1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:03,400 Speaker 1: And we continue at one oh five in the afternoon 2 00:00:03,480 --> 00:00:07,120 Speaker 1: on the John Phillips Show mister Randy Weggs in Culver City. 3 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 2: Will writes in it Johnny Don't like show at gmail 4 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:12,720 Speaker 2: dot com and says, if the sewer is filled with bombs, 5 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:16,080 Speaker 2: shouldn't my sewer feeb be removed from my DWP bell. 6 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:22,279 Speaker 1: That's a very good point. Eight hundred two two two 7 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 1: five two two two is telephone number one. Eight hundred 8 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 1: two two two five two two two. It is our 9 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: pleasure to welcome our next guest to the program. He 10 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:34,479 Speaker 1: is a candidate for the California State Senate in District 11 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:38,480 Speaker 1: twenty two, that is the San Gabriel Valley, West Covina 12 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:41,599 Speaker 1: and the like. You can get him online at Rebuild 13 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 1: California dot com and follow him on x at Netter 14 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 1: Mike Mike Netter. Welcome John. 15 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 3: It's a pleasure to be here today, especially in the 16 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 3: Fix California Hour, because it sure seems that our current 17 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 3: legislature isn't fixing much of anything. 18 00:00:58,040 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 4: Does it. 19 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 1: Well, let's go ahead and start with one issue that's 20 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:04,480 Speaker 1: becoming a write of passage for so many of the 21 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 1: candidates running for governor, and that is what to do 22 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 1: about the polluted Tiawana River. 23 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:12,119 Speaker 5: You can smell it right here. 24 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 1: Steve Hilton was the first one to go down there. 25 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 1: But then Katie Porter, America's sweetheart, decided that she would 26 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 1: take a tour and bring a camera crew with her. 27 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 1: That's when it got on our radar. But after she 28 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:30,120 Speaker 1: did it, Betty Yee, who is a candidate for governor 29 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:34,960 Speaker 1: as well, and others, and I believe Javier Bessera also 30 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 1: went down there and toward that river. They're all willing 31 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 1: to acknowledgence polluted. They're all willing to acknowledges disgusting, but 32 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:45,120 Speaker 1: they don't really have much to say about what to 33 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 1: do about it. 34 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 3: Your thoughts, Well, I used to live down in Imperial 35 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 3: Beach actually right on that strip in the early eighties. 36 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 4: Don't hold that against me. 37 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 3: And what's funny is that this has been going on 38 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 3: forty plus years. Okay, forty plus years. There is a 39 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 3: state sleugh as they call it, down there, a state 40 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 3: park right across the street from. 41 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 4: Where I used to live on the beach. Okay, this 42 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 4: isn't a new problem. 43 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 3: I'm glad it's getting a lot of political attention now, 44 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 3: but I still have friends in Imperial Beach who been 45 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 3: talking about. 46 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:23,799 Speaker 4: This for years. 47 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 3: And here's the reality of it. If the state legislature 48 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 3: I get that land down there is a hodgepodge of agencies. 49 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:35,919 Speaker 3: It's partially owned by a little bit the City of 50 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 3: the Imperial Beach, County of San Diego, a state park, 51 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 3: a federal and this just in the ocean, and the 52 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:46,800 Speaker 3: sewage really doesn't care. It flows all over the place. 53 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:50,800 Speaker 3: The problem for my friends, which I still have down there, 54 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 3: is there virtually isn't no one to call. 55 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 4: They can't just get something. They get great. 56 00:02:56,600 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 3: Politicians come down, they do a little bit of a 57 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:02,919 Speaker 3: photo shoot, they plug their nose. Katie Porter comes down. 58 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 3: I won't say what she might plug and leaves. Here's 59 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:10,959 Speaker 3: the reality. The legislature of California, a long time of go, 60 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 3: should have form. 61 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 4: And I want to do this when I. 62 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 3: Become state center a commission at least to act as 63 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:21,960 Speaker 3: a one stop shop so the citizens down there. Basically 64 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:25,079 Speaker 3: all government does right now is become a four to 65 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 3: one one for them. 66 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 4: Oh where's the pollution today? That's federal land. 67 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 3: Oh it's in your backyard, that's San Diego County land. 68 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 4: Good luck to you. 69 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 3: Oh, it's killing animals that state land. Good luck to 70 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 3: someone to call. This Legislature of California ought to beginning 71 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 3: together and at least forming a way for the citizens 72 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 3: who live down on that strip up to the Silver Strand, 73 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 3: so they have a number to call a legislature down 74 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 3: there that the person who's there is absolutely useless, and 75 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 3: that particular commission deals with the various agencies to at 76 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 3: least get their complaints in. 77 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 4: You don't have to be a. 78 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 3: Rocket scientist or a smell scientist. This has been going 79 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 3: on for forty years, and the frustration down there has 80 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:20,040 Speaker 3: always been there is virtually not one agency to call 81 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 3: or one person a call who can help at least 82 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 3: get when you see things happening, John Randy. 83 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:31,479 Speaker 4: When you live down there in the morning, you can 84 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:34,839 Speaker 4: see it flowing in. In addition to the sewage flowing in. 85 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 4: As I put out a video the other. 86 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:41,159 Speaker 3: Day, animal wildlife dies and is left there to rot 87 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:45,279 Speaker 3: for days on end on the beach in its state 88 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:48,720 Speaker 3: land federal land. There needs to be a state commission 89 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 3: form to lease so the people living there are able 90 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:57,039 Speaker 3: to voice their concerns to one agency who then handles 91 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:00,600 Speaker 3: this inner agency complaint. This finger pointing o back and 92 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:04,599 Speaker 3: forth literally in almost half a century that they have 93 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:07,040 Speaker 3: virtually done nothing about it is. 94 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 4: Appalling and disgusting. 95 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:13,720 Speaker 3: Whether environmentalists or not, no matter what you are, this problem, 96 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:19,480 Speaker 3: which is an international problem, California needs to take ownership 97 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 3: of it. 98 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 1: Why is it that in the second largest county in 99 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 1: the state of California, San Diego County, they have let 100 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:32,360 Speaker 1: this go on for this long in that condition because 101 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:35,720 Speaker 1: they have the political muscle to do something about it 102 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:38,920 Speaker 1: if they want to. Why do you think they just 103 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:40,719 Speaker 1: shrug their shoulders and move on. 104 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 3: It's a little bit I guess it sounds funny. It's 105 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:47,719 Speaker 3: a little bit like homelessness. Because they fused the refused 106 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 3: to put somebody actually in charge of it, it's easier 107 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 3: for the elected officials to point the other way. There's 108 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:58,559 Speaker 3: a big border problem down there which has taking place. 109 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:01,680 Speaker 3: You may have not heard this before Biden administration, where 110 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:05,159 Speaker 3: it's easy to cross when the tide is low each day, 111 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 3: and when the tide is low, people could cross and 112 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:11,279 Speaker 3: Felucia could come in, and nobody really wants to take 113 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 3: ownership of it. It's not an easy problem to solve, 114 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 3: but the reason that no one has solved it is 115 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:20,840 Speaker 3: no one is willing up and put someone in. 116 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 4: Charge of ownership. It's a little bit like Homo, says John. 117 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 4: I know that sounds kind of funny when I put. 118 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 3: It that way, But if you don't have, as we 119 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:31,279 Speaker 3: used to say, one throat to choke wants somebody to 120 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 3: call as you see it happening, and for anybody down there, 121 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 3: it's nice again to make a nice little photo stop. 122 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:42,159 Speaker 3: Go down there and spend twenty forty forty eight hours 123 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 3: and you can watch the points where it comes in. 124 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 3: They could do diversionary tactics by getting some agencies together 125 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 3: to do a little bit of the natural diversion of water. 126 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:58,280 Speaker 3: Let the federal government deal with what's happening in Mexico. 127 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 4: This is not a new issue. 128 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 3: It bubbles up once again about every five or six years, 129 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 3: oddly enough when there's an election taking place. But Distinct 130 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 3: has to kind of take a bit of ownership of 131 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 3: it because that big slew is it's called it's a 132 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 3: state park across the street from the beach, and that's 133 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 3: where the pollution is. 134 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 4: Flowing into that stinks. 135 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 3: That's where it sits and resides in an actual state park, 136 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 3: and gee, they found the money to put up a 137 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 3: nice little building where you can go and see pictures 138 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 3: of all the wildlife which used to be alive. But 139 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 3: they can't seem to find the money to even establish 140 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 3: a commission, a hotline or all get together to find 141 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 3: a way to divert the actual sewage, raw sewage which 142 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 3: flows in every day. 143 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 4: And if people would bother to get down there at 144 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 4: five or six in the morning like we used to, 145 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 4: you could see it flowing. You could see it moving 146 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 4: back and forth. 147 00:07:55,960 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 3: The state owns that park where the sewage resides, and 148 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 3: they don't want to admit it. 149 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 1: Or speaking with Mike Netterer, who you can follow on 150 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 1: x at netter Bink, Mike, let's shift gears here and 151 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 1: talk about the bombshell discovery that we learned about in 152 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 1: San Francisco. It was caught on tape where you had 153 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 1: advocates going to advocates for various statewide ballot propositions, going 154 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 1: to homeless people and paying them to sign petitions to 155 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 1: get these initiatives on the ballot. Frequently they were paying 156 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:33,320 Speaker 1: them to sign the petitions not as themselves but as 157 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 1: another registered voter. Somewhere else in the state of California, 158 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 1: who never gave them consent to put their name on 159 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:44,199 Speaker 1: the petition. This is something I'm sure or if there 160 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:48,200 Speaker 1: wasn't video evidence that we had, would be denied. But 161 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 1: you have it right there in front of your face, 162 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 1: if you want to watch the video. We had them, 163 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:55,839 Speaker 1: gentlemen on who was the one who was taking the video? JJ? 164 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 1: I believe his name was right. And it's something certainly 165 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 1: that is not legal, it's certainly not ethical, but it's 166 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 1: something that clearly goes on in California politics all the time. 167 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 4: And by the way, I know, JJ's a fantastic man. 168 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 4: He runs around taking pictures. James will Keith then jumped 169 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:19,959 Speaker 4: on saw it in LA And another thing that wants 170 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:22,560 Speaker 4: me to quote yell at the interview, not yelling you 171 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 4: and Randy, but yelling at the fact. 172 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 3: I don't think people realize how dangerous this is. Of 173 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 3: all the things we talk about in the election, my 174 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 3: roots and politics being in the recall, here's the reality 175 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 3: of it. And again I was just evolved in the 176 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 3: top fifty case which relates to this. 177 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:41,679 Speaker 4: Oddly enough, once. 178 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 3: The unions take this money and they funnel it into 179 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 3: the nngos and get these signatures, and they get these 180 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 3: initiatives on the ballot and these unions. It's just shocking, 181 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:57,960 Speaker 3: and the groups behind this are pretty smart. These signatures 182 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:01,960 Speaker 3: are turned in. Then when they turn the legit signatures first, 183 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 3: which a lot of people don't know, they do a 184 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 3: ten percent. They do a random check and as long 185 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 3: as the most of the initial signatures, which will be 186 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 3: the legal ones, past the random check, they then will 187 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:15,840 Speaker 3: randomly check the rest of them. 188 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 4: And here's the danger. 189 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:22,679 Speaker 3: These then get on the ballot. These propositions get on 190 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 3: the ballot. Then the unions will go forth and make 191 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 3: sure that they pass even though they were not legally signed. 192 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 3: And all of a sudden, we have laws that most 193 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 3: of us don't agree to. And once they're passed, okay, 194 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 3: the courts are going to be very reluctant to overturn them, 195 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:49,320 Speaker 3: even though the signatures required illegally. Again, one of the 196 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 3: reasons I'm running for state senator is immediately what the 197 00:10:54,559 --> 00:11:00,720 Speaker 3: legislatures do is scream, stop those petitions one hundred percent 198 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:04,839 Speaker 3: and start over. Because we know this action has been 199 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 3: taking place on the street for a long time. JJ 200 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:11,080 Speaker 3: caught it and film in San Francisco. O'Keefe caught it 201 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 3: on film in Los Angeles. It's probably taking place in 202 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:18,200 Speaker 3: other parts of the state. If the state legislature has 203 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:22,840 Speaker 3: had guts and wasn't cited necessarily with the people trying 204 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:25,720 Speaker 3: to get their initials on the ballot, which are blatantly 205 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 3: define the law right in front of our face, they 206 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 3: would immediately demand that those petitions be suspended that they're 207 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 3: gathering signatures for you, because I guarantee those petitions. 208 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 4: Are not stopping tax sikes. They're doing things we should 209 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:45,680 Speaker 4: raise taxes and help the left make a better life 210 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:49,559 Speaker 4: for themselves, not a better life for the people of California. 211 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 3: It's corruption in plane sight. And John Phillips, I got 212 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:56,599 Speaker 3: a question for you, where the heck is the outrage 213 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:59,679 Speaker 3: on that? They can the legislature can be outraged about 214 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 3: certain people not taking place in the debate and writing 215 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:07,080 Speaker 3: a letter for that to upset yesterday, but they shouldn't 216 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 3: seem too concerned with about prime election trying taking place 217 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 3: on the streets of the two biggest cities in California. 218 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 3: The legislation needs to grow a pair of you know 219 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 3: what and get up and do something about that. Immediately, 220 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 3: because once these get too far down the road and 221 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 3: the horses out of the barn, it is going to 222 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 3: be incredibly hard to overturn these things. Even though we 223 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 3: know they're stolen goods, as we like. 224 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:38,319 Speaker 1: To say, I don't think they're aware of or seem 225 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:41,960 Speaker 1: to care that when stories like this come out, it 226 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 1: does so much damage to the credibility of free and 227 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 1: fair elections in California with the population that lives here, 228 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:55,200 Speaker 1: to the point to where I think people just disengage 229 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:57,959 Speaker 1: from the process if they don't see it as being fair. 230 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 1: If you think that your vote isn't going to count, 231 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 1: or you think the system is rigged so that the 232 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:07,320 Speaker 1: people who are powerful get what they want, then why 233 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:10,839 Speaker 1: you even bother with it. We have very low participation 234 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 1: in politics here in California to begin with. Part of 235 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:16,680 Speaker 1: it is because so many people are from other places. 236 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 1: They're from other states, they're from other countries. They feel 237 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:21,960 Speaker 1: like they don't have skin in the game in a 238 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 1: way where you're going to the same school as your 239 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 1: mom and your grandma and your great grandma and that 240 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 1: sort of thing. But the state of California could rain 241 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:33,960 Speaker 1: this in if they want to. They're the ones that 242 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 1: choose not to. And it drives people crazy because who 243 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 1: was it Judge Judy who used to say, if it 244 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 1: doesn't make sense, it didn't happen. And you see certain 245 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 1: things regarding our elections in California where you go, hmm, 246 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:51,440 Speaker 1: there are more votes cast than people. That doesn't make sense. 247 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 1: And they go, well, you're a conspiracy theorist and you 248 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 1: don't know how this actually works, and what you're saying 249 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:01,439 Speaker 1: is not true and all your our concerns are unfounded, 250 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 1: and you should put tinfoil hat tinfoil hats on your 251 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:08,440 Speaker 1: head and that sort of thing. And then something like 252 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 1: this pops up and you know, you know, Mike that 253 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 1: if there wasn't video evidence of this happening, they would 254 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 1: flat out deny it and claim that you are Alex Jones. 255 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 4: Here's the really scary part. They look, we work with 256 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 4: Susan Shelley, we'll work with Carl Demayo, and so do 257 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 4: you to get this stuff on the ballot. And I 258 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 4: really and they look, some of these legislatures on the left, 259 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 4: aren't that stupid? They know that this will suppress the 260 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 4: vote and for the people that have busted their posterior 261 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 4: I'll let you fill in the word legally inethically to 262 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 4: get save Prop thirteen and voter ID on the ballot. 263 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 4: How do you think we feel knowing that a lot 264 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 4: of people who aren't involved in these lumbers are going 265 00:14:56,720 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 4: to go. 266 00:14:57,080 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 3: I'm not gonna vote because I see this video, ev 267 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 3: And what's the point? I actually think, conscious or unconscious, 268 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 3: it's almost part. 269 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 4: Of a plot. 270 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 3: Despite did they say, oh, you're suppressing democracy on the right. No, 271 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 3: you on the left know exactly what you're doing. If not, 272 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 3: why wouldn't those legislators when they see the video evidence 273 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 3: be raising the groupe. 274 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 4: I guarantee you, John Phillips that if the left caught 275 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 4: a video of you, me and Randy doing some illegal 276 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 4: they would be writing letters and be on TV. Randy 277 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 4: raved about it. But oddly enough they don't want it's 278 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 4: their people doing it. Strange, isn't it? 279 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 1: Well, what's wild to me is they're the first ones 280 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 1: to jump up and scream rigged elections. Katie Porter did 281 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 1: it when she lost the US Senate race to Adam Schiff, 282 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 1: and she got in trouble for it, but she did 283 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 1: it in Texas. Jasmine Crockett did the same thing. She 284 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 1: said that the election was rigged in Dallas County and 285 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 1: that's why she lost that Democratic primary. Yet none of 286 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 1: them want any sort of guardrails, whether it is photo 287 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 1: ID or requesting an absentee ballot or anything that you 288 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 1: can come up with that would produce a free and 289 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 1: fair election. They're against it for one reason or another. Well, 290 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 1: you can't have it both ways. You can't say no 291 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 1: to any guard rails and then claim that the election 292 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 1: was rigged anytime the results don't go your way. 293 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 3: Right, And this actually goes beyond even the guard rails 294 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 3: we're trying to establish, which makes sense. These are actual 295 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 3: guard rails which are already established by that California Constitution. 296 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 4: For all the Democratic friends out there, try to get 297 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 4: a copy and read it sometime. We're not supposed to 298 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 4: pay to get signatures and register people illegally. These aren't 299 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 4: even things we're trying to establish. 300 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 3: And if I sound extra hot and heavy today, because 301 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 3: during the recall, I was accused of all kinds of 302 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:53,520 Speaker 3: breaking the law. And we're like, we are actually following 303 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:57,480 Speaker 3: the law that was established by the liberals many moons ago. 304 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 3: We are asking right now on these petitions follow the law, 305 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 3: so we could try to get new laws made which 306 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:08,919 Speaker 3: makes sense, not new laws made which makes no sense. 307 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 3: That you're trying to pull one over in the public. 308 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 3: You have to stop it at it's a point of initiation. 309 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:18,680 Speaker 3: And that's really scares me about these petition signatures. They 310 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 3: haven't even gotten on the ballet yet, and once they 311 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:24,359 Speaker 3: get on the ballot, that horse is galloping down the path. 312 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:29,480 Speaker 1: John Phillips Mike Netter candidate for California State Senate in 313 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 1: District twenty two that is the San Gabriel Valley. And 314 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:37,320 Speaker 1: you can get him online and rebuild a California dot 315 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:41,120 Speaker 1: com and follow him on x at Netter Mike, Mike Netter, 316 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 1: thanks so much for stopping by. 317 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 4: Quite a pleasure. 318 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:49,440 Speaker 1: Let's go to Paul in San Francisco. Paul, Hello, hero. 319 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:53,639 Speaker 6: Regarding homeless, if one would look at a website from 320 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 6: the Stay of California about the homeless, one would never 321 00:17:56,680 --> 00:18:00,399 Speaker 6: see any enterical lovelace about how long the almost have 322 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:04,120 Speaker 6: lived here, what job they had, did they have utility bills? 323 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 6: Did they have a telephone number? Did they pay rent? 324 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:10,120 Speaker 6: You will never see any of that. All the information 325 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:13,439 Speaker 6: is self reported from the homeless, which means nothing. 326 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:17,159 Speaker 1: So as I could say, what was it that Harry 327 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:20,879 Speaker 1: Truman used to say? There's lies, damn lies and statistics. 328 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:25,240 Speaker 1: If they're the ones in charge of publishing the statistics, 329 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 1: they're going to tell whatever story they want to tell, 330 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 1: whether it's true or not. Based on the lived experience 331 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:34,120 Speaker 1: of all of us who live here in the state 332 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 1: of California, we know that the homeless population has exploded 333 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:41,160 Speaker 1: from where it used to be not that long ago. 334 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:44,359 Speaker 1: They can deny it, and they can put up phony 335 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 1: statistics that prove their arguments to be true. None of 336 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:49,480 Speaker 1: us who actually live here believe it. 337 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:53,480 Speaker 6: And when I grew up here in San Francisco, of 338 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 6: those people are homeless or considered pumps, and there's a 339 00:18:57,040 --> 00:19:01,399 Speaker 6: big definition are different and a bumb and some of 340 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:01,960 Speaker 6: your homeworks. 341 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:06,119 Speaker 1: All right, thank you for the call, Sir, eight hundred 342 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:09,399 Speaker 1: two two two five two two two. 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And apparently if a public defender 370 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 2: says they're not taking a case, the case can get 371 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:43,680 Speaker 2: thrown out. 372 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 1: How the hell does that happen. 373 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 2: Well, there's one judge even in San Francisco, who says 374 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:56,119 Speaker 2: enough of that, holding the public defender in contempt for 375 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:58,919 Speaker 2: refusing to do their job. And by the way, the 376 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 2: heads of these offices make hundreds and hundreds of thousands 377 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 2: of dollars. Sure, the on theline public defenders probably make 378 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:08,639 Speaker 2: only a couple hundred bucks to defend a case. But 379 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:12,119 Speaker 2: the person who's paid by the city or the county 380 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 2: to run your public defender's office, they get paid a 381 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:17,879 Speaker 2: ton of money. So we got to really do a 382 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:20,159 Speaker 2: whole lot of work in figuring out who these people 383 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 2: are and make sure they're not ideo logue. Everyone should 384 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:26,200 Speaker 2: get out of prison nut jobs, because that's what we've 385 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 2: got in San Francisco. Here is a report from NBC 386 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 2: in the Bay. 387 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:34,399 Speaker 7: Twenty six counts of contempt of court at a twenty 388 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 7: six thousand dollars fine. That is the penalty as San 389 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 7: Francisco judge is ordered for the city's public defender, p Dmano. 390 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 7: Rogers says his office is overwhelmed with cases and has 391 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 7: been refusing some new ones. 392 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:49,359 Speaker 1: How can you do that because you know it's going 393 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:53,040 Speaker 1: to result in people not going to jail and your 394 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:56,200 Speaker 1: office not having to work to make that happen. If 395 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 1: there's a loophole that you can exploit that's much easier 396 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 1: and faster, why not do it? 397 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:04,960 Speaker 7: Atadio Kntana reports, the judge said the public defender could 398 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 7: take more cases, but is choosing not to. 399 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 2: You know, there was a time where the public defender 400 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 2: was people just getting started in the criminal justice world. 401 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 2: There was a time where the public defender was checked 402 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 2: out attorneys that aren't really good enough to be in 403 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:21,680 Speaker 2: a law firm, so they're like, okay, let's just settle. Nowadays, 404 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 2: there are people that choose to go into the world 405 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 2: a public defender because they are full on criminal justice 406 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 2: reform advocates, and they are very dangerous. 407 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:36,200 Speaker 1: Well, and here's something else too, And these judges choose 408 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 1: to do it when they want to and choose not 409 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 1: to do it when they want to. But one of 410 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:45,359 Speaker 1: my best friends is a judge in Orange County. And 411 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:48,120 Speaker 1: let me tell you, as much as I love her 412 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 1: and as much as I'm so happy that she is 413 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:53,359 Speaker 1: one of my closest friends. I would not want to 414 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:56,720 Speaker 1: be one of her children, because she could look at 415 00:22:56,760 --> 00:23:00,119 Speaker 1: you as you're telling her something and instantly know if 416 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 1: you're lying or not. I don't know how she got 417 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 1: these special powers, but she has a BS detector like 418 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 1: I've never seen before, probably because she spends her entire 419 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:15,440 Speaker 1: life sitting in a room where everyone lies to her, 420 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:19,400 Speaker 1: and she notices patterns, and she picks up on certain things, 421 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:23,200 Speaker 1: and she's always right. Whenever you're trying to figure out 422 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 1: if someone's telling a tale or someone's being truthful, I 423 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 1: go directly to her. And it looks like this judge 424 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:36,919 Speaker 1: in this particular instance, understood that the public defender was 425 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 1: feeding him BS, and this judge called them out. 426 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 8: The for today's hearing, public defender Manol Raju rallied a 427 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 8: loud group of supporters. 428 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 1: Wait, isn't he the political reporter on CNN? 429 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:54,600 Speaker 2: Different guy, that's Manu Raju. This is Monol Raju. 430 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 1: He and I used to be coworkers and we had 431 00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:58,199 Speaker 1: many drinks together. 432 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:02,080 Speaker 8: The for today's hearing, public defender Monau Raju rallied a 433 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 8: loud group of supporters, mostly staff from his office. 434 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:12,440 Speaker 2: So they were paid to be there. Yes, his employees 435 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 2: rallied around him. Even in San Francisco, there's not a 436 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:17,919 Speaker 2: whole lot of people with the free time to go 437 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:21,239 Speaker 2: stand outside and rally for the public defender to not 438 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:22,159 Speaker 2: do his job. 439 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 1: How is that even legal? Where you tell your employees 440 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:31,479 Speaker 1: to go out and protest with you people who depend 441 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:35,439 Speaker 1: on you for their w two political activities are supposed 442 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:36,160 Speaker 1: to be separate. 443 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:40,200 Speaker 8: And several fellow chief public defenders from other counties, they 444 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 8: all say they're overloaded with cases and the other side 445 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 8: is outspending them. 446 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:45,560 Speaker 1: The district attorney. 447 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:49,240 Speaker 2: It's not a spending race, is What are the das 448 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 2: supposed to do? Not file charges when an arrest is 449 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:56,720 Speaker 2: made because oh, the public defenders are overworked. That doesn't 450 00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 2: make any sense. 451 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:02,800 Speaker 9: Nope, Sue Attorney's office US thirty nine million dollars more 452 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:04,760 Speaker 9: than the public defender's office in San Francisco. 453 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:06,919 Speaker 2: That's what this is about. He wants more money. 454 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:09,480 Speaker 1: Oh sure, that's what it's always about. 455 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 9: In addition to criminal defense, we also defend immigrants against 456 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 9: deportation against federal authorities. We also provide mental health advocacy 457 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 9: for people. 458 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 2: It sounds like your office is doing too much. 459 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, why don't you dial some of that back. 460 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:26,679 Speaker 9: In mental health court with the city Attorney on the 461 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 9: other side. 462 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 8: Chief public defenders from other counties all agreed their offices 463 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 8: are facing similar case loads. They're feeling the effects of 464 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:37,120 Speaker 8: recent tough run crime priorities at many DA's offices. 465 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:39,159 Speaker 2: He wants to go back to the good old days 466 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:42,439 Speaker 2: of Chase Aboudin where we just didn't charge anybody and 467 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 2: the Public Defender's office got to sit there and do nothing. 468 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:46,919 Speaker 1: God help us. 469 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 8: They're feeling the effects of recent tough run crime priorities 470 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 8: at many DA's offices. 471 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,600 Speaker 10: Because I think our felony filings were up six hundred 472 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:57,159 Speaker 10: just in the last few years. Each year is up 473 00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,480 Speaker 10: six hundred from what it was before our new DA 474 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:00,320 Speaker 10: to effect. 475 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 4: Two years ago. 476 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 2: By the way, Brooke Jenkins, there's your ad for reelection. 477 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 10: I think our felony filings were up six hundred just 478 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,200 Speaker 10: in the last two years. Each year is up six 479 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 10: hundred from what it was before our new DA to 480 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:19,119 Speaker 10: effect two years ago. So they're getting more people in 481 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,920 Speaker 10: order to prosecute, but we're not getting enough to defend them. 482 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 8: Public Defenders' offices do not take all of the cases 483 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 8: that das Prosecute representatives from San Francisco, San Joaquin, and 484 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:31,639 Speaker 8: Alameda County say they take about seventy to eighty percent 485 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:33,680 Speaker 8: of the cases in may Raju. 486 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 2: What does that tell you about most of the people 487 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 2: that are getting arrested for the repeat offenses over and 488 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:42,000 Speaker 2: over and over again their destitute. 489 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 1: These are homeless people, These are drug addicts. These are 490 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,720 Speaker 1: people who are committing the same crimes over and over 491 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:50,560 Speaker 1: and over again. And not only is it costing us 492 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:54,119 Speaker 1: money to deal with all of the fallout of a 493 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:57,440 Speaker 1: lawless city, but we're also paying for their criminal defense 494 00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:58,840 Speaker 1: time and time and time again. 495 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 8: It's also claw ugging up the courts in may Raju 496 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:07,399 Speaker 8: decided to refuse taking certain cases, citing heavy workloads for 497 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 8: his office. Private attorneys were assigned through the San Francisco 498 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:14,280 Speaker 8: Bar Association, but then they began refusing cases after a 499 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:14,879 Speaker 8: few months. 500 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 2: Nobody wants to represent these homeless people, would you. 501 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 8: Private attorneys were assigned through the San Francisco Bar Association, 502 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 8: but then they began refusing cases after a few months. 503 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:30,040 Speaker 8: Late last year, Superior Court Judge Harry S. Dorfmann convened 504 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:33,480 Speaker 8: a hearing on this issue, and in January he found 505 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,840 Speaker 8: that the Public Defender's office does have capacity to take 506 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:37,560 Speaker 8: these cases. 507 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:39,679 Speaker 2: Oh so the public Defender's full of it. 508 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:43,760 Speaker 1: You know what happens the homeless people that we've just 509 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,400 Speaker 1: described that steal from the right a, that steal from 510 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,720 Speaker 1: the cvs, that steal from the mom and pops, the 511 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:53,480 Speaker 1: frequent flyers. These are people who are out of their mind. 512 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,719 Speaker 1: They're either on drugs or mentally ill. And if you're 513 00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,680 Speaker 1: their attorney, you have to go meet with them, which 514 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,840 Speaker 1: means they harass the living hell out of you, and 515 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:06,120 Speaker 1: they stink and they curse at you, and they call 516 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:09,679 Speaker 1: you every slur in the book, and they're disrespectful, and 517 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,320 Speaker 1: they don't care about your time. And if you do 518 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,800 Speaker 1: a good job for them and get them a sweet 519 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:18,680 Speaker 1: deal or even get them off on the charges, they 520 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 1: don't thank you. They just abuse you. I can't imagine 521 00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:26,240 Speaker 1: doing that job, but that's a huge part of it. 522 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,840 Speaker 1: And I'm sure there are certain people they know are 523 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:33,199 Speaker 1: the problem children and they don't want any part of them. 524 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,720 Speaker 1: But guess what, that's the job. Do you think if 525 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,040 Speaker 1: you work at the Department of Sanitation for the City 526 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,640 Speaker 1: of Los Angeles, You'm going to go into the sewer 527 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:45,280 Speaker 1: and clean app after the sewer people. But it's the job. 528 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,480 Speaker 1: It's the job description. You knew that when you signed 529 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,640 Speaker 1: up for it. So buck up, Buttercup. 530 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:55,240 Speaker 8: And order the office to do so. But since that order, 531 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,280 Speaker 8: the Public Defender's office has refused to take on twenty 532 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:02,360 Speaker 8: six separate cases. Today, Judge Dorfmann decided that each one 533 00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:05,760 Speaker 8: of those is a separate contempt of court charge with 534 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,160 Speaker 8: a one thousand dollars fine each. 535 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,240 Speaker 2: Now does he get paid, have to pay that personally 536 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:12,880 Speaker 2: or does that come out of the department? 537 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:14,800 Speaker 1: Good question. 538 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,960 Speaker 8: San Francisco District Attorney Brook Jenkins agrees with the judge's decision. 539 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:22,880 Speaker 11: Not only did the court conduct a comprehensive hearing of 540 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:26,040 Speaker 11: the staffing and the workload levels at the Public Defender's office, 541 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:29,360 Speaker 11: but we had the Controller's office to an audit and 542 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,280 Speaker 11: they drafted a report, both of which reached the same 543 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:36,400 Speaker 11: conclusion that they have sufficient staff to deal with the 544 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:37,560 Speaker 11: caseloads that they have. 545 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:41,800 Speaker 8: During today's hearing, Public Defender Raju's attorney asked the judge 546 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:44,120 Speaker 8: to put the fine on hold while they appealed. 547 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 2: Wait a second, The Public defender hired a private attorney. 548 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:48,680 Speaker 2: Why didn't he use a public defender? 549 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,520 Speaker 1: Boy? Is everyone just trying to run up the bills 550 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:52,640 Speaker 1: as much as possible? 551 00:29:53,200 --> 00:30:02,000 Speaker 2: Well, this is the legal system. 552 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:01,480 Speaker 8: To put the fine on hold while they Judge Dorfmann 553 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:04,400 Speaker 8: refused and gave Raju ten business days to pay it 554 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,920 Speaker 8: in San Francisco, said Hugintana NBC Bayer your news. 555 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:11,120 Speaker 2: There is the latest on the fight going on between 556 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 2: the County of San Francisco, the DA's office, and the 557 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:20,440 Speaker 2: public defender who refuses to do his job yet he 558 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:23,960 Speaker 2: wants to get paid for it. Eight hundred two two 559 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:27,440 Speaker 2: two five two two two is jellphone number one eight 560 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:31,160 Speaker 2: hundred two two two five two two two. If you'd 561 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,000 Speaker 2: like to email the show, you can do so at 562 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:36,520 Speaker 2: Johnny don't like show at gmail dot com. Johnny, don't 563 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:38,840 Speaker 2: like show at gmail dot com. 564 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,240 Speaker 1: All right. Earlier in the program, we told you about 565 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:47,160 Speaker 1: the sewer people in South LA. And a few months 566 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:51,800 Speaker 1: ago we did a story also in South LA about 567 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:57,000 Speaker 1: a particular intersection where individuals would go in the middle 568 00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:01,560 Speaker 1: of the night and dump off a long large amount 569 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:06,320 Speaker 1: of rotting pork like pallettes and palettes and palettes of 570 00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:11,240 Speaker 1: unused ribs and roasts and chops just sitting out there 571 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 1: in the middle of the street, and it would take 572 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,480 Speaker 1: the city forever, but eventually they'd go clean it up, 573 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,960 Speaker 1: and then the next day someone would be by in 574 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:24,440 Speaker 1: the middle of the night and dump another large amount 575 00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:25,360 Speaker 1: of rotting pork. 576 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:27,840 Speaker 2: You know, Katie, I think that's where you might want 577 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:28,920 Speaker 2: to shoot your next video. 578 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:30,480 Speaker 4: You can smell it right here. 579 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,360 Speaker 1: And the people in the neighborhood were really upset, as 580 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,640 Speaker 1: you could understand, but the government gave them no help. 581 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,480 Speaker 1: It was an unincorporated part of South La so Holly 582 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:48,040 Speaker 1: Mitchell was their de facto mayor, which meant that nothing happened, 583 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:52,760 Speaker 1: quite frankly. And now it looks like something similar is 584 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:57,520 Speaker 1: now going on in the Bay area. Well similar in 585 00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:01,120 Speaker 1: that we're talking about rotting meat, but it's it's a very, very, 586 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:05,640 Speaker 1: very different story. This is the story of a restaurant 587 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:09,720 Speaker 1: that accidentally had an instacart sent to their establishment when 588 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,480 Speaker 1: nobody was there, so they dropped off the meat in 589 00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:18,000 Speaker 1: front of the restaurant to just sit there. Uh oh 590 00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:21,160 Speaker 1: from mar Here's NBC in the Bay Great Setup. 591 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:25,080 Speaker 12: New eleven, a San Francisco restaurant, is responding tonight to 592 00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:29,440 Speaker 12: this photo circulating on social media. Look carefully, it shows 593 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:34,200 Speaker 12: pounds of meat left outside of the shop doors during 594 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,680 Speaker 12: an unseasonably warm weekend. 595 00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:38,440 Speaker 2: Now the old well, maybe they're just going for a 596 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:39,440 Speaker 2: real slow cook. 597 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:44,200 Speaker 1: Maybe this is an advertisement from peta warm weekend. 598 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:47,000 Speaker 12: Now, the owner of the restaurant says, there's an explanation 599 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:50,040 Speaker 12: to all of this. Nbc'sgvang has the details. 600 00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:53,880 Speaker 5: You could call it somewhat of a rare site. 601 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:58,320 Speaker 2: Pap get it. We're gonna have a little fun today, 602 00:32:58,320 --> 00:32:59,360 Speaker 2: don't we. 603 00:32:59,400 --> 00:32:59,760 Speaker 1: Why not? 604 00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:03,600 Speaker 13: You could call it somewhat of a rare site package 605 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,160 Speaker 13: raw beef and a jar of mayonnaise. 606 00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:11,680 Speaker 1: Oh no, oh, come on, you can smell it right here. 607 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:16,960 Speaker 2: Getting a lot of use out of that drop might 608 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,000 Speaker 2: be the winner. In twenty twenty six. 609 00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:22,760 Speaker 5: It's on the pavement outside. 610 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,960 Speaker 2: I don't know. It's between her and this bot Bonta. 611 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:29,920 Speaker 2: That's my favorite. I'm going with our girl, Katie. 612 00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:31,680 Speaker 5: You can smell it right here. 613 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,840 Speaker 13: It's on the pavement outside the Mission District location of 614 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,080 Speaker 13: Hamburger project on Guerrero and eighteen. 615 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,440 Speaker 2: A reddit use, Well, that's one the interesting project they're 616 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:42,040 Speaker 2: doing there, I'll say. 617 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:46,440 Speaker 13: A Reddit user captured the initial image yesterday posting raw 618 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:48,880 Speaker 13: hamburger left in the sun on the sidewalk. 619 00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:52,440 Speaker 1: You you was right. 620 00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:55,920 Speaker 13: Joven works at the corner store across the street. He 621 00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,560 Speaker 13: says he saw the delivery driver knock for a bit, 622 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:00,280 Speaker 13: but the restaurant was closed. 623 00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:02,880 Speaker 10: So I asked him, you can drop in the store 624 00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,400 Speaker 10: because I work in the neighborhood over there in front 625 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:07,720 Speaker 10: of that. So he just said no, I'm not allowed 626 00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:08,080 Speaker 10: to do that. 627 00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:10,160 Speaker 13: Joe Ven says that's when the driver left the ground 628 00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:12,960 Speaker 13: beef on the sidewalk and sent the owner this message 629 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:14,479 Speaker 13: saying he didn't have time to wait. 630 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:17,279 Speaker 1: How convenient. 631 00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,600 Speaker 2: You got to be real careful of when you schedule 632 00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:25,640 Speaker 2: those instacart deliveries because chances are they have something that's 633 00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:27,840 Speaker 2: not shelf stable, and if they're going to leave it 634 00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:29,760 Speaker 2: out in the sun, you're screwed. 635 00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:32,359 Speaker 1: And so is everyone else in the neighborhood. 636 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,279 Speaker 5: The owner told me over the phone he was horrified. 637 00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:37,640 Speaker 13: He said they ran out of meat because of a 638 00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:41,200 Speaker 13: busier than usual Friday and Saturday, likely because of the 639 00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:43,560 Speaker 13: warm weather. Since he was out of town, he ordered 640 00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:47,600 Speaker 13: more via instacart. He says the delivery arrived early before 641 00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:49,240 Speaker 13: any of his employees showed up. 642 00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:56,120 Speaker 2: And hilarity ensued. Sometimes you got to meet that delivery guy. 643 00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,480 Speaker 2: This actually happened to me one Now. I wasn't ordering 644 00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:01,200 Speaker 2: any raw meat, but my wife and I did an 645 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,799 Speaker 2: instacart when we were in New Mexico, and we were 646 00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:06,320 Speaker 2: expecting it to be at the house at five o'clock. 647 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,400 Speaker 2: So we were enjoying a happy hour drink down the 648 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:12,440 Speaker 2: road at four o'clock and all of a sudden, I 649 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,440 Speaker 2: get all these notifications. The driver's on his way. The 650 00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,160 Speaker 2: driver's on his way, and we were still mid drink. 651 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:21,880 Speaker 2: So that's when my wife said, you're getting up, and 652 00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,040 Speaker 2: you're going and putting that stuff inside the house, and 653 00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:30,200 Speaker 2: I'm going to have another drink. So I hoofed it 654 00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:33,520 Speaker 2: down there, loaded everything in the house, got back and 655 00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:38,160 Speaker 2: had time for one more happy hour drink. True story, but. 656 00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:41,080 Speaker 13: An instacart spokesporus and said the delivery was made within 657 00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:45,000 Speaker 13: the customer selected delivery window, and the driver made attempts 658 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:48,480 Speaker 13: to communicate with a customer upon arrival. When warpers did 659 00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:51,240 Speaker 13: arrive more than half an hour later, Hamburger. 660 00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:52,680 Speaker 5: Project says they tossed the products. 661 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,239 Speaker 13: The restaurant put out this statement saying, in part we 662 00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,960 Speaker 13: take food safety extremely seriously and they. 663 00:35:57,800 --> 00:35:59,160 Speaker 2: Were never going to sell that meat. 664 00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:04,160 Speaker 1: Imagine if they did, the letter in the window would 665 00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:06,520 Speaker 1: just tell you what kind of heppatitis you're going to get. 666 00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:10,040 Speaker 13: Already updated, our delivery procedure is to ensure this does 667 00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:11,200 Speaker 13: not happen again. 668 00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,360 Speaker 3: It was just like it was like three packs of 669 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:17,080 Speaker 3: like brummy and then just like a man. 670 00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:19,040 Speaker 12: I mean, that's that's the reason. 671 00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:19,680 Speaker 1: What's throw it out? 672 00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:20,440 Speaker 5: I mean, yeah. 673 00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,319 Speaker 13: The post has garnered more than three thousand up or 674 00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:25,200 Speaker 13: down votes and nearly six hundreds, and. 675 00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:27,359 Speaker 2: I bet the comments are all super catty because it's 676 00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:27,680 Speaker 2: read it. 677 00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:32,880 Speaker 1: You know, when I'm in foreign countries, especially the shady ones, 678 00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:38,120 Speaker 1: I pretty much just eat vegetarian because I assume that 679 00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:43,120 Speaker 1: the way that they handled the meat is consistent with 680 00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:47,880 Speaker 1: showing up to work, seeing the meat riting on the sidewalk, 681 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,440 Speaker 1: and going, yeah, we could make that work. 682 00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,320 Speaker 2: What countries are you even talking about. 683 00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,000 Speaker 13: The post has garnered more than three thousand up or 684 00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:06,200 Speaker 13: down votes and nearly six hundred comments, where users appear 685 00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:07,960 Speaker 13: to be beefing with each other. 686 00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:10,799 Speaker 2: Yeah, well it has read it. 687 00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:12,160 Speaker 5: And trying to lay Blaine. 688 00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:18,800 Speaker 14: I didn't think it warranted negative comments about Hamburger project 689 00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,560 Speaker 14: or the delivery person. No one was harmed. 690 00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,560 Speaker 2: Hey, the person doing the instacart did his job. He 691 00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:26,680 Speaker 2: delivered it when he said he was going to deliver it. 692 00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:30,759 Speaker 2: If no one's there to get it, that's on them. Yeah, 693 00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:32,920 Speaker 2: do your scheduling better. 694 00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,680 Speaker 14: In the leaving of Hamburger in front of a Hamburger 695 00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:37,359 Speaker 14: shop in. 696 00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,919 Speaker 5: San Francisco, Givang, NBC B Area News. 697 00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:43,080 Speaker 2: There you go, the story of the burger meet left 698 00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:46,000 Speaker 2: on the side of a restaurant in San Francisco. 699 00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:50,440 Speaker 1: I'm surprised the homeless didn't interject themselves into this story. 700 00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:52,520 Speaker 2: You think they'd grab it. 701 00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:55,480 Speaker 1: God knows what they'd do with it.