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Speaker 1: Live from the Shark Tank. Adam coupland ten Raimy filling

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Speaker 1: in for Derek Poppa today joining us. Now, i'd say

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Speaker 1: the Umer guest line. I guess it is the Yumer

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Speaker 1: Max Miller is with us yere beat writer for Sharks

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Speaker 1: Hockey Digest, and you hear him on the on sirius X,

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Speaker 1: I'm on NHL.

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Speaker 2: What's going on?

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Speaker 3: Then? How are you? How are you good to be here?

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Speaker 3: Great to have you?

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Speaker 1: Man?

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Speaker 3: So you're you're a Barrier native, Yeah, born and raise

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Speaker 3: a and BR guy, Yes all the time. I mean

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Speaker 3: I grew up. My dad's driving around driving a baseball practice.

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Speaker 3: It's kmbrs on.

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Speaker 1: And you're a So you're a Giants, Warriors, Niners, Raiders, Sharks.

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Speaker 3: Where do you fall?

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Speaker 1: A's Where are you like?

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Speaker 3: What was your uh allegiance? As we get I would say,

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Speaker 3: I would say, definitely grow up more of an A's fan. Okay,

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Speaker 3: all good, But the entire family is from New York,

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Speaker 3: so I watched a lot of New York sports growing up.

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Speaker 1: So would you would you would you like you have

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Speaker 1: an allegiance to like the Mets? Or the Yanks or like,

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Speaker 1: what's your.

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Speaker 3: So I'm I nobody's gonna like this first time on

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Speaker 3: Barry Radio.

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Speaker 1: We're just gonna bury him on. Yes, that's exactly to

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Speaker 1: you a hole and you have to climb out of

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Speaker 1: it for the rest of your career.

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Speaker 3: Look, my dad, my dad was born in the Bronx,

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Speaker 3: so I grew up a New York Yankees fan. But

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Speaker 3: I don't also hate the Mets because my grandfather worked

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Speaker 3: at City Field and Chase Stadium for over sixty years

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Speaker 3: as a security guard. Did the same thing in Madison

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Speaker 3: Square Garden. So uh, but definitely, you know I was.

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Speaker 3: I was an A's access member. Like you know, I

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Speaker 3: might be a diehard Yankees fan, but I love the A's.

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Speaker 3: I was at the final game of the Coliseum. You know.

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Speaker 3: My dad was a worked at the box office there.

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Speaker 3: That's so you know you got that golden ticket. My

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Speaker 3: dad was able to go in and get like the

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Speaker 3: actual print out, got some dirt from the bullpen in

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Speaker 3: the warning track, So I wasn't I wasn't gonna miss

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Speaker 3: that for the world. I love I love the A's.

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Speaker 3: I love the A's.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny you asked me before we got going.

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Speaker 1: I don't know why I didn't think that. She said,

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Speaker 1: do you have ties to New York? My grandparents were

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Speaker 1: from New York. My grandfather John Taylor ri ip he

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Speaker 1: a game and saw Garrett play. My grandma when they

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Speaker 1: to games. As forget where the Phillies played back then

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Speaker 1: we used to go look at Riggie Ashburn's, but in

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Speaker 1: center fielders where my grandma she'd go watch. So I

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Speaker 1: do got some of those those back East ties. I

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Speaker 1: get the allegiance to some of those teams. But uh,

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Speaker 1: now you're covering Sharks hockey man. Yeah here, you played

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Speaker 1: for a long time yourself. So let's get into this

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Speaker 1: just in terms of the big picture of this season

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Speaker 1: and what this young corps has done. How exciting, unexpected

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean excitement is off the charts. I mean

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Speaker 3: with Macklin Celebriny. I mean he's you know, he's the

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Speaker 3: whenever they get to the promise line, whatever that is.

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Speaker 3: So we got a glimpse of that last year, but

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Speaker 3: this year he's just exploded. I think, even more than

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Speaker 3: he thought he was going to. I mean he even

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Speaker 3: a hundred points this year. That's a nineteen year old

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Speaker 3: we may be passing four.

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Speaker 1: I mean he made jumbo Joe's got one fourteen is

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Speaker 3: Less than ten points away. So he's on pace. He's

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Speaker 3: on pace to pass him. I think he's on pace. No,

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Speaker 2: I think Maclin is now on pace for like one

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Speaker 3: Yea right, correct, Yeah, it's it's going to go up

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Speaker 3: He's going to be the guy that we're going to

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Speaker 3: Yards Lovaskar, Sam Dickens, and Michael Mee, so all these guys.

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Speaker 3: It's exciting because there's there's a future here. And I

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Speaker 3: don't think that people expected them to be this close

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Speaker 3: like thinking they were at arms length, but like, you know,

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Speaker 3: you're in it, but you're not incrementally better, Like they're

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Speaker 3: like this is this is house money. Like if they

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Speaker 3: get in, it's even more house money, Like they're taking

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Speaker 3: money from the house right now because they're playing important

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Speaker 3: games with seven games to go. I think maybe around

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Speaker 3: this time, you know, if you were to tell me

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Speaker 3: if they were going to be, you know, two points

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Speaker 3: wouldn't be able to I wouldn't think they would be there.

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Speaker 2: Well, Cops and I were talking about this earlier, about

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Speaker 2: the xctations for this year or to where now you

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Speaker 2: have a expectation of them maybe getting in even if

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Speaker 2: they miss out. Is it still one hundred percent a

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Speaker 3: Oh, one hundred percent. Like I said before, like you're

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Speaker 3: playing with house money if you don't. I don't think

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Speaker 3: in April, Like maybe you would think they'd four or

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Speaker 3: You know, they're in it, but they're not really in it.

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Speaker 3: And and so when you look at where this team is,

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Speaker 3: every night feels like a playoff game. And that's only

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Speaker 3: going to help into the next few seasons.

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Speaker 1: Talking to Maximoller with the voice you hear Sharks Hockey Digest,

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Speaker 1: I mean, to your point, Saturday, was that the most

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Speaker 1: meaningful game of the ten since twenty nineteen?

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Speaker 3: One hundred percent? Yeah, that this was the most meaningful game.

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Speaker 3: That was the most meaningful game in the last you know,

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Speaker 3: that was a game where you go deep into the standings,

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Speaker 3: they catch up on all the tiebreakers. If they win

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Speaker 3: they control their destiny unfortunately didn't go their way. But

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Speaker 3: you you pull back, you look at percent it's a

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Speaker 3: learning moment and the best part is they're still so

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Speaker 2: It was impressive they were able to come back from

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Speaker 2: because there is this feeling with the Sharks te Max

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Speaker 2: I feel like they don't know how to create that

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Speaker 2: just by demand, like when it happens suddenly they tilt

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Speaker 1: The Warriors knew how to get Clay going around the game.

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Speaker 1: They're like, okay, if we can get him, and you

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Speaker 1: would see him heat check like five times in the

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Speaker 3: It's hard, you know, in the NBA, you know you

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Speaker 3: can you can heat check guys, you can get three

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Speaker 3: pointers going. Or you know in baseball, pitchers dealing early,

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Speaker 3: you know they're on. You just need somebody to make

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Speaker 3: a play. It's hard to do that in hockey with

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Speaker 3: the team game, because you know, a guy like maclin Celebrini,

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Speaker 3: they're gonna double team and triple team him. You can't

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Speaker 3: go full bam auto bio eighty three points on him

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Speaker 3: right like it's it's it's hard to get it going.

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Speaker 3: And and like Ted said, like inorganically, sometimes you need

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Speaker 3: a power play for the Sharks team to get him going.

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Speaker 3: And when you look at Nashville, it's an experienced team.

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Speaker 3: Right away, the first two guys scores goal. Philip Forsburg,

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Speaker 3: who has played in the playoffs, has has is an

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Speaker 3: that experience yet, and it's only gonna come with experience

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Speaker 3: and games like the Nashville game. How did they create

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Speaker 2: By the way coaps, I gotta say in hockey and

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Speaker 2: in basketball, you can shoot your way out of trouble.

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately for the Giants, they can't just swing their way

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and uh and also defense doesn't translate into offense,

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Speaker 1: and they're not doing that well either, right, you know

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Speaker 3: Catch the blanken ball and Joe A. Dell's the perfect

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Speaker 3: example of defense doesn't translate to offense. It's one nothing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, one of the greatest game anybody's ever had.

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Speaker 3: One nothing.

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Speaker 1: It's seventy thousand baseball games in history. Nobody's ever done

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Speaker 1: that and didn't really matter. No, rob the whole right,

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Speaker 1: but it didn't want nothing. What's what's the difference? No,

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Speaker 1: you can't no defense, there's no transition offense. It's harder

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Speaker 1: to create transition offensive hockey tark the.

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Speaker 3: Crowd on their feet. Yeah, that's what hockey fights do.

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Speaker 3: And wouldn't you know what he's coming up?

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Speaker 1: Oh for three of But you know, how often do

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Speaker 1: you see a guy make a great play in the

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Speaker 1: field and come up to bat like it just doesn't

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Speaker 1: happen for him. We're talking to match million here, Sharks

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Speaker 1: Hockey digest. Okay, So like if we're gonna like mathematical.

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Speaker 1: We put the formula together, It's like shark's strengths divided

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Speaker 1: by sharks weaknesses multiplied by remaining strength of scan. Whatever

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Speaker 1: however you you formulate, you build that formula. What's their

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Speaker 1: greatest strength in the reason that would get them in?

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Speaker 1: What weakness would keep them out? And where do you

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Speaker 1: fall in which one outweighs the other?

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Speaker 3: Is peendos is a thing? Right? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Please excuse my dear aunt Sally.

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Speaker 3: Yeah exactly. Journalists not a math person. Come on, but no,

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Speaker 3: So the the the I mean, the way they get

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Speaker 3: in is is Macklin celebrity continues to go nuts. I

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Speaker 3: mean he to four point night to three point night.

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Speaker 3: You don't need that every night, but you need him

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Speaker 3: to create and generate and run things. He needs to

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Speaker 3: It's got to be consistent effort the whole way, and

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's something that I think he does really well.

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Speaker 1: Max Miller, beat writer for Sharks Hockey Digest and noted

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