WEBVTT - Andrew Baggarly on how the Giants are set up for the future

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<v Speaker 1>Let's go to the UMA guest line right now for

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<v Speaker 1>for Andrew Baggerley Giants beat Rider from the Athletic Giants

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<v Speaker 1>in fourth place, take on the Tigers tonight. Andy, thanks

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<v Speaker 1>for the time, man, We appreciate you jumping in. Do

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<v Speaker 1>we know who's going to start tonight or what the

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<v Speaker 1>plan is for the Giants on the mound tonight?

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<v Speaker 2>I do know what they're doing. In fact, I've forgotten

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<v Speaker 2>you call this up here. I think I think they

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<v Speaker 2>were going to use an opener for Adrian Hauser. I

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<v Speaker 2>think that's what That's what the text was. Boy, I

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<v Speaker 2>take one day off and I'm just completely out of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh No, JAJ brew Baker is starting tonight. Brew Baker

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<v Speaker 2>starting tonight. So I would assume the Hawser is going

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<v Speaker 2>to be kind of the bulk guy. Remember back to

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<v Speaker 2>the Gabe Capler days when we talk about guys in

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<v Speaker 2>different buckets and you have your right right guys and

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<v Speaker 2>whatever he called them. So I think that's kind of

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<v Speaker 2>what we're doing. Adrian Howser is going to be your

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<v Speaker 2>long guy bucket guy tonight, and JT. Brubaker is going

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<v Speaker 2>to start, and you know, I mean they're gonna have

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<v Speaker 2>to get a little bit clever and creative here with

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<v Speaker 2>you know, trading away two fists of their rotation. And

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<v Speaker 2>and Lannon up has already passed his innings high as well,

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<v Speaker 2>and Logan Webb. I mean, you know, there's gonna be

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<v Speaker 2>no reason to really push him. You know, he missed

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit of time. He's not gonna be contending

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<v Speaker 2>for the cy young probably, so a lot of pride

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<v Speaker 2>and he wants to go out there and compete every day.

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<v Speaker 2>But there are gonna be times when they're probably gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be in his best interest to throttle him back too.

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<v Speaker 2>So they're gonna have to get creative just when it

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<v Speaker 2>comes to filling innings and and obviously they want to

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<v Speaker 2>use it as an opportunity to do as much evaluating

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<v Speaker 2>as they can figure out how everybody's gonna fit. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so they're gonna start with the opener tonight, and you

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<v Speaker 2>probably make the case that they should have started doing

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<v Speaker 2>that a while ago.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, you know you've been covering this team

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<v Speaker 1>for a while. I want to ask you about Tony.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, do you have a good vibe on Tony?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you have a do you do you know Tony? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, how would you compare your relationship that you

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<v Speaker 1>have with Tony compared to like, maybe the relationship you

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<v Speaker 1>had with Kapler. This is obviously not about innings one

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<v Speaker 1>through nine. This is more about feel and vibe and

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<v Speaker 1>how you personally feel about the guys that you cover.

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<v Speaker 1>But where do you how do you evaluate Tony and

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<v Speaker 1>what kind of relationship do you feel like you have

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<v Speaker 1>with him right now?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think it's a little bit difficult because you know,

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<v Speaker 2>first of all, I think we make a lot about

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<v Speaker 2>managerial performance, and there's no question, I mean, Bruce Bochi

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<v Speaker 2>pushed all the right buttons in October. He also obviously

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<v Speaker 2>had a lot of things go his way and the

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<v Speaker 2>team's way, you know, to win those three World Series titles.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess the point I'm trying to make is, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>really really talented teams can make any manager look smart.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, I think one way that the Giants

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<v Speaker 2>would probably need to redo the season is, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>they didn't give him much of a bullpen, and nothing

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<v Speaker 2>makes a manager look, you know, less smart than a

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<v Speaker 2>bullpen that is just kind of a mess and you

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<v Speaker 2>can never figure out, never rely on, and so you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's a little bit of an unfair evaluation just

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<v Speaker 2>because you know, there are parts of the team that

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<v Speaker 2>were just not up to snuff. And but you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's hard to know exactly who's doing all of the

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<v Speaker 2>button pushing. It seems to me that Tony does a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of delegating, you know, really lets his pitching coaches

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<v Speaker 2>run the pitching. You know, he obviously writes off the lineup.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a few things that I think you can criticize him.

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<v Speaker 2>For one, he hasn't been a super clear communicator, which

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<v Speaker 2>I think was supposed to be the thing that he

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<v Speaker 2>was a strong suit in terms of relationship with us.

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<v Speaker 2>He's not very personable and that's just his style and

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<v Speaker 2>that's fine. But he's always accessible. He's always available. He

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't always have all the answers, but he tries to

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<v Speaker 2>answer the questions the best he can. I will say that,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I do think that they've left a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of little advantages on the table. There have been a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of learning experiences. And the part that really is

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit difficult for me to wrap my head

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<v Speaker 2>around is, you know, being five hundred wasn't good enough

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<v Speaker 2>last year. It got Bob Melvin fired and he's a

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<v Speaker 2>guy who was a three time Manager of the Year

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<v Speaker 2>award winner. So what does that tell you their goals

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<v Speaker 2>were this year? Their goal was to be a playoff team,

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<v Speaker 2>So you hire a manager who you know it's going

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<v Speaker 2>to be a steep learning curve. It just I still

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<v Speaker 2>have a hard time understanding why they went in that

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<v Speaker 2>direction when the goal was to win. Now, this isn't

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<v Speaker 2>the Rockies, this isn't a super young team like the Nationals,

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<v Speaker 2>And in a lot of ways, maybe down the stretch

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<v Speaker 2>these last two months, the team will be a better

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<v Speaker 2>match for you know what Tony's really good at, which is,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, getting the most out of young players. And

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<v Speaker 2>I do think that there was more development that had

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<v Speaker 2>to start happening with young guys in the big leagues

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<v Speaker 2>than what we were seeing. And ultimately, you know, Bryce

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<v Speaker 2>Eldridge is having a really nice year as a twenty

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<v Speaker 2>one year old in the big leagues and he's showing

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<v Speaker 2>some great on base skills. I think that's a credit

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<v Speaker 2>to him more than really a reflection on the coaching staff.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, it's an environment where a young player

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<v Speaker 2>is getting better in the big leagues, and that's one

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<v Speaker 2>of the reasons Tony's here, and at least in the

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<v Speaker 2>case of Eldridge, that's what we're seeing. So this is

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<v Speaker 2>all a big roundabout way of saying I think just

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<v Speaker 2>get too much credit and too much blame when things

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<v Speaker 2>go right a wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway, No, I'm with you on that. The Giants are

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<v Speaker 1>ten and twenty in one run games. It's the record

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<v Speaker 1>in all of MLB. I mean, is that you've already

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<v Speaker 1>kind of referenced the pen is a little bit, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's been very inconsistent, as simple as that. Bags that, Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>their pen's not been very consistent. Thus they lose a

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<v Speaker 1>bunch of one run games. Is it the margins? They

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<v Speaker 1>don't steal a lot of bases, they don't walk a lot,

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<v Speaker 1>they do give up a lot of walks. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>is there anything that you can point to that you

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<v Speaker 1>would say, you know what that is directly related to

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<v Speaker 1>ten and twenty in one run games.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, there have been a lot of games on the road,

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<v Speaker 2>especially where they've gotten walked off. I mean, poor Dylan

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<v Speaker 2>Smith has been walked off in four different ballparks this year.

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<v Speaker 2>And I do think that there have been a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of little decisions that you could fairly second guess, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>especially both those double header losses in Philly, you can

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<v Speaker 2>really pick those apart for a billion things that they

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<v Speaker 2>didn't do, you know, uh, you know, deciding when to

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<v Speaker 2>pitch to Kyle Schwarber, when not to pitch to Fernando

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<v Speaker 2>Tattists Junior. I mean, it's it's tough, you know, you

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<v Speaker 2>can you can second guess any move that doesn't work out.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, there there have been a lot of little

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<v Speaker 2>choices late in games when you know, maybe they've done

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<v Speaker 2>something that that is very easy to second guess, and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, again that's all part of the learning experience,

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<v Speaker 2>and and that's that's sort of you sort of hope that.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>And you talk to Buster Posey, you talked to Zach Manassian.

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<v Speaker 2>They really have a lot of confidence in this, in

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<v Speaker 2>this coaching staff. And I'm sure there are going to

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<v Speaker 2>be stone changes on staff after the year. They usually are.

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<v Speaker 2>But they think that Tony's going to figure this out

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<v Speaker 2>and the things that he doesn't really grasp or he's

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<v Speaker 2>not really good at now they think he's got the

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<v Speaker 2>aptitude to to get better at those aspects of the job.

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<v Speaker 2>Now that's their opinion. They may not be right, and

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<v Speaker 2>if they're wrong, then you know that'll be born out

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<v Speaker 2>over time, right. But but yeah, I do think that

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<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of little things that could have gone

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<v Speaker 2>differently to up some of those one run losses in

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<v Speaker 2>the wins.

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<v Speaker 1>Giants made a lot of trades at the trade deadline.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, you've got, you know, sources and people that

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<v Speaker 1>you talk to and people around the game that may

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<v Speaker 1>know something more about some of these players that they

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<v Speaker 1>got back in return. Do you have a trade that

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<v Speaker 1>you like the most or one that you think was

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<v Speaker 1>you like the least. I mean, give me a perspective

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<v Speaker 1>on the on the trade deadline from what you're hearing.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I think you have to like Marcella Meyer,

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<v Speaker 2>even if it's a twenty five percent chance that he

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<v Speaker 2>turns into the player that the Red Sox thought they had.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you're giving up Eric Miller, and he does

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<v Speaker 2>have some control, but he also has had, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>some health issues in his past, and like every pitcher does,

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<v Speaker 2>but he's had a few more than most and he's

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<v Speaker 2>still walking six per nine even though he's got you know,

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<v Speaker 2>wipeout stuff. So you know, I think you make that

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<v Speaker 2>trade every day of the week, and even if it's

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<v Speaker 2>just like I said, a twenty five percent chance that

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<v Speaker 2>he turns into the player that everyone thought he was

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<v Speaker 2>going to be, and you know, and trading Elliot Romos,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, maybe maybe Meyer becomes the second basement next

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<v Speaker 2>year and then left field it becomes where you play

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<v Speaker 2>Casey Schmidt. So you know, the pieces might actually might

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<v Speaker 2>actually fit there with those two deals in concert. And

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<v Speaker 2>I just like the fact that they got a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of pitching in their system. I think they knew that

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<v Speaker 2>Luisa Rise was probably their biggest piece to move in

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<v Speaker 2>terms of what he could get as a rental player,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, they needed to go get someone who

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<v Speaker 2>they could slot really at the top of their system

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<v Speaker 2>or right under Jackson Flora. That the kid they just

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<v Speaker 2>took in the draft, and and they think that that

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<v Speaker 2>Marquez is that kind of pitcher. So yeah, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's they felt they did really well in terms of

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<v Speaker 2>restocking some arms, and between that and the draft, that's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of what they really had to do.

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<v Speaker 1>What is Mayer's status. I know he has got some

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<v Speaker 1>form of a minor injury. Are we going to see

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<v Speaker 1>him here in short order or what are you hearing?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? He reported to San Francisco a couple of days ago.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure if he's going to be at the

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<v Speaker 2>ballpark today or be able to talk to us. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>sure we would love to be able to to meet

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<v Speaker 2>him and talk to him and get his thoughts about,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, joining a new organization. The there's a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of confidence that you know he's gonna play this year

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<v Speaker 2>and and hopefully play you know, a decent number of games.

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<v Speaker 2>He was just starting his swing progression, as I understand it,

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<v Speaker 2>from the stress reaction that he has in his forearm.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess he tried to play through and might might

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<v Speaker 2>have led to some of his numbers being not so

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<v Speaker 2>great this year. So getting him healthy is number one.

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<v Speaker 2>And then getting him in a place where he can compete,

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<v Speaker 2>uh and and and maybe start to play a few

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<v Speaker 2>different positions. So what I'm hearing is he's a pretty

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<v Speaker 2>good second baseman. He's really could be a very good

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<v Speaker 2>third baseman, and shortstop is a place he can play.

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<v Speaker 2>But maybe he's he's not an average shortstop, maybe a

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<v Speaker 2>tick below, but you know, who knows he's He's only

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<v Speaker 2>twenty three, so there's a lot of meat on the

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<v Speaker 2>bone in terms of developments. So yeah, looking forward to

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<v Speaker 2>meeting him and and and he's he's a California kid.

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<v Speaker 2>He went to the same high school as Casey Schmidt

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<v Speaker 2>down in chey Vista in San Diego. So maybe there'll

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<v Speaker 2>be a little little Giants enclave of Giants fans in

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<v Speaker 2>Padre's country.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, Hey, one last one on Kruk Hanging it up.

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<v Speaker 1>Thirty seven years in the broadcast, Booth an amazing career

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<v Speaker 1>on the field, off the field. Do you have a

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<v Speaker 1>perspective you can share? We had Boach on this morning

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<v Speaker 1>and he talked about the chemistry of Kruk and Kuype

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<v Speaker 1>and just the easy listening nature of their broadcast. But

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<v Speaker 1>you've been listening for years as well? What stands out?

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<v Speaker 2>Boy? How much time do you have? I mean, well,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, first of all, it's uh, it's yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 2>you just never wanted to end.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like Dwayne Kuyper said yesterday when I called him.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, the first thing that Dwayne said was, Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe I'm glad he's gone. Do you ever think of that?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I got the whole town in myself now.

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<v Speaker 2>So but that's it, I mean, it's it stirs up

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<v Speaker 2>so many emotions that you kind of have to disarm

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<v Speaker 2>it with some humor, you know, so good on Duayne

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<v Speaker 2>for that. But I just think of two guys who

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<v Speaker 2>are just best friends and and you're you're in on

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<v Speaker 2>the conversation, you know, and one's a former infielder, one's

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<v Speaker 2>a former pitcher, and they got all the bases covered.

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<v Speaker 2>They know the game so well in and out, and

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<v Speaker 2>they know that to tell the story of the game,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you got to be focused on the game.

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<v Speaker 2>But they also just never took themselves too seriously and

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<v Speaker 2>uh and never like needed to show you how smart

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<v Speaker 2>they were, how much they knew, even though they've forgotten

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<v Speaker 2>more baseball than and I'll ever know. And and and yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>just just being able to be part of their camaraderie

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<v Speaker 2>and feel like you're kind of in on the conversation.

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<v Speaker 2>You just don't get that, you know, there's nothing plastic

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<v Speaker 2>about listening to them. It's it's it's all just uh,

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<v Speaker 2>just really good this banter and and and just two

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<v Speaker 2>guys have them fun at the ballpark and they love

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<v Speaker 2>to do it. And it's just it sucks that, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>his health challenges have gotten to the point where it's

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<v Speaker 2>just really really logistically difficult for him to travel back

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<v Speaker 2>and forth from Reno and and you understand that obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>but you know, he certainly knows the game and as

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<v Speaker 2>sharp as as ever, and you wish that they could

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<v Speaker 2>just keep doing it forever. So I hope and they

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<v Speaker 2>can't be on the Hall of Fame ballot this next time,

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<v Speaker 2>because once every five years the committee looks at announcers

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<v Speaker 2>who retired before the wild character, so before nineteen ninety five,

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<v Speaker 2>but then the next four years after that, they'd obviously

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<v Speaker 2>both of them would be eligible to be on the ballot.

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<v Speaker 2>Both have been on the ballot multiple times, they've been

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<v Speaker 2>on the ballot at the same time. So you know,

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<v Speaker 2>here's what needs to happen. They need to go in together.

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<v Speaker 2>This is obvious, and the Hall of Fame hasn't made

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<v Speaker 2>any kind of exception even though they should. So the

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<v Speaker 2>frick voters, the former winners, they're the ones who vote

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<v Speaker 2>on this. So I would to get in front of

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<v Speaker 2>that whole room. I can't, obviously, but if I could,

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<v Speaker 2>I'd say, look, there's nothing that can prevent you from

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<v Speaker 2>putting in a tide ballot and just vote for both

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<v Speaker 2>of them. And say, tie, can't make up my mind.

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<v Speaker 2>Got to vote for both of them and then put

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<v Speaker 2>them both in and make the Hall put them both

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<v Speaker 2>in at the same time, because they deserve to go in.

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<v Speaker 2>They deserve to go in while you know they they're

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<v Speaker 2>they're here, and we the rest of us deserve to

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<v Speaker 2>hear those speeches because they're going to be some of

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<v Speaker 2>the best Hall of Fame speeches ever given. So we

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<v Speaker 2>got to make that happen.

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<v Speaker 1>No question, no question about it. I know it hasn't

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<v Speaker 1>happened before, but guess what, there's always a good time

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<v Speaker 1>to set a new precedent, and this would be that time. Bags.

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<v Speaker 1>We always love your always love your coverage. Man, keep

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<v Speaker 1>it rolling. No, it's been a tough year on a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of fronts, but uh, we enjoy your coverage. Thanks

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<v Speaker 1>for jumping on KMBR.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep, thank you, Larry,