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Speaker 1: Dirty work on a Wednesday afternoon.

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Speaker 2: The Giants with a series win, their second series win

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Speaker 2: of twenty twenty six in their first series win at home.

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Speaker 2: Here to talk about it and he covers the Giants

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Speaker 1: Bags. What's going on, man? How are you?

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Speaker 3: I'm doing well, just in the press box, trying to

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Speaker 3: finish up my story, but I'm happy to take some

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Speaker 3: time with you. How's everything with you going?

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Speaker 1: Well? I guess I'm sitting like right. I guess I'm

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Speaker 1: right below you. Is that well? I read it.

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Speaker 2: I guess I'm right right above you. I can't remember

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Speaker 2: exactly where you are, Bags, but I'm I'm here, dude.

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Speaker 2: I'm in the auxiliary.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I never know where you're, no, because the bunker's gone.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, but if you if you need popcorn, that's

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Speaker 2: the place to be, you know, down on that level.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so we are. We're in the broadcast.

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Speaker 3: Something always smart like a donut donut card or they

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Speaker 3: got soft serve in there. I mean, where where was

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Speaker 3: all that before? You need all that and there before?

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Speaker 3: When you guys love recording.

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Speaker 1: It, I could have used it before when we were

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Speaker 1: sitting here after a ballgame. Would have been nice.

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Speaker 2: Nice win for the Giants today and a nice win

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Speaker 2: for them last night. I guess the first thing I

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Speaker 2: want to ask about because a lot of the listeners,

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Speaker 2: and I'm sure you've seen people on social media all

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Speaker 2: all clamoring for more Daniel Sussak, and he's had a

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Speaker 2: pretty incredible start offensively to his young career. Is there

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Speaker 2: any plan you think for the Giants to go that

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Speaker 2: route to work him in to get more consistent at bats?

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Speaker 2: I mean, d hing isn't really an option when you've

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Speaker 2: only got one backup catcher. Are you getting the impression

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Speaker 2: that that they're looking to get him more at bats

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Speaker 2: in other places?

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Speaker 1: You know?

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Speaker 3: I think so. I think at minimum it's become a

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Speaker 3: pretty automatic decision that he's gonna start against lefties, or

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Speaker 3: he should start against you most lefties, and maybe they'll

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Speaker 3: look at, you know, giving him more starts day game

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Speaker 3: after a night game. You know, you know, Patrick Bailey

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Speaker 3: it's not to minimize you know, the importance that he

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Speaker 3: especially when the team is struggling to score runs. You know,

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Speaker 3: he's showing someone who can really put the bat on

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Speaker 3: you want more of that in there. But it's only

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Speaker 3: two games. You don't really overreact anything. But he did

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Speaker 3: also have a nice spring training. I thought it was

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Speaker 3: and think opposite way against good pitchers. You know, he's

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Speaker 3: But I think he is earning his way into a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I'm kind of writing this in my story.

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Speaker 3: But and this this predates me. But there was like

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Speaker 3: this old board game, Milton Bradley board game called Mystery Date.

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Speaker 3: You know, mystery. Yeah, open the door to your mystery.

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Speaker 3: So I feel like that's the bullpen right now. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I think there's a middle ground can be met there.

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Speaker 2: Well, after the way they lost on Monday upfore nothing

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Speaker 2: and then not closing the door, it's a good point

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Speaker 2: to make there, the twenty scoreless innings for the Giants

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Speaker 2: Talking to Andy Baggerley on the UMA guest line, I

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Speaker 3: Didn't ask him specifically about Tidwell. We you know, we

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Speaker 3: Raffie Devers takes off, before everybody else we want to

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Speaker 4: It's talking to Andy Baggerley on the UMA guest line.

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Speaker 4: I think with the Patrick Bailey Daniel sus sect debate

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Speaker 4: one forty three on the season right now and honestly

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Speaker 4: has not lived up to expectations since signing that contract.

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Speaker 3: Well, really, I mean one thing that I really focused

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Speaker 3: kind of repurpose it. But you take their four sort

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Speaker 2: us on the UMA guestline. Just a couple of minutes

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Speaker 2: here with bags. Gotta get him a gotta let him

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Speaker 2: get out here and finish that article. So you mentioned

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Speaker 2: just Tony Vaitelo there and how how long these pressers go?

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, I think he's gonna kind of learn

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Speaker 2: Andrew Becker. He covers the Giants Ford in the Athletic.

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Speaker 2: He joins us every Wednesday here talking Giants baseball bags.

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Speaker 2: Great to catch up with you man, Good luck finishing

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Speaker 2: up today and we'll talk to you soon.

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Speaker 3: Thanks.

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Speaker 1: Pegs.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, awesome, podcast next week. Thanks tak care good