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Speaker 1: off this way. Whoa Robert Sala is the head coach?

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Speaker 2: It seems like they you know what, maybe that's all

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Speaker 1: That's pretty right there. And I think that Brian Daboll,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, He's the one guy that we're talking about in

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Speaker 1: Well, and a lot of people wonder what's Brian Daball's

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he it was all projection, all ceiling.

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Speaker 1: It was all projectional ceiling. This why are we running

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Speaker 2: Well that's when we saw Josh Allen start to really

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Speaker 3: Guy's a bust.

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Speaker 2: And then you see the effects of dable tweaking the

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Speaker 1: And I will also say this, what's cool about Brian

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Speaker 1: He has ties to Nick Saban. Shay Tierney was with

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Speaker 1: And then the people that wanted to do Caleb Williams

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Speaker 1: if you had to say something about Cliff Kingsbury's that

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Speaker 1: a strength of cam Ward's game. You want him to

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Speaker 1: So my concern with Cliff is his predictability, but his

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Speaker 2: Vertical passing concepts. Baby, I think I can't remember if

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Speaker 2: he's going to run around where the space into the

435
00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:35,920
Speaker 2: space that the edge rusher vacated. If he doesn't, they're

436
00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:37,399
Speaker 2: just going to hand the ball off to the running

437
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:42,159
Speaker 2: back and the running back runs inside. So apparently the

438
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:46,520
Speaker 2: premise of this was teams started to realize, Okay, this

439
00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:49,040
Speaker 2: is just going to be read option, so we're just

440
00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:52,000
Speaker 2: not ever going to rush the read player. So the

441
00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:54,840
Speaker 2: defensive end would just kind of hang there and force

442
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:56,760
Speaker 2: the quarterback to hand the ball off to the running

443
00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,119
Speaker 2: back and the linebackers would be there to swarm it.

444
00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:03,480
Speaker 2: And the criticism of that was that Kingsbury never really

445
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,280
Speaker 2: developed a CounterPunch for that, just kept going out there

446
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 2: and running the same stuff. So for me, if he's

447
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:12,200
Speaker 2: a serious contender here, one, I kind of want to

448
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:14,879
Speaker 2: see him put together an offense that isn't so reliant

449
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:18,399
Speaker 2: on quarterback runs. And two, I want to see the

450
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 2: willingness to be able to adapt and evolve and change

451
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:23,120
Speaker 2: when you need to change.

452
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Speaker 1: Because eventually you're going to run out chances to be

453
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Speaker 1: an offensive coordinator or in the hut. Yeah. And maybe

454
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,040
Speaker 1: his good looks will carry him for a while, I mean,

455
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:32,359
Speaker 1: but eventually you run out of options, right if you

456
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Speaker 1: if you continue to have the same issues now three

457
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Speaker 1: different spots, yeah, then you are the issue.

458
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Speaker 3: You are. That's three strikes in. You're out, buddy, right.

459
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Speaker 1: And for me, the other concern is is how does

460
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Speaker 1: the offensive line fit within his scheme? Because we're talking

461
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Speaker 1: about a guy that ran what I say today, sixty

462
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 1: two percent no huddle the last two years combined. Can

463
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Speaker 1: our offensive line keep up with that?

464
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Speaker 3: Are they athletic and are they athletic.

465
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Speaker 1: But also can our defense sustain being able to do that?

466
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:08,399
Speaker 1: Because that's what got dan that's what got him fired

467
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 1: with dan Quinn is that dan Quinn's like, please run

468
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 1: the ball, be a little bit more traditional.

469
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:17,120
Speaker 2: We need to the defense, yeah, because you're it results

470
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:19,720
Speaker 2: in these three and outs the defenses on the field,

471
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Speaker 2: and that's kind of we saw that quite a bit

472
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Speaker 2: early on.

473
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Speaker 1: That's that same question that we're answering now by the

474
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Speaker 1: defensive line.

475
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:31,440
Speaker 2: Nice, but like if I've totally lost my train of thought, sorry,

476
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Speaker 2: that's what we.

477
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Speaker 1: Were talking about the offensive line, but we're also about

478
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Speaker 1: keeping the defense on the field.

479
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:38,679
Speaker 2: We saw that a little bit early on with the

480
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,359
Speaker 2: Titans this season, was that like the offense could not

481
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Speaker 2: sustain a drive and the defense. How many times this

482
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:48,680
Speaker 2: season did we say, well, the defense played really great,

483
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 2: but they were asked to be perfect and by the

484
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 2: time you get to the fourth quarter, the damn breaks

485
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 2: Like that's not you can't go from that to more

486
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Speaker 2: of that. Just a different play caller, and I think

487
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 2: that's where you know, it's another area where can can

488
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 2: you evolve as a play caller? As an offensive coordinator?

489
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:09,919
Speaker 2: Can you change? Can you take that information and build

490
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Speaker 2: something better with it.

491
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Speaker 1: And I like that. You know, Cam has been part

492
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Speaker 1: of the air raid offense at Carnate Word and University

493
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 1: of or Washington State. He's been part of that offense.

494
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 1: He knows it intimately. It would be a pretty big benefit.

495
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Speaker 1: And what I like about both these offense we just

496
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 1: kind of talked about is the fact that you don't

497
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 1: need necessarily need you want them, but you don't need

498
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:42,680
Speaker 1: superstar wide receivers. You don't need superstar running backs or

499
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:46,639
Speaker 1: superstar titance for the offense to be successful. And right now,

500
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:51,679
Speaker 1: it's really hard to picture where you find a superstar

501
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 1: playmaker outside of the draft, and then you're really looking

502
00:26:56,600 --> 00:27:01,240
Speaker 1: at Jordan Tyson and Jeremiah Love. Yeah, and then you're

503
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,640
Speaker 1: looking at an injury and a running back of four.

504
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:07,160
Speaker 1: And I'm not trying to diminish jare My Love still

505
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:11,119
Speaker 1: love Love. But at the same time, we also know

506
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 1: how the NFL feels about that. So it's just gonna

507
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 1: be an interesting mix of Yeah, we may not still

508
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 1: have the playmakers, but you still should be able to

509
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 1: move the ball and move the ball well and score

510
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 1: points better than you have the last four or five years.

511
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 1: I mean we're talking since first year. I guess twenty

512
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:37,160
Speaker 1: twenty one after Art Smith left that twenty twenty one

513
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:41,680
Speaker 1: season was the last year that the offense looked functional whatsoever. Yeah,

514
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,640
Speaker 1: So for me, I kind of look at it like this,

515
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 1: in the fact that with Cliff Kingsbury, it's a lot

516
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:55,919
Speaker 1: like the Josh Haipel offense and a lot and you

517
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 1: are going to move fast and you're either going to

518
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 1: be off the field fast or score fast. Either way,

519
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 1: your defense is on the field a lot longer. And

520
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:07,639
Speaker 1: that's why I'm kind of a little surprised at Robert

521
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 1: sala is kind of really heavily has entertained Cliff Kingsbury

522
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 1: these last few couple seasons. So it makes me think

523
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 1: that he knows something about Cliff that we do not know.

524
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 2: We need to go back and look at Robert Sala's

525
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 2: history and head to head encounters with Cliff Kingsbury.

526
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Speaker 1: Because there would be some from his Arizona days.

527
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I was That's what I was thinking,

528
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:35,160
Speaker 2: and just kind of see because I do think it's

529
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Speaker 2: interesting because I think Kingsbury is a guy where you

530
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 2: do have the scheme, and the scheme, the simplicity of

531
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Speaker 2: it is in how it creates an attack space and

532
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,479
Speaker 2: the tempo and that sort of stuff.

533
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 3: So it's almost as if.

534
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 2: You have the scheme to compensate for some of the

535
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Speaker 2: void of talent. It's almost like you say, well, well,

536
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 2: we don't have the playmaker just yet. It's going to

537
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 2: be difficult to get the playmaker unless we invest the

538
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 2: fourth overall pick in a running back or a wide

539
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 2: receiver with an extensive medical history injury history. But we

540
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 2: might not need that because we've got good enough talent

541
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Speaker 2: and the scheme can.

542
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 3: Help overcome that. Yeah, I think Kingsbury is that candidate.

543
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Speaker 1: Did you want to talk about any of the other

544
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 1: candidates before we switch over to Senior Bill?

545
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 2: Uh?

546
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:28,239
Speaker 1: No?

547
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 3: Okay, unless you did, no, because I don't.

548
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I think those are your main too. Listen.

549
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 1: I just will say this about Stenovich. A lot of

550
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 1: offensive coordinators have never coached quarterbacks, and all first time

551
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 1: offensive coordinators were never for play callers before. That's why

552
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 1: they're called first time offensive coordinators. Yeah, offensive line coaches.

553
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 1: He's been with Matt Lafleur since San Francisco at twenty

554
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 1: seventeen San Francisco. Then, of course Matte if Flur came

555
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 1: here in twenty eighteen, Tennessee not Mobile. And then as

556
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 1: soon as he got the head coaching job, one of

557
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 1: his first hires was Stanovich on the offensive line. I

558
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 1: know everybody wants to bring up what the Packers fans

559
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 1: on Reddit say, the Stenovich sucks. Yeah, Okay, well you

560
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 1: know Reddit, we don't know what in the world that

561
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 1: he does there and what has been turned down by

562
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 1: Matt Lafleur or ignored or what has been used by

563
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 1: him or whatever. It's the same case as Sean McVay

564
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 1: a little bit. Like you got to see Sean McVay

565
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 1: call some plays under Jay Gruden. Same with Kevin O'Connell,

566
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 1: like one or two weeks with Kevin O'Connell. But for

567
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 1: the most part, Kevin O'Connell's never really caught a lot

568
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 1: of plays. Yeah, and I think everybody would kill for

569
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 1: Kevin O'Connell the offensive coordinator, right, That's the truth. For me,

570
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 1: it's like he's part of the offensive line. He's had

571
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 1: to he's had to, first off, talk to the quarterbacks.

572
00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 1: A lot of people think he, I guess as offensive

573
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 1: coordinator doesn't do anything, But it's kind of like blaming

574
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 1: Matt Naggy for what Andy Reid does. Andy Reid's setting

575
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 1: his ways. He's been doing this for twenty fucking years. Yeah,

576
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 1: it's not a Matt Naggy issue. May be an Andy

577
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 1: Reid issue. You see that Andy Reid doesn't is going

578
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 1: back to someone comfortable that he knows, not someone that

579
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 1: brings in new ideas. Okay, he's going back to Eric

580
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 1: the enemy there. He's gonna loves his comfort because he's

581
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 1: like probably he probably realizes his roster is kind of

582
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 1: aged down and he's gonna have to tweak and do

583
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 1: some stuff. But at the same time, we got to

584
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 1: understand that this is Matt Lafleur's offense. He calls the

585
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 1: place he runs the plays. Does that mean Stenovich definitely

586
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 1: will work? Not at all. I have no clue how

587
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 1: he is as a play caller. Does that mean that

588
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 1: he definitely will bomb? No clue never to have no

589
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 1: clue how he is as a play caller? I just

590
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 1: I just would not just dismiss the idea of Stenovich

591
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 1: is all I'm saying. Yeah, that's all I want to say,

592
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:01,959
Speaker 1: because I really be kind of like, just wait and see,

593
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 1: just wait and see all right, let's go to the

594
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl because we're down here a mobile Lions Fordsburg,

595
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 1: Tennessee lines for dot net drive a little, save a lot. Okay,

596
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 1: So with the Senior Bowl, we had some measurements come

597
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 1: in and I want to start with an underdiscussed need

598
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 1: in for the Tennessee Titans, and that's cornerback. Now, so

599
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 1: we all know they need corners, yeah, but we really

600
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:32,959
Speaker 1: don't talk about it enough because there's no there's no

601
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: corner prospect at four. Well okay, there's no real corner

602
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 1: prospect four if you say so, yes, but because there's

603
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 1: edge wide receiver, sexier options. But you look at what

604
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 1: the Tennessee Titans want. They want six foot, they want big,

605
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 1: they want biggest, and there are there's like twelven of

606
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 1: course in here.

607
00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 3: I counted twelve dB of six foot height.

608
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 1: Or this is like a Mike Bergonzi Chad Brinker like

609
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 1: they this is a red Hulk.

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Speaker 3: So I should say, I hope they brought the Jurgons. Yeah,

611
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 3: they because pants, it's gonna be a scene in the stands.

612
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 3: This is a really interesting cornerback group.

614
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 2: And I think the when you talk about these guys,

615
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 2: it is a they need multiple bodies in the cornerback room.

616
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 2: Because we were kind of hashing this out on the

617
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 2: way down here, it's like, you've got Marcus Harris, but

618
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 2: he's probably your slot. You traded away Roger McCreery. You

619
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 2: traded away Jarvis Brownlee Jr. Who knows what's going on

620
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 2: with Lugerius Snead. It's hard to imagine him factoring into

621
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 2: the Titans plans moving forward. So if that's true, Marcus

622
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 2: Harris is your slot. That's all you have figured out

623
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 2: right now. And I think you and I agree that

624
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 2: Darryl Baker Junior should be brought back as a depth piece,

625
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 2: as like your corner four or five. He's perfectly cast

626
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 2: for that role. He's a guy that has improved during

627
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 2: his time with Tennessee. But I don't think he's a

628
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:11,839
Speaker 2: guy that you want starting week in and week out.

629
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Speaker 2: But the Titans need two starters outside presumably, so this

630
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 2: is not just a hey, go get a guy.

631
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Speaker 3: Are you okay? What happened?

632
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:25,399
Speaker 1: Emmanuel McNeil. Warren's not here?

633
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I just realized.

634
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 1: I just realized that too. By the way, that's a

635
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:33,360
Speaker 1: Toledo defensive back. Cornerback safety. He was safety. Yeah, I

636
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:35,240
Speaker 1: think he's a cornerback safety.

637
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 2: That was a dang man. There's thirty four people that

638
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 2: have dropped out of the Senior Bowl. Damn thirty four players.

639
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:47,720
Speaker 2: So if you're wondering why it's like two days before

640
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 2: Senior Bowl week and suddenly there's a barrage of announcements

641
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 2: of new invites, that's why. Because a lot of these

642
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 2: guys are dropping out. But this is a position that

643
00:34:56,680 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 2: the Titans are going to attack with free agency, multiple

644
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 2: draft picks. I would assume, I think corner is in

645
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 2: play in the second round, but they're also probably, I

646
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,359
Speaker 2: would assume, probably going to take another guy on Day

647
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 2: three as well. It's a position they need multiple of.

648
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 2: So there's a crop of good mid to late round

649
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 2: guys here in Mobile this week.

650
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 1: Just a couple guys to highlight here, just real quick.

651
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 1: Ephesian's price sock, which is name of the week. Five Washington, Washington,

652
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 1: Washington corner six two almost six three, one hundred and

653
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 1: ninety four pounds. Yeah, another guy that I'm interested to

654
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 1: watch because I loved the California defenders last year. The

655
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 1: California Bears good defense. Woo that defense is good and

656
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 1: that's it. Hezekaiah Masses, Yeah, cal cornerback.

657
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 3: Yeah.

658
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 2: I'm curious what tash Lafoy does there because that system

659
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 2: has produced some NFL stars. I'm wondering how different that's

660
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 2: gonna be.

661
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 1: He's six foot eight. Obviously, Colton Hood is down here.

662
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 1: He's fringe first, He's French first rounder. Julian Neil. You

663
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:04,399
Speaker 1: brought up TJ Hall.

664
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:09,439
Speaker 2: TJ Hall, Iowa cornerback. Those guys are just physical, will

665
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 2: beat the fuck out of you.

666
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,360
Speaker 1: And also I'm really interested to watch this Steven f

667
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 1: Austin Kidd, Charles Demans, he's six one, one hundred and

668
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 1: ninety one pounds. I like small school kids that come

669
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 1: out to the Senior Bowl because they usually put out

670
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 1: a damn show.

671
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 2: Yeah they do, and it's this is a proving ground

672
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,359
Speaker 2: because you think about these small school guys. You can

673
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,360
Speaker 2: watch their tape all you want, but it's a different

674
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 2: level of competition.

675
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 3: Uh, this is going to be.

676
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 2: Against NFL caliber wide receivers. Now, I think there's a

677
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 2: discussion to be had about the quality of the.

678
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 3: Receivers going up against these corners and.

679
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 2: The quality of these edg rushers or these offensive tackles

680
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:50,399
Speaker 2: going up against these edge rushers. We can maybe hash

681
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 2: that out at the end of the show, but I

682
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:55,400
Speaker 2: think the bottom line is these guys come to the

683
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 2: Senior Bowl hungry with something to prove.

684
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 1: Someone mentioned Davisonbino Son and Abino son Son. Okay, the

685
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 1: kid from ohioo Son, how do you pronounce the last night?

686
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 1: I don't know, Okay, I do not know. And then

687
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 1: Malik Mohammad, who are both here as well. He also

688
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:18,320
Speaker 1: mentions Ponds, but Pons is not here. He's one of

689
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 1: the many people that backed out for whatever reason, accepted

690
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 1: an invite and immediately turned back. Yeah, where do you

691
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 1: want to go from here? And I'll let you pick

692
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 1: the next place.

693
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 3: I don't know.

694
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 2: If you mentioned Julian Neil six one and a half

695
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 2: two hundred and two pounds, he is also a guy

696
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 2: that something could work his way into the first round

697
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 2: with a good week here.

698
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 3: But I think definitely in play for the Titans in

699
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 3: the second round if he stayed.

700
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 2: By I I kind of I don't know, Zach. I

701
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 2: think the edge group is probably of great import to

702
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 2: the Titans while we're down here, because it's a deep group.

703
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:56,919
Speaker 2: It's a deep group in general. I mean, this edge

704
00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 2: class in the draft overall is going to be probably

705
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:03,799
Speaker 2: the strength of the draft this year. Uh and that's

706
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 2: reflected in the Senior Bowl as well, where there are

707
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 2: a lot of guys. It's an interesting mix to me

708
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:11,399
Speaker 2: because you have some guys that are looking to prove

709
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 2: themselves against a better level of competition, but you also

710
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,880
Speaker 2: have some guys that have some questions, have some concerns

711
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 2: about their tape, that are coming down here to show

712
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:25,319
Speaker 2: that they can be coached, that they're coachable, they can

713
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 2: be coached up, that they can iron out some of

714
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:29,840
Speaker 2: these concerns, and we want to see a week of

715
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 2: consistently good practice from these guys. So more people that

716
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 2: I would say are probably in play for the Titans

717
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 2: on Day two, maybe even Day three. I don't think

718
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 2: anybody here this week is deserving of the fourth overall pick,

719
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 2: since we've seen Ruben Bain and David Bailey both back

720
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 2: out of the Senior Bowl, which if I'm breaking that

721
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:53,399
Speaker 2: news to you, I apologize to break.

722
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 1: What can I say to this about the Ruben Bain

723
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 1: stuff is like THEO Lazy hit him that happened with

724
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 1: Ruben Bain when he accepted the invite, and you had

725
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 1: people going after Jim nagging over this right, like the

726
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 1: going at him like was that Billy m guy that

727
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 1: has he still has a bit emoji as his profile pick.

728
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 3: I don't know who that is.

729
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 1: You would know him if you saw him. But he

730
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 1: was like, this would never happen under okay, Jim Naggy

731
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 1: never gets these kinds of players. He just gets sec

732
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:25,360
Speaker 1: or something like that, and glazing that ruben Bain, And

733
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 1: then all the people were like the competitive spirit of

734
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 1: ruben Baine did come to Senior Like, have you guys

735
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,799
Speaker 1: even ever been to the Senior most Because when that

736
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:39,320
Speaker 1: was announced, I was like, if he's likely just coming

737
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:41,839
Speaker 1: for the interview, I would be shocked if he even

738
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 1: practiced day wi Yeah, And sure enough he fucking canceled. Yeah,

739
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 1: So where's that competitive spirit now? It's probably in between

740
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:51,840
Speaker 1: weeks four and uh eleven of the season.

741
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 2: I'm curious because it sounds like one of those situations

742
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 2: where like everybody was so harmonious with this narrative, the

743
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 2: competitive spirit. It almost feels like one of those situations

744
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 2: where the agents were like, hey, make sure this gets

745
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,919
Speaker 2: out that he's got a strong competitive spirit and just

746
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 2: just trickled out because I mean you and me and

747
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:17,360
Speaker 2: Easton and JT were talking about it like I'd be

748
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:19,799
Speaker 2: shocked if he actually shows up. But everybody's just like,

749
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:23,720
Speaker 2: oh my god, the competitive spirit, this guy's will to compete.

750
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 2: He just played in the National Championship game and he's

751
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 2: coming down to Mobile and and this.

752
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 1: Is not a knock on Reuben Bain by the way, now,

753
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:34,880
Speaker 1: this is a knock on the people that covered this.

754
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:37,360
Speaker 2: When he When it was announced that he had accepted

755
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:39,359
Speaker 2: the invite, my initial reaction.

756
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:42,799
Speaker 3: Was, why, yeah, why if you're getting married measured, why

757
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 3: even do this? Yeah, that's true, that's true. David Bailey,

758
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 3: I am. I am disappointed.

759
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:53,799
Speaker 1: Because I thought we'd get one day of practice out

760
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 1: of him. Yeah, and then he would like come in,

761
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:58,319
Speaker 1: he'd because we've seen this before where a guy comes

762
00:40:58,320 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 1: in you're kind of like, why is he even here

763
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 1: that he embarrasses everybody's in front of them and you

764
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 1: never see him there.

765
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, and it's just like, Okay, that's all we

766
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 3: wanted to see. You're good, moving on now.

767
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 2: But I do think, like, man, I just wonder if

768
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 2: we take stock of where these guys are at when

769
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 2: the invites go out, and thinking back to then when

770
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 2: David Bailey was considered like a late mid to late

771
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:26,439
Speaker 2: first round guy, and as as we've gotten deeper into

772
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 2: the process, he's kind of looked like a guy that

773
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 2: could be in play for a top five pick, and

774
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 2: I think the more people that have watched him are

775
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:37,319
Speaker 2: kind of coming around on him. I just wonder if

776
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 2: and when we don't know, to be fair, it could

777
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 2: be whether it could be injuries we don't know about.

778
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 2: It could be a number of things that are causing this.

779
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 2: But I would think that I don't know, maybe the

780
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 2: hype got to a point where he received NFL feedback

781
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 2: that like, hey man, you don't have to go do that.

782
00:41:56,480 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 2: Maybe agent somebody taking stock talking to scout else personnel

783
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 2: people in the NFL, and they said, no, the tape is.

784
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 3: Good enough, we'll see you at the combine.

785
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 2: And because we've seen that happen a lot with prospects,

786
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:10,839
Speaker 2: and I'm not saying for sure that Bailey is one

787
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 2: of those guys, but he was one of the few

788
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 2: players that I was like, oh man, this could be

789
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 2: a guy that could be in play for the Titans

790
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 2: in that first round, and now we won't.

791
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 3: Get to see him this week.

792
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 2: But I do still think that while there aren't any

793
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:28,359
Speaker 2: players deserving of that fourth overall pick, there's a really

794
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 2: good class of edge rushers down here. There's a number

795
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 2: of guys that could be in play for the Titans

796
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 2: if they opt to go somewhere else at four, maybe

797
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 2: get a guy in the second round, or maybe double

798
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:43,959
Speaker 2: up and get another guy on Day three as well.

799
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 1: Yeah. I what I love about this in particular is

800
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 1: that the Senior Bowl you're not getting a lot of

801
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 1: high end guys, but the bulk of your draft picks

802
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 1: typically are on Day three. This is the meat of

803
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:06,320
Speaker 1: the draft, and that's the meat of the draft you

804
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 1: were talking about. The Tennessee Titans have I believe round four,

805
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:18,760
Speaker 1: round five, two round six's in a round seven. Spot

806
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 1: track doesn't really put that up. I thought they had

807
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:26,280
Speaker 1: two round fives, but either way, they have a lot

808
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:30,880
Speaker 1: of draft picks. Yeah, and uh, here we go. This

809
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 1: is probably a little bit better around four, two round

810
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 1: fives and a round six and a round seven. Okay,

811
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 1: so they got that. To me, this is why we

812
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 1: need to be looking at these Day three guys. And

813
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 1: I'm not saying this guy about these two guys, I'm

814
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:48,359
Speaker 1: about to name or even three guys because I think

815
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 1: they're all interesting to talk about. Are going to be

816
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 1: available on Day three, but if they're available in round three,

817
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 1: you may be jumping on. And that's t J. Parker, Yeah,

818
00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 1: LT Overton and Gabe Jackets.

819
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 2: Yeah. I haven't gotten to lt Overton yet, but I

820
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 2: like both. Do we know how to pronounce as a jackis.

821
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 1: I don't think it's jackass.

822
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:15,799
Speaker 2: I don't think it's I hope it's not jackass. We

823
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 2: should find that out this week. But I was impressed

824
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:21,479
Speaker 2: with some of his twenty twenty four tape. I've I'm

825
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 2: still still got some tape to watch on him.

826
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 3: But TJ.

827
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:27,239
Speaker 2: Parker is a really interesting guy to me because he

828
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 2: was like a top ten caliber pick going into the season.

829
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 2: The season did not go the way I would assume

830
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 2: he wanted it to go, but still a really good

831
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:40,759
Speaker 2: power rusher, and I think power is one of those

832
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 2: things that translates pretty well to the NFL level. So

833
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:47,919
Speaker 2: you wonder about the lapses in his tape. Now he's

834
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 2: kind of considered a fringe first round guy, but got

835
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:53,839
Speaker 2: some good stuff on there. Came in at six three,

836
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 2: two sixty three today on measurement day. Really good power

837
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:02,319
Speaker 2: rusher that I think, you know, if if he ends

838
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 2: up being the guy that they come away with, it'll

839
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 2: be because a lot of the questions about him were

840
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:08,479
Speaker 2: answered this week.

841
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 1: Someone said they thought they heard Akus Akus akus. This

842
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 1: is maybe this is the one that we'll have to

843
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:17,719
Speaker 1: ask coach mac on because remember he told us it

844
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 1: was Beck not Besch, or is it it's Besch not Back.

845
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 1: He's the one who told us that we kept calling

846
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 1: him Jack.

847
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,759
Speaker 3: Ben, but it's Jack Besh. Yeah.

848
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 1: Lt Overton is interesting because I mean we're talking about

849
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 1: the guy came in just under sixty three, but two

850
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 1: hundred and seventy eight pounds for.

851
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:38,320
Speaker 3: An edge rusher.

852
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's above the above the norm. A lot of

853
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 2: these guys are too sixty issue. You want to know

854
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 2: what's more interesting? They have him listed as a defensive lineman.

855
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 2: That is a defensive end, how about that? And that

856
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:51,399
Speaker 2: makes a lot of sense and maybe they're good guy.

857
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:53,759
Speaker 2: So yeah, we might see reps at both this week.

858
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 1: TJ Parker, I think is the most interesting end because

859
00:45:56,760 --> 00:46:00,840
Speaker 1: I was really high on TJ. Parker heading into the year. Yeah,

860
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 1: And I think when people get really high on a

861
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 1: player headed end of the year, that skews their perception

862
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 1: always towards the positive. Sure, And I was so disappointed

863
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 1: with TJ. Parker and it's and it may just be

864
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 1: something about the Clemson team in general. They had a

865
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:18,320
Speaker 1: bunch of guys that underperformed all across the board in

866
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 1: all different levels of position. Maybe it's just a Dabo

867
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 1: Sweeney issue.

868
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:22,760
Speaker 3: It could be, could.

869
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 1: Be, but I think that's a guy that can make

870
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 1: half his draft stock make a break. I was actually

871
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:31,880
Speaker 1: a little surprised he came out this year. Yeah, super young,

872
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:35,319
Speaker 1: got the measurables. We're talking about six three two sixty three.

873
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 1: But like, that's the guy that really, out of all

874
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:42,799
Speaker 1: the guys, I'm the most interested in in this edge

875
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:45,759
Speaker 1: group because I think that you look at a guy

876
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 1: like Romelo High who's six two two thirty four, like

877
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:53,400
Speaker 1: he'll be fun to watch another fringe first Yeah, number

878
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 1: another guy like that for me, besides Gabe Akus, TJ. Parker,

879
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 1: that's the guy that I want to see. Was the

880
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:06,840
Speaker 1: tape reel, which was the real TJ. Parker. The twenty

881
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 1: twenty four tape or I guess twenty yeah, twenty twenty

882
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 1: four tape or the twenty twenty five tape, which is

883
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:14,400
Speaker 1: the real TJ. Parker, And I think we have a

884
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 1: chance to see that if he has kind of a

885
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:23,240
Speaker 1: middling week, then we know that the twenty twenty five TJ.

886
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 1: Parker was the real TJ. Parker. But this is a

887
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:28,360
Speaker 1: guy that's so young that if we see flashes of

888
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:32,799
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four here this week, then there's a guy

889
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:36,319
Speaker 1: that maybe Robert sala can take mold and do something with.

890
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, because something that we talked about on the way

891
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 2: down here too is like Robert Salas seems to like

892
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 2: him some powerful edge rushers, you guess, some of the

893
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 2: guys that have played for him and his defenses, and

894
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:48,880
Speaker 2: there's a number of those guys to.

895
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 3: Two other ones I would mention before we move on.

896
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 3: I like Zion Young out.

897
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 2: Of Missouri, and I know he's kind of considered a

898
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:57,719
Speaker 2: fringe top fifty guy.

899
00:47:57,600 --> 00:47:59,959
Speaker 1: But what about my boy Damon Wilson going to Miami.

900
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 2: Though they don't don't have to, we have to exclude

901
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:07,320
Speaker 2: him from this class, you know, all of a sudden,

902
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:11,800
Speaker 2: but Zion Young got some good tape, good power rusher.

903
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 2: I don't know what the tool kit is like, but

904
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 2: you know, hey, maybe we see that down here. And

905
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 2: then man, I've seen some stuff from Kiroon Crawford, the

906
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:24,879
Speaker 2: Auburn defensive end that I'm just kind of like there

907
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:27,479
Speaker 2: might be something there. There's might be a little juice

908
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 2: to his game as well. So it's just it's such

909
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 2: a deep group. I'm bummed that Jack Pieburn is not

910
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:35,880
Speaker 2: going to be here because I really enjoyed his tape

911
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 2: and I was looking forward to seeing him in this setting.

912
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 2: But there are some guys that are going to be

913
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:43,799
Speaker 2: options for the Titans late in this draft if they

914
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 2: want to compliment, whether they go a Bayne or Baileyo

915
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 2: at four, or if they want to just add to

916
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:52,359
Speaker 2: the rotation the stable of guys that they already have.

917
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 1: Let's let's do this and we'll let you talk about

918
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 1: some offensive linemen that cut your eye, and I'll end

919
00:48:57,440 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 1: it with wide receivers.

920
00:48:58,920 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 3: Yeah.

921
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 2: So I'm I'm stoked to watch Max ianichor the Arizona

922
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:06,760
Speaker 2: State right tackle. I think he came in around six five,

923
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 2: three twenty ish. A lot of people think he's going

924
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:11,360
Speaker 2: to move inside to guard but I think his tape

925
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:14,439
Speaker 2: is good enough to warrant giving him a shot at

926
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 2: tackle right tackle. There's we were talking about it on

927
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 2: the way down here, like there's the best tackles in

928
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 2: this class are right tackles. So it's like Spencer Fino

929
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 2: right tackle, Francis Malino or right tackle.

930
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:28,720
Speaker 3: A lot of these guys are Blake Miller right tackle.

931
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:32,479
Speaker 2: But I do wonder if he's an option to kick

932
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:36,399
Speaker 2: inside for guard, if he could potentially be the contingency

933
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:39,840
Speaker 2: plan and then maybe we see Jackson Slater kick inside

934
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 2: to develop at center. I don't know, I'm just spitballing.

935
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:46,240
Speaker 2: But some of the other names. Jeremiah Wright, the offensive

936
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 2: lineman out of Auburn, came in at six five, three

937
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:53,799
Speaker 2: hundred and forty pounds today during the measurements. Demetrius crown Over,

938
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:56,240
Speaker 2: the offensive tackle out of Texas A and M sixty

939
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:57,439
Speaker 2: six three point thirty one.

940
00:49:58,040 --> 00:49:59,359
Speaker 3: That is a big old boy.

941
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 2: And then offensive tackle JC Davis out of Illinois.

942
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 3: I watched his tape.

943
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:09,320
Speaker 2: Came in at sixty four, so you know, fringe tackle height,

944
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 2: but three hundred and thirty five pounds. You watch this

945
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:19,840
Speaker 2: guy and twenty twenty four, I'm like this. He looks lean.

946
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:21,879
Speaker 2: He looks like he has a lean frame to come

947
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:25,040
Speaker 2: in at that weight. Is encouraging for his prospects of

948
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 2: sticking a tackle. This is a guy that I think

949
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:30,920
Speaker 2: could be in play. He played left tackle at Illinois.

950
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 2: There's some inconsistencies in the tape. I'm not saying this

951
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:37,760
Speaker 2: is a bona fide stud, but I think for the Titans,

952
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:40,279
Speaker 2: who could potentially be looking at the tackle of the

953
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 2: future to develop, He's a name that I would watch

954
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:46,360
Speaker 2: this week. I thought his twenty twenty four tape was promising.

955
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:49,919
Speaker 2: Haven't wrapped up twenty twenty five just yet. I think

956
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:52,239
Speaker 2: they need the tackle of the future, and I think

957
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 2: they could use some more depth along the interior of

958
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 2: the offensive line, potentially picking up a center guy down here,

959
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:03,399
Speaker 2: Sam Heck out of can State. Pretty good tape, could

960
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:05,359
Speaker 2: boost his stock With a good week, there are some

961
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:08,840
Speaker 2: options down here. I wouldn't be surprised at all to

962
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:11,399
Speaker 2: see them address the offensive line with a draft pick

963
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:14,359
Speaker 2: this year, just to just to keep fortifying that unit.

964
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 1: Moving to the wide receivers just real quick.

965
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 3: Ted Hurst, baby, I.

966
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 1: Mean ted Hurst is obviously the name that's been in

967
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:24,840
Speaker 1: the chat because Iron City Drew Badies in the in

968
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:28,360
Speaker 1: the chat shut Drew Uh very interested to see what

969
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 1: he does six three, two hundred and seven pounds. I mean,

970
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:33,839
Speaker 1: he seems to be the complete package. Always wonder why

971
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 1: Georgia State, why are you still there? That's a good

972
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 1: point and all that kind of stuff. So now it's

973
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:40,839
Speaker 1: a step up in competition. He's going to have some

974
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:43,840
Speaker 1: stiff competition in this cornerback Grooms. This is a great

975
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:48,600
Speaker 1: test for ted Hurst. I am so interested to see

976
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:52,320
Speaker 1: just what Jakobe Lane looks like in person, kind of

977
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 1: stretched out six', four one hundred and ninety six. Pounds

978
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 1: Obviously Makay lemon's getting all the, looks but that's a

979
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 1: guy that, should like, you should be able to fly

980
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:07,400
Speaker 1: and glide for a six four a, guy, yeah for.

981
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 1: Sure So Romela brinson did not weigh. IN i guess

982
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:14,719
Speaker 1: he may not be down. Here maybe. Snow we don't.

983
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:17,800
Speaker 2: Know it sounds so the or the rumor on the

984
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 2: street is that these these guys that are still listed

985
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:23,720
Speaker 2: on the roster but didn't measure, today there were weather

986
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 2: related traffiication's Because Caleb banks.

987
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:26,799
Speaker 3: Is the same.

988
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 2: Way And i'm gonna tell you man If Caleb banks

989
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 2: ain't here this, Week i'm A i'm a lost all.

990
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:35,799
Speaker 1: HOPE i love to look at See i'm this when

991
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 1: we talk about the six foot wide or, cornerbacks this

992
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:41,480
Speaker 1: is gonna be some good competition because you have a

993
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:45,280
Speaker 1: lot of six two sixty three wide Receivers Malachi fields

994
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 1: six four two and eighteen, Pounds Notre dame wide Receiver Reggie,

995
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:52,760
Speaker 1: Virgil Caleb. Douggas the Reason i'm signaling these guys out

996
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:58,479
Speaker 1: particularly is because when you're in day, Three Elki MANOR

997
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 1: i felt was less than, Impressive, okay and now it

998
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:03,480
Speaker 1: does not mean that he cannot, grow does not mean

999
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 1: that he cannot get, better but you still need to

1000
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:09,840
Speaker 1: you can develop Elic I manor while also maybe drafting

1001
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 1: a guy on day three that maybe has higher. UPSIDE

1002
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 1: i Am i'm very interested to see what these guys

1003
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:21,719
Speaker 1: do against these, corners which they are pretty much for

1004
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:25,760
Speaker 1: the most part out gunned when it comes to corners

1005
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:28,879
Speaker 1: versus wide. Receivers so if you got wide receivers consistently

1006
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:32,880
Speaker 1: showing up against this cornerback, CREW i feel LIKE i

1007
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 1: could take more stock into What i'm seeing from the

1008
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:38,439
Speaker 1: wide receivers and not ding the cornerbacks as.

1009
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:38,920
Speaker 3: Much.

1010
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:41,799
Speaker 2: ABSOLUTELY i, mean it is going to be a win

1011
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 2: for this wide receiver unit if they're out there winning

1012
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 2: these one on one matchups against these.

1013
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:48,799
Speaker 1: CORNS i. AM i talking about these little TikTok where

1014
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 1: you have like ten, steps ten steps before you get

1015
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:52,440
Speaker 1: into your.

1016
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:52,800
Speaker 3: Release.

1017
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:56,440
Speaker 1: Release, Yeah i'm looking for guys with clean, releases short,

1018
00:53:56,480 --> 00:54:00,279
Speaker 1: releases very few steps to get going and to each

1019
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 1: top speed, quickly and we'll have all that kind of

1020
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:04,719
Speaker 1: information as the week goes on as. Well any other

1021
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:06,400
Speaker 1: wide receivers you want touch that MAYBE i.

1022
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:08,799
Speaker 2: FORGOT i want to talk About Lewis bond a little

1023
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:12,560
Speaker 2: bit because he's a really interesting prospect out Of Boston.

1024
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 2: College he's kind of a route, technician more of a

1025
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 2: pro style offense up. There his tape is really intriguing

1026
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:21,359
Speaker 2: because he looks like a good route runner with a

1027
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 2: decent route. Tree gonna be a value Add BUT i

1028
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:27,640
Speaker 2: feel like his skill set is something that The titans

1029
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:28,799
Speaker 2: are kind of lacking.

1030
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:29,799
Speaker 3: In the wide receiver room right.

1031
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 2: NOW a guy that can just kind of go to,

1032
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:35,719
Speaker 2: work run any route that you need him to and

1033
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 2: get open that. Way So i'm kind of interested in

1034
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:43,799
Speaker 2: him like you, SAID i would just, echo, like, man

1035
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 2: this wide receiver group looks undermatched on, Paper so if

1036
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:51,040
Speaker 2: you start seeing guys winning against the cornerback, Group i'd

1037
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:54,400
Speaker 2: say make note of. That, conversely don't be surprised if

1038
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 2: these edge rushers are whooping these offensive tackles.

1039
00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:56,880
Speaker 3: Asses.

1040
00:54:56,880 --> 00:55:03,319
Speaker 1: All, Yeah i'm very interested in seeing how physical these

1041
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 1: guys are BECAUSE i felt like ella guy And manner

1042
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:10,239
Speaker 1: lacked a certain physicality to his game this, year and

1043
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:12,480
Speaker 1: he had also had a real hard time just staying. Up,

1044
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:15,719
Speaker 1: yeah so did JIMBR dk really. Weirdly maybe that's just

1045
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:20,240
Speaker 1: Cam ward's throwing. TRAJECTORY i don't, know but real, quick

1046
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:23,279
Speaker 1: anybody that we did not touch on before we go

1047
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:24,480
Speaker 1: to break or not.

1048
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 2: Break but you, know defensive Tackle Lee hunter six three and.

1049
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:31,440
Speaker 2: TWENTY i, mean that's a guy that's like roughly my

1050
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 2: height but like forty pounds. Heavier that's a that's a big.

1051
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:38,960
Speaker 2: Dude maybe a little too. Heavy we'll see how how

1052
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:42,440
Speaker 2: he looks this. Week Linebacker Jacob rodriguez out Of Texas

1053
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 2: tech six, one two thirty, three and then a couple

1054
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:48,720
Speaker 2: Of arkansas guys as we get on out of. Here Taylor,

1055
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:51,959
Speaker 2: green quarterback coming in at six six two twenty. Nine

1056
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:55,960
Speaker 2: Mike Washington, junior the running back six foot two twenty.

1057
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:58,760
Speaker 2: Eight if you need a, thumper there's gonna be several

1058
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:00,759
Speaker 2: guys down here that are going to fit the bill as.

1059
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:02,359
Speaker 3: Well and that's.

1060
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:05,080
Speaker 1: It all, Right there you. Go we'll be back. Tomorrow

1061
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:08,600
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1062
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:10,840
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1063
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:14,520
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1064
00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:18,960
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1066
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1068
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1069
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1070
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