3: they really don't have the resources, nor did they have

593
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 3: the desire to spray everything in the world to be

594
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 3: able to protect themselves against the the these insects. But

595
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 3: you can take and break the life cycle just simply

596
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 3: by the spotted wing esophlo will get the fruit the

597
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 3: cherry when it starts to color. So just before it

598
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 3: starts the color, you throw a cover over your tree,

599
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:25,760
Speaker 3: you know, tie it down nice and snug, and then

600
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:29,240
Speaker 3: enjoy the cherries when you want, pick them as they ripen,

601
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 3: but keep the the the fly from actually infecting the fruit.

602
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 3: Right so that I mean the breaking, breaking breaking life cycles.

603
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 3: That's exactly what we're trying to do with covering techniques.

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Speaker 2: Right Exactly when would you do that with an apple

605
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 2: to stop that worm? I mean this would be this

606
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 2: would only work with that ful tree.

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00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,479
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, that's for cuddling off and it would only

608
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,120
Speaker 3: work with the seal tree. That's exactly right. But but

609
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 3: keep in mind this that throughout the country right now,

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00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 3: like for instance, in the Mideast, in the Midwest and

611
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 3: on the East Coast, they deal with an is it

612
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 3: called the plumb ccurio And that's a huge problem, all right,

613
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 3: And lots of people now are starting to keep their

614
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 3: fruit trees low and incorporate covering techniques in now. We

615
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 3: started at the Farok Sports Center U Chuck Ingles, who's

616
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 3: unfortunately passed Chuck Ingles and I started working with covering

617
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 3: techniques back in the in the nineties and we were

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00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 3: doing it with the spoiliers and covering a spoliarism, but

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Speaker 3: we were trying to control peach leaf curl and had

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00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:48,720
Speaker 3: had some successes with covering trees during the boom period

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Speaker 3: and then warding off, you know, in a tremendous infection

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00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 3: from peach leaf curl. We got you know, sixty five

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Speaker 3: control in some cases just by covering. So those are

624
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,359
Speaker 3: the things that we want to expand on. Is we

625
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 3: want to expand on those opportunities. And then also when

626
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 3: you think about squirrels and all the kind of gritters,

627
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:13,839
Speaker 3: you know, what, what can you do to protect your

628
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 3: trees from critters. Well, there's a lot of barrier techniques

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Speaker 3: that we had incorporated years and years ago. Didn't feel

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00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 3: that they were applicable at the time, but I think

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Speaker 3: now we're going to revisit those. If you keep your

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00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 3: trees just a little bit lower, you can take and

633
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 3: put you know, a fencing around it that would keep

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00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 3: a raccoon out, would keep a a what do you

635
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 3: call it, uh, a squirrel out, But yeah, not necessarily

636
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:47,399
Speaker 3: another rats r I don't figured i'n't figured out rats. Yeah,

637
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 3: deer would keep deer out easily. Deer the Yeah, that's

638
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 3: a tough Yeah, rats are tough.

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00:37:55,480 --> 00:38:04,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, we have no Yeah. So the grow cover if

640
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 2: you can sent it to the bottom of the pot

641
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 2: and you know, sensing it. I found these bags that

642
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 2: were great. I mean it did stop the roof. Rats,

643
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 2: it did. They couldn't get in. They did not find

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00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 2: a way in, although I didn't have industrious ones. I

645
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 2: mean this is the first two years I've done the bags.

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00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 2: But yeah, they do work. I'm going to kill a

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00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:28,800
Speaker 2: squirrel in a minute. But that's a whole nother subject.

648
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Speaker 3: Well, no, good for you, because there are there are

649
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 3: products now on the market that are for covering techniques,

650
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 3: for covering limbs and stuff like that. We're talking about

651
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 3: covering the whole tree though, and we're talking about pruning becoming.

652
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 3: It's essential when you're growing a fruit tree to know

653
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 3: that there is no semi dwarf rootstock, no magic rootstock

654
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 3: out there. You know. The idea is control your fruit

655
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,880
Speaker 3: tree with pruning. And if you do it like using

656
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 3: a backyard orchard culture approach, you know you're doing it

657
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 3: while you're gardening during the year. You know, while you're

658
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 3: actually gardening, you're not out there in the rain or

659
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:07,839
Speaker 3: in the mud or in the muck. You know, you're

660
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 3: working with your tree while it's what they call vegetatively growing.

661
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:19,959
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly. Okay, so we're gonna skip over. We're gonna

662
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 2: skip over. We're gonna skip over a little bit more

663
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 2: to the the best planting mix. I know you want

664
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:28,319
Speaker 2: people to watch your video, and of course I do

665
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 2: want that too. And then of course we're talking about Aha,

666
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:36,319
Speaker 2: water is a whole nother subject, and you're right, yeah,

667
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:40,919
Speaker 2: and these whole house systems are damn expensive. I mean,

668
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:44,879
Speaker 2: I'm still trying to consider that myself because I'm yeah,

669
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 2: trying to get other people who are not plumbers to

670
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 2: install them is actually a bigger deal than I imagined.

671
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 2: But anyway, but I really am frustrated with water. It's

672
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 2: like our water is not the healthiest stuff to bathe

673
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 2: in either, you know, so it is frustra read.

674
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 3: But beyond that, typically typically the water is okay to

675
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:07,840
Speaker 3: grow fruit trees with. I mean, the problem with water,

676
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:10,840
Speaker 3: I think throughout the state of California and maybe throughout

677
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 3: the you know, Western states, would be it's too expensive.

678
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:17,319
Speaker 3: And so you know, with the cost of water being

679
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:20,399
Speaker 3: what it is right now, just think about it. If

680
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:23,919
Speaker 3: a fruit tree gets ten to fifteen feet tall, it's

681
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 3: going to consume quite a bit of water. If you

682
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 3: keep your fruit tree somewhere down around you know, that's

683
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 3: let's say five to six feet, it's not going to

684
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 3: consume as much water. That's it's just plain simple physics.

685
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, it makes a lot of sense. But keep his

686
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 2: almonds down.

687
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 3: Too well, you know, I mean the commercial guys. Let

688
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 3: me tell you what the commercial people do so much

689
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 3: in terms of what they produce and water conservation. They've

690
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 3: probably been more staddled with water conservation longer than any

691
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:02,720
Speaker 3: homeowners have. I mean, now we're starting homeowners are starting

692
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 3: to feel the weight of you know, expensive water. Whereas

693
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 3: the farmers always had there, they've always been having to

694
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 3: adjust relative to water availability as a total in the

695
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 3: in the state. So they've come up with some very

696
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 3: very eloquent ways to be able to take a mastered

697
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:28,240
Speaker 3: water distribution. So the farmers, the farmers are always on board.

698
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:30,319
Speaker 3: They need to they need to make money, so they

699
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 3: need to conserve water. And the homeowners now are are

700
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 3: gradually coming into the same task.

701
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then trying to you know, definitely save money

702
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 2: by growing your own fruit. Definitely is a plus site

703
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:50,239
Speaker 2: as well, huge plus. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. So tell me

704
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 2: a little bit about core because people go, what is

705
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 2: this block? What does it do? And I've seen it

706
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 2: what like ten years ago it came on the market

707
00:41:58,760 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 2: or a little bit less.

708
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 3: Oh, it's been on the market for a lot longer

709
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 3: than that. I started fooling around with it in the

710
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 3: mid nineties mid nineties the pot the pot growers were

711
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 3: the only people using it up on the up on

712
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 3: the coast, and that was one of my territories, and

713
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:18,360
Speaker 3: they were using it as a propagation mix and I

714
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 3: didn't like it because it was in the shredded form.

715
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:22,840
Speaker 3: But now you can get it in the chunk form.

716
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 3: And every year Costco brings in palettes of it, and

717
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 3: I buy up blocks of it and it comes in

718
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:35,240
Speaker 3: a three cubic foot what do you call it, bail

719
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,400
Speaker 3: or block, very small, and you just put that in

720
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 3: water and it expands. It'll it expands out to nobody's business.

721
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 3: But you incorporate that into your potting mixes and it'll

722
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 3: add both porosity, the ability of the air to transfer

723
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:52,800
Speaker 3: through the soil well. And it'll also add water retention,

724
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:57,320
Speaker 3: where the core absorbs water like a sponge and doesn't

725
00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:01,840
Speaker 3: release that water until the soil surrounding that particle get dry.

726
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:06,320
Speaker 3: So it's it's got a great relationship with a soil

727
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:09,360
Speaker 3: mix and uh and I love it. I've been using

728
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:14,799
Speaker 3: chunked or it's chunked, not shredded, but chunk core. I've

729
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 3: been using it in my potting mixes for years, I

730
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 3: mean last years, and it was real difficult to get before.

731
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 3: But now what Costco gets in on the pallets is

732
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 3: called the mulch. Don't ever use core as a mulch.

733
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:30,839
Speaker 3: It's so light you know it'll blow away. You put

734
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 3: it on as a mulch, it'll blow over to your

735
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 3: neighbor's house the next day. So it's crazy as a mulch,

736
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 3: but it's wonderful as an incorporate individual