WEBVTT - Steve Berman from the Athletic stops by to talk with Ted Ramey on Sportshone 0:00:01.840 --> 0:00:04.960 All right, we now have joining us on sports phone KMBR. 0:00:05.040 --> 0:00:07.680 It is the great Steve Berman of the athletic mister Bermont. 0:00:07.760 --> 0:00:09.840 What's going on, man? How are you doing now? 0:00:09.920 --> 0:00:11.560 Much? Ted doing well? How are you? 0:00:11.560 --> 0:00:12.520 Do? You know? 0:00:12.720 --> 0:00:15.600 Just rolling along and waiting for the start of the 0:00:15.720 --> 0:00:18.239 NFL season. And I wanted to ask you about this 0:00:18.280 --> 0:00:21.560 because I got to thinking. Always dangerous when I get 0:00:21.560 --> 0:00:25.200 to thinking. But with the forty nine ers headed to Australia, 0:00:25.960 --> 0:00:28.240 even if Pablo Torre has told us that it's not 0:00:28.400 --> 0:00:33.159 the substation, I feel there's a very high possibility that 0:00:33.200 --> 0:00:35.200 there's going to be some sort of what we would 0:00:35.240 --> 0:00:39.159 call a catastrophic injury, whether that's nacyl and Achilles. 0:00:39.600 --> 0:00:41.080 Quad steps ten and whatever it is. 0:00:41.720 --> 0:00:45.239 And so I'm just curious if that happens, at what 0:00:45.400 --> 0:00:47.879 point is there going to be pushed back from the 0:00:48.040 --> 0:00:53.600 Union about these road trips to different time zones and 0:00:53.680 --> 0:00:58.200 different continents. Because I can't find a delect direct parallel 0:00:58.280 --> 0:01:02.600 beyond lega MS teams coming up to play Major League Soccer, 0:01:03.200 --> 0:01:06.800 even the European teams that travel, they come to the 0:01:06.920 --> 0:01:10.280 United States for like an extended stay, so that you could, 0:01:10.360 --> 0:01:11.959 you know, it used to be you could see MESSI 0:01:12.200 --> 0:01:13.960 with FC Barcelona because they were going to do the 0:01:14.640 --> 0:01:18.839 tour around America and it's not the high profile, intense games, 0:01:18.840 --> 0:01:22.920 and it's also soccer, which is not as violently injurious 0:01:23.120 --> 0:01:27.400 as the NFL. So like, how long does this international 0:01:27.440 --> 0:01:29.400 expansion keep on going with the NFL? 0:01:30.840 --> 0:01:34.040 Yeah, I think that it's going to be more on 0:01:34.080 --> 0:01:36.600 a team by team basis in terms of the complaints, 0:01:36.600 --> 0:01:38.720 and we know that this forty nine Ers team is 0:01:38.720 --> 0:01:42.280 not above complaining about their situation in terms of travel. 0:01:42.319 --> 0:01:44.800 Remember the Super Bowl when they were in Las Vegas 0:01:45.280 --> 0:01:47.600 and they got the lesser of practice facility because they 0:01:47.600 --> 0:01:51.880 are the road team, And there were some mumblings that 0:01:52.040 --> 0:01:55.320 Drake Greenlaw's injury, you know, he's dealing with I guess 0:01:55.400 --> 0:01:57.760 some sort of either cap or kille ten and I 0:01:57.920 --> 0:02:01.480 is kind of leading into the game that weird playing 0:02:01.520 --> 0:02:05.480 service that they are at UNLV contributed to him tearing 0:02:05.520 --> 0:02:08.360 it during the Super Bowl, which I think, you know, 0:02:08.520 --> 0:02:11.720 sort of like the Draymond Green suspension in twenty sixteen 0:02:11.760 --> 0:02:14.440 in the finals, like one of those deals where fans 0:02:14.480 --> 0:02:17.160 will go, you know what, if that didn't happen, we 0:02:17.280 --> 0:02:20.080 actually probably win the Championship that year, and then this 0:02:20.280 --> 0:02:22.880 year they have the two different International Games. They got 0:02:22.880 --> 0:02:26.280 to go to Mexico too, So I think that teams 0:02:26.400 --> 0:02:29.880 might be complaining about this. On the other hand, you know, 0:02:30.160 --> 0:02:32.400 others have said one of the things that forty nine 0:02:32.440 --> 0:02:34.760 ers have had to deal with a lot is these 0:02:34.800 --> 0:02:39.240 International Games is because in sort of weird scheduling with 0:02:39.360 --> 0:02:41.919 the prime time because they say no to hard knocks 0:02:41.919 --> 0:02:44.760 in the NFL says okay. And they've also gotten two Super 0:02:44.760 --> 0:02:48.400 Bowls pretty recently, probably the second one more recently than 0:02:48.440 --> 0:02:51.920 you would have expected, and you know, by proxy, all right, well, 0:02:51.919 --> 0:02:53.840 if you're not doing hard knocks and you get these 0:02:53.840 --> 0:02:57.000 Super Bowls, then we're gonna you're gonna go wherever we 0:02:57.080 --> 0:03:00.240 send you. So I think there's that portion. I think 0:03:00.240 --> 0:03:03.000 the players Union probably their biggest fight right now is 0:03:03.040 --> 0:03:06.800 not the International Park, but AstroTurf. You know, the artificial 0:03:06.840 --> 0:03:10.160 surfaces well much better than they were when we were children, 0:03:10.200 --> 0:03:12.400 when it was pretty much carpet on top of cement, 0:03:13.320 --> 0:03:15.959 you know. MetLife field is a subject that has been 0:03:16.080 --> 0:03:20.079 talked about many times, Niners included obviously, Yeah, with both 0:03:20.120 --> 0:03:22.400 of the Solomon Thomas in the same game, I think 0:03:22.480 --> 0:03:25.280 that's really where they are, especially after seeing the World 0:03:25.280 --> 0:03:28.800 Cup where all these places that have artificial surface through 0:03:28.840 --> 0:03:31.519 grass on and on TV it look fantastic. One of 0:03:31.600 --> 0:03:34.000 the things that the NFL owners say, not not say, 0:03:34.080 --> 0:03:37.280 but it's been said, is that the NFL owners actually 0:03:37.480 --> 0:03:40.520 like the artificial surface because they think it looks better 0:03:40.560 --> 0:03:41.200 on TV. 0:03:42.280 --> 0:03:45.640 Which is an interesting take, and I guess it tells 0:03:45.680 --> 0:03:48.880 you that that's the whole NFL is much much more 0:03:48.880 --> 0:03:51.400 at TV property now than actually going to the games. 0:03:51.800 --> 0:03:53.520 But I look at how there's not. 0:03:53.520 --> 0:03:55.800 Even a consensus on when to arrive, Like I would 0:03:55.840 --> 0:03:57.720 have thought that the Rams and the forty nine ers 0:03:57.760 --> 0:03:59.760 would be on similar schedules, and the Rams are saying 0:03:59.800 --> 0:04:02.880 there's citing previous travel and say, no, we're gonna go 0:04:03.000 --> 0:04:03.960 right beforehand. 0:04:04.320 --> 0:04:05.640 It's not going to be a lead up. 0:04:05.840 --> 0:04:08.160 And I just I find that kind of staggering, because 0:04:08.520 --> 0:04:10.960 not that I'm wishing this upon anyone, and I feel 0:04:10.960 --> 0:04:15.040 bad for bringing up, but if that if the rams 0:04:15.080 --> 0:04:18.520 schedule coincide with with a catastrophic injury for their team, 0:04:18.880 --> 0:04:21.320 everyone's gonna point to that, even if that is only 0:04:21.360 --> 0:04:23.440 a correlation and not necessarily a causation. 0:04:24.279 --> 0:04:26.720 Sure, absolutely I think there's a lot of science has 0:04:26.800 --> 0:04:29.440 yet to be done about a lot of these things. 0:04:29.440 --> 0:04:32.039 With travel, you know, nowadays, a lot of teams would 0:04:32.080 --> 0:04:34.800 have you know, talked about the NBA for example, a 0:04:34.800 --> 0:04:37.560 lot of teams will stay the night instead of flyback 0:04:37.600 --> 0:04:40.000 on a sort of a red eye flight. They say 0:04:40.040 --> 0:04:42.479 that's sleep. Experts to tell them that's better just to 0:04:42.520 --> 0:04:45.240 sleep in that hotel and then fly back the next morning, 0:04:45.279 --> 0:04:48.039 whereas they didn't used to do that before. Is that 0:04:48.120 --> 0:04:51.080 really helped the NBA in terms of injuries, I'm not 0:04:51.120 --> 0:04:53.280 so sure. Definitely not with Achilles taars, so that could 0:04:53.320 --> 0:04:56.320 be based on a whole other set of circumstances. And 0:04:56.360 --> 0:04:58.120 the forty nine ers have changed a lot of their 0:04:58.120 --> 0:05:00.520 stuff in terms of travel in recent years too. I mean, 0:05:00.560 --> 0:05:03.880 remember they go to the Greenbrier in West Virginia whenever 0:05:03.920 --> 0:05:06.599 they had a two week road trip, you know, Midwest 0:05:06.600 --> 0:05:08.919 East coast, and the players don't really like it at 0:05:08.960 --> 0:05:11.760 all because they're away from home so long. And I 0:05:11.800 --> 0:05:15.240 think they're actually the Niners sometimes are kind of rethinking 0:05:15.279 --> 0:05:17.120 some of that, maybe not staying at least at that 0:05:17.160 --> 0:05:18.040 hotel anymore. 0:05:18.760 --> 0:05:19.000 Yeah. 0:05:19.080 --> 0:05:21.440 I also it kind of speaks to the nature of 0:05:21.480 --> 0:05:25.320 both teams with this Australia trip in particular, because you 0:05:25.400 --> 0:05:29.080 have the forty nine ers who were very careful about 0:05:29.120 --> 0:05:33.600 their cash expenditures last year and I had a fairly 0:05:33.720 --> 0:05:37.720 cautious I would say off season. It wasn't super super aggressive, 0:05:38.120 --> 0:05:40.599 while the Rams are just like, screw it, you know, 0:05:40.680 --> 0:05:42.760 we're gonna go get it. We're gonna we're gonna go 0:05:42.760 --> 0:05:45.480 get Miles Garrett, you know, and we're gonna trade for 0:05:45.560 --> 0:05:50.000 a cornerback and do pretty much are just putting all 0:05:50.040 --> 0:05:52.080 their chips in right now. And it seems like they've 0:05:52.120 --> 0:05:54.680 done that multiple times over the past few years. So 0:05:55.160 --> 0:05:57.359 it just sort of speaks to the different personalities I 0:05:57.400 --> 0:05:59.080 think of both organizations. 0:05:59.360 --> 0:06:02.400 What do you make of the CMC contract talk and 0:06:02.440 --> 0:06:05.040 the soreness and that popping up from Mike Florio. I 0:06:05.120 --> 0:06:06.920 think that was earlier this morning. I feel like that 0:06:07.160 --> 0:06:09.159 has already been out of this in the news cycle 0:06:09.200 --> 0:06:11.000 for so long, but that's maybe because that was up 0:06:11.000 --> 0:06:12.599 at about four thirty this morning. 0:06:13.640 --> 0:06:18.760 Well, Paulaly, not a coincidence that these types of things 0:06:18.800 --> 0:06:22.520 that we talked about after Jonathan Taylor got paid and 0:06:24.200 --> 0:06:28.640 multiple running backs John Robinson got paid and then Jamior 0:06:28.680 --> 0:06:32.080 Gibbs got paid like right afterwards, like just barely over that, 0:06:32.680 --> 0:06:34.919 and mccaffery's looking at it, saying, all right, well, this 0:06:35.000 --> 0:06:37.760 is my last chance to really cash in. If Premiere 0:06:37.839 --> 0:06:40.320 running backs, the guys you draft in the first rounds 0:06:40.360 --> 0:06:43.280 in fantasy are getting paid like this, at least a 0:06:43.320 --> 0:06:45.360 little bit better. They'd still be like the thirty fifth 0:06:45.400 --> 0:06:48.480 pit or twenty fifth that's paid wide receiver, but it's 0:06:48.480 --> 0:06:50.240 still better than they were, you know, just even a 0:06:50.320 --> 0:06:53.520 year ago. Then this is now is the time to strike. 0:06:54.000 --> 0:06:56.400 And the forty nine ers are kind of over barely, 0:06:56.600 --> 0:06:58.800 just like they are with Trent Williams too. You know, 0:06:58.960 --> 0:07:01.400 what are they gonna do? The other two guys that 0:07:01.400 --> 0:07:03.760 are behind him are hurt as well, with I think 0:07:04.080 --> 0:07:07.239 obviously legitimate injuries, because there's no reason for those guys 0:07:07.279 --> 0:07:07.960 to sit out. 0:07:08.920 --> 0:07:10.920 When CMC. 0:07:11.880 --> 0:07:14.480 Has a heavy load year, as they call it, they 0:07:14.520 --> 0:07:16.720 say he's not as good the next year. I don't 0:07:16.760 --> 0:07:19.040 know how accurate that is. What are you expecting to 0:07:19.120 --> 0:07:21.640 CEMC this year, knowing how much work he did last year? 0:07:22.440 --> 0:07:25.040 I don't know if it's in Kyle's nature to do 0:07:25.120 --> 0:07:29.080 anything other than maximize CMC for every single game that 0:07:29.160 --> 0:07:32.160 he could possibly play. That's just the way it goes 0:07:32.240 --> 0:07:36.200 with them. I mean, obviously they'd probably go into it say, 0:07:36.240 --> 0:07:39.880 all right, we have these things scheduled out, and we 0:07:39.960 --> 0:07:43.440 can't have him have the most touches ever as he 0:07:43.480 --> 0:07:45.960 did last year, all of his most touches ever, but 0:07:46.040 --> 0:07:48.520 just felt like a shirt amount of touches for a 0:07:48.600 --> 0:07:52.920 guy who's spent the year before with all these different 0:07:53.080 --> 0:07:55.920 sort of injuries. But you know, I mean Jordan James, 0:07:55.960 --> 0:07:58.400 I think is the guy who's talented Calon Black. They 0:07:58.400 --> 0:08:02.480 were talking about him really in camp, who could fit 0:08:02.520 --> 0:08:04.760 in well with the way the forty nine ers do 0:08:04.840 --> 0:08:07.600 things and seem like a guy that people were talking 0:08:07.680 --> 0:08:11.080 highly of. But they're both on the shelf. So if 0:08:11.120 --> 0:08:12.720 they're on the shelf now and they're not getting that 0:08:12.720 --> 0:08:16.800 practice time in, then will Kyle trust them in key situations? 0:08:17.240 --> 0:08:19.400 And will the forty nine ers be in enough games 0:08:19.440 --> 0:08:23.520 where they're blown out opponents to sit CMC. And also 0:08:23.560 --> 0:08:25.800 that's the other thing. A lot of times when they've 0:08:25.800 --> 0:08:29.000 had the blowout situations, either getting blown out or blown 0:08:29.000 --> 0:08:32.640 out another team. You know, everyone's a blaze on social 0:08:32.720 --> 0:08:38.000 media because mccaffery's still in the game, getting for three downs, 0:08:38.280 --> 0:08:41.320 for all three downs, and they're like Kyle, like, this 0:08:41.360 --> 0:08:43.440 is the time to let him sit on the bench. 0:08:44.200 --> 0:08:46.840 So I don't know, I believe when I see it, 0:08:46.880 --> 0:08:49.280 I think is pretty much the long story short of this. 0:08:49.559 --> 0:08:52.319 Well, the thing about the Kyle Shanahan era forty nine 0:08:52.400 --> 0:08:54.160 Ers is there have been so many games which have 0:08:54.240 --> 0:08:57.480 statistically been blowouts for the forty nine Ers in favor 0:08:57.520 --> 0:08:59.480 of them, but it's a really tight game to where 0:08:59.480 --> 0:09:02.160 they also have to keep all their starters out there 0:09:02.160 --> 0:09:04.600 and really work hard late and deep into the game 0:09:04.679 --> 0:09:06.800 to kind of lock it up. And I don't expect 0:09:06.840 --> 0:09:09.440 that to change this year either, because I look at 0:09:09.440 --> 0:09:11.520 the Rams and the Seahawks, and I see the forty 0:09:11.600 --> 0:09:13.720 nine Ers as a team that can get into the playoffs. 0:09:13.760 --> 0:09:15.640 But I don't see them as good. 0:09:15.440 --> 0:09:18.160 As those two other teams right now, which means that 0:09:17.920 --> 0:09:20.480 that's at least four games that they're gonna be fighting, 0:09:20.679 --> 0:09:22.199 you know, all the way to the end, at least, 0:09:22.240 --> 0:09:24.560 I would assume. And it's not gonna be just four, 0:09:24.640 --> 0:09:26.080 it's gonna be many many games. 0:09:26.720 --> 0:09:30.000 Yeah. I mean, their schedule is not quite as favorable 0:09:30.000 --> 0:09:31.520 as it was last year. They do get to play 0:09:31.559 --> 0:09:34.360 the Dolphins after they get back. That's pretty nice, and 0:09:34.360 --> 0:09:36.439 then the Cardinals are after that, so maybe they get 0:09:36.440 --> 0:09:38.160 a little bit of a breather there, but you never know. 0:09:38.200 --> 0:09:40.520 In the NFL, a lot of times everyone says that 0:09:40.600 --> 0:09:42.600 the team's gonna be awesome, they end up being six 0:09:42.640 --> 0:09:45.760 and eleven and vice versa. So, you know, but they 0:09:45.800 --> 0:09:49.960 also play the Broncos. They you know, they have to play. Yeah, 0:09:50.160 --> 0:09:52.000 the Cowboys are gonna be pretty dec and the Vikings 0:09:52.000 --> 0:09:54.560 always give them a tough game, Seahawks and Rams twice. 0:09:54.559 --> 0:09:57.040 Like you said, there aren't that many breathers. They play 0:09:57.080 --> 0:10:00.439 the Chiefs and the Eagles to before to the season 0:10:00.480 --> 0:10:02.160 before they face the Cardinals at the end in the 0:10:02.200 --> 0:10:04.800 game where if they have a playoffs spot locked up, 0:10:04.800 --> 0:10:07.840 maybe you can get some rest there. But it's the NFL. 0:10:07.920 --> 0:10:09.880 It's it's tough to blow a team. You have to 0:10:09.880 --> 0:10:12.679 be pretty incompetent with the way that talent is spread 0:10:12.720 --> 0:10:15.959 out to get beaten that badly. And the Cardinals might 0:10:16.040 --> 0:10:18.600 be there at this point, especially seeing that Jeremiah Love 0:10:18.640 --> 0:10:21.760 already has a high ankle sprain and they lost a tackle, 0:10:21.920 --> 0:10:25.240 and you know, so maybe they they're a team that 0:10:25.320 --> 0:10:27.920 could be considered a patsy along with maybe the Dolphins 0:10:27.920 --> 0:10:30.480 because they seem to be tanking. But other than that, 0:10:30.640 --> 0:10:33.079 all these other teams are going for and if you 0:10:33.280 --> 0:10:36.320 mess up on special teams even once or twice, a 0:10:36.400 --> 0:10:39.040 team that's much worse than you on paper is right 0:10:39.040 --> 0:10:40.240 there with you in the fourth court. 0:10:40.600 --> 0:10:42.360 Yeah. No, it's gonna be very interesting. Again. 0:10:42.400 --> 0:10:45.080 We got Steve Berman here joining us on sports phone. 0:10:45.200 --> 0:10:48.000 K and br have you bought into the Dejon stribbling 0:10:48.040 --> 0:10:49.600 hype after what we've seen up to this point. 0:10:51.280 --> 0:10:55.200 Yeah, I mean, he looks really good in the first 0:10:55.240 --> 0:10:58.320 half of that preseason game, So I mean, you know, 0:10:58.440 --> 0:11:00.360 I used to be a training campbell all the time. 0:11:00.400 --> 0:11:03.240 My current job as an MLB editor and sometimes writer 0:11:03.600 --> 0:11:06.120 at the Athletics, so I'm not at training camp now, 0:11:06.120 --> 0:11:09.120 so I'd have to rely on reports and podcasts like 0:11:09.280 --> 0:11:12.320 pretty much everybody else. But you know, actually seeing him 0:11:12.360 --> 0:11:14.760 in person, not just you know, running, you know, little 0:11:14.840 --> 0:11:17.400 drills whenever they let you do the camera thing at 0:11:17.400 --> 0:11:20.960 training camp. He seems like someone who definitely has potential 0:11:21.160 --> 0:11:25.680 and Kyle. We'll see if Kyle sticks with him. In 0:11:25.720 --> 0:11:28.880 terms of confidence. I don't see him though, being like 0:11:29.040 --> 0:11:32.000 I can landing in a doghouse because he's not, you know, 0:11:32.120 --> 0:11:36.040 handling his route treat correctly or his blocking responsibilities correctly. 0:11:36.480 --> 0:11:38.439 Seemed like there, you know, I think there was a 0:11:38.440 --> 0:11:40.800 little bit of run blocking in the first series that 0:11:40.880 --> 0:11:44.319 Kyle's a little bit worried about. But scriblaying biol accounts 0:11:44.320 --> 0:11:47.480 seems like a really mature, low key kind of guy 0:11:48.200 --> 0:11:50.880 who gets really high key on the field and wants 0:11:50.920 --> 0:11:54.800 to smash people. And that fits in real well. And 0:11:54.840 --> 0:11:56.800 so does the speed element too. I mean, it just 0:11:56.840 --> 0:11:58.600 takes the top off of the defense in a way 0:11:58.960 --> 0:12:01.480 that a lot of you know that Juwan Jennings wasn't 0:12:01.520 --> 0:12:04.280 able to. When you have him as you number one receiver, 0:12:04.320 --> 0:12:06.600 you're kind of limited to a certain pockets of the field. 0:12:07.040 --> 0:12:10.600 So even when scribbling isn't involved in the play in 0:12:10.679 --> 0:12:13.360 terms of target, he could still actually help out a 0:12:13.400 --> 0:12:16.679 lot with the underneath crossing stuff. It helps out Devo 0:12:16.800 --> 0:12:19.040 quite a bit. And then he have Mike Evans, you know, 0:12:19.080 --> 0:12:21.000 as long as he can stay healthy and doing his thing. 0:12:21.800 --> 0:12:25.760 I do think that I understand now why the pick 0:12:25.840 --> 0:12:28.679 was made for sure, just watching him. The catch on 0:12:28.760 --> 0:12:32.000 the side down the sideline was fantastic, but also just 0:12:32.160 --> 0:12:34.520 even though I'm pretty sure he was probably out of 0:12:34.520 --> 0:12:37.080 bounds on that one play, but the way that he 0:12:37.160 --> 0:12:40.319 pushed forward for a couple extra yards, that's something that 0:12:40.400 --> 0:12:43.319 fires a team up. That's obviously something that gets first downs, 0:12:43.360 --> 0:12:46.400 which is even more important. And you know this is 0:12:46.520 --> 0:12:49.400 it seems like he's a guy who, at least will 0:12:49.480 --> 0:12:51.920 you could trust him to be on the field a 0:12:52.000 --> 0:12:54.400 majority of the time. From pretty much jump. 0:12:55.000 --> 0:12:57.680 We are joined by Steve Berman of the Athletic here 0:12:57.880 --> 0:13:02.760 on sportsphone KMBR, switching gears to the San Francisco Giants. 0:13:04.040 --> 0:13:10.199 Vytello gets the second year. Yeah, oh boy, cynical me. 0:13:11.080 --> 0:13:13.720 How much of that is because Buster Posey can say 0:13:13.760 --> 0:13:16.320 that knowing that we don't even know if the next 0:13:16.320 --> 0:13:19.439 season is happening at this point, Like he gives himself 0:13:19.760 --> 0:13:22.480 a lot of wiggle room with that statement. And not 0:13:22.600 --> 0:13:24.839 that I think that Tony Vitello is the problem any way, 0:13:24.840 --> 0:13:27.520 shape or form. He hasn't been the solution. But the 0:13:27.559 --> 0:13:31.360 Giants issues this year. I have not routinely been going, oh, yeah, 0:13:31.400 --> 0:13:34.800 that's the manager. It's a flawed baseball team, no way 0:13:34.840 --> 0:13:35.240 around it. 0:13:36.640 --> 0:13:39.480 Yeah. I think that there was an interesting change I 0:13:39.679 --> 0:13:42.240 detected over the weekend, you know. And one of the 0:13:42.240 --> 0:13:46.000 writers I work with is Angel Baggerly, and we actually 0:13:46.080 --> 0:13:51.000 discussed this yesterday privately that after both losses to the Rockies, 0:13:51.240 --> 0:13:55.959 there was a different tone at postgame from Vitello. Now, 0:13:56.040 --> 0:13:59.040 for the buster can component he's a smart guy. I mean, 0:13:59.400 --> 0:14:02.440 he hasn't put together the greatest roster, and he can 0:14:02.520 --> 0:14:04.800 question some of his moves, but you know, I covered 0:14:04.840 --> 0:14:08.720 him for many many years, you know when he was playing. 0:14:09.080 --> 0:14:12.200 He is a smart, calculated person. There's no reason for 0:14:12.280 --> 0:14:14.480 him to say anything other than I think Fightel is 0:14:14.520 --> 0:14:16.959 doing a great job and there's no plans to change 0:14:16.960 --> 0:14:19.520 the major Like, why would you do that right now? 0:14:20.520 --> 0:14:23.480 So I don't think that is a fatacomplie that he stays. 0:14:24.720 --> 0:14:28.760 But I do think that Vitello has noticed that he 0:14:28.840 --> 0:14:31.440 needs to change the tone of how he's perceived quite 0:14:31.480 --> 0:14:35.560 a bit. On Friday. After Friday's game, he mentioned how 0:14:35.760 --> 0:14:39.240 sloppy the team was, the Walks and how that's something 0:14:39.280 --> 0:14:42.240 that really can't be tolerated. Right then, you know, then 0:14:42.240 --> 0:14:46.120 they win on Saturday, Okay, sure, you know it's the Rockies. 0:14:46.560 --> 0:14:50.040 And then yesterday's game was a complete higher fire. So 0:14:50.960 --> 0:14:56.160 he came out and he said there was a team meeting. Apparently, 0:14:56.200 --> 0:14:59.120 according to Bags that they had actually to wait quite 0:14:59.160 --> 0:15:00.960 a while for his press conference start because he was 0:15:01.000 --> 0:15:03.240 talking to the team and he and what he said, 0:15:03.360 --> 0:15:04.800 I'm sure that you guys have been talking about in 0:15:04.800 --> 0:15:08.920 the airwaves today is just how much you know people 0:15:08.920 --> 0:15:11.640 are paying to watch this stuff. You can't walk ten 0:15:11.720 --> 0:15:14.320 guys and have all these mental errors in the field 0:15:14.800 --> 0:15:17.080 and play this type of baseball that make what do 0:15:17.160 --> 0:15:20.520 you call it? And the money quote obviously was Juco baseball, 0:15:20.840 --> 0:15:22.840 and they tried to say, you know, well I was 0:15:22.920 --> 0:15:26.880 I played Juco baseball. So no disrespect to those guys, Yeah, 0:15:26.920 --> 0:15:29.800 I mean, but when you're comparing major leaders to jucos, 0:15:30.440 --> 0:15:32.320 I guess there was more disrespect to the to the 0:15:32.320 --> 0:15:34.320 players that are on the major league team. Is what 0:15:34.360 --> 0:15:36.920 he what he meant and what I saw there was 0:15:37.960 --> 0:15:41.840 someone who realizes that the narratives that surrounding him is, hey, 0:15:42.240 --> 0:15:45.080 this guy, you know, he doesn't have control of the clubhouse. 0:15:45.080 --> 0:15:48.040 He's laying these major league players run roughshot over him. 0:15:48.640 --> 0:15:50.840 And we've seen there have been questions about why was 0:15:50.880 --> 0:15:54.160 there no discipline for Appydevers when he served him at 0:15:54.160 --> 0:15:56.520 the first at first base when Jonah Cox came out there. 0:15:56.920 --> 0:15:59.480 And also there was a pretty interesting part of that 0:15:59.520 --> 0:16:03.840 Brick piece and the Athletic about Buster saying that if 0:16:03.880 --> 0:16:07.080 I Tella told the team before the season started to 0:16:07.160 --> 0:16:10.080 consider him as a teammate, and that did not go 0:16:10.120 --> 0:16:12.840 over too well with a certain segment of the fan base, 0:16:12.920 --> 0:16:15.440 at least the people who read it or saw online. 0:16:15.520 --> 0:16:18.360 So I think that he knows now that he needs 0:16:18.400 --> 0:16:21.160 to change that perception pretty quickly. He also, you know, 0:16:21.880 --> 0:16:24.560 it probably is good to let the players know that 0:16:24.560 --> 0:16:27.920 they are paying customers, a lot of them a surprising 0:16:28.040 --> 0:16:30.840 number actually for how bad this team is, who were 0:16:30.880 --> 0:16:33.080 watching this stuff and shouldn't have to watch baseball the 0:16:33.120 --> 0:16:36.480 way it was played on Sunday. Especially Friday not so 0:16:36.560 --> 0:16:38.440 great either, but Sunday was just abominable. 0:16:38.920 --> 0:16:41.480 Yeah, I mean, Mike Cruco came out and you know, 0:16:41.600 --> 0:16:45.280 said it was not a pretty style of baseball that 0:16:45.360 --> 0:16:47.960 people want to go out and see. Now, there have 0:16:48.160 --> 0:16:51.200 been some more empty crowds for the Giants in the 0:16:51.240 --> 0:16:53.280 last couple of weeks, just because the writing is on 0:16:53.360 --> 0:16:56.600 the wall. But I mean, I still think people are 0:16:56.600 --> 0:16:59.320 going to come out because it's such a great time out, 0:16:59.400 --> 0:17:03.440 not to steal from the Warriors, But there's never once 0:17:03.640 --> 0:17:06.719 we even watching the Giants get demolished where I've been 0:17:06.760 --> 0:17:09.440 at that park and said, boy, I wish I wasn't here, 0:17:10.040 --> 0:17:11.639 And I just wonder how much that's just going to 0:17:11.720 --> 0:17:15.879 continue to cloud the Giants' management, upper management, front office, 0:17:15.920 --> 0:17:18.880 their vision of what they need to do to make 0:17:18.920 --> 0:17:21.920 a pretty penny because that stadium. And again I've said, 0:17:21.960 --> 0:17:23.600 do you not want them to turn into the Rockies 0:17:23.640 --> 0:17:24.960 in terms of the fact, like, hey, this is a 0:17:24.960 --> 0:17:27.680 great place to go and you know, get cheap beer 0:17:27.720 --> 0:17:30.199 and watch entertainments. I would like it to be a 0:17:30.240 --> 0:17:33.719 team that strives for excellence, but when there's not an 0:17:33.760 --> 0:17:37.320 economic incentive to win in the same fashion there might 0:17:37.359 --> 0:17:39.600 be for other ball clubs, and the Giants have kind 0:17:39.600 --> 0:17:42.160 of found, you know, they've threaded a needle here. 0:17:43.560 --> 0:17:47.080 And that's been the complaint about the Cubs for decades, right, 0:17:47.400 --> 0:17:50.720 you know, at least like in modern years. All Right, 0:17:50.760 --> 0:17:52.800 we have this ballpark that everyone's going to come to 0:17:52.840 --> 0:17:54.800 anyways and make a summer trip out of it. So 0:17:55.280 --> 0:17:59.199 you know, as long as we're like semi fungible in 0:17:59.200 --> 0:18:01.520 the field, you know, and actually able to do something, 0:18:02.080 --> 0:18:04.440 then it doesn't really matter. And I think they've gone 0:18:04.440 --> 0:18:07.240 a little bit more pressure in recent years and try 0:18:07.280 --> 0:18:09.960 to be a contending team. This year they're pretty decent. 0:18:09.960 --> 0:18:12.399 They were aggressive of the deadline, and yeah, that has 0:18:12.440 --> 0:18:15.679 been a question. The questions fans have had about the 0:18:15.680 --> 0:18:18.600 Giants is are they relying on the park and also 0:18:18.640 --> 0:18:21.920 are they are they more interested in this ancillary stuff 0:18:21.960 --> 0:18:25.360 around the park, the real estate development too. You know, 0:18:25.520 --> 0:18:28.760 only they can answer that. When they don't go hard 0:18:28.880 --> 0:18:32.080 spending money on pitching, then you can question that for sure. 0:18:33.320 --> 0:18:36.159 I think that you're going to see some pretty sparse 0:18:36.200 --> 0:18:40.600 crowds here in the next few weeks because school's back 0:18:40.640 --> 0:18:44.560 in session. It's a real easy fun thing, especially on 0:18:44.600 --> 0:18:47.080 the weekends. But you know during the week todays when 0:18:47.359 --> 0:18:49.919 school's out, you know, take your kids, right. And I 0:18:49.960 --> 0:18:52.520 do think also the fact that there are more people 0:18:52.560 --> 0:18:56.240 working in offices in San Francisco now than there were two, three, four, 0:18:56.520 --> 0:18:59.480 five years ago, that's helping a little bit as well. 0:19:00.119 --> 0:19:02.200 But also I think, you know, this is the residual 0:19:02.240 --> 0:19:06.679 effect the decent attendance this year, people being excited about 0:19:07.040 --> 0:19:11.119 Buster being the president of baseball operations, you know, seeming 0:19:11.240 --> 0:19:14.639 like you know, hearkening back to when everything was great 0:19:14.680 --> 0:19:18.080 and the city was on fire with Giants, and now 0:19:18.119 --> 0:19:21.720 that the team has just been dreadful, and if there's 0:19:21.760 --> 0:19:24.240 a lockout, then I think that momentum is going to 0:19:24.280 --> 0:19:26.480 slow quite a bit. So I think the Giants, on 0:19:26.480 --> 0:19:29.359 one hand, might be like, all right, a lockout might 0:19:29.520 --> 0:19:32.080 be great, especially if there are some penalties inflicted on 0:19:32.119 --> 0:19:33.920 the Dodgers for doing what they do in terms of 0:19:33.960 --> 0:19:38.240 deferred contracts and spending. But also, you know, if you 0:19:38.280 --> 0:19:40.480 don't have if you don't have baseball for a while, 0:19:40.840 --> 0:19:44.760 and the last impression of Giants baseball was this, then 0:19:44.960 --> 0:19:47.000 how many season ticket renewals are you going to get? 0:19:47.400 --> 0:19:49.840 So they are kind of in this place where yes, 0:19:50.000 --> 0:19:53.600 right now, it's great. But also I've heard behind the 0:19:53.600 --> 0:19:56.639 scenes that you know, the Giants, even when you say, okay, 0:19:56.680 --> 0:19:58.840 they're averaging you know, thirty four to thirty five thousand 0:19:58.920 --> 0:20:03.160