Speaker 1: All right, we now have joining us on sports phone KMBR.
Speaker 1: It is the great Steve Berman of the athletic mister Bermont.
Speaker 1: What's going on, man? How are you doing now?
Speaker 2: Much? Ted doing well? How are you?
Speaker 3: Do? You know?
Speaker 1: Just rolling along and waiting for the start of the
Speaker 1: NFL season. And I wanted to ask you about this
Speaker 1: because I got to thinking. Always dangerous when I get
Speaker 1: to thinking. But with the forty nine ers headed to Australia,
Speaker 1: even if Pablo Torre has told us that it's not
Speaker 1: the substation, I feel there's a very high possibility that
Speaker 1: there's going to be some sort of what we would
Speaker 1: call a catastrophic injury, whether that's nacyl and Achilles.
Speaker 3: Quad steps ten and whatever it is.
Speaker 1: And so I'm just curious if that happens, at what
Speaker 1: point is there going to be pushed back from the
Speaker 1: Union about these road trips to different time zones and
Speaker 1: different continents. Because I can't find a delect direct parallel
Speaker 1: beyond lega MS teams coming up to play Major League Soccer,
Speaker 1: even the European teams that travel, they come to the
Speaker 1: United States for like an extended stay, so that you could,
Speaker 1: you know, it used to be you could see MESSI
Speaker 1: with FC Barcelona because they were going to do the
Speaker 1: tour around America and it's not the high profile, intense games,
Speaker 1: and it's also soccer, which is not as violently injurious
Speaker 1: as the NFL. So like, how long does this international
Speaker 1: expansion keep on going with the NFL?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that it's going to be more on
Speaker 2: a team by team basis in terms of the complaints,
Speaker 2: and we know that this forty nine Ers team is
Speaker 2: not above complaining about their situation in terms of travel.
Speaker 2: Remember the Super Bowl when they were in Las Vegas
Speaker 2: and they got the lesser of practice facility because they
Speaker 2: are the road team, And there were some mumblings that
Speaker 2: Drake Greenlaw's injury, you know, he's dealing with I guess
Speaker 2: some sort of either cap or kille ten and I
Speaker 2: is kind of leading into the game that weird playing
Speaker 2: service that they are at UNLV contributed to him tearing
Speaker 2: it during the Super Bowl, which I think, you know,
Speaker 2: sort of like the Draymond Green suspension in twenty sixteen
Speaker 2: in the finals, like one of those deals where fans
Speaker 2: will go, you know what, if that didn't happen, we
Speaker 2: actually probably win the Championship that year, and then this
Speaker 2: year they have the two different International Games. They got
Speaker 2: to go to Mexico too, So I think that teams
Speaker 2: might be complaining about this. On the other hand, you know,
Speaker 2: others have said one of the things that forty nine
Speaker 2: ers have had to deal with a lot is these
Speaker 2: International Games is because in sort of weird scheduling with
Speaker 2: the prime time because they say no to hard knocks
Speaker 2: in the NFL says okay. And they've also gotten two Super
Speaker 2: Bowls pretty recently, probably the second one more recently than
Speaker 2: you would have expected, and you know, by proxy, all right, well,
Speaker 2: if you're not doing hard knocks and you get these
Speaker 2: Super Bowls, then we're gonna you're gonna go wherever we
Speaker 2: send you. So I think there's that portion. I think
Speaker 2: the players Union probably their biggest fight right now is
Speaker 2: not the International Park, but AstroTurf. You know, the artificial
Speaker 2: surfaces well much better than they were when we were children,
Speaker 2: when it was pretty much carpet on top of cement,
Speaker 2: you know. MetLife field is a subject that has been
Speaker 2: talked about many times, Niners included obviously, Yeah, with both
Speaker 2: of the Solomon Thomas in the same game, I think
Speaker 2: that's really where they are, especially after seeing the World
Speaker 2: Cup where all these places that have artificial surface through
Speaker 2: grass on and on TV it look fantastic. One of
Speaker 2: the things that the NFL owners say, not not say,
Speaker 2: but it's been said, is that the NFL owners actually
Speaker 2: like the artificial surface because they think it looks better
Speaker 2: on TV.
Speaker 1: Which is an interesting take, and I guess it tells
Speaker 1: you that that's the whole NFL is much much more
Speaker 1: at TV property now than actually going to the games.
Speaker 3: But I look at how there's not.
Speaker 1: Even a consensus on when to arrive, Like I would
Speaker 1: have thought that the Rams and the forty nine ers
Speaker 1: would be on similar schedules, and the Rams are saying
Speaker 1: there's citing previous travel and say, no, we're gonna go
Speaker 1: right beforehand.
Speaker 3: It's not going to be a lead up.
Speaker 1: And I just I find that kind of staggering, because
Speaker 1: not that I'm wishing this upon anyone, and I feel
Speaker 1: bad for bringing up, but if that if the rams
Speaker 1: schedule coincide with with a catastrophic injury for their team,
Speaker 1: everyone's gonna point to that, even if that is only
Speaker 1: a correlation and not necessarily a causation.
Speaker 2: Sure, absolutely I think there's a lot of science has
Speaker 2: yet to be done about a lot of these things.
Speaker 2: With travel, you know, nowadays, a lot of teams would
Speaker 2: have you know, talked about the NBA for example, a
Speaker 2: lot of teams will stay the night instead of flyback
Speaker 2: on a sort of a red eye flight. They say
Speaker 2: that's sleep. Experts to tell them that's better just to
Speaker 2: sleep in that hotel and then fly back the next morning,
Speaker 2: whereas they didn't used to do that before. Is that
Speaker 2: really helped the NBA in terms of injuries, I'm not
Speaker 2: so sure. Definitely not with Achilles taars, so that could
Speaker 2: be based on a whole other set of circumstances. And
Speaker 2: the forty nine ers have changed a lot of their
Speaker 2: stuff in terms of travel in recent years too. I mean,
Speaker 2: remember they go to the Greenbrier in West Virginia whenever
Speaker 2: they had a two week road trip, you know, Midwest
Speaker 2: East coast, and the players don't really like it at
Speaker 2: all because they're away from home so long. And I
Speaker 2: think they're actually the Niners sometimes are kind of rethinking
Speaker 2: some of that, maybe not staying at least at that
Speaker 2: hotel anymore.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I also it kind of speaks to the nature of
Speaker 2: both teams with this Australia trip in particular, because you
Speaker 2: have the forty nine ers who were very careful about
Speaker 2: their cash expenditures last year and I had a fairly
Speaker 2: cautious I would say off season. It wasn't super super aggressive,
Speaker 2: while the Rams are just like, screw it, you know,
Speaker 2: we're gonna go get it. We're gonna we're gonna go
Speaker 2: get Miles Garrett, you know, and we're gonna trade for
Speaker 2: a cornerback and do pretty much are just putting all
Speaker 2: their chips in right now. And it seems like they've
Speaker 2: done that multiple times over the past few years. So
Speaker 2: it just sort of speaks to the different personalities I
Speaker 2: think of both organizations.
Speaker 1: What do you make of the CMC contract talk and
Speaker 1: the soreness and that popping up from Mike Florio. I
Speaker 1: think that was earlier this morning. I feel like that
Speaker 1: has already been out of this in the news cycle
Speaker 1: for so long, but that's maybe because that was up
Speaker 1: at about four thirty this morning.
Speaker 2: Well, Paulaly, not a coincidence that these types of things
Speaker 2: that we talked about after Jonathan Taylor got paid and
Speaker 2: multiple running backs John Robinson got paid and then Jamior
Speaker 2: Gibbs got paid like right afterwards, like just barely over that,
Speaker 2: and mccaffery's looking at it, saying, all right, well, this
Speaker 2: is my last chance to really cash in. If Premiere
Speaker 2: running backs, the guys you draft in the first rounds
Speaker 2: in fantasy are getting paid like this, at least a
Speaker 2: little bit better. They'd still be like the thirty fifth
Speaker 2: pit or twenty fifth that's paid wide receiver, but it's
Speaker 2: still better than they were, you know, just even a
Speaker 2: year ago. Then this is now is the time to strike.
Speaker 2: And the forty nine ers are kind of over barely,
Speaker 2: just like they are with Trent Williams too. You know,
Speaker 2: what are they gonna do? The other two guys that
Speaker 2: are behind him are hurt as well, with I think
Speaker 2: obviously legitimate injuries, because there's no reason for those guys
Speaker 2: to sit out.
Speaker 3: When CMC.
Speaker 1: Has a heavy load year, as they call it, they
Speaker 1: say he's not as good the next year. I don't
Speaker 1: know how accurate that is. What are you expecting to
Speaker 1: CEMC this year, knowing how much work he did last year?
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's in Kyle's nature to do
Speaker 2: anything other than maximize CMC for every single game that
Speaker 2: he could possibly play. That's just the way it goes
Speaker 2: with them. I mean, obviously they'd probably go into it say,
Speaker 2: all right, we have these things scheduled out, and we
Speaker 2: can't have him have the most touches ever as he
Speaker 2: did last year, all of his most touches ever, but
Speaker 2: just felt like a shirt amount of touches for a
Speaker 2: guy who's spent the year before with all these different
Speaker 2: sort of injuries. But you know, I mean Jordan James,
Speaker 2: I think is the guy who's talented Calon Black. They
Speaker 2: were talking about him really in camp, who could fit
Speaker 2: in well with the way the forty nine ers do
Speaker 2: things and seem like a guy that people were talking
Speaker 2: highly of. But they're both on the shelf. So if
Speaker 2: they're on the shelf now and they're not getting that
Speaker 2: practice time in, then will Kyle trust them in key situations?
Speaker 2: And will the forty nine ers be in enough games
Speaker 2: where they're blown out opponents to sit CMC. And also
Speaker 2: that's the other thing. A lot of times when they've
Speaker 2: had the blowout situations, either getting blown out or blown
Speaker 2: out another team. You know, everyone's a blaze on social
Speaker 2: media because mccaffery's still in the game, getting for three downs,
Speaker 2: for all three downs, and they're like Kyle, like, this
Speaker 2: is the time to let him sit on the bench.
Speaker 2: So I don't know, I believe when I see it,
Speaker 2: I think is pretty much the long story short of this.
Speaker 1: Well, the thing about the Kyle Shanahan era forty nine
Speaker 1: Ers is there have been so many games which have
Speaker 1: statistically been blowouts for the forty nine Ers in favor
Speaker 1: of them, but it's a really tight game to where
Speaker 1: they also have to keep all their starters out there
Speaker 1: and really work hard late and deep into the game
Speaker 1: to kind of lock it up. And I don't expect
Speaker 1: that to change this year either, because I look at
Speaker 1: the Rams and the Seahawks, and I see the forty
Speaker 1: nine Ers as a team that can get into the playoffs.
Speaker 3: But I don't see them as good.
Speaker 1: As those two other teams right now, which means that
Speaker 1: that's at least four games that they're gonna be fighting,
Speaker 1: you know, all the way to the end, at least,
Speaker 1: I would assume. And it's not gonna be just four,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be many many games.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, their schedule is not quite as favorable
Speaker 2: as it was last year. They do get to play
Speaker 2: the Dolphins after they get back. That's pretty nice, and
Speaker 2: then the Cardinals are after that, so maybe they get
Speaker 2: a little bit of a breather there, but you never know.
Speaker 2: In the NFL, a lot of times everyone says that
Speaker 2: the team's gonna be awesome, they end up being six
Speaker 2: and eleven and vice versa. So, you know, but they
Speaker 2: also play the Broncos. They you know, they have to play. Yeah,
Speaker 2: the Cowboys are gonna be pretty dec and the Vikings
Speaker 2: always give them a tough game, Seahawks and Rams twice.
Speaker 2: Like you said, there aren't that many breathers. They play
Speaker 2: the Chiefs and the Eagles to before to the season
Speaker 2: before they face the Cardinals at the end in the
Speaker 2: game where if they have a playoffs spot locked up,
Speaker 2: maybe you can get some rest there. But it's the NFL.
Speaker 2: It's it's tough to blow a team. You have to
Speaker 2: be pretty incompetent with the way that talent is spread
Speaker 2: out to get beaten that badly. And the Cardinals might
Speaker 2: be there at this point, especially seeing that Jeremiah Love
Speaker 2: already has a high ankle sprain and they lost a tackle,
Speaker 2: and you know, so maybe they they're a team that
Speaker 2: could be considered a patsy along with maybe the Dolphins
Speaker 2: because they seem to be tanking. But other than that,
Speaker 2: all these other teams are going for and if you
Speaker 2: mess up on special teams even once or twice, a
Speaker 2: team that's much worse than you on paper is right
Speaker 2: there with you in the fourth court.
Speaker 3: Yeah. No, it's gonna be very interesting. Again.
Speaker 1: We got Steve Berman here joining us on sports phone.
Speaker 1: K and br have you bought into the Dejon stribbling
Speaker 1: hype after what we've seen up to this point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, he looks really good in the first
Speaker 2: half of that preseason game, So I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: I used to be a training campbell all the time.
Speaker 2: My current job as an MLB editor and sometimes writer
Speaker 2: at the Athletics, so I'm not at training camp now,
Speaker 2: so I'd have to rely on reports and podcasts like
Speaker 2: pretty much everybody else. But you know, actually seeing him
Speaker 2: in person, not just you know, running, you know, little
Speaker 2: drills whenever they let you do the camera thing at
Speaker 2: training camp. He seems like someone who definitely has potential
Speaker 2: and Kyle. We'll see if Kyle sticks with him. In
Speaker 2: terms of confidence. I don't see him though, being like
Speaker 2: I can landing in a doghouse because he's not, you know,
Speaker 2: handling his route treat correctly or his blocking responsibilities correctly.
Speaker 2: Seemed like there, you know, I think there was a
Speaker 2: little bit of run blocking in the first series that
Speaker 2: Kyle's a little bit worried about. But scriblaying biol accounts
Speaker 2: seems like a really mature, low key kind of guy
Speaker 2: who gets really high key on the field and wants
Speaker 2: to smash people. And that fits in real well. And
Speaker 2: so does the speed element too. I mean, it just
Speaker 2: takes the top off of the defense in a way
Speaker 2: that a lot of you know that Juwan Jennings wasn't
Speaker 2: able to. When you have him as you number one receiver,
Speaker 2: you're kind of limited to a certain pockets of the field.
Speaker 2: So even when scribbling isn't involved in the play in
Speaker 2: terms of target, he could still actually help out a
Speaker 2: lot with the underneath crossing stuff. It helps out Devo
Speaker 2: quite a bit. And then he have Mike Evans, you know,
Speaker 2: as long as he can stay healthy and doing his thing.
Speaker 2: I do think that I understand now why the pick
Speaker 2: was made for sure, just watching him. The catch on
Speaker 2: the side down the sideline was fantastic, but also just
Speaker 2: even though I'm pretty sure he was probably out of
Speaker 2: bounds on that one play, but the way that he
Speaker 2: pushed forward for a couple extra yards, that's something that
Speaker 2: fires a team up. That's obviously something that gets first downs,
Speaker 2: which is even more important. And you know this is
Speaker 2: it seems like he's a guy who, at least will
Speaker 2: you could trust him to be on the field a
Speaker 2: majority of the time. From pretty much jump.
Speaker 1: We are joined by Steve Berman of the Athletic here
Speaker 1: on sportsphone KMBR, switching gears to the San Francisco Giants.
Speaker 1: Vytello gets the second year. Yeah, oh boy, cynical me.
Speaker 1: How much of that is because Buster Posey can say
Speaker 1: that knowing that we don't even know if the next
Speaker 1: season is happening at this point, Like he gives himself
Speaker 1: a lot of wiggle room with that statement. And not
Speaker 1: that I think that Tony Vitello is the problem any way,
Speaker 1: shape or form. He hasn't been the solution. But the
Speaker 1: Giants issues this year. I have not routinely been going, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the manager. It's a flawed baseball team, no way
Speaker 1: around it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that there was an interesting change I
Speaker 2: detected over the weekend, you know. And one of the
Speaker 2: writers I work with is Angel Baggerly, and we actually
Speaker 2: discussed this yesterday privately that after both losses to the Rockies,
Speaker 2: there was a different tone at postgame from Vitello. Now,
Speaker 2: for the buster can component he's a smart guy. I mean,
Speaker 2: he hasn't put together the greatest roster, and he can
Speaker 2: question some of his moves, but you know, I covered
Speaker 2: him for many many years, you know when he was playing.
Speaker 2: He is a smart, calculated person. There's no reason for
Speaker 2: him to say anything other than I think Fightel is
Speaker 2: doing a great job and there's no plans to change
Speaker 2: the major Like, why would you do that right now?
Speaker 2: So I don't think that is a fatacomplie that he stays.
Speaker 2: But I do think that Vitello has noticed that he
Speaker 2: needs to change the tone of how he's perceived quite
Speaker 2: a bit. On Friday. After Friday's game, he mentioned how
Speaker 2: sloppy the team was, the Walks and how that's something
Speaker 2: that really can't be tolerated. Right then, you know, then
Speaker 2: they win on Saturday, Okay, sure, you know it's the Rockies.
Speaker 2: And then yesterday's game was a complete higher fire. So
Speaker 2: he came out and he said there was a team meeting. Apparently,
Speaker 2: according to Bags that they had actually to wait quite
Speaker 2: a while for his press conference start because he was
Speaker 2: talking to the team and he and what he said,
Speaker 2: I'm sure that you guys have been talking about in
Speaker 2: the airwaves today is just how much you know people
Speaker 2: are paying to watch this stuff. You can't walk ten
Speaker 2: guys and have all these mental errors in the field
Speaker 2: and play this type of baseball that make what do
Speaker 2: you call it? And the money quote obviously was Juco baseball,
Speaker 2: and they tried to say, you know, well I was
Speaker 2: I played Juco baseball. So no disrespect to those guys, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, but when you're comparing major leaders to jucos,
Speaker 2: I guess there was more disrespect to the to the
Speaker 2: players that are on the major league team. Is what
Speaker 2: he what he meant and what I saw there was
Speaker 2: someone who realizes that the narratives that surrounding him is, hey,
Speaker 2: this guy, you know, he doesn't have control of the clubhouse.
Speaker 2: He's laying these major league players run roughshot over him.
Speaker 2: And we've seen there have been questions about why was
Speaker 2: there no discipline for Appydevers when he served him at
Speaker 2: the first at first base when Jonah Cox came out there.
Speaker 2: And also there was a pretty interesting part of that
Speaker 2: Brick piece and the Athletic about Buster saying that if
Speaker 2: I Tella told the team before the season started to
Speaker 2: consider him as a teammate, and that did not go
Speaker 2: over too well with a certain segment of the fan base,
Speaker 2: at least the people who read it or saw online.
Speaker 2: So I think that he knows now that he needs
Speaker 2: to change that perception pretty quickly. He also, you know,
Speaker 2: it probably is good to let the players know that
Speaker 2: they are paying customers, a lot of them a surprising
Speaker 2: number actually for how bad this team is, who were
Speaker 2: watching this stuff and shouldn't have to watch baseball the
Speaker 2: way it was played on Sunday. Especially Friday not so
Speaker 2: great either, but Sunday was just abominable.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, Mike Cruco came out and you know,
Speaker 1: said it was not a pretty style of baseball that
Speaker 1: people want to go out and see. Now, there have
Speaker 1: been some more empty crowds for the Giants in the
Speaker 1: last couple of weeks, just because the writing is on
Speaker 1: the wall. But I mean, I still think people are
Speaker 1: going to come out because it's such a great time out,
Speaker 1: not to steal from the Warriors, But there's never once
Speaker 1: we even watching the Giants get demolished where I've been
Speaker 1: at that park and said, boy, I wish I wasn't here,
Speaker 1: And I just wonder how much that's just going to
Speaker 1: continue to cloud the Giants' management, upper management, front office,
Speaker 1: their vision of what they need to do to make
Speaker 1: a pretty penny because that stadium. And again I've said,
Speaker 1: do you not want them to turn into the Rockies
Speaker 1: in terms of the fact, like, hey, this is a
Speaker 1: great place to go and you know, get cheap beer
Speaker 1: and watch entertainments. I would like it to be a
Speaker 1: team that strives for excellence, but when there's not an
Speaker 1: economic incentive to win in the same fashion there might
Speaker 1: be for other ball clubs, and the Giants have kind
Speaker 1: of found, you know, they've threaded a needle here.
Speaker 2: And that's been the complaint about the Cubs for decades, right,
Speaker 2: you know, at least like in modern years. All Right,
Speaker 2: we have this ballpark that everyone's going to come to
Speaker 2: anyways and make a summer trip out of it. So
Speaker 2: you know, as long as we're like semi fungible in
Speaker 2: the field, you know, and actually able to do something,
Speaker 2: then it doesn't really matter. And I think they've gone
Speaker 2: a little bit more pressure in recent years and try
Speaker 2: to be a contending team. This year they're pretty decent.
Speaker 2: They were aggressive of the deadline, and yeah, that has
Speaker 2: been a question. The questions fans have had about the
Speaker 2: Giants is are they relying on the park and also
Speaker 2: are they are they more interested in this ancillary stuff
Speaker 2: around the park, the real estate development too. You know,
Speaker 2: only they can answer that. When they don't go hard
Speaker 2: spending money on pitching, then you can question that for sure.
Speaker 2: I think that you're going to see some pretty sparse
Speaker 2: crowds here in the next few weeks because school's back
Speaker 2: in session. It's a real easy fun thing, especially on
Speaker 2: the weekends. But you know during the week todays when
Speaker 2: school's out, you know, take your kids, right. And I
Speaker 2: do think also the fact that there are more people
Speaker 2: working in offices in San Francisco now than there were two, three, four,
Speaker 2: five years ago, that's helping a little bit as well.
Speaker 2: But also I think, you know, this is the residual
Speaker 2: effect the decent attendance this year, people being excited about
Speaker 2: Buster being the president of baseball operations, you know, seeming
Speaker 2: like you know, hearkening back to when everything was great
Speaker 2: and the city was on fire with Giants, and now
Speaker 2: that the team has just been dreadful, and if there's
Speaker 2: a lockout, then I think that momentum is going to
Speaker 2: slow quite a bit. So I think the Giants, on
Speaker 2: one hand, might be like, all right, a lockout might
Speaker 2: be great, especially if there are some penalties inflicted on
Speaker 2: the Dodgers for doing what they do in terms of
Speaker 2: deferred contracts and spending. But also, you know, if you
Speaker 2: don't have if you don't have baseball for a while,
Speaker 2: and the last impression of Giants baseball was this, then
Speaker 2: how many season ticket renewals are you going to get?
Speaker 2: So they are kind of in this place where yes,
Speaker 2: right now, it's great. But also I've heard behind the
Speaker 2: scenes that you know, the Giants, even when you say, okay,
Speaker 2: they're averaging you know, thirty four to thirty five thousand
Speaker 2: a game, they feel like they can't really profit until
Speaker 2: they're close to forty. You know, those sellout years are
Speaker 2: the ones where they felt like they were actually making
Speaker 2: little money. So even like when the crowd looks pretty
Speaker 2: good for a game against the Royals, you know they're
Speaker 2: still looking at you like, now, we got to pack
Speaker 2: them in even more than this, And I think we
Speaker 2: have seen some cheaper tickets online recently as well on
Speaker 2: the secondary market.
Speaker 1: Regardless of what happens with this next baseball season, whenever
Speaker 1: the next baseball season is played, do you think the
Speaker 1: Giants are going to take steps to try and make
Speaker 1: amends with the greater Bay Area culture that is their
Speaker 1: fan base.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that they should. You know, at least
Speaker 2: if I was in the organization, it seems like that
Speaker 2: would make sense. I don't know what steps they would
Speaker 2: take and who to be in charge of deciding these things,
Speaker 2: you know. So that was one thing that was kind
Speaker 2: of unearthed a little bit with the Friday Night thing,
Speaker 2: was it seemed like they weren't really completely on the
Speaker 2: same page in terms of who was gonna talk and
Speaker 2: when and how we're gonna figure this out, how we're
Speaker 2: gonna get ahead of this situation, and so they resorted
Speaker 2: to the let's go head in the sands and hope
Speaker 2: it washes over us. Except for in this case right now,
Speaker 2: I mean, the WNBA is seeing this. When culture rules
Speaker 2: or stuff happens, there are certain segments that are seize
Speaker 2: upon it for to grifts and for money, you know,
Speaker 2: And you can say that for both sides, you know.
Speaker 2: I mean, people might argue one way or the other,
Speaker 2: but things like this do not go away because there's
Speaker 2: a certain segment that did not care a lick about
Speaker 2: the Giants. Couldn't name one giant past or present who
Speaker 2: seized on this right when it happened. And because it's like, oh,
Speaker 2: you know, I can get a bunch of likes and
Speaker 2: a bunch of exposure and all that kind of things.
Speaker 2: So they're gonna have to make some inroads here at
Speaker 2: some point. The best in roads obviously are to get
Speaker 2: talented players, and it could play. I think that one
Speaker 2: thing that they have in their back pocket is that
Speaker 2: they have some really good minor leaguers, it seems like,
Speaker 2: especially in the position player side, coming through the system.
Speaker 2: And I think you're seeing a lot more San Jose
Speaker 2: Giants games on TV recently, at least I've noticed that.
Speaker 2: And Joss Worganzalez is playing great right now and had
Speaker 2: to walk off hit just recently, and he looks electric.
Speaker 2: I think Luis and is right now is more strong
Speaker 2: on the defensive side than the offensive side, but he's
Speaker 2: got offensive tools as well, and they bo Davidson too,
Speaker 2: So that's the hope really is that this you know,
Speaker 2: and they promote, you know, teams promote guys a little
Speaker 2: sooner than they used to. So maybe they're just hoping that,
Speaker 2: all right, if we get young, vibrant players, that's how
Speaker 2: we'll get the fans back. But I do think that
Speaker 2: there'll be some interesting things whenever baseball comes back. They
Speaker 2: used to have real big marketing strategies. Remember they used
Speaker 2: to have commercials, signs around town slogans, all that kind
Speaker 2: of stuff. It's been a little quiet in the last
Speaker 2: couple of years. I think you might see a return
Speaker 2: to more aggressive marketing.
Speaker 1: One of the things you referenced was the Giant's success
Speaker 1: being dependent on bringing in some talent and you know,
Speaker 1: the product on the field. One of the things that's
Speaker 1: become more and more of a reality is people bringing
Speaker 1: up taxes with California. I heard it from Barkley Goodrow
Speaker 1: at the San Jose Sharks.
Speaker 3: At the end of the year. We have heard it
Speaker 3: just around from players.
Speaker 1: How come that's never a problem for the Dodgers and
Speaker 1: the Lakers, And I don't think I've really heard it
Speaker 1: brought up with the Warriors, to be fair, but why
Speaker 1: is there almost like a picking and choosing, Not that
Speaker 1: it's a psyop or something, but I'm like, why is
Speaker 1: this brought up more with the Bay Area than it
Speaker 1: is with other parts of California.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think housing prices might be the
Speaker 2: mix to along with it. So I think just for
Speaker 2: not or San Diego though no, I mean it's no,
Speaker 2: you're right, but the Bay Area. I think if guys
Speaker 2: want to live in a real nice area, it's a
Speaker 2: little easier to do that in LA and find a
Speaker 2: place that isn't quite so egregious, you know, if say,
Speaker 2: like if you want to live in San Francisco because
Speaker 2: you play with the San Francisco Giants or the Golden
Speaker 2: State Warriors, and you look at like what's available, you know,
Speaker 2: even like in a luxury condo, and how much that costs,
Speaker 2: and unless you just are not smart with your money
Speaker 2: at all, I mean, you give them money. Manager the
Speaker 2: plies saying probably just don't do that because because you'll
Speaker 2: be broke by the time, like five years after your
Speaker 2: career is over. So I think it's just a I
Speaker 2: think it's all wrapped into one. You know, they go
Speaker 2: get gas and it's too expensive. The you know, the
Speaker 2: tax bills too much. The real estate is too expensive,
Speaker 2: and so the tax one is real easy because complaining
Speaker 2: about real estate is kind of broke boy status, right. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, if you're an athlete, professional athlete, no one's
Speaker 2: gonna be like, well sorry that that. You know, you
Speaker 2: wanted a luxury crib and it's not working out for you.
Speaker 2: But everyone can get on board with taxes being too high, right,
Speaker 2: So I think that's just sort of the ise to
Speaker 2: a jore with the overall cost of living being so high.
Speaker 2: But yeah, that you don't you don't really hear with
Speaker 2: the Dodgers and the Lakers and the Warriors. Maybe it's
Speaker 2: the NBA. It's not that kind of culture. Although I
Speaker 2: mean Carmelo Anthony made waves is not that long ago
Speaker 2: when he was on a podcast talking about, you know
Speaker 2: how he made all this money in his career. But
Speaker 2: you don't make that much because you're paying your agent
Speaker 2: and also you pay taxes in every single city that
Speaker 2: you play in during the season, YadA, YadA, YadA, and
Speaker 2: everyone's like, okay, we're shedding, you know, huge tears for
Speaker 2: you here Yeah, so I do think maybe it's one
Speaker 2: of those deals where it's just one of those things
Speaker 2: where they all kind of talk about it internally and
Speaker 2: maybe just some very athletes and mentioned it more than others. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I've heard from you know, some I've actually heard niners
Speaker 2: guys say the real estate is too high, it's at
Speaker 2: certain points. I've never heard the tax thing, but yeah,
Speaker 2: it is a little bit weird. I don't I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's one of those deals where the
Speaker 2: regular person who lives here goes, really, you're gonna whind
Speaker 2: about that with your salary. Yeah, but yeah, these guys
Speaker 2: live in a different world than us.
Speaker 1: The thing that's interesting, and not that I'm going to
Speaker 1: be as much of the Bay Area liberal ted that
Speaker 1: I am. But if you look at the non taxation
Speaker 1: but made up for on the other side of state
Speaker 1: taxes with property taxes in both Texas and Florida, which
Speaker 1: you're see as quote unquote tax havens, you end up
Speaker 1: spending more money to live there than you do in California.
Speaker 3: So I just find it a weird argument that was
Speaker 3: never there.
Speaker 1: It's not like California's gotten suddenly that much more of
Speaker 1: a tax heavy state than it was, you know, five
Speaker 1: ten years ago, but now it's just it's become a
Speaker 1: consistent storyline. I just find it fascinating.
Speaker 2: That is an interesting point, and it probably is because
Speaker 2: a lot of these guys actually don't own property in
Speaker 2: the Bay Area. They rent and then they go move
Speaker 2: to Like a lot of the major league players live
Speaker 2: in Arizona during the off season, so I think that
Speaker 2: might be a part of it as well. A lot
Speaker 2: of them live in Tennessee. I don't actually know the
Speaker 2: Tennessee property tax situation, but just looking, I mean, just
Speaker 2: for some reason, I have not been researching Nashville real
Speaker 2: estate in property tax prices, but they're all floking there.
Speaker 2: I mean, and baseball players. The Niners have a bunch
Speaker 2: of people. I think Perdy and Kittle and Robert fall
Speaker 2: all live like real close to each other in the
Speaker 2: Nashville area. So I think that probably what they do
Speaker 2: is they looked and they go, hey, well, i'll rent here,
Speaker 2: that's fine, I can swing that. I'll live somewhere else
Speaker 2: that is cheaper during the off season and own real
Speaker 2: estate there. But man, these tax bills I'm getting on
Speaker 2: my paycheck. This is really annoying. And my money manager
Speaker 2: told me I can't buy this because you're not making
Speaker 2: as much after taxes as he's thought you would. That
Speaker 2: kind of thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it's I just find it interesting. But we
Speaker 1: can't crack the code here. But mister Burman, I will
Speaker 1: let you go. You've been very generous with your time
Speaker 1: as always, and I promise I will bug you again soon,
Speaker 1: all right
Speaker 2: Man, oh yeah, please do Ted, thank you