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Speaker 3: We'll get you over the pregame at six fifteen.
Speaker 2: But reacting to the forty nine Ers their first game
Speaker 2: action of the season lose to Tennessee last night nineteen
Speaker 2: to thirteen.
Speaker 3: You know the outcomes matter in preseason JD.
Speaker 4: Yes, I do. Yes, I do that for the YouTube crowd.
Speaker 4: Your first beer of the show as well. Here as
Speaker 4: we're out on the patios, it is a patio tradition.
Speaker 4: No bloody at uh yeah, bloody's more like a ten o'clock,
Speaker 4: No bloody at three twenty in the afternoon.
Speaker 3: You know, I don't mind doing bloody at any time
Speaker 3: of the day.
Speaker 4: Really.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm weird like that.
Speaker 2: I yeah, I'm kind of like Brett Pitten once upon
Speaker 2: a time in Hollywood, where all you know a bloody
Speaker 2: mare or eat a bloody Mary.
Speaker 3: I'll drink a bloody marry anytime.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's there is a cutoff for it. It it isn't
Speaker 4: always like noon, depending upon where we are and the
Speaker 4: night before and all of that. If you need a
Speaker 4: little hair of the dog.
Speaker 3: Well is it your go to hangover drink.
Speaker 4: It's not necessarily a go to hangover drink. It's it's
Speaker 4: more of just a go to like first drink. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I got of a new day I could start. If
Speaker 4: you're gonna be.
Speaker 3: Day drinking right now, I'm with you on that one.
Speaker 4: And so it's yeah, if you're out here at ten o'clock,
Speaker 4: you have one, But it could be if you're out
Speaker 4: here at one or two o'clock you have one, depending
Speaker 4: upon your your night before.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I may have to switch it up.
Speaker 2: And of course, such as his tradition on the patio,
Speaker 2: Bloody's John Bloody's Yeah.
Speaker 3: I love I love those, oh absolutely.
Speaker 2: So talking football this twenty twenty six forty nine Ers season,
Speaker 2: and you brought up Rock Perdy and how he's looked
Speaker 2: in training camp so far, and I think you know
Speaker 2: he took some steps for and in like a different direction,
Speaker 2: I would say a positive direction last year coming back
Speaker 2: from injury, dealing with the tow and then I thought
Speaker 2: he lit it up. You look fantastic against the Colts
Speaker 2: that one Monday night game.
Speaker 3: I thought his performance in the playoff game.
Speaker 2: Against the Eagles, even though he threw two interceptions, to
Speaker 2: stay strong in that game, even in the Seahawks game,
Speaker 2: running for his life for most of that but still
Speaker 2: playing strong, and we kind of saw it. Mike Sando
Speaker 2: put him up a little bit higher in the quarterback tiers,
Speaker 2: and he doesn't do that himself. He asks around the
Speaker 2: league when it comes to opposing coaches and gms. But
Speaker 2: I think we saw more of brock Perty's mobility last
Speaker 2: season and this year. I think the biggest question mark
Speaker 2: is Kenny throw more of the deep ball when he
Speaker 2: got Mike Evans now in your receiving corps. So what
Speaker 2: do you want to see as far as you know,
Speaker 2: a little improvement from brock Perty from last year to
Speaker 2: this season.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I just wanted to see him continue to be
Speaker 4: brock Purty. I think because of the wide receiving corps,
Speaker 4: there may be different throws to be made that haven't
Speaker 4: necessarily been there in other years. And I think your
Speaker 4: point about Mike Evans is spot on. I think Dejon stribbling.
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm excited to see those two get to
Speaker 4: work together, and I hope we get a chance to
Speaker 4: see them work together coming up in LA for the
Speaker 4: game against the Chargers. I'm not going to be down
Speaker 4: at the joint practice which is going to be coming
Speaker 4: up on Tuesday between the forty nine Ers and the Chargers,
Speaker 4: but I want to see those two work together in
Speaker 4: live action. And I think Stribbling could also add a
Speaker 4: little different element to what Brock Purdy can bring to
Speaker 4: the table. But he's just He's steady, and he got
Speaker 4: better as the season went on after he came back
Speaker 4: from the injury, which I think was impressive down the
Speaker 4: stretch there and help help lead them to that spot
Speaker 4: and help lead them to their win despite the fact
Speaker 4: that he did have a couple of interceptions in the
Speaker 4: playoff win at Philly.
Speaker 2: Now, during the broadcast last night, Tim Ryan did say
Speaker 2: that you could see George Kittle out there Week one
Speaker 2: against the Rams, and I kind of don't want to
Speaker 2: see that.
Speaker 3: I get it.
Speaker 2: I totally understand that George Kittle wants to play. He
Speaker 2: is vital to their success. But thinking about the long haul,
Speaker 2: thinking about seventeen games, don't rush that. Like it's a
Speaker 2: long flight too to go to Australia, I fifteen hours.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that.
Speaker 2: I mean they got by last year from week one
Speaker 2: on with Jake Tongjis and maybe they add to that
Speaker 2: tight end room right now. But yeah, I do want
Speaker 2: to I don't want to see that. Honestly, I don't
Speaker 2: think you need to rush that. I think that George
Speaker 2: Kittle one of the best tight ends in all the football.
Speaker 2: You don't need them coming back too soon from that
Speaker 2: Achilles tear. I get him wanting to come back. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I get him wanting to be a part of that
Speaker 2: trip too.
Speaker 4: I mean, I think as much as it has been
Speaker 4: discussed as kind of a burden right the trip and
Speaker 4: it's not what anybody really wants to do to go
Speaker 4: that far to play one game and have to do
Speaker 4: all the prep and the lead up in the week
Speaker 4: and they're going out. We talked a lot about the
Speaker 4: juxtaposition and hey, the Rams are going the day before, yeah,
Speaker 4: and the Niners are going a week in a day
Speaker 4: before and they're doing the whole full prep week, get
Speaker 4: their acclimate, go through a go through a get it
Speaker 4: out of your system practice and take a day and
Speaker 4: then three more practices and like they're running it like
Speaker 4: it's almost a Super Bowl week essentially, or if they
Speaker 4: were running it as if they were going to practice
Speaker 4: in Santa Clara and then and then fly down to
Speaker 4: Los Angeles and play it at SOFI, so that they're
Speaker 4: getting there, they're acclimated. They're doing it. The Rams doing
Speaker 4: the opposite. So I understand the fun of that. And
Speaker 4: Kittle's about the energy and the vibes, the fun, and
Speaker 4: he wants to be a part of what is going
Speaker 4: to be a cool trip because the Niners, in going early,
Speaker 4: are going to have a little bit more of an
Speaker 4: opportunity to experience it, probably not a lot, but they
Speaker 4: are going to have a shot to experience it in
Speaker 4: a manner that the Rams are not going to experience
Speaker 4: it at all. And so I think that there's a poll,
Speaker 4: is what I'm saying. That's a non football poll to
Speaker 4: want to do it. In addition to the I'm George Kittle,
Speaker 4: I'm a freaking badass. I'm coming back because I'm one
Speaker 4: of the leaders of this football team and I'm to
Speaker 4: do it before anybody, anybody believed that I could. So
Speaker 4: I think there's an element of that that needs to
Speaker 4: be accounted for. All of that being said, I'm with you, Yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm with you, because I think if he isn't fully
Speaker 4: where he needs to be to even make the trip,
Speaker 4: making the trip could potentially cause some issues once they
Speaker 4: come back and have to start playing, like I would
Speaker 4: much rather. But it's not it's a tricky situation. It's
Speaker 4: there are other factors that wouldn't I think normally be
Speaker 4: in play as you discuss his wanting to come back,
Speaker 4: because it's in many ways just a cool experience.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a cool experience. It could be a good
Speaker 2: bonding moment for them to be around each other for
Speaker 2: a week. I mean again that right now in training camp,
Speaker 2: but also like just to go to Australia to have
Speaker 2: that moment. But also like George Cail doesn't need to
Speaker 2: prove anything to anybody, like he's yeah, he's a badass,
Speaker 2: and I don't think that it's vital right away that
Speaker 2: he comes back and that's how the season.
Speaker 3: Starts with him there.
Speaker 2: Like he tore that achilles in early January in a
Speaker 2: playoff game. It's crazy what modern medicine can do right
Speaker 2: now when it comes to the NFL. You got Patrick
Speaker 2: Mahomes coming back, probably gonna start Week one, but he's
Speaker 2: a quarterback. If he stands in the pocket and you know,
Speaker 2: limits his mobility, then maybe he'll be finding that torn
Speaker 2: acl same thing with Daniel Jones where he tore his achilles.
Speaker 2: You know, I think late November, early December, whatever it
Speaker 2: was for guys like Micah Parsons or George Kittle. No, like,
Speaker 2: it's okay, come back when you can. Don't rush it,
Speaker 2: and then we need you whin we're making a playoff run.
Speaker 4: No, it's totally understand. It was January eleventh. Yeah, I
Speaker 4: mean you go back to it, and so we're talking
Speaker 4: at that point basically eight months. Yeah, eight months, which
Speaker 4: is incredible. So I think the smart play is probably
Speaker 4: to wait. Yeah, but again, I think his desire. I
Speaker 4: don't think it's necessarily something to prove in terms of
Speaker 4: his toughness or anything like that. I just think it's
Speaker 4: the desire to be with the guys on such a
Speaker 4: significant part of what this twenty twenty six teams journey
Speaker 4: will be. Now, look, they'll get back home and they'll
Speaker 4: get back in the rhythm and they'll play the three
Speaker 4: home games and everybody'll forget about they went to Australia
Speaker 4: right at that point. But I do think it is
Speaker 4: a unique experience that would lead to more conversation about
Speaker 4: him pressing to be ready to play. Then maybe you
Speaker 4: would ordinarily.
Speaker 2: Hear yeah, I mean I would just me like I
Speaker 2: would advise against that. I understand that George Kittle wants
Speaker 2: to wants to start the season the right way by
Speaker 2: playing football, but this injury kinds recently happened.
Speaker 4: If you told me they were targeting Week two at home,
Speaker 4: is then that much of a difference the three games, Like,
Speaker 4: I think that would be appropriate. I mean, I just
Speaker 4: think I would feel I would feel a little bit
Speaker 4: differently about that. But again, to me, the recovery is
Speaker 4: where the recovery is. It may prove to not be feasible.
Speaker 4: I mean, we'll see he's not on the practice field yet,
Speaker 4: so we're like we're gonna know, like if it is
Speaker 4: a realistic shot to happen, we're gonna know because they're
Speaker 4: getting on that plane. What's September second, Yeah, so that's
Speaker 4: nineteen days away.
Speaker 3: So if he's on the trip, yeah.
Speaker 4: I mean, if he's on the trip, well he has
Speaker 4: to be on the trip if he's gonna play, of course,
Speaker 4: so if you don't get on the plane, you're not
Speaker 4: playing in the game. But he's gonna have to be
Speaker 4: activated before then and be at practice. And they practice
Speaker 4: schedule just came out for this next little block here,
Speaker 4: and it's gonna be similar to the last few blocks.
Speaker 4: They're gonna go Tomorrow and Sunday in Santa Clara. They're
Speaker 4: gonna have a walk through Monday, and then head down
Speaker 4: to Los Angeles and practice in El Segundo with the
Speaker 4: Chargers on Tuesday. So the two days and then the
Speaker 4: walkthrough without media availability Monday, and then they head down
Speaker 4: Monday to LA and they'll practice with the Chargers. That's
Speaker 4: the heavy practice, right, the last one before the day
Speaker 4: prior to game, and then they'll play the Chargers coming
Speaker 4: up on Thursday at seven o'clock.
Speaker 2: Just real quick, like, what have you made of the
Speaker 2: difference in the travel schedules between the Niners and the
Speaker 2: forty or sorry, the the Niners in the Rams?
Speaker 3: Crazy where I've.
Speaker 2: Heard this before with the Rams where six Yeah, like
Speaker 2: last year they went to London.
Speaker 3: I think they I think they.
Speaker 2: Went from Baltimore straight to London, so it's not that
Speaker 2: bad of a trip. But they've done that before where
Speaker 2: we're just going to travel twenty four hours ahead, and
Speaker 2: they had a great game. I think they routed the
Speaker 2: Jaguars thirty five to seven, so they weren't you tired
Speaker 2: or anything like that. Where the Niners going to make
Speaker 2: a long trip out of it, but the Rams like
Speaker 2: no in and out, we're done.
Speaker 4: They're trying to time it to where they're essentially playing
Speaker 4: on adrenaline. Yeah, they're playing on a little bit of sleep,
Speaker 4: like one night of sleep and adrenaline. Yeah, and not
Speaker 4: even think about the fact that you're going as far
Speaker 4: as you're going and go there, handle business right back
Speaker 4: on the plane back home, and then take a few
Speaker 4: days to reacclimate and get back into your more normal
Speaker 4: routine for for the weeks to come. So, if anything,
Speaker 4: I feel like the forty nine ers have to have
Speaker 4: an advantage though you think going into it, I mean,
Speaker 4: I just I mean, and I know it's always a
Speaker 4: debate how the Niners handle injuries and how they handle
Speaker 4: the schedule, and how they all these different things. I mean, logically,
Speaker 4: I was talking with Copes and Todd Husack about this
Speaker 4: last night on the post game. Logically speaking, how can
Speaker 4: the forty nine ers not have the advantage in the
Speaker 4: way that in the way that they're doing it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't mean it's gonna work out well, I
Speaker 2: would say lately in sports for that game.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Maybe Now, maybe maybe the rams are also part
Speaker 4: of the equation. Maybe the rams are not putting as
Speaker 4: much on that one game. Maybe they're like, we're rolling
Speaker 4: the dice on this game and we're gonna play it out,
Speaker 4: but we're gonna be better for everything else we have ahead.
Speaker 5: Well.
Speaker 2: You know what's funny is Kyle's talked about this openly
Speaker 2: for a while now than what the plan is as
Speaker 2: far as their schedule. When Sean McVay has asked us,
Speaker 2: he's like, I don't want to talk about it. People
Speaker 2: are making too much a big deal out of it.
Speaker 2: Our schedules were our schedule.
Speaker 4: It's a mental thing. Yeah, And there is definitely a
Speaker 4: difference in philosophy as similar as Kyle Shanahan and McVeagh
Speaker 4: are I feel like Kyle is more rigid, Oh yeah,
Speaker 4: and McVeigh is more a bleep it like we'll just we'll.
Speaker 2: Just show us around with the media, where Kyle's like,
Speaker 2: I just want to get in and out of these
Speaker 2: press corps.
Speaker 4: And I think and look, I mean, Kyle's affable and
Speaker 4: he's he's friendly and even funny and different things like
Speaker 4: especially when he's when he's on with you guys, and
Speaker 4: so it's like he's he's I'm not saying he's tight
Speaker 4: or anything like that, but I do think he is
Speaker 4: much more structured, shall we say, than that. I think
Speaker 4: they both are to be to be clear, but I
Speaker 4: think he is more structured and prepared in certain way.
Speaker 4: I mean they're both prepared, but in a more I
Speaker 4: guess in a more traditional He's more traditional, he's more
Speaker 4: old school. Yes, I feel like Kyle even though he's
Speaker 4: a young guy.
Speaker 3: He's like that.
Speaker 4: Even though he's a young guy, and I think he
Speaker 4: vibes with young younger players and athletes and all of that,
Speaker 4: he is much more I think of an old soul
Speaker 4: when it comes to his football acumen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well I would.
Speaker 2: I would ask you the most important question, should he
Speaker 2: go mustache or no mustache?
Speaker 3: By way?
Speaker 4: Oh oh, that's an easy one for me. That's an
Speaker 4: easy one for me. Yes, no mustache.
Speaker 3: You're not a mustache.
Speaker 4: No, mustache. Come, no, no much.
Speaker 3: You're not a magne p I guy.
Speaker 4: Well, big Tom Salae guy, big big Tom Salae guy. Actually,
Speaker 4: but uh, I mean it's not nineteen eighty three, okay there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's gonna make a pull it off. I think that, Kyle,
Speaker 3: can you.
Speaker 4: Know in the peak peak original magne p I, like
Speaker 4: nineteen eighty four, Like it's not nineteen eighty four. Yeah, so,
Speaker 4: I you know, I I'm not a fan. I do
Speaker 4: whatever you want, Kyle, but it just seems a little
Speaker 4: seems a little weird. But yeah, I don't know that
Speaker 4: that could also just be me making it weird in
Speaker 4: my head.
Speaker 2: I can't pull off a mustache myself. I just don't
Speaker 2: think that that's a good look for me, I think.
Speaker 3: But but I think Kyle pulls it off.
Speaker 2: So, you know, if he's feeling good, let's let's let's
Speaker 2: bring the preseason the regular.
Speaker 4: He pulls it off. And I say this kiddingly, like, yeah,
Speaker 4: he pulls it off, but there's a little there's just
Speaker 4: a little too much. Jeff Fisher, Oh in there, Well.
Speaker 3: We got some seven and nine bs going on.
Speaker 4: Remember no, no, no, no, no, not the record, no, no, no,
Speaker 4: like that, but yes, I remember I went hard knocks
Speaker 4: with that mustache being like just that that those that
Speaker 4: behavior right there.
Speaker 3: That's some seven and nine bs.
Speaker 4: Was it was it a wedding or a party or
Speaker 4: what was the thing where Kyle he had the mustache
Speaker 4: going and he was like all suited up and he
Speaker 4: had the flow going in the back and I'm like,
Speaker 4: got this. He looks like Jeff Fisher.
Speaker 2: I actually don't remember that. It might have been, might
Speaker 2: have been McCaffrey's wedding.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I actually remember he was he was
Speaker 3: he was.
Speaker 4: I don't know. I just it for me. I shouldn't
Speaker 4: be making it awkward, but i'd shave the dash all right.
Speaker 4: It seems like he's gonna keep it. I don't. I
Speaker 4: don't know. Maybe he's been asked about it and.
Speaker 2: I miss I think, yes, I think Eric Branch brought
Speaker 2: it up. But he was like, if people keep asking
Speaker 2: me about this, I made.
Speaker 3: To shave it off.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that wasn't my first question when we talked to
Speaker 2: him this year. But I'll probably leave it alone.
Speaker 4: I think he's I would think he's probably gonna shave
Speaker 4: it before the open.
Speaker 3: I would think that would be my guests.
Speaker 4: Four.
Speaker 3: Wait, no, I'm kidding. Five.
Speaker 2: If you have an opinion about the stash by all
Speaker 2: means call in. But let's change things up. Let's talk
Speaker 2: a little Warriors JAD because.
Speaker 4: It's a little too ted Lasso.
Speaker 3: You think so a little bit? Are you a Lasso guy?
Speaker 4: Sure? But I don't like season one.
Speaker 3: Everything after that, I was like, I don't like. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: I hear you on that one.
Speaker 2: And as far as Tom Selleck, as far as the Warriors.
Speaker 3: The schedule came out.
Speaker 2: I want to get your thoughts about the schedule coming
Speaker 2: out a little later in the show. But I want
Speaker 2: to get your thoughts on some of the comments made
Speaker 2: by Mike de Levy Junior and Joe lakeup about this
Speaker 2: offseason and would they entertain trading Steph Curry very odd
Speaker 2: comments the last few days.
Speaker 3: We'll talk about it.
Speaker 2: John Dickinson, Derek Papa, Marcus Thompson joins us at three
Speaker 2: point fifty. It's dirty work on the patio fifty eight
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Speaker 1: Live from fifty eight Social at Oracle Park. This is
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Speaker 2: We're back, Derek Papa, John Dickinson for the Little Dirty Work
Speaker 2: On a Friday at fifty eight Social Marcus Thomps is
Speaker 2: gonna join us in about thirteen minutes talking about the
Speaker 2: Warriors off season, some comments from Mike Delevy Junior and
Speaker 2: Joe Lakeup and really good article he wrote the other
Speaker 2: day about the passing of Don Nelson's ask him about
Speaker 2: that as well. But Jad Tuck, let's let's talk some
Speaker 2: Warriors here. And Mike de Levy Junior was at forty
Speaker 2: nine ers practice a.
Speaker 3: Couple of days ago to joint practice. Did you see
Speaker 3: him there?
Speaker 4: And did jew he was there? Yeah? Yeah, didn't didn't
Speaker 4: get a chance to shot with him right right. And
Speaker 4: then I forgot that he was doing the call at
Speaker 4: two o'clock and I was driving home and I'm like, ah,
Speaker 4: he's doing the call right now.
Speaker 3: He's doing the call. Wasn't on the call, but he
Speaker 3: was talking to John Lynch.
Speaker 2: And then he did a prescott our little media zoom
Speaker 2: talking about the Warriors offseason, and some fans didn't like
Speaker 2: his comments, and we.
Speaker 3: Tried we make calls. A lot of reaction on social media.
Speaker 2: I think people coming down his road like he was
Speaker 2: far anziety or something like I get.
Speaker 3: It like he's been built.
Speaker 2: He's been dealt a pretty hard hand here where he's
Speaker 2: had to fill the shoes a Bob Myers and try to,
Speaker 2: you know, bring in some big time talent in Steph
Speaker 2: Curry's remaining year. So how would you evaluate Mike to
Speaker 2: Levy's job as a GM so far?
Speaker 4: I think he's done a solid job overall. I think
Speaker 4: his draft picks have been solid. I think that Jimmy
Speaker 4: Butler trade, while I've said a ton, is one that
Speaker 4: fell into their lap because Jimmy Butler had tanked his
Speaker 4: value with Miami to a point where you didn't have
Speaker 4: to give up a lot to get him. That being said,
Speaker 4: they still did give up the draft pick that was
Speaker 4: coming up the closest and they were comfortable with where
Speaker 4: that draft was going back to twenty twenty five. To
Speaker 4: give up that pick and you give up Andrew Wiggins,
Speaker 4: you got to give up somebody in a salary match
Speaker 4: in an attempt to make it happen. And they cobbled
Speaker 4: together a bunch of other money and pieces to go
Speaker 4: different places to make that trade ultimately work. So there
Speaker 4: are a bunch of things that had to be done
Speaker 4: to do it, and he was able to get it done.
Speaker 4: But as far as the actual player and his relationship
Speaker 4: with Jimmy, I think is part of why that trade
Speaker 4: did come to fruition, So I think he gets credit
Speaker 4: for that. I think the frustrating thing, though, is the
Speaker 4: inaction otherwise right and the unwillingness seemingly to pivot with
Speaker 4: Jimmy Butler's injury to it'll basically go with some shorter
Speaker 4: term options to where if you accept the fact and
Speaker 4: I think the Warriors have accepted the fact that they're
Speaker 4: no longer championship contenders, I think that that started with
Speaker 4: them losing in Phoenix in April. I think everybody's accepted it.
Speaker 4: I think Steph has accepted it. I think Steve Kerrs
Speaker 4: accepted it. I think Dunleavy's accepted it. Joe lacub not
Speaker 4: necessarily on the record, has accepted it.
Speaker 3: Raymond's accepted it.
Speaker 4: I think everybody's accepted it. Yeah, I think Raymond's accepted it.
Speaker 4: So when you accept that and you understand that the
Speaker 4: team that you had at the end of last year
Speaker 4: is also likely going to be the team if you
Speaker 4: don't change it that you bring back to begin next year,
Speaker 4: why not do something a little different. And that doesn't
Speaker 4: always mean for all the people that are screaming at
Speaker 4: fans and are screaming it at me, that are saying, well,
Speaker 4: what would you have done, JD, I would have done
Speaker 4: something else. Yeah, I really would have. And look, I'm
Speaker 4: I'm not opposed to bringing the guys back that they
Speaker 4: brought back either. Like I talked for the last two
Speaker 4: months of this season on dubzot about how you'd want
Speaker 4: to bring Porzingis back, and you'd like to have Horford back,
Speaker 4: and Melton's a good player and all that, but that
Speaker 4: can't be it. And you know, the Axellndenberg looks like
Speaker 4: a really good pick. You don't want to put too
Speaker 4: much on his plate in terms of having to be
Speaker 4: a savior in year one for a team that's waiting
Speaker 4: for their second best player to come back in the
Speaker 4: middle or maybe later than the middle of the season.
Speaker 4: So I would have looked to have moved Jimmy Butler's contract.
Speaker 4: I would have looked to have have got have brought
Speaker 4: in maybe some talented players that aren't necessarily going to
Speaker 4: get you back to championship contention, and yes, would have
Speaker 4: cost you first round draft capital in the near future,
Speaker 4: not all your picks, not not four future firsts and
Speaker 4: three swaps, and like nobody's saying that, but you give
Speaker 4: up a couple of first round picks in an attempt
Speaker 4: to get player X, Y or Z that can improve
Speaker 4: your team off of what this is going into this season.
Speaker 4: To me, once you accept you can't win a title anymore,
Speaker 4: then it should be free to be more aggressive. And
Speaker 4: for whatever reason, And I know dun Levey had said, hey,
Speaker 4: there are a bunch of things that you know were
Speaker 4: if you only knew the calls we made, and things
Speaker 4: you only knew could have been done and almost happened,
Speaker 4: and we're on the table. And fine, I don't I
Speaker 4: don't even disagree with that, right, but it is not
Speaker 4: a good look for this team to be exactly the same.
Speaker 4: Plus the Axelnde bird to the team that got beat
Speaker 4: on April eighteenth in Phoenix.
Speaker 3: Now, I mean it's not good.
Speaker 2: I think they're kind of delusional to be honest, when
Speaker 2: I hear Joe Laku go on with Tim Kawakami and
Speaker 2: say like, well, you know we were injured last year
Speaker 2: and we'll bring back all these players you weren't good
Speaker 2: before that let's be honest. Jimmy Butler said, we're mediocre,
Speaker 2: and then he got hurt, and then Steph.
Speaker 4: Curry got hurt. What it took him too long to
Speaker 4: get going? Yeah, they were two under five hundred and
Speaker 4: then they got going. Here's where I think it even
Speaker 4: goes back farther. I think they were foolish to believe,
Speaker 4: not that the team wasn't capable of being the twenty
Speaker 4: three and eight team that finished two years ago twenty
Speaker 4: four to twenty five season, but to think that that
Speaker 4: would translate over eighty two games, or even or translate
Speaker 4: over the healthy portion of Jimmy Butler season last year.
Speaker 4: To me, that was a fool's errand. And the reason
Speaker 4: that was a fool's errand was because of how hard
Speaker 4: the Warriors had to work to win those games. To
Speaker 4: get to that twenty three they busted their ass every
Speaker 4: single night for a third of the season, took only
Speaker 4: two to three games that they punted on. I think
Speaker 4: in that stretch maybe two and so they were again
Speaker 4: twenty three and eight, they were really like they were
Speaker 4: really or twenty yeah, twenty one and eight, twenty three
Speaker 4: and eight, yeah, yeah, twenty three. Sorry, I got them
Speaker 4: at twenty three and eight. It probably could have been
Speaker 4: twenty three and six, right, you know, because there were
Speaker 4: a couple that they kind of punted on there. So
Speaker 4: you weren't going to be that team because it's going
Speaker 4: to be too hard to bring that level of intent
Speaker 4: every night. And that's even before the injuries over an
Speaker 4: eighty two game schedule. So to me, you had to
Speaker 4: build a team that you knew that could be the
Speaker 4: ceiling for that team, but was better equipped to get
Speaker 4: through the regular season. They didn't do that, and then
Speaker 4: they kind of were lazy through the beginning part of
Speaker 4: the season. They were under five hundred. They had to
Speaker 4: have a get your bleep together meeting to try to
Speaker 4: get on a roll. They were getting on a roll,
Speaker 4: but then Jimmy Butler got hurt and they were six
Speaker 4: over instead of maybe fourteen over because they hadn't had
Speaker 4: the proper night in, night out compete up until that point.
Speaker 4: And then the whole thing falls apart, as it obviously
Speaker 4: would with not only Jimmy out and then and then
Speaker 4: Steph out, but to now have Mike Dunleavy come out
Speaker 4: and well, we love this team, and he's in essence
Speaker 4: saying he still thinks the team they have now is
Speaker 4: the same team that finished twenty four to twenty five
Speaker 4: that level of good, even though we're talking about now
Speaker 4: two years older on top of multiple injuries. It it's foolish,
Speaker 4: it really is. So I don't I don't think Dunleevey's
Speaker 4: bad at his job. I think there's a lot of
Speaker 4: circumstances that are unique to this situation with ownership and ownership, sons,
Speaker 4: involvements and things, you know, in terms of being in
Speaker 4: the front office that he can't always get the final
Speaker 4: say that he needs to maybe make something happen, and
Speaker 4: they have to get everybody to sign off on it.
Speaker 4: So I think there's an issue there. But to think
Speaker 4: that you're just gonna run it back is just and
Speaker 4: then everybody should just be okay with it, like what
Speaker 4: It's one thing to say you want to run it back,
Speaker 4: but then to almost have the expectation that the fans
Speaker 4: should be cool with it or something's wrong with them.
Speaker 4: That's that's that's a joke. Frankly, that's that's embarrassing. No,
Speaker 4: it is to think that there would not be pushback
Speaker 4: off of running it back. Plus y Axel and just
Speaker 4: kind of waiting for Jimmy and thinking that you're gonna
Speaker 4: be okay, and then putting added pressure on Staph to
Speaker 4: carry the load in the first half of the season.
Speaker 4: What's he gonna have left in the second half? And oh,
Speaker 4: by the way, what happens if he gets hurt in
Speaker 4: the first half. Again, it's a long it's a rant
Speaker 4: that I've gone on a couple of different times here
Speaker 4: on these Sports leader over the last couple of months.
Speaker 4: But nobody should be chastising Warrior fans for not being
Speaker 4: accepting of the way they've handled this offseason.
Speaker 3: No, it's ridiculous.
Speaker 2: I think that to expect Jimmy Butler to return from
Speaker 2: a torn acl and they'll be a better team.
Speaker 3: I don't see that.
Speaker 2: I don't see Moses Moody coming back from an injury
Speaker 2: at any point this season. It almost feels like they
Speaker 2: kind of run things now like the Pittsburgh Steelers where
Speaker 2: being ten and seven status quo. That's good for us,
Speaker 2: for the Warriors to be in the play in but
Speaker 2: they're not gonna be that well yeah, I mean no.
Speaker 2: The thing is like, if that was.
Speaker 4: The case, if it was, hey, we can get to
Speaker 4: the sixth seed. I think I think that would be.
Speaker 4: But they're they're delusional in thinking, like, what do you
Speaker 4: think they think their.
Speaker 3: Ceiling is be a top six team in the West?
Speaker 4: Yeah, what is there? What is there? What is the
Speaker 4: reality of their ceiling? Nine ten seed and the reality
Speaker 4: is seven at the absolute highest. Yeah, with the team
Speaker 4: they currently have, it's probably like nine. Yeah, it's probably
Speaker 4: like nine to twelve, nine to thirteen in the in
Speaker 4: the Western Conference, right.
Speaker 2: So that's I thought it was ridiculous when Joe Lacup
Speaker 2: went on with TK and said, you know, our fans
Speaker 2: expect this and that, well, because you set that mentality
Speaker 2: years ago where you said, you know, I don't care
Speaker 2: what the rules are, I'm gonna spend this amount of
Speaker 2: money to get these superstars. And now it's like, guys,
Speaker 2: in the last ten years, we've won four championships.
Speaker 3: Aren't you guys happy with that?
Speaker 2: And as a fan, yes I am, But don't expect
Speaker 2: fans to feel the same way.
Speaker 3: And that's ridiculous.
Speaker 2: So real quick, we don't need to play the audio,
Speaker 2: but just your thoughts on Mike to only be junior.
Speaker 2: I thought maybe this was his biggest misstep as a
Speaker 2: GM so far. I don't know why he said this,
Speaker 2: but the whole Danny Immerman asking him, like, has Steph
Speaker 2: maybe alluded to you guys that he doesn't want to
Speaker 2: sign back, and he kept going on and on and on, saying,
Speaker 2: if there's a point where Steph comes to me and
Speaker 2: Joe and says, I don't want to be here anymore,
Speaker 2: we kind of have to entertain, then it grant that
Speaker 2: for him.
Speaker 3: I thought that came out of nowhere.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I thought that. Actually, I will say I thought
Speaker 4: that actually got a little blown out of proportion. Okay,
Speaker 4: I think I think he's acknowledging, Hey, that isn't the case,
Speaker 4: that isn't where we are right now. But if Steph
Speaker 4: I think I actually think he was just being real.
Speaker 4: Like if Steph did, I don't view it as the
Speaker 4: Warriors would prefer that to happen, but I but I
Speaker 4: think that's where the that's where the anger comes from,
Speaker 4: that's where the frustration comes from. Me.
Speaker 2: I don't think that the Warriors prefer that happened. I
Speaker 2: just think it's a weird thing to say where.
Speaker 4: Well, I think it's I think it's an obvious thing
Speaker 4: to say though, Like if Steph came to them they'd
Speaker 4: work with him. But I think they also and Joel
Speaker 4: Aka mentioned this to Tim KAALAKAMEDI, they also are really
Speaker 4: confident he's not going.
Speaker 3: To do that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I think they look at that, and I
Speaker 4: will give them the benefit of the doubt on that.
Speaker 4: I think they look at that as kind of an
Speaker 4: eye roll. It's like, well, yeah, he answered the question
Speaker 4: in the literal, most literal term. I mean like if
Speaker 4: Steph came to them and said I want out, they
Speaker 4: would trade him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't doubt that.
Speaker 4: So I don't doubt think he was answering. Honestly, I
Speaker 4: don't know. I'll let you what what. I'll let you finished.
Speaker 3: I just thought I just thought it wasn't anything that
Speaker 3: needed to be said.
Speaker 2: I just thought it was a weird thing where not
Speaker 2: to compare him to Bob Myers all the time, but
Speaker 2: Bob wouldn't say anything like that in Joe. I don't
Speaker 2: know if he told Tim Kallakami, I want to go
Speaker 2: on your podcast to you know, clear the.
Speaker 4: Air here, but I could imagine it was probably already
Speaker 4: in the works.
Speaker 2: Probably, But like I think I think he, you know,
Speaker 2: let it be known, like we're not trading Steph Curry.
Speaker 3: Not that I thought that.
Speaker 2: Mike dellingby Junior thought that are are kind of like
Speaker 2: alluded to them. Maybe they will do that, But I
Speaker 2: just thought it was a weird thing to bring up,
Speaker 2: kind of a couple of.
Speaker 4: Years ago where Well Yet asked a question. I know,
Speaker 4: but the.
Speaker 2: Question wasn't if Steph Curry came to you and said
Speaker 2: he wants to be traded?
Speaker 3: Would you entertain that he brought that up on his own.
Speaker 2: I thought it was just random to bring up, and
Speaker 2: then Joe kind of acts like, Oh, that's bull crap,
Speaker 2: that's just stuff the media brings up.
Speaker 4: No, your GM brought up yesterday. No, he brought it up.
Speaker 4: It look gets fair to discuss it. But I also
Speaker 4: think it's fair if you're Joe Lakub to say it's
Speaker 4: a little bit silly to think that that would that
Speaker 4: that would be what would happen? Yeah, because I think
Speaker 4: they're really confident that Steph's not going to do that,
Speaker 4: and I think they're adamant that they don't want him
Speaker 4: to do that. And that's the part where again I
Speaker 4: will say I disagree with a certain portion of the
Speaker 4: fan base that thinks that like The Warriors essentially want
Speaker 4: Steph to go to them and say, hey, I want out,
Speaker 4: because now they can rebuild, and Joe would rather really
Speaker 4: rebuild quicker. Yeah, but I don't think Joelcob wants to
Speaker 4: rebuild more quickly than he necessarily has to because the
Speaker 4: moment at which Steph is gone, Chase Center's half full. Yeah,
Speaker 4: until the Warriors are good again, And that's just reality.
Speaker 3: All right.
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Speaker 2: off season. We're talking about the Mike and Levy Junior
Speaker 2: quote a couple of days ago where he brought up
Speaker 2: kind of out of left field that uh, I mean,
Speaker 2: not out of left field. I should say that's that
Speaker 2: that's a little much, but.
Speaker 4: Was asked, but he I think he just got and look,
Speaker 4: I don't want to speak for him on this. I'll
Speaker 4: let you finish your point. I think he just got
Speaker 4: kind of caught where he'd take it too. Honestly, sometimes
Speaker 4: you just you start giving an answer and you don't
Speaker 4: know where it's going. I mean it happens to you
Speaker 4: and me on this, but you just start you just
Speaker 4: start talking and you kind of wind yourself into a
Speaker 4: weird spot, right, and you either give something that maybe
Speaker 4: you didn't you didn't necessarily want to, or you talk
Speaker 4: about something in a little bit of a different way.
Speaker 4: I think I think that's what happened. I think it
Speaker 4: was kind of an honest miss. I don't even want
Speaker 4: to call the mistake because I don't even think it's
Speaker 4: necessarily a thing. Although anything related to Steph Curry in
Speaker 4: this market is obviously going to become a thing, of course,
Speaker 4: especially if you're talking about the prospect of him going
Speaker 4: and asking for a trade to not be a Golden
Speaker 4: State Warrior anymore.
Speaker 2: Well, the question that Danny Emmerman asked was has Steph
Speaker 2: given you any indication that he wouldn't want to sign
Speaker 2: an extension this offseason? And Mike, you know what, let's
Speaker 2: just play the clip play it. Yeah, this is Mike
Speaker 2: a couple of days ago, asked about Steph Curry's future
Speaker 2: with the Warriors.
Speaker 6: I think there's two things I'm confident about with Steph.
Speaker 6: He really really wants to win, and he wants to
Speaker 6: finish his career as a Warrior, and that's I don't
Speaker 6: think that changes tomorrow. August twenty ninth, the start of
Speaker 6: the season, middle of the season, the end of next season.
Speaker 6: I think that's those things are going to be consistent.
Speaker 4: No, he hasn't.
Speaker 6: That's always been the message. That's always been sort of
Speaker 6: what we discussed, and I think that's you tracking quite well. Obviously,
Speaker 6: he's for an extension coming up at the end of
Speaker 6: this month, and you know, we'll talk through all that
Speaker 6: stuff and can't speak on it much right now, but
Speaker 6: you know, I'm pretty confidence Steph will finish his career here.
Speaker 6: But you know, ultimately it's his it's his it's his call,
Speaker 6: his decision, whether that's all in his contract to run
Speaker 6: out and move on or you know, look, if he
Speaker 6: comes to me and wants to be moved, you know,
Speaker 6: Joe and I will talk it through. We wouldn't love it,
Speaker 6: but he's earned the right to do where he wants
Speaker 6: to do those things. So, but but as far as
Speaker 6: the messaging or any idea that he would be anywhere else,
Speaker 6: that's not a thing we're looking at, or he's looking at.
Speaker 2: Okay, So the meat and potatoes of what he's saying
Speaker 2: is the important stuff. In the beginning of that response,
Speaker 2: where he believes that Steph Cerry wants to finish.
Speaker 4: His beginning in the end. I mean he said it
Speaker 4: at the beginning and the end.
Speaker 2: Yes, But I thought there was just multiple times where
Speaker 2: he could have just stopped instead of saying, now, if
Speaker 2: he wants to let his contract play out a runout,
Speaker 2: or if he comes to us and asks for a trade.
Speaker 2: That's the part where I'm like, you know, how things
Speaker 2: are dissected. It was a talking point with the national
Speaker 2: media on ESPN, should Steph Curry ask for a trade?
Speaker 2: And when the GM acknowledges that, it just kind of
Speaker 2: has more fuel to the fire.
Speaker 4: It's fair for it to be a talking point. Yeah,
Speaker 4: of course, number one, because it is fair to wonder.
Speaker 4: I mean I've wondered it. I think Warrior fans have
Speaker 4: wondered when they look at what has been done to
Speaker 4: build this roster or not a lot of other stars
Speaker 4: would have already gone in and said, hey, you need
Speaker 4: to do this, this and this, or I want out.
Speaker 4: Even given four championships like, there are a lot of
Speaker 4: players that would have already done that. So it's a
Speaker 4: fair talking point, regardless of whether you agree with it
Speaker 4: or not. He wants to finish his career as a warrior.
Speaker 4: Mike Dudleyby said that always been the message, always been
Speaker 4: discussed that that way, and so I don't know. I
Speaker 4: think he was just being honest in that, Hey, this
Speaker 4: is what it would look like if it ever got
Speaker 4: to that point where it changed, if it changed in
Speaker 4: terms of that opinion. I also think if if if
Speaker 4: Steph's opinion changed and he wanted to apply pressure to
Speaker 4: the front office, which I don't believe that he's done,
Speaker 4: we can get Marcus Thompson's take on that.
Speaker 3: He's going to join us at four thirty.
Speaker 4: If if that's the case, then I mean, you look
Speaker 4: at this whole situation, and I think it's much ado
Speaker 4: about nothing, honestly, because if he wants to not be around,
Speaker 4: he would tell him that and they would again they
Speaker 4: would have to, I think, respect his wishes and look
Speaker 4: to move him. But he hasn't wanted to do that
Speaker 4: to this point in time. So I think whatever Mike
Speaker 4: Dunlevy said in between is it Honestly, it's kind of irrelevant.
Speaker 4: I think it's or it's it's kind of a duh,
Speaker 4: Like of course they would look to it looked either
Speaker 4: look to move him because he would want to be moved,
Speaker 4: or again, Steph would have the opportunity to apply that pressure,
Speaker 4: and then we'll see what the worri like if he
Speaker 4: applied that pressure, which he hasn't done. Would the Warriors
Speaker 4: be more apt to give up more to look to
Speaker 4: improve this team in the short term. Maybe they would,
Speaker 4: maybe they wouldn't. But to this point, Steph hasn't applied
Speaker 4: that pressure to where they felt they've needed to necessarily
Speaker 4: do that. Which, Oh, by the way, a lot of
Speaker 4: Warrior fans are ticked about because Steph's too nice and
Speaker 4: maybe the Warriors are taking advantage of Steph being too nice.
Speaker 2: No, but you know what, I appreciate that because so
Speaker 2: many guys play this card. If I'm a superstar, I
Speaker 2: want to get the hell out of here, and should
Speaker 2: Steph Curry do that? Maybe, but I do appreciate it.
Speaker 4: You can always threaten it and not do it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But I also think that Steph likes being here. I
Speaker 2: think that he likes that Steve Kurrz coming back. He
Speaker 2: likes the Draymonds here, So even though they're not contending
Speaker 2: for a championship, as you said earlier, he feels content
Speaker 2: about that. Like talking to Marcus Thompson and Moses Moody's thing.
Speaker 2: He's like, I know what the plan is, and you know,
Speaker 2: it's good to go out and try to get a
Speaker 2: Lebron James or inquire out Gian honest, but there's a
Speaker 2: lot of guys out there.
Speaker 3: That I didn't want to get.
Speaker 2: And you know what, Steph plays a role in this
Speaker 2: as well, Like people get up in arms about Mike
Speaker 2: don Levy Junior or sorry Mike, Mike Dunlevy or Joe
Speaker 2: Lacup and they're like, why are they more aggressive?
Speaker 3: Steph is also kind of like I don't want that guy.
Speaker 2: I don't I don't want to go get a lot remarking,
Speaker 2: and I don't want to go get that superstar. I'd
Speaker 2: rather just play with the guys we have. So I'm
Speaker 2: not taking Steph Curry out of the equation either. It's just
Speaker 2: I don't know. I thought it was puzzling that he
Speaker 2: would bring that up. But you're right, Jad, when you
Speaker 2: look at the or you listen to the quote altogether,
Speaker 2: yes it's duh, of course it is, but I still
Speaker 2: think it needed to be said. But Joe Lacup was
Speaker 2: asked about this with Tim Kawakami on his podcast asked
Speaker 2: if Steph Cury will sign a contract in the next
Speaker 2: couple of weeks here.
Speaker 5: I mean, we have to have that conversation with him.
Speaker 5: It's not the date yet, we're not really we're not
Speaker 5: at that point, but we're getting close. We'll have that conversation.
Speaker 5: We'll see what he wants to do, what his camp
Speaker 5: wants to do. Mike and our group will, you know,
Speaker 5: decide what's the appropriate thing from our end. But my
Speaker 5: guess is Steph, I wouldn't worry about this too much.
Speaker 5: You know, Steph loves it here. We love him here.
Speaker 5: I don't want Steph to go anywhere. I really can't
Speaker 5: imagine a scenario where he's going anywhere. I think we'll
Speaker 5: do what needs to be done.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm not surprised.
Speaker 2: I think that they may have some indication that he's
Speaker 2: going to sign the next couple of weeks here.
Speaker 3: But I would be shocking that he wouldn't put pen
Speaker 3: to paper.
Speaker 4: Well, I I don't know about that, and the reason
Speaker 4: why is not anything as far as him not wanting
Speaker 4: to be with the Warriors. But I wonder if he
Speaker 4: goes with his version of let's say what Draymond Green did,
Speaker 4: which is give the Warriors more flexibility by not signing
Speaker 4: the extension immediately, because if he signs the extension immediately,
Speaker 4: that money is on the books, right and so you
Speaker 4: have less money to maneuver with next off season, even
Speaker 4: with Jimmy Butler and Draymond Green potentially coming off the books,
Speaker 4: you could create a scenario where you could clear a
Speaker 4: bunch of this cap space maximum level cap space, try
Speaker 4: to make some moves either via trade because you can
Speaker 4: trade players into that cap space, or via regular free agency,
Speaker 4: pending on what's available on the market, and then sign
Speaker 4: Steph to go over the cap at that point to
Speaker 4: a deal that could equal the deal that he could
Speaker 4: get on August the twenty ninth. So there may be
Speaker 4: a financial component to this where when everybody sits down,
Speaker 4: it makes a little bit more sense to not necessarily
Speaker 4: sign between now or August twenty ninth, let's say, in
Speaker 4: the beginning of the regular season, because that deal is
Speaker 4: going to be on the table for Steph at any
Speaker 4: point moving forward up until he would be a free agent.
Speaker 4: So I think it's that there's a path where I
Speaker 4: think you almost wouldn't want him necessarily to sign. Now,
Speaker 4: does that create a scenario where you know, there's armageddon
Speaker 4: scenario where maybe he winds up not coming back. Yeah,
Speaker 4: you know maybe. But I don't think anybody listening to
Speaker 4: Mike dunleyby listening to Joel Aika, listening to Steph in
Speaker 4: the past. We can ask Marcus Thompson about it, like,
Speaker 4: I don't think anybody really views Steph leaving as a threat. Now, Look,
Speaker 4: Steph has to be willing to do that. Steph also
Speaker 4: could have an injury and all of a sudden, maybe
Speaker 4: a sixty five million dollar contract for that year or
Speaker 4: two on one hundred and thirty five or whatever it is,
Speaker 4: it becomes less if he has some kind of, you know,
Speaker 4: career altering even at this late stage of his career
Speaker 4: type of an injury. So I think that part has
Speaker 4: to be factored in and wide. But I wouldn't necessarily
Speaker 4: think that there should be some freak out if he
Speaker 4: doesn't immediately sign that deal.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I don't know if there would be
Speaker 2: a freak out, but it would just like cause the
Speaker 2: conversation of to Steph wan out.
Speaker 3: I mean, obviously that would happen.
Speaker 4: Where it would be a fair conversation.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just don't.
Speaker 2: I I would be prize myself just because Steph doesn't
Speaker 2: play these games.
Speaker 3: He's always been loyal. Go go ahead, no, no, no.
Speaker 4: I'm not I'm not coming down your road. Yes, he
Speaker 4: doesn't play these games. But at the same time, it's like,
Speaker 4: if you're a Warrior fan, don't you kind of want
Speaker 4: him to play these games? Because here's the thing. You
Speaker 4: you can you can applaud Steph and look, I'm not
Speaker 4: blaming Steph in this at all, but you can applaud
Speaker 4: Steph for not being a game player. But the fact
Speaker 4: that he's not a game player is leading to this
Speaker 4: scenario where the Warriors are not pushing harder to look
Speaker 4: to improve this team. Right, So it's kind of like,
Speaker 4: if you're a if you're the ultimate Steph fan and
Speaker 4: you respect the hell out of the out of Steph
Speaker 4: for not pushing the issue more, at the same time,
Speaker 4: you're one of these people that is demanding change that
Speaker 4: isn't there, And it's like, I mean, I gotta tell you,
Speaker 4: if I wanted this change, I'd want Steph to be
Speaker 4: a little more forceful. Again, that doesn't I'm not that
Speaker 4: doesn't mean I'm blaming him for not doing that, But
Speaker 4: I feel it's there's a little have your cake and
Speaker 4: eat it too at play here where it's like, you
Speaker 4: can't say this to Steph, you know, don't be pushy
Speaker 4: about it, and then they take advantage of you not
Speaker 4: being pushy about it by not doing anything. And then
Speaker 4: and then it's like, well.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that he should. He he uh, shouldn't
Speaker 2: be pushy about it. He should, But nothing has shown
Speaker 2: to me over the last few months that he would
Speaker 2: be Like in that Marcus Thompson article, he seems like, yeah,
Speaker 2: you know what, I appreciate how aggressive they are. I've
Speaker 2: seen behind the scenes, how hard they work. But he
Speaker 2: seems like he's okay with the way that things are going,
Speaker 2: which is surprising to me.
Speaker 4: It is surprising. And and again I'll let everybody speak
Speaker 4: to their own opinion as to whether that's disappointing or not,
Speaker 4: whether that's being stand up as a as an individual
Speaker 4: or not. But it is accurate, and it is I
Speaker 4: think a little bit surprising because I think he could
Speaker 4: apply more pressure than he has to this point.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think.
Speaker 4: He could still do it in a way where he's
Speaker 4: not necessarily coming off as others who have looked to
Speaker 4: do that throughout the course of history.
Speaker 2: Well, you know what was funny to me, like this
Speaker 2: happened a couple of months ago, But Draymond Greed did
Speaker 2: a guest spot on Inside the NBA where he gave
Speaker 2: a long, convoluted answer about the Warrior's future, and he said,
Speaker 2: I don't think we need to measure success anymore at
Speaker 2: this point in our careers with championships. And I was
Speaker 2: surprised by that because Draymond's been all about championships. He
Speaker 2: made a guarantee when they acquired Jimmy Butler they're gonna
Speaker 2: win the championship. But now and this point in their careers,
Speaker 2: I think Draymon, I think Steph, I think Steve to
Speaker 2: a degree with all the comments he made last year
Speaker 2: saying we're a fading dynasty where it's like we love
Speaker 2: being Warriors.
Speaker 3: Do we want to you know, we want to win championship?
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and you heard Joe Lacops say it numerous times
Speaker 2: in the podcast with TK, but he also kind of
Speaker 2: seems like, you know, if it doesn't happen, we're good,
Speaker 2: which you know, I kind of appreciate At the same time,
Speaker 2: I understand my fans are like, what the hell are
Speaker 2: you talking about?
Speaker 4: Right, But I understand Draymond acknowledging it and Steve Igno
Speaker 4: knowledging it and Steph acknowledging it. It's okay to acknowledge
Speaker 4: the reality they're not a title contender.
Speaker 3: They're not.
Speaker 4: They're not, and they weren't on April eighteenth, and they've
Speaker 4: done nothing to make them that in the last four months.
Speaker 4: That's just reality. You cannot be a title contender and
Speaker 4: also not bring the exact same roster back plus your
Speaker 4: first round draft pick and Jack Lindeberg and expect to
Speaker 4: be better than you were, like it. Like, both of
Speaker 4: those things are equally true in this case, and I
Speaker 4: think that's the part that's frustrating. I would think acknowledging
Speaker 4: the fact that you're no longer a title contender would
Speaker 4: make it more freeing to look to think outside the
Speaker 4: box and douce you know it doesn't have and not
Speaker 4: bring everybody back and look. Dunleavy explained it. They did
Speaker 4: a risk reward on the guys they had and the
Speaker 4: guys they like, and they're betting on health again. I
Speaker 4: think foolishly they're betting on health at an extreme level.
Speaker 4: And look, if you want to bring some of these
Speaker 4: veterans back, that's okay too, but you have to also
Speaker 4: add younger players to the mix that are gonna be
Speaker 4: able to absorb a lot of the minutes where you're
Speaker 4: not gonna have Horford or Perzingis player Melton's gonna need
Speaker 4: a night off or Steph's gonna need a night off
Speaker 4: or drama like they haven't. You could bring all these
Speaker 4: guys back, add two or three other players that could
Speaker 4: absorb those those minutes to where you could get through
Speaker 4: the regular season more effectively. They didn't do that either.
Speaker 4: They didn't do that either. And that's the part that
Speaker 4: I think is maddening, because I think everybody can see
Speaker 4: where this thing looks like it's heading for twenty twenty six,
Speaker 4: twenty seven.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, we'll see about this season.
Speaker 2: But let's go through the schedule real quick before we
Speaker 2: catch up with Marcus Thompson at four thirty. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: know it doesn't like it does sound promising, but let's
Speaker 2: go through the schedule. John Dickets and Derek Papa here
Speaker 2: at the patio of Show at fifty eight Social It's
Speaker 2: dirty work on these sports leader