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And for the top story today, Randy, 20 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 3: it's time for someone to get the governor a pacifier. 21 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 3: Gavin Newsom, the governor of California, may be in a 22 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 3: little bit of trouble with one of the best reporters 23 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 3: we have in the state of California, CBS News investigates 24 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 3: as Julie Watts, because Gavin Newsom did a very Gavin 25 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 3: Newsom thing. He made a bold, big proclamation that nobody 26 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:41,320 Speaker 3: was asking for, said that this was going to be 27 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 3: a game changer, and left the details in the follow 28 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 3: through to somebody else. Gavin Newsom held a press conference 29 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 3: about two months ago talking about how the state of 30 00:01:54,640 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 3: California was going to guarantee diapers. I believe like four 31 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 3: hundred diapers to every single new parent in the state 32 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:09,919 Speaker 3: of California guaranteed diapers. Although most experts when you ask 33 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 3: them about this program say, you know, the kids change 34 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 3: sizes real quick, so I don't know if that's really 35 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 3: gonna make any sense. But when you offer a brand 36 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 3: new service to the residents of California, it means that 37 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:27,800 Speaker 3: you're going to need to have a contract with a vendor. 38 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:31,080 Speaker 3: And the vendor that got the funding for this brand 39 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 3: new push in the state of California was a nonprofit 40 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 3: called Baby to Baby And what do you know, there 41 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 3: are some links between the people at Baby to Baby 42 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:46,640 Speaker 3: and Jennifer C. Bold Newsom, Gavin Newsom's first partner. That 43 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 3: all being said, there's a lot of questions to be 44 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 3: asked about was there an actual bidding process for this 45 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 3: diaper contract? And guess who's not answering any of those questions, 46 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:00,120 Speaker 3: Gavin Newsom. 47 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:04,119 Speaker 1: Now, when you first told me about this and suggested 48 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 1: that there might be some corruption, I thought to myself, 49 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 1: maybe it was a bribe to Joe Biden so he 50 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 1: could get an appointment in the administration, because if he 51 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:19,079 Speaker 1: could provide adult diapers to the White House, that would 52 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:21,919 Speaker 1: certainly put him in a plump position. 53 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:27,920 Speaker 3: I don't think this plan was about adult diapers, but 54 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 3: if it was successful, I don't know if Baby to 55 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 3: Baby has a subsidiary that's Grampy to Grampy. 56 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 1: Well, maybe Joe was going to go see the Pope 57 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 1: again he needed them the first time. 58 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 3: Well for more on this incredible story and the fight 59 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 3: to just get the basic details. What was in the 60 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 3: contract that we signed to have the state of California 61 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 3: buy millions and millions of diapers? Here is a report 62 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 3: from our friend Julie and CBS News California investigates. 63 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 1: Forty million diapers, as many diapers will be distributed this 64 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 1: year as Californians. 65 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 4: That was forty million diapies. 66 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 2: That's a lot of diapers. 67 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:16,919 Speaker 5: Governor Gavin Newsom about two months ago at a press 68 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 5: conference announcing California's new free diaper program and a multi 69 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 5: million dollar contract with a nonprofit Baby to Baby, but 70 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 5: immediately critics pointed out that his wife, Jennifer c Bel 71 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:30,720 Speaker 5: Newsom also had a relationship with at least one of 72 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 5: the co CEO. 73 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 6: Sits on Jen's board of directors. 74 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 3: Gavin Newsom is that's a little suspicious. 75 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 2: Ooh, you were not supposed to do that. 76 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 4: Well, if you're the Newsoms, this is how you do everything. 77 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 6: Claiming there was this huge rigorous process to figure out 78 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 6: which group to partner with for this free diaper program. 79 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 6: But was it really a rigorous process? 80 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 3: There was also a lot of questions to begin with, 81 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 3: And this is why Julie Watt started investigating this because 82 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:01,159 Speaker 3: rumors started coming out, how much were we paying per 83 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 3: diaper compared to how much is a diaper at Target? 84 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:08,160 Speaker 3: And is there a little bit of grift going on here? Well, 85 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:10,720 Speaker 3: if you show us the contract, we'll know exactly how 86 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:12,279 Speaker 3: much we're paying for the dipes. 87 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 1: Well and don't forget that is a very common way 88 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:20,919 Speaker 1: for politicians to take care of contributors. Go back to 89 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 1: California Waste Solutions and all of that drama going on 90 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 1: in Oakland and various East Bay cities. What they were 91 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:33,840 Speaker 1: accused of doing was overcharging residents for trash collection and 92 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:37,159 Speaker 1: the government looking the other way and not going after 93 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:38,160 Speaker 1: them for doing that. 94 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 3: Oh, I think it goes further than that, if you 95 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 3: want to go all the way back to the good 96 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 3: old days of COVID. Do you remember when Gavin Newsom 97 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:55,279 Speaker 3: signed those massive contracts with those Chinese companies to manufacture masks. 98 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 2: Oh? 99 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, And we never got to see the details of 100 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 3: that either. 101 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 6: If you're best friends with the CEO of this company. 102 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:05,039 Speaker 5: So we did a little fact check and you should 103 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 5: definitely go check out the story we did last month. 104 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 3: We did, we covered it. Julie's the best. Julie gives 105 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:13,600 Speaker 3: us lots of content. 106 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 5: But we can only go so far. So far, the 107 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 5: state will not give us a copy of the contract 108 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 5: or the competitive bid scoring sheet. Four days after that 109 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 5: very high profile press conference, we simply asked the Governor's 110 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 5: office for a copy of that contract that everyone was 111 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:30,239 Speaker 5: talking about. 112 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 3: Nat wouldn't that be a very simple ask. You make 113 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:35,840 Speaker 3: this big proclamation that we're going to give a whole 114 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 3: bunch of money to baby to baby to give out 115 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:42,840 Speaker 3: diapers to every new parrot in California. Shouldn't we know 116 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:45,680 Speaker 3: how much they're getting and how much the diapers cost? 117 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:50,359 Speaker 1: And keep in mind, taxpayers in California pay for a 118 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:54,840 Speaker 1: Department of Communications within the Governor's office. But instead of 119 00:06:54,880 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 1: providing salient information like this, they just get bitchy with people. 120 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 2: One X. 121 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 5: Told us reach out to California Health and Human Services. 122 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 5: They told us the contracts were with yet another agency. 123 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 3: That boy, Sheney, You know, I feel like it's the 124 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 3: drop I have to play of her the most because 125 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 3: it's the best thing she ever said. 126 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 4: The bureaucracy is real. 127 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 2: Truer words have never been said. 128 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 5: Agency told us our requests had been received. That means 129 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 5: legally they had a maximum of ten days to tell 130 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 5: us whether or not we're going to get them. 131 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 3: Well wait, that was in May and it's now July. 132 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 3: So some talk TikTok something tells me that the state 133 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 3: did not follow through on what the state law is 134 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 3: on public records requests. 135 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 5: Exactly ten days later, now, fourteen days after the press conference, 136 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 5: the state replies, citing an unusual circumstance clause in the 137 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 5: California Public Records Act, giving them another fourteen days to 138 00:07:57,200 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 5: decide if these are disclosable records. 139 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 3: Okay, now this looks even worse. Even if there is 140 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 3: nothing to see here, the fact that they don't want 141 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 3: to show the contract is adding all kinds of suspicion 142 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 3: about Gavin Newsom and Jen Newsom's relationship with Baby to 143 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 3: Baby for this state funded program that nobody asked for. 144 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 1: And keep in mind, they're not asking for something from 145 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 1: the archives. They're asking for something that is theoretically easy 146 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 1: to find and easy to provide if you're willing to 147 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 1: do so. The delay is there because they don't want 148 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 1: to do it and they're trying to figure out how 149 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:38,560 Speaker 1: they can get away with not doing it. 150 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:44,200 Speaker 3: I love when the Twitter and the YouTube people just 151 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:45,720 Speaker 3: write barrocracy. 152 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 5: California law clearly states any executed contract is a public record, 153 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 5: and so are competitive bid scoring sheets. 154 00:08:56,920 --> 00:08:59,720 Speaker 3: Because that's one of the allegations here was there an 155 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:01,959 Speaker 3: act tue And this is so true with so many 156 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 3: different government contracts. This is one of the reasons that 157 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 3: Alberto Carvallo is no longer in charge of LAUSD because 158 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 3: of that FBI investigation where the LAUSD spent millions of 159 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 3: dollars on developing an AI chatbot to teach the kids algebra, 160 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:20,840 Speaker 3: and he ended up giving that contract to a friend 161 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 3: of his. If there's no bidding process, this is as 162 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:26,080 Speaker 3: straight up corruption as you can get. 163 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:28,840 Speaker 1: And just to be clear, this is not like it 164 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 1: falls in some sort of great area. This is clearcut, 165 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:34,680 Speaker 1: black and white. They just don't want to do what 166 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 1: they're legally obligated to do, which is to provide the contract. 167 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 5: As forward fourteen more days. Spoiler alert, they are disclosable records, 168 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 5: but the state would need another three to four weeks 169 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:48,239 Speaker 5: to get us copies trans. 170 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 4: This is not looking good. 171 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:53,320 Speaker 1: How is it that there is a deadline in the 172 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 1: law in terms of how long you have to provide 173 00:09:56,400 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 1: something like this and they just make up new terms 174 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 1: on their own and we're just supposed to deal with it. 175 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 3: Well, if you think about it, outside of our incredible 176 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 3: reporters and our press like Julie Watts, like Ashley Zabala, 177 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 3: who exactly is the person that would hold our own 178 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 3: government accountable for failing to deliver on the law not 179 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:22,440 Speaker 3: the LA Times well, and it's certainly not going to 180 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 3: be the Attorney General Bot Bonta. 181 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:30,680 Speaker 5: Selasian. The state waited twenty four days to promptly notify 182 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 5: us that it would need another twenty eight days to 183 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:34,960 Speaker 5: get us a copy of that contract. 184 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 3: Boy, this is a run out the clock situation. I 185 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 3: think we'll get this contract the day after Gavin Newsom 186 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:43,959 Speaker 3: is no longer governor of the state of California. 187 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 2: And here is part of this. 188 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 1: Not only are they doing it in terms of Gavin 189 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 1: Newsom's presidential campaign, they know that budget cuts have hit 190 00:10:55,440 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 1: just about every newsroom in California, broadcasts being hit the hardiest. 191 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 1: So if they take a reporter like Julie Watts and 192 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:06,840 Speaker 1: they say, Okay, here's what we're going to do. We're 193 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:09,840 Speaker 1: going to occupy all of your time on this one 194 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 1: story for months and months and months and months, and 195 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:17,840 Speaker 1: we're not going to move on our position here, at 196 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:19,680 Speaker 1: some point her shop is going to look at this 197 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:23,040 Speaker 1: and go, Okay, we're paying someone a full time salary 198 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:27,719 Speaker 1: to produce reports on California government and California politics, and 199 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 1: she's not able to file stories because she's working on 200 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 1: this really long expose on the diapers. Let's just pull 201 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:38,440 Speaker 1: her from the story and cut bait. I think that's 202 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 1: what they were going for. 203 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 5: If the governor announced nearly two months ago the competitive 204 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 5: bidding process, then the day we were finally supposed to 205 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:50,199 Speaker 5: get the records July third of state holiday, theism administration 206 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 5: told us they would need two more weeks. 207 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 1: Oh come on, and doesn't he call himself the most 208 00:11:57,600 --> 00:11:59,720 Speaker 1: transparent governor in the history of the state. 209 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:04,200 Speaker 3: Well, anybody that calls themselves transparent is anything. 210 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 7: But. 211 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 6: It's unacceptable. 212 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 5: That's Jenny LaRue. She's with the birth amendment coalitions. 213 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 6: You had it in your hands the day they were 214 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 6: talking about. 215 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:15,080 Speaker 5: If she argues documents like state contracts shouldn't even require 216 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:16,319 Speaker 5: a public records request. 217 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 8: Jeez. 218 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 3: I mean, there's so many questions about this, and the 219 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:22,960 Speaker 3: first one would be who was asking for the free diapers? 220 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:27,840 Speaker 1: Shouldn't state contracts be available online? Because you can look 221 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 1: up what state employees make online. That's all public information. 222 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:35,119 Speaker 1: Why shouldn't contracts with vendors be available? 223 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 3: They'll find some excuse to say, oh, this would be 224 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 3: a risk to our security, like they do with all 225 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:44,560 Speaker 3: of the no bid contracts. When we've seen that Ashley 226 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:47,439 Speaker 3: Zavala has been covering with the Capital Annex project. 227 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 5: I think there's a world where. 228 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 3: You know how much a cost to raise a kid 229 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 3: in California thanks to our expensive cost about three hundred 230 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:58,199 Speaker 3: and twenty thousand dollars a year. I don't know if 231 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 3: the free diapers are really going to push in anybody 232 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:03,960 Speaker 3: in the right direction. You know, I just thought of something, Randy, Yes, 233 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:06,840 Speaker 3: three hundred and twenty thousand dollars will buy a lot 234 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:07,720 Speaker 3: of e bikes. 235 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 5: Agency state agencies just automatically upload all contracts. 236 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 2: I think there's a world where we make. 237 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 3: Them do that. 238 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:22,200 Speaker 5: That's State Senator Tom Umberg. He knows a bit about 239 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 5: this issue. 240 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 1: Thank you some of the Chago for bringing lots of 241 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 1: attention to this subject. 242 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:30,319 Speaker 5: The Senate Judiciary Chair was instrumental in gutting a build 243 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:33,680 Speaker 5: It would have let state agencies charge you hourly fees 244 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 5: and even sue someone for requesting public information. 245 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 4: How is that allowed? 246 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:42,440 Speaker 1: Because they're the most transparent administration in the history of 247 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:42,839 Speaker 1: the state. 248 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 3: Randy, Now, this is what was eventually gutted in a 249 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 3: bill that would make it more difficult to obtain public records. 250 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 3: But think about the legislature and they're disdain for the press, 251 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 3: where they were actually going to start looking at charging 252 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 3: fees to the First Amendment protected free press to ask 253 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 3: for public records in a public government. 254 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 1: Again, go back to the point I made earlier about 255 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:13,199 Speaker 1: the budget cuts in newsrooms. If they make it expensive 256 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 1: to do your job, then you're just going to cover 257 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 1: other subjects that are less expensive. I think that's part 258 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 1: of their calculus. 259 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 3: People shouldn't have to pay to get information from public officials. 260 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 5: Now, the amended version of the bill does give agencies 261 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 5: even more time to respond to your public records request. 262 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 5: Because only women of Teko are used, they. 263 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 7: Needed, agencies across the state are experiencing a sharp increase 264 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 7: in requests that are exceptionally broad. 265 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 3: Meanwhile, it's so hard to just send over a PDF. 266 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 1: So they're trying to turn it into a labor issue 267 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 1: where we can't make the fat people and the purple 268 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 1: t shirts work getting harder because they're going as fast 269 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 1: as they can. 270 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 5: Yep, we're still waiting for that baby to baby contract. 271 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 5: Sixty days counting, and here we are for CBS California investigates. 272 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 5: I'm Julie Watts. 273 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 3: I've said it before and I'll say it again. Julie 274 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 3: Watts is one of the best reporters that we have 275 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 3: in the state of California. In a one party state 276 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 3: with a super majority in the legislature, the only defense 277 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 3: that we have are incredible reporters like her, like Ashley 278 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:27,560 Speaker 3: Zaballa Matthew Seedorf in southern California. It's really the only 279 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 3: defense that we have against all this straight up corruption. 280 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 1: I'll tell you, we live in a one party state 281 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 1: where the Democrats control everything. And the first partner, Jennifer 282 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:43,479 Speaker 1: Sebel Newsom, is a very beautiful woman. She's a pretty lady. 283 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 1: She is not used to people saying no to her. 284 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 2: She's not. 285 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 1: And you get sloppy after a certain point in time 286 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 1: because the answer is always yes. You live a life 287 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 1: where it's nothing but green lights. And when you live 288 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 1: a life where it's nothing but green lights and no 289 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 1: one ever says no to you, your morals get cloudy. 290 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 1: Wouldn't it be something if the first partner ended up 291 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 1: being the one that derails Galvin Newsom's presidential ambitions. 292 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 3: Well, she's already given him a lot of unwanted attention. 293 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 3: You got to remember a lot of these investigations into 294 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 3: the Newsom's are having to do with her charities. And 295 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 3: don't forget a couple of months ago at a press 296 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 3: conference where the state was going to give a whole 297 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 3: bunch of extra funding to Planned Parenthood, that when Gavin 298 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 3: Newsom was being asked a very legitimate question by Ashley Zavalla, 299 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 3: it was Jen Newsom who grabs the mic out of 300 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:45,239 Speaker 3: Gavin's hands and goes after the press for asking questions 301 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:47,359 Speaker 3: of the governor at a press conference. 302 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, now the blood is in the water because 303 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 1: the Feds are looking at her. 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So if you 348 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:30,159 Speaker 3: haven't subscribed yet to the Accountability Podcast, make sure you 349 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 3: do so, and then at three o'clock when we sign off, 350 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:36,359 Speaker 3: you've got a whole bonus now to enjoy. 351 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:39,679 Speaker 1: Eight hundred two two two five two two two is 352 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 1: a telephone number one eight hundred two two two five 353 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 1: two two two two. Christian flight attendants Lacy Smith and 354 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:52,399 Speaker 1: Marley Brown were fired by Alaska Airlines after they shared 355 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 1: their religious beliefs on an employee website. The airline had 356 00:19:57,200 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 1: asked workers to comment on a new law, a law 357 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:05,119 Speaker 1: called the Equality Act. Lacey asked a simple question about 358 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 1: regulating morality. Marley shared her faith based concerns about how 359 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:12,919 Speaker 1: the law might affect women, girls, and people of faith. 360 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 1: Both women had great work records, but the airline called 361 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:24,760 Speaker 1: their comments quote hateful, offensive, and discriminatory and then fired them. 362 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:29,119 Speaker 1: With the help of the First Liberty Institute, the flight 363 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:34,480 Speaker 1: attendants sued the airline and their own union for religious discrimination. 364 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 1: Earlier this month, the US Court of Appeals for the 365 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:40,440 Speaker 1: Ninth Circuit, which is known as being one of the 366 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 1: most liberal courts in the nation, ruled in their favor. 367 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 1: The court said there was enough evidence for a jury 368 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 1: to decide if the airline and the union treated them 369 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:55,359 Speaker 1: unfairly because of their faith. The case will now go 370 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 1: back to trial. Joining us to talk about this is 371 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:02,439 Speaker 1: the senior counsel with the First Liberty Institute, Stephanie Tubb. 372 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:05,879 Speaker 1: You can find them online at Firstliberty dot org and 373 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:08,399 Speaker 1: follow them on exit First Liberty Underscore. 374 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 2: Stephanie, Welcome, Thank you so much for having me on. Well. 375 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:18,880 Speaker 1: First of all, congratulations on being successful under very difficult circumstances. 376 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 1: Because the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals is known for 377 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:24,600 Speaker 1: being one of the most liberal courts in the entire nation, 378 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 1: and you guys cleaned Alaska's clock along with the union. 379 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 8: Well, it's hard to escape some of these pretty incredible 380 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 8: facts in this case. I mean, we have a union 381 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 8: that's supposed to be representing its members, flight attendants of 382 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:43,359 Speaker 8: the American Association of Flight Attendants union, and instead of 383 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 8: representing them, one of their or it really reveals their 384 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 8: state of mind. One of the union representatives a wrote 385 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:55,119 Speaker 8: to other union representatives, can we please get someone to 386 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 8: shut down comments or put Marley and Lacy in a 387 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:00,960 Speaker 8: burlap bag and drop them down a well, so this 388 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 8: was a There was an incredible amount of anti religious 389 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 8: hostility directed toward Marley and Lazy, and I think that 390 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:09,360 Speaker 8: made the result here inescapable. 391 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:14,960 Speaker 1: If the union representative called for the two flight attendants 392 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 1: who they disagreed with to be murdered, is that person 393 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:19,160 Speaker 1: still working there? 394 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:24,200 Speaker 8: As far as I'm not sure, but I haven't heard. 395 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 8: I haven't heard that she's not. 396 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 1: Because it's wild that you could get fired for politically 397 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 1: disagreeing with the company that you work for, but you 398 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:33,320 Speaker 1: can call for your co workers to be murdered and 399 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:36,360 Speaker 1: you can be okay, that's right. 400 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:39,440 Speaker 8: If you look at if you look at the comments 401 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 8: that Marley and Lazy posted, it's really clear that this 402 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:47,160 Speaker 8: is just outright hostility toward them and their religious beliefs. 403 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 8: Lazy posted, as a company, do you think it's possible 404 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:53,800 Speaker 8: to regulate morality? And this was in response to the 405 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 8: company's post about the posting about the Equality Act, which 406 00:22:56,840 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 8: was proposed legislation in twenty twenty one. That was it. 407 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:02,639 Speaker 8: That was her whole That was her whole post. And 408 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:04,880 Speaker 8: then Marley's post, as you mentioned, it was a little 409 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 8: longer about a paragraph that she was expressing her really 410 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 8: sincere concerns that the Equality Act would open up women's 411 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:13,879 Speaker 8: safe and women's private spaces in a way that wasn't safe, 412 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:17,160 Speaker 8: and also the impact on people of faith who hold 413 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:18,920 Speaker 8: different beliefs about these things. 414 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 1: I assume what she was referring to is transgendered athletes 415 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:28,440 Speaker 1: and girls sports, or transgendered individuals entering women's bathrooms, those 416 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 1: sorts of things. When you look at the polls, those 417 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 1: aren't issues that are closed. Those are issues were something 418 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:38,200 Speaker 1: like eighty percent of the public sides with these two 419 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 1: flight attendants. So it's not like they took some boutique 420 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:46,439 Speaker 1: strange political stands that no one in the country has taken. 421 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,359 Speaker 1: The stands that they took is the majority. 422 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 2: Stands that's right. 423 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 8: And then when lots came out during the discovery period, 424 00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:00,199 Speaker 8: we have one of the vps at Alaska saying that 425 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:03,920 Speaker 8: it was discriminatory for Marley to use the term opposite 426 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:07,199 Speaker 8: sex because that implies that there's only two sexes. So 427 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 8: it's also a very extreme position to say that it's 428 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 8: discriminatory to hold those beliefs. We've got conversations behind the 429 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 8: scenes between Alaska officials saying that employees are quote not 430 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:22,240 Speaker 8: allowed to hold certain beliefs about the Equality Act. 431 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 2: It was incredible. 432 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 1: Why in the world would the company solicit comments from 433 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 1: their employees about a political issue that's being debated in 434 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 1: the Congress unless they understood that there would be some 435 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:44,639 Speaker 1: people who disagree with them and, if asked, might post 436 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:46,520 Speaker 1: something that the company doesn't like. 437 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 8: That's a great question. But they announced over and over 438 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:54,920 Speaker 8: again on their website that they welcomed respectful disagreement. They 439 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:58,960 Speaker 8: posted that they wanted diverse views. In just a week earlier. 440 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 8: There was a pretty robust debate in the comments section 441 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 8: about other DEI initiatives, but here when they posted about 442 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:08,439 Speaker 8: their support about the Equality Act, they opened it up 443 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:11,120 Speaker 8: for comments, and then when Marley and Lacy posted from 444 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 8: their religious perspective, they were fired. 445 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:18,520 Speaker 1: I fly Alaska on occasion because I live in southern California. 446 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:20,400 Speaker 2: They're big on the Pacific. 447 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 1: Coast, and I've seen gate agents and I have seen 448 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:28,960 Speaker 1: flight attendants with BLM pins and BLM shirts and BLM 449 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 1: paraphernalia with the Alaska Airlines logo on. 450 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:33,879 Speaker 2: It. 451 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:37,600 Speaker 1: Is this a company that has gone so far off 452 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:41,480 Speaker 1: the deep end in one direction that they are just 453 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:43,320 Speaker 1: I guess rotting internally. 454 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:51,680 Speaker 8: Well, that's it's certainly it certainly evidences religious discrimination and 455 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 8: against our clients, against people who hold different beliefs than 456 00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:58,760 Speaker 8: some of the people in the C suite. And so 457 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:02,760 Speaker 8: we are grateful for the Ninth Circuit recognizing the amount 458 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:08,239 Speaker 8: of evidence here is definitely or is clearly enough to 459 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,679 Speaker 8: go to a jury trial. And so that's exactly what 460 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:14,160 Speaker 8: we plan on doing. It's taking this case to a jury, 461 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,240 Speaker 8: and we're confident that they will also find that this 462 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:17,400 Speaker 8: is religious discrimination. 463 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 1: I wonder if they have any idea how bad this 464 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:24,879 Speaker 1: looks optically because again, we're in Los Angeles, we're in 465 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,600 Speaker 1: San Francisco here, we're in two of their hubs. They 466 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:30,119 Speaker 1: probably have a lot of customers who are listening to 467 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:34,040 Speaker 1: this conversation that we're having. If one of their employees 468 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:37,600 Speaker 1: said that they think it's appropriate to murder another employee 469 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 1: because their political beliefs are not the same, and the 470 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:45,919 Speaker 1: company itself believes that it's okay to fire people because 471 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:47,640 Speaker 1: they disagree with you politically. 472 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:50,360 Speaker 2: As a customer, that. 473 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,000 Speaker 1: Puts you in an odd place because you go, okay, Well, 474 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:55,080 Speaker 1: if they think it's okay to kill people who they 475 00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:58,720 Speaker 1: disagree with, then why should they have those different attitudes 476 00:26:58,760 --> 00:26:59,920 Speaker 1: towards the customers than. 477 00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:01,600 Speaker 2: They do towards their own employees. 478 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,480 Speaker 1: If given the opportunity, would they put our safety in 479 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 1: jeopardy because this is the way they see the world 480 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,959 Speaker 1: where that sort of behavior is appropriate. 481 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:16,159 Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean. And also the double standard too, because 482 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,960 Speaker 8: we also put forth evidence that there was another flight 483 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:22,960 Speaker 8: attendant who posted Christians who think like this should be 484 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,359 Speaker 8: kicked in the teeth or punched in the teeth one 485 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 8: of those, and that flight attendant was reported not but 486 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:34,159 Speaker 8: only given the lowest level of discipline, was not not 487 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:37,520 Speaker 8: treated the same way that the Christians Marley and Lacy 488 00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:42,160 Speaker 8: were when they posted their perspective. They went straight from termination, 489 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,760 Speaker 8: straight determination Marley did, so it's pretty incredible. 490 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:50,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's an unbelievably bad look for the company. And 491 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:53,959 Speaker 1: it's wild to be because post George Floyd, a lot 492 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:57,080 Speaker 1: of companies went in this direction where they went super 493 00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:01,160 Speaker 1: woke and they fired people for doing things like this 494 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,959 Speaker 1: and they didn't seem to care, and then the backlash 495 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:08,520 Speaker 1: started happening. Then Trump gets elected in twenty twenty four. 496 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:12,640 Speaker 1: Then you see movement in places like Silicon Valley, Elon 497 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 1: buys X and you see changes going on in that 498 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:21,680 Speaker 1: industry in Northern California, and a lot of companies started 499 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:25,879 Speaker 1: changing with the times. A lot of companies understood that 500 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:29,199 Speaker 1: their customer base is not as woke as maybe the 501 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:31,800 Speaker 1: people who work for the company, and they're going to 502 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:35,080 Speaker 1: lose their customer base if they don't figure out a 503 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:39,480 Speaker 1: way to reflect reality. And it seems like this is 504 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:43,360 Speaker 1: a company that's just Alaska Airlines that's just digging in 505 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:47,280 Speaker 1: their heels that they hate Christians, they hate Republicans. They'll 506 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,880 Speaker 1: fire you if they don't like your political beliefs. I 507 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 1: assume that they'll find ways to punish customers if they 508 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,720 Speaker 1: disagree with what they're saying, if you wear something that 509 00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,560 Speaker 1: they don't like, or that sort of thing, And it 510 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,280 Speaker 1: just seems like they're being. 511 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 2: More than reckless for. 512 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:08,000 Speaker 1: Their shareholders, for the people who invest in the company, 513 00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:11,600 Speaker 1: for the people who depend on that company to make 514 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:15,160 Speaker 1: a profit when they're behaving this recklessly. The fact that 515 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,720 Speaker 1: no one has been fired within that company for this 516 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,920 Speaker 1: kind of behavior is beyond my ability to comprehend. 517 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 2: Where are the shareholders? 518 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:29,560 Speaker 8: That is a fantastic question. And the world You're absolutely right, 519 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,120 Speaker 8: the world has changed quite a bit since this started 520 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 8: in twenty twenty one. But we are so proud for 521 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:39,400 Speaker 8: Sibri Institute to represent Marley and Lacy and all of 522 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:43,120 Speaker 8: our clients just for their bravery and their stand because 523 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:45,960 Speaker 8: the reason one of the main reasons why our clients 524 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:49,320 Speaker 8: bring these lawsuits is so that this won't happen to 525 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:52,320 Speaker 8: other people, so that people are aware of their rights, 526 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 8: and that we can take this opportunity to clarify the law. 527 00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:00,120 Speaker 8: The law protects people employees of faith at work, so 528 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,440 Speaker 8: employers cannot and should not fire you just because they 529 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:07,880 Speaker 8: hold different religious beliefs, and that's what's going on here. 530 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 8: And we have this excellent opinion from the Ninth Circuit 531 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,880 Speaker 8: that we're hopeful will protect other employees of faith across 532 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:14,680 Speaker 8: the entire circuit. 533 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:20,080 Speaker 1: This is a highly regulated industry. Anything involving aviation. You 534 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:24,520 Speaker 1: have the FAA that determines, for example, how many hours 535 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,240 Speaker 1: of rest a flight attendant needs before they can work 536 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:30,960 Speaker 1: pilots the same thing. Other industries are not like that. 537 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 1: The Trump administration, including HARMEI Dillon, who comes from here 538 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:39,280 Speaker 1: in California, who is in charge of the Civil Rights 539 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 1: Division of the Department of Justice, has spoken out very 540 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:48,000 Speaker 1: forcefully against companies who are doing exactly this sort of thing. 541 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:51,240 Speaker 1: And I would imagine she feels the same way about 542 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:54,680 Speaker 1: labor unions that are doing this exact sort of thing. 543 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:58,280 Speaker 1: Have we heard any noise coming out of the Department 544 00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:01,320 Speaker 1: of Justice about them coming down out on Alaska Airlines 545 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:03,959 Speaker 1: like a ton of bricks, Because it seems like the 546 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 1: Feds should be going through all of their correspondents with 547 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:13,240 Speaker 1: a fine tooth comb and punishing the company and punishing 548 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,479 Speaker 1: the union from the point of view of the federal 549 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:17,040 Speaker 1: government for this sort of. 550 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:21,840 Speaker 8: Abuse that is a fantastic question. I would be open 551 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,440 Speaker 8: to those conversations, but I haven't heard anything to that 552 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:25,200 Speaker 8: effect so far. 553 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,200 Speaker 1: Well, maybe we'll have to call Harmeat about that, because 554 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,600 Speaker 1: this is something that should certainly be on her radar. Now, 555 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:36,200 Speaker 1: the court gave you permission to move forward with your lawsuit. 556 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,840 Speaker 1: Has the company reached out trying to settle? Has the 557 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,120 Speaker 1: you get reached out trying to settle with you guys? 558 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 1: Because I would imagine that if this goes to trial, 559 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,240 Speaker 1: this is going to go from bad to worse. We're 560 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:50,280 Speaker 1: already getting emails now, people coming in saying this is 561 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:54,960 Speaker 1: Alaska Airlines bud Light moment. I would imagine that they 562 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:59,600 Speaker 1: would prefer that this correspondence remain relatively private and not 563 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 1: on the front page of the newspaper. And they're willing 564 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,400 Speaker 1: to pay a pretty penny to make this go away. 565 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,440 Speaker 1: Have they reached out to you or is their wokeness 566 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:10,080 Speaker 1: causing them to dig in their heels. 567 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,480 Speaker 8: Oh, we'll certainly keep you posted if we hear anything 568 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,240 Speaker 8: on that front. You're right that that is sometimes what 569 00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:20,000 Speaker 8: happens in these cases, but we don't have anything to 570 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:20,800 Speaker 8: announce at this point. 571 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:23,040 Speaker 1: Well, I can tell you this is one of the 572 00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,760 Speaker 1: reasons I show up to jury duty, because if I 573 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:27,760 Speaker 1: showed up to jury duty here, I would want to 574 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,440 Speaker 1: bankrupt this company. 575 00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:34,200 Speaker 8: Well, we hope you are on the journey, but it's 576 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:38,920 Speaker 8: going to be in it's going to be in probably 577 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,000 Speaker 8: the Seattle area, all right. 578 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,640 Speaker 1: Well, hopefully they do get bankrupted if they take this 579 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:47,840 Speaker 1: to trial. Stephanie Tubb, senior counsel with the First Liberty Institute. 580 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:50,680 Speaker 1: You can get her online at Firstliberty dot org and 581 00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:55,520 Speaker 1: follow her on exit First Liberty Underscore excellent, excellent, excellent work, 582 00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:57,600 Speaker 1: and we'll definitely check in with you again. 583 00:32:59,160 --> 00:32:59,760 Speaker 6: Wonderful, Thank you. 584 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:04,080 Speaker 1: It's the John Phillips Show. Eight hundred two two two 585 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,800 Speaker 1: five two two two is telephone number one eight hundred 586 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:11,240 Speaker 1: two two two five two two two. If you'd like 587 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:13,720 Speaker 1: to email the show, you can do so. Johnny don't 588 00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,960 Speaker 1: like show at gmail dot com. That's Johnny. Don't like 589 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,280 Speaker 1: show at gmail dot com. 590 00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:20,520 Speaker 2: Let's go to. 591 00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:22,840 Speaker 1: Jane, who's listening in southern California. 592 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:30,680 Speaker 2: Jane, Hello, Hi, is this John? This is Hi. 593 00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:31,840 Speaker 6: Yeah. 594 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:36,960 Speaker 7: I'm a flight attendant for Alaska in southern California, and 595 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:45,200 Speaker 7: I was almost terminated for making a Facebook post oh, 596 00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:49,880 Speaker 7: regarding someone I don't I can't really mention because I 597 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,640 Speaker 7: was almost terminated and I don't want this to get 598 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:54,640 Speaker 7: back back to me. 599 00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:58,400 Speaker 1: But it is a very woke. 600 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:02,800 Speaker 7: Company and if you if you do not follow the line, 601 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:04,959 Speaker 7: you will be terminated. 602 00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:11,080 Speaker 1: Well, it seems like a hostile work environment for the 603 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:15,520 Speaker 1: employees who work there. It seems like the union is 604 00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:19,600 Speaker 1: just as bad as the company. And here's what I 605 00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:24,040 Speaker 1: don't understand. Because they sell tickets to Republicans, they sell 606 00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,880 Speaker 1: tickets to Democrats, they sell tickets to people of all 607 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:28,160 Speaker 1: political persuasions. 608 00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:30,360 Speaker 2: If they think it's. 609 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:34,880 Speaker 1: Okay to treat people who are right of center that way. 610 00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:38,760 Speaker 1: As a passenger, why should I think that they feel 611 00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,879 Speaker 1: any different about me. Why would anyone want to fly 612 00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,839 Speaker 1: an airline where you know that the management hates your 613 00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:48,720 Speaker 1: guts and would prefer that you be dead. I don't 614 00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,239 Speaker 1: understand how they think that that's a good look for 615 00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:53,879 Speaker 1: their customers, let alone their employees. 616 00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:58,480 Speaker 7: Yes, I agree with that. 617 00:34:58,840 --> 00:34:59,080 Speaker 3: I know. 618 00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,719 Speaker 7: I've been working for them for twenty six years. And 619 00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:10,000 Speaker 7: ever since President Trump starting started to run for office, 620 00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:17,360 Speaker 7: the liberals and the queers could post anything vile, nasty, 621 00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:24,600 Speaker 7: disgusting that they wanted to reguardian President Trump. But if 622 00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:27,800 Speaker 7: you were on the other side, you were called in 623 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:37,279 Speaker 7: and they wanted to even put myself through their attorneys 624 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:39,160 Speaker 7: to try and hang on to my job. 625 00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's totally outrageous, and I'll tell you, and I 626 00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:48,759 Speaker 1: mentioned this to the attorney Harmie Dillon, who comes from California, 627 00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:52,080 Speaker 1: who I'm sure flew Southwest Airlines a whole bunch because 628 00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:55,880 Speaker 1: her law practice was in San Francisco before she became 629 00:35:56,400 --> 00:36:00,120 Speaker 1: a federal employee. She's in charge of the Department of 630 00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:03,680 Speaker 1: Civil Rights at the Department of Justice. That union should 631 00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:08,440 Speaker 1: be investigated. That company should be investigated. All of those emails, 632 00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:12,560 Speaker 1: all of that correspondence, all of the abuse that their 633 00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:17,520 Speaker 1: employees have faced from that company, from them discriminating against 634 00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:21,560 Speaker 1: people because of their religion, because of their politics, all 635 00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:25,000 Speaker 1: of that should be investigated, and they should have. 636 00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:28,239 Speaker 2: To go to Washington, d c. And explain themselves. 637 00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:31,839 Speaker 7: As well as the COVID vaccine. 638 00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:37,080 Speaker 1: All right, thank you for the call. I appreciate. Yeah, 639 00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,040 Speaker 1: I know that was one of the companies that required 640 00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:42,640 Speaker 1: people to take it, but it's just it's one of 641 00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:46,040 Speaker 1: these companies and it happened after George Floyd where there 642 00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:50,400 Speaker 1: are just certain corporations that went crazy, and it seems 643 00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:52,040 Speaker 1: like a lot of them. I mean, look at the 644 00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:55,560 Speaker 1: damage control that bud Light did to try to come 645 00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:57,759 Speaker 1: back to a point to where they're not regarded as 646 00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:01,680 Speaker 1: being particularly political. And that's what most of the corporations 647 00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:05,800 Speaker 1: did after they realized they went too far. But Alaska 648 00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:10,719 Speaker 1: Airlines hasn't, and Alaska Airlines still has their foot on 649 00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:16,200 Speaker 1: the gas pedal. And I'll tell you it seems like 650 00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:19,239 Speaker 1: the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals at least believes that 651 00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:23,120 Speaker 1: they were way out of line. Maybe the federal government 652 00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,359 Speaker 1: needs to do the same thing. Thank you for the call, 653 00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:27,520 Speaker 1: and sorry you have to work for a company that 654 00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:31,520 Speaker 1: harasses you for your politics and religion. All Right, We've 655 00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:33,879 Speaker 1: got two more hours coming up on the John Phillips Show, 656 00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:35,280 Speaker 1: the Fixed California Hours. 657 00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:36,800 Speaker 2: Next, don't you go Anywhere.