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Speaker 1: You found dirty work with Adam Copeland and Derek Poppa

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Speaker 2: A power line him, I'll rather than Goofy movie till

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Speaker 2: I die, Bro stand up. Goofy movie is a hill

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Speaker 2: of the crew fitting for today.

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Speaker 3: And then if I got a shut.

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Speaker 2: Out, I'm all about it. Dan dan Ton on The

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Speaker 2: Ones in Tuesday, Time is Out, and Rina and watching

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Speaker 2: right Out and Tahoe watching some some March madness. To

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Speaker 2: your notice man, as he does every year, dirty work

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Speaker 2: with you on a Thursday. We are gonna be at

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Speaker 2: Jack's Restaurant and Bar in Newark tomorrow. Come on by

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Speaker 2: to the East Bay, fam, I'm gonna be a beautiful day.

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Speaker 2: Call out telling me you got to get out and

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Speaker 2: see some dirty work and and hang and watch some

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Speaker 3: Your bosses will understand that, Yeah, ours will.

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Speaker 2: That's where we're going.

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry I can't come into work today. Why well,

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Speaker 4: it's dirty work.

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Speaker 2: Well it's it's dirty works at uh Jackson, Newark.

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Speaker 4: And they'll be like, okay, okay, but yesterday you told

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Speaker 4: me took off work for the March Madness.

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Speaker 3: Well yeah, you understand though too.

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Speaker 2: Because are different things.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the two types of illness.

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Speaker 2: One deadline we got to deal with tomorrow or maybe

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Speaker 2: Trent Williams deal. So he's due ten million dollars tomorrow

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Speaker 2: for his bonus assuring his place on the team and

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Speaker 2: the roster for twenty twenty six. Now, again, this is

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Speaker 2: a self imposed or mutual deadline between the two. Yes,

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Speaker 2: so you compared this to Dallas Goddard had a deadline

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Speaker 3: Week they kept kicking the can down the road.

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Speaker 2: When it came to his they didn't reach an agreement,

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Speaker 4: So his was different though, where his contract was voided

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Speaker 3: Right before the deadline.

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Speaker 2: Not avoiding trends.

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Speaker 4: No, they're not voiding it. It's just if he makes

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Speaker 2: I said, so it's no news good news on the

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Speaker 2: Matt said, yeah, I would kind of go with that

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Speaker 2: confirm that you know that they gave him permission? He

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Speaker 3: Yeah, honest, he knows that.

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Speaker 4: Honestly, I think the Niners kind of hold the cards

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Speaker 3: You have the Chiefs, you have the Texans. They have

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Speaker 4: I think this is going to be a good thing

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Speaker 4: negotiations have always gone into training camp.

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Speaker 3: And then we'll have resolution with this, hopefully by tomorrow.

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Speaker 4: But there's there's three outcomes that could happen here, and

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Speaker 4: both want to get this done. So let's see what happens.

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Speaker 4: I don't know the exact time when this is a deadline.

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Speaker 4: I would assume midnight tonight, and you got to believe

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Here's the question I would ask, do you expect

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Speaker 2: I expect there to be an extension of the deadline announced.

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Speaker 3: I think so too. I think tomorrow will get a report.

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Speaker 2: That that Vaniners and Tret Williams are in negotiations and

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Speaker 2: they've extended his They've pushed his ten million dollars roster

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Speaker 2: Now we're also indicated that they're probably close.

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Speaker 4: Yes, now, once this happens, I do think that frees

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Speaker 3: That's going to help them with Trent.

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Speaker 4: Once that's done, maybe look for Joey Bosa to finally

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Speaker 2: That's what I'm thinking. I think we hear about a

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Speaker 4: Or Trent maybe doesn't want to play balls, like no,

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Speaker 3: New contractor give me ten million tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: I mean, so here's the deal. If the Niners have

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Speaker 3: He's on the team.

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Speaker 3: Now you're on this deal, no new deal, you're on

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Speaker 2: We've paid you the ten. Now you're on the deal.

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Speaker 2: You didn't reach the deal by the deadline. And this

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Speaker 4: If that happens where there's no new deal and he's

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Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying is if the if they it's

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Speaker 2: He wants another year, and he wants you know, wants

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Speaker 3: And the pitch and Bonds hits a drive to right

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Speaker 7: I just want to let you know. I'm sitting here

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Speaker 2: The other thing, Jason, is you get more Impractical Jokers

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Speaker 4: But if you're going with low expectations, not.

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Speaker 2: go to like urgent. You're like, now, if that's gnarly,

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Speaker 2: then I think I took the next day off.

441
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Speaker 3: Yeah, did you up yourself over the weekend? He put

442
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Speaker 3: some like scotch tape on it.

443
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Speaker 2: I didn't have anything ever, but I talked to my

444
00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:04,960
Speaker 2: buddies and almost glues back to my buddies an EMT

445
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Speaker 2: and he was like, all right, just put some neo

446
00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:08,920
Speaker 2: sporing on it. I put, which was like not the movie.

447
00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:11,280
Speaker 2: And I didn't have any gaza things. So I took

448
00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:13,119
Speaker 2: like paper towel and scotch tape.

449
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Speaker 3: You don't wonder, did heel?

450
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Speaker 5: We're still here?

451
00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:19,679
Speaker 3: I made it, dude, made it.

452
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Speaker 2: Anyway, made official to day. Barry Bond's gonna appear on

453
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Speaker 2: the pregame for Netflix as an analyst on the broadcast

454
00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:29,280
Speaker 2: of Giants Yankees on opening day? Does it improve his image? Like,

455
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Speaker 2: the question I would ask is is why is he

456
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Speaker 2: doing it when they're paying him?

457
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Speaker 5: Oh?

458
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Speaker 2: Yeah, is his is his improvement of image? Any reason

459
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Speaker 2: as to why he's doing this. I don't think Barry

460
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Speaker 2: really cares like I do. Think here's the thing. I

461
00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:47,440
Speaker 2: don't really believe him at all when when he says

462
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Speaker 2: he's made peace with the fact that he's not in

463
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Speaker 2: the hall.

464
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Speaker 3: Oh could you No, No, he hasn't.

465
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Speaker 2: I think it's just something you say. I don't think

466
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Speaker 2: you have that kind of ego or success and not

467
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Speaker 2: believe relative to your peers. When Jeff Kent's going in,

468
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Speaker 2: You're like, really, I mean, so we all know why

469
00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:03,520
Speaker 2: he's been kept out. But I don't think any of

470
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Speaker 2: this improves those chances. I think the further we get

471
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Speaker 2: away from him playing, his image improves, much like that

472
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Speaker 2: of Pete Rose, right, Like, there's so many people who

473
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Speaker 2: are like I can't believe that they haven't put rows

474
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Speaker 2: in even though that gambling scandal happened way back when

475
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Speaker 2: I go, yeah, but if it happened today, you wouldn't

476
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Speaker 2: want that guy in in your lifetime. You'd be like,

477
00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:21,520
Speaker 2: kid that guy out that got cheated the game and whatnot.

478
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Speaker 2: With Barry, I think as we further, as we get

479
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Speaker 2: further away from it, while people don't remember necessarily the

480
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Speaker 2: impact of the magnitude of his career and how he

481
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Speaker 2: changed the game entirely. Like I think I had to

482
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Speaker 2: remind Murph like, dude the shift in baseball when that

483
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Speaker 2: got so dramatic. I'm like, they used to do that

484
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Speaker 2: to Barry every time he batted from like two through

485
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Speaker 2: the end of his career, where they put the second

486
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Speaker 2: basement in right field and move the short stop over

487
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Speaker 2: to second base, Like you would have to play the

488
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Speaker 2: game entirely different and manage the game differently because he

489
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Speaker 2: was in the lineup two pitches a week to hit

490
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Speaker 2: and he'd hit him both out. So like, I think

491
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Speaker 2: people have forgotten his impact on the game, younger people

492
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Speaker 2: who haven't seen him play. But I think when they

493
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Speaker 2: look at the numbers and the magnitude of it, they go,

494
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Speaker 2: how was this guy not in? Why wouldn't he be

495
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Speaker 2: in the same as they thought about Pete Rose. So

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Speaker 2: I don't think this changes any of that, and it

497
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Speaker 2: doesn't do anything for me. I think he's in I

498
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Speaker 2: know who who he was and what he meant to

499
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Speaker 2: the game. So but the image stuff, I don't really

500
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Speaker 2: think he cares on that much.

501
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Speaker 3: No, he doesn't.

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Speaker 4: I think he's doing it because he just likes tucking

503
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Speaker 4: baseball and it's the Giant stadium he gets to, you know,

504
00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:20,159
Speaker 4: be home and go there. I think some of the

505
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Speaker 4: stuff he's done in recent years, like going to Rickwood

506
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Speaker 4: and talking to Murphy Marcus, that's because he wants to

507
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Speaker 4: talk about will.

508
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Speaker 2: I was about he'll do anything for William Mays. Absolutely,

509
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Speaker 2: I think a rod will do anything for himself. Yes,

510
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Speaker 2: a's about the image, don't think berry is.

511
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Speaker 4: The reason we bring this up is because that's a

512
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Speaker 4: common thing where you say, like if a guy had

513
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Speaker 4: kind of a checkered past or not really a great image,

514
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Speaker 4: if he goes into TV, it changes things and maybe

515
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Speaker 4: he creased their chances going to the Hall of Fame. Like,

516
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Speaker 4: I don't think that changes anything for Alex Rodriguez. I

517
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Speaker 4: think that regardless, you could think that he you know, was,

518
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Speaker 4: you know whatever. As a player, he's kind of a

519
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Speaker 4: cheese d when it comes to TV, but he's good

520
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Speaker 4: at it. Derek Jeter, nothing's going to change my opinion

521
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Speaker 4: of him. He was he was an all time great

522
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Speaker 4: and him being on TV, whether he's good or not,

523
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Speaker 4: that's not gonna change my opinion of him as a player.

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Speaker 2: That's a pretty good on TV. I think like he's

525
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Speaker 2: more He's fine.

526
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Speaker 3: He's a little more stern, he's a.

527
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Speaker 2: Little more Chaponis.

528
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Speaker 4: I kind of like, No, I like that too, say

529
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Speaker 4: anything with Tom Brady. He could suck at being an

530
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Speaker 4: analyst on Fox. He's still one of the greatest quarterbacks

531
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Speaker 4: of all time, if not the greatest quarterback of all

532
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Speaker 4: time with Bonds.

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Speaker 3: I think he just likes talking about the game. I

534
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Speaker 3: think he likes being involved.

535
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Speaker 4: I think that you know, the fact that it's it's here,

536
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Speaker 4: it's the Yankees, it's the Giants, it's on Netflix, they're

537
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Speaker 4: plot They're probably paying him a ton of money to

538
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Speaker 4: do this, and nothing's going to change his image as

539
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Speaker 4: far as getting to the Hall of Famous because he

540
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Speaker 4: does a couple of media appearances, whether it's going on

541
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Speaker 4: Baseball Tonight or or Sorry, or Sunday Night Baseball, or

542
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Speaker 4: doing an interview with Kaipe or you know whatever, he's

543
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Speaker 4: doing these days. But as far as like his image

544
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Speaker 4: of being maybe like a crusty guy, maybe not the

545
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Speaker 4: most friendly guy, not a great teammate, maybe that changes

546
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Speaker 4: with him being friendlier and being a Partn't know.

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Speaker 2: I just I think I think with all these new

548
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Speaker 2: Stredam services, we just want to hear different stories and

549
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Speaker 2: angles and the bigger names you can get. I mean,

550
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Speaker 2: it's often it's sort of like this is a kid

551
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Speaker 2: to me, is like the NBA on NBC saying we

552
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Speaker 2: did this big long Tariko MJ interview and we're gonna

553
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Speaker 2: play pieces of it throughout the year, like we needs

554
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Speaker 2: better than that. Though, Yeah, yeah, I hear you. I'm

555
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Speaker 2: just saying like it's because of the name recognition, but

556
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Speaker 2: the name recognition doesn't necessarily bring the best content. No,

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Speaker 2: it's I'm saying, no, it doesn't. It's a big get

558
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Speaker 2: to get Bury. Look, it's the best best player I

559
00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:21,760
Speaker 2: ever saw, best hit or I ever saw. I just

560
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Speaker 2: I believe anybody who saw him knows he should be

561
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Speaker 2: a Hall of Famer. We saw the steroid era and

562
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Speaker 2: we know he was far and away the best player regardless,

563
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Speaker 2: right right. I just even if it improves his image

564
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Speaker 2: doesn't change anything for his Hall of Fame status. I

565
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Speaker 2: don't really believe so, because that's not how it's it's determined.

566
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Speaker 4: I think you nailed to where it's not changing his

567
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Speaker 4: image or his chance is getting in the Hall of Fame.

568
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Speaker 4: It's just a name attached to something that needs to grow.

569
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Speaker 4: Where baseball starting out on streaming. We're getting this game

570
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Speaker 4: to start the season on Netflix, and the Rickwick game

571
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Speaker 4: is going to be the Field of the Dreams game.

572
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Speaker 4: I should say it's gonna be on Netflix as well.

573
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Speaker 4: So they want big names attached this thing. That's why

574
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Speaker 4: Al Michaels and Kirk Kerbstreet are doing Thursday Night Football

575
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Speaker 4: because it's a name. To me, this was this the

576
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Speaker 4: equivalent of like, let's say, you know, I don't know

577
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Speaker 4: what streaming platform is going to carry the Australia game

578
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Speaker 4: between the forty nine Ers and Rams, but let's say

579
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Speaker 4: for whatever reason, they have Jerry Rice as part of

580
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Speaker 4: the pregame show, and then Jerry Rice's not trying to

581
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Speaker 4: have a TV career.

582
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Speaker 3: It's just Jerry Rice. Barry Bond's not trying to go

583
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Speaker 3: on TV.

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Speaker 4: It's just a nice payday for him to be a

585
00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:19,640
Speaker 4: part of something new Jerry Ross exactly, but like Jerry,

586
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Speaker 4: like we've seen Jerry on TV before and he's you know, okay,

587
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Speaker 4: But as far as.

588
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Speaker 2: Like speaking of rass check out the oars ed Nick

589
00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:27,240
Speaker 2: degree exactly.

590
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Speaker 4: But like at this point, like it's just to get

591
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Speaker 4: Jerry's name attached to something that's trying to become, you know,

592
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Speaker 4: a new platform for sports.

593
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Speaker 3: That's what this is with Netflix and Barry Bond.

594
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Speaker 4: So I think it's just because they paid Barry a

595
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Speaker 4: lot of money and it's cool to have him there.

596
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Speaker 4: But like if we're anticipating he's going to be in media,

597
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Speaker 4: that's not going to happen, and then his perception and

598
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Speaker 4: his chance of the Hall of Fame probably don't increase,

599
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Speaker 4: either on a.

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Speaker 2: YouTube chatit or Guy Jack on Norkaus has Copland I

601
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Speaker 2: swear you have some of the worst takes. I said, well,

602
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Speaker 2: what didn't you like? What do you disagree with? He said,

603
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Speaker 2: if Pete Rose doesn't deserve to be in the Hall

604
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Speaker 2: of Fame because of gambling, then a Tani deserves the

605
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Speaker 2: same time treatment when his time comes. But nobody's willing

606
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:05,040
Speaker 2: to have that conversation. Okay, two different things here. My

607
00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:08,200
Speaker 2: take on Pete Rose was always that Pete Rose broke

608
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Speaker 2: a law or a baseball rule that was in place,

609
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Speaker 2: and the punishment was in place, like there was already

610
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Speaker 2: a precedent. So my logic was like, if he broke

611
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Speaker 2: the rule that we knew the punishment for was banishment

612
00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:21,959
Speaker 2: for life, then you have to serve that punishment. That's

613
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Speaker 2: what we established was the rule, and Baseball determined that

614
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Speaker 2: he was betting on games like say what you want.

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Speaker 2: It was a pretty shady situation. I don't disagree with

616
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Speaker 2: you about Otani, like if Atani were found guilty of these,

617
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Speaker 2: of being involved in any of this gambling, by all means,

618
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Speaker 2: he should have faced the exact sapity. The issue I

619
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Speaker 2: have is I don't know that anybody really believes the

620
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Speaker 2: Atani story as it was told to us is accurate

621
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Speaker 2: or true. That like, my belief is more that there's

622
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Speaker 2: no way dude didn't know what was happening to some extent.

623
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Speaker 3: That's more of my own idea.

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Speaker 2: Was he involved in the gambling, I'm not so sure

625
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Speaker 2: about that because we've seen the transcripts of epay and

626
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Speaker 2: we know what a lunatic gambler this guy was. How

627
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Speaker 2: addicted to gambling.

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Speaker 1: He was.

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Speaker 2: The Other part of this is none of the bets

630
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Speaker 2: Epe was caught up for how to do with baseball,

631
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Speaker 2: That's right. It was a lot of like international soccer

632
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:10,600
Speaker 2: and other things. So I'm like, even if Otani were

633
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:13,240
Speaker 2: caught for being involved in that illegal gambling stuff, he

634
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:15,399
Speaker 2: wasn't betting on the game of a team that he

635
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Speaker 2: was managing, though if he were betting on any baseball

636
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Speaker 2: he should face the same punishment. I think that that

637
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:23,479
Speaker 2: whole thing is shady. I think he knows more than

638
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:25,960
Speaker 2: was ever let on because his accounts weren't play But

639
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:28,600
Speaker 2: I don't really believe he was gambling on baseball, as

640
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,639
Speaker 2: there wasn't ever really evidence of any baseball being bet on.

641
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:34,800
Speaker 2: That said, I think Otani got a break. I think

642
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:37,159
Speaker 2: you got a break from any drama news because I

643
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,240
Speaker 2: don't know that he was guilty of anything except maybe

644
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:41,119
Speaker 2: knowing more than they led up.

645
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Speaker 4: He probably did, but there's no concrete evidence to say

646
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Speaker 4: that he was guilty of anything. So I mean, like,

647
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Speaker 4: I understand like Giants fans, you know, they see Otani

648
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Speaker 4: in the news with gambling and they won him ostracized

649
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:52,440
Speaker 4: from baseball, But that's not gonna happen where we have

650
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:55,080
Speaker 4: clear cut evidence of Pete Rose doing that. And yes

651
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Speaker 4: he was a manager, he was betting on his team.

652
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Speaker 4: It's much worse than what ever Otani's accused though.

653
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Speaker 2: Hey, Gay, he's like, why don't we ever bet on

654
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Speaker 2: my team to win? Okay, but on the seat on

655
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Speaker 2: the basil the days you met them to win? How

656
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 2: did you manage yesterday if knew you were today? Adam

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Speaker 2: Opening Day on Wednesday, the Giants and the Yankees from

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Speaker 2: Oracle Park to kick off the twenty twenties season, not

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Speaker 2: joining us to talk about it on the UMA guest Line.

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Speaker 2: He covers Major League Baseball for the Athletic It's you know, Sarrus,

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Speaker 2: what's up? You know, a long time not talk man.

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Speaker 5: How you been Yeah, great to hear from you. Thanks

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Speaker 5: for having me on.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, man, So have you have you been down to Scottsdale?

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Speaker 2: Have you been there the grape Fruit League? What's been

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Speaker 2: your preseason assignment?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: I have sworn off the grape Fruit League.

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Speaker 6: It is really really difficult to get around. You're up

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Speaker 6: It's just terrible Arizona for me. And you know, I

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Speaker 6: was sitting on the burm in Scottsdale and I think

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Speaker 6: that's my favorite burm too, because they've got trees in

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Speaker 6: the burn.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, And it was like ninety you know, in early March,

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Speaker 6: and we were very happy to have that shade. So

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Speaker 6: Scottsdale Stadium is really great, even if it's one of

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Speaker 6: the older ones.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 2: Sorry joined us here on the UMA guest line. So

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Speaker 2: we were just talking as it's March madness time about

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Speaker 2: Strella stories and Cinderella runs. We're discussing like the run

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Speaker 2: that Cleveland went on last year after being buried, and

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Speaker 2: two years ago you had Detroit. Is there a team

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Speaker 2: you looked at this year young talent maybe that wasn't

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Speaker 2: on the scene last year. It's poised to make a

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Speaker 2: jump and maybe some noise into the playoffs.

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Speaker 6: I think everyone's favorite as the Pirates. They're finally projected

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Speaker 6: to be above average. They spent some money in free

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Speaker 6: agency getting Marcelo Zuna and Ryan O'Hearn. They've got a

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Speaker 6: great rotation. I think that's a good one. The Reds

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Speaker 6: are a favorite of mine. The Royals are projected by

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Speaker 6: one group to win the Central there because they've got

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Speaker 6: a bunch of young hitters that hit the ball really

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Speaker 6: hard to make contact, which might sound familiar from the

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Speaker 6: last time the Royals were relevant on the stage. So

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Speaker 6: I think those are my favorite. Three young teams.

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Speaker 4: Talking to you osars on the UMA guess lines. So

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Speaker 4: you just put out your starting pitching rankings going into

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Speaker 4: the season and you have Logan Web ranked twelve, not

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Speaker 4: a bad ranking by any means, but what keeps them

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Speaker 4: out of the top ten for you.

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Speaker 6: It's just a question of strikeouts. It's mostly a fantasy ranking.

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Speaker 6: So strikeouts are a category some players. Some teams have like,

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Speaker 6: you know, like an innings cap, so you got to

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Speaker 6: get the most strikeouts you can out of every inning.

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Speaker 6: I do think, you know, last year's Logan Web, you know,

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Speaker 6: strikeout surge that was pretty cool. Had something to do

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Speaker 6: with his new cutter. But you know, by all intense purposes,

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Speaker 6: probably going to regress a little bit there, and he's

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Speaker 6: not you know, you know Gara, Crochet and Schoogle they

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Speaker 6: strike out thirty percent of the guys they see. Web

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Speaker 6: is around twenty one, twenty two, twenty three around league average,

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Speaker 6: you know.

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Speaker 2: I mean, pitching is kind of kind of your sweet spot.

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Speaker 2: You've done so much with stuff. Plus in that analytic

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Speaker 2: what's something fans misunderstand about about evaluating pitchers.

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Speaker 6: I mean, one of the most basic ones is that

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Speaker 6: a pitcher's current era is not predictive in any way.

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Speaker 6: So you know, if you're talking about how good a

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Speaker 6: picture is, it's better to talk about strikeouts and walks.

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Speaker 6: Those are really powerful and simple numbers that you can

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Speaker 6: talk about. It's even to talk about their whip that's

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Speaker 6: more predictive than their era. E ray is basically a

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Speaker 6: team stat because all every ball in play that you allow,

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Speaker 6: you know, the whole team has to get together to

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Speaker 6: make it out, and so that's a source of noise

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Speaker 6: where it can be defense, it can be lucked, it

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Speaker 6: can be the ballpark, any or sort of those things

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Speaker 6: can contribute to having a bad ERA. So that's the

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Speaker 6: one thing I'd say era is not predicted.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you on that one. It's what the

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Speaker 2: guy who's done and how he's fared among his teammates.

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Speaker 2: To this point, I think it's a great point. But

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Speaker 2: we've also seen a lot of trends, I mean baseball

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Speaker 2: and all sports or copycat kind of leagues. But like

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Speaker 2: the sweeper was one that was big in the last

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Speaker 2: couple of years. Is there a sweeper trend? What's the

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Speaker 2: next pitch to explode or what's the twenty twenty six

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Speaker 2: version of a trend.

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Speaker 6: For this year, well, I think last year's trend is

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Speaker 6: going to continue away. Last year was the kick change,

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Speaker 6: and that actually originated with the Giant with Hayden bird

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Speaker 6: Song was throwing a weird version of the changeup where

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Speaker 6: you kind of take your middle finger kind of.

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Speaker 5: Off the ball, or like up off the ball. It

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Speaker 5: looks a little bit like a.

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Speaker 6: Circle change, but you're really taking the middle finger off

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Speaker 6: the ball. That's a kick change. It's it's everyone's got

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Speaker 6: one now. It's it's a big it's a big trend.

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Speaker 6: But I think generally we've gotten better at dialing in

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Speaker 6: what happens with the seams and how the seams make movement,

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Speaker 6: and how you can use high speed cameras and things

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Speaker 6: like that to you know, figure out what grips are

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Speaker 6: best for each pitcher. So I think change ups are

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Speaker 6: the real innovation space right now. And if you look,

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Speaker 6: there are more and more pitchers like Paul Schemes has

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Speaker 6: two change ups, maybe three. And I think that while

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Speaker 6: we have guys that had three or four breaking balls,

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Speaker 6: at some point we're going to start having guys that

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Speaker 6: have two or three change ups in the future, and

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Speaker 6: we're going to really dializze in. Somebody's going to be

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Speaker 6: like I have a splitter, I also have a kick change,

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Speaker 6: and I have a straight change. You're gonna have people

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Speaker 6: that can they can use all three change ups to

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Speaker 6: good use.

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Speaker 4: You know, when you're evaluating declining stuff plus, how do

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Speaker 4: you weigh like age related to climb versus like injury recovery.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's a big one. I would just say generally,

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Speaker 6: stuff plus is most useful for guys who don't have

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Speaker 6: a track record, and so the most useful that stuff

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Speaker 6: LUSS can be is like a debut a prospect, someone

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Speaker 6: that you only have one or two or three games.

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Speaker 5: Then stuffless is one of those things. It's like batspeed.

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Speaker 5: It tells you something after.

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Speaker 6: One game or two games, which for fantasy players and

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Speaker 6: scouts can be really, really useful. The longer guy's been around,

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Speaker 6: the less it matters. Yamamoto, for example, doesn't have great

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Speaker 6: stuff plus, but he has two seasons now where he

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Speaker 6: struck out thirty percent of the batters he's seen. He's

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Speaker 6: been an ace. He just got the final out of

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Speaker 6: the World Series. Like, I'm not too worried about his

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Speaker 6: stuff plus anymore. When it does come to older pitchers

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Speaker 6: in spring. You know, some of these guys are leaving

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Speaker 6: bullets in the tank on purpose, and they think they're

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Speaker 6: going to, you know, get a couple of ticks between

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Speaker 6: now and opening days. Still, and other guys are actually injured.

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Speaker 6: So I'm really worried about a Carlos' devaz. He's throwing

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Speaker 6: eighty nine his stuff plus is terrible. He's supposed to

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Speaker 6: be the closer for the Royals. I am worried about

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Speaker 6: that because relievers should be able to ramp it up

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Speaker 6: pretty quickly.

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Speaker 5: But I don't know.

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Speaker 6: There's other guys whose stuff is down that I don't

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Speaker 6: know exactly how much, and then I rely on their

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Speaker 6: track record as pitchers.

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Speaker 2: Talking to you know ass here of the athletic covers

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Speaker 2: Major League Baseball, I'm always worried about aging pitchers, and

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Speaker 2: like the Giants were banking on some guys coming off

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Speaker 2: injuries this year. Plus you've got Robbie Ray, who had

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Speaker 2: you know, one full season in his last three and

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Speaker 2: he's in the final year of a contract, and an

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Speaker 2: aging pitcher. What's a sign you look for, or what's

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Speaker 2: a number even or something in your model you look

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Speaker 2: for when it comes to player regression.

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Speaker 6: Hmmm. I mean, it's it's silly to say, but I

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Speaker 6: would say something like fastball velocity is still.

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Speaker 5: Very predictive and it's one of the biggest parts of stuff.

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Speaker 6: Plus and yes, there's movement and pitch.

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Speaker 5: Types and all that sort of stuff.

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Speaker 6: So I mean something like the fact that Robbie Ray

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Speaker 6: had you know, one the second worst fastball velocity of

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Speaker 6: his career last year. You know, it's just part of

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Speaker 6: the aging process. I'm not saying he's going to go

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Speaker 6: off a cliff or anything, but that is something that

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Speaker 6: I look at when you're talking about aging. The other

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Speaker 6: thing I look at is declining strikeout rates. I mean,

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Speaker 6: the most powerful thing, like I said, is strikeouts minus walk.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: You know, last year he had twenty four point six

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Speaker 6: percent strike out rate. His career is twenty eight point four,

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Speaker 6: So you just know that he's on the on the

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Speaker 6: other side of his peak. He's thirty four. When there's

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Speaker 6: a bigger drop. Chotelli Managa with the Cubs had a

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Speaker 6: five percent drop in strikeout rate. That's when I really

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Speaker 6: circle Pitcher and say what was going on here? It

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Speaker 6: turns out probably was hurt last year.

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Speaker 2: Are the Giants doing anything interesting? Analytically compared to the

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Speaker 2: rest of the league.

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Speaker 5: They have in the past.

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Speaker 6: Right now, I can't say that anything sticks out.

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Speaker 5: I think when you.

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Speaker 6: Look at the acquisitions of Tyler, Mallley and and Adrian

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Speaker 6: and Hauser, one thing I can say about the back

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Speaker 6: end is that those guys both have good command and

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Speaker 6: multiple pitches.

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Speaker 5: And you know, I think that you know, you see

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Speaker 5: even the acquistion of Tidwell.

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Speaker 6: That's a larger arsenal. So I think that they are

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Speaker 6: are jumping onto that. In the past, they've had more command,

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Speaker 6: uh than other bullpens. I don't know if that's necessarily

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Speaker 6: true of this one. And uh, I think that one

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Speaker 6: thing that's kind of cool about what the Giants are

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Speaker 6: doing now it does remind me a little bit of

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Speaker 6: past teams offensively, where they put together a team that

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Speaker 6: mostly makes good contact around the team, around the around

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Speaker 6: the diamond. There's there's really not that many holes this

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Speaker 6: year offensively, and they've gotten back to their roots with

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Speaker 6: you know, good defense up the middle.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 6: It took them a while, it was hard to do,

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Speaker 6: but I think bader A, Domins and Bailey is one

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Speaker 6: of the best defensive uh, you know, trios up the middle.

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Speaker 4: They In a while talking to Enosars on the UMA

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Speaker 4: guest line, you mentioned spring era is not the most

873
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 4: important thing. So for fans, what should be the most

874
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 4: important thing when they're looking at a box score when

875
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 4: it comes to pitching.

876
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 5: It's those k's and walks.

877
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 6: I mean, that's that's the big thing for me, and

878
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 6: that's something that I think matters even in spring when

879
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 6: they're going against you know, uneven competition, because most of

880
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 6: the time what you'll see is the starters start at

881
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,280
Speaker 6: the beginning game and they're starting against you know, other starters,

882
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 6: you know, the other major league players. You know they're

883
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:35,399
Speaker 6: not if Robbie Ray's not pitching the sixth through ninth

884
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 6: when the you know, the the double as are out there,

885
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 6: so you can still get some signal from from strikeouts

886
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 6: and walks. Robbie's got fifteen strikeouts and fourteen innings. Atlanta,

887
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 6: Rope's got fifteen and thirteen innings and wizen Hunt. As

888
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 6: bad as the era looked, the velo was up, the

889
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 6: stuff was up. There was a new cutter, and he

890
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:57,800
Speaker 6: had fourteen strikeouts in nine and a third. I know,

891
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:00,360
Speaker 6: you know he's not going to open, you know, with

892
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:03,919
Speaker 6: the rotation. But I'm much more excited about seeing corson

893
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 6: Wisenhows this year than I was last year when the

894
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 6: VLO was down and he only had a sinker. You

895
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 6: have to have multiple fastballs in today's league.

896
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, he didn't. He didn't have enough last year in

897
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 2: the Arsenal when he came up. I'm excited about about

898
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 2: his stuff as well. I love talking ball with you,

899
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 2: you know, because he sees the game from a different perspective.

900
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:21,320
Speaker 2: You know, you're such an analytic guy. What's the baseball

901
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:22,839
Speaker 2: take you have that you think will get you yelled

902
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:23,959
Speaker 2: at on sports talk radio?

903
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 5: I mean I thought, maybe e Er is not predicted. Yeah,

904
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:35,399
Speaker 5: that's pretty tame. I guess it's a stat one.

905
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:42,320
Speaker 6: Oh. I think projections are the best actual way to

906
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 6: value a player, not actually looking backwards at what they've done,

907
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 6: but projections, because projections look at what they've done, but

908
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:54,319
Speaker 6: they take the most important parts of that and say

909
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 6: this is what they are Because the real question is

910
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 6: what is now. Right if you're saying how good is

911
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 6: the player now, you know, saying how good were they

912
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 6: last year? You're kind of saying how good are they tonight?

913
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 6: And the best way to do that is projections. So

914
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 6: I get yelled at for that one, But I think

915
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 6: projections are the best way to figure out how good

916
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 6: a players.

917
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 2: So when you look at like projection systems versus like

918
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 2: what teams believe internally, how big is that gap our

919
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 2: team's projecting correctly? I guess is the question?

920
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 5: Yeah?

921
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:22,399
Speaker 6: I mean, I just think that internally they have more

922
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 6: data that they can put into the projections. They have

923
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,319
Speaker 6: whole R and D teams that are really fine tuning them.

924
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 6: But I have heard from you know, R and D

925
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 6: people that public projections are pretty good. They use them

926
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 6: to benchmark their own so they'll say something like, oh,

927
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 6: steamer projections on fangraps. You know, if you can't be

928
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:43,239
Speaker 6: better than that, then there's no use doing it right,

929
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 6: So they use public ones to kind of benchmark and

930
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 6: you know what they can do that we can't do,

931
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 6: Like I would love to have in stuff plus biomechanical

932
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 6: markers like for example, change ups are one of the

933
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 6: things and stuff plus that bothered me all the time

934
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:02,359
Speaker 6: that not the best and stuff plus and change ups.

935
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 6: A major league team could put arm speed into their

936
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 6: stuff plus model or into their projection and now you

937
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 6: can start to say, oh, that guy's change up doesn't

938
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 6: move that interestingly, but it's the exact same arm speed

939
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 6: that he has on his fastball, and so you know

940
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 6: there's something there in terms of how good the change

941
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 6: up is.

942
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 5: So that there's stuff there that I would love to have.

943
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:26,320
Speaker 4: Sorry bout that a couple more minutes with Eosarus on

944
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:28,399
Speaker 4: the UMA guest line. Just going back to logan Web

945
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 4: for a second. If he were to jump in your

946
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 4: in your rankings as far as like a top tier pitcher,

947
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 4: what would he need to change in your opinion? Would

948
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:37,800
Speaker 4: it be velocity, pitch mix, or usage.

949
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 6: It would just need to be something that augmented his

950
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 6: strikeout rate, and he did do that to some extent

951
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 6: last year, but he's just not with the thinker. You're

952
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 6: going to allow more contacted so he's not going to

953
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 6: jump into that thirty percent strikeout rate. But you know,

954
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 6: in twenty twenty one he had a twenty.

955
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 5: Six point five. Last year at a twenty six point two.

956
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 6: I mean, if you could really maintain it, he was

957
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 6: last year the nineteenth best pitcher. So I guess the

958
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:07,800
Speaker 6: other thing would be to reduce balls and play somehow

959
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,840
Speaker 6: and maybe better defense behind him, whatever it is, his

960
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:14,320
Speaker 6: whip is high sometimes, so if he can just do

961
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 6: something with that, so you know, either strike more guys

962
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 6: out or allow fewer hits in play. The second is

963
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 6: something that you know, people don't even think pitchers can

964
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 6: necessarily have that much control over.

965
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 2: If we're sitting here on October, you know, what's a

966
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 2: storyline relevant to the Giants that plays out that you

967
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 2: would not be surprised by.

968
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:39,840
Speaker 6: That The Padres fall back, don't make the playoffs, and

969
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 6: the Giants are you know, I don't know if I

970
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 6: can't predict them to necessarily win the division, but are

971
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:48,360
Speaker 6: battling for it or playing meaningful games into September and

972
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:50,840
Speaker 6: are ahead of the Padres for the wildcard race. And

973
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 6: you know, among the teams that the Giants and Pirates

974
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 6: and Reds, those teams that I mentioned, they'll all be

975
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 6: battling for one of those wild card spots.

976
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 2: So you from an analytical standpoint, the Giants are on

977
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 2: their way to building a sustainably competitive roster. Are they

978
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 2: doing this right now?

979
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 5: Yeah?

980
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 6: I mean this The sustainability part is is the difficult part,

981
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 6: because they need to be bringing up young guys.

982
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 5: That are that are are killer, you know, pitchers or

983
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 5: hitters or whatever.

984
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 6: And there's some inkling of that maybe Elgers is going

985
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 6: to be that guy. And you know, I like tid

986
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:26,239
Speaker 6: Well and now Wooden Hunt a little bit, so that

987
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 6: something needs to happen in a player development because as

988
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 6: much as you can do in free agency, it would

989
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:34,880
Speaker 6: cost if you wanted to create a playoff team with

990
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 6: just free agent money, it would literally cost seven hundred

991
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,840
Speaker 6: million dollars. And you know, not even the Dodgers are

992
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 6: doing that. They have young players that are cheap for them,

993
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 6: you know, So you know, that's that's the thing I

994
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 6: harp on a lot, is player development. It needs to

995
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:51,360
Speaker 6: be a little bit better. Honestly in San Francisco.

996
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:53,880
Speaker 5: I like what they've done with the I like the

997
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 5: Devas trade.

998
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 6: I like putting together this roster. I like, you know,

999
00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 6: a lot of the free agentsc they've signed, but they

1000
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:03,840
Speaker 6: need to be augmenting this with more. Elliott Ramos's yeah, you've.

1001
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 2: Got to develop at the big league level. I think

1002
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 2: that's that's the hope for Vitello and the number of

1003
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 2: new developmental coaches they've brought in. Inosaius covers Major League

1004
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:12,879
Speaker 2: Baseball for the athletic with us on the UMA guess line.

1005
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 2: You know it's here man, less than a week away.

1006
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:16,319
Speaker 2: Excited to see at the ballpark this year. We'll talk

1007
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 2: to you soon, man.

1008
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 3: Thanks.

1009
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:19,800
Speaker 6: You know, yeah, we're opening it up for everybody, so

1010
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:20,359
Speaker 6: that'll be fun.

1011
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:23,240
Speaker 2: That'll be fun to catcher letter, you know, thanks Man, Thanks,

1012
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 2: good deal there. Make sure you check out his pitchure rankings.

1013
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 2: And he's a really really good analytics writer and a

1014
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 2: digestible writer in terms of how he writes about analytics

1015
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 2: because it came to dense. I mean, it can be

1016
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:34,840
Speaker 2: a nerdy sort of math. It's a lot lad and

1017
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 2: statistic and all that, but he's right and that like, yeah,

1018
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 2: rais a good note in terms of how a guy

1019
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 2: fared previously, how he has pitched. But when you look

1020
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 2: at the future and you were asking the question about

1021
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,439
Speaker 2: a box score, that's the first thing I look for, Yeah,

1022
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 2: is walks versus hits and number of innings pitch.

1023
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 3: That's what I usually.

1024
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 2: Drew Swimp is my number one.

1025
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1026
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't get into like all that stuff with

1027
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:55,720
Speaker 4: whip and era. I just look at you know, strikeouts, walks,

1028
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 4: all that stuff. But I like the way he puts

1029
00:41:57,640 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 4: it down like he he definitely goes into the weeds

1030
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 4: of all the stats and everything, but as you said,

1031
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 4: he makes it digestible.

1032
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 2: And I would say, sort of to the point he

1033
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 2: was making about guys having so many different fastballs and

1034
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 2: change ups now, like there's a lot of pitch tinkering

1035
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 2: that happens and pitchcrafting and the science behind it, how

1036
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:14,400
Speaker 2: they develop and they cook up a new pitch. But

1037
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 2: I think we're entering a new era where like pitch

1038
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 2: design and velocity kind of go hand in hand, Like

1039
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 2: you're watching Logan web succeed without throwing ninety eight. And

1040
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 2: I think we asked him at one point last year,

1041
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 2: like or Tom asked him I think when he was

1042
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 2: still here, like yeah, do you I mean, do you

1043
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 2: take pride in that throw ninety two and getting all

1044
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 2: those outs? And he goes, I mean, I'd love to

1045
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 2: rock back and throw ninety eight. I love it if

1046
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 2: that was in my arsenal, but it's not. So you've

1047
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 2: got to work around what it is that you have.

1048
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 2: That said, Paul Skein's throwing a hundred every time out

1049
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 2: his great but he's got to throw three different change

1050
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 2: ups to make sure, he's getting the odds that he needs.

1051
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:43,760
Speaker 2: You've got wizend Hunt who is getting swings and misses.

1052
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 2: But when he came up, he really had like two

1053
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:47,760
Speaker 2: pitches last year, Lensicam when he debuted in the majors,

1054
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 2: really had a fastball and a change up that split

1055
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 2: change and then develop that get it over curveball where

1056
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 2: he could give you a different look. So it's all

1057
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 2: about how how you navigate this stuff. But pitch crafting,

1058
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 2: I think we're hitting a new generation or developing a

1059
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:02,359
Speaker 2: new era here where we're seeing guys who throw hard

1060
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 2: but also have to get that movement back. It's not

1061
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 2: just all about blowing guys away. And that's something Barry

1062
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 2: Bonds has talked about at length that he felt like

1063
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:12,919
Speaker 2: his era was harder because of all the different deeds

1064
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:14,880
Speaker 2: you had to face. And I would grant him that

1065
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 2: that you could face because of you know, how many

1066
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 2: bullpen arms you could bring in for every hitter, you'd

1067
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:22,720
Speaker 2: see an entire bullpen sometimes over the course of a series,

1068
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 2: right versus now, you're not going to see everybody because

1069
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:26,879
Speaker 2: they got to throw a full inning or face three

1070
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 2: batters and whatnot. So it's just different but I think

1071
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 2: we are moving into a more diverse era in terms

1072
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 2: of all the velocity is there, but you need to

1073
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 2: have other weapons as well. Adam Copelandepop Dan done with

1074
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 2: you on a Thursday evening. Larry Kruger's coming up at

1075
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 2: the top of the hour with Niners and Diners Nightly.

1076
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 2: We'll tell you about that in just a little bit

1077
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 2: when we come on back. Some of the best sounds

1078
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1079
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1080
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1081
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Speaker 2: have a foundation beyond Steph Curry. Chris Weber revisited the

1082
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1083
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1084
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1085
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1086
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