1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,280 Speaker 1: And we continue at one oh five in the afternoon 2 00:00:03,320 --> 00:00:06,280 Speaker 1: on the John Phillips Show, Mister Randy Weggs in. 3 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 2: Culver City, John, the giant warehouse fire in Boyle Heights 4 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 2: is still burning. The food is still rotting, and that 5 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 2: means the ratsara coming. 6 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 1: Boy, this story just keeps getting better and better, doesn't it. 7 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 2: They say they'll try to have this thing out by Friday. 8 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 1: They'll try. Are there any ballots in that building? Eight 9 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 1: hundred two two two five two two two is the 10 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:38,319 Speaker 1: telephone number one eight hundred two to two five two 11 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:41,240 Speaker 1: two two. It is our pleasure to welcome our next 12 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:44,199 Speaker 1: guest to the program. She is the host of The 13 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 1: Orange Report with Kira Davis, which is news and views 14 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:50,920 Speaker 1: you can use from around Orange County, California. You can 15 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 1: get her online at just Kiratdavis dot com and follow 16 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 1: her on x at Kira Davis Cira Davis. 17 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 3: Welcome, Hey John, good to be here. 18 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:04,959 Speaker 1: Well, thanks so much for stopping vibe. So let's start 19 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 1: out with the election in New York State last night, 20 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:13,960 Speaker 1: where the socialist block that was endorsed by New York 21 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:18,039 Speaker 1: City Mayor Mom Donnie was successful. He got a hat 22 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 1: trick last night, including knocking out two Democratic incumbents, one 23 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 1: of whom being the chair of the Hispanic Caucus. So 24 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 1: you're not talking about a backbench or member here. You're 25 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 1: talking about someone in a position of leadership. He is 26 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:40,759 Speaker 1: actively trying to remake the Democratic Party into a socialist organization. 27 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 1: All of these individuals who won last night that he 28 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 1: supported members of the Democratic Socialists of America. Certainly we 29 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 1: have seen success from that group before, including Mam Donni himself, 30 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 1: who's now the mayor of New York City. But the 31 00:01:56,760 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 1: Socialists have elected a mayor in Chicago, in Seattle, and 32 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 1: they might even do it right here in California, in 33 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 1: Los Angeles. 34 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:13,799 Speaker 3: Well, it's not great news. I think that. I think 35 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 3: I'm very frustrated, John, because we've been talking about this 36 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 3: for a long time. I know you have too, but 37 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:23,919 Speaker 3: we've been talking about this for decades, at least fifteen 38 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 3: years since the Obama administration, about the rise of socialism, 39 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 3: how this left wing element was coming in making gains, 40 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 3: and the Republican Party didn't take us seriously. The mainstream 41 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:38,520 Speaker 3: media didn't take us seriously, the mainstream conservative media didn't 42 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 3: take us seriously. And here's what picks me off, John. 43 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 3: The Republican Party in California and across America has given 44 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:49,640 Speaker 3: up on the cities, and they gave up on the 45 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 3: cities a long time ago. That's half of Los Angeles's problem. 46 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 3: And we never made a play for these cities. And 47 00:02:57,480 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 3: I guess the strategy is just, well, we'll just you know, 48 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:02,800 Speaker 3: take the red rural areas and we'll work with that. 49 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:08,360 Speaker 3: And it's so shortsighted because it wasn't just about you know, 50 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:12,359 Speaker 3: the population of the city's blue versus red, left versus right. 51 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 3: It was that when we vacated those areas and stopped 52 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:18,640 Speaker 3: fighting for them, we created a vacuum, and the Democrat 53 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:23,960 Speaker 3: socialists came in and the Democrat Party shipped in millions 54 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:27,920 Speaker 3: of foreign voters. We can talk at length about all 55 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 3: those shenanigans, what was going on during the Biden administration, 56 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 3: but basically, what they were doing is shipping those people in, 57 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 3: dumping them into the urban areas, and then of course 58 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 3: they spread out to rural areas. So you've got millions 59 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 3: of new residents who aren't acclimated to America, have not assimilated. 60 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 3: They come from socialists or worse, communist countries. And they 61 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 3: come with all those values, and then in a state 62 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 3: like California, you can vote in, you can run for office, 63 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 3: even if you're from somewhere else. So we have just 64 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 3: given up these cities, and now it's kicking us in 65 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 3: our assets because our two major centers of commerce, Los 66 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 3: Angeles and New York, have been completely overrun by the 67 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 3: Democrat socialists. And if we don't do something very serious 68 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 3: very soon, this is going to be a nationwide battle 69 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:22,559 Speaker 3: and we're going to be looking at becoming a socialist country. 70 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:24,720 Speaker 3: We're going to be looking at becoming Europe. 71 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 1: Set the Republicans aside for a second, because last night 72 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:31,479 Speaker 1: was a primary. And whenever I would see one of 73 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:37,559 Speaker 1: these incumbent Democratic politicians interviewed and they would be asked 74 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:41,480 Speaker 1: about something outrageous that the socialist candidate did, what they 75 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 1: would do is they would say, yes, Donald Trump is evil, 76 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 1: and they would turn it into attack on an attack 77 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 1: on Donald Trump, and then they'd ask them a second question, 78 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 1: and then they turned that into yet another attack on 79 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 1: Donald Trump. They just ignored their opponents and never rebutted 80 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 1: their arguments head on. Why do you think they're so 81 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 1: reluctant to do that? Because these Democrats claim to be capitalists. 82 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:08,359 Speaker 1: Maybe they are, maybe they aren't. I don't know. But 83 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 1: if that's the position that you're publicly going to take, 84 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:14,280 Speaker 1: for heaven's sake, go out and defend it if it's 85 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 1: under attack, and if there's someone running against you as 86 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 1: a socialist, explain to the voters why that doesn't work. 87 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:23,280 Speaker 1: But they never did that. 88 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 3: Why would they do that, John, They don't believe that 89 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:33,039 Speaker 3: they are Democrats are opportunists. The modern Democrat Party, the 90 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:36,480 Speaker 3: moderate wing of the moderate Democrat of the modern Democrat 91 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:40,719 Speaker 3: Party is just the opportunist wing. That's why I'll go 92 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 3: back to my illegal alien point, which is they have 93 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 3: shipped in all these voters and now they have to 94 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 3: cater that base. Well, here's the other thing they've done, John, 95 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 3: they've gotten into bed with the anti Semites, and they've 96 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 3: gotten into bed with the Hamas crowd and the communist crowd. 97 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:03,359 Speaker 3: And so even if some of them genuinely have decent 98 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:08,839 Speaker 3: American values or lean towards that, they can't. Probably even 99 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:12,159 Speaker 3: the party itself has scolded them and told them not 100 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:14,840 Speaker 3: to do this. But they can't then go out and 101 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 3: advocate against their base. This is maybe the Achilles. Heel 102 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 3: of all this when it comes to the Democrats is 103 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 3: that that's their base now, the rabbit, anti Semis, pro Hamas, 104 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:32,039 Speaker 3: pro Palestine, whatever or whatever. That's the base. Now they 105 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 3: can't They have painted themselves into this corner and those 106 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 3: are the only people that they have that are voting 107 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 3: for them, because the modern Democrats aren't even voting Democrat anymore. Right, 108 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 3: we saw what happened in LA with Spencer Pratt and 109 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:47,839 Speaker 3: how many people came to the middle or came over 110 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:52,160 Speaker 3: to the right. Democrats who are saying and love America 111 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 3: can no longer vote with confidently with the Democrat Party. 112 00:06:57,320 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 3: So and they're not winning right wing voters. They're not 113 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 3: winning this soft middle that came over during the Trump campaign. 114 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 3: They have nothing that can win those people. Who do 115 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 3: they have to speak to, Who do they have to shore. 116 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 3: What's the base they got to show up? It's the lefties. 117 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 3: So they just cross their fingers and hope that there's 118 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 3: not enough of the DSA crowd to beat them, which 119 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 3: they found out last night, at least in New York City. 120 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 3: That's not true. They're in a corner. They can't advocate 121 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 3: against this base. This is their base. Now this is 122 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 3: the bed they made. Now they got to sleep in it. 123 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 1: When the No Kings protests were going on, I drove 124 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 1: by a couple of them, and I saw many pictures 125 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 1: posted on social media from those protests, and it didn't 126 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 1: matter what you were looking at. The crowd was all 127 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 1: the same. It was all people in their seventies, people 128 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 1: in their eighties. You saw a lot of silver hair, 129 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 1: You saw a lot of guys with ponytails. You saw 130 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 1: a lot of old ladies with the big Morty Seinfeld sunglasses. 131 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 1: We know the look of what those rallies look like. 132 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 1: You look last night. However, at the DSA parties after 133 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 1: those candidates won their primaries, and it was a very 134 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 1: different look. I think that the No King's rallies were 135 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 1: the traditional Democratic voters, But at the DSA rallies, what 136 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 1: you saw was an overwhelmingly young and overwhelmingly white crowd 137 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 1: where the candidates were people who became citizens fifteen minutes ago. 138 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 1: And it seemed like that's the model of what these 139 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 1: candidates and what these movements and what these campaigns look like. 140 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 1: Why do you think, demographically speaking, socialism is so appealing 141 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 1: to that young crowd. Let's say, the under thirty five crowd. 142 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 3: It's always been appealing to the under thirty five crowd. 143 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 3: That's where it originated, even you know, I mean in 144 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:59,559 Speaker 3: our modern history. So that's not a surprise. Let me 145 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 3: explain what's happening here. The difference is a really great point. 146 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 3: You make the difference between the crowds no Kings and 147 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 3: the DSA crawds. Listen, the No Kings wing of the 148 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:12,079 Speaker 3: Democrat Party. Those are the useful idiots. Those are the 149 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 3: hippie boomers. Those are my parents, right, They're the people 150 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:19,479 Speaker 3: who they're the spoiled brats of the sixties and seventies 151 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:22,960 Speaker 3: who now they just want to relive their glory days. 152 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 3: And they all have TDS, and so this is something 153 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 3: for them to do. They're retired, they're going to get 154 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:31,439 Speaker 3: their pension, they're going to get all their Social Security 155 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 3: payments that we're never going to get because they're going 156 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 3: to kill the system. They can enjoy that and they 157 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 3: can there for fun, they can go out and protest. 158 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 3: But listen, the DSA is using those people because they 159 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 3: hate those people too. Look at what happened in Dearborn, Michigan, 160 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 3: where the hippie boomer No Kings crowd went out and fought. 161 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:57,080 Speaker 3: They fought to elect a Muslim council. They fought for 162 00:09:57,120 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 3: it because diversity, inclusion, equity, all that. They fought for it. 163 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 3: And what did the dearborn Muslims do when they got 164 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 3: into power. They canceled Pride Day. They canceled all the 165 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 3: pride bs in the school. They did that, and then 166 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 3: the gay hippie boomers showed up. You get my video 167 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 3: of this. They're crying, they're talking, they're crying. We fought 168 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 3: worth you, we stood up for you, we stood up 169 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 3: against the right for you. What are you doing. They're 170 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 3: doing what they always said they were going to do. 171 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:26,200 Speaker 3: They'll use whoever they need to do to use to 172 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 3: get into power. So the No Kings weirdos are just 173 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 3: the useful idiots. It's those young DSA people. They're the 174 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 3: real voter, they're the real voting base, and their leaders 175 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 3: are very very dangerous, much more dangerous than those hippie 176 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 3: boomers understand, and they're just using them, and they're going 177 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:45,200 Speaker 3: to turn on them too. It'll be too late for them, 178 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 3: hopefully it won't be too late for all of us. 179 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 3: But look, of course, youth are disaffected in this country. 180 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 3: It's unaffordability, healthcare crisis, all this, you know, you name it. 181 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:57,080 Speaker 3: And again, if I could just speak to the Republican 182 00:10:57,120 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 3: weakness here, the way we left the city to fend 183 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 3: for themselves, we have left our youth to fend for themselves. 184 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 3: We haven't really been paying attention to what the future 185 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 3: the next twenty to thirty years are going to look like. 186 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 3: Republicans are infamously shortsighted. We'll look to the next election, 187 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 3: we won't look to the next thirty or forty years. 188 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 3: This is actually what I appreciate about President Trump. I 189 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 3: think he is focused on not the next three or 190 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 3: four years, but the next thirty or forty years. And 191 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 3: let's keep in mind he's not going to be here 192 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 3: for that. But that's what vision is. So we need 193 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 3: more people with more vision to help sell the vision 194 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 3: to the youth. But in New York City, of course, 195 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:37,559 Speaker 3: the only people that are left in the city to 196 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 3: vote are people on welfare or young, white rich liberals, 197 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 3: which have always made up the marxispace. 198 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 1: The Democratic Party only stands for one thing right now 199 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 1: to my eye, and that is that they hate Donald Trump. 200 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 1: Beyond that, they don't really have much to say. It 201 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 1: doesn't matter what you ask them about. It doesn't matter 202 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:00,440 Speaker 1: if they're running for a state office. And look at 203 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 1: all the candidates for governor who spent their time in 204 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 1: the debates talking about how they were going to abolish ice, 205 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:08,560 Speaker 1: or how they were going to fight Donald Trump, or 206 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 1: how they were going to do something that has nothing 207 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:13,680 Speaker 1: to do with the office that they were running for. 208 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 1: But they have one speed right now, and that's running 209 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:20,680 Speaker 1: against Donald Trump. The DSA, as screwed up as their 210 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:24,320 Speaker 1: beliefs are, they do stand for something. They will tell 211 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:26,719 Speaker 1: you they want to defund the police. They will tell 212 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 1: you they want an open border. They will tell you 213 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 1: that they want to make being a billionaire illegal. And 214 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 1: it seems like the Democratic Party is rudderless right now 215 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 1: where they don't really stand for anything. They're just reflexively 216 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 1: opposed to everything that Donald Trump is doing. And last 217 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 1: night they got nailed for it. 218 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 3: Yeah they did. I mean, and let's look at Hakeem Jeffries, 219 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 3: the minority House minority leader, his three candidates that he backed, 220 00:12:55,760 --> 00:13:00,559 Speaker 3: they were defeated. Now let's rewind just a little. This 221 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 3: is a couple less than a couple of years ago 222 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 3: where haw Keen Jeffries was preening and setting himself up 223 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:12,480 Speaker 3: to be the first minority majority leader in Congress, and 224 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 3: they were like the Hillary Clinton thing. They were pretty 225 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 3: sure he was going to walk into that he was 226 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:20,560 Speaker 3: going to be the future of the Democrats, and before 227 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 3: we know it, the future of the Democrats has completely 228 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:27,679 Speaker 3: changed its exactly. You're exactly right, John. They focused so 229 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 3: hard on Donald Trump and only Donald Trump, they lost 230 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 3: the base that was saying, okay, sure we hate Donald 231 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 3: Trump too, but also we would like to buy, we 232 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 3: would like to have a home, or I would like 233 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 3: to you know, have a pension, or I would like 234 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:46,199 Speaker 3: a better job. Whatever these people are asking for. And 235 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 3: as you say, the Democrat Party, the establishment Democrat Party, 236 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 3: had no answer for that. Again, this is why you 237 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 3: can't leave any political space undefended. You can't and you 238 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:02,719 Speaker 3: can't just be against something. That's how we were in 239 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 3: two thousand and eight when we elected Obama. Republicans were 240 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:09,640 Speaker 3: just against Obama. We were just against this ethereal concept 241 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:12,840 Speaker 3: of socialism. But we really weren't four much. John McCain 242 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 3: wasn't a great candidate, He wasn't four much, and we 243 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 3: paid the price for that, and I think modern Republicans, look, 244 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 3: Democrats are learning their own lesson, and it is a 245 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 3: tough lesson, and it's going to be a tough lesson 246 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 3: for all of us. But then on the other side, 247 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 3: Republicans have an opportunity to learn from this as well. 248 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 3: I think the Democrat Party should be concerned. I think 249 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 3: all of America should be concerned if this wing is 250 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 3: going to take over the other party in our two 251 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 3: party system. We don't have a two party system anymore, 252 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 3: and we're going to have to figure out how we 253 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 3: trash the Democrat Party then, because what we can't have, 254 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 3: John is a communist party as one of two major 255 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 3: parties in the United States. We can't have an Islamist 256 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 3: party as one of the two major parties. Our constitution 257 00:14:57,160 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 3: cannot bear it. We're going to have to come up 258 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 3: with some pretty drastic solutions here. 259 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 1: Do you think as I do, that we have now 260 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 1: been given enough warnings that the Democratic Party is going 261 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 1: to lose control over their primary in twenty twenty eight 262 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 1: and whoever the establishment choice is, whether it's Josh Shapiro 263 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 1: or Gavin Newsom or whomever, is really at risk of 264 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 1: losing that nomination to a DSA candidate, maybe AOC, maybe 265 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 1: someone else. 266 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:30,960 Speaker 3: It's hard to say. We might not. Now, let's keep 267 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 3: in mind that this DSA push is really it's on 268 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 3: the coasts right now. Now. They do have their tentacles 269 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 3: all across the US when we have to keep our 270 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 3: eyes open, but these are races that are on the coast, 271 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 3: so we I'm not sure how long that's going to 272 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:48,720 Speaker 3: take to spread to the rest of the party. Will 273 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 3: it sort of be in ful swing in twenty eight 274 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 3: I'm not sure it's a possibility. It's not good. Listen, 275 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 3: it's not going to be. They're not going to nominate 276 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 3: Josh Shapiro. They're not going to do it. He's Jewish. 277 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 3: They can't. I can't wait for Gavin Newsom to get 278 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 3: the primaries because he's going to pull a camel off 279 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 3: for sure and face plant and that'll be delightful to 280 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 3: watch if he doesn't get arrested before then. But I 281 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 3: think we'll see a push. If we don't see a dominance, 282 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 3: we will definitely see a push. We will definitely see 283 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 3: faces on that stage that we would have never seen 284 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 3: before that aren't the Berniees you know that are more dangerous. 285 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 3: At least Bernie still likes his money. But a lot 286 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 3: of these people are ideologues, and so that will see. 287 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 3: I don't know if AOC's going to be ready by 288 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 3: twenty eight, but we'll have to see how things. I 289 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 3: keep thinking things are going to take a while, and 290 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:43,600 Speaker 3: then everything's faster than I ever thought it would. But again, 291 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 3: I just want to reiterate, we're a critical math here, 292 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 3: and if everybody doesn't figure this out and we don't 293 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 3: come up with some real solutions here, this whole country 294 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 3: is going to be in big, big trouble. 295 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 1: Last question before you go, what's your read on the 296 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 1: LA mayor's race? Do you think it's going to be 297 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 1: Karen Bass or Nythia Ramen? 298 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 3: This what a ridiculous question that, like, why do I 299 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 3: have to even consider this? You know what I mean? 300 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 3: Who the hell is Nitia Ramen? She was an absolute 301 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:19,920 Speaker 3: non entity weeks ago and now we're actually looking at 302 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 3: her being the mayor of LA. First of all, what 303 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 3: I have to say is this is fraud. I don't 304 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 3: care who calls me a looney. I don't care who 305 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 3: calls me you know, just bias. I don't care. This 306 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:35,400 Speaker 3: is fraud. There was definitely fraud in Los Angeles. Who 307 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 3: do I think is going to win? I think Karen 308 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 3: Bass is gonna win because she knows the levers of Pole, 309 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:42,239 Speaker 3: She's got the connections. Nythia hasn't made her way up 310 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:45,919 Speaker 3: there yet. But make no mistake, you know, this is 311 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 3: just the beginning. We'll see if Los Angeles can survive 312 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 3: another four years of a Democrat. I feel very strongly 313 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:59,119 Speaker 3: that something drastic is going to happen before then, but 314 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 3: I just don't know what. And I think Spencer feels 315 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:03,920 Speaker 3: it too, and he's been and I think Spencer has 316 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 3: known that there's some other things that they have planned 317 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 3: for the city of LA that are going to be disastrous. 318 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:12,120 Speaker 3: How it all shakes out, I don't know. 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In moment, Susan Shelley joins us. 349 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:50,360 Speaker 1: Don't You Go Anywhere? Eight hundred two two two five 350 00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 1: two two two. Is the telephone number one eight hundred 351 00:19:53,640 --> 00:20:00,639 Speaker 1: two two two five two two two Coming up on Saturday, Randy, 352 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 1: you and I are going to be running at a 353 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 1: five k for the Union Rescue Mission. 354 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 2: How exciting is this? It is this Saturday, June twenty seventh, 355 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:10,879 Speaker 2: early in the morning. I'm gonna get there around seven. 356 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:13,719 Speaker 2: I think the race starts around eight. We're lacing up 357 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 2: for the Union Rescue Missions five K ten K walk 358 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:20,880 Speaker 2: run this Saturday at Griffith Park. It's a great morning 359 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:23,640 Speaker 2: for a great cause. We'll be there in person, running, walking, 360 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 2: or I don't know, someone's probably gonna bring a golf cart. 361 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:30,360 Speaker 2: Join team KABC, stop by and say hello. We'd love 362 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:33,200 Speaker 2: to meet you. Every step supports the incredible work the 363 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:35,919 Speaker 2: Union Rescue Mission is doing right here in Los Angeles. 364 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 2: Sign up today at RM dot org slash run walk 365 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 2: if you want to participate. 366 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:44,919 Speaker 1: It is our pleasure to welcome our next guest to 367 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 1: the program. She is a columnist for the Southern California 368 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:51,160 Speaker 1: News Group and host of the Howard Jarvis Radio Show, 369 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:55,400 Speaker 1: which heres Tuesday nights on KABC in LA and KSFO 370 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 1: in San Francisco. You can follow her on exit Susan 371 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:02,440 Speaker 1: Underscore Shell Susan Shelley welcome. 372 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 4: Thank you so much, John, great to be with you. 373 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:09,920 Speaker 1: So there is a lot of drama swirling on right 374 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:16,119 Speaker 1: now about your organization, the Howard Jarvis Taxpayers Association, because 375 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:19,680 Speaker 1: the mayor of Los Angeles, Karen Bass, came out on 376 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:25,159 Speaker 1: television yesterday in an interview with KNBC's Conan Nolan and 377 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 1: said that she has reached a deal with John Coupaul 378 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:33,200 Speaker 1: and the Howard Jarvis Taxpayers Association to pull your Save 379 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:38,479 Speaker 1: Prop thirteen initiative from the ballot. John Coupaul went on 380 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 1: KCRTV with Ashley Zavala in Sacramento yesterday and said no 381 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:48,480 Speaker 1: such deal exists and the initiative will be on the 382 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:53,040 Speaker 1: November ballot. What's going on here, Well, all. 383 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 4: I know is what the Howard Jarvis Taxpayers Association said 384 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 4: in a news release which is on its website, which 385 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:02,919 Speaker 4: says that they are not pulling the initiative. They are not. 386 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:06,680 Speaker 4: There was a deal that was made for a transfer 387 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:11,679 Speaker 4: tax cap statewide, but it didn't address the whole issue 388 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 4: of the two thirds vote requirement for local special taxes 389 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:19,679 Speaker 4: and this giant loophole that the courts created, so the 390 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:22,280 Speaker 4: deadline to pull it off the ballot is tomorrow at 391 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 4: five o'clock. To my knowledge, it is not going to 392 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:28,760 Speaker 4: be pulled off the ballot. Is we are fighting on 393 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:32,239 Speaker 4: for taxpayers unless something has been offered that I'm unaware of. 394 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 4: This is, this is a situation. You can read the 395 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:39,120 Speaker 4: press release right on the Howard Jarvis website at HJTA 396 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:40,920 Speaker 4: dot org under news. 397 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:44,880 Speaker 1: What's odd to me is whether or not it stays 398 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:49,199 Speaker 1: on or comes off is almost irrelevant in the sense 399 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:54,199 Speaker 1: that she's saying a deal already exists, and Jarvis is 400 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 1: emphatic at saying no, there is no deal. Why in 401 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:03,400 Speaker 1: the world would she public forum like that and make 402 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 1: a claim that's demonstrably untrue. 403 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 4: Well, it appears to me that she's not up to 404 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 4: date on the latest information. It could be that there 405 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:16,159 Speaker 4: are people who told her, yes, can you hear me? 406 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 4: Can you hear me? 407 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 1: We just lose Susan. 408 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:21,640 Speaker 2: No, Susan's on, hold on, hold on, hold on? Did 409 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 2: this thing crap out now, Susan? You hold on for once, Susan. 410 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 2: We're testing our video, our capabilities, and I think we 411 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 2: just had the same issue that we keep having where 412 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:39,200 Speaker 2: now all of a sudden, Johnny can't hear us. That's new. Uh, Johnny, 413 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 2: you can't hear anything, are you there? Okay, we're going 414 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 2: to have go to clean feed. Susan, hold on right there. 415 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:47,760 Speaker 2: We're going to get right back to you, clean Feed. 416 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:51,320 Speaker 2: Uh oh, Susan. Why don't you go ahead and continue 417 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 2: explaining what exactly the Save Prop thiranteen Act will do 418 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 2: when people get the chance to vote on it in November. 419 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 4: Okay, Well, there there have been some efforts to make 420 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,960 Speaker 4: it easier to raise your taxes, and this came through 421 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:09,200 Speaker 4: the court because the state constitution says that special taxes, 422 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:12,359 Speaker 4: when the money is earmarked, need a two thirds vote 423 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:15,680 Speaker 4: to pass. But the Court's carved a loophole. It said, well, 424 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:20,560 Speaker 4: if a citizens group decides to do a petition to 425 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 4: put a tax increase on the ballot, if citizens want 426 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:26,960 Speaker 4: to raise their own taxes, the constitution doesn't apply. Well, 427 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:29,440 Speaker 4: we dispute that. We think this is a giant loophole 428 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 4: for special interest to write their own tax increase, direct 429 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:36,120 Speaker 4: all the money to themselves, and then collect signatures, put 430 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:38,880 Speaker 4: it on the ballot, and evade the two thirds vote requirement. 431 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:41,680 Speaker 4: We have been trying to close this loophole, and the 432 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:45,439 Speaker 4: measure that is on the ballot in November, the Local 433 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 4: tax Payer Protection Act to Stay Propped thirteen. 434 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 3: Will do that. 435 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 4: It will close that loophole, and it will say two 436 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:53,359 Speaker 4: thirds means two thirds no matter how it gets on 437 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,200 Speaker 4: the ballot. It's very simple. We're making it harder to 438 00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 4: raise your taxes. And the other thing it does is 439 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 4: it deals with real estate transfer taxes, which are also 440 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:03,879 Speaker 4: prohibited by the state constitution. 441 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:05,000 Speaker 3: You can look it up. 442 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:09,240 Speaker 4: It's in Article thirteen a section four put there by Prop. Thirteen. 443 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:14,359 Speaker 4: Once again, the courts have created exceptions where sometimes the 444 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,159 Speaker 4: real estate transfer tax is allowed. It's like a sales 445 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 4: tax on real estate. And Howard Jarvis prohibited those in Prop. 446 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:24,280 Speaker 4: Thirteen because he felt they were just trying to take 447 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 4: back all the savings the people had had from the 448 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,159 Speaker 4: tax cut that was Top thirteen. But it wasn't a 449 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:32,960 Speaker 4: tax deferral. It was a tax cut, and he didn't 450 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 4: want the governments trying to take it back again. So 451 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:38,960 Speaker 4: transfer tax were prohibited. The courts have allowed them. We 452 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 4: are prohibiting them again, and some of these taxes will 453 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,640 Speaker 4: be rolled back in two years if they're no longer legal. 454 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:48,119 Speaker 4: They will be, they'll be phased out over two years. 455 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 4: It gives the cities an off ramp to replace that 456 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:54,199 Speaker 4: revenue with something that's allowed by the constitution and approved 457 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,560 Speaker 4: by the voters. So that's what we're up to. We're 458 00:25:56,640 --> 00:26:00,199 Speaker 4: trying to make it harder to raise your taxes. As 459 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,640 Speaker 4: I know, unless something has happened that the one's told 460 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 4: me yet, it will be on the ballot in November. 461 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:08,920 Speaker 4: We think it's very important that taxpayers have an opportunity 462 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,680 Speaker 4: to make clear that they are taking back their rights. 463 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:13,240 Speaker 4: That's what we're doing. 464 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:18,119 Speaker 1: Susan, is there back here? Hi? 465 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:18,360 Speaker 3: There? 466 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:20,639 Speaker 1: I want to go back to Karen Bass here for 467 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 1: a moment, because right now you have pressure that's being 468 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:28,879 Speaker 1: put on any number of organizations who have initiatives that 469 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:32,080 Speaker 1: have qualified for the ballot. We know that NEWSIM is 470 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 1: putting pressure on the SEIU to drop the billionaire tax confiscation. 471 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 1: We know that there are competing uber initiatives that may 472 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:44,240 Speaker 1: or may not be end up on the ballot in 473 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 1: this particular case. The people who are trying to influence 474 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:52,719 Speaker 1: the Howard Jarvis Taxpayers Association don't really have a lot 475 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:57,160 Speaker 1: of sway over that group. Karen bass is someone who 476 00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:01,359 Speaker 1: was not endorsed by the Howard Jarvis Taxpayers She's not 477 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 1: someone that you guys have worked particularly close with. Galvin 478 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:08,560 Speaker 1: Newsom would fit that bill as well. So there's not 479 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 1: a lot of pressure that they can put on you 480 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:15,399 Speaker 1: guys that would impact your final decision. But I do 481 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:19,639 Speaker 1: know that in Sacramento, many Republicans who are in the 482 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:23,440 Speaker 1: state legislature, who are in the super minority, are willing 483 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 1: to play ball with the Democrats when it benefits them. 484 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,159 Speaker 1: We know, for example, that it was the Republicans that 485 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 1: put Cap and Trade over the top when vulnerable Democrats 486 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 1: didn't want to vote for it. The Republicans in Sacramento, 487 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 1: who want to be invited to the fun parties and 488 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 1: want the nice office space and want to be able 489 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 1: to go on all the junkets, are willing to do 490 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:47,480 Speaker 1: the dirty work for the Democrats when they're called upon 491 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:52,680 Speaker 1: to do so. Have any Republicans in the legislature put 492 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:56,960 Speaker 1: pressure on the Howard Jarvis Taxpayers Association to pull this 493 00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:58,640 Speaker 1: initiative off the ballot. 494 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:03,680 Speaker 4: I'm aware of the pressure is mostly being placed on 495 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:07,280 Speaker 4: people who would contribute to the campaign, so it costs 496 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,840 Speaker 4: a lot of money to do a statewide campaign in California, 497 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,240 Speaker 4: and I think the pressure is being put on different 498 00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:16,159 Speaker 4: business groups not to support this effort. But there are 499 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,879 Speaker 4: other business groups that really are very concerned about these 500 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:22,560 Speaker 4: out of control tax increases through these loopholes, and they 501 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:24,520 Speaker 4: would like to they would like to shut that down, 502 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,680 Speaker 4: and I think they will support this campaign. But you're 503 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:29,879 Speaker 4: certainly right, there's a lot of deal making, there's a 504 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:35,320 Speaker 4: lot of pressure. But this is the Howard Jervis Taxpayers Association. 505 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 4: We fight for taxpayers, and certainly they don't have anything 506 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,480 Speaker 4: they can withdraw from us because they haven't given us 507 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:45,560 Speaker 4: anything in Sacramento. If they say you'll never eat lunch 508 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:47,360 Speaker 4: in this town again, well we're not eating lunch in 509 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 4: this town. Now. They just come after us all the time. 510 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 3: You know, what are they going to do to us? 511 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:55,680 Speaker 4: So I mean that it's something violent. I don't think 512 00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:57,440 Speaker 4: they have anything to threaten us with. 513 00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you, given the fact that they're acting 514 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,800 Speaker 1: as if this initiative is a five alarm fire, particularly 515 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 1: for Karon Bass and the city of Los Angeles, I 516 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:11,400 Speaker 1: don't think that they would just do what they're doing. 517 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,840 Speaker 1: If they didn't have some kind of polling data that 518 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:18,360 Speaker 1: came from someone they trust saying if this thing gets 519 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,600 Speaker 1: on the ballot, it's going to pass. I know, for example, 520 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:26,320 Speaker 1: that's why Newsom is terrified of the billionaire confiscation tax, 521 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:30,480 Speaker 1: because the polling data that is available says, you put 522 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:34,200 Speaker 1: that on the ballot, it passes. I would imagine that 523 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:37,640 Speaker 1: there are similar numbers that exist for this initiative that's 524 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:39,720 Speaker 1: scaring the living, but Jesus out of them. 525 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,800 Speaker 4: I think so. I think the cities have adapted to 526 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 4: this upland loophole where they can work through a union 527 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:49,800 Speaker 4: and they can get a tax increase through the fire 528 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:53,680 Speaker 4: department union or the police union or some other union 529 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:57,840 Speaker 4: of the healthcare unions. They can call it a citizen's initiative. 530 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,160 Speaker 4: It's really coming from the same people. It's coming from 531 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,400 Speaker 4: the government, but it doesn't have to meet the two 532 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,240 Speaker 4: thirds threshold if it gets on the ballots for signatures. 533 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:09,120 Speaker 4: And this is this is not something that's in the constitution. 534 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:12,680 Speaker 4: This was totally invented by a series of court decisions. 535 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:16,280 Speaker 4: And nobody would have come up with this system and said, yeah, 536 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 4: that's a good idea, let's require a two thirds vote 537 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:21,680 Speaker 4: for special taxes and then create this giant loophole for 538 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,840 Speaker 4: the governments to get around it. We're not on board 539 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,960 Speaker 4: with that. People are paying billions of dollars in taxes 540 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,720 Speaker 4: that did not meet the required two thirds threshold, like, 541 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:35,600 Speaker 4: for instance, Measure A in La County in twenty twenty four, 542 00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:40,000 Speaker 4: which was in an upland exception sales tax increase for 543 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:43,600 Speaker 4: homelessness services. You're paying a billion dollars a year in 544 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:47,960 Speaker 4: La County in sales taxes for this upland tax. It 545 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,320 Speaker 4: should not have passed because it didn't get to two thirds. 546 00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:53,160 Speaker 4: There's a lot of that going on. Measure ULA, though, 547 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,960 Speaker 4: so called mansion tax, was one of these upland taxes, 548 00:30:56,360 --> 00:31:00,120 Speaker 4: went through all kinds of loopholes, and it's tanking the 549 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,320 Speaker 4: real estate market in the city of Los Angeles. And 550 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:05,720 Speaker 4: if anyone had put it through the normal process, they 551 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,560 Speaker 4: probably wouldn't have done something like this, at least not 552 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,200 Speaker 4: at the rate that they did at four percent and 553 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:14,400 Speaker 4: five and a half percent, which is just devastating for 554 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,320 Speaker 4: developers who want to build and sell something. So this 555 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:22,120 Speaker 4: is all crazy that the courts have enabled this workaround, 556 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,840 Speaker 4: and it really needs to be shut down. So if 557 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:29,080 Speaker 4: there's deal making going on that I'm unaware of, it's 558 00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:31,480 Speaker 4: going to have to be something that benefits the taxpayers 559 00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:35,480 Speaker 4: quite a lot, because how does the Howard Jarvis Taxpayers 560 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,600 Speaker 4: Association take it off the ballot just because for no 561 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:40,200 Speaker 4: reason I don't see that happen. 562 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,800 Speaker 1: I'll tell you what else I think scares Karen Bass 563 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:51,280 Speaker 1: and Gavin Newsome with your initiative. Typically they're very good 564 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:55,320 Speaker 1: at running and winning races where it's red versus blue, 565 00:31:55,880 --> 00:32:01,000 Speaker 1: Republican versus Democrat, conservative versus liberal, and I think that 566 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:05,800 Speaker 1: historically speaking, they regard tax bills as something that they 567 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:10,080 Speaker 1: can frame that way, where Republicans say, we're tax too much, 568 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:13,520 Speaker 1: the government does too much, people should do more for themselves, 569 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,440 Speaker 1: and the Democrats say, no, we need more taxes, we 570 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,560 Speaker 1: need more public services, the government should do more for 571 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:24,880 Speaker 1: its population. If the debate centered around those terms, I 572 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:29,800 Speaker 1: think they win right now. The issue becomes people are 573 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:34,680 Speaker 1: concerned more about affordability in California than anything else. That's 574 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:38,200 Speaker 1: true with Republicans, it's true with Democrats. It's true with independents. 575 00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:40,480 Speaker 1: It's true with people in LA It's true with people 576 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:42,720 Speaker 1: in San Francisco. It's true with people in San Diego. 577 00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:47,240 Speaker 1: Affordability is something that everyone in this state absent, maybe 578 00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,960 Speaker 1: a handful of people are very concerned about. And if 579 00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:56,000 Speaker 1: you increase the tax burden dramatically on the population, you 580 00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:59,800 Speaker 1: are going to make the state unaffordable, particularly if it's 581 00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:03,400 Speaker 1: for something that everyone needs a home. If it's a 582 00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,920 Speaker 1: tax on cigarettes or some kind of syntax, or a 583 00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:10,120 Speaker 1: tax on alcohol, whatever, maybe they'd sign on to that. 584 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,520 Speaker 1: But everyone needs a place to live, Everyone needs a home. 585 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:17,800 Speaker 1: And if you guys get your initiative through, California will 586 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:22,760 Speaker 1: be more affordable. There's no question about that. I think 587 00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:25,520 Speaker 1: that's what they're afraid of. I think they see themselves 588 00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,200 Speaker 1: as being behind the eight ball if this gets on 589 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:31,040 Speaker 1: the ballot due to that issue of affordability. 590 00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:35,240 Speaker 4: I think you're exactly right. And we have seen in 591 00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:38,320 Speaker 4: statewide races and even in local tax races, but it's 592 00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:41,840 Speaker 4: certainly not eighty twenty in favor of tax increases. It's 593 00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:45,320 Speaker 4: more the other way. So I think you're exactly right. 594 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,760 Speaker 4: You can't paint this as red versus blue. It's affecting everybody. 595 00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:52,320 Speaker 4: Howard Jarvis Taxpayers Association is trying to make it harder 596 00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,240 Speaker 4: to raise taxes and people are going to scream yes 597 00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:56,040 Speaker 4: when they hear that. 598 00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,600 Speaker 1: What do you make of the fact that your message 599 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,920 Speaker 1: has really, of all places in the state of California, 600 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:10,720 Speaker 1: really resonated in San Francisco, where the overpaid CEO tax 601 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:14,799 Speaker 1: that was on the ballot went down, Other tax initiatives 602 00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:18,680 Speaker 1: on the ballot in the Bay Area went down. It 603 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:22,280 Speaker 1: seems that the Bay Area is now more anti tax 604 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,319 Speaker 1: than Los Angeles, even which if you were to say 605 00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,160 Speaker 1: that to someone and let's say the nineteen eighties or 606 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:30,719 Speaker 1: the nineteen nineties, they would look at you like you 607 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:31,520 Speaker 1: were on drugs. 608 00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:33,399 Speaker 3: Yeah. 609 00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:37,200 Speaker 4: Well, San Francisco was the first one to push through 610 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:40,719 Speaker 4: an upland tax. They wanted to do a commercial real 611 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,800 Speaker 4: estate tax within tax I think on any kind of 612 00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:47,200 Speaker 4: lease on a commercial real estate property, and they wanted 613 00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,720 Speaker 4: to use the money for early education. And they didn't 614 00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:51,640 Speaker 4: think they could get to two thirds. So two of 615 00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:55,799 Speaker 4: the supervisors did an initiative, as in their role as citizens, 616 00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:59,560 Speaker 4: the government pretended to be not government and did an 617 00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:03,120 Speaker 4: initiation gift and it passed by not even fifty one percent, 618 00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:07,120 Speaker 4: and they declared it passed, and they went to court. 619 00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:08,800 Speaker 4: We all went to court. To sue over it, and 620 00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,880 Speaker 4: we all lost, and that's how we have this upland exception. 621 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,680 Speaker 4: So San Francisco was already at the point where they 622 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:16,960 Speaker 4: couldn't get a two thirds vote for a tax increase. 623 00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:20,759 Speaker 4: All they could get was barely fifty percent plus one, 624 00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:25,680 Speaker 4: and that was twenty eighteen. So clearly they have pushed 625 00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:29,480 Speaker 4: too far, too many tax increases, driving too many businesses out, 626 00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,480 Speaker 4: driving too many jobs away, and people have had it, 627 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:35,359 Speaker 4: and I'm glad to see that the pendulum is swinging there. 628 00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:36,520 Speaker 4: Maybe this helped for Los. 629 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:40,120 Speaker 1: Angeles when you look at the signatures that you guys 630 00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:43,960 Speaker 1: were able to put together, which is a herculean task 631 00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:48,000 Speaker 1: to accomplish, but you guys did it getting the number 632 00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,759 Speaker 1: of signatures that the state requires to put it on 633 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:55,360 Speaker 1: the ballot. Were there any particular counties that disproportionately showed 634 00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:59,279 Speaker 1: up on your list where support was a given and 635 00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:01,560 Speaker 1: you guys had no problem getting signatures. 636 00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:05,840 Speaker 4: To my knowledge, we had no problem getting signatures anywhere. 637 00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,920 Speaker 4: Everyone was willing to sign something that makes it harder 638 00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:12,160 Speaker 4: to raise taxes. Everybody is feeling it. They're feeling it 639 00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:15,120 Speaker 4: in gasoline and food costs, and a lot of it 640 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:19,320 Speaker 4: is worse in California because of just blithering idiocy and 641 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:23,640 Speaker 4: the policies related to energy in particular where because of 642 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:27,760 Speaker 4: this climate alarmism that that they've used for political purposes, 643 00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,040 Speaker 4: similar I think in the way they use the anti 644 00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:34,439 Speaker 4: Trump rhetoric for political purposes, whatever is polling well there 645 00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:38,319 Speaker 4: for that. So the climate stuff is very expensive. If 646 00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:41,799 Speaker 4: you raise the cost of electricity and gasoline, which they 647 00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,680 Speaker 4: did with these cap and trade programs that require these 648 00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,960 Speaker 4: extra permits, it raises the cost of everything in California. 649 00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:51,320 Speaker 4: And they've restricted housing construction because of a fear of 650 00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:54,560 Speaker 4: driving because too much driving. We can't hit our climate targets. 651 00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:58,160 Speaker 4: We should pause the climate targets. That would make everything 652 00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:01,800 Speaker 4: more affordable. But certainly the answers not to raise taxes, 653 00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,440 Speaker 4: which is what they are doing in order in many 654 00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,680 Speaker 4: cases to fulfill these climate mandates of building bike lanes 655 00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,239 Speaker 4: or whatever to try and get greenhouse gases down. This 656 00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:14,719 Speaker 4: is craziness. These are idiotic policies, and the people who 657 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:18,680 Speaker 4: have put this into place are still in office and 658 00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:21,520 Speaker 4: they're not being accountable for what these decisions are doing 659 00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,080 Speaker 4: to people's lives. I just want to raise taxes and 660 00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:25,959 Speaker 4: we're going to stop that part of it if we can. 661 00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:32,040 Speaker 1: Well, tomorrow is the deadline. We will know tomorrow by 662 00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:36,120 Speaker 1: the close of business. If this Howard Jarvis sponsored initiative 663 00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:39,320 Speaker 1: is going to be on the November ballot. Howard Jarvis 664 00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:42,640 Speaker 1: says it is. The Mayor of Los Angeles says it isn't. 665 00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:45,520 Speaker 1: And if it is going to be on the November ballot, 666 00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:47,960 Speaker 1: boy is the mayor going to have egg on her face. 667 00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:53,000 Speaker 1: Susan Shelley, columnist at the Southern California Newsgroup, host of 668 00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:56,600 Speaker 1: the Howard Jarvis radio program, which airs on KABC in 669 00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,719 Speaker 1: LA and Kate SFO in the Bay Area. Thanks so 670 00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:00,759 Speaker 1: much for stopping by. 671 00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:02,600 Speaker 3: Thank you, Jean. 672 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,239 Speaker 1: It's the John Phillips Show. Eight hundred two two two 673 00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:11,160 Speaker 1: five two two two. Is telephone number one eight hundred 674 00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:14,360 Speaker 1: two two two five two two two. Randy, what do 675 00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:16,759 Speaker 1: you think is the impulse of Karen Bass going on 676 00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,800 Speaker 1: television and saying that she had cut a deal with 677 00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:24,400 Speaker 1: HJTA when they're on TV on the same day saying 678 00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:26,440 Speaker 1: there is no deal, that's not true. 679 00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,759 Speaker 2: Well, I'm wondering if what happened here was that, So 680 00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,640 Speaker 2: she was at a sit down, a fireside chat with 681 00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:36,800 Speaker 2: the Hollywood Chamber of Commerce, and maybe, just maybe she 682 00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:38,880 Speaker 2: didn't have a very good answer, because we don't know 683 00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,240 Speaker 2: what the question was that led up to that clip 684 00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:43,480 Speaker 2: that went out there. They haven't put out that whole interview, 685 00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:47,200 Speaker 2: but I'm imagining the question that Conan probably asked was 686 00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,440 Speaker 2: where are you going to find the money that you're 687 00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:53,880 Speaker 2: about to lose when this thing passes? And she didn't 688 00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:55,920 Speaker 2: have a good answer for it, so she went to 689 00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:58,000 Speaker 2: the Oh, that thing's not gonna make it. I don't 690 00:38:58,000 --> 00:38:59,040 Speaker 2: know what you're talking about. 691 00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,560 Speaker 1: And the working assumption is that Gavin can just lean 692 00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:05,600 Speaker 1: on whoever he needs to lean on to force them 693 00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:06,880 Speaker 1: to do what he wants them to do. 694 00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:12,320 Speaker 2: Well, you have to get the proponents to agree to that, 695 00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:14,600 Speaker 2: which means you need to give them something, and so 696 00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,280 Speaker 2: far they haven't given them anything. 697 00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:21,080 Speaker 1: All Right, We've got one more hour to go right 698 00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:22,600 Speaker 1: here on The John Phillips Show.