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Speaker 2: They pick it up and they go deep down the

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Speaker 2: Help about that, Jack Van McMillan, p oh, this.

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Speaker 1: We we're gonna need you on this one. Jane, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: this is really close.

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure that Cooks has possession coming to the

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Speaker 2: To say that it would be simultaneous.

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Speaker 4: It feels to me like Cooks doesn't have firm possession

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Speaker 1: it's coming from inside the airplane. Jays Kersky from the

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Speaker 1: Buffalo News joints this, Good morning, Jay. How are you.

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Speaker 5: I'm doing well again? Good morning.

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Speaker 1: First of all, thanks for taking the time. This is

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Speaker 1: a special edition in emergency edition, right, a little of

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Speaker 1: emergency edition. But when we found out you got the call,

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Speaker 1: we really wanted to sort of, you know, have you

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Speaker 1: just put us into that moment, you know, as you've said,

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Speaker 1: Because to have a coach call about officiating from the plane,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, it was just it's highly unusual.

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Speaker 6: Obviously, it's you know, a moment that had not happened

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Speaker 6: And yes, I mean the situation is this. You know,

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Speaker 7: Or so, making it to the divisional round, but.

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Speaker 6: You know, not being able to advance to their ultimate goal.

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Speaker 6: It has been very difficult. But the loss on Saturday

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Speaker 6: and so you know, Sean McDermott did his his news

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Speaker 6: conference after the game, I thought, you know, spoke, you know,

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Speaker 6: in in in very good depth about the play, in

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Speaker 7: That you guys just there there, and you know, I

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Speaker 6: So so what happens is, you know, we go down

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Speaker 6: McDermott has more than he wants to say about that play.

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Speaker 6: Can can he give you a call? And I said, yeah,

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Speaker 6: Sean mcgermot's calling my cell phone, you know, and basically saying,

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Speaker 6: You know, publicly and in a pool report, and you know,

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Speaker 6: I cannot be convinced that this wasn't a catch. And

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Speaker 6: that way out of respect to him, but not all

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Speaker 1: The off the record stuff, would it have something to

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Speaker 1: The things that the NFL said afterwards drove me insane.

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Speaker 1: When I saw the quote from chef Scheffer's I you know,

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Speaker 2: There was a lot of precedents though that it was

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Speaker 1: The AFC Championship game in twenty twenty five thing, Xavier

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Speaker 6: Well, you know, it feels to me like there is

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Speaker 6: it is a perfect example of how that play was.

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Speaker 7: Officiated one way and it was officiated.

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Speaker 6: Another way in January and Pro Football Talk, I thought

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Speaker 6: then when his knee touches the play is over. Well,

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Speaker 6: I don't see how if that was the standard that

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Speaker 1: He got the quote, by the way from Mark Butterworth.

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Speaker 6: That's that's kind of where I land on that, and

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Speaker 6: Gene's terrator to post a poll on social media catcher

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Speaker 6: supposed to describe in very clear terms two people watching

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Speaker 5: And why or why not?

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Speaker 6: And to leave it for people to decide at home

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Speaker 5: This is not the bill season was on the line.

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Speaker 6: Gene's territori should have been in that locker room asking

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Speaker 7: Decide what it was, so I was really disgusted by

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Speaker 6: I do believe that there are ways that you could

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Speaker 6: Twenty four thirty six hours, whatever it's been, has been nothing.

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Speaker 6: But you know, people on both sides of this argument,

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Speaker 6: But obviously the NFL sees it differently, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, and more of the precedents that was broken here

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Speaker 2: calls that could have been made multiple times the first

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Speaker 2: sixty minutes. Now one pass interference we saw Brandon Cooks

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Speaker 2: late in the fourth quarter get violated, just like what

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Speaker 2: we saw they call pass interference for on the Broncos

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Speaker 2: I felt like I felt like we got pass interfering.

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Speaker 5: To get it right.

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Speaker 1: No, because if you want to rush the regular season games,

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Speaker 1: I I don't get all right, you know, there will

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Speaker 6: At times, he missed plays that he normally makes. He

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Speaker 5: I'm counting, you know three in particular. He misses Dawson Knox.

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Speaker 5: You'd love to see him.

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Speaker 5: Josh Allen did not do that.

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Speaker 6: That was a rookie That was a rookie year Josh

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Speaker 6: So that being you know, all of those things being

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Speaker 3: They lost this game.

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Speaker 6: Again, that's not to say it's solely his fault.

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Speaker 5: It certainly is not.

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Speaker 6: But we are accustomed to seeing Josh Allen make make

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Speaker 1: Do you bounce Joe Brady because of it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well we might lose them anyway. He's interviewing verhead

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Speaker 6: I mean listening to three, you know, three head coach

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Speaker 5: You know, the play to Cooks.

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Speaker 5: So again, and I know how that sounds, right, guys,

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Speaker 6: If this You know, if the Bills lost this game

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Speaker 5: Because my mind different.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, there are three elements of a catch, right, you

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Speaker 5: He didn't a football move.

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Speaker 5: I don't know how that can't be classified as a

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Speaker 5: Oh that's no. I mean they played a big part.

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Speaker 6: I mean, and not just you know in the in

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Speaker 6: terms of who was and wasn't available for this game

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Speaker 6: or who was and wasn't one hundred percent, but just

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Speaker 6: in game right, I mean, cam Lewis goes out because

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Speaker 6: he's dealing with cramp, and cam Lewis is in the

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Speaker 6: lineup because Jordan Poyer's hurt. Jordan Poyer's in the lineup

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Speaker 6: because Taylor rap is hurt. Right, So you're down to

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Speaker 6: your what fourth strings safety at right?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, right?

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Speaker 6: So I mean these guys, so Cam Lewis is playing

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Speaker 6: a good game, he goes he goes out with cramping.

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Speaker 6: Darnell Savage, a waiver claim late in the regular season, comes.

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Speaker 5: Into the lineup.

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Speaker 6: What happens the very first play the Broncos throw right

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Speaker 6: at him for a touchdown. Late in the game, Tredaevius

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Speaker 6: White suffers a stinger. Tredevious White is starting because Maxwell

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Speaker 6: Harriston is hurt. Maxwell Harriston, you know, was drafted in

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Speaker 6: the first round to be the starter.

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Speaker 5: Never really happened.

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Speaker 6: So Trey White's in the game, he suffers a stinger,

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Speaker 6: he has to come out, He has to go through

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Speaker 6: the concussion exam. While that's happening, Dane Jackson has to

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Speaker 6: go in the game. On the very first play the

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Speaker 6: Broncos take to go ahead touchdown late in the fourth

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Speaker 6: quarter because they throw right at Dane Jackson. Now, give

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Speaker 6: Sean Payton credit, that's good coaching, But guys, it's one play.

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Speaker 6: It's one play that they're going after. So to say

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Speaker 6: that injuries didn't you know, impact this game. Now listen,

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Speaker 6: The Broncos had injuries too. They lost two wide receivers

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Speaker 6: in this and.

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Speaker 2: A quarterback evidently, but yeah.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, a quarterback late late in the game. Yet it

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Speaker 6: didn't affect you know, his performance or whatever. But so, yeah,

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Speaker 6: both sides were impacted by injuries. But to suggest that

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Speaker 6: they didn't play a part for the Bills is crazy.

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Speaker 6: That is going to be an offseason story. Why was

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Speaker 6: this team hurt as much as it is? Yeah, there's

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Speaker 6: some injuries are unavoidable. There's there's no question about that,

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Speaker 6: and that that's football, and there's there's definite luck that

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Speaker 6: is involved with with staying healthy.

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Speaker 5: I don't question that at all.

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Speaker 6: But the sheer number is something that this organization is

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Speaker 6: going to have to study and say.

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Speaker 5: What are we doing wrong here? Why are we Is

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Speaker 5: there anything you know?

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Speaker 6: Is there any common thread among all of these injuries

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Speaker 6: that make them more in our control that we can

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Speaker 6: do something differently to to be healthier because it was

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Speaker 6: a it was a huge impact for this team this season.

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Speaker 1: Check out the column today Jay s Kirsky. NFL's lack

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Speaker 1: of officiating transparency will eventually leave fans questioning why am

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Speaker 1: I even doing this? Which is amazing, great column, a

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Speaker 1: lot of coverage from the Buffalo News and you know

494
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Speaker 1: you're gonna get more angles from it, I'm sure over

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Speaker 1: the next couple of days. And so, Jay, we really

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Speaker 1: appreciate the emergency edition, but we definitely wanted to and

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Speaker 1: I know you talk about it at some point in

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Speaker 1: some of the columns at the Buffalo News and Buffalo

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Speaker 1: News dot com. When the phone rang, and you know,

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Speaker 1: you found out that the head coach wanted to talk

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Speaker 1: to you from the team plane. And that tells you

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Speaker 1: that something's wrong, not only not only for the team,

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Speaker 1: but also for the NFL and the NFL. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if they're going to be smart enough to review

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Speaker 1: this and think twice about being so flippant about a

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Speaker 1: team's major catch and postseason.

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Speaker 2: Kicked off, right, We got to get them over the fat.

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Speaker 1: But they really should. They really should. Jay, Thank you

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Speaker 1: so much. You take care of yourself.

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Speaker 5: Appreciate it, guys, thanks for having me man Jesus NFL.

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Speaker 2: You know you probably you probably missed Shaheed's a kickoff

512
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Speaker 2: return for a touchdown to open that game up.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we got other things stuck on the bills. We

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Speaker 1: look at the egem of commercials that we're showing you

515
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Speaker 1: right now, get over there, start watching it. Is the

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Speaker 1: he said, a good thing. Sometimes you've got to take

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Speaker 1: a leap of faith. And is it? Should we just

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Speaker 1: get rid of Brandon Bean? Did we get rid of

519
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Speaker 1: the wrong guy? You'll probably hear a bunch of that today.

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Speaker 2: A lot of people believe so.

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Speaker 1: Lance Lesowski the Buffalo News joints this this morning. I

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Speaker 1: wanted to talk to Lance because I don't know if

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Speaker 1: he had that chance yet to see his column, But

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Speaker 1: it's interesting. He's got some inside stuff as to what

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Speaker 1: maybe kind of contributed to the ongoing talk that maybe

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Speaker 1: Sean McDermott was on his last year coaching. I guess

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Speaker 1: some people are saying that this had been talked about

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Speaker 1: behind the scenes for quite some time. Lance joins this morning,

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Speaker 1: Good morning, Lance.

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Speaker 8: How are you doing well? Guys?

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Speaker 9: Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 10: So.

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Speaker 1: Were you surprised Sewn was fired after that game?

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Speaker 8: Uh? No, I wasn't.

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Speaker 9: You knew reading through the tea lead as you knew

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Speaker 9: that something big was going to happen. They couldn't. Josh

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Speaker 9: Allen's gonna be thirty the start next season, new stadium opening,

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Speaker 9: and you just look at the context within the losses.

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Speaker 9: To be honest with you, guys, I thought that I

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Speaker 9: thought that Sean mcdurham and brand to be where you're

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Speaker 9: gonna get fired. I thought that they would do more

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Speaker 9: of a house cleaning, so to speak, and going to

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Speaker 9: and just go in a different direction with the with

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Speaker 9: freshman voices in both jobs. Considering both of them, both

545
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Speaker 9: of them have made miss mistakes in their roles that

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Speaker 9: have contributed to this team losing and disappointing fashion in

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Speaker 9: the playoffs. But you know, I mean, you look at

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Speaker 9: the Jacksonville game, even though the Bill's won, it was

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Speaker 9: almost a disaster at the end with them not draining

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Speaker 9: any clock and just going for the touchdown and giving

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Speaker 9: the Jaguarars too much time to go and kick a

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Speaker 9: field goal. They get the interception and kind of bails

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Speaker 9: them out. But it just within each of the playoff games,

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Speaker 9: there were mistakes that you know, if if you're the

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Speaker 9: owner and you're trying to figure out what the heck's

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Speaker 9: going on or what to do next, it's not like

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Speaker 9: the coach was out with that without blame, And like

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Speaker 9: what was the last time the Bill's defense struck fear

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Speaker 9: in anybody, Like, if you're going into a game, how

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Speaker 9: much confidence did anybody possibly have that that team was

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Speaker 9: going to get a stopping key moments, you know? And

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Speaker 9: for me, yeah, like Brandon Beans missed on almost almost

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Speaker 9: every receiver acquisitions and trading Stefon Diggs. There have been

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Speaker 9: too many miss draft picks. I know we're going to

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Speaker 9: get into some more of that part of it in

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Speaker 9: this conversation. But at the same time, like the defense

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Speaker 9: was able to perform and this team was able to

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Speaker 9: win games in the regular season, but you keep losing

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Speaker 9: in the playoffs. So I think it's me it's trying

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Speaker 9: to decipher. You know, we could talk about talent, but

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Speaker 9: you won twelve twelve games regular season, all of a sudden,

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Speaker 9: you can't get a stop in key moments of games. Like,

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Speaker 9: it's at some point you have to go in a

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Speaker 9: different direction. You can't just keep doing the same thing

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Speaker 9: and hope and hoping for different results.

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Speaker 2: We can we fire the referees because I feel like

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Speaker 2: the referees defense well.

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Speaker 1: And then the other thing we were thinking about though,

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Speaker 1: is was Terry Pagola going to just make Lindy Rough

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Speaker 1: the head coach of both teams in a cost cutting

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Speaker 1: down and you know, try to try to save.

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Speaker 9: The referees didn't have three touchdown passes the boat Nick,

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Speaker 9: So we could sit here and blame officiating, But that

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Speaker 9: defense got completely toasted by a quarterback who has been

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Speaker 9: rattled time again. What was the last time the Bills

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Speaker 9: got a shack and a loss in the postseason twenty twenty?

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Speaker 9: Guys like at some point, like a defensive minded head coach,

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Speaker 9: you gotta get results. You gotta get results when you

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Speaker 9: have a quarterback like that.

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Speaker 1: So lance Letsowski's on and his column in the Buffalo

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Speaker 1: News this morning is lance Lasowski sean mcdermot's firing a

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Speaker 1: necessary step for the Bills to reach the next level.

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Speaker 1: But you go through a couple of things that maybe

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Speaker 1: Terry Pagola had to consider, and you said one was

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Speaker 1: McDermott's influence on personnel decisions, and I'll just read this

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Speaker 1: from you. According to a team source, McDermott was strict

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Speaker 1: with the characteristics and traits that were necessary positions on defense.

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Speaker 1: For his defense, he insisted the team used high draft

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Speaker 1: picks on prospects he coveted, including Boogie Basham, and McDermott

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Speaker 1: pushed back when the Bill scouts recommended talented players who

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Speaker 1: he viewed as unfit to play in his scheme, And

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Speaker 1: so did that cause problems with Brandon be.

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Speaker 9: It eventually?

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Speaker 3: Did?

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Speaker 10: I mean? At first?

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Speaker 9: I mean, think about circumstances in which Brandon Bean was hired.

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Speaker 9: Sean McDermott PROBM to Buffalo, and they were close. They

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Speaker 9: worked in lockstep, and ultimately Brandon Bean trusted Sean mcdermot's

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Speaker 9: vision for the players that he wanted in his defense. Now,

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Speaker 9: Bean is the general manager, he owns those decisions, but

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Speaker 9: at the same token, he understood how important that defense

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Speaker 9: was and he trusted Sean mcdermot's vision. And we're looking

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Speaker 9: and this is primarily with their high draft picks, because

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Speaker 9: in the middle of the late rounds, that's where you

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Speaker 9: trust your scouts, and the Bills have good scouts, and

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Speaker 9: that's another factor that I know went into this decision

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Speaker 9: to keep Brandon Bean. They looked at the picture of well, okay,

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Speaker 9: well you have a staff that you've built that's making

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Speaker 9: really good recommendations, and you found Josh Allen, so we're

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Speaker 9: you know, and Brandon Bean built a relationship with with

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Speaker 9: Terry Pool. They watched games together that's no secret.

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Speaker 1: Okay. So for example, you would say something like Kyer

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Speaker 1: Elam would come along and Sean mcdermom would go, that's

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Speaker 1: my guy. I want him, and those guys are like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: But Christian Watson wide receiver, he's standing by later on

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Speaker 1: in the draft. Jan del Robinson he's standing by later on.

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Speaker 10: Uh.

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Speaker 1: And and yet there's Sean McDermott going, yeah, it's got

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Speaker 1: to be Kayr Elam. And is that the type of

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Speaker 1: stuff that you know starts to get Sean McDermott in trouble.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, I mean it's what gets the defense in trouble.

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Speaker 9: And and but Brandon Bean need to own the fact that,

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Speaker 9: like you got to push back, like you're the general manager,

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Speaker 9: do you have to own these picks, like if your

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Speaker 9: coach wants a player, and that we started to see

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Speaker 9: that the last couple of years, based on my source,

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Speaker 9: One example is Joey Bosa. Sean McDermott had some had

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Speaker 9: some doubts about Bosa's fit, being like the fact that

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Speaker 9: they were able to get a guy at a good price,

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Speaker 9: didn't like the other options available. They took the gamble.

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Speaker 9: Sean mcturmant ended up being right, because Joey Bosa was

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Speaker 9: terrible in the playoffs. But that's just an example of it.

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Speaker 10: There was a shift thereon Miller.

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Speaker 3: At some point.

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Speaker 9: There was a shift. Hey, Von Miller was good until

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Speaker 9: he got hurt. There was a shift where those two

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Speaker 9: were no longer on the same page. And we saw,

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Speaker 9: I mean, Seohan McDermott took bailed slipes Brandon being this season,

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Speaker 9: whether it was bringing up Jacoby Myers twice in three

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Speaker 9: days during the Jacksonville Jaguars week. There have been a

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Speaker 9: few times where you know, it's gonna be very interesting

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Speaker 9: in this press conference though, because Brindon be neath the

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Speaker 9: answer for the Darius Slave fiasco. That is terrible to

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Speaker 9: claim a player who you didn't have confidence would even report,

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Speaker 9: and cutting somebody who has valuable death on your roster.

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Speaker 9: It ended up costing him Maxwell Harrison late into the playoffs. Again,

657
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Speaker 9: if it were me, if you're gonna give rid of anybody,

658
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Speaker 9: I would have liked the slate clean. But this is

659
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Speaker 9: what they did, and time's gonna tell if they made

660
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Speaker 9: the right call. It's a significant gamble.

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Speaker 1: You wrote in your column. McDermott expressed frustration last month

662
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Speaker 1: after the Bills waived a cornerback he knew for his

663
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Speaker 1: defense to Marcus Ingram and instead claim Darius Slay, who

664
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Speaker 1: then turned around screwed the organization and said, you know what,

665
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna retire.

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Speaker 2: That really screwed the organization.

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Speaker 1: Sure, because at this point, Ingram what he.

668
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Speaker 2: Ended up inc you needed him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so, and it's that type of stuff where McDermott

670
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Speaker 1: may have forced some terrible draft picks. But Bean also

671
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Speaker 1: and I guess, look, you know in a season, you're

672
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Speaker 1: gonna make mistakes on guys. Not everybody's gonna be And

673
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Speaker 1: you could probably even see what he was trying to

674
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Speaker 1: do with Slay, Like if Slay actually would have played,

675
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Speaker 1: he had experience, he might have been a smart one.

676
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Speaker 1: But maybe what your column shows is that Bean and

677
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Speaker 1: McDermott were not on the same page at some point, right.

678
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Speaker 9: They were not. They clearly were not. And at some

679
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 9: point it was Terry Boula was going to have to

680
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 9: pick the fire bolt or fire one. And you can

681
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 9: make a very strong argument he fired the wrong one, right,

682
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Speaker 9: especially when you consider and it's not just the Darius

683
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Speaker 9: Slay situation, You'll get every wide receiver acquisition really since

684
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Speaker 9: it's the Von Digg's trade, or how many misses they've

685
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Speaker 9: made in free agency, or how few in mid season

686
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 9: impactful acquisitions they've made, Like teams make trades of the deadline, right,

687
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Speaker 9: And I know that Brandon Bean this this past season

688
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 9: cited the salary cap for the reason that one of

689
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Speaker 9: the reasons why he wasn't able to do anything. But

690
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 9: you signed all these players to contract extensions, and you

691
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 9: painted yourself into a box. Now, I know there's challenges

692
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Speaker 9: when you pay your quarterbacks with money. Is josh Allen

693
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Speaker 9: is receiving, But you didn't have to necessarily extend Torell

694
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Speaker 9: Bernard when you did. You didn't have to do a

695
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 9: few of the you didn't have to make a few

696
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Speaker 9: of the decisions that you made. You know, Joshua Palmer

697
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 9: was complete zero. Curtis Samuel was a complete, complete zero

698
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Speaker 9: up to this point.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it is.

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Speaker 9: There are a lot of questions that Brandon Bean is

701
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Speaker 9: going to have to answer whenever is press conference hel

702
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Speaker 9: because it is. It's it's a bad look either way, right,

703
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Speaker 9: I mean, like I totally understand the pushback. Again, like

704
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Speaker 9: if you're getting rid of one, I mean I think

705
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Speaker 9: you should have just gotten rid of both get a

706
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Speaker 9: new vision and they had they have capable people that

707
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Speaker 9: could have promoted, they chose the going.

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Speaker 11: To different direction band be you know.

709
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Speaker 2: And there's also something hovering in the background a little

710
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Speaker 2: bit when you talk about these guys. There's a situation

711
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 2: we talked you brought up when we brought up Von Miller.

712
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 2: He was good until he got hurt.

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Speaker 8: You know.

714
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Speaker 2: The Bill's defense was was pretty good until it got hurt.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you talk about the defense having problems, but

716
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Speaker 2: look when we're bringing in Dame Jackson, when we're talking

717
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Speaker 2: about third and fourth string guys, because so many of

718
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 2: our players have gotten hurt, there's there's got to be

719
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Speaker 2: something there because that has also had a big effect

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Speaker 2: on the team's performance. There their injuries, you know, and

721
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Speaker 2: some of their.

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Speaker 9: Injuries during practice, right you know, and you're wondering, I

723
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Speaker 9: wonder what the practices are looking like every you know,

724
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Speaker 9: And they have poured a lot of a lot of

725
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Speaker 9: resources into that defense, whether it be free agency or

726
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Speaker 9: the draft. And at some point, and like a defensive

727
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Speaker 9: minded head coaches reached this point throughout the league. If

728
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Speaker 9: you're not getting resolves, it is tough and I measure

729
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Speaker 9: this Bill's defense against the other the four that are

730
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Speaker 9: remaining in these playoffs. It's just this season. I give

731
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Speaker 9: Sean mcthurmott so much credit for the curve balls that

732
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Speaker 9: he threw in to try to you know, pre snap disguises.

733
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Speaker 9: He did evolve in some of the subtleties of his defense.

734
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Speaker 9: But at the same token, guys like I can't yeah

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Speaker 9: for a short amount of time when von Miller was healthier,

736
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Speaker 9: when Micah hyde Or and Jordan Boyer were in their prime, like,

737
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Speaker 9: this defense just hasn't It is not produced in the

738
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Speaker 9: biggest moment. You look at how many points they given

739
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Speaker 9: up in the playoffs. I know josh An turned the

740
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:34,400
Speaker 9: ball over four times in Denver, but again, you can't

741
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Speaker 9: to run man coverage when your defense is already thin.

742
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Speaker 9: It's just it's situational stuff within games that allows you

743
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Speaker 9: to just get yeah, to get beat in key situation.

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Speaker 1: The two things will let you go there. Lanceley Suski,

745
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 1: by the way, Lance covers the Buffalo News or Buffalo

746
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,800
Speaker 1: bills for the Buffalo News. Freendergan at ninety seven rock first,

747
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Speaker 1: and this is this is probably an important one. Did

748
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Speaker 1: Josh Allen cry after the game because he got his

749
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Speaker 1: coach fired, or felt he got his coach fire. Second question,

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Speaker 1: I think.

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Speaker 9: Josh Allen cried because he knew that he he shot.

752
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 9: He was he had played a large part in that loss. Right,

753
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 9: so many the other playoff losses he played extremely well.

754
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 9: You know, they lost because of defense. I mean, yeah,

755
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,319
Speaker 9: the lot of the last drive didn't go, you know,

756
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 9: the way that he wanted. But he didn't turn the

757
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 9: ball over four times. He played poorly, and they knew

758
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Speaker 9: that they had a good team that if they would

759
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:26,799
Speaker 9: have beaten Denver, they had to. Really they liked their

760
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 9: chances to get to the super Bowl.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, they won that game.

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Speaker 1: That hurts, by the way, when you find out that,

763
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Speaker 1: you know, Josh Allen also, although think about what Drake

764
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 1: may did. Right, he had three or four fumbles and

765
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 1: an interception, they didn't have the referetion and he and

766
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 1: they still won. Right, maybe the refs final thing, though,

767
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:44,400
Speaker 1: who's on your short list? Give us three names of

768
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Speaker 1: guys you'd like to see as the head coach of

769
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Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills.

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Speaker 9: I'd bring in Chrishula from the Los Angeles Rams or

771
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 9: defensive coordinator. I talked to him, Brian Dables a natural

772
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 9: candidate here, and Clint Kobeak. It's it's just what do

773
00:35:57,760 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 9: you want to do? Do you want to go offense or defense?

774
00:35:59,560 --> 00:35:59,799
Speaker 8: Here?

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Speaker 9: For me, I hire an offensive coach who I know

776
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Speaker 9: can build a good staff, Like I know that Joe Brady,

777
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 9: that locker room loves him. I think he had a

778
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 9: much better season than you know. I don't agree with

779
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 9: the fans on that part, but I do have doubts

780
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Speaker 9: about his ability to really build a staff. Those other

781
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 9: guys like their networks that they can hire from, and

782
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 9: that really does matter, because you're not just hiring one person.

783
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 9: You're hiring somebody who's going to build an entire an

784
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Speaker 9: entire program, and those three names staying up.

785
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Speaker 1: You know, I'm trying to make a case for Brian Dayball.

786
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 1: It's an interesting one, right because if he was the

787
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:35,720
Speaker 1: Josh Allen whisper, he's the guy who keeps Josh Allen

788
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 1: contained anyway. But you've got to figure that Bean could

789
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:40,839
Speaker 1: pick up the phone call Shane down in New York

790
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 1: and go Joe. How much of this was Dayball being

791
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 1: an idiot and how much of this was circumstances beyond

792
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,360
Speaker 1: his control? And I guess if he gets a serious look,

793
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 1: it means those questions were answered right, of course.

794
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 9: And they know Brian Dabele better than anybody, but he

795
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 9: was here, he was around every They saw how he operated.

796
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 9: And for me, like, what did you learn from your

797
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:06,799
Speaker 9: last opportunity? How are you going to fix it? How

798
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:08,799
Speaker 9: are you going to do a better job protecting Josh Allen?

799
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 9: Because when Brian Dable was the play caller, he put

800
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 9: Josh Allen into some tough situations with all the RPOs

801
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 9: and running him. You're not gonna be able to do

802
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 9: that when Josh Allen's in his thirties. How are you

803
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 9: adapting who's going to call plays? There is a big

804
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 9: picture here that each candidate's going to have to paint

805
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 9: for Brandon Bean to convince them that they're.

806
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 3: The right guy.

807
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:28,399
Speaker 1: I know that there's one thing that they're saying about

808
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:31,839
Speaker 1: an offensive minded coach, which is if your coordinator goes,

809
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:33,880
Speaker 1: you're still the dude that's got to shape all of

810
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 1: this right. And so you might lose a defensive Cordinet's

811
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 1: one thing, but the offensive coordinator for Josh Allen is

812
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 1: the most important thing. And if you lose the guy,

813
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 1: you still have your head coach? Interesting? Lanceletsowski from the

814
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 1: Buffalo News. Check out his column, especially some of the

815
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Speaker 1: behind the scenes stuff he learned about Brandon Bean and

816
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 1: Sean McDermott, maybe tension and certainly how those drafts played out.

817
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:54,759
Speaker 1: Thank you, great job. Lance, Will talk to you soon, man.

818
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 8: Thanks guys, talk to you soon.

819
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 5: Nice.

820
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Speaker 1: We're going to talk to Jay Skrisky next about what

821
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:01,240
Speaker 1: he's hearing about coach Sean mc dermott, why he was fired,

822
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:04,319
Speaker 1: what happened, reactions and all that. But Jay, good morning,

823
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 1: how are you.

824
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:06,439
Speaker 5: Hey, guys, I'm doing well.

825
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:06,839
Speaker 7: Good morning.

826
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Speaker 1: I want to ask you first though, about your everyday

827
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Speaker 1: pant So, you know, we're talking before about you know

828
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 1: what what you know, pants, you wear, whatever the case

829
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:19,399
Speaker 1: may be. I was kind of surprised at how far

830
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 1: jeans have fallen in the rankings now and so just

831
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 1: in you know, in this building, I'm the only one left.

832
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 1: It seems everybody else has moved on to other fashion statements.

833
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:31,360
Speaker 1: So what do you wear on a regular business everyday stuff?

834
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, like if it's the regular practice week,

835
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:36,720
Speaker 6: it's it's mostly jeans.

836
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Speaker 5: But then if it's a you know, if it's a.

837
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Speaker 6: Game, day, it's uh, try to step up in class

838
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 6: a little bit, something a little nicer, you know, if

839
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Speaker 6: it's the middle of winter, maybe a nice pair of

840
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 6: wool pants, but uh yeah, most mostly jeans. And then

841
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Speaker 6: I'm like, I'm a big shorts guy. It shorts right

842
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 6: through October, you know, and then once uh, once October hits,

843
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 6: then it's jeans and nicer pants for game days.

844
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Speaker 2: Now, Jay, I want to ask you too, because I

845
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:01,760
Speaker 2: know you're a golfer like myself. I have some pants

846
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 2: that originally this company who was making golf wear but

847
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 2: now they make like everyday clothing, and they make these pants.

848
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Speaker 2: They are like super stretchy, they look nice, they don't wrinkle,

849
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Speaker 2: and I find myself wearing more and more of those

850
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 2: style and they have like at zipper pocket on the

851
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 2: side and throw your phone or your wallet.

852
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I definitely have quite a few pairs of those.

853
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 6: I most of the time kind of just keep those

854
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 6: to the to the course. But yeah, I think that

855
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 6: you know, if you know, if the jeans are kind

856
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 6: of in the wash or something like that, that might

857
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Speaker 6: be a good alternative.

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Speaker 2: Dress because you know, I had I'm like, oh, my

859
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 2: dress pants are all wrinkled. I'm like, what about these

860
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:38,760
Speaker 2: golf pants?

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Speaker 1: They never wrinkle?

862
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 2: And I sound like these things look great. They look

863
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 2: what's the difference between these and dress pants? Really? Nothing

864
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Speaker 2: except they stretch.

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Speaker 8: Yep.

866
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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I'm sorry, guys, I just cut out there

867
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Speaker 6: for one second, but I think I still got you.

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Speaker 1: Okay, No, you didn't miss much, trust me. There's nothing

869
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Speaker 1: deep here. But it started with you know how more

870
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:02,760
Speaker 1: and more people are wear in sweatpants, and that seemed

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Speaker 1: to be it like there's a huge percentage now of

872
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 1: people who just go I don't wear any pants. I

873
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 1: just go sweatpants all the time.

874
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, no, I'm with you there, I do not.

875
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 6: I will say I wore sweatpants to the facility on

876
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 6: one one that would have been Sunday. That was because

877
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:21,320
Speaker 6: I had flown back from Denver on the Red Eye

878
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:23,360
Speaker 6: and had a flight delay and didn't have time to

879
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 6: go home, and so that was probably the first time

880
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 6: I wore sweatpants to work, meaning going to the Bills

881
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:32,399
Speaker 6: practice facility. But I felt like I had a good

882
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 6: reason for that because I was going straight from the

883
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 6: airport to work.

884
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 1: Which is funny because you hang around football teams and

885
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:39,879
Speaker 1: they all wear sweatpants all the time. So let's get

886
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,360
Speaker 1: to the other reason that Jayce Kersey is on, and

887
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:44,800
Speaker 1: the reason jays Kersky's on this morning is because we

888
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 1: talked to him on Monday. It was all about that

889
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 1: catch and that stupid ref move and the interception and

890
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 1: everything else. We're screaming, yelling, and we're like goodbye, Jay,

891
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,399
Speaker 1: and You're like goodbye, and then maybe about forty five

892
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:59,319
Speaker 1: minutes later, our phone starts blowing up because you know,

893
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 1: Sean mcdermer got fired. So I'm sure it was a

894
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 1: shock to you. But I wonder since that time was it.

895
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 2: He don't forget Jay had that conversation with McDermott on

896
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:08,359
Speaker 2: the flight home.

897
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 1: Well he had to, but you know, you also like

898
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 1: toured the facilities with Sean and you spend significant amount

899
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 1: of time.

900
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 5: So were you shocked, Yeah, I mean certainly.

901
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 6: I feel like my reaction was just the same as

902
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:24,479
Speaker 6: everyone else. That there's an initial shock when you see

903
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 6: the news, and I think, certainly I'm surprised by the decision.

904
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 6: I can't say that I'm shocked necessarily, because after you

905
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:36,840
Speaker 6: kind of digest it, right and it you know, you

906
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 6: look at the reasoning for it, or the potential reasoning

907
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 6: for it. We don't even know the reason for it, right,

908
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:45,759
Speaker 6: We haven't heard and hopefully today we will from Terry

909
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 6: Pagoula as to why he made this decision.

910
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 7: But to.

911
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 6: Suggest that it was entirely unjustified, I think it is false.

912
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 6: I think there is a human element here which you

913
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 6: feel for. You feel for the man, right, you feel

914
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 6: for Sean McDermott. Everything that I and I had a

915
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 6: very close relationship with Sean, I still do.

916
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 11: And he cared.

917
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 6: Deeply about Buffalo, about the Bills, about the history of

918
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 6: the Bills. I promise you guys that he wanted nothing

919
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 6: more than to bring a championship to Buffalo, and not

920
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:22,279
Speaker 6: just for himself and what it would mean for his

921
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 6: career and for his players, but maybe especially for the fans. Right.

922
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 6: He was the driving force. It's what got him up

923
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:32,879
Speaker 6: every day and you know, sent him to work. And

924
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:38,880
Speaker 6: that part it hurts because it's not like, you know,

925
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:40,839
Speaker 6: it wasn't like this run of coaches that we had

926
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 6: for years and years and years where they're here a

927
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 6: couple of years or three years at most and they

928
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 6: don't win, and you know they leave and you never

929
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 6: hear from him again. I mean, Sean McDermott will be

930
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 6: back one day in some form in Buffalo being honored

931
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 6: for what he did here, and it will be justified,

932
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 6: you know, with all of that said, and all of

933
00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 6: that being true. Ultimately though he did not you know,

934
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,879
Speaker 6: achieve his ultimate goal and that that was a super Bowl.

935
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 6: And you know, in this league, you don't get you know,

936
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 6: that many bites at the apple. Quite honestly, it just

937
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:13,240
Speaker 6: doesn't happen to go this far into a coaching career

938
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 6: without winning a Super Bowl. And so from that perspective,

939
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 6: you can't say that you're shocked about the decision, but

940
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 6: certainly when you first hear the news, right and then

941
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 6: you know, you immediately start going into you know, work

942
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 6: mode and you know, trying to get it confirmed and

943
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 6: all of that kind of stuff. You know, there was

944
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 6: there was an initial shock for sure when I when

945
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 6: I heard the news.

946
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:34,360
Speaker 2: You know, and I do believe that Sean McDermott is

947
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 2: a really good coach. I think you did a lot

948
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 2: of great things here. He built a great culture here

949
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 2: and the only thing that I think you worry about

950
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 2: a little bit is who's the next guy, Who's the

951
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 2: next coach that's going to come in here, and can

952
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 2: they take what Sean McDermott has built and take that

953
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:51,359
Speaker 2: to the next level or does it bring a lot

954
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 2: of change which potentially could go backwards a little bit.

955
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:57,919
Speaker 6: That's the risk, right, I mean, you got to get

956
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 6: this this higher, right, You got to hit a home

957
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 6: run here. If you're Brandon Bean, who is now tasked

958
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:06,800
Speaker 6: with leading this search, and you know, along with Terry Pagoula,

959
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 6: of course, who has final say is the owner of

960
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 6: the franchise, you can't make a mistake here. You have

961
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 6: all of the pressure in the world on this hire,

962
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:16,760
Speaker 6: and on top of that, the person who is hired

963
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 6: has all of the pressure in the world. The expectation

964
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:22,439
Speaker 6: from day one when this new head coach walks into

965
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 6: the building will be to win a Super Bowl, and

966
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 6: to win it in twenty twenty six. And if you

967
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:29,840
Speaker 6: don't win a super Bowl in twenty twenty six, people

968
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 6: are going to look at that and say, well, why'd

969
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 6: you fire Sean McDermott because that and guys, I did I.

970
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:37,240
Speaker 5: Researched it yesterday.

971
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 8: I looked it up.

972
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 6: There have been seven coaches in history who have made

973
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 6: the Super Bowl in their first season, four of them

974
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:46,400
Speaker 6: have won, three of lost. So that's what we're dealing with.

975
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 6: Here's that's the history of a new coach taking over

976
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 6: a team, and that's what we'll be expected of whoever

977
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 6: is hired.

978
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 1: So right, and that's but you know, look, at the

979
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 1: same time, you also have Josh Allen as your quarterback.

980
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 1: And if there was ever a chance that somebody was

981
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 1: gonna go, all right, the good news is you got

982
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 1: Josh Allen. You're like, yay, bad news is you got

983
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:06,279
Speaker 1: you got to win the super Bowl. It's like, well,

984
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 1: at least I got a fighting chance. But before we

985
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 1: get even to who we might be able to bring in,

986
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 1: and that almost tells me that it's got to be

987
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 1: somebody with coaching experience, because they then don't, right, we

988
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 1: don't have all that coordinator, right, we don't have time

989
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 1: to ramp some idiot up to try and figure out

990
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 1: how to run the job. They better from day one.

991
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 1: But anyway, what do you think led to that decision?

992
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 1: In other words, there seem to be some things coming out.

993
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 1: Different people have their source inside of one Bill's drive,

994
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:37,400
Speaker 1: but it seemed to come down to Sean McDermott's defense

995
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 1: just wasn't good enough. And when I started reading a

996
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 1: little bit about that and that was being suggested, I

997
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 1: was thinking back to the first half of the Denver

998
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:49,439
Speaker 1: Broncos game, and as we're watching it, I'm going, why

999
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 1: the hell does Denver still I know, I was going

1000
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 1: in and out, Why does Denver still have the ball?

1001
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 1: Why haven't we gotten them off the field?

1002
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:55,439
Speaker 8: Yet?

1003
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:58,360
Speaker 1: It seemed like Denver had the ball from most of

1004
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:03,439
Speaker 1: the second half. I'm like, God, somebody stop them. Third down,

1005
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:05,799
Speaker 1: it was like third and you know, whatever the hell

1006
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:08,359
Speaker 1: and they couldn't get a stop. And I wonder if

1007
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 1: you know within the organization they went, you know, it's

1008
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 1: unfair for Josh Allen to get into shootouts every time

1009
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:17,360
Speaker 1: because this defense can keep someone under thirty points.

1010
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 2: And he thought it's hurt too.

1011
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:22,320
Speaker 6: I mean, there's a lot of there's a lot of

1012
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:26,880
Speaker 6: rational thinking in that, there is a lot of numbers

1013
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 6: that support the case that in the most critical moments,

1014
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:34,320
Speaker 6: Sean McDermott's defenses didn't get it done. I mean, they've

1015
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:37,719
Speaker 6: lost now six years in a row in the divisional

1016
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 6: round or the AFC Championship, meaning they have not gotten

1017
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 6: to the Super Bowl in those six losses, the defense

1018
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:45,839
Speaker 6: has allowed an average of thirty three points a game

1019
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 6: and has given up and has given up at least

1020
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 6: twenty seven.

1021
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:50,840
Speaker 5: Points in all of those games.

1022
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:53,359
Speaker 6: So that's not good enough.

1023
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 1: And injuries for those type of numbers, No.

1024
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 5: You can't.

1025
00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 6: I mean, listen, injuries played a part this season. There's

1026
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 6: no quiquestion about it. The irony here is that Sean

1027
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 6: McDermott as a whole in twenty twenty five maybe did

1028
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 6: one of his better coaching jobs because of so many

1029
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 6: injuries and piecing together things on the back end. But

1030
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 6: you can't ignore the fact that in the biggest moments

1031
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:21,399
Speaker 6: the defense did not come through. And you know, it's

1032
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 6: twenty seven to twenty three, there's four minutes left in

1033
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:27,360
Speaker 6: the game against Denver. The defense needs to make a stop.

1034
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:30,360
Speaker 6: It can't make the stop and that has been true

1035
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 6: too often in the playoffs under Sean McDermott. And he

1036
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 6: has to own that the stain of thirteen seconds, guys,

1037
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 6: he has to own he knows that right that primarily

1038
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 6: is a coaching failure. And that game, I think really

1039
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 6: did some significant psychological damage to the organization, which I

1040
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 6: fully understand. As I said at the beginning here, though

1041
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:57,360
Speaker 6: there is an irony here that this was holistically the

1042
00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 6: twenty twenty five season might have been Sean mcdermot's been

1043
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:03,839
Speaker 6: coaching job, and so that also factors into I think

1044
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:06,400
Speaker 6: a lot of the reaction here that we've seen that

1045
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 6: we haven't that we haven't touched on, and quite frankly,

1046
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:12,399
Speaker 6: it's we need to have. The conversation is how does

1047
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:15,839
Speaker 6: Brandon Bean not only survive this but get promoted? That

1048
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:20,279
Speaker 6: is a really interesting question that I am very very

1049
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:23,399
Speaker 6: eager to ask at ten o'clock today when when we

1050
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 6: speak with Terry Pagoula and we speak with with Brandon Bean, is.

1051
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 5: How does this all fall on the coach? On the

1052
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:31,760
Speaker 5: head coach, because.

1053
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 6: You know, he was the guy that was, you know,

1054
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 6: doing what he could with the players that he had.

1055
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:38,719
Speaker 6: But I don't know that anyone would would maintain that

1056
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 6: this was a championship roster.

1057
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 1: They seemed that there's a narrative coming out of the

1058
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:44,440
Speaker 1: You know, maybe it could be someone inside the organization

1059
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 1: just trying to justify what happened, but they're also talking

1060
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:50,400
Speaker 1: about the draft, right and how McDermott wanted a specific player.

1061
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 1: You know, I've got to have kyer Elam, and the

1062
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 1: scouts would come back and go, I don't know about that,

1063
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 1: and he's like, well, this guy is good for my defense,

1064
00:48:57,440 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 1: and then we get stuck with an idiot, and I

1065
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:02,319
Speaker 1: wonder if I don't know within the oil they heard

1066
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:02,840
Speaker 1: that I don't know.

1067
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:05,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, listen, I would just add to that that,

1068
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 6: I mean, what head coach and what coaching staff isn't

1069
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:13,799
Speaker 6: going to have a say at least some say on

1070
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 6: the players that they want. That's logical, like that's healthy.

1071
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 6: I mean, it wouldn't make any sense if the general

1072
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 6: managers just drafted him, guys saying well, this.

1073
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:23,359
Speaker 5: Is the most talented guy.

1074
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 6: You guys figure it out, Like there needs to be

1075
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 6: some collaboration between the coaching staff and the general manager.

1076
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 6: And to me, it's revisionist history to say, oh, well,

1077
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 6: you know, kyer Elom didn't work out, but that's the

1078
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 6: guy that Sean wanted for his defense. Well, I mean,

1079
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 6: come on, if Sean McDermott has to own thirteen seconds,

1080
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 6: which he does, and if he has to own the

1081
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:47,840
Speaker 6: defensive failures in the playoffs, which he does, because we

1082
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 6: just pointed out thirty three points a game the last

1083
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 6: six years, isn't good enough. Well, Brandon Bean's got to

1084
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 6: own the picks that he makes, and Brandon Bean has

1085
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:57,400
Speaker 6: to own the free agent signings that he makes that

1086
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 6: have backfired tremendously. Josh Palmer, most recently on offense, along

1087
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 6: with Curtis Samuel, like, I don't understand how Bean can escape.

1088
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 6: If you're the general manager and you have the oversight

1089
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:14,760
Speaker 6: of acquiring players and building the fifty three man roster,

1090
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:18,360
Speaker 6: you have to take ownership of that. You can't tell me, oh, well,

1091
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:20,319
Speaker 6: I only signed him because the coach wanted them.

1092
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 5: No, it doesn't work that way.

1093
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:23,719
Speaker 6: You can't put all of the blame on the guy

1094
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 6: who isn't here anymore. The guy who brought those players

1095
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 6: in has to take a lot of that blame too.

1096
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Speaker 1: Two part question, all right, because I like this. So

1097
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:34,920
Speaker 1: the first thing is Brandon Bean. If they got rid

1098
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 1: of him and Sean McDermott, is that too much for

1099
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:40,760
Speaker 1: an organization to survive? Second thing, did you hear anything

1100
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:43,840
Speaker 1: about tension between those two? Naturally there would be, but

1101
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 1: almost like breaking point tension that those two just weren't

1102
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 1: functioning correctly anymore as head coach and general manager.

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00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:55,320
Speaker 6: There was no smoking gun in my mind in that regard.

1104
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:57,880
Speaker 6: I mean, there was tension. Everybody could see it. You

1105
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:00,400
Speaker 6: could see it in the way that sewn mc dermott

1106
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 6: answered questions about the Darius Leigh situation, for example, or

1107
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 6: the even the injuries. You know, when he would phrase

1108
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:12,239
Speaker 6: it as my from what I'm being told, right, you

1109
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 6: would you would always often hear that, well, it's like

1110
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:17,279
Speaker 6: you're the head coach, shouldn't you know? But you know,

1111
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 6: the the Jacoby Meyers trade that Jacksonville made and mc

1112
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 6: mcdermomy kind of going out of his way to praise that,

1113
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:27,400
Speaker 6: all of those felt like kind of thinly veiled shots

1114
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:29,319
Speaker 6: at Brandon Bean. So yeah, I think there was some

1115
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 6: tension there, And I'm sorry what what was the first?

1116
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:34,360
Speaker 1: Other one was if so, if you decided then to

1117
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 1: get rid of both the general manager and head coach,

1118
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:39,840
Speaker 1: house have you have you made it that much harder

1119
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 1: to hit the ground running from day one and win

1120
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:44,279
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl? Or was this was this sort of

1121
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:48,839
Speaker 1: a calculated move where you know, Pagola had to do

1122
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:50,839
Speaker 1: that because if you got rid of both, it would

1123
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Speaker 1: take a couple of years for a rebuilt.

1124
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 2: So that's what I was and the entire staff of scouts.

1125
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Speaker 1: Sure everything else would go. Yes, what do you think

1126
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 1: of that?

1127
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:59,879
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's my big concern with with getting rid of both.

1128
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 6: I think one would be terrified that Terry Pagula would

1129
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 6: get it right. His track record would suggest that he

1130
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:08,439
Speaker 6: won't get it right, and as a matter of fact,

1131
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 6: he'll get it terribly wrong. If you look at the

1132
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 6: way that he's run his other franchise in Town and

1133
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 6: his first his first head coaching hire was Rex Ryan,

1134
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:19,239
Speaker 6: but he had quit on him and Doug Morown. You know,

1135
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 6: he had a he had a head coach quit on

1136
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:22,880
Speaker 6: him and Doug Moron and then he hired and then

1137
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 6: he hired Rex Ryan. So his track record would suggest

1138
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:29,880
Speaker 6: that if you're asking Terry Pagoula to hire with with

1139
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 6: no support system whatsoever, uh to hire a new head

1140
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:36,479
Speaker 6: coach and a new general manager, I would bet big

1141
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:38,920
Speaker 6: money that he would blow those decisions.

1142
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:41,239
Speaker 1: So what do you want to hear about today? Is

1143
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:43,400
Speaker 1: Brandon Bean own up to the mistakes he made at

1144
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 1: the very least right?

1145
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 6: I mean, Brandon Bean absolutely needs to step up there

1146
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 6: and take ownership, and there needs to be some justification

1147
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 6: for him still being here because you know, the last

1148
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:56,880
Speaker 6: time that we heard from Brandon being in a public setting,

1149
00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:00,320
Speaker 6: he was up on the podium basically filibustering after the

1150
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 6: trade deadline about how he couldn't make a deal and

1151
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:05,360
Speaker 6: every other franchise that made deals. Jacksonville was able to

1152
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 6: make a deal, Seattle was able to make a deal

1153
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:10,719
Speaker 6: for a wide receiver. So I'm really not interested in

1154
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 6: hearing a lot of excuses. It needs to be ownership

1155
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:16,920
Speaker 6: of the situation. It needs to be justification for why

1156
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:20,279
Speaker 6: he believed he had a championship roster, and from that

1157
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:22,400
Speaker 6: point forward, then it needs to be here's a clearly

1158
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 6: laid out plan for how not only are we going

1159
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:27,279
Speaker 6: to get the right head coach, but we are going

1160
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:30,280
Speaker 6: to support Josh Allen with the weapons that he needs

1161
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 6: at wide receiver. Because I don't buy for a second

1162
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 6: that this team had a championship roster.

1163
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:38,880
Speaker 5: It just doesn't. No one that does not pass.

1164
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:41,120
Speaker 6: The eyeball test for anyone, and that falls to Brandon Bean.

1165
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 2: I got two things I want to rewind on. First

1166
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 2: sec Okay, so let's go back to attention amongst the groups.

1167
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:50,120
Speaker 2: Now there's new people that have gotten involved in ownership

1168
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:53,120
Speaker 2: of this team, right. I mean, you think about Vince Carter,

1169
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:55,799
Speaker 2: Tracy McGrady. They brought in a few guys, brought in

1170
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:58,399
Speaker 2: a billion dollars. Could those guys have been a part

1171
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 2: of this conversation as well? I mean, these are guys,

1172
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:04,279
Speaker 2: in the case of Vince Carter and Tracy McGrady, professional

1173
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:07,279
Speaker 2: athletes have been through and seen coaching changes and seeing things.

1174
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:09,920
Speaker 2: Could these guys have been part of the the chiming

1175
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 2: in of maybe pushing Pagola to we need to make

1176
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:15,480
Speaker 2: this change. That's for that's question one. I'll answer that

1177
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:16,759
Speaker 2: now hit number two.

1178
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:17,239
Speaker 8: Yeah.

1179
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:19,360
Speaker 6: I mean, you know, that'll be a good question for

1180
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 6: Terry Pegoula if he actually takes questions today, which would

1181
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:24,280
Speaker 6: be the first time in years that that has happened.

1182
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 6: You know, it's hard for me to say who is

1183
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:30,759
Speaker 6: on the on the inner circle and has Terry Pegoula's ear.

1184
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 6: Evidence would suggest right now that Brandon Bean is the

1185
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:36,719
Speaker 6: guy that has Terry Pegoula's ear, right, because he's the

1186
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 6: guy that sits with him in the in the owner

1187
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 6: suite during games and watches it. And you know, I

1188
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:45,680
Speaker 6: think to the earlier question about tension between Bean and McDermott,

1189
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:48,239
Speaker 6: you know, I think if that were the case and

1190
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:50,319
Speaker 6: it was a ham or I situation, we know who

1191
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 6: won that. You know, we know who won that battle,

1192
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:56,279
Speaker 6: right because of who's still here And I don't know necessarily,

1193
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:59,080
Speaker 6: I mean, Pegoula is still the you know, the controlling owner.

1194
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 6: There were quite a few of those limited partners that

1195
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 6: brought in that would be a lot of voices. You know,

1196
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:07,279
Speaker 6: in my mind, is it possible that you know, some

1197
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:10,600
Speaker 6: of those you know, minority owners had something to say

1198
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:14,080
Speaker 6: to Terry Pegoula that resonated with him. Yeah, yeah, of

1199
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:17,280
Speaker 6: course that's possible. But I don't know that they're around

1200
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:20,400
Speaker 6: the team often enough to have a really fully informed

1201
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:23,840
Speaker 6: opinion on a situation like that. Again, that's something that

1202
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 6: we could ask Terry Pool Terry Pagoula about today.

1203
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:26,359
Speaker 5: Though.

1204
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:27,560
Speaker 2: All right now, I want to go back to when

1205
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:29,640
Speaker 2: you were talking about the blame for all this is

1206
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:33,279
Speaker 2: Sean McDermott's defense. If that's the case, when you're looking

1207
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:35,359
Speaker 2: at a new head coach, if the defense has been

1208
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:38,160
Speaker 2: the problem, does it make sense to go after a

1209
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:40,919
Speaker 2: defensive guy to try and fix that whole defensive problem

1210
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:43,560
Speaker 2: to be your head coach? Or like many are suggesting

1211
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:45,479
Speaker 2: many believe it's going to be a guy like Brian

1212
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:48,080
Speaker 2: Dable or an offensive money like Clint Kubiak's a name

1213
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:49,560
Speaker 2: that comes up a lot. But do you do you

1214
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:52,080
Speaker 2: think if the problems of defense is that where you go?

1215
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:55,120
Speaker 6: Well, I hate to give a non answer here, but

1216
00:55:55,160 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 6: I think you can make a case either way. If

1217
00:55:57,000 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 6: you hire a young, offensive minded head coach, it becomes

1218
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:03,279
Speaker 6: very clear that his defensive coordinator, if he's going to

1219
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:06,160
Speaker 6: have sort of sort of total oversight on that side

1220
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:08,520
Speaker 6: of the ball, is a very important hire if you

1221
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:11,200
Speaker 6: hire and the flip side is true, if you hire

1222
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:15,000
Speaker 6: a defensive minded coach, then whoever it is that he hires,

1223
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:18,880
Speaker 6: excuse me as offensive coordinator and then has total oversight

1224
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 6: on that side of the ball, is going to be

1225
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:23,879
Speaker 6: a very important hire. So I think whenever you hire

1226
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:26,480
Speaker 6: a coach, right, he's going to have expertise on one

1227
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:28,800
Speaker 6: side of the ball, which then makes the other side,

1228
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:32,319
Speaker 6: you know that that coordinator being a very important hire.

1229
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:34,799
Speaker 6: I could I think you could make the case either way.

1230
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:38,920
Speaker 6: I think conventional wisdom would suggest. And one thing I'll

1231
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 6: say about this is that if you hire a defensive

1232
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:46,359
Speaker 6: guy and Josh Allen has an offensive coordinator, and Josh

1233
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:49,399
Speaker 6: Allen goes out and succeeds with that offensive coordinator, and

1234
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:52,200
Speaker 6: you know, the offense puts up thirty points a game

1235
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 6: and they have a great run of success. You run

1236
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:58,160
Speaker 6: the risk of losing that offensive coordinator to a head

1237
00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:01,120
Speaker 6: coaching job. In fact, it becomes probably a likelihood that

1238
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:04,200
Speaker 6: you will. That's a concern, right, And that's probably the

1239
00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:07,920
Speaker 6: best justification for hiring an offensive minded head coach because

1240
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:10,200
Speaker 6: then you're not losing him, right, You're not. You don't

1241
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:12,319
Speaker 6: have to start over every couple of years with a

1242
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 6: new offensive coordinator. So that would be I think one

1243
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:19,360
Speaker 6: a main reason. Yeah, exactly, But that would, I think

1244
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:22,280
Speaker 6: would be a really solid case for hiring an offensive

1245
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 6: minded head coach.

1246
00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:24,840
Speaker 1: If that's the case, Do you have a short list

1247
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:27,280
Speaker 1: of was it day Ball? Is he one of those guys?

1248
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:30,800
Speaker 1: Do you? So you'd almost need an offensive minded coach

1249
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:33,720
Speaker 1: who's got some head coaching experience in this case, you

1250
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:35,920
Speaker 1: wouldn't get that with Joe Brady. But do you have

1251
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:38,800
Speaker 1: a list of maybe two or three offensive minded coaches

1252
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:40,200
Speaker 1: that might be considered.

1253
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 6: Well, I mean I have a list certainly of offensive

1254
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:47,560
Speaker 6: minded coaches, those with you know, previous head coaching experience.

1255
00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:48,760
Speaker 5: There are not many out there.

1256
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:50,960
Speaker 6: Day Ball would certainly be, you know, at the top

1257
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:53,680
Speaker 6: of that list, just based on his experience with Allen

1258
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:55,960
Speaker 6: and obviously being a head coach in New York even

1259
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 6: though it did not end well with the Giants. So yes,

1260
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 6: he would be on that list. I think some other

1261
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:03,640
Speaker 6: names that we have to consider here, Clint Kubiak, the

1262
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:07,640
Speaker 6: Seahawks offensive coordinator. I think we really need to pay

1263
00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 6: attention here and see how long the Bills dragged this

1264
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:13,200
Speaker 6: process out because Kubeck is still playing, his team is

1265
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:16,280
Speaker 6: still playing, so he is not able to interview right now,

1266
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:18,560
Speaker 6: and if they win, he is not able to even

1267
00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:20,880
Speaker 6: interview until after the Super Bowl, so we're talking a

1268
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:24,360
Speaker 6: couple of weeks at this point. However, I do believe

1269
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:26,760
Speaker 6: that he is going to be a strong candidate for

1270
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:31,440
Speaker 6: this job. Davis Webb the former Bills backup quarterback who

1271
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:33,800
Speaker 6: has gotten into coaching and has really made a quick

1272
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:36,480
Speaker 6: rise up the coaching ranks. He's in Denver right now

1273
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:39,960
Speaker 6: as the quarterbacks coach and passing game coordinator. He obviously

1274
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:42,480
Speaker 6: has a very close relationship with Allen from when they

1275
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:46,400
Speaker 6: were teammates, and I know I saw Mitch Morris yesterday

1276
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:50,200
Speaker 6: who was here when Davis Webb was here and talked

1277
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:52,320
Speaker 6: very highly about he's going to make a great head

1278
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:54,600
Speaker 6: coach one day. I think he's on the list as well.

1279
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:57,400
Speaker 6: So those are three names right there, Kubiak, day Ball,

1280
00:58:57,760 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 6: and Davis Webb that I think we should pay attention to.

1281
00:58:59,880 --> 00:59:02,840
Speaker 6: And then we also have to we can't rule out

1282
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:05,720
Speaker 6: Joe Brady in this situation here either, obviously because of

1283
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:08,720
Speaker 6: the familiarity with Allen. So I think those those are

1284
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:11,720
Speaker 6: four offensive minded I would say candidates at this point.

1285
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:13,560
Speaker 2: You know, one formula we have seen work. And while

1286
00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 2: you're talking about hiring an offensive head coach, many times

1287
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:19,800
Speaker 2: they're calling the offensive plays even we've seen. And then

1288
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:21,320
Speaker 2: what they do, even if it's a young guy, even

1289
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:23,440
Speaker 2: if if it's a guy like say Clint Kubiak coming up,

1290
00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:26,440
Speaker 2: you know what we've seen successful is then they go

1291
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:28,120
Speaker 2: out and they get a guy that used to be

1292
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:29,880
Speaker 2: a head coach or one of the top old It

1293
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:32,440
Speaker 2: seems like they get the old, krusty defensive coordinators that

1294
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:34,840
Speaker 2: you know, like I look at Philadelphie, like Vic Fan

1295
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:36,520
Speaker 2: you I mean, look at Denver, you know, I mean,

1296
00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:38,800
Speaker 2: Peyton's been around a long time, but he's he's got

1297
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Speaker 2: a good defensive coordinator as well. I mean Flores in Minnesota,

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Speaker 2: I mean sometimes he was a he's a former head coach,

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Speaker 2: but some of the guys like that with that defensive

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00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:50,600
Speaker 2: head and coaching experience seems to be a winning formula

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Speaker 2: in a lot of cases. Yeah, Minnesota, but.

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Speaker 6: You know, no, yeah, absolutely, and you're gonna need that, right,

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00:59:56,120 --> 00:59:58,320
Speaker 6: You're gonna need if it is If it is Davis

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00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:01,080
Speaker 6: Webb at thirty years old, he's going to need a

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Speaker 6: very experienced defensive coordinator on the other side, ideally one

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Speaker 6: who had head coaching experience before, because there are going

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Speaker 6: to be times in situations that arise where Davis Webb

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Speaker 6: is going to need to lean on somebody who's been

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Speaker 6: in the job before. And so yeah, if it is

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Speaker 6: one of these younger guys as a head coach, and

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Speaker 6: there are others a younger offensive minded guys, then I

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Speaker 6: think finding an experienced defensive coordinator, ideally with previous head

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Speaker 6: coaching experience, would be a very important hire for them.

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Speaker 1: Some guy like who's over sixty with high blood pressure

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Speaker 1: and a hip replacement courts, right, just what the hell

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01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:39,200
Speaker 1: you know? And even the even the young coordinator head

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Speaker 1: coach has got to be like Dawn, turn it down,

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Speaker 1: just back it off, dude, that's funny. Yeah, all right, Jay, Look,

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Speaker 1: we're looking forward to this press conference today, what you're

1320
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Speaker 1: going to ask, what you're going to write about afterwards,

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Speaker 1: and we'll kind of go from there. But we appreciate

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Speaker 1: the time, the insight, really good stuff this morning, and

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Speaker 1: we're looking forward to finding out maybe what the bill

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Speaker 1: do next. Man, it's going to mean so much for

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Speaker 1: all of us. So you take care and we'll talk

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Speaker 1: to you soon.

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Speaker 6: Take care, you got you got to guys.

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Speaker 1: Jake Skersky Jay s Kirsky writes for the Buffalo News.

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Speaker 1: The stuff that he cranks out the whole staff over

1330
01:01:12,680 --> 01:01:16,200
Speaker 1: at the Buffalo News tremendous stuff. Check out their columns

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Speaker 1: and what they're trying to get into over the Bufflo

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Speaker 1: Newsbuffalo News dot com. We had Lance ley Stowski a

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Speaker 1: little bit earlier too. He was talking about it, and

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Speaker 1: then we also talked to the guy who's gonna I

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Speaker 1: don't know if it's been published yet, but it's his

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Speaker 1: breakdown on Josh Allen's game. Jim Kubiak and really good

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Speaker 1: stuff too. I mean, if you're a fan of X

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01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:34,919
Speaker 1: and o's and you love to really get in deep

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01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:37,440
Speaker 1: into you know how plays worked out and why they didn't,

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Speaker 1: that's Kubiak. He's going to post that as well at

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Speaker 1: the Buffalo News. Jim Kubiak, How are you, Jim, I'm

1342
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Speaker 1: doing great.

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Speaker 3: Guys.

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Speaker 10: How about yourself?

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Speaker 1: What's your reaction to the first the Sean McDermott firing.

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Speaker 12: A little bit surprised these playoff losses. I think it'd

1347
01:01:52,600 --> 01:01:55,720
Speaker 12: be difficult to lay it all on him. Certainly, some

1348
01:01:55,760 --> 01:01:59,240
Speaker 12: missed opportunities here and there, and uh, you know, if

1349
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Speaker 12: the one call at the in overtime is you know,

1350
01:02:04,600 --> 01:02:06,960
Speaker 12: rule to catch, maybe the Bills win.

1351
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:08,720
Speaker 3: You know, it's it's that close.

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Speaker 12: So I think he's done a great job with the

1353
01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:13,760
Speaker 12: locker room. And I know the run defense was a

1354
01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:17,600
Speaker 12: little poorous this year, but he certainly handled Josh Allen

1355
01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:19,640
Speaker 12: very well. I think over his tenure, you know.

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Speaker 1: At the same time, I think about this and about

1357
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Speaker 1: Sean McDermott maybe not being aggressive and then being maybe

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Speaker 1: too aggressive, and you play.

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Speaker 2: This, Yeah, Bill's goes out hearing aggressive here?

1360
01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:33,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, better ahead to the sideline and wants another play.

1361
01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:35,880
Speaker 2: Oh, what's the fust balls?

1362
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Speaker 1: Why do you never do that?

1363
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Speaker 2: It's not as many time the Brontos.

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Speaker 1: Obviously Sean McDermott did not make Josh Allen do that.

1365
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Speaker 1: But Josh Allen played. And I'm going to ask you

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Speaker 1: about this because you've spent all of this time with

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen watching him over the years, he played a

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Speaker 1: little more. I guess in his means when Brian Dayball

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Speaker 1: was yelling at him on the sidelines, and I wonder,

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Speaker 1: I wonder, you know, my early speculation is that they're

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Speaker 1: bringing day Ball back. Of course, who knows, But do

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Speaker 1: you think that that's the type of person, you know,

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Speaker 1: if he was the Josh Allen whisper that might be

1374
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Speaker 1: able to get the best final three four years out

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Speaker 1: of Josh Allen.

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Speaker 10: You know, that's a great question. You know.

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Speaker 12: Obviously Dable was the first NFL coach that Alan had,

1378
01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:27,280
Speaker 12: and you know Dable comes with a breath of experience,

1379
01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:30,760
Speaker 12: right He's around Tom Brady all those years. Coach Brett

1380
01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:36,480
Speaker 12: Favre certainly a guy that understands how to win in

1381
01:03:36,600 --> 01:03:40,240
Speaker 12: big situations, a national championship and and so on. So

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01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:43,200
Speaker 12: you know he does bring a little bit of fire

1383
01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:46,480
Speaker 12: with him. I mean there's times where you know he

1384
01:03:46,600 --> 01:03:49,840
Speaker 12: loses his cool and and from a quarterback standpoint, sometimes

1385
01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:52,880
Speaker 12: you need that, you know, sometimes you need someone to

1386
01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:55,040
Speaker 12: give you a kick in the in the pants and say, hey,

1387
01:03:55,040 --> 01:03:56,520
Speaker 12: look at you got to protect the ball better. You

1388
01:03:56,720 --> 01:04:00,560
Speaker 12: got to make sure you're doing these things. Perhaps, you know,

1389
01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:03,680
Speaker 12: that is something that Allen needs at this point. And

1390
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Speaker 12: I mean it would be a respectful relationship, but you know,

1391
01:04:07,840 --> 01:04:10,640
Speaker 12: I think you do have to tow the line. And

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01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:15,680
Speaker 12: getting back to the decision to be overly aggressive with

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Speaker 12: sixteen seconds.

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Speaker 3: Left before the half.

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Speaker 12: I mean, obviously mcdermoy didn't, you know, cause to fumble,

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Speaker 12: and Alan is responsible for protecting it in that situation.

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Speaker 12: But you know, you wonder what would have happened if

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Speaker 12: they would have just taken a knee. You know, those

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Speaker 12: three points were very critical in that game.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, And so it's the culmination of like

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01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:39,480
Speaker 1: mistakes under you know, with the Kansas City games. And

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Speaker 1: now you know he green lights because I would guess

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Speaker 1: he'd be the one green lighting this. You know, this

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Speaker 1: this play at the end shocked a lot of people.

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Speaker 1: All right, So now he's fired and the Bills have

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Speaker 1: to make some sort of decision. But you've got Josh

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Speaker 1: Allen for well, however long you've got Josh Allen, let's

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Speaker 1: take you know, your review and what you're going to

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Speaker 1: write in the Buffalo News if you've been thinking about it,

1410
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Speaker 1: how he played? What was Josh Allen seeing? What was

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01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:05,080
Speaker 1: he given? Was there a better outcome?

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Speaker 12: You know, I'm in the middle of the of the

1413
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Speaker 12: review of the game, and you know, heading into the

1414
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Speaker 12: fourth quarter, that was a game that they should have won,

1415
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Speaker 12: you know, if not for and this isn't really about

1416
01:05:18,320 --> 01:05:21,120
Speaker 12: the NFL refereeing, but the officiating wasn't good, and it

1417
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Speaker 12: wasn't in the fear of the Bills. And you know,

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Speaker 12: I'm looking at a pass play after the hook and

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01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:30,080
Speaker 12: ladder in the fourth quarter where you know, Brandon Cooks

1420
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Speaker 12: is ripping down the sidelines and Josh Allen throws him

1421
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Speaker 12: up in the in the right corner, and you know

1422
01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:40,160
Speaker 12: the defender has grabbed Cooks for four yards, you know,

1423
01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:42,880
Speaker 12: and I just think, you know, if if that play

1424
01:05:42,960 --> 01:05:46,600
Speaker 12: is called PI, the Bills win. I mean, it's first

1425
01:05:46,600 --> 01:05:50,600
Speaker 12: and goal, right, So it's it's so close in so

1426
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Speaker 12: unfortunate from that perspective. You know, the other thing I

1427
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Speaker 12: would want to say about Allen is, you know, the toughness.

1428
01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:02,080
Speaker 12: I know, you know you talk about you know what

1429
01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:05,160
Speaker 12: he maybe a couple of mistakes he made with the football.

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Speaker 10: But.

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Speaker 12: You know, those tush pushes, let me just say, are

1432
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Speaker 12: very physical plays. And and he is getting.

1433
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Speaker 2: Just clawbar every time Gillian pushes him.

1434
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Speaker 12: Just destroyed in there, like every single time. And it's

1435
01:06:23,600 --> 01:06:25,480
Speaker 12: like sticking your face in a fan. I mean it's

1436
01:06:26,840 --> 01:06:29,400
Speaker 12: over and over and it's amazing to me that he's

1437
01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:30,160
Speaker 12: able to do that.

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Speaker 10: So he's a pretty.

1439
01:06:31,600 --> 01:06:34,920
Speaker 12: Incredible guy, you know, and and you know, nobody's perfect.

1440
01:06:35,240 --> 01:06:37,880
Speaker 12: You'd love to have him, you know, take care of

1441
01:06:37,880 --> 01:06:40,400
Speaker 12: the football in a couple of those situations. But overall,

1442
01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:43,000
Speaker 12: I mean, he gave him a chance to win and

1443
01:06:42,680 --> 01:06:44,880
Speaker 12: and the Bill should have won that game.

1444
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Speaker 1: Jim Kobiak is on trend Rags show here at ninety

1445
01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:51,120
Speaker 1: seven Rock, and you've been analyzing the Buffalo Bills quarterback

1446
01:06:51,240 --> 01:06:53,560
Speaker 1: Josh Allen for the Buffalo News or you know, on

1447
01:06:53,560 --> 01:06:55,840
Speaker 1: occasionally when the backups are in and this year the

1448
01:06:55,840 --> 01:06:58,240
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills especially, he slapped around a bit for not

1449
01:06:58,320 --> 01:07:01,560
Speaker 1: doing more for the wide receivers. When he had Gabe Davis,

1450
01:07:01,600 --> 01:07:03,720
Speaker 1: it looked like he felt a little bit better about

1451
01:07:03,720 --> 01:07:06,720
Speaker 1: having him as an occasional guy to throw to. But

1452
01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:09,520
Speaker 1: going into this game, they were down to like three

1453
01:07:09,720 --> 01:07:12,240
Speaker 1: that really knew this system. And I wanted to know,

1454
01:07:12,440 --> 01:07:14,280
Speaker 1: as you're looking through the tape right now, is it

1455
01:07:14,360 --> 01:07:17,640
Speaker 1: glaring how tough it is to try and you know,

1456
01:07:17,680 --> 01:07:20,120
Speaker 1: make a game work with just the receivers that he

1457
01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:22,920
Speaker 1: had on the field, or it didn't matter.

1458
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Speaker 12: You know, My take on the receiver situation is that

1459
01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:31,840
Speaker 12: it was grossly overblown. You know, when you look at

1460
01:07:31,880 --> 01:07:38,320
Speaker 12: Alan statistically, he didn't suffer from you know, poor receivers.

1461
01:07:38,560 --> 01:07:42,680
Speaker 12: You know, I mean he's a higher completion percentage, about

1462
01:07:42,720 --> 01:07:46,240
Speaker 12: the same yards and touchdowns. And you know, I think

1463
01:07:46,280 --> 01:07:49,680
Speaker 12: maybe a little bit of the pressure from from the

1464
01:07:49,720 --> 01:07:52,560
Speaker 12: outside may have leaked into the building saying, hey, you know,

1465
01:07:52,680 --> 01:07:55,600
Speaker 12: we need better guys, or we need to take more

1466
01:07:55,640 --> 01:07:57,880
Speaker 12: shots down the field. You'd like to see Al and

1467
01:07:57,920 --> 01:08:01,120
Speaker 12: take less sacks. I mean MVP year, you know, it

1468
01:08:01,280 --> 01:08:04,439
Speaker 12: takes what twenty two sacks this year forty one.

1469
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Speaker 10: That's a big difference.

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Speaker 12: You know, why is that happening? You know, I think

1471
01:08:09,160 --> 01:08:12,840
Speaker 12: you know. But with all of that being said, you

1472
01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:17,800
Speaker 12: know a tremendous leader and talent, you know, without a doubt,

1473
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:20,759
Speaker 12: and if they can put some better you know people

1474
01:08:20,800 --> 01:08:23,880
Speaker 12: around him from a receiver standpoint, sure, I mean does

1475
01:08:23,880 --> 01:08:25,080
Speaker 12: it make the passing game better?

1476
01:08:25,240 --> 01:08:28,800
Speaker 2: Absolutely, although I now believe that divas don't like to block,

1477
01:08:28,880 --> 01:08:32,120
Speaker 2: so that's a problem for us. Some number one, But

1478
01:08:32,520 --> 01:08:34,840
Speaker 2: I want to ask you about Shakir because you know,

1479
01:08:34,880 --> 01:08:36,840
Speaker 2: when Shakira gets the ball, even just a couple of

1480
01:08:36,920 --> 01:08:39,960
Speaker 2: yards out, you know, whether it's a quick slant, whatever

1481
01:08:39,960 --> 01:08:43,000
Speaker 2: the case may be. I mean, he gets yards after catch.

1482
01:08:43,240 --> 01:08:45,559
Speaker 2: When we throw him the ball behind the line of scrimmage,

1483
01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:47,080
Speaker 2: it seems like it's a doom play.

1484
01:08:47,320 --> 01:08:47,880
Speaker 10: What is the.

1485
01:08:47,840 --> 01:08:49,519
Speaker 2: Problem with that play and why do we go to

1486
01:08:49,560 --> 01:08:50,160
Speaker 2: it so much?

1487
01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:54,160
Speaker 12: Well, the wide receiver screen is generally packaged with some

1488
01:08:54,320 --> 01:08:57,599
Speaker 12: kind of run right, So it's some kind of RPO situation,

1489
01:08:57,920 --> 01:09:03,679
Speaker 12: or it's a situation where he alerts sensing a blitz right.

1490
01:09:03,840 --> 01:09:08,639
Speaker 12: So those are our blitz escape plays or plays that

1491
01:09:09,880 --> 01:09:13,320
Speaker 12: are like number count. You count the number of defenders.

1492
01:09:13,600 --> 01:09:16,800
Speaker 12: If you don't have enough offensive players to block the run,

1493
01:09:17,840 --> 01:09:20,639
Speaker 12: you throw it out to the wide receiver. Now what's

1494
01:09:20,760 --> 01:09:25,439
Speaker 12: really critical on those plays is the ball placement. Number one,

1495
01:09:25,520 --> 01:09:28,879
Speaker 12: Like you've got to give the receiver an upfield shoulder

1496
01:09:28,920 --> 01:09:30,960
Speaker 12: throw so we can catch it immediately and get up

1497
01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:35,000
Speaker 12: the field. But number two, the blocking, like you know,

1498
01:09:35,160 --> 01:09:38,960
Speaker 12: whoever the other receivers are out there, you know they're

1499
01:09:38,960 --> 01:09:41,680
Speaker 12: blocking the one and two defenders, you know, or the

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01:09:41,680 --> 01:09:46,400
Speaker 12: most dangerous. And there was a play, you know, in

1501
01:09:46,439 --> 01:09:50,600
Speaker 12: the game, third or fourth quarter where the Bills have

1502
01:09:50,640 --> 01:09:53,680
Speaker 12: a chance to extend their lead and we throw the

1503
01:09:53,680 --> 01:09:56,080
Speaker 12: ball to Shakir and and I think it was Dawson

1504
01:09:56,120 --> 01:10:00,320
Speaker 12: Knox just couldn't get to the defender and was a

1505
01:10:00,320 --> 01:10:04,800
Speaker 12: four yard loss. So you know, those plays are are

1506
01:10:04,840 --> 01:10:07,800
Speaker 12: sort of feast or famine. If you get the blocks,

1507
01:10:08,280 --> 01:10:09,600
Speaker 12: you give Shakir chance to.

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Speaker 10: Make a play.

1509
01:10:11,360 --> 01:10:13,880
Speaker 12: If you don't get the blocks, it's you know, you're

1510
01:10:13,880 --> 01:10:14,479
Speaker 12: dead in the water.

1511
01:10:14,720 --> 01:10:17,320
Speaker 1: Jim kobiak he reviews Josh Allen and the offense for

1512
01:10:17,360 --> 01:10:19,840
Speaker 1: the Buffalo News. Joe Brady got slapped around this year

1513
01:10:19,840 --> 01:10:23,000
Speaker 1: that he wasn't creative enough, not enough movement. Because you

1514
01:10:23,080 --> 01:10:25,000
Speaker 1: watch Josh Allen, you have to watch the play. What

1515
01:10:25,040 --> 01:10:26,000
Speaker 1: did you think of Joe Brady?

1516
01:10:26,240 --> 01:10:30,200
Speaker 12: I think the head coaches and organizations have the opportunity

1517
01:10:30,280 --> 01:10:33,960
Speaker 12: to decide are we going to you know, live in

1518
01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:37,000
Speaker 12: the spread and throw the ball forty five times a

1519
01:10:37,040 --> 01:10:38,639
Speaker 12: game or are we going to be balanced?

1520
01:10:38,680 --> 01:10:39,200
Speaker 8: And why?

1521
01:10:39,840 --> 01:10:42,840
Speaker 12: And I think the organization made a decision we need

1522
01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:45,880
Speaker 12: to be a better running team. Brady's brought that, you know,

1523
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:48,679
Speaker 12: he's He's done a super job with all the different

1524
01:10:48,720 --> 01:10:53,200
Speaker 12: personnels and in the game plans. You know, I think

1525
01:10:53,240 --> 01:10:56,240
Speaker 12: the game plans and the tight formations and you know,

1526
01:10:57,080 --> 01:11:00,919
Speaker 12: it's not pretty, you know, it's it's it's it's something

1527
01:11:00,960 --> 01:11:04,320
Speaker 12: that you know, doesn't make you jump up and down,

1528
01:11:04,680 --> 01:11:07,840
Speaker 12: you know, all the time, but it's been very effective.

1529
01:11:08,320 --> 01:11:10,000
Speaker 2: Do you think Joe Brady's done enough to become the

1530
01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:11,360
Speaker 2: head coach and do you think it'd be a good

1531
01:11:11,400 --> 01:11:13,679
Speaker 2: fit to move right up to head coach with Josh Allen?

1532
01:11:14,160 --> 01:11:17,000
Speaker 12: Well, he's interviewing for other head coaching positions, so you

1533
01:11:17,080 --> 01:11:21,519
Speaker 12: have to wonder, you know, I have to believe that

1534
01:11:21,680 --> 01:11:24,240
Speaker 12: Brandon Bean is going to keep this in house. I

1535
01:11:24,880 --> 01:11:28,360
Speaker 12: don't have any information on that, but there's so much

1536
01:11:28,640 --> 01:11:33,160
Speaker 12: good that has been created by Sean McDermott and his

1537
01:11:33,280 --> 01:11:35,960
Speaker 12: staff over the last nine years that you know, you

1538
01:11:36,080 --> 01:11:38,479
Speaker 12: have to say, you know, this isn't a situation where

1539
01:11:38,840 --> 01:11:41,559
Speaker 12: you know you're gonna gut the pumpkin and start over.

1540
01:11:41,800 --> 01:11:45,200
Speaker 12: I don't think that's the situation. I think the more

1541
01:11:45,280 --> 01:11:50,640
Speaker 12: that you can keep the same for the players and

1542
01:11:50,720 --> 01:11:53,960
Speaker 12: the systems is a benefit to Allen. I would say

1543
01:11:54,120 --> 01:11:57,200
Speaker 12: number one. And you know the question I would have

1544
01:11:57,280 --> 01:11:59,920
Speaker 12: And I don't know Joe Brady and and I'm sure

1545
01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:02,960
Speaker 12: he's a very exciting guy to talk to and obviously

1546
01:12:03,080 --> 01:12:07,439
Speaker 12: very bright. You know, does his leadership style is it

1547
01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:12,400
Speaker 12: different than Sean McDermott And how different is it? And

1548
01:12:13,439 --> 01:12:15,080
Speaker 12: do I think he should be a candidate?

1549
01:12:15,120 --> 01:12:15,720
Speaker 10: Absolutely?

1550
01:12:17,120 --> 01:12:20,639
Speaker 12: I have to believe that Brandon bean in this move

1551
01:12:20,840 --> 01:12:26,920
Speaker 12: was made for an internal candidate. That's my take on it. Again,

1552
01:12:26,960 --> 01:12:28,880
Speaker 12: I don't have any information on that, but I just

1553
01:12:28,960 --> 01:12:30,840
Speaker 12: makes sense feel like that would be the best way

1554
01:12:30,840 --> 01:12:31,040
Speaker 12: to go.

1555
01:12:31,240 --> 01:12:32,880
Speaker 1: Jim Kobiak, thank you so much. Jim.

1556
01:12:33,479 --> 01:12:34,000
Speaker 5: Thanks guys.

1557
01:12:34,080 --> 01:12:35,920
Speaker 1: You know who's at the press conference right now? Is

1558
01:12:35,920 --> 01:12:38,200
Speaker 1: that Tyler Dunn? Tyler, good morning, how are you?

1559
01:12:39,280 --> 01:12:40,360
Speaker 3: What's up, fellas?

1560
01:12:40,439 --> 01:12:43,160
Speaker 11: Yeah, a little bit of news here in Orchard Park,

1561
01:12:43,240 --> 01:12:45,680
Speaker 11: New York. So it was nice that there's no lake

1562
01:12:45,720 --> 01:12:47,080
Speaker 11: effect on the drive up.

1563
01:12:47,000 --> 01:12:48,800
Speaker 13: From Ellicottville, ready to rock.

1564
01:12:48,840 --> 01:12:51,080
Speaker 11: I got your fury minutes early and there's not even

1565
01:12:51,120 --> 01:12:51,920
Speaker 11: a spot to sit.

1566
01:12:52,520 --> 01:12:54,000
Speaker 2: Really, that's packed.

1567
01:12:54,360 --> 01:12:56,360
Speaker 1: So you're like, I'm early at the concert. I should

1568
01:12:56,520 --> 01:12:58,720
Speaker 1: I can't see the stage. Damn it.

1569
01:12:59,000 --> 01:13:01,680
Speaker 9: Exactly all right, I'll find a way to jam in there.

1570
01:13:01,680 --> 01:13:05,400
Speaker 1: You'll find it. Tyler was initially go longtd dot com

1571
01:13:05,479 --> 01:13:07,080
Speaker 1: is his long form site. But Tyler has been at

1572
01:13:07,080 --> 01:13:08,880
Speaker 1: this for a long time writing long form, and to

1573
01:13:08,920 --> 01:13:10,479
Speaker 1: do long form it means you got to put tremendous

1574
01:13:10,479 --> 01:13:12,759
Speaker 1: amount of work into it. And he started hearing rumblings

1575
01:13:12,760 --> 01:13:17,040
Speaker 1: about how the style, Sean McDermott's style was rubbing players

1576
01:13:17,120 --> 01:13:20,320
Speaker 1: the wrong way. And in twenty twenty three, you know,

1577
01:13:20,360 --> 01:13:22,320
Speaker 1: you got a chance to finally sit down with him

1578
01:13:22,320 --> 01:13:23,680
Speaker 1: and spend some time with it. But it was an

1579
01:13:23,720 --> 01:13:26,880
Speaker 1: amazing article and maybe it did help him sort of

1580
01:13:26,920 --> 01:13:29,960
Speaker 1: reconfigure how he became a coach. But in the end,

1581
01:13:30,240 --> 01:13:33,280
Speaker 1: you've got three reasons why the Buffalo Bills moved on

1582
01:13:33,320 --> 01:13:35,200
Speaker 1: from McDermott. I'll read your three and then maybe you

1583
01:13:35,240 --> 01:13:39,799
Speaker 1: can expound a little bit defensive playoff failures, grinding on people,

1584
01:13:40,320 --> 01:13:44,240
Speaker 1: relationship with the GM Let's start with the defensive playoff failures.

1585
01:13:44,439 --> 01:13:44,800
Speaker 8: How so.

1586
01:13:47,680 --> 01:13:52,240
Speaker 11: Well, you you've got arguably the greatest talent in the sport.

1587
01:13:52,840 --> 01:13:55,240
Speaker 11: And I think you can really pinpoint twenty twenty as

1588
01:13:55,280 --> 01:13:57,559
Speaker 11: the season he arrived as a super stary finished second

1589
01:13:57,560 --> 01:14:00,839
Speaker 11: in the MVP voting, So that kind of the window

1590
01:14:01,040 --> 01:14:03,680
Speaker 11: of legitimate championship contention there.

1591
01:14:04,080 --> 01:14:07,280
Speaker 13: And the defense hasn't been able.

1592
01:14:07,080 --> 01:14:11,000
Speaker 11: To throw him a bone, let alone carry him through

1593
01:14:11,040 --> 01:14:14,519
Speaker 11: any of these playoff losses. And it's it's kind of

1594
01:14:14,520 --> 01:14:16,639
Speaker 11: wild when you look at the stats, and I break

1595
01:14:16,640 --> 01:14:19,160
Speaker 11: it down in the story, it's it's historical.

1596
01:14:19,200 --> 01:14:20,720
Speaker 13: I mean, they are allowing.

1597
01:14:20,720 --> 01:14:23,800
Speaker 11: More points per drive in the last six playoff losses

1598
01:14:24,240 --> 01:14:26,840
Speaker 11: than the two thousand and seven Patriots scored. I mean,

1599
01:14:26,840 --> 01:14:27,639
Speaker 11: it just gives you a.

1600
01:14:27,600 --> 01:14:30,480
Speaker 13: Sense for how catastrophic.

1601
01:14:29,840 --> 01:14:31,200
Speaker 3: The defense has played.

1602
01:14:31,720 --> 01:14:34,080
Speaker 11: You know, Aaron hasn't been perfect, and he had the

1603
01:14:34,080 --> 01:14:35,280
Speaker 11: four turnovers this last game.

1604
01:14:35,360 --> 01:14:36,960
Speaker 13: He also set up a record.

1605
01:14:36,640 --> 01:14:39,559
Speaker 11: For six playoff games in a row without a turnover,

1606
01:14:40,160 --> 01:14:42,880
Speaker 11: and I just see, you know, his passer rating is

1607
01:14:43,640 --> 01:14:46,240
Speaker 11: I want to say, fourth all time in the playoffs,

1608
01:14:46,439 --> 01:14:50,479
Speaker 11: only behind bart Star, Patrick Mahomes and Kurt Warner. When

1609
01:14:50,479 --> 01:14:53,200
Speaker 11: he caught lightning in a bottle that I'm kind of

1610
01:14:53,240 --> 01:14:55,120
Speaker 11: all over the place here. That kind of explains why

1611
01:14:55,160 --> 01:14:58,240
Speaker 11: the GM wins defense crazy. Just you know, let's let's

1612
01:14:58,280 --> 01:15:00,360
Speaker 11: just throw a bunch of players at this and try

1613
01:15:00,360 --> 01:15:03,120
Speaker 11: to get different results, try to force one turnover. And

1614
01:15:03,200 --> 01:15:06,160
Speaker 11: yet again it happened, and this time there's no Mahomes,

1615
01:15:06,200 --> 01:15:09,080
Speaker 11: no Burrow, no Lamar, and boon Knicks, who finished twenty

1616
01:15:09,120 --> 01:15:11,880
Speaker 11: ninth and passer rating in a second year, figured out

1617
01:15:11,920 --> 01:15:13,479
Speaker 11: a way to make a place late against you.

1618
01:15:14,439 --> 01:15:17,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's this one thing that you bring up, and

1619
01:15:17,240 --> 01:15:21,240
Speaker 1: so Denver's driving. It's third and eleven at the Denver

1620
01:15:21,320 --> 01:15:24,519
Speaker 1: thirty eight with tooth I'm sorry, the Denver thirty seven

1621
01:15:24,760 --> 01:15:28,360
Speaker 1: with two thirty eight to go. Buffalo showed blitz seven

1622
01:15:28,400 --> 01:15:30,600
Speaker 1: defenders crowding the line of scrimmage, and you write, and

1623
01:15:30,680 --> 01:15:33,479
Speaker 1: for that moment, you wonder if this guy, who's had

1624
01:15:33,560 --> 01:15:36,120
Speaker 1: such a habit of shrinking in the big moment would

1625
01:15:36,160 --> 01:15:40,679
Speaker 1: go for it and bum rush bon Nicks. So seven

1626
01:15:40,760 --> 01:15:44,240
Speaker 1: defenders about ready to blitz. It's third and eleven and

1627
01:15:44,320 --> 01:15:48,560
Speaker 1: then hike and he backs off and Knicks delivers a

1628
01:15:48,600 --> 01:15:51,280
Speaker 1: twenty five yard at a Courtland Sutton and that's it.

1629
01:15:51,360 --> 01:15:54,040
Speaker 1: And you said one team source told you you need

1630
01:15:54,160 --> 01:15:57,800
Speaker 1: one effing stop here. It is defensive coach, get the

1631
01:15:57,960 --> 01:16:01,680
Speaker 1: f and stop and McDermott couldn't do it. It's interesting stuff.

1632
01:16:02,320 --> 01:16:05,080
Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean, and look, we can parse through this

1633
01:16:05,160 --> 01:16:07,439
Speaker 11: game play to play, moment to moment.

1634
01:16:07,560 --> 01:16:08,320
Speaker 10: I get it.

1635
01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:11,400
Speaker 11: But that is the familiar site, isn't it like that?

1636
01:16:11,400 --> 01:16:13,400
Speaker 11: That is what we've seen.

1637
01:16:14,160 --> 01:16:16,080
Speaker 10: Through these these playoff games.

1638
01:16:15,960 --> 01:16:19,040
Speaker 11: That really lasted nearly a decade long. It's yeah, as

1639
01:16:19,040 --> 01:16:22,040
Speaker 11: bad as it was. Josh Allen and the Bills offense

1640
01:16:22,600 --> 01:16:26,719
Speaker 11: were poised to become just the second team in NFL

1641
01:16:26,920 --> 01:16:30,559
Speaker 11: history to win a road playoff game with a minus

1642
01:16:30,560 --> 01:16:33,800
Speaker 11: three turnover differential. So through all that they figure out

1643
01:16:33,800 --> 01:16:35,519
Speaker 11: a way to claw back. You get him in that

1644
01:16:35,560 --> 01:16:38,360
Speaker 11: third and eleven, you're bringing the hounds and get back up.

1645
01:16:38,400 --> 01:16:41,120
Speaker 11: I mean, that is the passive zone kind of stuff

1646
01:16:41,439 --> 01:16:43,000
Speaker 11: that has cost them in these moments.

1647
01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:45,879
Speaker 13: And I think what Vincherson do is four plays later.

1648
01:16:47,160 --> 01:16:49,920
Speaker 11: He didn't learn his lesson. You know, earlier in the game,

1649
01:16:50,200 --> 01:16:52,720
Speaker 11: when Cam Lewis in safety gets turt Darnold Savage is

1650
01:16:52,720 --> 01:16:56,080
Speaker 11: in your fifth or sixth stringer Sean Payton goes right

1651
01:16:56,120 --> 01:16:58,640
Speaker 11: at him touchdown. So what what do you think is

1652
01:16:58,680 --> 01:17:01,599
Speaker 11: gonna happen again. Of course they're gonna go after Dane

1653
01:17:01,680 --> 01:17:04,679
Speaker 11: Jackson ice cold off the sideline. Of course, Sean Payton,

1654
01:17:04,760 --> 01:17:07,880
Speaker 11: a Super Bowl champ, is going to target that sore spot.

1655
01:17:08,280 --> 01:17:10,000
Speaker 13: And in that case, you don't give.

1656
01:17:09,880 --> 01:17:11,519
Speaker 11: Him any help. You leave him one on one on

1657
01:17:11,560 --> 01:17:14,599
Speaker 11: the island. It just doesn't really compute when you consider

1658
01:17:14,640 --> 01:17:17,280
Speaker 11: that Sean McDermott is a defensive minded head coach.

1659
01:17:17,320 --> 01:17:18,240
Speaker 13: I think that's the thing too.

1660
01:17:18,680 --> 01:17:20,479
Speaker 11: Like you know, you would you would hope that he

1661
01:17:20,479 --> 01:17:21,800
Speaker 11: would just kind of figure it out for one of

1662
01:17:21,840 --> 01:17:26,160
Speaker 11: these playoff games to hold a team under thirty points,

1663
01:17:26,240 --> 01:17:27,240
Speaker 11: and it just never happened.

1664
01:17:27,320 --> 01:17:28,120
Speaker 10: It was time to move on.

1665
01:17:28,280 --> 01:17:31,120
Speaker 1: Buffalo's defense had allowed thirty three point two points per

1666
01:17:31,200 --> 01:17:33,679
Speaker 1: game in the last six playoff losses. That's pretty insane,

1667
01:17:33,680 --> 01:17:36,920
Speaker 1: all right. Next one, Sean McDermott is an intensive He's

1668
01:17:36,960 --> 01:17:39,519
Speaker 1: an intense dude, and he would grind on people and

1669
01:17:39,560 --> 01:17:41,000
Speaker 1: it started to wear on people. What did you learn

1670
01:17:41,000 --> 01:17:41,360
Speaker 1: about that?

1671
01:17:43,120 --> 01:17:43,320
Speaker 8: Right?

1672
01:17:43,360 --> 01:17:47,040
Speaker 11: And obviously this was a big scene in the three

1673
01:17:47,080 --> 01:17:49,800
Speaker 11: part series that we did in December of twenty twenty three,

1674
01:17:49,800 --> 01:17:52,120
Speaker 11: which is unlocked. If anybody wants to go back and

1675
01:17:52,200 --> 01:17:54,720
Speaker 11: check out those stories. I chatted with a lot of

1676
01:17:54,760 --> 01:18:00,040
Speaker 11: people at one Bill's Drive, Coaches front, offers, administrative, and

1677
01:17:59,840 --> 01:18:03,600
Speaker 11: that was a general theme that he is difficult to

1678
01:18:03,640 --> 01:18:06,640
Speaker 11: work for. And look that that's a strength to the

1679
01:18:06,680 --> 01:18:11,760
Speaker 11: Rex Ryan days were certifiably insane, So you needed that discipline,

1680
01:18:11,880 --> 01:18:13,320
Speaker 11: You needed somebody who's gonna be.

1681
01:18:13,240 --> 01:18:13,760
Speaker 13: Hard on you.

1682
01:18:14,439 --> 01:18:18,400
Speaker 11: But I think that when you approach it consistently day

1683
01:18:18,439 --> 01:18:20,639
Speaker 11: in day out, year in year out.

1684
01:18:20,920 --> 01:18:21,599
Speaker 13: Yeah, it does.

1685
01:18:21,760 --> 01:18:24,719
Speaker 11: It does grind on people, and more so not just players,

1686
01:18:24,760 --> 01:18:27,240
Speaker 11: because if the players do love Sean McDermot, a lot

1687
01:18:27,240 --> 01:18:30,160
Speaker 11: of them do. More so like the day to day

1688
01:18:30,160 --> 01:18:33,599
Speaker 11: interactions with a lot of folks who do report to him.

1689
01:18:33,600 --> 01:18:35,840
Speaker 11: And that kind of surprised me when I reached out

1690
01:18:35,880 --> 01:18:38,400
Speaker 11: to people on Monday, because look, I sat down with

1691
01:18:38,439 --> 01:18:41,120
Speaker 11: Sean mcderm in his office a year ago and we

1692
01:18:41,200 --> 01:18:43,720
Speaker 11: got into his evolution, and he wanted to make it clear, Look,

1693
01:18:43,720 --> 01:18:46,960
Speaker 11: I wasn't one person and then now I'm another person.

1694
01:18:47,320 --> 01:18:49,880
Speaker 11: But then the way he kind of described the last year,

1695
01:18:49,920 --> 01:18:52,559
Speaker 11: it sounded like he really did evolve. I had somebody

1696
01:18:52,960 --> 01:18:56,400
Speaker 11: pretty high up in this organization tell me that, you know,

1697
01:18:56,439 --> 01:18:58,840
Speaker 11: those stories did wake them up for a little bit.

1698
01:18:59,479 --> 01:19:01,960
Speaker 11: Had a little more empathy, softened a bit, but then

1699
01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:05,639
Speaker 11: whenever kind of the pressure would ratchet up, he'd revert

1700
01:19:05,720 --> 01:19:06,679
Speaker 11: to his old ways.

1701
01:19:07,120 --> 01:19:09,680
Speaker 13: And I just think, look, this isn't indifferent in.

1702
01:19:09,720 --> 01:19:12,760
Speaker 11: A lot of situations. It was just time, man, Like,

1703
01:19:13,479 --> 01:19:16,960
Speaker 11: they need a shot in the arm. They need a fresh, new,

1704
01:19:17,160 --> 01:19:19,080
Speaker 11: bold vision, a different voice.

1705
01:19:19,439 --> 01:19:21,320
Speaker 13: And I do think a big part of that too.

1706
01:19:22,120 --> 01:19:23,960
Speaker 11: And this is another thing that surprised me talking to

1707
01:19:24,000 --> 01:19:26,360
Speaker 11: people this week and the stories online for those who

1708
01:19:26,360 --> 01:19:28,840
Speaker 11: want to check it out, thirteen seconds hovered over this

1709
01:19:28,880 --> 01:19:31,000
Speaker 11: team like a dark cloud, like it's been four years.

1710
01:19:31,040 --> 01:19:32,040
Speaker 10: It's been a long time.

1711
01:19:32,360 --> 01:19:37,160
Speaker 11: But I think that you know, his direct mistakes in

1712
01:19:37,200 --> 01:19:41,120
Speaker 11: that moment. People knew it. He didn't take accountability in

1713
01:19:41,160 --> 01:19:43,839
Speaker 11: the moment, and it has lingered like a bad hangover.

1714
01:19:44,720 --> 01:19:48,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, last one relationship with the GM and he and Bean,

1715
01:19:48,960 --> 01:19:52,320
Speaker 1: you know, had this sort of uncomfortable relationship. They mostly

1716
01:19:52,360 --> 01:19:55,120
Speaker 1: made it work and yet it began to sour. And

1717
01:19:55,160 --> 01:19:56,280
Speaker 1: I wonder what you heard about that.

1718
01:19:58,479 --> 01:20:00,600
Speaker 11: You know, it was described to me as we're respectful.

1719
01:20:00,960 --> 01:20:04,599
Speaker 11: It wasn't like they were on non speaking terms anything

1720
01:20:04,680 --> 01:20:08,639
Speaker 11: like that. But it wasn't healthy. It wasn't it wasn't good,

1721
01:20:09,080 --> 01:20:12,120
Speaker 11: and I think it was festering for a while, Like

1722
01:20:12,160 --> 01:20:14,280
Speaker 11: I'm sure, look a lot of it's public and Sean

1723
01:20:14,320 --> 01:20:17,200
Speaker 11: McDermott is make it a point to bring up to

1724
01:20:17,280 --> 01:20:21,760
Speaker 11: Kobe Myers multiple times and referenced the roster in so

1725
01:20:21,840 --> 01:20:25,040
Speaker 11: many words, is you know he's careful about it, but

1726
01:20:25,120 --> 01:20:27,519
Speaker 11: you could kind of tell that maybe there was something,

1727
01:20:28,800 --> 01:20:31,800
Speaker 11: you know, boiling, broiling behind the scenes. And that is

1728
01:20:31,920 --> 01:20:35,040
Speaker 11: true from what I've heard, Like one was gonna stay,

1729
01:20:35,600 --> 01:20:38,559
Speaker 11: one was gonna go it barring you know, a run

1730
01:20:38,600 --> 01:20:41,040
Speaker 11: to the super Bowl, a championship. It was gonna be hard,

1731
01:20:41,120 --> 01:20:44,160
Speaker 11: I think for them to run this back. Look, it's

1732
01:20:44,160 --> 01:20:48,519
Speaker 11: been nine years. The comparison I always bring up is, look,

1733
01:20:49,479 --> 01:20:51,559
Speaker 11: our college roommates back in the day. He's like my

1734
01:20:51,600 --> 01:20:53,920
Speaker 11: best friend, lived together two years. We wanted to kill

1735
01:20:53,960 --> 01:20:57,040
Speaker 11: each other. Sometimes. I can't imagine playing with somebody for

1736
01:20:57,120 --> 01:20:59,400
Speaker 11: nine years. You see, they probably have seen each other

1737
01:20:59,439 --> 01:21:02,679
Speaker 11: more than there's bouses. So it just just ran its course,

1738
01:21:02,760 --> 01:21:06,800
Speaker 11: right like it somebody had to go. And clearly the owner,

1739
01:21:06,880 --> 01:21:10,160
Speaker 11: Terry Pagoula, trusts Brandon Bean and look, we can look

1740
01:21:10,200 --> 01:21:12,160
Speaker 11: at this season, we can look at the wide receiver.

1741
01:21:11,880 --> 01:21:16,320
Speaker 13: Position, all of that is justified. The roster is very imperfect.

1742
01:21:16,600 --> 01:21:19,040
Speaker 11: Things did not go according to Planet Receiver, But I

1743
01:21:19,080 --> 01:21:21,799
Speaker 11: think that the Bills and Pegoula didn't want to lose

1744
01:21:21,880 --> 01:21:25,559
Speaker 11: the plot here, like a decade's worth of these playoff losses,

1745
01:21:26,120 --> 01:21:28,760
Speaker 11: and how he's working with people behind the scenes and

1746
01:21:28,800 --> 01:21:31,799
Speaker 11: the need for that core for for the owner, GM,

1747
01:21:31,840 --> 01:21:34,320
Speaker 11: head coach and quarterback to all be aligned.

1748
01:21:35,080 --> 01:21:37,679
Speaker 1: One more thing, and it's about his relationship with Josh Allen,

1749
01:21:37,720 --> 01:21:40,759
Speaker 1: because that is the most important, right And you wrote

1750
01:21:40,760 --> 01:21:42,920
Speaker 1: at one point, players and coaches point out that the

1751
01:21:42,920 --> 01:21:46,640
Speaker 1: head coach rarely praised Josh Allen publicly up until his

1752
01:21:46,800 --> 01:21:50,479
Speaker 1: MVP season in twenty twenty four. Their point, McDermott for

1753
01:21:50,520 --> 01:21:54,240
Speaker 1: a long time, for too long, believe the team ran

1754
01:21:54,360 --> 01:21:58,320
Speaker 1: through McDermott, not the quarterback. And I had text you,

1755
01:21:58,360 --> 01:22:00,920
Speaker 1: I said, we've worked with a lot of major radio

1756
01:22:01,000 --> 01:22:03,599
Speaker 1: egos over the years, and boy did that Land? Did

1757
01:22:03,600 --> 01:22:08,240
Speaker 1: that line Land? Because that's human nature, bad human nature.

1758
01:22:08,680 --> 01:22:11,800
Speaker 1: That he didn't recognize that he had not just a quarterback,

1759
01:22:12,080 --> 01:22:15,240
Speaker 1: but an insanely great quarterback, and that may have led

1760
01:22:15,280 --> 01:22:17,639
Speaker 1: to some ego clashes with him and may have stumped

1761
01:22:17,640 --> 01:22:19,840
Speaker 1: at his development a little bit. But anyway, what did

1762
01:22:19,880 --> 01:22:20,639
Speaker 1: you think of that line?

1763
01:22:22,000 --> 01:22:22,640
Speaker 10: You nailed it.

1764
01:22:22,920 --> 01:22:26,720
Speaker 11: That is one percent the case. I think, yeah, he

1765
01:22:26,800 --> 01:22:30,840
Speaker 11: reached that realization, that epiphany year seven of nine, when

1766
01:22:30,880 --> 01:22:33,720
Speaker 11: Josh Allen is the MVP of the league and he's

1767
01:22:33,720 --> 01:22:37,599
Speaker 11: been effusively optimistic in praising him.

1768
01:22:38,439 --> 01:22:39,599
Speaker 13: He had several stories.

1769
01:22:40,160 --> 01:22:41,760
Speaker 11: I think there's a great story in The Athletic by

1770
01:22:41,840 --> 01:22:45,920
Speaker 11: Dan POMPEII and Josh Allen goes to the McDermott's household

1771
01:22:45,920 --> 01:22:48,080
Speaker 11: and has dinner, and Sean was at his wedding, So

1772
01:22:48,800 --> 01:22:50,880
Speaker 11: I mean, yeah, I don't think they're at each other's

1773
01:22:50,920 --> 01:22:52,800
Speaker 11: necks or anything like that. I'm sure with a sad

1774
01:22:52,920 --> 01:22:56,360
Speaker 11: day for Josh when Jesus goes fired, But I think

1775
01:22:56,400 --> 01:23:00,800
Speaker 11: that the calculus should have changed in twenty twenty when

1776
01:23:00,920 --> 01:23:04,920
Speaker 11: Josh Allen is a superstar and in thirteen seconds when

1777
01:23:04,960 --> 01:23:08,479
Speaker 11: he does everything possible to win that game, and they

1778
01:23:08,479 --> 01:23:10,600
Speaker 11: would have been Super Bowl champs that year if the

1779
01:23:10,640 --> 01:23:13,280
Speaker 11: head coach just squibs it and doesn't know a rule

1780
01:23:13,320 --> 01:23:16,160
Speaker 11: a special teams coordinator, he doesn't seize the play contrat

1781
01:23:16,240 --> 01:23:19,439
Speaker 11: Leslie Frasier, all of that, but I just think he Yeah,

1782
01:23:19,600 --> 01:23:22,760
Speaker 11: it was ending the drought and fixing the culture. All

1783
01:23:22,800 --> 01:23:25,720
Speaker 11: that was very real, But I don't think that Sean McDermott,

1784
01:23:25,760 --> 01:23:29,760
Speaker 11: like others in the building, realized, Look, the center of

1785
01:23:29,760 --> 01:23:32,599
Speaker 11: the universe here is Josh Allen. It's not the head coach.

1786
01:23:32,880 --> 01:23:35,000
Speaker 11: And by the time he did, it was a little

1787
01:23:35,040 --> 01:23:39,200
Speaker 11: too late, and relationships were starting to get splintered him

1788
01:23:39,200 --> 01:23:40,800
Speaker 11: in the GM, and it was it was time.

1789
01:23:41,000 --> 01:23:41,720
Speaker 13: It was time to go.

1790
01:23:41,840 --> 01:23:43,360
Speaker 1: What was that story, by the way, you had heard

1791
01:23:43,400 --> 01:23:45,800
Speaker 1: when Josh Allen was building a house in Buffalo and

1792
01:23:45,880 --> 01:23:46,920
Speaker 1: McDermott heard about it.

1793
01:23:48,640 --> 01:23:50,840
Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, somebody there to tell me. That was in

1794
01:23:50,920 --> 01:23:52,639
Speaker 11: the in our series as well, a couple of years ago.

1795
01:23:53,120 --> 01:23:56,479
Speaker 11: You know, he told somebody to tell Josh Josh, I

1796
01:23:56,560 --> 01:23:59,040
Speaker 11: quit worrying about that EF and house, you know, and

1797
01:23:59,320 --> 01:24:01,960
Speaker 11: we got football games to win here. In so many words,

1798
01:24:03,520 --> 01:24:05,240
Speaker 11: very strange, very strange.

1799
01:24:05,520 --> 01:24:09,320
Speaker 2: Indeed, now looking forward, are you hearing any rumlings now

1800
01:24:09,439 --> 01:24:11,479
Speaker 2: as to which direction the Bills might want to go?

1801
01:24:11,520 --> 01:24:13,600
Speaker 2: Are your thoughts on, you know, do they go for

1802
01:24:13,640 --> 01:24:16,320
Speaker 2: an offensive guy rather than a defensive guy? I mean,

1803
01:24:16,439 --> 01:24:20,080
Speaker 2: obviously you know you got problems on the defense too.

1804
01:24:20,360 --> 01:24:22,120
Speaker 1: I'm pulling for day Ball, but I don't know what

1805
01:24:22,160 --> 01:24:22,800
Speaker 1: you're thinking of that.

1806
01:24:25,000 --> 01:24:28,960
Speaker 11: Dable's fascinating. You know, it was like a father son dynamic.

1807
01:24:29,040 --> 01:24:29,559
Speaker 10: For sure.

1808
01:24:29,840 --> 01:24:33,120
Speaker 11: He got the most out of Josh Allen. Their relationship

1809
01:24:33,200 --> 01:24:36,599
Speaker 11: transcended football. They hang out off the field.

1810
01:24:36,680 --> 01:24:40,000
Speaker 13: It was it was special. There were veterans on those.

1811
01:24:39,760 --> 01:24:42,400
Speaker 11: Teams that do believe the Bills have multiple Super Bowls

1812
01:24:42,479 --> 01:24:46,000
Speaker 11: right now if Dables to one deep stays instead of McDermott.

1813
01:24:46,400 --> 01:24:48,000
Speaker 11: But you know, then he gets to the Giants. He

1814
01:24:48,040 --> 01:24:49,400
Speaker 11: did a lot of good things with the Giants too.

1815
01:24:49,439 --> 01:24:49,680
Speaker 3: My god.

1816
01:24:49,680 --> 01:24:51,680
Speaker 11: I mean they took Daniel Jones to the playoffs, won

1817
01:24:51,720 --> 01:24:55,360
Speaker 11: a playoff game, and then things went south with him

1818
01:24:55,479 --> 01:25:00,759
Speaker 11: with injuries, with relationships himself, with other coaches, to Jackson Dart,

1819
01:25:00,800 --> 01:25:03,760
Speaker 11: we just couldn't stop getting concussed this past year as

1820
01:25:03,800 --> 01:25:07,519
Speaker 11: a rookie, I kind of am hemming at Hawn, like

1821
01:25:07,640 --> 01:25:09,719
Speaker 11: in one side of my mouth, one side of my brain.

1822
01:25:09,760 --> 01:25:12,520
Speaker 11: It makes a lot of sense because of that relationship

1823
01:25:12,520 --> 01:25:14,160
Speaker 11: with Josh Allen, because.

1824
01:25:14,080 --> 01:25:15,280
Speaker 13: He's from Western New York.

1825
01:25:15,280 --> 01:25:17,679
Speaker 11: You want to talk about somebody who gets Buffalo, Sean

1826
01:25:17,720 --> 01:25:20,240
Speaker 11: McDermott did, but hell, Brian Dable, he grew up here.

1827
01:25:20,320 --> 01:25:22,719
Speaker 13: He knows the city, he knows Western New York.

1828
01:25:23,520 --> 01:25:26,000
Speaker 11: He has family here, makes all the sense in the world.

1829
01:25:26,240 --> 01:25:27,559
Speaker 13: The unknown is just okay.

1830
01:25:27,600 --> 01:25:31,400
Speaker 11: You know, Brandon beans overseeing the search. He obviously is

1831
01:25:31,840 --> 01:25:33,600
Speaker 11: close and has worked with Joe Shane, who was the

1832
01:25:33,680 --> 01:25:37,200
Speaker 11: GM with the Giants, and I'm sure Joe Shay, look,

1833
01:25:37,280 --> 01:25:39,680
Speaker 11: he's still with the Giants. Table is not what.

1834
01:25:39,840 --> 01:25:41,760
Speaker 13: Happened behind the scenes that we don't know.

1835
01:25:42,600 --> 01:25:46,639
Speaker 11: I'm sure there's intel there that b knows that maybe

1836
01:25:46,640 --> 01:25:48,120
Speaker 11: the public doesn't know. And he's got to kind of

1837
01:25:48,120 --> 01:25:50,439
Speaker 11: wave us all out in deciding whether or not Brian

1838
01:25:50,520 --> 01:25:52,360
Speaker 11: Dable should be the head coach of Buffalo.

1839
01:25:52,439 --> 01:25:54,120
Speaker 1: So if I go to golong td dot com, we'll

1840
01:25:54,160 --> 01:25:56,280
Speaker 1: be able to read those three stories from the previous

1841
01:25:56,400 --> 01:25:58,920
Speaker 1: as well as you know, check out the brand new

1842
01:25:59,000 --> 01:26:02,600
Speaker 1: article you put together about Sean McDermott.

1843
01:26:02,120 --> 01:26:05,080
Speaker 11: Right you gotta tell me, yep, it's all right there.

1844
01:26:05,640 --> 01:26:08,160
Speaker 11: Go along to you dot com the main story from

1845
01:26:08,200 --> 01:26:11,320
Speaker 11: this week why Sean mcdermot's fired, And once you click it,

1846
01:26:11,479 --> 01:26:15,120
Speaker 11: all three parts from December twenty twenty three are open

1847
01:26:15,320 --> 01:26:17,200
Speaker 11: right there, and if you like what you see, love

1848
01:26:17,240 --> 01:26:19,040
Speaker 11: it if you subscribed, and then check out our piece

1849
01:26:19,080 --> 01:26:19,400
Speaker 11: this week.

1850
01:26:19,640 --> 01:26:21,120
Speaker 2: Most people trying to get buy you for a seat

1851
01:26:21,120 --> 01:26:21,919
Speaker 2: in the press conference.

1852
01:26:23,800 --> 01:26:25,479
Speaker 11: You know what, I hustled out to my truck here,

1853
01:26:25,520 --> 01:26:27,799
Speaker 11: so I'm just I'm kind of like in the fetal

1854
01:26:27,880 --> 01:26:30,160
Speaker 11: position here in the Tacoma. But we do it. We

1855
01:26:30,200 --> 01:26:30,880
Speaker 11: do have the heat on.

1856
01:26:30,920 --> 01:26:32,120
Speaker 10: I had to turn that on. It.

1857
01:26:32,960 --> 01:26:35,559
Speaker 1: I really appreciate it. We both really appreciate the time.

1858
01:26:35,800 --> 01:26:37,840
Speaker 1: Get back in there and at least try to get

1859
01:26:38,040 --> 01:26:40,679
Speaker 1: a couple of rows in so you could see Brandon. Jesus,

1860
01:26:40,680 --> 01:26:42,719
Speaker 1: it's gonna be tough. I take care of yourself.

1861
01:26:42,800 --> 01:26:43,000
Speaker 8: Title.

1862
01:26:43,000 --> 01:26:43,679
Speaker 1: We'll talk to you soon.

1863
01:26:44,520 --> 01:26:46,080
Speaker 13: Hey, you guys are the best. Thanks so much.

1864
01:26:46,200 --> 01:26:46,640
Speaker 2: I take care.

1865
01:26:47,200 --> 01:26:50,800
Speaker 1: Scott Grambling is joining us next, and initially we were

1866
01:26:50,800 --> 01:26:52,759
Speaker 1: hoping that we just simply be able to talk about

1867
01:26:53,000 --> 01:26:57,200
Speaker 1: coach Odds. But you know, we figured would at least

1868
01:26:57,200 --> 01:26:59,040
Speaker 1: ask him a little bit about that press conference if

1869
01:26:59,080 --> 01:27:03,080
Speaker 1: maybe at somehow filtered downstate. Scott Grambling, good morning, how

1870
01:27:03,120 --> 01:27:03,400
Speaker 1: are you.

1871
01:27:04,760 --> 01:27:05,559
Speaker 10: I'm doing well.

1872
01:27:05,600 --> 01:27:08,559
Speaker 3: I hope everybody up there is doing better than it seems,

1873
01:27:08,600 --> 01:27:11,639
Speaker 3: because boy, what a what a tough beat over the weekend.

1874
01:27:11,880 --> 01:27:13,719
Speaker 1: It was rough. It was it was all over the place.

1875
01:27:13,760 --> 01:27:15,920
Speaker 1: I mean from you know, the way that the game

1876
01:27:16,000 --> 01:27:19,240
Speaker 1: worked out, the jobbing by the refs, And I don't

1877
01:27:19,240 --> 01:27:21,240
Speaker 1: know if you've given any more deep thought into that,

1878
01:27:21,280 --> 01:27:24,160
Speaker 1: but that you know, we still the firing of Sean

1879
01:27:24,240 --> 01:27:26,519
Speaker 1: McDermott really sort of pulled the plug on how much

1880
01:27:26,520 --> 01:27:28,439
Speaker 1: we just wanted to scream about the refs all this

1881
01:27:28,520 --> 01:27:32,080
Speaker 1: week and how if, if nothing else, you can make

1882
01:27:32,120 --> 01:27:36,080
Speaker 1: that as a fifty to fifty proposition that yes, fifty percent,

1883
01:27:36,280 --> 01:27:38,080
Speaker 1: you can make the case that he caught it. Fifty

1884
01:27:38,080 --> 01:27:40,160
Speaker 1: percent you could say that was an interception. But we

1885
01:27:40,160 --> 01:27:42,640
Speaker 1: always thought ties went to the offense.

1886
01:27:42,760 --> 01:27:44,680
Speaker 2: In three of the last four cases we found it.

1887
01:27:44,760 --> 01:27:48,599
Speaker 2: Did you know it worked in the eye, It's worked

1888
01:27:48,600 --> 01:27:50,840
Speaker 2: against the Bills every time it happens, just like the

1889
01:27:50,920 --> 01:27:53,920
Speaker 2: pass interference calls or lack of pass interference calls.

1890
01:27:54,040 --> 01:27:55,680
Speaker 1: You know, like, oh, you're talking about all the all

1891
01:27:55,720 --> 01:27:57,839
Speaker 1: the plays that happened very similarly afterwards.

1892
01:27:57,840 --> 01:27:58,719
Speaker 8: Sure, I mean.

1893
01:27:58,640 --> 01:28:01,040
Speaker 2: Last last a year ago, you know, and against the Chiefs,

1894
01:28:01,040 --> 01:28:03,040
Speaker 2: the Cole Bishoplin, they gave it to the offense. We

1895
01:28:03,120 --> 01:28:06,639
Speaker 2: saw the next day, we saw DeVonta Adams, same situation.

1896
01:28:06,760 --> 01:28:09,160
Speaker 2: There was an Aaron Rodgers play earlier this year that

1897
01:28:09,520 --> 01:28:12,760
Speaker 2: was again going to the quarterback, all very pretty much

1898
01:28:12,760 --> 01:28:15,439
Speaker 2: the same situation. And they gave it to the offense

1899
01:28:15,479 --> 01:28:18,720
Speaker 2: except against us, and just the resident like I was saying,

1900
01:28:18,720 --> 01:28:21,400
Speaker 2: they didn't call past interference on Cooks getting molested in

1901
01:28:21,439 --> 01:28:23,640
Speaker 2: the end zone, but yet one of lesser, two of

1902
01:28:23,720 --> 01:28:25,960
Speaker 2: lesser called against the Bills.

1903
01:28:26,000 --> 01:28:27,800
Speaker 1: And it's a game, and it's a game of one play.

1904
01:28:27,840 --> 01:28:28,840
Speaker 1: You know, as much as you want to say, well,

1905
01:28:28,840 --> 01:28:30,760
Speaker 1: what shouldn't have come to that, but games come down

1906
01:28:30,840 --> 01:28:33,800
Speaker 1: to one play. So first the catch any thought, Scott,

1907
01:28:36,200 --> 01:28:37,560
Speaker 1: oh boy.

1908
01:28:37,280 --> 01:28:38,599
Speaker 8: Yeah, I'll tell you.

1909
01:28:38,800 --> 01:28:41,280
Speaker 14: Just the fact that they didn't review it sort of

1910
01:28:41,400 --> 01:28:45,240
Speaker 14: lending to believe they did not the day, meaning in

1911
01:28:45,240 --> 01:28:48,880
Speaker 14: the NFL did not want to get into a situation

1912
01:28:49,040 --> 01:28:53,200
Speaker 14: where the entire world has seen that from ten different angles,

1913
01:28:53,360 --> 01:28:54,559
Speaker 14: and look.

1914
01:28:54,479 --> 01:28:56,960
Speaker 3: It's close to a fifty to fifty it really is.

1915
01:28:58,600 --> 01:29:01,120
Speaker 3: It could go either way. I just think that the

1916
01:29:01,200 --> 01:29:04,440
Speaker 3: fact that in real time it was called an interception,

1917
01:29:05,840 --> 01:29:09,240
Speaker 3: they were not gonna show that from ten different slow

1918
01:29:09,280 --> 01:29:12,479
Speaker 3: mo frame by frame angles and overturn it got it

1919
01:29:12,479 --> 01:29:12,840
Speaker 3: all right.

1920
01:29:12,880 --> 01:29:15,160
Speaker 1: Second one, would you have would you have fired Sean

1921
01:29:15,240 --> 01:29:16,320
Speaker 1: McDermott as head coach?

1922
01:29:19,240 --> 01:29:24,320
Speaker 3: I would not have. I just think that, Well it's

1923
01:29:24,320 --> 01:29:28,080
Speaker 3: a tough question to answer because I would sort of

1924
01:29:28,120 --> 01:29:30,120
Speaker 3: and not to dodge it, but I would.

1925
01:29:29,960 --> 01:29:32,920
Speaker 11: Have a plan. So what's the plan? What's the plan

1926
01:29:32,960 --> 01:29:34,880
Speaker 11: from ownership? And I think what we saw out of

1927
01:29:34,920 --> 01:29:39,400
Speaker 11: the press conference yesterday me was quite disturbing. It would

1928
01:29:39,439 --> 01:29:40,280
Speaker 11: be disturbing as.

1929
01:29:40,120 --> 01:29:43,559
Speaker 3: A Bills fan. That is okay, this is an owner

1930
01:29:43,600 --> 01:29:46,759
Speaker 3: that does not have a plan. He's talking about walking

1931
01:29:46,800 --> 01:29:49,080
Speaker 3: in the locker room and seeing people crying and that

1932
01:29:49,160 --> 01:29:51,800
Speaker 3: made him decide he's going to fire the head coach.

1933
01:29:51,960 --> 01:29:55,719
Speaker 3: Now that's a very emotional way to make a decision.

1934
01:29:55,920 --> 01:29:58,960
Speaker 3: It's a non strategic way to make a decision. So

1935
01:29:59,479 --> 01:30:00,000
Speaker 3: they don't have.

1936
01:30:00,120 --> 01:30:03,439
Speaker 11: A plan, they don't have leadership at the top, and that,

1937
01:30:03,560 --> 01:30:07,679
Speaker 11: more than anything, is what separates these NFL teams.

1938
01:30:07,840 --> 01:30:09,120
Speaker 10: Is the teams that.

1939
01:30:09,040 --> 01:30:12,200
Speaker 3: Have the better ownership and have leadership and have a

1940
01:30:12,240 --> 01:30:15,840
Speaker 3: plan and can build a culture tend to succeed more

1941
01:30:15,920 --> 01:30:19,000
Speaker 3: than those that don't. And that became evident to me

1942
01:30:19,160 --> 01:30:23,479
Speaker 3: yesterday that the Bills don't have the leadership at the

1943
01:30:23,520 --> 01:30:29,000
Speaker 3: top that they need to be a serious contender as

1944
01:30:29,040 --> 01:30:33,400
Speaker 3: a franchise. They just they got lucky with Josh, and

1945
01:30:33,560 --> 01:30:38,320
Speaker 3: Josh keeps carrying them to this point and they just

1946
01:30:38,400 --> 01:30:40,519
Speaker 3: don't have the leadership to be able to get a pass.

1947
01:30:40,600 --> 01:30:43,360
Speaker 3: And part of not having that leadership is building a

1948
01:30:43,439 --> 01:30:47,880
Speaker 3: proper roster around that quarterback and having a plan, and

1949
01:30:48,400 --> 01:30:50,479
Speaker 3: you know, a plan that's going to get you through.

1950
01:30:50,479 --> 01:30:53,639
Speaker 3: And I know Terry liked to brag about the seeds

1951
01:30:53,640 --> 01:30:56,479
Speaker 3: that they've had in recent years. Well part of that

1952
01:30:56,600 --> 01:31:00,960
Speaker 3: is because the AFC East was so down and now

1953
01:31:01,120 --> 01:31:03,680
Speaker 3: it's not that way at least in New England. New

1954
01:31:03,680 --> 01:31:06,160
Speaker 3: England looks like they're going to be a competitor because

1955
01:31:06,280 --> 01:31:09,719
Speaker 3: they have their equivalent of Josh Allen. I'm not saying

1956
01:31:09,760 --> 01:31:12,000
Speaker 3: Drake May is as good as Josh Allen. If I

1957
01:31:12,080 --> 01:31:14,120
Speaker 3: had to have a quarterback win a game right now,

1958
01:31:14,160 --> 01:31:17,360
Speaker 3: I would take Josh Allen. But Drake May is ascending.

1959
01:31:17,640 --> 01:31:21,240
Speaker 11: And the bills now they've kind of been pushed back

1960
01:31:21,280 --> 01:31:24,040
Speaker 11: a little bit, and you have a you have an

1961
01:31:24,080 --> 01:31:26,160
Speaker 11: owner who just doesn't seem to have a plan.

1962
01:31:26,320 --> 01:31:27,400
Speaker 10: So in that.

1963
01:31:27,439 --> 01:31:31,120
Speaker 3: Regard, you know, when I fired McDermott, I wouldn't have

1964
01:31:31,160 --> 01:31:33,840
Speaker 3: done so without a plan. And it became clear yesterday

1965
01:31:34,120 --> 01:31:35,040
Speaker 3: that they don't have a plan.

1966
01:31:35,160 --> 01:31:36,600
Speaker 1: Yeah that's what I was thinking too, Like I was

1967
01:31:36,600 --> 01:31:38,240
Speaker 1: hoping that there with Terry was gonna come on, go.

1968
01:31:38,320 --> 01:31:41,120
Speaker 1: I have my consultants and we talked and we, you know,

1969
01:31:41,240 --> 01:31:43,719
Speaker 1: took a dive deep into this, and we've got stats

1970
01:31:43,720 --> 01:31:45,720
Speaker 1: and we've watched this defense and it's just not up

1971
01:31:45,760 --> 01:31:49,960
Speaker 1: to snuff. And if he did, he didn't verbalize it.

1972
01:31:50,000 --> 01:31:53,040
Speaker 1: And that's and that is troubling. That's that's bad. I

1973
01:31:53,080 --> 01:31:55,240
Speaker 1: wonder a little bit because I keep drawing parallels, and

1974
01:31:55,280 --> 01:31:57,640
Speaker 1: you watch the New England Patriots obsessively, and so I

1975
01:31:57,720 --> 01:32:00,760
Speaker 1: keep drawing parallels to the wide receive, for example, and

1976
01:32:00,840 --> 01:32:04,080
Speaker 1: Drake May is throwing to two sixth round picks. Yes,

1977
01:32:04,240 --> 01:32:06,479
Speaker 1: Stefan Diggs, but on the back end of Stefan Diggs,

1978
01:32:06,479 --> 01:32:10,280
Speaker 1: but two six round picks. And also Drake May made

1979
01:32:10,320 --> 01:32:12,400
Speaker 1: a ton of mistakes. There were a whole bunch of turnovers.

1980
01:32:12,720 --> 01:32:16,240
Speaker 1: And so does Terry Pagula look at the New England

1981
01:32:16,240 --> 01:32:18,240
Speaker 1: Patriots and go, they fired a coach and they got

1982
01:32:18,240 --> 01:32:22,080
Speaker 1: a better one, and now they're ascending. And any coach

1983
01:32:22,479 --> 01:32:24,479
Speaker 1: is going to have Josh Allen and that's going to

1984
01:32:24,560 --> 01:32:27,400
Speaker 1: be tough to screw up. So even a mediocre coach

1985
01:32:27,400 --> 01:32:30,120
Speaker 1: could at least shake things up in the room. Hold

1986
01:32:30,120 --> 01:32:32,519
Speaker 1: these guys accountable little bit more. I don't know, and

1987
01:32:32,560 --> 01:32:34,720
Speaker 1: so he's like, I'm rolling the dice, but I think

1988
01:32:34,760 --> 01:32:37,040
Speaker 1: I could do better than this coach, and if New

1989
01:32:37,040 --> 01:32:38,280
Speaker 1: England could do it, we could do it.

1990
01:32:38,320 --> 01:32:43,040
Speaker 10: Any thoughts, Yeah, I think it's just very shortsighted.

1991
01:32:43,320 --> 01:32:45,960
Speaker 3: I think that, you know, what we often see in

1992
01:32:46,000 --> 01:32:49,280
Speaker 3: the NFL is a lot of pendulum swings in the

1993
01:32:49,280 --> 01:32:51,880
Speaker 3: way the games play. Right, Mahomes comes into the game,

1994
01:32:52,720 --> 01:32:56,160
Speaker 3: into the league, and then you know he's a quarterback

1995
01:32:56,200 --> 01:32:59,599
Speaker 3: that can buy time and throw the ball deep. And

1996
01:32:59,760 --> 01:33:02,640
Speaker 3: I'm simplifying everything here, but what ends up happening is

1997
01:33:02,680 --> 01:33:05,640
Speaker 3: so a lot of teams start playing two deep safeties

1998
01:33:05,680 --> 01:33:07,599
Speaker 3: and it's like, we're not gonna We're not gonna get.

1999
01:33:07,479 --> 01:33:09,120
Speaker 11: Beat over the top. And that's something that the Bills

2000
01:33:09,120 --> 01:33:09,559
Speaker 11: have done.

2001
01:33:09,760 --> 01:33:10,040
Speaker 10: Now.

2002
01:33:10,600 --> 01:33:14,080
Speaker 3: What the Bills haven't done in complementing that is realizing

2003
01:33:14,240 --> 01:33:17,920
Speaker 3: what the league is going to now is more running

2004
01:33:17,920 --> 01:33:21,160
Speaker 3: the football with multiple backs and bigger backs. And the

2005
01:33:21,200 --> 01:33:25,240
Speaker 3: Bills still have a lot of smallish, fast, good and

2006
01:33:25,360 --> 01:33:30,519
Speaker 3: coverage linebackers, but they're very susceptible to teams that are

2007
01:33:30,600 --> 01:33:35,280
Speaker 3: running the football now. Sean Payton is so stubborn and hates.

2008
01:33:35,040 --> 01:33:35,839
Speaker 10: To run the football.

2009
01:33:35,920 --> 01:33:39,000
Speaker 3: He just loves to air it out that the Broncos

2010
01:33:39,000 --> 01:33:41,680
Speaker 3: didn't take advantage of that in the game, which surprised

2011
01:33:41,680 --> 01:33:43,519
Speaker 3: me until I remember it was Sean Payton who was

2012
01:33:43,560 --> 01:33:47,880
Speaker 3: coaching that team, and he just refused to run the football. So,

2013
01:33:48,640 --> 01:33:50,679
Speaker 3: you know, to kind of answer your question, I guess

2014
01:33:50,760 --> 01:33:53,200
Speaker 3: in a roundabout way, it kind of goes back while

2015
01:33:53,200 --> 01:33:56,559
Speaker 3: I was saying before, which is, well, who's the guy

2016
01:33:57,040 --> 01:34:00,439
Speaker 3: and what struck me yesterday with this being such an

2017
01:34:00,479 --> 01:34:04,439
Speaker 3: emotional decision. Yeah, I think it's it's Stable or Brady,

2018
01:34:04,800 --> 01:34:08,160
Speaker 3: because what Pagoula is trying to sell now is the

2019
01:34:08,240 --> 01:34:11,759
Speaker 3: fact that we're good enough. We just had this coach

2020
01:34:12,240 --> 01:34:15,280
Speaker 3: that wasn't able to get us over the top. So

2021
01:34:15,760 --> 01:34:18,160
Speaker 3: I think they're gonna go with somebody familiar, and those

2022
01:34:18,200 --> 01:34:21,639
Speaker 3: two guys are obviously very familiar in very similar ways,

2023
01:34:22,360 --> 01:34:24,040
Speaker 3: and that's the way they're gonna go.

2024
01:34:24,120 --> 01:34:26,799
Speaker 10: But to me, that is not that is not a plan.

2025
01:34:26,960 --> 01:34:30,479
Speaker 3: It just doesn't seem like anybody has really taken the

2026
01:34:30,520 --> 01:34:33,680
Speaker 3: time to say, oh, here's how the league has kind

2027
01:34:33,720 --> 01:34:36,960
Speaker 3: of changed in recent years. And you know mcdermot's guilty

2028
01:34:36,960 --> 01:34:40,240
Speaker 3: of that as well, where he has a he's a

2029
01:34:40,280 --> 01:34:42,760
Speaker 3: philosophy and part of that philosophy was.

2030
01:34:42,640 --> 01:34:44,160
Speaker 10: Born in Carolina, where.

2031
01:34:44,000 --> 01:34:45,960
Speaker 11: He had a lot of success as a defensive.

2032
01:34:45,520 --> 01:34:48,760
Speaker 3: Coordinator, which is when the league was changing. Let's have

2033
01:34:48,880 --> 01:34:51,719
Speaker 3: fast linebackers that can cover over the middle. And we've

2034
01:34:51,760 --> 01:34:54,200
Speaker 3: talked about it a lot during the season, how good

2035
01:34:54,200 --> 01:34:57,760
Speaker 3: the Bills were defending opposing tight ends. Well, that only

2036
01:34:57,760 --> 01:35:02,280
Speaker 3: gets you so far. And I think that quite frankly,

2037
01:35:02,439 --> 01:35:06,760
Speaker 3: the ownership in front office has been lazy in recent years,

2038
01:35:06,840 --> 01:35:10,360
Speaker 3: just relying on Josh Allen too much and one guy

2039
01:35:10,400 --> 01:35:12,960
Speaker 3: can only do so much, and they just have not

2040
01:35:13,160 --> 01:35:17,080
Speaker 3: built a roster that has a real culture and a

2041
01:35:18,800 --> 01:35:23,000
Speaker 3: real strategy behind it as being a championship winning roster.

2042
01:35:23,280 --> 01:35:25,720
Speaker 2: All good points. A quick question. You mentioned they don't

2043
01:35:25,760 --> 01:35:28,240
Speaker 2: appear to have a plan, But what if their plan

2044
01:35:28,840 --> 01:35:31,559
Speaker 2: was Brian Dable. Let's just say, I mean they can't

2045
01:35:31,600 --> 01:35:37,160
Speaker 2: really could they come out right now and say that,

2046
01:35:37,840 --> 01:35:39,120
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? I mean, maybe they do

2047
01:35:39,200 --> 01:35:40,880
Speaker 2: have a plan that they just can't say.

2048
01:35:42,320 --> 01:35:45,120
Speaker 3: Right. But it was tred it was it was really

2049
01:35:45,640 --> 01:35:50,000
Speaker 3: that was such a wonky at best interview with pagool yesterday,

2050
01:35:50,160 --> 01:35:54,800
Speaker 3: and they are yeah, exactly, I mean, if you're if

2051
01:35:54,800 --> 01:35:57,400
Speaker 3: you're a leader, there's a way to communicate it without

2052
01:35:57,400 --> 01:35:58,960
Speaker 3: communicating it specifically.

2053
01:36:00,040 --> 01:36:02,920
Speaker 2: A hold on Terry wants to interrupt, but I mean

2054
01:36:02,960 --> 01:36:05,360
Speaker 2: he can't say it. I mean he has awkward press

2055
01:36:05,360 --> 01:36:07,800
Speaker 2: conferences every time. He can't say we wanted to bring

2056
01:36:07,800 --> 01:36:09,880
Speaker 2: Brian Dable back, so that's why we fired him. I mean,

2057
01:36:09,880 --> 01:36:10,880
Speaker 2: I don't think he can say that.

2058
01:36:12,640 --> 01:36:16,040
Speaker 3: No, he can't say that specifically, but he can say, Look,

2059
01:36:16,200 --> 01:36:17,840
Speaker 3: you know, we we've talked about the philosophy of the

2060
01:36:17,840 --> 01:36:20,080
Speaker 3: team and one's can of take to move forward, and

2061
01:36:20,280 --> 01:36:23,120
Speaker 3: we have some candidates in mind, and we think we're

2062
01:36:23,160 --> 01:36:25,000
Speaker 3: going to be a better football team and a better

2063
01:36:25,080 --> 01:36:28,200
Speaker 3: organization moving forward with the change we make. I mean,

2064
01:36:28,400 --> 01:36:30,800
Speaker 3: come on to blame Kean Coleman on this.

2065
01:36:30,880 --> 01:36:31,679
Speaker 8: And I know we were.

2066
01:36:31,560 --> 01:36:33,720
Speaker 3: Talking before about the you know, the Patriots having these

2067
01:36:33,760 --> 01:36:38,519
Speaker 3: sixth round, seventh round receivers who are contributing, well, you know,

2068
01:36:38,680 --> 01:36:42,000
Speaker 3: at least they're getting these guys in the building and

2069
01:36:42,040 --> 01:36:45,040
Speaker 3: they're starting to coach them up. They're not going out

2070
01:36:45,120 --> 01:36:48,400
Speaker 3: and taking guys off the scrap heap. And I don't

2071
01:36:48,400 --> 01:36:50,920
Speaker 3: mean they disrespect your guy like Brandon Cooks. That's not

2072
01:36:50,960 --> 01:36:53,760
Speaker 3: how you build a championship winning team, is.

2073
01:36:53,920 --> 01:36:54,720
Speaker 2: Curtis Samuel j.

2074
01:36:57,240 --> 01:36:59,400
Speaker 3: Yeah. Or you know, and look at the Steelers going

2075
01:36:59,400 --> 01:37:02,040
Speaker 3: out and getting that this scantling and getting Adams feeling

2076
01:37:02,120 --> 01:37:05,080
Speaker 3: that stuff doesn't work. You don't get these guys. What

2077
01:37:05,160 --> 01:37:07,920
Speaker 3: you do is you get young players in the locker

2078
01:37:07,960 --> 01:37:10,679
Speaker 3: room and you start to you start to build them

2079
01:37:11,120 --> 01:37:14,439
Speaker 3: with a culture that you know they can ascend and

2080
01:37:14,479 --> 01:37:17,320
Speaker 3: become better players. And I know this, I don't mean

2081
01:37:17,360 --> 01:37:20,680
Speaker 3: this to be a dig pun sort of intended at

2082
01:37:20,680 --> 01:37:24,200
Speaker 3: the Bills fans, but Stefan Diggs, the influence he's had

2083
01:37:24,320 --> 01:37:27,200
Speaker 3: in New England on these younger receivers, say what you

2084
01:37:27,280 --> 01:37:30,000
Speaker 3: will about and I get it. He outstayed his welcome

2085
01:37:30,040 --> 01:37:32,439
Speaker 3: in Buffalo, but that has been the key.

2086
01:37:32,320 --> 01:37:34,040
Speaker 10: Piece of this Patriots team.

2087
01:37:34,120 --> 01:37:37,200
Speaker 3: He's really set an example for those guys to become

2088
01:37:37,760 --> 01:37:41,960
Speaker 3: real professionals. And that's really part of the transformation that

2089
01:37:41,960 --> 01:37:44,000
Speaker 3: has taken place this year in New England.

2090
01:37:44,000 --> 01:37:46,120
Speaker 2: Anw one thousand yard year for him as well.

2091
01:37:46,200 --> 01:37:47,800
Speaker 1: Yeah and so, and that's where you know, you've got

2092
01:37:47,840 --> 01:37:50,360
Speaker 1: to be able to coach crazy. Sometimes Rabel could and

2093
01:37:50,400 --> 01:37:53,280
Speaker 1: it seemed like Sean McDermott Compton. So yeah, that's right.

2094
01:37:53,479 --> 01:37:55,360
Speaker 2: Diggs gets crazy after about three seasons.

2095
01:37:55,600 --> 01:37:57,280
Speaker 1: So you think he's got one more year left. I

2096
01:37:57,280 --> 01:37:59,400
Speaker 1: don't know. He's kind of mature up at some point, Jesus.

2097
01:37:59,680 --> 01:38:01,960
Speaker 2: I mean I listened to his press conference yesterday, and

2098
01:38:02,040 --> 01:38:04,040
Speaker 2: I mean he sounded great in his press conference.

2099
01:38:04,120 --> 01:38:04,360
Speaker 5: Yeah.

2100
01:38:04,400 --> 01:38:06,800
Speaker 1: No, I mean, you know, you hope that the maturity continues.

2101
01:38:07,000 --> 01:38:07,280
Speaker 8: All right.

2102
01:38:07,320 --> 01:38:08,920
Speaker 1: So, Scott, the one thing that we did bring you

2103
01:38:08,960 --> 01:38:11,240
Speaker 1: on for this morning's scut grambling on and we'll talk

2104
01:38:11,240 --> 01:38:13,200
Speaker 1: more about the championship games tomorrow if you do have

2105
01:38:13,240 --> 01:38:16,080
Speaker 1: the time. But this is just for head coach. So

2106
01:38:16,240 --> 01:38:19,519
Speaker 1: for head coach today before the line changes, if we

2107
01:38:19,520 --> 01:38:22,719
Speaker 1: were gonna lay money down on maybe a shore fire

2108
01:38:22,760 --> 01:38:25,080
Speaker 1: bet and a long shot, what do you think have

2109
01:38:25,160 --> 01:38:26,720
Speaker 1: you thought about this? Who should we bet on?

2110
01:38:28,240 --> 01:38:31,680
Speaker 3: Yeah? I would bet on Joe Brady and I know

2111
01:38:31,800 --> 01:38:35,360
Speaker 3: Dable's the favorite. But I kind of feel like, and

2112
01:38:35,520 --> 01:38:38,320
Speaker 3: I didn't feel this way before the press conference, but

2113
01:38:38,360 --> 01:38:41,640
Speaker 3: after the press conference, I feel like the message that

2114
01:38:41,760 --> 01:38:44,599
Speaker 3: they want to send is no, no, no, no, we're good.

2115
01:38:44,640 --> 01:38:46,439
Speaker 3: Everything here is good. It was just the head coach.

2116
01:38:46,520 --> 01:38:49,640
Speaker 3: They really threw McDermott under the bus, and it was

2117
01:38:51,560 --> 01:38:55,360
Speaker 3: it was very unbecoming of ownership in that you know,

2118
01:38:55,400 --> 01:38:56,120
Speaker 3: they had every.

2119
01:38:59,479 --> 01:39:10,920
Speaker 2: Oh, you could see what Sorry sorry about that.

2120
01:39:07,080 --> 01:39:09,400
Speaker 3: But yeah, I would. I think it's gonna end up

2121
01:39:09,400 --> 01:39:12,559
Speaker 3: being Brady. I think they're gonna send the message that, uh,

2122
01:39:12,800 --> 01:39:16,360
Speaker 3: not everything in place is here. We've made every right decision.

2123
01:39:16,439 --> 01:39:18,479
Speaker 3: It was just McDermott was the problem.

2124
01:39:18,920 --> 01:39:19,639
Speaker 5: And uh.

2125
01:39:19,680 --> 01:39:22,920
Speaker 3: And that's that if if you're gonna look at a

2126
01:39:23,000 --> 01:39:26,880
Speaker 3: long shot and uh, boy, I am really doing it

2127
01:39:26,920 --> 01:39:33,200
Speaker 3: to myself here. Nathan Shielhas is the packing game coordinator

2128
01:39:33,720 --> 01:39:37,960
Speaker 3: with the Rams, and look, because the Rams are still alive,

2129
01:39:38,439 --> 01:39:41,280
Speaker 3: you're not hearing much. But if if the Rams put

2130
01:39:41,400 --> 01:39:45,840
Speaker 3: up a proper offensive game plan in Seattle, and I

2131
01:39:45,840 --> 01:39:47,879
Speaker 3: think they're going to we can talk about it more tomorrow.

2132
01:39:48,240 --> 01:39:52,640
Speaker 3: But after mcveigh's beating himself up over some of the

2133
01:39:52,800 --> 01:39:55,599
Speaker 3: crummy play calling and it was crummy against the against

2134
01:39:55,640 --> 01:39:58,360
Speaker 3: the Bears, boy, I think he's spending extra time in

2135
01:39:58,400 --> 01:40:01,720
Speaker 3: the lab this week and they have the potential to

2136
01:40:01,800 --> 01:40:05,320
Speaker 3: roll out the very impressive game plan and I think

2137
01:40:05,439 --> 01:40:09,960
Speaker 3: that would, uh, that would kind of boost shiel Haas's candidacy,

2138
01:40:10,280 --> 01:40:12,760
Speaker 3: and that's who I would. I don't think he's gonna

2139
01:40:12,760 --> 01:40:14,439
Speaker 3: get the job, but I think if you're looking for

2140
01:40:14,520 --> 01:40:18,679
Speaker 3: a long shot and uh, you know, somebody that's kind

2141
01:40:18,680 --> 01:40:21,040
Speaker 3: of off the radar, at least at this point. We

2142
01:40:21,200 --> 01:40:24,720
Speaker 3: have seen in the past teams end up making the

2143
01:40:24,760 --> 01:40:27,759
Speaker 3: Super Bowl, some of these assistants kind of start getting

2144
01:40:27,760 --> 01:40:29,439
Speaker 3: recognized more than before.

2145
01:40:30,760 --> 01:40:32,960
Speaker 2: I mean, that's another guy that's name has been popping

2146
01:40:33,040 --> 01:40:34,000
Speaker 2: up a lot.

2147
01:40:36,200 --> 01:40:39,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's uh, he's a candidate. He's not one that

2148
01:40:39,200 --> 01:40:41,479
Speaker 3: that I would bet on. I mean, I I think

2149
01:40:41,520 --> 01:40:43,880
Speaker 3: he has a better shot than Shield has to get it.

2150
01:40:44,320 --> 01:40:48,120
Speaker 3: But I don't know. I I kind of don't feel

2151
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Speaker 3: like Kubiak is necessarily the kind of fit. Again, I

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01:40:53,880 --> 01:40:55,640
Speaker 3: did read a lot into that press conference, but I

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01:40:55,640 --> 01:40:56,080
Speaker 3: think there.

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01:40:55,920 --> 01:40:56,719
Speaker 10: Was a lot there.

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01:40:57,640 --> 01:40:59,800
Speaker 3: I don't think they want to necessarily bring in a

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01:40:59,840 --> 01:41:03,559
Speaker 3: guy guy who has his own philosophy. I think they

2157
01:41:03,640 --> 01:41:06,880
Speaker 3: want to really have that philosophy come from the top.

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01:41:06,960 --> 01:41:08,799
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, just the fact that the owners

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01:41:08,880 --> 01:41:11,400
Speaker 3: at the press conference that that shouldn't happen. You just

2160
01:41:11,800 --> 01:41:15,280
Speaker 3: promoted this guy to the president of operations, Like, why

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01:41:15,280 --> 01:41:17,479
Speaker 3: do you need to be sitting there and interrupting him

2162
01:41:17,880 --> 01:41:20,439
Speaker 3: throughout the way. So I think Kubiak is too much

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01:41:20,439 --> 01:41:23,320
Speaker 3: of an outsider. Now the thing shieldhas obviously is also

2164
01:41:23,400 --> 01:41:26,599
Speaker 3: an outsider, but I think there's a potential that they

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01:41:26,640 --> 01:41:31,280
Speaker 3: would view him as being young and mouldible and would

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01:41:31,560 --> 01:41:34,920
Speaker 3: would listen to these complete geniuses that they have in

2167
01:41:34,960 --> 01:41:38,640
Speaker 3: the ownership group and the president of football Operations or

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01:41:38,640 --> 01:41:42,240
Speaker 3: whatever the heck that that title is. I kind of

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01:41:42,240 --> 01:41:45,880
Speaker 3: think that they want somebody who's more their guy, and

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01:41:46,040 --> 01:41:49,320
Speaker 3: I feel like Kubiak would bring in, you know, too

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01:41:49,360 --> 01:41:55,720
Speaker 3: much other experience into the building, which most owners would

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01:41:55,800 --> 01:41:57,519
Speaker 3: be good. But when you have a lack of owners,

2173
01:41:57,920 --> 01:42:00,840
Speaker 3: lack of leadership among your front end office, I could

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01:42:00,880 --> 01:42:03,000
Speaker 3: see them not going in that direction.

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01:42:02,800 --> 01:42:04,000
Speaker 10: For that reason. You know you're wrong.

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01:42:04,200 --> 01:42:08,160
Speaker 2: You said you said something there that I didn't really

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01:42:08,200 --> 01:42:10,280
Speaker 2: think about too much until I heard you just actually

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01:42:10,320 --> 01:42:13,800
Speaker 2: say it. Most owners don't do press conferences. I mean

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01:42:13,840 --> 01:42:16,960
Speaker 2: when owners speak at press conferences, it usually leads to

2180
01:42:17,000 --> 01:42:19,840
Speaker 2: stuff like this. It usually leads to bad quotes.

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01:42:20,120 --> 01:42:22,559
Speaker 1: I mean, I won't make They don't let Jerry. They

2182
01:42:22,560 --> 01:42:24,679
Speaker 1: don't let Jerry. Jerry wants to be does.

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01:42:24,800 --> 01:42:26,439
Speaker 2: He does a radio show every week, He puts his

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01:42:26,439 --> 01:42:28,599
Speaker 2: foot in his mouth every week. But most owners don't.

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01:42:28,840 --> 01:42:30,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know that's the reason.

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01:42:30,560 --> 01:42:32,760
Speaker 3: Yes, And that's that's that's the reason we're going on

2187
01:42:32,840 --> 01:42:35,559
Speaker 3: a generation and a half of the Cowboys not winning

2188
01:42:35,680 --> 01:42:40,519
Speaker 3: anything even remotely meaningful. But yeah, that's that's exactly it.

2189
01:42:40,600 --> 01:42:42,160
Speaker 10: These owners, it's.

2190
01:42:42,000 --> 01:42:42,839
Speaker 11: Gotten out of control.

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01:42:42,920 --> 01:42:45,800
Speaker 3: It is by far the worst ownership group in the

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01:42:45,840 --> 01:42:48,600
Speaker 3: history of the league because you have a lot of

2193
01:42:48,640 --> 01:42:51,080
Speaker 3: owners that you don't have like the Rooney's and these

2194
01:42:51,120 --> 01:42:55,880
Speaker 3: guys that came up families running organizations. You have people

2195
01:42:55,960 --> 01:42:58,439
Speaker 3: that ran other businesses and they think they can run

2196
01:42:58,479 --> 01:43:01,040
Speaker 3: their football team the way they run these other business

2197
01:43:01,920 --> 01:43:06,880
Speaker 3: and in some cases they're not even doing it that way.

2198
01:43:06,920 --> 01:43:09,560
Speaker 3: They're getting more involved than they were in their other businesses,

2199
01:43:09,600 --> 01:43:14,320
Speaker 3: but they can't help themselves. The ego is way too high.

2200
01:43:14,360 --> 01:43:17,559
Speaker 3: And you also have the issue these days of if

2201
01:43:17,600 --> 01:43:21,080
Speaker 3: you're losing franchise, you still make money. And that's not

2202
01:43:21,240 --> 01:43:23,120
Speaker 3: the way it used to be. It used to be

2203
01:43:23,439 --> 01:43:25,960
Speaker 3: back in the seventies. If you were a perpetual loser,

2204
01:43:26,160 --> 01:43:29,599
Speaker 3: people weren't coming into the seats, your game was blacked

2205
01:43:29,600 --> 01:43:32,160
Speaker 3: out in the local market, nobody was following it.

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01:43:32,200 --> 01:43:33,240
Speaker 10: That's not the way it is now.

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01:43:33,320 --> 01:43:36,800
Speaker 3: So there's kind of in their mind. I know they

2208
01:43:36,800 --> 01:43:39,000
Speaker 3: don't think about it consciously this way, but I think

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01:43:39,040 --> 01:43:43,639
Speaker 3: subconsciously it's I'm the man. I've got the biggest ego

2210
01:43:43,720 --> 01:43:46,519
Speaker 3: here in the building, and I need to get front

2211
01:43:46,520 --> 01:43:49,520
Speaker 3: and center because I'm the star here. It's my franchise,

2212
01:43:49,920 --> 01:43:52,680
Speaker 3: and if it goes right, I'm gonna take credit for it.

2213
01:43:52,680 --> 01:43:54,400
Speaker 3: If it goes wrong, I got people to throw under

2214
01:43:54,400 --> 01:43:56,960
Speaker 3: the bus, and in this case it was McDermott.

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01:43:57,000 --> 01:43:59,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's really interesting, Scott Gramling. By the way, this

2216
01:43:59,240 --> 01:44:01,240
Speaker 1: is why we bring them score Grambling on. Throw your

2217
01:44:01,240 --> 01:44:03,639
Speaker 1: money down maybe on day Ball as a favorite or

2218
01:44:03,840 --> 01:44:08,320
Speaker 1: Joe Brady, but Nathan Shielhouse, past game coordinator for the

2219
01:44:08,479 --> 01:44:11,400
Speaker 1: LA on that one. That's a plus one thousand man

2220
01:44:11,400 --> 01:44:15,160
Speaker 1: ten bucks can make me a millionaire. Nice job, Nice job, Scott. Hey,

2221
01:44:15,160 --> 01:44:16,800
Speaker 1: we'll talk to you tomorrow about the championship games.

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01:44:16,840 --> 01:44:19,599
Speaker 3: Okay, it sounds great, guys, have a good night.

2223
01:44:19,600 --> 01:44:22,599
Speaker 1: Thanks that nice Next up, longtime friend of the show,

2224
01:44:22,600 --> 01:44:25,759
Speaker 1: Sal Maya Runna from the Rochester DNC Rochester Democrat and Chronicle.

2225
01:44:25,800 --> 01:44:30,040
Speaker 1: Good morning, Sal, Hey, how you doing right bad? We

2226
01:44:30,080 --> 01:44:33,040
Speaker 1: want to play the question heard around the world. So

2227
01:44:33,120 --> 01:44:35,360
Speaker 1: there's Sal He's just getting ready to ask a question.

2228
01:44:35,360 --> 01:44:37,800
Speaker 1: I think it was about roster construction more than anything else.

2229
01:44:38,360 --> 01:44:40,280
Speaker 1: And and then this happened.

2230
01:44:40,360 --> 01:44:47,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I interrupt, I'll address the Keon situation. Uh,

2231
01:44:49,360 --> 01:44:54,880
Speaker 4: the coaching staff pushed to draft Kon. I'm not saying

2232
01:44:55,000 --> 01:44:59,439
Speaker 4: Brandon wouldn't have drafted him, but he wasn't his next choice.

2233
01:45:00,400 --> 01:45:02,520
Speaker 8: That was Brandon.

2234
01:45:02,200 --> 01:45:06,360
Speaker 4: Being a team player and taking advice of his coaching

2235
01:45:06,400 --> 01:45:11,519
Speaker 4: staff who felt strongly about the player.

2236
01:45:11,960 --> 01:45:14,920
Speaker 1: And by the way, since we've played this now, every

2237
01:45:14,960 --> 01:45:16,760
Speaker 1: time that we do play it, it seems like it

2238
01:45:16,880 --> 01:45:21,400
Speaker 1: absolutely needs this song to play in the background as

2239
01:45:21,439 --> 01:45:28,519
Speaker 1: Brandon Bean is dying a slow, miserable death. Oh, Sol,

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Speaker 1: when you asked the question and you started hearing the answer,

2241
01:45:31,800 --> 01:45:33,280
Speaker 1: what was going on in your mind? What were you

2242
01:45:33,320 --> 01:45:33,840
Speaker 1: thinking about?

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01:45:34,840 --> 01:45:38,280
Speaker 8: Yeah, that was really a surprise. The biggest surprise was

2244
01:45:38,280 --> 01:45:41,519
Speaker 8: that Pagoula even answered any questions, but then for him

2245
01:45:41,520 --> 01:45:44,920
Speaker 8: to interrupt Brandon Bean to answer questions really at us

2246
01:45:44,960 --> 01:45:48,360
Speaker 8: all kind of like blown away. Look my question, and

2247
01:45:48,439 --> 01:45:50,200
Speaker 8: I got some heat for it, like I was trying

2248
01:45:50,200 --> 01:45:52,479
Speaker 8: to get a gotcha answered. That was not the case

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01:45:52,960 --> 01:45:56,800
Speaker 8: at all. I wanted to know from Brandon Bean how

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01:45:56,840 --> 01:45:59,240
Speaker 8: he was going to fix the fact that, as I said,

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01:45:59,640 --> 01:46:02,800
Speaker 8: he has failed in free agency and with the draft

2252
01:46:02,840 --> 01:46:05,200
Speaker 8: pick of Kean Coleman, that was the question. He has

2253
01:46:05,240 --> 01:46:09,120
Speaker 8: failed to give Josh Allen the weapons he needs, especially

2254
01:46:09,160 --> 01:46:12,519
Speaker 8: at wide receiver. And just as he's ready to answer

2255
01:46:12,600 --> 01:46:14,920
Speaker 8: that question, which I did get an answer for him

2256
01:46:15,280 --> 01:46:19,320
Speaker 8: later after Bagua spotted off, Terry jumped in and I

2257
01:46:19,400 --> 01:46:23,280
Speaker 8: don't have any idea why he would have offered that information,

2258
01:46:23,920 --> 01:46:27,240
Speaker 8: like why he would have said that the Coleman pick

2259
01:46:27,479 --> 01:46:31,040
Speaker 8: wasn't Brandon Beans the coaching staff push pushed for it.

2260
01:46:31,479 --> 01:46:34,679
Speaker 8: That is a bizarre thing to say from the owner,

2261
01:46:34,800 --> 01:46:37,160
Speaker 8: especially with a guy who's still on the team, that

2262
01:46:37,200 --> 01:46:38,640
Speaker 8: they have to figure out what they're going to do

2263
01:46:38,680 --> 01:46:42,360
Speaker 8: with it was really crazy. And then later being properly

2264
01:46:42,439 --> 01:46:44,680
Speaker 8: owned up to the fact that, yeah, well I'm the

2265
01:46:44,720 --> 01:46:47,960
Speaker 8: one who made the pick. Remember guys, they went to

2266
01:46:48,040 --> 01:46:50,559
Speaker 8: bed that night after the first round had ended, They

2267
01:46:50,560 --> 01:46:53,360
Speaker 8: had traded back twice to get they had to ended

2268
01:46:53,400 --> 01:46:55,479
Speaker 8: up with the first pick of the second round. They

2269
01:46:55,520 --> 01:46:58,840
Speaker 8: went to bed figuring they were going to pick Keon Coleman.

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01:46:58,880 --> 01:47:01,400
Speaker 8: They had decided that what they were gonna do, so

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01:47:02,000 --> 01:47:03,960
Speaker 8: I don't you know, they could have changed their mind

2272
01:47:04,040 --> 01:47:06,439
Speaker 8: all day on that Friday, and they never did. And

2273
01:47:06,560 --> 01:47:09,800
Speaker 8: being made the pick, what was talking about there?

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01:47:09,880 --> 01:47:12,360
Speaker 1: It's interesting. I keep thinking, when I watched Terry and

2275
01:47:12,560 --> 01:47:14,519
Speaker 1: he really doesn't need to do more press conferences. But

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01:47:14,560 --> 01:47:18,719
Speaker 1: when I watched Terry, probably not. He has strong dat energy.

2277
01:47:18,880 --> 01:47:21,880
Speaker 1: But then also there's there's a little bit about him,

2278
01:47:22,560 --> 01:47:25,559
Speaker 1: I think, being pissed off at Sean McDermott for something.

2279
01:47:26,160 --> 01:47:28,519
Speaker 1: And I know it's been reported that there's this meeting

2280
01:47:28,560 --> 01:47:30,879
Speaker 1: that they had a couple of weeks ago about roster construction,

2281
01:47:31,120 --> 01:47:33,400
Speaker 1: and if it came out from Vic Carucci, I would

2282
01:47:33,400 --> 01:47:35,599
Speaker 1: assume that you would think this too. That Carucci has

2283
01:47:35,640 --> 01:47:38,920
Speaker 1: good sources, he's not a clown, he's not making stuff up,

2284
01:47:38,960 --> 01:47:41,040
Speaker 1: So if it came from him, that there's got to

2285
01:47:41,080 --> 01:47:43,479
Speaker 1: be some sort of smoke, if fire, and that there

2286
01:47:43,520 --> 01:47:45,760
Speaker 1: was a meeting and that at one point Sean McDermott

2287
01:47:45,760 --> 01:47:47,920
Speaker 1: was talking about roster construction. He didn't think this was

2288
01:47:47,960 --> 01:47:50,800
Speaker 1: a talented enough team. And it's like he said something

2289
01:47:50,880 --> 01:47:54,840
Speaker 1: that pissed Terry off. Because Terry doesn't seem like, oh,

2290
01:47:54,880 --> 01:47:56,760
Speaker 1: he's a good coach, but he just didn't go get

2291
01:47:56,800 --> 01:48:01,880
Speaker 1: us over the hump. Terry seems pissed, angry. There's something

2292
01:48:02,000 --> 01:48:04,880
Speaker 1: different about the way he talks about Sean McDermott threw

2293
01:48:04,960 --> 01:48:06,680
Speaker 1: him under the bus a couple of times, went out

2294
01:48:06,680 --> 01:48:07,840
Speaker 1: of his way to throw him under the bus a

2295
01:48:07,880 --> 01:48:10,280
Speaker 1: couple of times. And then also that word that he

2296
01:48:10,360 --> 01:48:13,120
Speaker 1: used in the press conference, admirable.

2297
01:48:12,800 --> 01:48:15,360
Speaker 2: That was in a statement, Oh, admirable.

2298
01:48:15,800 --> 01:48:19,519
Speaker 1: Admirable. Admirable is when you took a driver's test two

2299
01:48:19,600 --> 01:48:22,240
Speaker 1: or three times and you failed, and it's like, it's admirable.

2300
01:48:22,320 --> 01:48:25,280
Speaker 1: You gave it a shot. Admirable is a terrible word.

2301
01:48:26,880 --> 01:48:28,080
Speaker 1: Does that ring a bell with you at all?

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01:48:28,200 --> 01:48:28,400
Speaker 8: Is that?

2303
01:48:28,439 --> 01:48:29,960
Speaker 1: Am I going down the right road?

2304
01:48:31,240 --> 01:48:33,720
Speaker 8: Yeah? Look, I have been very so I was very

2305
01:48:33,760 --> 01:48:38,559
Speaker 8: surprised yesterday at the lack of recognition for what Sean

2306
01:48:38,640 --> 01:48:41,599
Speaker 8: McDermott acomplished her. I mean, they both made their opening

2307
01:48:41,640 --> 01:48:44,479
Speaker 8: statement and thanked him for, you know, thanked him for

2308
01:48:44,680 --> 01:48:46,519
Speaker 8: you know, what he did, but there was like nothing

2309
01:48:46,560 --> 01:48:48,919
Speaker 8: else beyond that, And it did feel like at times

2310
01:48:49,120 --> 01:48:52,320
Speaker 8: but Goolah was throwing McDermott under the bus. I was

2311
01:48:52,320 --> 01:48:55,559
Speaker 8: shocked by that because this guy pulled this team out

2312
01:48:55,600 --> 01:48:58,240
Speaker 8: of the gutter. And you know, first of all, I

2313
01:48:58,240 --> 01:49:00,240
Speaker 8: didn't think he deserved to be fired. I think it's

2314
01:49:00,280 --> 01:49:03,840
Speaker 8: a bad move, but just to really not recognize what

2315
01:49:03,920 --> 01:49:07,240
Speaker 8: he did was a big oversight I think for both men.

2316
01:49:07,520 --> 01:49:10,480
Speaker 8: I mean, Bean did a little bit more than Pegula

2317
01:49:10,560 --> 01:49:13,240
Speaker 8: for sure. Look, I can tell you this right now.

2318
01:49:13,760 --> 01:49:17,360
Speaker 8: Vic Kruschi is one of my best friends in the business.

2319
01:49:17,400 --> 01:49:20,799
Speaker 8: We've worked together for almost forty years covering that team.

2320
01:49:21,600 --> 01:49:24,320
Speaker 8: If he's got it, he's got it. And believe me,

2321
01:49:24,600 --> 01:49:27,839
Speaker 8: Vic usually always gets it. He is as well sourced

2322
01:49:28,120 --> 01:49:31,000
Speaker 8: as any reporter that I've ever known, So I have

2323
01:49:31,080 --> 01:49:33,559
Speaker 8: no doubt that if he got that there was a

2324
01:49:33,600 --> 01:49:36,800
Speaker 8: meeting five weeks ago and that went down. I guarantee

2325
01:49:36,800 --> 01:49:39,479
Speaker 8: you that happened, and Pegoula was just covering his ask

2326
01:49:39,560 --> 01:49:42,679
Speaker 8: yesterday and lied about it. Mick's not gonna lie about

2327
01:49:42,760 --> 01:49:46,760
Speaker 8: something like that. And quite frankly, it was clear, especially

2328
01:49:46,760 --> 01:49:49,600
Speaker 8: in the second half of this season, that McDermott and

2329
01:49:49,680 --> 01:49:53,800
Speaker 8: Bean had their relationship and eroded. You could just listen

2330
01:49:53,880 --> 01:49:56,200
Speaker 8: to what Sean was saying in press conferences and you

2331
01:49:56,479 --> 01:49:59,519
Speaker 8: guys know all this the Darius Slave fiasco. He was

2332
01:49:59,640 --> 01:50:03,360
Speaker 8: very point about that about avoiding that topic, the wide

2333
01:50:03,439 --> 01:50:07,840
Speaker 8: receiver situation. There were subtle hints all along the way

2334
01:50:08,160 --> 01:50:10,559
Speaker 8: that you could tell there was something quite not right. Now,

2335
01:50:10,600 --> 01:50:12,479
Speaker 8: did I think it was gonna end? Up with one

2336
01:50:12,520 --> 01:50:15,559
Speaker 8: of them getting fired. No, but it was there, and

2337
01:50:15,640 --> 01:50:18,479
Speaker 8: you know, Bean can say there was nothing wrong, the

2338
01:50:18,520 --> 01:50:22,679
Speaker 8: relationship didn't dissolve. I don't believe that either for a minute.

2339
01:50:23,160 --> 01:50:26,440
Speaker 1: So the question is what did what did Sean McDermott

2340
01:50:26,479 --> 01:50:30,080
Speaker 1: say or is it maybe it's an accumulative effect where

2341
01:50:30,320 --> 01:50:32,840
Speaker 1: you know it's just been ongoing and it's just it's

2342
01:50:32,880 --> 01:50:36,519
Speaker 1: like he's been rubbing Terry Bacolda the wrong way press

2343
01:50:36,560 --> 01:50:39,760
Speaker 1: conference and finally he's like, screw this guy, I've had

2344
01:50:39,880 --> 01:50:42,360
Speaker 1: enough of this. And then he sees Josh Allen crying

2345
01:50:42,680 --> 01:50:44,720
Speaker 1: and it all just comes together and he's like, that's it.

2346
01:50:45,000 --> 01:50:48,280
Speaker 1: You know, I could quite frankly, I think if we

2347
01:50:48,280 --> 01:50:50,280
Speaker 1: were serious, we could take a group of all of

2348
01:50:50,360 --> 01:50:53,519
Speaker 1: us and coach this team to at least five hundred

2349
01:50:53,560 --> 01:50:55,080
Speaker 1: with Josh Allen as our quarterback.

2350
01:50:55,320 --> 01:50:58,479
Speaker 2: So you just need somebody getting that next year with right,

2351
01:50:59,080 --> 01:51:01,200
Speaker 2: You just need someone with a little more.

2352
01:51:01,280 --> 01:51:03,960
Speaker 1: Now, do you have a gut feeling of who might

2353
01:51:04,000 --> 01:51:06,639
Speaker 1: be or do you have an opinion about who might

2354
01:51:06,680 --> 01:51:09,559
Speaker 1: be a good coach to come in and not screw

2355
01:51:09,560 --> 01:51:10,240
Speaker 1: it up too much?

2356
01:51:12,200 --> 01:51:15,040
Speaker 8: You know, guys, one day morning when I woke up

2357
01:51:15,080 --> 01:51:18,160
Speaker 8: and went to Dunkin Donuts for my coffee. I had

2358
01:51:18,240 --> 01:51:21,240
Speaker 8: no indication that Sean McDermott was going to get fired

2359
01:51:21,280 --> 01:51:23,559
Speaker 8: a half hour later. It shocked me. I did not

2360
01:51:23,720 --> 01:51:26,760
Speaker 8: expect it. So I have been you know, sometimes you

2361
01:51:26,880 --> 01:51:29,280
Speaker 8: know your coach is gonna get fired and you start

2362
01:51:29,320 --> 01:51:33,240
Speaker 8: thinking ahead, Okay, who's a good candidate? Dude? I have

2363
01:51:33,400 --> 01:51:36,000
Speaker 8: no idea because I never thought I would have to

2364
01:51:36,000 --> 01:51:39,240
Speaker 8: be researching who are the good candidates to take this job.

2365
01:51:39,280 --> 01:51:41,320
Speaker 8: So I really don't know, and I don't know what

2366
01:51:41,400 --> 01:51:45,120
Speaker 8: they're thinking. Obviously, I don't have any clue. But you know,

2367
01:51:45,240 --> 01:51:47,920
Speaker 8: I can tell you that Brady already interviewed, is going

2368
01:51:47,960 --> 01:51:51,639
Speaker 8: to get a serious consideration. I would expect Stable today

2369
01:51:52,240 --> 01:51:55,719
Speaker 8: is going to get serious consideration. But I also would

2370
01:51:55,720 --> 01:51:58,240
Speaker 8: hope that they're gonna wait for some of these guys

2371
01:51:58,280 --> 01:52:01,360
Speaker 8: that are in these championship games this weekend to be

2372
01:52:01,439 --> 01:52:05,200
Speaker 8: available to interview and not just go quickly to the

2373
01:52:05,200 --> 01:52:08,120
Speaker 8: best candidate who's available right now, because I think there

2374
01:52:08,200 --> 01:52:11,280
Speaker 8: probably are some guys that they could talk to, you know,

2375
01:52:11,320 --> 01:52:14,000
Speaker 8: once they're available to talk to make this a true,

2376
01:52:14,040 --> 01:52:17,719
Speaker 8: as Brandon Bean said, a true one percent open search.

2377
01:52:17,720 --> 01:52:19,840
Speaker 8: I don't know who the guy is, I really don't

2378
01:52:19,880 --> 01:52:22,240
Speaker 8: have an opinion that I can share right now because

2379
01:52:22,240 --> 01:52:23,519
Speaker 8: I'm just not prepared quickly.

2380
01:52:23,560 --> 01:52:25,960
Speaker 1: Well, by the way, so what's your donative choice? What's

2381
01:52:26,000 --> 01:52:26,840
Speaker 1: your donative choice?

2382
01:52:27,200 --> 01:52:30,599
Speaker 8: Duncan Well, no, no, no, no donuts. I can't be

2383
01:52:30,600 --> 01:52:31,720
Speaker 8: having at age.

2384
01:52:31,840 --> 01:52:33,720
Speaker 2: I want to go back to Kean Coleman, all right,

2385
01:52:34,000 --> 01:52:36,360
Speaker 2: to the Count's I had two parts of this. So,

2386
01:52:36,560 --> 01:52:39,400
Speaker 2: first off, he said that the coaching staff want He

2387
01:52:39,439 --> 01:52:42,519
Speaker 2: didn't throw. He didn't say McDermott specifically. I would think

2388
01:52:42,520 --> 01:52:45,200
Speaker 2: that offense would have a little bit more influence on

2389
01:52:45,240 --> 01:52:47,920
Speaker 2: some of that than the defensive head coach. So wh

2390
01:52:48,320 --> 01:52:50,679
Speaker 2: who's our offensive cordnator Ken Dorsey at that time? Was

2391
01:52:50,680 --> 01:52:53,200
Speaker 2: was Dorsey one? Kean Coleman. And the second part of

2392
01:52:53,240 --> 01:52:55,880
Speaker 2: this is, if you're keyon Coleman and you're hearing all this,

2393
01:52:56,040 --> 01:52:57,880
Speaker 2: what is your thought about You're going back to this

2394
01:52:57,960 --> 01:52:58,720
Speaker 2: team next year?

2395
01:52:59,720 --> 01:53:01,479
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's what I said. He's still on the team.

2396
01:53:01,520 --> 01:53:03,920
Speaker 8: And for Pagoula to say what he said that was

2397
01:53:04,040 --> 01:53:07,080
Speaker 8: that was a pretty bold statement. It also leaves me

2398
01:53:07,120 --> 01:53:08,559
Speaker 8: to believe that they might just want to move on

2399
01:53:08,640 --> 01:53:11,960
Speaker 8: from him, you know, try to find someone who would

2400
01:53:12,000 --> 01:53:14,439
Speaker 8: take them off off their hands for maybe a seventh

2401
01:53:14,520 --> 01:53:17,200
Speaker 8: round pick or or whatever. You know, you could cut

2402
01:53:17,240 --> 01:53:20,800
Speaker 8: them to if the salary cap hit really isn't that bad.

2403
01:53:20,920 --> 01:53:23,920
Speaker 8: But yeah, I can't see quite how they move on

2404
01:53:24,000 --> 01:53:26,639
Speaker 8: with ke On Coleman. You know, maybe the new coach

2405
01:53:26,680 --> 01:53:29,360
Speaker 8: who comes in is an offensive guy and he looks

2406
01:53:29,400 --> 01:53:32,559
Speaker 8: at Coleman's body and says, I could do something with this.

2407
01:53:32,680 --> 01:53:34,880
Speaker 8: But hey, we've seen two years of it and it

2408
01:53:34,920 --> 01:53:37,559
Speaker 8: hasn't work with that guy. So you know, I think

2409
01:53:37,560 --> 01:53:38,920
Speaker 8: he might be moved off the roster.

2410
01:53:39,320 --> 01:53:40,880
Speaker 1: You or that, you know, like you said that, they

2411
01:53:40,880 --> 01:53:43,000
Speaker 1: find a way to do it for Keyon. Look, put

2412
01:53:43,040 --> 01:53:45,240
Speaker 1: your head down and use this his motivation to get

2413
01:53:45,280 --> 01:53:48,200
Speaker 1: a huge free agency contract when this thing ends, Like,

2414
01:53:48,240 --> 01:53:49,400
Speaker 1: I'll show you, guys, I guess.

2415
01:53:49,280 --> 01:53:52,360
Speaker 2: We'll know if Sean mcdoye.

2416
01:53:51,160 --> 01:53:53,160
Speaker 1: I just had that childishness in my head, but I'd

2417
01:53:53,160 --> 01:53:54,640
Speaker 1: be like, I'll show you you you know what.

2418
01:53:54,800 --> 01:53:57,080
Speaker 8: So you know what, guys, that was that was the

2419
01:53:57,120 --> 01:53:59,720
Speaker 8: storyline last year, right, I mean, he came back from

2420
01:53:59,720 --> 01:54:02,080
Speaker 8: the end and did not play well at all, and

2421
01:54:02,200 --> 01:54:05,519
Speaker 8: both being in McDermott and their season ending press conference

2422
01:54:05,600 --> 01:54:08,760
Speaker 8: made that point like they were disappointed. So that was

2423
01:54:08,800 --> 01:54:11,160
Speaker 8: supposed to be the fuel that was going to get

2424
01:54:11,160 --> 01:54:13,840
Speaker 8: this guy's asked in gear to get it done. And

2425
01:54:13,920 --> 01:54:16,640
Speaker 8: by all accounts, I always laugh when I hear this, Oh,

2426
01:54:16,680 --> 01:54:18,559
Speaker 8: we had a great off season. Well no, he didn't

2427
01:54:18,600 --> 01:54:20,800
Speaker 8: catch any passes in the off season though, but they

2428
01:54:20,840 --> 01:54:23,680
Speaker 8: all said for those two guys said, he had a

2429
01:54:23,720 --> 01:54:26,559
Speaker 8: great offseason, a great training camp, and then he you know,

2430
01:54:26,640 --> 01:54:29,400
Speaker 8: then he had that great first game against Baltimore that

2431
01:54:29,560 --> 01:54:32,040
Speaker 8: was supposed to be the moment right that he had

2432
01:54:32,240 --> 01:54:34,960
Speaker 8: gotten it all figured out. That was the motivation and

2433
01:54:35,040 --> 01:54:37,680
Speaker 8: that off season comment that they made, and then what happened.

2434
01:54:37,720 --> 01:54:41,640
Speaker 8: He completely hit the skids, did nothing. So no, now

2435
01:54:41,680 --> 01:54:43,640
Speaker 8: we're going to give him a second chance to go

2436
01:54:43,680 --> 01:54:46,600
Speaker 8: into an off season with new motivation. I don't know

2437
01:54:46,600 --> 01:54:48,240
Speaker 8: if that's the idea that I wouldn't want to be

2438
01:54:48,640 --> 01:54:49,320
Speaker 8: putting forth.

2439
01:54:49,640 --> 01:54:51,720
Speaker 1: Last one is the big piece of the puzzle. This

2440
01:54:51,840 --> 01:54:55,400
Speaker 1: is Josh Allen and whether he was consulted, it sounds

2441
01:54:55,440 --> 01:54:58,560
Speaker 1: like he wasn't. And if that's the case, how does

2442
01:54:58,600 --> 01:55:00,760
Speaker 1: he feel about all this moving forward? I don't know

2443
01:55:00,800 --> 01:55:02,840
Speaker 1: how much because I know that they had a tough

2444
01:55:03,160 --> 01:55:06,080
Speaker 1: it seemed anyway, like you know, the reports were that

2445
01:55:06,120 --> 01:55:09,040
Speaker 1: it was a little bit of a tough relationship early on,

2446
01:55:09,720 --> 01:55:12,600
Speaker 1: maybe he didn't warm to him or otherwise.

2447
01:55:12,080 --> 01:55:13,680
Speaker 2: A lot of guys said they'd walk through a wall

2448
01:55:13,720 --> 01:55:14,200
Speaker 2: for that guy.

2449
01:55:14,320 --> 01:55:17,080
Speaker 1: No, No, I'm talking about Josh Allen and Sean McDermott

2450
01:55:17,160 --> 01:55:19,600
Speaker 1: in the in the beginning. In the beginning, they seemed

2451
01:55:19,600 --> 01:55:21,960
Speaker 1: like it was a little but they've they've gotten better.

2452
01:55:22,000 --> 01:55:23,600
Speaker 1: I mean, he had him at the wedding and such. So,

2453
01:55:23,920 --> 01:55:28,000
Speaker 1: but I just wonder if if Josh Allen the statement

2454
01:55:28,040 --> 01:55:29,560
Speaker 1: that he put out a little while ago saying that

2455
01:55:29,560 --> 01:55:32,520
Speaker 1: he's all aboard and everything like that, if you buy that,

2456
01:55:33,480 --> 01:55:35,520
Speaker 1: or if he even felt blindsided about the whole thing.

2457
01:55:36,800 --> 01:55:39,200
Speaker 8: I you know, I kind of think that he didn't

2458
01:55:39,240 --> 01:55:42,480
Speaker 8: expect McDermott to get fired. And you know, look, guys,

2459
01:55:42,560 --> 01:55:44,680
Speaker 8: I'm not over there every day. I'm not in the

2460
01:55:44,760 --> 01:55:47,960
Speaker 8: meetings and all that stuff where we would really see

2461
01:55:47,960 --> 01:55:51,000
Speaker 8: them interacting together. But I never got a sense that

2462
01:55:51,080 --> 01:55:53,920
Speaker 8: there was ever a problem between McDermott and Allen. I

2463
01:55:54,040 --> 01:55:55,960
Speaker 8: just I just didn't I didn't see that. I think

2464
01:55:56,040 --> 01:55:59,440
Speaker 8: Josh really respected him as a coach and what he

2465
01:55:59,480 --> 01:56:01,000
Speaker 8: was able to do with that team and how we

2466
01:56:01,080 --> 01:56:04,000
Speaker 8: operated that team you know, Allen has always been part

2467
01:56:04,040 --> 01:56:06,560
Speaker 8: of well, at least since I guess maybe his third year.

2468
01:56:06,800 --> 01:56:09,560
Speaker 8: He's always been a part of Sean's leadership group. He

2469
01:56:09,640 --> 01:56:13,000
Speaker 8: picked certain players every year to get the get the

2470
01:56:13,040 --> 01:56:16,360
Speaker 8: pulse of the locker room. They meet regularly, and Josh

2471
01:56:16,440 --> 01:56:18,680
Speaker 8: was always a part of that. So I don't buy

2472
01:56:18,760 --> 01:56:21,400
Speaker 8: this that there was some there was some tension between

2473
01:56:21,800 --> 01:56:24,040
Speaker 8: Alan and McDermott. I think I think Alan was as

2474
01:56:24,040 --> 01:56:28,080
Speaker 8: blindsided as anybody Sunday morning when or Monday morning when

2475
01:56:28,080 --> 01:56:30,240
Speaker 8: this happened. And I don't think that he wanted Sean

2476
01:56:30,720 --> 01:56:32,960
Speaker 8: to get fired. I don't think that at all. Now

2477
01:56:33,120 --> 01:56:35,480
Speaker 8: he's going to be a good soldier moving forward here

2478
01:56:36,000 --> 01:56:38,960
Speaker 8: and say, you know, thanks for your thanks for everything, Sean,

2479
01:56:39,480 --> 01:56:41,000
Speaker 8: and now it's time to move on, and he'll be

2480
01:56:41,120 --> 01:56:43,880
Speaker 8: he'll work perfectly fine with the next guy. But no,

2481
01:56:44,040 --> 01:56:46,080
Speaker 8: I didn't get the sense there was a problem between

2482
01:56:46,080 --> 01:56:46,520
Speaker 8: those two.

2483
01:56:46,720 --> 01:56:49,720
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, so from this point forward, you know,

2484
01:56:49,760 --> 01:56:51,600
Speaker 1: we've got to think about who the next uh, who

2485
01:56:51,640 --> 01:56:53,680
Speaker 1: the next coach is, and then you're gonna have to race,

2486
01:56:54,040 --> 01:56:56,480
Speaker 1: you know, that full hour on the ninety down a

2487
01:56:56,480 --> 01:56:57,879
Speaker 1: buffalo to get to that press.

2488
01:56:57,640 --> 01:56:59,040
Speaker 2: About two hours today with the snow.

2489
01:56:59,160 --> 01:57:00,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's gonna take. But I mean when they get

2490
01:57:00,920 --> 01:57:02,680
Speaker 1: a I mean, we have to think that there's going

2491
01:57:02,720 --> 01:57:05,360
Speaker 1: to be a coach hired in the next two weeks, right,

2492
01:57:05,400 --> 01:57:06,680
Speaker 1: you don't want to go beyond that, do.

2493
01:57:06,600 --> 01:57:09,360
Speaker 8: You well, I mean it depends. I mean, if it's

2494
01:57:09,400 --> 01:57:11,240
Speaker 8: a Super Bowl coach, it's going to be you know,

2495
01:57:11,280 --> 01:57:13,520
Speaker 8: almost three weeks before they're able to talk to him.

2496
01:57:14,200 --> 01:57:14,400
Speaker 10: Yeah.

2497
01:57:14,400 --> 01:57:16,280
Speaker 8: I mean you know I've heard like people talking about

2498
01:57:16,320 --> 01:57:19,000
Speaker 8: who they should be rooting for this weekend because it

2499
01:57:19,040 --> 01:57:21,720
Speaker 8: would free up like if Seattle were to lose. Okay,

2500
01:57:21,800 --> 01:57:24,760
Speaker 8: I mean there's you know, Quinn Coopiek's clearly a guy

2501
01:57:24,800 --> 01:57:26,160
Speaker 8: that I think they're going to want to talk to.

2502
01:57:27,480 --> 01:57:29,840
Speaker 8: Or do you want the Rams to lose? And now

2503
01:57:29,840 --> 01:57:31,760
Speaker 8: you get a quicker look at that. They have a

2504
01:57:31,760 --> 01:57:35,880
Speaker 8: passing game coordinator, I forget his name, christ Ula is

2505
01:57:35,920 --> 01:57:38,560
Speaker 8: the defensive coordinator. I mean, they've got guys on that staff, right,

2506
01:57:38,760 --> 01:57:42,800
Speaker 8: Davis web has been a name Denver's quarterbacks coach. Maybe

2507
01:57:42,800 --> 01:57:45,400
Speaker 8: you want them to lose, God, that means the Patriots

2508
01:57:45,400 --> 01:57:47,879
Speaker 8: would win. We don't want the Patriots to win anything,

2509
01:57:48,320 --> 01:57:50,760
Speaker 8: but that would free up Davis Webb. This weekend or

2510
01:57:50,760 --> 01:57:52,840
Speaker 8: after this weekend to get to be talked there. So

2511
01:57:53,440 --> 01:57:55,760
Speaker 8: you know, but look, they need to be prepared that

2512
01:57:56,120 --> 01:57:57,400
Speaker 8: two of these teams are going to go to the

2513
01:57:57,400 --> 01:57:59,680
Speaker 8: super Bowl, and if they have coaches they want, we're

2514
01:57:59,680 --> 01:58:02,400
Speaker 8: gonna have to wait. They can't just jump and you know,

2515
01:58:02,480 --> 01:58:05,640
Speaker 8: get impatient and pick the guy that maybe they don't

2516
01:58:05,640 --> 01:58:07,920
Speaker 8: want ahead of one of those guys because it takes

2517
01:58:07,920 --> 01:58:09,120
Speaker 8: too long to get to him.

2518
01:58:09,080 --> 01:58:10,720
Speaker 2: Right, because I think Anthony Lynn is still going to

2519
01:58:10,800 --> 01:58:11,120
Speaker 2: be there.

2520
01:58:12,720 --> 01:58:15,280
Speaker 8: Anthony Lynn is gonna be there. Yeah, I would be

2521
01:58:15,440 --> 01:58:18,040
Speaker 8: very surprised if Anthony Lynn is the head coach of

2522
01:58:18,080 --> 01:58:19,880
Speaker 8: the Bills. But you know they bought him in for

2523
01:58:19,920 --> 01:58:20,360
Speaker 8: an interview.

2524
01:58:20,440 --> 01:58:22,880
Speaker 1: Fine, all right, so listen, Sal, you got to get

2525
01:58:22,880 --> 01:58:25,040
Speaker 1: down to the press conference nonetheless, because you need to

2526
01:58:25,080 --> 01:58:28,440
Speaker 1: ask that question that flips out Terry and uh tells

2527
01:58:28,480 --> 01:58:32,240
Speaker 1: us little bit interrupt, No, Terry, you can interrupt.

2528
01:58:32,640 --> 01:58:32,840
Speaker 8: Sal.

2529
01:58:33,720 --> 01:58:35,760
Speaker 1: Nice work. We'll talk to you soon. Sal Mayarna from

2530
01:58:35,760 --> 01:58:37,600
Speaker 1: the Rochester DNC. You take care of yourself.

2531
01:58:37,920 --> 01:58:38,800
Speaker 8: Guys, thanks for having me.

2532
01:58:38,960 --> 01:58:40,960
Speaker 1: Well, let's get to head coaching for a moment. So

2533
01:58:41,400 --> 01:58:43,840
Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills are bringing people in and they've got

2534
01:58:43,840 --> 01:58:45,520
Speaker 1: their list posted. You know, you can check it out

2535
01:58:45,560 --> 01:58:48,000
Speaker 1: either the NFL website of the Buffalo Bill's website to

2536
01:58:48,040 --> 01:58:51,440
Speaker 1: see who they've requested to talk to. But Sports Illustrated

2537
01:58:51,520 --> 01:58:55,360
Speaker 1: also by way of Albert Breer from the NFL, and

2538
01:58:56,480 --> 01:58:59,920
Speaker 1: you know, he he's been hearing things that Mike mcdani

2539
01:59:00,280 --> 01:59:02,600
Speaker 1: might join the list of candidates for the Buffalo Bills,

2540
01:59:02,920 --> 01:59:04,680
Speaker 1: you know, in part because yeah, it'd be great to

2541
01:59:04,680 --> 01:59:07,280
Speaker 1: work for Justin Herbert, but it also might be amazing

2542
01:59:07,760 --> 01:59:10,240
Speaker 1: to be the guy who's working with Josh Allen. So

2543
01:59:11,080 --> 01:59:13,200
Speaker 1: I don't know, it just seems like that keeps popping

2544
01:59:13,280 --> 01:59:16,280
Speaker 1: up more and more. There's been nothing official about McDaniel

2545
01:59:16,360 --> 01:59:19,040
Speaker 1: as of yet, but Daboll's got to be on the list.

2546
01:59:19,320 --> 01:59:21,960
Speaker 1: If we've talked to enough people, they've said this might

2547
01:59:21,960 --> 01:59:24,680
Speaker 1: be an inside job that the Buffalo Bills will promote

2548
01:59:24,760 --> 01:59:28,920
Speaker 1: somehow from what within, and so offensive coordinator gets moved up.

2549
01:59:29,840 --> 01:59:32,400
Speaker 1: Brian Dabele, who recently worked with the Buffalo Bills, would

2550
01:59:32,400 --> 01:59:34,480
Speaker 1: be brought back again. And so we wanted to find

2551
01:59:34,480 --> 01:59:37,360
Speaker 1: out whether or not Brian Daboll, especially because he's an

2552
01:59:37,360 --> 01:59:40,160
Speaker 1: intriguing one sort of looked at as the Josh whisper.

2553
01:59:40,440 --> 01:59:43,200
Speaker 1: Could this guy come back and reclaim some sort of

2554
01:59:43,600 --> 01:59:47,680
Speaker 1: reputation in the NFL. Paul Schwartz, he is the beat

2555
01:59:47,680 --> 01:59:49,720
Speaker 1: writer for the New York Giants for the New York Post,

2556
01:59:50,000 --> 01:59:51,680
Speaker 1: And we wanted to bring Paul on for a couple

2557
01:59:51,680 --> 01:59:53,000
Speaker 1: of moments and just sort of pick his brain a

2558
01:59:53,040 --> 01:59:54,920
Speaker 1: little bit and go, hey, da Ball, did he really

2559
01:59:54,920 --> 01:59:58,080
Speaker 1: screw up? Or is this an intriguing possibilities.

2560
01:59:57,480 --> 01:59:58,760
Speaker 2: Paul Ready, Yes he is.

2561
01:59:59,120 --> 02:00:01,000
Speaker 1: Paul, Thanks for coming on the show. How are you.

2562
02:00:01,880 --> 02:00:02,320
Speaker 8: I'm good.

2563
02:00:02,400 --> 02:00:02,800
Speaker 3: I'm good.

2564
02:00:02,800 --> 02:00:04,360
Speaker 8: Busy times up there in Buffalo?

2565
02:00:04,600 --> 02:00:07,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, insane? And so here's the thing. I guess

2566
02:00:07,760 --> 02:00:10,600
Speaker 1: we could step back for one brief moment. Do you

2567
02:00:10,680 --> 02:00:13,320
Speaker 1: think our owners a lunatic? Or does he? Do you

2568
02:00:13,320 --> 02:00:15,760
Speaker 1: think there's some smarts to this?

2569
02:00:16,880 --> 02:00:21,040
Speaker 15: You know what, I really don't. You know, multi billionaire

2570
02:00:21,120 --> 02:00:24,640
Speaker 15: people do things different than other people, you know. And

2571
02:00:24,720 --> 02:00:27,800
Speaker 15: here's what I would say. There's something wrong with an

2572
02:00:27,840 --> 02:00:32,640
Speaker 15: industry where thirty percent of the members of that industry

2573
02:00:32,680 --> 02:00:37,760
Speaker 15: are looking for new leadership. Right, So it's not just Buffalo,

2574
02:00:37,840 --> 02:00:40,920
Speaker 15: I mean the Ravens. Did we think that John Harball

2575
02:00:40,960 --> 02:00:44,200
Speaker 15: would get fired? These teams cycle? Look, it's easy with

2576
02:00:44,240 --> 02:00:47,200
Speaker 15: the Giants, right, they won three games. Last year they

2577
02:00:47,240 --> 02:00:50,040
Speaker 15: won four games. This year they fired Brian Gable ten

2578
02:00:50,080 --> 02:00:52,720
Speaker 15: games into the season. That's easy, you know what I mean,

2579
02:00:52,800 --> 02:00:55,560
Speaker 15: bad record. Somebody has to take the fall. It's the

2580
02:00:55,600 --> 02:00:59,800
Speaker 15: head coach. But you know, these billionaires the standards of

2581
02:00:59,800 --> 02:01:01,880
Speaker 15: the with the Giants, they want someone to bring them

2582
02:01:01,880 --> 02:01:04,760
Speaker 15: back to credibility. With the Bills, they want someone to

2583
02:01:05,000 --> 02:01:07,600
Speaker 15: lead Josh Allen to the super Bowl. So you know,

2584
02:01:07,720 --> 02:01:09,800
Speaker 15: eight playoffs and what is it eight playoffs in nine

2585
02:01:09,840 --> 02:01:11,120
Speaker 15: years there under Durham?

2586
02:01:11,160 --> 02:01:11,640
Speaker 8: Was that it? Ye?

2587
02:01:11,960 --> 02:01:15,840
Speaker 15: Yeah, that's pretty darn good. But yeah, I look, the

2588
02:01:15,880 --> 02:01:16,960
Speaker 15: press comments.

2589
02:01:16,600 --> 02:01:17,760
Speaker 9: Was bizarre, you know what I mean?

2590
02:01:17,800 --> 02:01:21,280
Speaker 15: And that was bizarre, and that's why a lot of

2591
02:01:21,320 --> 02:01:23,520
Speaker 15: teams protect the owners and don't have them talk to

2592
02:01:23,560 --> 02:01:26,080
Speaker 15: the media that much because of things like that.

2593
02:01:26,360 --> 02:01:26,600
Speaker 8: Yeah.

2594
02:01:27,240 --> 02:01:29,440
Speaker 1: Interesting point, And this is the second comment we've heard

2595
02:01:29,480 --> 02:01:31,920
Speaker 1: about people that are like, man, this billionaire's club, they

2596
02:01:32,800 --> 02:01:35,680
Speaker 1: operate on a different level, and this can't be healthy.

2597
02:01:35,760 --> 02:01:38,800
Speaker 1: Another point was made that at one time these guys

2598
02:01:38,840 --> 02:01:41,880
Speaker 1: had to worry about ticket sales, and because of the

2599
02:01:41,920 --> 02:01:44,600
Speaker 1: TV revenue, they don't have to worry about that.

2600
02:01:44,640 --> 02:01:46,000
Speaker 2: There's no blackouts anymore.

2601
02:01:46,080 --> 02:01:49,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, so they have to worry about necessarily that type

2602
02:01:49,040 --> 02:01:49,560
Speaker 1: of product.

2603
02:01:50,400 --> 02:01:52,760
Speaker 15: Do they have to worry about selling one seat in

2604
02:01:52,840 --> 02:01:55,840
Speaker 15: that new stadium that's coming. Look, standards are high, and

2605
02:01:55,880 --> 02:02:00,320
Speaker 15: Buffalo standards are higher than most teams, most franchises because

2606
02:02:00,360 --> 02:02:03,000
Speaker 15: of that success. I mean, his record in the regular

2607
02:02:03,040 --> 02:02:05,040
Speaker 15: season is outrageous, you know what I mean?

2608
02:02:05,080 --> 02:02:06,440
Speaker 8: But you know, I don't know.

2609
02:02:06,520 --> 02:02:09,240
Speaker 15: Did I read somewhere that Josh Allen crying after the

2610
02:02:09,280 --> 02:02:11,320
Speaker 15: game really resonated.

2611
02:02:10,800 --> 02:02:13,680
Speaker 8: With the owner and that's one of the reasons that.

2612
02:02:13,280 --> 02:02:17,320
Speaker 15: That that, you know, I mean, Look, Josh Allen's not

2613
02:02:17,320 --> 02:02:19,640
Speaker 15: going to be fired, and the owner is the owner,

2614
02:02:19,680 --> 02:02:22,000
Speaker 15: so no one fires the owner. So they're going to

2615
02:02:22,080 --> 02:02:24,440
Speaker 15: find some you know, maybe, you know what, maybe it'll

2616
02:02:24,480 --> 02:02:26,200
Speaker 15: be a good thing. Maybe he'll get someone in there

2617
02:02:26,240 --> 02:02:28,600
Speaker 15: to get him over the hump, because they clearly have

2618
02:02:28,680 --> 02:02:30,400
Speaker 15: been a hard time getting over that hump.

2619
02:02:30,600 --> 02:02:32,840
Speaker 8: It's just that that hump is quite high. He set

2620
02:02:32,920 --> 02:02:33,840
Speaker 8: quite a high bar there.

2621
02:02:33,880 --> 02:02:35,680
Speaker 1: I wonder what would have happened if, say, instead of

2622
02:02:35,720 --> 02:02:37,880
Speaker 1: Josh Allen crying, he would have grabbed a cigarette like

2623
02:02:37,960 --> 02:02:40,360
Speaker 1: Lynn Dawson back in the day and just lit up.

2624
02:02:41,040 --> 02:02:42,000
Speaker 2: That wouldn't have been good either.

2625
02:02:42,080 --> 02:02:45,760
Speaker 15: So fresca and a fresca, I think that was a

2626
02:02:46,280 --> 02:02:48,120
Speaker 15: right and a cigarette and a fresca.

2627
02:02:48,160 --> 02:02:49,680
Speaker 8: I think he had a fresco on the floor there.

2628
02:02:49,760 --> 02:02:51,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it. Maybe it would have been different alcohol

2629
02:02:51,600 --> 02:02:51,920
Speaker 1: and Paul.

2630
02:02:51,960 --> 02:02:53,040
Speaker 2: You know, one of the things we're looking at is

2631
02:02:53,040 --> 02:02:54,480
Speaker 2: who's going to be that head coach to try and

2632
02:02:54,480 --> 02:02:56,280
Speaker 2: get us over there. And one name to keep popping

2633
02:02:56,320 --> 02:02:58,600
Speaker 2: up is Brian Daball. Now we know Brian Dable. He's

2634
02:02:58,600 --> 02:03:00,680
Speaker 2: a Western New York native and he was here's our

2635
02:03:00,680 --> 02:03:03,080
Speaker 2: offensive coordinator. But he left. He did the head coaching

2636
02:03:03,120 --> 02:03:04,760
Speaker 2: job obviously there with the New York Giants where he

2637
02:03:04,760 --> 02:03:07,680
Speaker 2: got fired as you mentioned earlier. But we want to

2638
02:03:07,680 --> 02:03:09,600
Speaker 2: pick your brain a little bit about whether you think

2639
02:03:09,800 --> 02:03:12,200
Speaker 2: he's a guy that still has enough that he could

2640
02:03:12,280 --> 02:03:16,120
Speaker 2: fit into this program to help us with that next push.

2641
02:03:16,360 --> 02:03:19,440
Speaker 15: That would be a really fascinating hire because you know,

2642
02:03:19,520 --> 02:03:21,840
Speaker 15: usually you bring in someone from outside the building and

2643
02:03:21,880 --> 02:03:23,800
Speaker 15: then you know he was inside the building.

2644
02:03:23,800 --> 02:03:25,120
Speaker 8: I mean, the only reason he.

2645
02:03:25,120 --> 02:03:27,600
Speaker 15: Was the Giants head coach is because of what he

2646
02:03:27,640 --> 02:03:31,200
Speaker 15: did in Buffalo, right with Josh Allen and with that offense.

2647
02:03:31,560 --> 02:03:33,560
Speaker 15: That was the reason he had bounced around all over

2648
02:03:33,600 --> 02:03:36,520
Speaker 15: the place. You know, he had been offensive coordinator and

2649
02:03:36,520 --> 02:03:40,160
Speaker 15: an offensive coach for years and years. He got what

2650
02:03:40,320 --> 02:03:43,600
Speaker 15: four years in Buffalo. They built that program together. Joe

2651
02:03:43,600 --> 02:03:47,080
Speaker 15: Shane is the general manager and Brian Dable was the

2652
02:03:47,120 --> 02:03:49,760
Speaker 15: head coach. Because of what they did with the Buffalo Bills,

2653
02:03:51,320 --> 02:03:54,440
Speaker 15: it'll be fascinating. I mean, obviously he loves Josh Allen.

2654
02:03:54,480 --> 02:03:56,480
Speaker 15: You know, he always talked about Josh Allen. You know,

2655
02:03:56,800 --> 02:03:59,280
Speaker 15: Daniel Jones could never beat Josh Allen. You know, he

2656
02:03:59,400 --> 02:04:02,320
Speaker 15: just was not the same personality, not the same caliber

2657
02:04:02,320 --> 02:04:05,080
Speaker 15: of player. You know, it just wasn't going to work.

2658
02:04:05,160 --> 02:04:07,760
Speaker 15: And you could see this year when Brian Dabel got

2659
02:04:07,840 --> 02:04:11,360
Speaker 15: Jackson Dart, he saw a little bit of that Jackson,

2660
02:04:11,480 --> 02:04:12,920
Speaker 15: of that Josh.

2661
02:04:12,640 --> 02:04:14,200
Speaker 8: Allen in him.

2662
02:04:14,240 --> 02:04:17,040
Speaker 15: Not the physical stature, maybe not that rocket arm, but

2663
02:04:17,400 --> 02:04:20,080
Speaker 15: some of that competitiveness, some of that fire and spirit

2664
02:04:20,360 --> 02:04:22,280
Speaker 15: that Daboll loves. I mean, that's what he is. You

2665
02:04:22,280 --> 02:04:27,320
Speaker 15: guys know Dabel, He's a fiery spirited Western New York.

2666
02:04:27,480 --> 02:04:30,120
Speaker 15: He's not a flashy guy. He's a grunt and a.

2667
02:04:30,040 --> 02:04:32,560
Speaker 8: Grinder who worked his way up to be a head coach.

2668
02:04:33,880 --> 02:04:37,440
Speaker 15: The interesting thing is is he would he go to

2669
02:04:37,480 --> 02:04:40,920
Speaker 15: Buffalo to be you know, to get Josh Allen over

2670
02:04:40,920 --> 02:04:43,120
Speaker 15: the hump. That's not the key is to get.

2671
02:04:42,920 --> 02:04:44,040
Speaker 8: The team over the hump.

2672
02:04:44,080 --> 02:04:47,880
Speaker 15: And look, if if you had a better defensive coordinator

2673
02:04:47,920 --> 02:04:49,760
Speaker 15: with the Giants, he'd still be the head coach. It

2674
02:04:49,800 --> 02:04:52,680
Speaker 15: would be a really interesting hire. Just I'm not sure

2675
02:04:52,800 --> 02:04:55,960
Speaker 15: it's the right mix right now, but I have good

2676
02:04:55,960 --> 02:04:58,040
Speaker 15: feelings for Brian Dabel.

2677
02:04:57,880 --> 02:04:59,960
Speaker 8: That he could be a good head coach at a next.

2678
02:05:00,600 --> 02:05:03,200
Speaker 1: That's interesting because you know, part of it is because

2679
02:05:03,200 --> 02:05:05,480
Speaker 1: we're enough removed from it. It was like, oh, he

2680
02:05:05,520 --> 02:05:07,320
Speaker 1: went to New York and it was a disaster and

2681
02:05:07,400 --> 02:05:09,640
Speaker 1: he was a disaster, and you know what he was doing. Well,

2682
02:05:09,640 --> 02:05:12,320
Speaker 1: you're saying is now, if he had a defensive coordinator,

2683
02:05:12,800 --> 02:05:14,880
Speaker 1: he would be you know, he'd still be the head coach.

2684
02:05:15,160 --> 02:05:17,640
Speaker 1: So there's something there. In other words, he could be

2685
02:05:17,680 --> 02:05:18,640
Speaker 1: a good head coach.

2686
02:05:19,760 --> 02:05:21,960
Speaker 15: Yeah, I think the phrase people say is there's a

2687
02:05:22,000 --> 02:05:24,920
Speaker 15: good head coach in him, you know what I mean. Look,

2688
02:05:25,160 --> 02:05:28,280
Speaker 15: after one year he was the NFL Coach of the Year.

2689
02:05:28,320 --> 02:05:30,120
Speaker 15: They went nine to seven to one, and they won

2690
02:05:30,160 --> 02:05:31,080
Speaker 15: a playoff game.

2691
02:05:31,120 --> 02:05:31,800
Speaker 8: You know, they hadn't won a.

2692
02:05:31,800 --> 02:05:36,360
Speaker 15: Playoff game since twenty eleven when they won the Super Bowl.

2693
02:05:36,400 --> 02:05:38,280
Speaker 15: So he won a playoff game in his first year.

2694
02:05:38,400 --> 02:05:40,560
Speaker 15: It's really amazing when you think of that. I remember

2695
02:05:41,120 --> 02:05:43,480
Speaker 15: the NFL Honors when he won the award and he

2696
02:05:43,560 --> 02:05:45,840
Speaker 15: came down and we was talking to us, and he

2697
02:05:45,880 --> 02:05:49,120
Speaker 15: was so proud, you know, and it was like, Okay,

2698
02:05:49,320 --> 02:05:51,520
Speaker 15: if you told me he's not going to make it

2699
02:05:51,560 --> 02:05:53,760
Speaker 15: through the next three years of his contract, and they'd

2700
02:05:53,800 --> 02:05:55,680
Speaker 15: be like, well, what the heck is he going to

2701
02:05:55,840 --> 02:05:58,600
Speaker 15: pull at a Stanza and take the Lombardi trophies out and.

2702
02:05:58,840 --> 02:06:01,160
Speaker 8: Go on to the back of his car and drive around, right,

2703
02:06:02,560 --> 02:06:02,880
Speaker 8: you know.

2704
02:06:02,840 --> 02:06:06,880
Speaker 15: The six wins no good? Then three wins. Look, you know,

2705
02:06:07,320 --> 02:06:11,000
Speaker 15: why did Mike Tomlin struggle with in Pittsburgh Because after

2706
02:06:11,040 --> 02:06:13,320
Speaker 15: Ben Roethlisberger he couldn't find a quarterback?

2707
02:06:13,400 --> 02:06:17,480
Speaker 8: Right. Why did Brian Dables struggle in New York? Well,

2708
02:06:17,920 --> 02:06:18,680
Speaker 8: Daniel Jones.

2709
02:06:18,760 --> 02:06:22,880
Speaker 15: They they he kind of cajoled a good season out

2710
02:06:22,920 --> 02:06:25,360
Speaker 15: of Daniel Jones and they paid him eighty million bucks

2711
02:06:25,400 --> 02:06:27,640
Speaker 15: for two years and then he wasn't good. Then he

2712
02:06:27,680 --> 02:06:30,240
Speaker 15: got hurt. So not having a quarterback as an issue.

2713
02:06:30,240 --> 02:06:33,360
Speaker 15: Now this year, the big problem was he got Jackson

2714
02:06:33,400 --> 02:06:35,680
Speaker 15: Dart and he started him in Week four and he

2715
02:06:35,760 --> 02:06:38,240
Speaker 15: was pretty good and then he was, you know, better

2716
02:06:38,280 --> 02:06:40,920
Speaker 15: than pretty good. But he had a defense that blew

2717
02:06:41,040 --> 02:06:44,520
Speaker 15: five fourth quarter leads and you know that was no good.

2718
02:06:44,640 --> 02:06:47,640
Speaker 15: So look, they figured John Harbaugh is gonna put together

2719
02:06:47,680 --> 02:06:50,280
Speaker 15: a great staff. Now, my question to you is if

2720
02:06:50,320 --> 02:06:54,240
Speaker 15: they get if the Bills hire Brian Dable, will he

2721
02:06:54,400 --> 02:06:54,960
Speaker 15: be able to.

2722
02:06:54,920 --> 02:06:56,720
Speaker 8: Put together a great staff.

2723
02:06:57,600 --> 02:06:59,760
Speaker 15: His staff with the Giants was pretty good, and then

2724
02:06:59,800 --> 02:07:02,360
Speaker 15: he had a disagreement with Wink Martindale and the next

2725
02:07:02,400 --> 02:07:05,800
Speaker 15: defensive coordinator he hired, Shane Bowen, just did not get

2726
02:07:05,840 --> 02:07:07,680
Speaker 15: the job done, and like I said, led to all

2727
02:07:07,720 --> 02:07:11,200
Speaker 15: those losses and led to Brian Dabele losing his job.

2728
02:07:11,320 --> 02:07:13,880
Speaker 15: So it's not just a head coach Brian Dable that

2729
02:07:13,960 --> 02:07:15,760
Speaker 15: comes the head coach of the Bills. We know what

2730
02:07:15,840 --> 02:07:18,880
Speaker 15: offense they'll run. He'll call the plays probably or maybe

2731
02:07:18,880 --> 02:07:20,760
Speaker 15: he'll give it to someone. But Josh Allen will be

2732
02:07:20,760 --> 02:07:23,280
Speaker 15: completely on the same page with the offense. But can

2733
02:07:23,320 --> 02:07:25,480
Speaker 15: he hire a great defensive coordinator? You know that's a

2734
02:07:25,680 --> 02:07:27,440
Speaker 15: hire a great staff. That's the question.

2735
02:07:27,640 --> 02:07:29,480
Speaker 2: That is the question. That's something we've talked about too.

2736
02:07:29,560 --> 02:07:31,160
Speaker 2: No matter if it's Brian Dable or one of these

2737
02:07:31,200 --> 02:07:34,080
Speaker 2: other guys, like an offensive coordinator, if they go offensive minded,

2738
02:07:34,080 --> 02:07:36,920
Speaker 2: this time around on head coach, how key it is

2739
02:07:36,960 --> 02:07:40,160
Speaker 2: to have a really strong defensive coordinator. You look at

2740
02:07:40,320 --> 02:07:42,440
Speaker 2: like God Sirianni has done in Philadelphia, right, he's a

2741
02:07:42,440 --> 02:07:44,640
Speaker 2: first time head coach when he went there. I mean,

2742
02:07:44,680 --> 02:07:47,000
Speaker 2: having a guy like Vic Fangio, you know, running his

2743
02:07:47,040 --> 02:07:50,360
Speaker 2: defense really really helps that team along. So that is

2744
02:07:50,400 --> 02:07:52,160
Speaker 2: probably the key, no matter who they hire, if they

2745
02:07:52,240 --> 02:07:53,080
Speaker 2: go offensive coach.

2746
02:07:53,800 --> 02:07:56,480
Speaker 15: Hey, and look at the Eagles now right, They've Jalen

2747
02:07:56,560 --> 02:07:59,840
Speaker 15: Hurts is ciphering through four offensive coordinators, and you know,

2748
02:07:59,880 --> 02:08:02,080
Speaker 15: the good ones go get head coaching jobs and then

2749
02:08:02,120 --> 02:08:03,640
Speaker 15: they struggle without.

2750
02:08:03,320 --> 02:08:05,960
Speaker 8: Them, you know, I mean it's it's it's very important.

2751
02:08:06,040 --> 02:08:08,560
Speaker 15: Look, I know, I know Gable has some of his

2752
02:08:08,680 --> 02:08:10,760
Speaker 15: heart when he was with the Giants, and he loved

2753
02:08:10,800 --> 02:08:12,440
Speaker 15: being the coach of the Giants, you know, it's an

2754
02:08:12,720 --> 02:08:15,360
Speaker 15: iconic franchise, but some of the piece of his heart

2755
02:08:15,400 --> 02:08:17,560
Speaker 15: it was still in Western New York. It's where he's from.

2756
02:08:17,920 --> 02:08:19,960
Speaker 15: He loved his time with the Bills. I think he's

2757
02:08:20,040 --> 02:08:22,960
Speaker 15: kind of a like I could not see him coaching

2758
02:08:23,000 --> 02:08:25,360
Speaker 15: the Chargers, you know. You know, I think the Bills

2759
02:08:25,360 --> 02:08:31,520
Speaker 15: are a team scruffy and cold and you know, unshaven

2760
02:08:31,600 --> 02:08:33,960
Speaker 15: that's what I you know, I'm sorry if I'm giving all.

2761
02:08:33,920 --> 02:08:39,320
Speaker 2: Kinds of it's a blue collar town.

2762
02:08:39,600 --> 02:08:40,800
Speaker 1: Paul, great talking.

2763
02:08:40,600 --> 02:08:40,920
Speaker 8: To you, man.

2764
02:08:40,960 --> 02:08:43,320
Speaker 1: You made some really good points, and I think I

2765
02:08:43,320 --> 02:08:45,440
Speaker 1: think that helps. I think that might even help all

2766
02:08:45,480 --> 02:08:47,840
Speaker 1: of us embrace stable. If he comes back, We're gonna

2767
02:08:47,840 --> 02:08:48,520
Speaker 1: have a better weekend.

2768
02:08:48,520 --> 02:08:49,040
Speaker 2: Thanks Paul.

2769
02:08:49,960 --> 02:08:51,760
Speaker 1: All right, So there you go, Paul Schwartz from the

2770
02:08:51,760 --> 02:08:54,360
Speaker 1: New York Post Giants beat writer. But he makes a

2771
02:08:54,360 --> 02:08:56,200
Speaker 1: great point about a defensive coordinat I think we even

2772
02:08:56,240 --> 02:08:58,760
Speaker 1: talked about it. We're gonna need somebody with like a

2773
02:08:58,800 --> 02:09:02,240
Speaker 1: new hip and a you know of what a bum knee,

2774
02:09:02,400 --> 02:09:05,320
Speaker 1: just old guy yelling at people as a defensive coordinator. Hey,

2775
02:09:05,320 --> 02:09:07,680
Speaker 1: by the way, the Mike McDaniel stuff apparently official.

2776
02:09:07,440 --> 02:09:09,280
Speaker 2: Name is now official. The Bills have it posted on

2777
02:09:09,320 --> 02:09:11,040
Speaker 2: their website and he is going to be in for

2778
02:09:11,080 --> 02:09:14,040
Speaker 2: an interview today. Shift gears as we get over to

2779
02:09:14,040 --> 02:09:16,680
Speaker 2: the Buffalo Bills, and of course, all the big stories

2780
02:09:16,720 --> 02:09:18,240
Speaker 2: of who's going to be the next head coach at

2781
02:09:18,240 --> 02:09:21,000
Speaker 2: the Buffalo Bills rumors are flying around, and of course

2782
02:09:21,040 --> 02:09:23,640
Speaker 2: interviews have already taken place for some and some are

2783
02:09:23,720 --> 02:09:25,480
Speaker 2: scheduled for this weekend.

2784
02:09:25,640 --> 02:09:28,080
Speaker 1: Joe Biscalon from the Athletic Joe, good morning, how's your

2785
02:09:28,120 --> 02:09:28,440
Speaker 1: week been?

2786
02:09:31,040 --> 02:09:31,840
Speaker 3: Good morning, guys.

2787
02:09:31,880 --> 02:09:35,320
Speaker 16: I I was just saying to Jim when when when

2788
02:09:35,320 --> 02:09:38,800
Speaker 16: he called that, I was in Denver, not even a

2789
02:09:38,840 --> 02:09:42,080
Speaker 16: week ago, and it feels like ten years have passed

2790
02:09:42,360 --> 02:09:45,480
Speaker 16: between then and when I'm talking to you guys right now.

2791
02:09:45,560 --> 02:09:47,760
Speaker 1: Isn't a great point, like, because I was even going

2792
02:09:47,760 --> 02:09:49,000
Speaker 1: through my mind, like what are we going to talk

2793
02:09:49,000 --> 02:09:50,880
Speaker 1: to Joe about? And we were We could have talked

2794
02:09:50,920 --> 02:09:52,680
Speaker 1: about the fire, first of all. We could have talked

2795
02:09:52,680 --> 02:09:54,040
Speaker 1: about whether it was a catch. We could have talked

2796
02:09:54,040 --> 02:09:56,360
Speaker 1: about the game. We could have talked about the firing

2797
02:09:56,440 --> 02:09:59,200
Speaker 1: of Sean McDermott. We could have gone into the press conference.

2798
02:09:59,400 --> 02:10:02,920
Speaker 1: And now I'm thinking we're almost already past that. We're

2799
02:10:02,960 --> 02:10:05,280
Speaker 1: finding out that Mike McDaniel might be coming a town

2800
02:10:05,160 --> 02:10:06,480
Speaker 1: to interview for the coaching job.

2801
02:10:08,560 --> 02:10:08,880
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2802
02:10:08,960 --> 02:10:11,200
Speaker 16: I mean, there's just there's just so much going on,

2803
02:10:11,440 --> 02:10:15,280
Speaker 16: and I mean I think they're all kind of intertwined

2804
02:10:16,000 --> 02:10:20,440
Speaker 16: well obviously, but I mean it's just one thing building

2805
02:10:20,520 --> 02:10:22,720
Speaker 16: off the other that have gotten the bills to this

2806
02:10:22,840 --> 02:10:26,120
Speaker 16: point to which now they are, you know, huddling up

2807
02:10:26,120 --> 02:10:30,160
Speaker 16: from from what my colleague at The Athletic reported Diana Rossini,

2808
02:10:30,680 --> 02:10:33,680
Speaker 16: that the Bills will now be heading to Florida to

2809
02:10:33,800 --> 02:10:38,360
Speaker 16: conduct more of these head coaching interviews. So if they

2810
02:10:38,400 --> 02:10:41,640
Speaker 16: were in Buffalo, you know, Brian Dable was in Buffalo

2811
02:10:42,160 --> 02:10:45,480
Speaker 16: for his head coaching interview. But yes, now the build

2812
02:10:45,480 --> 02:10:48,880
Speaker 16: are trying to figure out what the next path is

2813
02:10:49,360 --> 02:10:54,080
Speaker 16: and Josh Allen is a part of the situation. According

2814
02:10:54,320 --> 02:10:57,760
Speaker 16: again to my colleague Diana Rossini, Josh Allen is sitting

2815
02:10:57,760 --> 02:11:00,960
Speaker 16: in on the meetings, and I would tend to think

2816
02:11:00,960 --> 02:11:04,040
Speaker 16: that he is going to have a pretty strong hand

2817
02:11:04,240 --> 02:11:08,240
Speaker 16: into who the next head coach will be. And you know,

2818
02:11:08,480 --> 02:11:12,080
Speaker 16: the for some points that's a good thing, but also

2819
02:11:12,760 --> 02:11:16,160
Speaker 16: not so good because now you're basically saying, all right, Josh,

2820
02:11:16,160 --> 02:11:18,760
Speaker 16: who do you want? And I'm sure it'll be a

2821
02:11:18,760 --> 02:11:22,080
Speaker 16: collaborative decision because Josh is not really like that that

2822
02:11:22,120 --> 02:11:24,080
Speaker 16: power play type of guy where he's like, no, it's

2823
02:11:24,120 --> 02:11:26,680
Speaker 16: either this guy or I'm walking like. He's not that

2824
02:11:26,720 --> 02:11:29,520
Speaker 16: type of person. So now it's just a matter of

2825
02:11:29,920 --> 02:11:33,840
Speaker 16: who does he mesh with the best, does he want familiarity,

2826
02:11:33,920 --> 02:11:36,360
Speaker 16: does he want something new. It's really up in the

2827
02:11:36,360 --> 02:11:37,000
Speaker 16: air at this point.

2828
02:11:37,080 --> 02:11:37,320
Speaker 10: Joe.

2829
02:11:37,520 --> 02:11:39,800
Speaker 1: You know, maybe what this does is it gives us

2830
02:11:39,800 --> 02:11:42,160
Speaker 1: a chance to step back for a moment, right, because

2831
02:11:42,200 --> 02:11:44,320
Speaker 1: things are happening so fast, and we all try to

2832
02:11:44,360 --> 02:11:46,840
Speaker 1: come up with, you know, like what makes sense of it?

2833
02:11:46,880 --> 02:11:49,280
Speaker 1: All right, not just hot takes, but our brains try

2834
02:11:49,320 --> 02:11:51,960
Speaker 1: to make sense of what we're seeing. And it's happening

2835
02:11:51,960 --> 02:11:56,680
Speaker 1: in live time, with a full week to sit down

2836
02:11:56,720 --> 02:11:59,480
Speaker 1: and let this stew for a little bit, Let's go

2837
02:11:59,600 --> 02:12:02,320
Speaker 1: back to that game for a moment, the locker room,

2838
02:12:02,360 --> 02:12:04,320
Speaker 1: and then afterwards. So the first thing that I think

2839
02:12:04,320 --> 02:12:05,880
Speaker 1: I've heard from a lot of people trying to make

2840
02:12:05,920 --> 02:12:09,919
Speaker 1: sense of this is did Terry Pagola make a rash decision?

2841
02:12:10,440 --> 02:12:12,800
Speaker 1: And should he have taken far more time to come

2842
02:12:12,840 --> 02:12:15,600
Speaker 1: to that conclusion if it was. The other thing was,

2843
02:12:15,960 --> 02:12:18,800
Speaker 1: did Sean McDermott piss him off in some way? And

2844
02:12:18,840 --> 02:12:22,520
Speaker 1: I say that because of that press release misspelled, but

2845
02:12:22,560 --> 02:12:25,160
Speaker 1: still the press release that said it was admirable. What

2846
02:12:25,240 --> 02:12:28,720
Speaker 1: he did admirable is you know, you're you're gonna give

2847
02:12:28,760 --> 02:12:31,360
Speaker 1: it a second chance because you just blew the driver's test,

2848
02:12:31,560 --> 02:12:33,000
Speaker 1: and you're gonna go back out there and you're gonna

2849
02:12:33,000 --> 02:12:34,640
Speaker 1: take that driver's test again. That's admirable.

2850
02:12:34,680 --> 02:12:36,120
Speaker 2: He's got that he's gonna try again.

2851
02:12:36,200 --> 02:12:39,120
Speaker 1: This is this is far more that. And Terry went

2852
02:12:39,160 --> 02:12:41,080
Speaker 1: out of his way to kind of run the bus

2853
02:12:41,080 --> 02:12:43,960
Speaker 1: over Sean a couple of times. And I get the

2854
02:12:44,000 --> 02:12:48,240
Speaker 1: sense that Sean McDermott did something to get under Terry's skin,

2855
02:12:48,800 --> 02:12:51,800
Speaker 1: and he seems like the type that wouldn't forget. So

2856
02:12:52,840 --> 02:12:53,760
Speaker 1: take us back to all.

2857
02:12:53,600 --> 02:12:56,840
Speaker 16: That, Yeah, I don't I don't know if if that

2858
02:12:57,120 --> 02:12:59,720
Speaker 16: is accurate. I don't know that I would be willing

2859
02:12:59,760 --> 02:13:03,440
Speaker 16: to to speculate on that piece of it either. But

2860
02:13:04,160 --> 02:13:07,520
Speaker 16: going back to Denver, I mean the locker room for

2861
02:13:08,880 --> 02:13:12,680
Speaker 16: I'm sure people have have heard enough about it by now,

2862
02:13:13,040 --> 02:13:18,600
Speaker 16: but just experiencing at firsthand, that was as devastated a

2863
02:13:18,680 --> 02:13:22,160
Speaker 16: locker room as I have as I have ever seen.

2864
02:13:22,360 --> 02:13:25,560
Speaker 16: And I this is my sixteenth full season covering the Bills,

2865
02:13:25,600 --> 02:13:28,320
Speaker 16: Like there wasn't anything close. And I was in every

2866
02:13:28,320 --> 02:13:32,000
Speaker 16: single one of those locker rooms in prior playoff losses,

2867
02:13:32,360 --> 02:13:35,600
Speaker 16: like last year in the AFC Championship game that was

2868
02:13:35,720 --> 02:13:39,240
Speaker 16: a really bad one, but there wasn't like this air

2869
02:13:39,320 --> 02:13:44,600
Speaker 16: of despondency as there was after the Denver game, Like

2870
02:13:44,760 --> 02:13:49,800
Speaker 16: Dalton Kincaid was like just non stop crying and could

2871
02:13:49,880 --> 02:13:54,280
Speaker 16: not contain himself for a while. Josh Allen was obviously,

2872
02:13:54,840 --> 02:13:57,440
Speaker 16: you know, he was there, but he wasn't all at once,

2873
02:13:57,480 --> 02:14:00,680
Speaker 16: and we all saw his news conference or just other

2874
02:14:01,160 --> 02:14:04,800
Speaker 16: you know, guys with weld up eyes. All throughout the

2875
02:14:04,800 --> 02:14:08,120
Speaker 16: locker room, it was pretty quiet other than guys just

2876
02:14:08,160 --> 02:14:11,360
Speaker 16: like quietly going over to one another, very very briefly,

2877
02:14:11,720 --> 02:14:13,280
Speaker 16: so that that was a piece of it.

2878
02:14:13,680 --> 02:14:15,040
Speaker 8: But at the same.

2879
02:14:14,880 --> 02:14:19,040
Speaker 16: Time, you know, this is a massive decision, and to

2880
02:14:19,200 --> 02:14:22,760
Speaker 16: make it off of the feel of the locker room,

2881
02:14:22,760 --> 02:14:26,480
Speaker 16: if that is indeed what was the case is you know,

2882
02:14:26,640 --> 02:14:28,960
Speaker 16: you use the term rash. I think that is that

2883
02:14:29,080 --> 02:14:32,600
Speaker 16: is a fair assessment. But you also have to like,

2884
02:14:32,680 --> 02:14:35,560
Speaker 16: there are parts of that press conference from what day

2885
02:14:35,640 --> 02:14:37,240
Speaker 16: was it Wednesday? I don't even know what day it

2886
02:14:37,280 --> 02:14:42,320
Speaker 16: is anymore. Uh, parts of that press conference just were

2887
02:14:42,600 --> 02:14:46,360
Speaker 16: kind of contradictory throughout the entire thing, Like how does

2888
02:14:47,000 --> 02:14:50,040
Speaker 16: Terry Pagoula in that moment, if he is feeling the

2889
02:14:50,080 --> 02:14:53,840
Speaker 16: locker room the way that he is, how is he

2890
02:14:55,080 --> 02:14:59,600
Speaker 16: deciphering in real time? The coach is the reason why

2891
02:14:59,640 --> 02:15:02,160
Speaker 16: the locker room is like this, and the roster is

2892
02:15:02,160 --> 02:15:05,120
Speaker 16: is not the reason why the locker room is like that, Like,

2893
02:15:05,160 --> 02:15:08,920
Speaker 16: how does he come to that decision to not only

2894
02:15:09,520 --> 02:15:11,840
Speaker 16: decide to fire the head coach, to which he said,

2895
02:15:12,160 --> 02:15:15,480
Speaker 16: even though it took thirty six plus hours to tell

2896
02:15:15,520 --> 02:15:18,480
Speaker 16: Sew McDermott that he was fired, to which Sew McDermott

2897
02:15:18,480 --> 02:15:22,680
Speaker 16: conducted exit interviews according to my colleague Tim Graham on Sunday,

2898
02:15:22,840 --> 02:15:24,720
Speaker 16: So there was an in between day where Sean still

2899
02:15:24,760 --> 02:15:26,800
Speaker 16: thought he had the job and then they tell him

2900
02:15:26,800 --> 02:15:30,960
Speaker 16: on Monday. But Pegoula said he didn't waiver whatsoever, and

2901
02:15:31,080 --> 02:15:33,960
Speaker 16: all of these contradictory things to where you know, Terry

2902
02:15:33,960 --> 02:15:36,520
Speaker 16: Pegoulan later in the in the press conference was asked

2903
02:15:38,120 --> 02:15:41,040
Speaker 16: along the lines of when when things kind of fall

2904
02:15:41,120 --> 02:15:46,480
Speaker 16: short in the playoffs, how do you delineate passing between

2905
02:15:47,080 --> 02:15:51,480
Speaker 16: the roster and coaching And he said, that's a that's

2906
02:15:51,520 --> 02:15:53,600
Speaker 16: a hard question. I don't know how to answer that,

2907
02:15:53,680 --> 02:15:57,000
Speaker 16: but he did. He did answer that question like that

2908
02:15:57,000 --> 02:16:00,920
Speaker 16: that was inherently his decision to move on from Sean McDermott.

2909
02:16:00,920 --> 02:16:05,760
Speaker 16: So it's just all very confusing. I don't know that

2910
02:16:05,840 --> 02:16:09,840
Speaker 16: they anticipated the type of blowback that they got when

2911
02:16:09,960 --> 02:16:12,560
Speaker 16: they made the call because you know, we were all

2912
02:16:12,600 --> 02:16:15,600
Speaker 16: talking about this decision and everything along those lines. But

2913
02:16:15,800 --> 02:16:17,960
Speaker 16: the one, the one thing that has been kind of

2914
02:16:18,000 --> 02:16:21,880
Speaker 16: overshadowed throughout all of this is how important Sean McDermott

2915
02:16:21,920 --> 02:16:24,200
Speaker 16: kind of endeared himself to the community over the years,

2916
02:16:24,200 --> 02:16:27,040
Speaker 16: like it was nine seasons. And you know, I'd like

2917
02:16:27,080 --> 02:16:29,839
Speaker 16: to think that, you know, Buffalo is pretty good with

2918
02:16:29,840 --> 02:16:33,080
Speaker 16: with you know, being able to decipher through bs and

2919
02:16:33,080 --> 02:16:39,080
Speaker 16: and who uh which which coaches can are being them

2920
02:16:39,240 --> 02:16:42,279
Speaker 16: their authentic selves and which of them are being performative.

2921
02:16:42,320 --> 02:16:44,280
Speaker 16: And there was nothing about Sean McDermott and what he

2922
02:16:44,320 --> 02:16:47,360
Speaker 16: was doing that was performative. And along with that and

2923
02:16:47,440 --> 02:16:49,440
Speaker 16: endearing himself to the community, he was also a really

2924
02:16:49,480 --> 02:16:52,280
Speaker 16: good coach, and that all came to came to pass

2925
02:16:52,360 --> 02:16:54,800
Speaker 16: with that. And I don't think it would have been

2926
02:16:54,959 --> 02:16:57,560
Speaker 16: as bad. And I know I'm getting I'm getting to

2927
02:16:57,600 --> 02:16:59,080
Speaker 16: a lot here, but my brain has just taken me

2928
02:16:59,080 --> 02:17:02,280
Speaker 16: a little bit everywhere. I don't think it would have

2929
02:17:02,360 --> 02:17:05,400
Speaker 16: been that bad the blowback, that is, if they were

2930
02:17:05,720 --> 02:17:09,440
Speaker 16: have just to fire Sean and just left Brandon Bean alone.

2931
02:17:09,480 --> 02:17:14,520
Speaker 16: But the every single step that took place the firing

2932
02:17:14,520 --> 02:17:17,720
Speaker 16: of Sean, the simultaneous promotion of Brandon Bean, even though

2933
02:17:17,760 --> 02:17:20,040
Speaker 16: they were both responsible for the same team over the

2934
02:17:20,120 --> 02:17:24,160
Speaker 16: last nine years, that rang hollow with fans. Not thanking

2935
02:17:24,200 --> 02:17:28,040
Speaker 16: Sean McDermott for thirty plus hours on any of their

2936
02:17:28,080 --> 02:17:30,840
Speaker 16: social media channels, that rang hollow with the fans. It

2937
02:17:31,000 --> 02:17:33,879
Speaker 16: just I wrote the column out about it on Tuesday.

2938
02:17:34,320 --> 02:17:37,720
Speaker 16: It just felt like the goodwill with the fans that

2939
02:17:37,760 --> 02:17:40,760
Speaker 16: they had taken so much time crafting over the last

2940
02:17:40,840 --> 02:17:44,560
Speaker 16: nine years that you know, fans were so hesitant to

2941
02:17:44,680 --> 02:17:48,279
Speaker 16: trust anything that was happening with the Bills before twenty seventeen,

2942
02:17:48,560 --> 02:17:50,840
Speaker 16: they fully bought in. And it was like, in like

2943
02:17:51,000 --> 02:17:54,000
Speaker 16: thirty six forty eight hours, all of that goodwill was,

2944
02:17:54,520 --> 02:17:59,000
Speaker 16: if not all, most of it was just gone. And

2945
02:17:59,080 --> 02:18:01,800
Speaker 16: I think that's part of why we are here where

2946
02:18:01,840 --> 02:18:04,039
Speaker 16: we are, and this is why it's been kind of

2947
02:18:04,080 --> 02:18:06,080
Speaker 16: a last.

2948
02:18:05,800 --> 02:18:07,680
Speaker 1: Five days or something, and that's why I think that

2949
02:18:07,760 --> 02:18:11,040
Speaker 1: there's something that happened with Sean McDermott that just I

2950
02:18:11,080 --> 02:18:13,840
Speaker 1: don't know, struck him the wrong way, pushed him to

2951
02:18:13,879 --> 02:18:14,520
Speaker 1: this point.

2952
02:18:14,879 --> 02:18:17,440
Speaker 4: Right, this guy's told me to f off a couple

2953
02:18:17,400 --> 02:18:17,800
Speaker 4: of times.

2954
02:18:18,040 --> 02:18:18,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe he did that.

2955
02:18:18,959 --> 02:18:21,120
Speaker 1: You know that admirable was used that he did that,

2956
02:18:21,160 --> 02:18:24,600
Speaker 1: they didn't thank him for thirty hours. They really Terry

2957
02:18:24,640 --> 02:18:26,840
Speaker 1: seems he goes out of his way even to interrupt

2958
02:18:26,879 --> 02:18:28,840
Speaker 1: the press conference, to try to stand up for Brandon

2959
02:18:28,879 --> 02:18:31,720
Speaker 1: Bean and to sort of tank Sean McDermott. I don't know.

2960
02:18:31,760 --> 02:18:34,480
Speaker 1: To me, that's that seems like something happened behind the scenes,

2961
02:18:34,520 --> 02:18:36,560
Speaker 1: But we don't know yet, and so maybe that'll come

2962
02:18:36,560 --> 02:18:40,640
Speaker 1: out eventually. Now that we're in this situation, what's next?

2963
02:18:41,040 --> 02:18:43,720
Speaker 1: So who if if you had a perfect coach who's

2964
02:18:43,760 --> 02:18:46,160
Speaker 1: available at the moment, who do you think fits what

2965
02:18:46,240 --> 02:18:48,000
Speaker 1: this team needs to get to the Super Bowl?

2966
02:18:49,280 --> 02:18:51,080
Speaker 16: I don't think there is a perfect coach at the moment.

2967
02:18:51,160 --> 02:18:54,879
Speaker 16: If I'm honest, there's a there's a good argument that

2968
02:18:54,920 --> 02:18:58,520
Speaker 16: Sean McDermott was the right coach for available.

2969
02:18:58,920 --> 02:18:59,840
Speaker 8: Which is it.

2970
02:19:00,320 --> 02:19:03,080
Speaker 16: Yes, I don't think he'll be coming back, is my

2971
02:19:03,480 --> 02:19:07,120
Speaker 16: is my my guess on the matter. But I think

2972
02:19:08,000 --> 02:19:10,640
Speaker 16: the other the other piece, And just to quickly go

2973
02:19:10,800 --> 02:19:14,040
Speaker 16: back that I remembered that I didn't think of. You know,

2974
02:19:14,800 --> 02:19:18,199
Speaker 16: Terry Pegola in his initial statement on Wednesday, was talking

2975
02:19:18,280 --> 02:19:22,160
Speaker 16: about it was a catch, by the way, and if

2976
02:19:22,200 --> 02:19:24,440
Speaker 16: he felt like it was a catch and it was

2977
02:19:24,600 --> 02:19:27,000
Speaker 16: a bad call. That was the reason that they were

2978
02:19:27,000 --> 02:19:30,160
Speaker 16: no longer in the playoffs. Then why is he firing

2979
02:19:30,200 --> 02:19:30,600
Speaker 16: the coach?

2980
02:19:33,000 --> 02:19:34,959
Speaker 1: What you stand by your coach, you'd be like, that

2981
02:19:35,080 --> 02:19:38,080
Speaker 1: was a catch. My coach just got screwed and general

2982
02:19:38,160 --> 02:19:42,920
Speaker 1: manager and no, that's why I'm thinking that something happened

2983
02:19:43,240 --> 02:19:46,600
Speaker 1: at one Bill's Drive. Sean McDermott did something to Terry

2984
02:19:46,600 --> 02:19:50,000
Speaker 1: Pa and just pissed him off. You know, he's he's

2985
02:19:50,080 --> 02:19:50,879
Speaker 1: famously known for.

2986
02:19:50,959 --> 02:19:51,360
Speaker 10: I don't know.

2987
02:19:53,160 --> 02:19:55,040
Speaker 16: I don't know that to be true, so I don't

2988
02:19:55,040 --> 02:19:57,520
Speaker 16: want to I don't want to speculate on that. But

2989
02:19:58,120 --> 02:20:00,640
Speaker 16: in terms of your other question about who might be

2990
02:20:00,640 --> 02:20:05,320
Speaker 16: an ideal candidate, you know, going forward, familiarity might be

2991
02:20:05,600 --> 02:20:08,920
Speaker 16: the best way to kind of mend defenses here. And

2992
02:20:09,640 --> 02:20:13,880
Speaker 16: I think the best possible outcome if they want to

2993
02:20:13,959 --> 02:20:16,240
Speaker 16: mend fences with the fan base and build up a

2994
02:20:16,280 --> 02:20:19,360
Speaker 16: little bit more goodwill, I think it might be Brian Dabele.

2995
02:20:19,680 --> 02:20:22,640
Speaker 16: And I know he just came through and got fired

2996
02:20:22,640 --> 02:20:26,000
Speaker 16: by the Giants, but he was also incredibly productive with

2997
02:20:26,120 --> 02:20:29,800
Speaker 16: them with the Bills as their offensive coordinator. If you

2998
02:20:29,840 --> 02:20:32,560
Speaker 16: remember back then when Dabel was starting to get courted

2999
02:20:33,120 --> 02:20:36,280
Speaker 16: for head coaching jobs some fans or even like, well,

3000
02:20:36,320 --> 02:20:40,840
Speaker 16: can we just replace McDermott with Dabel because that was

3001
02:20:40,920 --> 02:20:44,440
Speaker 16: kind of he was the chik Head coaching candidate and

3002
02:20:44,560 --> 02:20:47,959
Speaker 16: Josh loves him. Josh had some of his best passing

3003
02:20:48,000 --> 02:20:51,480
Speaker 16: seasons of his NFL career with Brian Dabele. And there's

3004
02:20:51,520 --> 02:20:54,280
Speaker 16: also the fact of this, Brian Dable is a Buffalo guy.

3005
02:20:54,520 --> 02:20:55,920
Speaker 16: He knows it.

3006
02:20:56,080 --> 02:20:57,080
Speaker 10: He is.

3007
02:20:57,800 --> 02:21:01,520
Speaker 16: He's got the type of charm where he'll chug a

3008
02:21:01,520 --> 02:21:05,440
Speaker 16: beer and go through a table with you, and that's

3009
02:21:05,680 --> 02:21:07,359
Speaker 16: that's basically him.

3010
02:21:07,400 --> 02:21:09,840
Speaker 5: But is that enough?

3011
02:21:10,440 --> 02:21:13,320
Speaker 16: Is the previous track record in New York going to

3012
02:21:13,360 --> 02:21:15,720
Speaker 16: be too much of a deterrent to what they're trying

3013
02:21:15,720 --> 02:21:18,920
Speaker 16: to do? And do they want do they maybe just

3014
02:21:18,959 --> 02:21:22,039
Speaker 16: want something fresher? Is the entire piece of it. So

3015
02:21:22,560 --> 02:21:24,840
Speaker 16: uh yeah, there's they've got to sip through a lot,

3016
02:21:25,160 --> 02:21:27,920
Speaker 16: and a lot of it is going to come to

3017
02:21:28,320 --> 02:21:33,320
Speaker 16: what I kind of talked about, the Joshes and what

3018
02:21:33,520 --> 02:21:36,400
Speaker 16: he values the most in this entire thing, because if

3019
02:21:36,440 --> 02:21:40,640
Speaker 16: the coaching, if the person that the front office wants

3020
02:21:40,760 --> 02:21:43,320
Speaker 16: isn't syncing up with the one Josh Allen wants, then

3021
02:21:43,400 --> 02:21:45,640
Speaker 16: I don't know if that person's gonna get hired, So

3022
02:21:45,800 --> 02:21:48,600
Speaker 16: there's gonna be some definite back and forth over the

3023
02:21:48,640 --> 02:21:49,200
Speaker 16: next few weeks.

3024
02:21:49,240 --> 02:21:51,360
Speaker 2: Here we're talking to joeb Ascalia from the Athletic dot Com.

3025
02:21:51,520 --> 02:21:54,200
Speaker 2: Joe Joe Brady is another guy that has interviewed. He's

3026
02:21:54,200 --> 02:21:57,039
Speaker 2: obviously in house. He's the offensive coordinator, and what we're

3027
02:21:57,080 --> 02:21:59,680
Speaker 2: looking at in a lot of cases are successful offensive

3028
02:21:59,680 --> 02:22:03,440
Speaker 2: coordinat he's had success as our offensive coordinator. Does he

3029
02:22:03,680 --> 02:22:05,800
Speaker 2: what are his chances? You think he's a good fit.

3030
02:22:06,080 --> 02:22:08,000
Speaker 2: I kind of I kind of feel like, fan wise,

3031
02:22:08,080 --> 02:22:10,320
Speaker 2: a lot of people aren't really thrilled about that idea.

3032
02:22:11,240 --> 02:22:11,560
Speaker 8: Yeah.

3033
02:22:11,800 --> 02:22:15,280
Speaker 16: Yeah, And I would tend to agree that the sentiment

3034
02:22:15,320 --> 02:22:17,560
Speaker 16: that I get from the fans that that if they

3035
02:22:17,600 --> 02:22:20,480
Speaker 16: were to go and fire Sean McDermott for Joe Brady

3036
02:22:20,760 --> 02:22:23,720
Speaker 16: after the the year on offense that they just had

3037
02:22:23,760 --> 02:22:27,520
Speaker 16: that looked like, at times really inconsistent and stagnant and

3038
02:22:27,560 --> 02:22:31,039
Speaker 16: everything along those lines, Yeah, that that that one is

3039
02:22:31,080 --> 02:22:35,000
Speaker 16: gonna be a tough sell. But I think a lot

3040
02:22:35,040 --> 02:22:38,600
Speaker 16: of it depends, like I said before, on Josh, because

3041
02:22:38,680 --> 02:22:41,560
Speaker 16: out of all of the possible candidates, the one who

3042
02:22:41,600 --> 02:22:46,080
Speaker 16: has worked closest and most recently with Josh Allen is

3043
02:22:46,160 --> 02:22:50,800
Speaker 16: Joe Brady. So if Josh goes I believe in Joe,

3044
02:22:50,800 --> 02:22:54,039
Speaker 16: believe in his vision and and you know, I believe

3045
02:22:54,040 --> 02:22:57,200
Speaker 16: in how he works with his players, then you know

3046
02:22:57,360 --> 02:22:59,440
Speaker 16: that's going to carry a lot of weight. So a

3047
02:22:59,440 --> 02:23:01,560
Speaker 16: lot of this is just what's going on in the

3048
02:23:01,560 --> 02:23:04,400
Speaker 16: brain of Josh Allen. And sure Brandon Bean and Terry

3049
02:23:04,400 --> 02:23:06,800
Speaker 16: Bagoula are going to have their say as well, and

3050
02:23:06,840 --> 02:23:09,560
Speaker 16: that's why they're kind of casting a wide net right

3051
02:23:09,600 --> 02:23:12,040
Speaker 16: now as to who they're talking to. And I'm sure

3052
02:23:12,280 --> 02:23:14,560
Speaker 16: the names aren't going to stop rolling in. Like there's

3053
02:23:14,600 --> 02:23:18,760
Speaker 16: still teams playing that have some interesting people on their

3054
02:23:18,800 --> 02:23:23,360
Speaker 16: staffs like Clint Kubiak the Seahawks offensive coordinator, like Vance

3055
02:23:23,440 --> 02:23:27,800
Speaker 16: Joseph the Broncos defensive coordinator, like Davis Webb, who is

3056
02:23:28,280 --> 02:23:31,760
Speaker 16: who was the Bills practice squad quarterback from twenty nineteen

3057
02:23:31,800 --> 02:23:36,039
Speaker 16: to twenty twenty one, grew really close with Josh back then.

3058
02:23:36,120 --> 02:23:39,000
Speaker 16: Right now he's the passing game coordinator in quarterbacks coach

3059
02:23:39,040 --> 02:23:41,320
Speaker 16: of the Broncos, so he's somewhat to keep an eye

3060
02:23:41,360 --> 02:23:43,600
Speaker 16: on on this too. So there's still plenty more names

3061
02:23:43,600 --> 02:23:46,959
Speaker 16: to come. And but Joe Brady certainly I would say,

3062
02:23:47,360 --> 02:23:51,560
Speaker 16: if you had to like Ballpark as to who might

3063
02:23:51,640 --> 02:23:54,320
Speaker 16: have one of the better chances, I would probably say

3064
02:23:54,400 --> 02:23:57,000
Speaker 16: Joe Brady, even though that'll probably drive fans.

3065
02:23:57,160 --> 02:23:59,560
Speaker 1: You you know, I hope that Terry's got a small

3066
02:23:59,600 --> 02:24:01,879
Speaker 1: group of people that he uses, you know, for advice.

3067
02:24:01,959 --> 02:24:04,400
Speaker 1: I don't know, but you know, if you look at

3068
02:24:04,560 --> 02:24:07,560
Speaker 1: his defense, Sean McDermott's defense comes out, I think it's

3069
02:24:07,600 --> 02:24:10,720
Speaker 1: what thirty three points thirty three point two points in

3070
02:24:10,800 --> 02:24:13,560
Speaker 1: these playoff games that he allows. And I remember watching

3071
02:24:13,640 --> 02:24:16,440
Speaker 1: that Broncos game and it was the first half. It

3072
02:24:16,520 --> 02:24:18,920
Speaker 1: was the final three minutes I think of the first half,

3073
02:24:19,480 --> 02:24:21,520
Speaker 1: and I just kept looking at you know, every checking

3074
02:24:21,560 --> 02:24:23,560
Speaker 1: in on the on the game, going, when the hell

3075
02:24:23,560 --> 02:24:25,480
Speaker 1: are the Bills going to get off the field and

3076
02:24:25,520 --> 02:24:26,879
Speaker 1: so we can get our offense back.

3077
02:24:26,720 --> 02:24:28,080
Speaker 2: And get our offense to go fumble it?

3078
02:24:28,160 --> 02:24:31,880
Speaker 1: Geesey, I know, right, But well, when the hell's the

3079
02:24:31,920 --> 02:24:33,279
Speaker 1: defense going to get off the field?

3080
02:24:34,920 --> 02:24:38,800
Speaker 16: I hear what you're saying. However, the Bills turn the

3081
02:24:38,800 --> 02:24:43,200
Speaker 16: ball over five times, Like how many times in that

3082
02:24:43,280 --> 02:24:47,879
Speaker 16: second half did the defense give the offense chance after

3083
02:24:48,000 --> 02:24:52,000
Speaker 16: chance after chance after chance. The defense is the only

3084
02:24:52,040 --> 02:24:56,039
Speaker 16: reason that Bills were even in the game after giving

3085
02:24:56,120 --> 02:24:59,280
Speaker 16: up that many turnovers like and a lot of them

3086
02:24:59,320 --> 02:25:03,520
Speaker 16: were self and Josh Allen by himself gifted the Broncos

3087
02:25:03,560 --> 02:25:06,720
Speaker 16: three points. That's not the defense's fall. He literally fumbled

3088
02:25:06,720 --> 02:25:08,240
Speaker 16: the ball away on a play that he should have

3089
02:25:08,240 --> 02:25:12,040
Speaker 16: thrown it away, and the Broncos gets the ball in

3090
02:25:12,160 --> 02:25:14,800
Speaker 16: field goal range two seconds to go three points. They

3091
02:25:14,879 --> 02:25:17,640
Speaker 16: end up winning by three points, mind you, So these

3092
02:25:17,640 --> 02:25:21,359
Speaker 16: are not this is all not all on the defense.

3093
02:25:21,480 --> 02:25:25,800
Speaker 16: And get I get the frustration with the Over the years,

3094
02:25:25,800 --> 02:25:31,199
Speaker 16: there were past postseasons where the defense really let them down.

3095
02:25:31,680 --> 02:25:34,640
Speaker 16: I do not think the twenty twenty five playoffs were

3096
02:25:34,680 --> 02:25:37,480
Speaker 16: one of those those situations like did they give up

3097
02:25:37,760 --> 02:25:41,800
Speaker 16: that last drive that allowed the Broncos to win, Yes,

3098
02:25:41,920 --> 02:25:44,600
Speaker 16: But how many times in the last couple of months

3099
02:25:44,600 --> 02:25:47,320
Speaker 16: of the season we were the defense, the ones that

3100
02:25:47,360 --> 02:25:50,760
Speaker 16: were bailing out what the Bills offense, you know, trying

3101
02:25:50,760 --> 02:25:54,320
Speaker 16: to allow them the ability to actually put the ball

3102
02:25:54,320 --> 02:25:56,840
Speaker 16: in the end zone. And take about the Eagles game.

3103
02:25:57,080 --> 02:26:02,560
Speaker 16: I mean in Week seventeen, they they basically shut down

3104
02:26:02,560 --> 02:26:05,560
Speaker 16: the Eagles that entire second half and the Bills didn't

3105
02:26:05,560 --> 02:26:09,520
Speaker 16: score until fifty five minutes into the game. So I

3106
02:26:09,640 --> 02:26:13,320
Speaker 16: get the frustration with defense. Don't get me wrong. Were

3107
02:26:13,320 --> 02:26:15,720
Speaker 16: they perfect, Absolutely not. They gave up way too many

3108
02:26:15,720 --> 02:26:17,960
Speaker 16: pop plays throughout the season, and that's a part of

3109
02:26:18,000 --> 02:26:20,800
Speaker 16: the frustration too. But I'm not going to sit here,

3110
02:26:21,000 --> 02:26:23,600
Speaker 16: by any stretch of the imagination and blame what happened

3111
02:26:23,640 --> 02:26:25,960
Speaker 16: in Denver on the defense. The Bills turned the ball

3112
02:26:26,000 --> 02:26:30,080
Speaker 16: over five times, they had the Broncos exactly where they

3113
02:26:30,080 --> 02:26:33,400
Speaker 16: wanted them in the first half. James Cook bumbles the

3114
02:26:33,400 --> 02:26:35,959
Speaker 16: ball away. They were looking to go up fourteen to

3115
02:26:35,959 --> 02:26:36,800
Speaker 16: three at that point.

3116
02:26:36,959 --> 02:26:37,840
Speaker 10: Bumbles the ball away.

3117
02:26:37,840 --> 02:26:40,240
Speaker 16: Denver takes it down and scores a touchdown. All of

3118
02:26:40,280 --> 02:26:42,200
Speaker 16: a sudden they have the lead. That's a fourteen point

3119
02:26:42,240 --> 02:26:44,680
Speaker 16: swing right there. So the Bill's defense deserves a little

3120
02:26:44,680 --> 02:26:45,240
Speaker 16: bit more credible.

3121
02:26:45,320 --> 02:26:46,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, there are a lot of moments, right you just

3122
02:26:46,720 --> 02:26:48,680
Speaker 1: bang your head and go off. Only this had happened

3123
02:26:48,720 --> 02:26:51,680
Speaker 1: one more thing. So, Ryan Fitzpatrick, that's the Fits and

3124
02:26:51,760 --> 02:26:54,480
Speaker 1: Wits podcast. These guys were talking about Josh Allen, and

3125
02:26:54,520 --> 02:26:57,680
Speaker 1: at one point I think Fitzpatrick said, Josh Allen is

3126
02:26:57,720 --> 02:26:59,680
Speaker 1: the type of guy that loves to be and maybe

3127
02:26:59,720 --> 02:27:02,840
Speaker 1: needs to be coached hard, real hard, and maybe that

3128
02:27:02,920 --> 02:27:05,560
Speaker 1: keeps him from tossing it that way at the last moment.

3129
02:27:05,959 --> 02:27:07,520
Speaker 1: Is Brian Dable that type of guy and of so

3130
02:27:07,720 --> 02:27:10,920
Speaker 1: should they just fight? Should they just hire him?

3131
02:27:11,280 --> 02:27:13,560
Speaker 16: I think Brian Dabele is that type of guy, honestly.

3132
02:27:15,000 --> 02:27:20,600
Speaker 16: And it's difficult because you think about what they want

3133
02:27:20,680 --> 02:27:24,080
Speaker 16: out of the head coach, and you know the obvious

3134
02:27:24,120 --> 02:27:26,160
Speaker 16: like Lean is like, Okay, they just had a defensive

3135
02:27:26,160 --> 02:27:28,200
Speaker 16: minded head coach and Sean mcgrimmer for the last nine

3136
02:27:28,240 --> 02:27:30,680
Speaker 16: year Lean offense. This time around a pair Josh Allen

3137
02:27:30,720 --> 02:27:32,360
Speaker 16: with the offensive mind, so that way you don't have

3138
02:27:32,400 --> 02:27:37,320
Speaker 16: to worry about if this guy is that good that

3139
02:27:37,400 --> 02:27:39,879
Speaker 16: he turns around and leaves. So I get that notion.

3140
02:27:40,200 --> 02:27:42,520
Speaker 16: But Brandon Bean also talked about how they want kind

3141
02:27:42,520 --> 02:27:45,520
Speaker 16: of like a CEO type and overseer of it. The

3142
02:27:45,560 --> 02:27:49,040
Speaker 16: good part about Brandon Brian Dabele is that he has

3143
02:27:49,120 --> 02:27:52,520
Speaker 16: been in that chair now and they do know what

3144
02:27:52,680 --> 02:27:57,640
Speaker 16: happens with that. But the unfortunate part is it went

3145
02:27:57,720 --> 02:28:00,880
Speaker 16: pretty poorly down the stretch for him. Now can argue

3146
02:28:00,920 --> 02:28:03,480
Speaker 16: that they didn't really have a quarterback or with anything

3147
02:28:03,680 --> 02:28:07,280
Speaker 16: in New York, which is absolutely true, and he they

3148
02:28:07,320 --> 02:28:10,240
Speaker 16: only began starting Jackson Dart for I think like a

3149
02:28:10,320 --> 02:28:13,160
Speaker 16: month maybe a month and a half before until Brian

3150
02:28:13,240 --> 02:28:16,640
Speaker 16: Dable winds up getting fired. But that said, they do

3151
02:28:16,720 --> 02:28:19,200
Speaker 16: have a bank of knowledge as to what he could be,

3152
02:28:19,560 --> 02:28:21,879
Speaker 16: and he's got the offensive piece and he's got the

3153
02:28:21,959 --> 02:28:25,400
Speaker 16: local ties. So there's a lot that kind of fits.

3154
02:28:25,680 --> 02:28:28,840
Speaker 16: But it all depends on what's going on in the

3155
02:28:28,840 --> 02:28:31,360
Speaker 16: brain of seventeen and if if he wants something a

3156
02:28:31,360 --> 02:28:34,080
Speaker 16: little bit fresher and doesn't want to take turn back

3157
02:28:34,080 --> 02:28:37,480
Speaker 16: the clock, if he is would rather go with someone

3158
02:28:37,600 --> 02:28:41,120
Speaker 16: who he doesn't know. I mean, there's all a part

3159
02:28:41,160 --> 02:28:42,160
Speaker 16: of that to it as well.

3160
02:28:42,280 --> 02:28:44,279
Speaker 1: I see what you're saying. That's the danger of allowing

3161
02:28:44,360 --> 02:28:46,600
Speaker 1: Josh Allen, if they're giving him that much power. I

3162
02:28:46,600 --> 02:28:49,280
Speaker 1: see what you're saying. That's interesting. All right. So then

3163
02:28:49,320 --> 02:28:51,840
Speaker 1: the two things Brian Dable, you know, can should not do,

3164
02:28:51,920 --> 02:28:54,640
Speaker 1: and probably the first thing is not tray James Cook

3165
02:28:54,920 --> 02:28:56,000
Speaker 1: to the Eagles.

3166
02:28:57,120 --> 02:28:59,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, seg and Barkley, Yeah, that kind of hurt

3167
02:28:59,360 --> 02:29:00,000
Speaker 2: the giant question.

3168
02:29:00,040 --> 02:29:02,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not good. Joe Biscott, you from the Athletic

3169
02:29:03,040 --> 02:29:04,840
Speaker 1: Joe can't wait to read more about what you're going

3170
02:29:04,840 --> 02:29:06,640
Speaker 1: to crank out this weekend as well as we get

3171
02:29:06,680 --> 02:29:09,000
Speaker 1: ready for all of this. Should be interesting. Keep in touch.

3172
02:29:09,040 --> 02:29:10,040
Speaker 1: Love to have you back on soon.

3173
02:29:10,080 --> 02:29:11,960
Speaker 16: Take care that good guys, Thanks for having me.

3174
02:29:12,000 --> 02:29:13,640
Speaker 1: So now we have to start thinking about making some

3175
02:29:13,680 --> 02:29:14,720
Speaker 1: money on the rest of the game.

3176
02:29:14,800 --> 02:29:17,520
Speaker 2: Yeah games on Sunday, Man, we got cash opportunities in

3177
02:29:17,520 --> 02:29:17,920
Speaker 2: front of.

3178
02:29:17,879 --> 02:29:20,440
Speaker 1: Us ZIP, so we've got some championship. The only thing

3179
02:29:20,480 --> 02:29:22,840
Speaker 1: we should say, and I don't know Scott if you've

3180
02:29:22,879 --> 02:29:25,360
Speaker 1: heard yet, but there's a conversation going on that Mike

3181
02:29:25,440 --> 02:29:29,440
Speaker 1: McDaniel is going to interview for some sort of position

3182
02:29:29,480 --> 02:29:30,440
Speaker 1: with the Buffalo Bills.

3183
02:29:30,440 --> 02:29:32,600
Speaker 2: They've made that visited as a head coach interview.

3184
02:29:32,760 --> 02:29:36,240
Speaker 1: Wow, Okay, we get the feeling that fans would riot

3185
02:29:36,600 --> 02:29:38,880
Speaker 1: if Mike McDaniel ended up as head coach of the

3186
02:29:38,920 --> 02:29:41,320
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills. But crazier things have happened. We've learned that

3187
02:29:41,400 --> 02:29:41,800
Speaker 1: this week.

3188
02:29:41,879 --> 02:29:43,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, press conference was crazy.

3189
02:29:44,200 --> 02:29:47,160
Speaker 3: What a way to end the longest week in Western

3190
02:29:47,200 --> 02:29:51,039
Speaker 3: New York football history right as this rumor pops up.

3191
02:29:51,120 --> 02:29:54,640
Speaker 3: But yeah, I would be shocked if that were to happen.

3192
02:29:54,800 --> 02:29:58,360
Speaker 3: But there, I guess has been less shocking things that

3193
02:29:58,400 --> 02:30:01,280
Speaker 3: have happened in world history. I just can't think of

3194
02:30:01,320 --> 02:30:01,840
Speaker 3: them right now.

3195
02:30:02,000 --> 02:30:04,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, they'd have to rescale or they'd have to resell

3196
02:30:04,920 --> 02:30:08,160
Speaker 1: all of those season tickets at the new stadium. Everybody's

3197
02:30:08,160 --> 02:30:10,600
Speaker 1: just ripping up their seat license, all right. So anyway,

3198
02:30:10,640 --> 02:30:14,039
Speaker 1: Mike McDaniels, yes he's being interviewed, but we do have

3199
02:30:14,280 --> 02:30:18,080
Speaker 1: championship football this weekend. Let's take a step back for

3200
02:30:18,120 --> 02:30:20,520
Speaker 1: a moment and of the final four teams, are you

3201
02:30:20,600 --> 02:30:22,800
Speaker 1: surprised that this is what's left?

3202
02:30:23,160 --> 02:30:23,440
Speaker 10: Oh?

3203
02:30:23,480 --> 02:30:27,039
Speaker 3: Absolutely, I mean I'm surprised if you go back to

3204
02:30:27,040 --> 02:30:30,840
Speaker 3: the beginning of the season. I'm not all that surprised

3205
02:30:30,840 --> 02:30:32,480
Speaker 3: if you go back to the beginning of the playoffs.

3206
02:30:32,520 --> 02:30:35,360
Speaker 3: I mean, we do have a one in two seed

3207
02:30:35,480 --> 02:30:38,440
Speaker 3: in the AFC and then the NFC. Even though you

3208
02:30:38,520 --> 02:30:41,640
Speaker 3: have a one in a five, the five was relatively

3209
02:30:41,680 --> 02:30:44,920
Speaker 3: heavy favorite in both of those games.

3210
02:30:44,720 --> 02:30:46,320
Speaker 2: The same division, right.

3211
02:30:46,720 --> 02:30:49,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly, five top.

3212
02:30:49,080 --> 02:30:51,600
Speaker 2: Wild card, So I mean they were right, They're right

3213
02:30:51,640 --> 02:30:52,280
Speaker 2: there for the fight.

3214
02:30:52,760 --> 02:30:55,160
Speaker 3: Yeah. So not surprised if you go back three weeks,

3215
02:30:55,160 --> 02:30:57,279
Speaker 3: but certainly surprised if you go back four months.

3216
02:30:57,480 --> 02:30:59,240
Speaker 2: All right, Well, let's take the first game. So we've

3217
02:30:59,280 --> 02:31:01,120
Speaker 2: got the Patriots in the Broncos, and I noticed that

3218
02:31:01,120 --> 02:31:04,040
Speaker 2: the line has shifted slightly. I mean you've got a

3219
02:31:04,080 --> 02:31:07,240
Speaker 2: backup quarterback, Jart's did who is quite familiar actually to

3220
02:31:07,400 --> 02:31:11,000
Speaker 2: Josh McDaniel and the New England Patriots, at least Josh McDaniel,

3221
02:31:11,080 --> 02:31:13,280
Speaker 2: maybe not the rest of their staff there because he

3222
02:31:13,440 --> 02:31:15,920
Speaker 2: was playing there for years. But the line has dropped

3223
02:31:15,920 --> 02:31:17,280
Speaker 2: a little bit. It was five and a half now

3224
02:31:17,280 --> 02:31:18,920
Speaker 2: it's down to four and a half in favor of

3225
02:31:19,000 --> 02:31:20,880
Speaker 2: the Patriots. What are you seeing there?

3226
02:31:22,080 --> 02:31:24,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, not really a significant line move. You're

3227
02:31:24,959 --> 02:31:27,400
Speaker 3: not going through any key numbers there. I did think

3228
02:31:27,440 --> 02:31:29,680
Speaker 3: that five and a half was a bit high. The

3229
02:31:29,720 --> 02:31:32,320
Speaker 3: look ahead line had opened Broncos one and a half

3230
02:31:32,400 --> 02:31:35,959
Speaker 3: when Nicks was still healthy, and probably would have closed

3231
02:31:36,000 --> 02:31:37,440
Speaker 3: it two and a half. So you're talking about a

3232
02:31:37,600 --> 02:31:40,680
Speaker 3: seven point move. That's a big move when you're talking

3233
02:31:40,680 --> 02:31:44,080
Speaker 3: about these lines. And you know, as really there's two

3234
02:31:44,160 --> 02:31:47,240
Speaker 3: sides of every football, right, and there's the offense, and

3235
02:31:47,280 --> 02:31:50,800
Speaker 3: obviously you got to downgrade the offense. But this Broncos

3236
02:31:50,879 --> 02:31:54,440
Speaker 3: defense is formidable and I think the Patriots are going

3237
02:31:54,480 --> 02:31:58,119
Speaker 3: to have a very hard time blocking this defensive line,

3238
02:31:58,160 --> 02:32:02,119
Speaker 3: specifically Nick Benito. I think that that is the biggest

3239
02:32:02,440 --> 02:32:06,600
Speaker 3: matchup that's in favor of Denver Is Benito against the

3240
02:32:06,720 --> 02:32:08,720
Speaker 3: rookie Will Campbell, who has struggled.

3241
02:32:09,280 --> 02:32:10,920
Speaker 10: He's handled below.

3242
02:32:10,600 --> 02:32:13,440
Speaker 3: Average edge rushers and he's really struggled against the elite.

3243
02:32:13,480 --> 02:32:16,840
Speaker 3: I would put Benito as elite, and I kind of

3244
02:32:16,840 --> 02:32:19,320
Speaker 3: think four and a half is a bit too much here.

3245
02:32:19,959 --> 02:32:22,039
Speaker 3: I kind of think it was too much of a downgrade,

3246
02:32:22,040 --> 02:32:26,200
Speaker 3: which Stidham obviously a huge drop off from Knicks to

3247
02:32:26,400 --> 02:32:28,320
Speaker 3: a guy who hasn't thrown a pass in a couple

3248
02:32:28,400 --> 02:32:31,080
Speaker 3: of years. But Sean Payton, I think is going to

3249
02:32:31,360 --> 02:32:36,000
Speaker 3: manage the game properly. Stidham is not a complete jamoke

3250
02:32:36,160 --> 02:32:38,000
Speaker 3: like a lot of the backups in the league. He

3251
02:32:38,080 --> 02:32:43,199
Speaker 3: does have some starting experience. But you dow downgrade the Broncos.

3252
02:32:43,240 --> 02:32:46,520
Speaker 3: I think the Patriots pull this out. But I just

3253
02:32:46,560 --> 02:32:48,560
Speaker 3: think that point spread is too high for a team

3254
02:32:48,640 --> 02:32:49,640
Speaker 3: going on the road, you know.

3255
02:32:49,640 --> 02:32:51,560
Speaker 1: And that's what I was gonna ask you about Jason Stidham,

3256
02:32:51,600 --> 02:32:53,680
Speaker 1: like as a backup quarterback, and you said he's not

3257
02:32:53,920 --> 02:32:57,120
Speaker 1: a typical backup jimoke. Can he bring it? I mean,

3258
02:32:57,160 --> 02:32:59,240
Speaker 1: do you see a path where he could you know,

3259
02:32:59,280 --> 02:33:01,440
Speaker 1: throw enough because he's got an arm you can kind

3260
02:33:01,440 --> 02:33:04,720
Speaker 1: of run. Can you see a possibility that he could

3261
02:33:04,760 --> 02:33:06,480
Speaker 1: get a couple of lucky passes in there and win

3262
02:33:06,520 --> 02:33:06,960
Speaker 1: this game.

3263
02:33:08,280 --> 02:33:12,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean we saw we saw him last weekend.

3264
02:33:12,280 --> 02:33:16,039
Speaker 3: How you know, some calls can go one way or

3265
02:33:16,080 --> 02:33:18,760
Speaker 3: the other, and at the scales of a game, and

3266
02:33:19,280 --> 02:33:22,440
Speaker 3: you know, sometimes the best play in the NFL is

3267
02:33:22,480 --> 02:33:25,800
Speaker 3: the underthrown deep ball, where you know, you get a

3268
02:33:25,840 --> 02:33:28,520
Speaker 3: fast receiver like MIM's getting behind a defense and a

3269
02:33:28,560 --> 02:33:31,200
Speaker 3: quarterback underthrows it and he kind of stops and the

3270
02:33:31,240 --> 02:33:33,320
Speaker 3: defensive back has chasing him and he bumps into him,

3271
02:33:33,360 --> 02:33:35,040
Speaker 3: and all of a sudden you have a forty three

3272
02:33:35,120 --> 02:33:39,080
Speaker 3: yard penalty. So certainly anything is possible. I do think

3273
02:33:39,120 --> 02:33:42,920
Speaker 3: that you have to give Peyton credit for being a

3274
02:33:43,000 --> 02:33:45,959
Speaker 3: coach ken game plan on the offensive side of the ball.

3275
02:33:46,600 --> 02:33:51,640
Speaker 3: I do like diddams over in passing yards it's right

3276
02:33:51,680 --> 02:33:53,760
Speaker 3: at one hundred ninety nine and a half. I do

3277
02:33:53,840 --> 02:33:56,240
Speaker 3: think he'll hit two hundred yards. I think he'll make

3278
02:33:56,280 --> 02:33:58,640
Speaker 3: some mistakes. It won't make the number of mistakes that

3279
02:33:58,879 --> 02:33:59,080
Speaker 3: c J.

3280
02:33:59,240 --> 02:33:59,800
Speaker 10: Stroud made.

3281
02:34:00,320 --> 02:34:02,160
Speaker 3: None of us in life should ever make the amount

3282
02:34:02,200 --> 02:34:04,880
Speaker 3: of mistakes that CJ. Stroud made this past some day.

3283
02:34:04,920 --> 02:34:10,000
Speaker 3: But yeah, I think you know he'll be competitive. I think,

3284
02:34:10,320 --> 02:34:14,000
Speaker 3: really where the Broncos get hurt the most is when

3285
02:34:14,040 --> 02:34:16,560
Speaker 3: guys are not opened down the field. Nicks had the

3286
02:34:16,600 --> 02:34:19,560
Speaker 3: ability to create. Stidham has not. He's more of a

3287
02:34:19,680 --> 02:34:23,160
Speaker 3: pack pocket passer type of guy. When the Pats drafted him,

3288
02:34:23,480 --> 02:34:26,360
Speaker 3: it was to be Tom Brady's backup to run a

3289
02:34:26,400 --> 02:34:29,240
Speaker 3: Tom Brady type of offense where Brady to get hurt,

3290
02:34:29,600 --> 02:34:32,480
Speaker 3: and that is, you know, where the quarterback.

3291
02:34:32,120 --> 02:34:33,400
Speaker 10: Is not very mobile.

3292
02:34:33,520 --> 02:34:37,360
Speaker 3: So I think they lose that element, but you know,

3293
02:34:37,440 --> 02:34:40,480
Speaker 3: I think it'll be a competent game plan. And well,

3294
02:34:40,560 --> 02:34:41,520
Speaker 3: Sean Payton's a guy.

3295
02:34:41,800 --> 02:34:42,920
Speaker 10: He can't help himself.

3296
02:34:43,400 --> 02:34:44,440
Speaker 8: We talked about a.

3297
02:34:44,320 --> 02:34:47,039
Speaker 3: Little bit yesterday. He's not going to be running the football.

3298
02:34:47,160 --> 02:34:50,879
Speaker 3: He passes the football, and I think he wants nothing more.

3299
02:34:51,240 --> 02:34:54,120
Speaker 3: He's like thriving on this opportunity to show what a

3300
02:34:54,200 --> 02:34:59,360
Speaker 3: genius he is offensively, to dial up a relatively aggressive

3301
02:34:59,400 --> 02:35:02,920
Speaker 3: game plan even with the backup quarterback, and kind of

3302
02:35:03,400 --> 02:35:06,080
Speaker 3: cement his legacy as one of the best offensive mines

3303
02:35:07,400 --> 02:35:09,800
Speaker 3: you know, in really recent history in football.

3304
02:35:09,879 --> 02:35:12,320
Speaker 2: It looks like too if you're looking at injury updates

3305
02:35:12,360 --> 02:35:14,160
Speaker 2: and things like that, the Broncos are getting some guys

3306
02:35:14,200 --> 02:35:16,680
Speaker 2: back that they lost last week. So they lost two

3307
02:35:16,680 --> 02:35:19,320
Speaker 2: of the receivers, Pat Bryant, he's going through concussion protocol.

3308
02:35:19,320 --> 02:35:22,960
Speaker 2: He's been a full go yesterday and Wednesday run. Also,

3309
02:35:23,400 --> 02:35:26,600
Speaker 2: they lost Troy Franklin hamstring limited the last two days.

3310
02:35:26,680 --> 02:35:29,440
Speaker 2: Those are some positive steps for him. Running back JK. Dobbins,

3311
02:35:29,480 --> 02:35:31,360
Speaker 2: I know you said don't plan on running a lot,

3312
02:35:31,360 --> 02:35:34,040
Speaker 2: but he was their top runner and looks like he's

3313
02:35:34,080 --> 02:35:36,720
Speaker 2: been practicing this week. He's eligible to come back off

3314
02:35:36,760 --> 02:35:39,280
Speaker 2: of IR, so a couple of weapons come back. Of course,

3315
02:35:39,320 --> 02:35:41,440
Speaker 2: the one that's not coming back is bow nicks, But

3316
02:35:41,560 --> 02:35:44,120
Speaker 2: I mean those are some potential help for that offense.

3317
02:35:45,560 --> 02:35:48,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely, And I think where Dobbins can really help,

3318
02:35:48,320 --> 02:35:51,840
Speaker 3: being more of a veteran back, is in pass protection

3319
02:35:52,000 --> 02:35:54,200
Speaker 3: and things like that. Now they've taken the sportsbooks have

3320
02:35:54,280 --> 02:35:58,080
Speaker 3: taken all the Denver rushing props off the board until

3321
02:35:58,120 --> 02:36:01,560
Speaker 3: we get official word on Dobbin's status. But earlier in

3322
02:36:01,560 --> 02:36:04,400
Speaker 3: the week there was some RJ. Harvey lines and I

3323
02:36:04,480 --> 02:36:06,760
Speaker 3: really liked going under. There was something as high as

3324
02:36:06,800 --> 02:36:09,879
Speaker 3: a fifty two and a half. So once those repost,

3325
02:36:10,560 --> 02:36:14,279
Speaker 3: if Harvey gets posted, I would imagine if Dobbins is healthy,

3326
02:36:14,640 --> 02:36:17,160
Speaker 3: he'd probably be posted more in the high thirties. I

3327
02:36:17,160 --> 02:36:20,600
Speaker 3: would still go under that. The Patriots defense, yeah, with

3328
02:36:20,959 --> 02:36:25,520
Speaker 3: Milton Williams in there has been formidable. I mean, running

3329
02:36:25,520 --> 02:36:28,920
Speaker 3: backs have averaged thirty four yards per game rushing on

3330
02:36:29,080 --> 02:36:32,360
Speaker 3: average in the thirteen games. Then Milton Williams has been healthy,

3331
02:36:32,400 --> 02:36:35,440
Speaker 3: and there's been some good backs that they faced, Jon Robinson,

3332
02:36:35,959 --> 02:36:39,840
Speaker 3: Devon a chan Genti, Kamara Judkins, so it's not like

3333
02:36:39,879 --> 02:36:42,480
Speaker 3: they've been facing a lot of stiffs. So I don't

3334
02:36:42,520 --> 02:36:44,400
Speaker 3: think the Broncos will get a.

3335
02:36:44,240 --> 02:36:45,560
Speaker 10: Good ground game going.

3336
02:36:45,640 --> 02:36:47,800
Speaker 3: I don't know how much they'll even try. But if

3337
02:36:47,879 --> 02:36:50,640
Speaker 3: Dobbins is healthy, that even cuts in more to what

3338
02:36:50,760 --> 02:36:53,560
Speaker 3: Harvey will do. And you look at the past two games,

3339
02:36:53,600 --> 02:36:58,480
Speaker 3: and it's been McLaughlin that's actually out rushed Harvey. You know,

3340
02:36:58,520 --> 02:37:01,720
Speaker 3: Harvey only had the six carries against Buffalo's rush defense,

3341
02:37:02,040 --> 02:37:04,760
Speaker 3: and obviously that rush defense isn't nearly as good as

3342
02:37:05,280 --> 02:37:07,800
Speaker 3: the Patriots. So keep an eye on when those rushing

3343
02:37:07,840 --> 02:37:11,640
Speaker 3: props are posted. And I think anything over thirty five

3344
02:37:11,760 --> 02:37:13,920
Speaker 3: yards let's post it as an over under on Harvey.

3345
02:37:14,040 --> 02:37:15,400
Speaker 10: I'm gonna go under un any.

3346
02:37:15,240 --> 02:37:16,760
Speaker 2: Props in that game that you like before we move

3347
02:37:16,800 --> 02:37:17,400
Speaker 2: to the second one.

3348
02:37:19,160 --> 02:37:22,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, So here's a here's a long shoty one, and

3349
02:37:22,440 --> 02:37:26,000
Speaker 3: it's it's Adam You know I love though, Yeah, it's

3350
02:37:26,080 --> 02:37:31,240
Speaker 3: Adam Troutman. Anytime touchdown at DraftKings is plus twelve hundred.

3351
02:37:31,720 --> 02:37:33,920
Speaker 3: And we've seen it in the past where you get

3352
02:37:33,920 --> 02:37:38,200
Speaker 3: a backup quarterback that goes into the game and he's

3353
02:37:38,240 --> 02:37:42,760
Speaker 3: more familiar throwing to second team type guys because that's

3354
02:37:42,760 --> 02:37:46,320
Speaker 3: what he does in practice. Troutman can be a red

3355
02:37:46,400 --> 02:37:49,600
Speaker 3: zone passing weapon. And again, you know, if it was

3356
02:37:49,640 --> 02:37:52,080
Speaker 3: fifty to fifty, do I think Trouton's gonna score touchdown? No,

3357
02:37:52,200 --> 02:37:56,000
Speaker 3: but I think at plus twelve hundred anytime touchdown at DraftKings,

3358
02:37:56,280 --> 02:37:58,039
Speaker 3: that's the long shot prop I like the most.

3359
02:37:58,160 --> 02:38:00,080
Speaker 1: All right, let's go to the Los Angeles Rams of

3360
02:38:00,120 --> 02:38:03,119
Speaker 1: the Seattle Seahawks. Seahawks given up two and a half.

3361
02:38:03,280 --> 02:38:05,840
Speaker 1: It's a six o'clock game on Fox. What do you think?

3362
02:38:06,000 --> 02:38:07,440
Speaker 1: Where do we make money off of this one?

3363
02:38:09,200 --> 02:38:09,520
Speaker 8: Yeah?

3364
02:38:09,600 --> 02:38:12,240
Speaker 3: I just again, we talked about it a little bit yesterday.

3365
02:38:12,280 --> 02:38:14,600
Speaker 3: I think McVeigh sort of beating himself up for the

3366
02:38:14,640 --> 02:38:18,160
Speaker 3: play calling after that Bears game. Is he's gonna dial

3367
02:38:18,240 --> 02:38:21,040
Speaker 3: something up. And remember it wasn't too long ago they

3368
02:38:21,080 --> 02:38:23,920
Speaker 3: played that Thursday night game and both teams are passed

3369
02:38:23,959 --> 02:38:26,480
Speaker 3: thirty five points. Rams got out to a big lead

3370
02:38:26,520 --> 02:38:29,080
Speaker 3: in that one. I know that the Seahawks defense has

3371
02:38:29,080 --> 02:38:31,640
Speaker 3: been formidable, but I think the Rams are gonna have

3372
02:38:31,640 --> 02:38:34,160
Speaker 3: a game plan to counter it. I think you're gonna

3373
02:38:34,160 --> 02:38:36,200
Speaker 3: see a lot of short passing. I think you're going

3374
02:38:36,280 --> 02:38:39,480
Speaker 3: to see the running backs get involved in the passing game.

3375
02:38:39,560 --> 02:38:41,959
Speaker 3: And that's a lot of the props that I like.

3376
02:38:42,440 --> 02:38:45,640
Speaker 3: The Seahawks have given up the most receptions to opposing

3377
02:38:45,720 --> 02:38:49,000
Speaker 3: running backs this season, and the reason that is is

3378
02:38:49,040 --> 02:38:51,959
Speaker 3: partly because they are so good. They don't give you

3379
02:38:52,040 --> 02:38:54,440
Speaker 3: much time to throw. You can't get those routes open

3380
02:38:54,560 --> 02:38:56,560
Speaker 3: down the field, and there's a lot of dump offs

3381
02:38:56,560 --> 02:38:58,800
Speaker 3: and a lot of checkdowns. So they're giving up six

3382
02:38:58,840 --> 02:39:02,080
Speaker 3: receptions per game. You can get Kyron Williams over two

3383
02:39:02,120 --> 02:39:05,000
Speaker 3: and a half receptions at plus money, it's plus one

3384
02:39:05,080 --> 02:39:07,800
Speaker 3: eighteen FanDuel I took a little bit of that. I

3385
02:39:07,840 --> 02:39:11,800
Speaker 3: took Kyron Williams alternate receptions four plus at plus two

3386
02:39:11,920 --> 02:39:15,080
Speaker 3: seventy and five plus at plus five eighty. I can

3387
02:39:15,120 --> 02:39:18,800
Speaker 3: certainly see Kyron Williams getting that number of receptions. And

3388
02:39:18,840 --> 02:39:21,400
Speaker 3: then you have Blake Koram's number is just over a

3389
02:39:21,440 --> 02:39:24,200
Speaker 3: half a reception. He just has to get one reception.

3390
02:39:24,720 --> 02:39:28,240
Speaker 3: Seven of the past eight Seattle opponents have had a

3391
02:39:28,320 --> 02:39:31,040
Speaker 3: running back with three or more receptions. And get this one,

3392
02:39:31,320 --> 02:39:36,320
Speaker 3: seventeen of eighteen times against Seattle this year, a second

3393
02:39:36,440 --> 02:39:40,039
Speaker 3: running back has had at least one reception. That's Korum

3394
02:39:40,040 --> 02:39:42,200
Speaker 3: in this one. Those are the two props I like.

3395
02:39:42,600 --> 02:39:46,039
Speaker 3: I like the Rams to kind of have more of

3396
02:39:46,080 --> 02:39:48,360
Speaker 3: a ball control type offense. I don't think it's going

3397
02:39:48,440 --> 02:39:50,640
Speaker 3: to be huge Nakua game. I think you could see

3398
02:39:50,640 --> 02:39:54,440
Speaker 3: Devonte Adams factor in more as a red zone type

3399
02:39:54,440 --> 02:39:56,520
Speaker 3: of guy. But in the end, I know this was

3400
02:39:56,560 --> 02:39:58,880
Speaker 3: a theme a little bit we were talking about in December.

3401
02:40:00,120 --> 02:40:03,920
Speaker 3: All in Sam Donald's hands would terrify me. If I'm

3402
02:40:03,920 --> 02:40:07,520
Speaker 3: a Seattle backer or a Seattle fan, Well, yeah, absolutely terrified.

3403
02:40:07,640 --> 02:40:09,360
Speaker 2: I want to ask you about the running game with

3404
02:40:09,440 --> 02:40:14,840
Speaker 2: Seattle because we know that Mike McDonald said, which translates

3405
02:40:14,840 --> 02:40:17,960
Speaker 2: to Zach Charbaday is not playing in this game. So

3406
02:40:18,160 --> 02:40:20,680
Speaker 2: I mean, you've got one running back where they've been

3407
02:40:20,680 --> 02:40:23,800
Speaker 2: a two running back team all year long, and Kenneth Walker,

3408
02:40:23,879 --> 02:40:26,520
Speaker 2: I mean he has been a beast for the last

3409
02:40:26,560 --> 02:40:29,000
Speaker 2: half of the season after he got healthier.

3410
02:40:30,560 --> 02:40:34,040
Speaker 3: He definitely has, but he's been a beast as part

3411
02:40:34,080 --> 02:40:36,640
Speaker 3: of a two back tandem. And is this a guy

3412
02:40:36,680 --> 02:40:39,600
Speaker 3: who's gonna wear down in this type of a game?

3413
02:40:39,800 --> 02:40:41,200
Speaker 3: You know, these are the types of games when you

3414
02:40:41,240 --> 02:40:44,440
Speaker 3: get to the championship. Watch these defensive linemen. They don't

3415
02:40:44,480 --> 02:40:46,720
Speaker 3: take the number of plays off that they sometimes do

3416
02:40:47,120 --> 02:40:49,640
Speaker 3: during the season. Now, the flip side of that is

3417
02:40:49,879 --> 02:40:53,560
Speaker 3: you'll see these guys get gassed the latter part of

3418
02:40:53,600 --> 02:40:56,480
Speaker 3: the fourth quarter. We saw that against the Bears, more

3419
02:40:56,520 --> 02:40:59,080
Speaker 3: so you see in the regular season. And you know,

3420
02:40:59,280 --> 02:41:01,760
Speaker 3: you guys do take plays off. I know fans don't

3421
02:41:01,840 --> 02:41:03,440
Speaker 3: like to hear that, but they take Park you who

3422
02:41:03,480 --> 02:41:05,600
Speaker 3: plays off? Here when he gets to the playoffs, and

3423
02:41:05,680 --> 02:41:09,800
Speaker 3: I think Walker taking a huge volume of carries comparatively

3424
02:41:10,040 --> 02:41:13,000
Speaker 3: to what he has done, I don't know if that's

3425
02:41:13,040 --> 02:41:15,600
Speaker 3: gonna if he's gonna be as efficient and as effective.

3426
02:41:15,640 --> 02:41:18,800
Speaker 3: He's not the inside runner that Charbonay is. He's more

3427
02:41:18,800 --> 02:41:21,600
Speaker 3: of an outside zone runner. And the Rams are gonna

3428
02:41:21,600 --> 02:41:23,440
Speaker 3: be ready for that, and I think they're almost gonna

3429
02:41:23,800 --> 02:41:26,920
Speaker 3: tempt the Seahawks to try and run the ball inside

3430
02:41:27,200 --> 02:41:30,120
Speaker 3: with Kenneth Walker, and he's just not as effective and

3431
02:41:30,200 --> 02:41:33,520
Speaker 3: efficient running between the tackles as he is outside the tackle.

3432
02:41:33,600 --> 02:41:37,160
Speaker 1: So you see the Super Bowl Patriots Los Angeles.

3433
02:41:36,800 --> 02:41:42,119
Speaker 3: Rams for the third time, I see it as Patriots Rams.

3434
02:41:42,400 --> 02:41:44,520
Speaker 1: Listen, good luck on this one, Scott. We know you're

3435
02:41:44,520 --> 02:41:47,320
Speaker 1: gonna be pulling for your Patriots. Give him hell this weekend.

3436
02:41:47,320 --> 02:41:49,840
Speaker 1: We'll keep note of everything that you mentioned. We'll try

3437
02:41:49,879 --> 02:41:52,320
Speaker 1: to win a couple of bucks. And should I mention

3438
02:41:52,400 --> 02:41:54,480
Speaker 1: one more thing before we let you go real quick?

3439
02:41:54,840 --> 02:41:56,240
Speaker 1: When to cash out?

3440
02:41:58,480 --> 02:41:58,720
Speaker 8: Never?

3441
02:41:59,680 --> 02:41:59,880
Speaker 3: Never?

3442
02:42:00,840 --> 02:42:03,040
Speaker 10: Never? So I'm holding never cast.

3443
02:42:03,040 --> 02:42:05,120
Speaker 1: I got DraftKings, they got FanDuel, and they'll give me

3444
02:42:05,160 --> 02:42:07,720
Speaker 1: the option of giving me a couple of bucks to

3445
02:42:07,800 --> 02:42:11,199
Speaker 1: cash out? Should I? And when? Should I?

3446
02:42:11,400 --> 02:42:11,640
Speaker 10: Never?

3447
02:42:11,879 --> 02:42:14,760
Speaker 3: You should never catch. I'm serious because what they are.

3448
02:42:14,720 --> 02:42:17,480
Speaker 10: For you is very much in their favor.

3449
02:42:17,600 --> 02:42:20,440
Speaker 3: It's not in your favor, and the better thing to

3450
02:42:20,480 --> 02:42:22,760
Speaker 3: do is go to another book and just bet the

3451
02:42:22,760 --> 02:42:26,760
Speaker 3: other side. So, for example, let's say I'm serious about it.

3452
02:42:26,840 --> 02:42:29,800
Speaker 3: I'm dead serious about it. Let's say you take the

3453
02:42:30,080 --> 02:42:33,520
Speaker 3: Rams money line in game and you're getting them at

3454
02:42:33,760 --> 02:42:37,480
Speaker 3: plus one hundred. They won't offer you fair value. What

3455
02:42:37,520 --> 02:42:39,440
Speaker 3: you need to do is go to another book, or

3456
02:42:39,480 --> 02:42:42,279
Speaker 3: even that same book, and bet the Seahawks at plus

3457
02:42:42,320 --> 02:42:45,680
Speaker 3: one fifty. You're gonna get a better payoff at that point.

3458
02:42:45,800 --> 02:42:47,560
Speaker 3: I mean, you shouldn't do it at plus one fifty.

3459
02:42:47,680 --> 02:42:50,560
Speaker 3: Wait until it's like plus three hundred, and just put

3460
02:42:50,640 --> 02:42:54,600
Speaker 3: enough on it to when you're original stake back and

3461
02:42:55,080 --> 02:42:58,280
Speaker 3: go for a player. But if you're already in on it,

3462
02:42:58,800 --> 02:43:01,280
Speaker 3: the odds are in your favor. Whenever they offer you

3463
02:43:01,320 --> 02:43:05,039
Speaker 3: a cash out, they're offering you about a twenty five

3464
02:43:05,120 --> 02:43:09,120
Speaker 3: to thirty percent in their favor in terms of what

3465
02:43:09,160 --> 02:43:11,080
Speaker 3: the estimated value of that bad is.

3466
02:43:11,240 --> 02:43:11,720
Speaker 8: Good to know.

3467
02:43:12,160 --> 02:43:15,120
Speaker 2: Hey, Scott, By the way, your pick of the Rams

3468
02:43:15,160 --> 02:43:17,959
Speaker 2: being the Seahawks. Mike McDonald had a few words for you.

3469
02:43:17,959 --> 02:43:25,280
Speaker 2: You keep us, which which translates to f off.

3470
02:43:25,400 --> 02:43:28,680
Speaker 1: Okay, there you go, Hi Scott, A good weekend.

3471
02:43:28,720 --> 02:43:32,000
Speaker 10: I take care all right, enjoy the game, so thanks