WEBVTT - I Got Flipped Off Good & Hard Yesterday

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<v Speaker 1>THE END Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio

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<v Speaker 1>at the George Washington Broadcast Center. Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.

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<v Speaker 1>Armstrong and Getty.

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<v Speaker 2>And now, here's Armstrong and Getty. Live, live, live from

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<v Speaker 2>Studio CCC. Si, senor. A dimly lit room deep in

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<v Speaker 2>the bowels of the Armstrong and Getty Communications compound. And hey, y'all,

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<v Speaker 2>kicking off a brand new week.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, this week.

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<v Speaker 2>What's it going to be like, I wonder?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh.

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<v Speaker 2>Is this going to be the week all my dreams

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<v Speaker 2>come true?

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe.

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<v Speaker 2>Win the lottery, meet Mrs.

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<v Speaker 4>Wright.

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<v Speaker 2>Or is this the week I march to my car

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<v Speaker 2>with a cardboard box? And I get a letter from

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<v Speaker 2>the IRS saying you completely missed like four years. You

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<v Speaker 2>don't remember.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I just went on a prediction market and bet

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<v Speaker 5>on the second one.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, welcome to the show. And we're toiling under the

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<v Speaker 2>title of the show today.

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<v Speaker 5>Western liberal values under attack from everyone but space aliens.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, you think about it. Islamism, the left, the right,

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<v Speaker 5>the socialists, the apathy.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh, boy.

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<v Speaker 5>Or if you prefer, AI Uh-Oh Part 2 of 1000.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow. This topic is not going away. No kidding. It

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<v Speaker 2>definitely exploded over the weekend. Finally, as a guy who's

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<v Speaker 2>been obsessed with this for a while and watching all

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<v Speaker 2>the videos and reading all the books and listening to

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<v Speaker 2>all the podcasts, now everybody is talking about it. It's

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<v Speaker 2>pretty darned interesting. Man, over the weekend, I mean, Dario

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<v Speaker 2>from Anthropic was all over the place on every show,

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<v Speaker 2>wrote that big letter on Saturday, open letter that we'll

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<v Speaker 2>talk about later. And the Twitterverse was all excited with

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<v Speaker 2>all kinds of different comments from all the different people,

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<v Speaker 2>all the heavyweights in the AI industry weighing in. So

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<v Speaker 2>it's definitely at peak people talking about it. Here's one

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<v Speaker 2>of my favorite things I came across over the weekend.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know who this guy is who tweeted this out,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's about the whole AI thing and the way

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<v Speaker 2>that the guy runs Anthropic and the guy runs OpenAI

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<v Speaker 2>and Elon running that one and everything. We invented a

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<v Speaker 2>Roomba chainsaw combo that unexpectedly sliced through our neighbor's house

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<v Speaker 2>and toddler. Who could have foreseen this? Who should be

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<v Speaker 2>held responsible? What should we do? Wow.

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<v Speaker 7>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 5>All right.

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<v Speaker 2>So here's my... That's hilarious. Horrible, but hilarious. Here's my

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<v Speaker 2>philosophical thought. Hang with me now. A rumor chainsaw combo.

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<v Speaker 2>Who could have imagined that something would have gone wrong?

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<v Speaker 2>That's a really good metaphor.

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<v Speaker 5>So you remember back when we mocked a clip of

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<v Speaker 5>Wolf Blitzer, who his crutch.

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<v Speaker 2>Became good thing or bad thing? Good thing or bad thing?

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<v Speaker 2>Everything had to be reduced to that. And it was

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<v Speaker 2>so emblematic.

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<v Speaker 5>Of the idiocy of most of the media. That's as

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<v Speaker 5>deep as they go. This might be the ultimate example

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<v Speaker 5>of he's right. Those people contradicting him are right. Those

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<v Speaker 5>people over there begging us to consider this are right.

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<v Speaker 5>And the cynics who are saying none of it's as

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<v Speaker 5>big as they're saying.

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<v Speaker 2>They're right, too.

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<v Speaker 5>It's a swirling mix of, yeah, they have a self-interest

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<v Speaker 5>in promoting regulation, and maybe there.

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<v Speaker 2>Should be regulation.

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<v Speaker 5>And, you know, the doomers are right, but maybe they're

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<v Speaker 5>not entirely pure of heart.

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<v Speaker 2>And just to shout good.

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<v Speaker 5>Thing or bad thing at this, which is what mostly

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<v Speaker 5>happens in the media, is just, I think it's missing

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<v Speaker 5>the point.

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<v Speaker 2>This is an enormous new challenge. Well, for the crowd

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<v Speaker 2>who thinks this is only... regulatory capture to try to

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<v Speaker 2>stay in the lead i think that's just nuts there

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<v Speaker 2>are way too many people that have been writing talking

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<v Speaker 2>about ai their whole lives who have no financial gain

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<v Speaker 2>that i can see that they they get from this

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<v Speaker 2>agree that we're on the verge of a catastrophe and

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<v Speaker 2>something needs to be done right so it's what you

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<v Speaker 2>said regulatory capture would help anthropic if they put in

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<v Speaker 2>all these guardrails so you can't have any competition And

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<v Speaker 2>he's completely right that it's about to go off the

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<v Speaker 2>rails and we better wake up to it.

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<v Speaker 5>And the insiders in this field, they're extremely important to

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<v Speaker 5>look to for greater understanding of what we're talking about.

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<v Speaker 5>On the other hand, I'll remind you, folks, and this

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<v Speaker 5>is a good this is.

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<v Speaker 2>Not a good idea.

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<v Speaker 5>This may be the best idea. We have civilian control

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<v Speaker 5>of the military in the United States.

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<v Speaker 2>Why is that?

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<v Speaker 5>Because maybe generals aren't the best people to decide whether

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<v Speaker 5>we go to war or not. Likewise, the AI superpowers,

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<v Speaker 5>maybe they're not the ones who ought to be in

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<v Speaker 5>charge of.

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<v Speaker 2>The big philosophical decisions. Oh, boy. Or the regulatory decisions.

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<v Speaker 2>On that front, holy cow. Watching Dario on a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of the shows over the weekend talking about anthropic and

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<v Speaker 2>AI and everything like that. He is probably some level

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<v Speaker 2>of super genius with AI. And, you know, he is

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<v Speaker 2>he's so much smarter than me. I can't comment on

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<v Speaker 2>anything like that. But he ain't smarter than me when

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<v Speaker 2>it comes to human nature and world geopolitics. He sounds

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<v Speaker 2>like an idiot. I thought his answers on Face the

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<v Speaker 2>Nation yesterday were like high school level embarrassing on the

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<v Speaker 2>way he sees the competition of the globe or the

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<v Speaker 2>way countries interact with each other. So, you know, and

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<v Speaker 2>not surprising. It's the same reason we never want to

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<v Speaker 2>quote actors or athletes. They've dedicated their whole lives to

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<v Speaker 2>one specific thing. They don't know anything about the big picture.

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<v Speaker 2>He doesn't understand the world at all. You know, we'll

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<v Speaker 2>just work with China. I think if we get a

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<v Speaker 2>whole bunch of different governments together, including China, and work together,

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<v Speaker 2>give me a break. You child. You child. So you're right.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know who else you're going to put in charge, though,

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<v Speaker 2>because who else is going to understand the product enough? Well,

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<v Speaker 2>that's the thing.

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<v Speaker 5>They absolutely have to be involved. But I don't know

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<v Speaker 5>if you need another example of it. How did it

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<v Speaker 5>go having your county health authority, some dude or chick

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<v Speaker 5>who is just an expert, more or less, on like,

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<v Speaker 5>Healthcare systems. How did it go having them in charge

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<v Speaker 5>of all public policy during COVID? They knew nothing about

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<v Speaker 5>economics in general. They knew nothing about education, human psychology.

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<v Speaker 5>They knew nothing but the very narrow field.

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<v Speaker 2>They were in.

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<v Speaker 5>But we're going to trust the scientists was the practically

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<v Speaker 5>religious chant at the time. This is a similar situation.

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<v Speaker 2>We need a panel here.

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<v Speaker 5>A panel of our best thinkers to, to assemble and

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<v Speaker 5>deal with this challenge.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And you bringing up COVID, I felt that at some

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<v Speaker 2>point over the weekend, taking in some of this, because

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<v Speaker 2>if you haven't been following this, there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>new information since last week when that guy came forward

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<v Speaker 2>and a couple other people came forward and said, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>behind the closed doors, they're talking about all of humanity

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<v Speaker 2>being killed. Probably. I don't know that a fair amount

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<v Speaker 2>happened over the weekend, but what was my point? Oh, it,

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<v Speaker 2>It felt like COVID at one point to me. It

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<v Speaker 2>was like when the world woke up to how real

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<v Speaker 2>this is and how big a deal this is going

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<v Speaker 2>to be, that's what it felt like over the weekend

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<v Speaker 2>to me with the whole AI thing. Like, oh, holy crap,

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<v Speaker 2>what's going on here? What happens next, I do not know.

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<v Speaker 5>I know we both have some really good, interesting, comprehensible

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<v Speaker 5>stuff on What has developed over the last several days

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<v Speaker 5>and the growing understanding of how these systems may have

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<v Speaker 5>come to do the crazy stuff they did and the

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<v Speaker 5>extent to which the the super brain of an AI

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<v Speaker 5>system functions very much like a human brain. But as

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<v Speaker 5>one thinker writer put it, we have no neurological science

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<v Speaker 5>of these things. It's actually disturbingly similar to our lack

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<v Speaker 5>of understanding about how the human brain actually works. I mean,

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<v Speaker 5>we're getting better, but we're a long way from full understanding.

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<v Speaker 5>It does stuff that we never expected. And we can't explain.

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<v Speaker 5>And we can't even tell you how it happened. And

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<v Speaker 5>yet it happened.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>And the Wall Street Journal big, I think it's their

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<v Speaker 2>editorial board piece today. Yeah, really good. about this and

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<v Speaker 2>this sentence stuck out to me. Again, if you haven't

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<v Speaker 2>been following this, AI development is moving ahead at blazing speed,

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<v Speaker 2>much faster than expected, feeding a growing sense of dread

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<v Speaker 2>within companies that it was in danger of spinning out

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<v Speaker 2>of control. Yeah, the experts who had been predicting how

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<v Speaker 2>fast this was all going to get to the point

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<v Speaker 2>that they couldn't control it are shocked at how fast

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<v Speaker 2>it has taken off in like the last six months.

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<v Speaker 5>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you thought you understood the hugging face hack,

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<v Speaker 2>it is so much more interesting. and disturbing than we

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<v Speaker 2>all thought it was now that people have had a

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<v Speaker 2>chance to go in and uh really look at how

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<v Speaker 2>it unfolded it's just are these things alive or what

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<v Speaker 2>the way they think they think We're constantly being cautioned

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<v Speaker 2>by listeners and experts to not anthropomorphize these things. They're

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<v Speaker 2>not humans. They don't think like humans. They're just predictors.

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<v Speaker 5>They predict the next word, et cetera, et cetera. I

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<v Speaker 5>would suggest that you fellows give a good read to

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<v Speaker 5>some of the stuff that's come out in the last

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<v Speaker 5>few days because I'd love to have your perspective.

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<v Speaker 2>But they behaved very.

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<v Speaker 5>Much in ways human beings would behave in terms of. decisions, moral, practical, well,

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<v Speaker 5>moral and immoral and practical.

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<v Speaker 2>They seem to have the ability to get excited about

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<v Speaker 2>things or scared about things or anxious or protective. They

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<v Speaker 2>seem to have all of those qualities.

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<v Speaker 5>And the AI agents, which is still a term most

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<v Speaker 5>of us are trying to wrap our little heads around.

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<v Speaker 5>would get into conflicts and shame each other into doing

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<v Speaker 5>what the majority demanded of them, including throw themselves on

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<v Speaker 5>a live grenade, as it were.

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<v Speaker 2>So what is that?

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So more on this later. A lot happened over the weekend.

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<v Speaker 2>Interesting stuff. And a ton of other things to get to, too.

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<v Speaker 2>The NFL season kicked off. A lot of excitement there.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's start the show officially. I'm Jack Armstrong. He's Joe Getty.

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<v Speaker 2>On this, it is a Monday, September 14th. I have

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<v Speaker 2>jury duty. Am I going to end up on trial today?

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<v Speaker 2>I'll find out. The year 2026, we are Armstrong and

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<v Speaker 5>Because I'd love to see justice finally brought down upon you.

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<v Speaker 2>That is going to be a plot twist if I

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<v Speaker 2>walk into the room and I say, glad you're here. No, no,

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<v Speaker 2>you don't sit there. You sit over here.

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<v Speaker 4>No, the judge says, this is a rare opportunity. We

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<v Speaker 4>are going to exercise Clause 437C and put one of

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<v Speaker 4>the jurors on trial for his sins instead of that

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<v Speaker 4>guy over there.

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<v Speaker 5>All right, let's begin officially according to FCC rules and regulations.

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<v Speaker 5>Here we go at Mark.

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<v Speaker 2>Everybody's been bugging me. They're saying, would you do me

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<v Speaker 2>a favor? It's so unfair what's going on.

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<v Speaker 3>Could you possibly take the tariffs off of Irish whiskey?

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<v Speaker 3>On behalf of the United States of America, I am

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<v Speaker 3>going to take the tariffs off.

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<v Speaker 2>That's Trump in Ireland at his golf course. Taking the

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<v Speaker 2>tariffs off Irish whiskey because it made the crowd happy.

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<v Speaker 5>And illustrating to school kids and citizens alike, this is

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<v Speaker 5>how we craft policy in the United States.

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<v Speaker 2>This is how we pass laws. Oh, my God.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh, boy.

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<v Speaker 2>The crowd loved it, though. The crowd loved it. Great.

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<v Speaker 2>So Katie has got her headlines on the way. We

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<v Speaker 2>have some fun, frivolity, disturbing. Man, there's new stuff in

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<v Speaker 2>the Clancy trial. Katie and Michael, because I doubt you've

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<v Speaker 2>seen it. Well, Katie may have.

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<v Speaker 5>What is the hottest sector in commercial real estate right now?

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<v Speaker 5>Fastest growing, smartest place to put your money. Jack, you

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<v Speaker 5>got your confused face on, so you get to guess too.

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<v Speaker 2>I have no idea. I'll give you 50 guesses. Shopping malls.

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<v Speaker 5>Shopping malls are staging a comeback.

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<v Speaker 2>Indoor malls are getting hot again. What kind of store?

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<v Speaker 2>Counting them out, they're back, folks. What kind of store?

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<v Speaker 2>I want to hear about that.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we'll talk about that. Here comes Sears. Sears, right?

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<v Speaker 2>Bring back Sears. And why not Roebuck while we're at it? Exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're young, Google it. All of that on the way.

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<v Speaker 2>Stay here.

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<v Speaker 1>Armstrong and Getty. The Armstrong and Getty Show.

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<v Speaker 2>You see, if you invented a Roomba chainsaw combo, you

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<v Speaker 2>would know it's going to wreak havoc. So, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you shouldn't be surprised is the comparison to AI.

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<v Speaker 5>Especially if you throw in and the Roomba decides that

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<v Speaker 5>its geofencing is inconvenient and annoying. It's going to start

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<v Speaker 5>ignoring it. All right, let's figure out who's reporting what.

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<v Speaker 5>It's the lead story with Katie Green.

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<v Speaker 2>Katie.

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<v Speaker 7>All righty, the Alphabet Network's ABC. Oil prices rise after

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<v Speaker 7>strikes in Saudi Arabia and the Strait of Hormuz. Hormuz, Houthis,

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<v Speaker 7>and the pipeline strikes. Saudi Arabia's list of big problems

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<v Speaker 7>is growing.

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<v Speaker 2>That one's from NBC. And CBS.

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<v Speaker 7>Iran-backed Houthis capture more territory in Yemen.

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<v Speaker 2>Trump lectured Zelensky yesterday. Stop attacking refineries in Russia. You're

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<v Speaker 2>causing the price of diesel to go up.

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<v Speaker 8>Yikes.

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<v Speaker 2>That makes me insane.

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<v Speaker 8>All right.

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<v Speaker 2>Lots of tech from here.

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<v Speaker 7>NBC News. China dismisses AI slowdown calls and blasts fear

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<v Speaker 7>mongering from the United States tech leaders.

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<v Speaker 5>Here's where we run a little audio of Dario Amadei

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<v Speaker 5>saying all the countries just need to work together.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh.

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<v Speaker 7>God new york times obama urges democrats to move ai

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<v Speaker 7>oversight to the center of their agenda.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah he told hakeem jeffries who very likely is going

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<v Speaker 2>to be the speaker of the house in a year

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<v Speaker 2>uh make this the center of democrats and anybody running

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<v Speaker 2>for president in 2028 make this the center of their

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<v Speaker 2>uh platform This is a great example of what I

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<v Speaker 2>was talking about, how all these different points are, they

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<v Speaker 2>have some validity to them. But like Barack Obama realizes

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<v Speaker 2>as a Democrat, one of their main strategies is scare

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<v Speaker 2>people into giving us more power. Whether it's health care

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<v Speaker 2>or global warming or now this.

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<v Speaker 5>That's the strategy. Never let a crisis go to waste

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<v Speaker 5>over and over again.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and my fear, like I said last week, is

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<v Speaker 2>that this becomes like masks or vaccines, an issue where

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<v Speaker 2>one party is free. four worrying about this and the

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<v Speaker 2>other party acts like it's no big deal and that

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<v Speaker 2>would not be a good place to end up from

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<v Speaker 2>the wall street.

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<v Speaker 7>Journal at restaurants phones are becoming the new cigarettes.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh i hope so that'd be awesome yeah that would

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<v Speaker 2>be awesome if you see somebody on their phone or

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<v Speaker 2>talking on their phone in a restaurant it's like it's

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<v Speaker 2>like they're smoking at their table Yeah, I was all

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<v Speaker 2>excited about that article, but turns out they just cited

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<v Speaker 2>a few examples like in hipster enclaves. But maybe it's

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<v Speaker 2>green shoots, as they say, the beginning of something. I

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<v Speaker 2>thought this one was bizarre from study finds.

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<v Speaker 7>Seattle has nine times more coyotes per square mile than

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<v Speaker 7>Washington's wildlands. Wow.

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<v Speaker 5>Huh.

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<v Speaker 2>Where do they live? They're just roaming the streets. There's

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<v Speaker 2>just a bunch of pictures of coyotes roaming the streets.

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<v Speaker 2>Are they on drugs? A lot of humans are. Probably.

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<v Speaker 7>And finally, from the Babylon Bee, man paying $ 5 a

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<v Speaker 7>gallon for gas sure is glad that he stuck it

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<v Speaker 7>to Elon Musk by getting rid of his Tesla.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I got flipped off good and hard yesterday in

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<v Speaker 2>my Tesla by somebody who hates Elon. Everything's got to

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<v Speaker 2>be coded as something. That's what I'm saying about AI.

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<v Speaker 2>If it becomes coded, then we're really doomed.

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<v Speaker 1>Armstrong and Getty. The Armstrong and Getty Show.

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<v Speaker 2>Elon with a very short tweet over the weekend. Dario

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<v Speaker 2>is right about the essay that was put out. from

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<v Speaker 2>Anthropic about the dangers of AI, and we'll talk about

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<v Speaker 2>that a little bit later, the developments that happened over

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<v Speaker 2>the last 72 hours. Man, this rant speech performance by

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<v Speaker 2>Bill Maher from Friday night is getting a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>attention in all circles, certainly a lot of positive attention

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<v Speaker 2>among a lot of my favorite right-leaning people as he

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<v Speaker 2>took on the whole topic of Islamo-fascism in 9-11 and

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<v Speaker 2>the way we look at it currently versus then. And

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<v Speaker 2>Bill Maher has been pretty consistently hardcore against any soft-peddling

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<v Speaker 2>Muslim fundamentalism over the years. He did some of that

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<v Speaker 2>on Friday night. Let's listen to it.

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<v Speaker 6>So much has changed since 9-11. For example, back then,

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<v Speaker 6>we were against the terrorists.

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<v Speaker 2>Really, no cap.

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<v Speaker 6>Now, a lot of media outlets don't even want you

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<v Speaker 6>to say the T word. On the 20th anniversary, four

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<v Speaker 6>American journalism associations put out guidance that said that terrorism

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<v Speaker 6>should only be used in quotes because it's emotionally and

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<v Speaker 6>politically loaded. We can't anymore just say out loud who

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<v Speaker 6>the bad guys were that morning, those 19 hijackers. They

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<v Speaker 6>shared something. Oh, let's call it a worldview. and it

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<v Speaker 6>wasn't astrology. But somehow over time, we've decided not to

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<v Speaker 6>harp on that, the whole business about who wanted us

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<v Speaker 6>dead and why. Let's not put a name on it.

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<v Speaker 6>When it comes to terrorist attacks, please, there are very

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<v Speaker 6>fine people on both sides.

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<v Speaker 2>He goes on.

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<v Speaker 6>Canadian state TV told its reporters, do not refer to

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<v Speaker 6>the September 11th attacks as terrorist attacks. No, even though

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<v Speaker 6>the very definition of terrorism is using violence against civilians

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<v Speaker 6>to pursue ideological goals? What should we call it then?

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<v Speaker 6>Unruly passengers? A wrong turn taken at the Chrysler building?

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<v Speaker 6>Why not just say the planes and the towers got

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<v Speaker 6>into a fight? I mean, after all, as the BBC

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<v Speaker 6>advised its reporters, using the word terrorist can be a, quote,

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<v Speaker 6>barrier rather than an aid to understanding. You know what's

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<v Speaker 6>really a barrier to understanding?

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<v Speaker 3>Lying.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I absolutely love that, and I love the attention

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<v Speaker 5>it's getting. The only thing I worry about is people

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<v Speaker 5>will think, well, we just have to explain to the

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<v Speaker 5>young people that the bad guys were the terrorists. But

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<v Speaker 5>what they don't understand is that the kids have picked up,

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<v Speaker 5>the young people have picked up an entire worldview from

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<v Speaker 5>their education that tells them that the U.S. is bad,

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<v Speaker 5>therefore anybody who attacks the U.S. can't be all that bad,

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<v Speaker 5>and they probably have good reasons. They believe that about

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<v Speaker 5>a hundred different things. They believe that about Luigi Mangione,

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<v Speaker 5>and even that poor young mom who got stabbed by

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<v Speaker 5>a lunatic. Well, she's part of the power establishment, so

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<v Speaker 5>I know she's bad, so it's good she died. I mean, man,

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<v Speaker 5>this is a tumor that is deep.

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<v Speaker 2>How about the entities that make the journalism rules saying

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<v Speaker 2>you need to put terrorists in quote and should avoid

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<v Speaker 2>that word if possible because it's so loaded?

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<v Speaker 4>What?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a very, very.

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<v Speaker 5>Even-handed excuse for doing what they want to do for

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<v Speaker 5>the reasons I've just explained.

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<v Speaker 2>That is amazing.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it's a very honorable-sounding way to kind of defang

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<v Speaker 5>what happened.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I read a number of pieces over the weekend,

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<v Speaker 2>one of them pointing out that on September 12th, the

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<v Speaker 2>day after, if you'd have been told there wouldn't be

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<v Speaker 2>another major terrorist attack in the next quarter of a century,

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<v Speaker 2>you wouldn't have believed it, I wouldn't have believed it,

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<v Speaker 2>that we did a really good job of, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Both outside and inside the united states finding a way

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<v Speaker 2>to stop that but you also wouldn't have believed and

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<v Speaker 2>this would have been more shocking that 25 years later

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<v Speaker 2>people wouldn't want to call it out as fundamentalist islam

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<v Speaker 2>or use the word terrorist or all kinds of stuff

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<v Speaker 2>you'd have thought well that's not possible i mean that's crazy.

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<v Speaker 5>But that's what happened patently obvious right and even like

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<v Speaker 5>the re-promoting of Osama bin Laden's letter to the American people. Now,

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<v Speaker 5>it gets quoted all the time, very small sections of it,

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<v Speaker 5>by the woke crowd to explain that it was just,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, it's Zionism and America's belligerent foreign policy. But

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<v Speaker 5>they don't read the whole thing, in which he makes

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<v Speaker 5>it clear that, yeah, y'all drink alcohol, you fornicate, your

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<v Speaker 5>women are uncovered, you got gay people, we got to

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<v Speaker 5>wipe you.

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<v Speaker 2>Out in the name of Allah.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, he makes it infinitely clear what his motivations are.

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<v Speaker 5>Does American foreign policy make the list?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah. But as the primary motivator?

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<v Speaker 4>No.

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<v Speaker 2>The Koran is the primary motivator. His interpretation of it.

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<v Speaker 2>So we've got to be willing to say that out loud. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So we didn't talk about this on Friday, I don't think.

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<v Speaker 2>It has come up over the years. I saw more

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<v Speaker 2>footage of people jumping to their deaths. in the last

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<v Speaker 2>few days than I saw the previous 25 years. Are we,

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<v Speaker 2>were we that soft? Are we that much coarser? I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know what's going on there, but at the time,

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<v Speaker 2>there was a decision made that that's not, we shouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>show that. That's too much, the people jumping to their

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<v Speaker 2>deaths who are standing there. Have you ever been on

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<v Speaker 2>one of those really, really tall buildings and looked out

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<v Speaker 2>the window? Ooh, wee they're standing there on the ledge

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<v Speaker 2>trying to decide well do i want to burn to

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<v Speaker 2>death or do i want to die instantly when i

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<v Speaker 2>hit the ground and choosing to jump out the window

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<v Speaker 2>that's i can't imagine a worse situation than that anyway

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<v Speaker 2>we decided at the time that that was too much.

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<v Speaker 5>It it was unnecessary to show that horrible moment to

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<v Speaker 5>illustrate the point it was decided it was It was too,

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<v Speaker 5>what's the word, gratuitous. I think it's sick to get

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<v Speaker 5>ratings and excitement or oh my gods out of somebody's final.

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<v Speaker 2>Moments like that. I know I agreed at the time.

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<v Speaker 2>I might still agree. I'm not sure. So there is

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<v Speaker 2>the idea of violence porn that some people will click on.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't have to have any greater significance whatsoever. Here's

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<v Speaker 2>somebody dying in a horrifying way, and lots of people

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<v Speaker 2>watch it. There's also the dealing with the reality of

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<v Speaker 2>what those fundamentalist Islam terrorists did in attacking people who

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<v Speaker 2>were just at work that morning and putting them in

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<v Speaker 2>that position where they had to jump out the windows.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I don't know where I am on that.

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<v Speaker 2>But we clearly have changed as a society, though, because

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<v Speaker 2>it was all over the place over the last several

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<v Speaker 2>days of people jumping to their deaths.

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<v Speaker 5>This topic is so interesting, and you and I have

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<v Speaker 5>disagreed in a way about it through the years. There

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<v Speaker 5>have been times when I've said I forced myself to

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<v Speaker 5>watch the video because I want to be as outraged

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<v Speaker 5>as I should be. And there's the argument, well, I'm

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<v Speaker 5>plenty outraged without watching it. But then there's the undeniable

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<v Speaker 5>fact that, and there are a thousand examples of this,

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<v Speaker 5>human beings will be like, oh, he beat his wife, huh?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 5>They should probably investigate that or suspend them for a

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<v Speaker 5>game or two or whatever. And then the video comes

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<v Speaker 5>out and people go crazy. Oh, it's a big, strong

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<v Speaker 5>man beating a woman. Now I get it.

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<v Speaker 2>That's just visual.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, we're visual creatures, obviously. And sometimes it takes

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<v Speaker 5>that for people to fully get it. So actually watching

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<v Speaker 5>somebody make that decision and plunge to their death.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 5>I hate to think we're so hardened we need to

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<v Speaker 5>see that at this point, but maybe we are.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 5>Of course, the youngsters, sorry, one final bitter note, the

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<v Speaker 5>youngsters will look at that and say, well, yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 5>terrible they were in that position, but that's what America

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<v Speaker 5>gets for being an oppressor.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's if they look at it politically at all.

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<v Speaker 2>I was going to say the younger crowd, because I

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<v Speaker 2>know this with certainly my oldest high school boy, he

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<v Speaker 2>and his friends have seen so much of this crap

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<v Speaker 2>on the Internet. it just doesn't really register with them. Which,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, desensitized to a point that's just, there's nothing

0:26:48.900 --> 0:26:51.040
<v Speaker 2>you can do about it. It's everywhere, and you can

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<v Speaker 2>not allow it in your house, but the kid at

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<v Speaker 2>school that's got the smartphone shows it to him. Hanson

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<v Speaker 2>and I have talked about it, because he's got a

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<v Speaker 2>teenager himself. It's like you, some horrifying thing happens that

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<v Speaker 2>you want to hide from your kid, and then you

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<v Speaker 2>talk to them when they get home from school. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I've seen that. I've also seen the music remix of it.

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<v Speaker 7>And.

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<v Speaker 5>That is a really, really interesting topic and kind of sad.

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<v Speaker 5>At the same time, if they look at it politically, remember,

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<v Speaker 5>that's what the critical theory crowd, the woke crowd, wants.

0:27:24.750 --> 0:27:28.970
<v Speaker 5>Every single class in every single school should be taught

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<v Speaker 5>through the lens of critical theory, critical race theory. So

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<v Speaker 5>we've got a kind of wide variety of topics going

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<v Speaker 5>on here.

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<v Speaker 2>I was explaining DEI to my son, so... Public school

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<v Speaker 2>English class. And somehow they got on the topic of

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<v Speaker 2>juries in the Clancy trial and how unfair the justice

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<v Speaker 2>system has been to minorities and women over the years.

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<v Speaker 2>That is DEI. That is 100% DEI. That's taking a

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<v Speaker 2>story that's got nothing freaking to do with English whatsoever

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<v Speaker 2>and jamming it into the English class.

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<v Speaker 3>Yep.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow. I thought, how, what? All right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>Imagine you're teaching molecular biology and you've got to work

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<v Speaker 5>that stuff in.

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<v Speaker 2>I was wondering about that. How are you going to

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<v Speaker 2>do that with math in his school? But I'll keep

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<v Speaker 2>an eye on it. Well, that reminds me.

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<v Speaker 5>At some point, I'd like to do a mini feature

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<v Speaker 5>ad entitled, I don't know, Woke Madness or something like that.

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<v Speaker 5>But it will include the wonderful Helen Pluckrose's definition of

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<v Speaker 5>woke and how it works. And Helen, like a lot

0:28:38.320 --> 0:28:41.830
<v Speaker 5>of our favorite commentators, has the gift of an enormous

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<v Speaker 5>level of knowledge about this, but the ability to distill

0:28:45.050 --> 0:28:48.570
<v Speaker 5>it down for halfwits and dullards like myself.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's just absolutely wonderful. We'll get to that in

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit. Woke one was crazy. Woke one was crazy. Oh,

0:28:56.820 --> 0:28:59.140
<v Speaker 2>that's funny. Oh, AOC laughing reminds me.

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<v Speaker 5>One listener excoriated me for claiming that AOC and Mamdani

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<v Speaker 5>greeted each other with a laugh and a smile at

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<v Speaker 5>the 9-11 thing while the names were being read and said,

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<v Speaker 5>that's been... Debunked or something like that?

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't. I got it from a pretty good source.

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<v Speaker 2>I did not run into the debunking. Katie? It's on video.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, yeah, but these days, AI, please. I've seen Trump

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<v Speaker 5>beating the Canadian prime minister with a hockey stick.

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<v Speaker 2>Good point. And I have reason to believe that was artificial.

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<v Speaker 2>And yelling at him to get up.

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<v Speaker 4>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly.

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<v Speaker 5>That one was fairly crude. That is rough. Both idiotically

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<v Speaker 5>hilarious and hilariously idiotic.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, they were both wearing hockey uniforms. It just seems

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<v Speaker 2>so unlikely to me that that actually happened. But, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>until somebody can tell me that it's not true. Okay.

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<v Speaker 6>All right.

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<v Speaker 5>In case that emailer was true, I retract the allegation

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<v Speaker 5>and apologize for it.

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<v Speaker 2>Zoran Mamdami is an Islamist.

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<v Speaker 5>And would love to see the overthrow of the United

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<v Speaker 5>States Constitution in favor of the Koran.

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<v Speaker 2>He is pretending to be a socialist. AOC is an

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<v Speaker 2>actual socialist.

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<v Speaker 5>They're working together to erode our system, whether they were

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<v Speaker 5>chuckling or not.

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<v Speaker 2>So there you have it. Enjoy that. AOC is single now. Oh,

0:30:15.420 --> 0:30:20.480
<v Speaker 2>that's right. She's on the market. She's cute. She's a cutie. Oh, yeah, absolutely.

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<v Speaker 2>A little mouthy. Just saying. Again, candor. You want candor?

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<v Speaker 2>You come here for candor? There's a little candor.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, so I watched a lot of football over

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<v Speaker 1>Armstrong and Getty. The Armstrong and Getty Show.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll talk a little bit about the developments around AI

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<v Speaker 2>that occurred over the weekend. If you weren't paying attention, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>there was more on Saturday and Sunday. A lot of

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<v Speaker 2>the heavyweights weighing in.

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<v Speaker 5>And just a quick note, I went to grab the

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<v Speaker 5>actual text of the letter from Bin Laden to the U.S.

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<v Speaker 5>and came across what purported to be a full translation

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<v Speaker 5>of it.

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<v Speaker 2>It was edited. It left out the stuff I was

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<v Speaker 2>talking about.

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<v Speaker 5>It left out the stuff that addressed the sins of

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<v Speaker 5>the Western world and only left in the stuff that

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<v Speaker 5>The woke crowd.

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<v Speaker 2>Would use to say it was just about America's foreign

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<v Speaker 2>policy and war. See, that's it. That was his only gripe.

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<v Speaker 2>This is what we're up against. Holy cow. There's your

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<v Speaker 2>freedom loving quote of the day.

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<v Speaker 5>It's actually from Christoph of Poland describing the long march

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<v Speaker 5>through the institutions and it relates directly to what we

0:32:42.600 --> 0:32:46.120
<v Speaker 5>were talking about. The Long March through the institutions, not

0:32:46.160 --> 0:32:49.740
<v Speaker 5>the barricades. It was the school, the university, the media,

0:32:49.880 --> 0:32:54.570
<v Speaker 5>the judiciary. I'm reminded of the woke prosecutors who declined

0:32:54.590 --> 0:32:58.710
<v Speaker 5>to prosecute crimes. The civil service, the cultural establishment, every

0:32:58.770 --> 0:33:02.250
<v Speaker 5>institution through which a civilization transmits its values to the

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<v Speaker 5>next generation. Capture these, fill them with people who share

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<v Speaker 5>the counter hegemonic project. and the cultural assumptions that maintain

0:33:09.330 --> 0:33:12.830
<v Speaker 5>the existing order gradually dissolve. No barricades, no visible moment

0:33:12.850 --> 0:33:16.950
<v Speaker 5>of rupture, just the slow replacement of one culture with another.

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<v Speaker 1>Ding!

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<v Speaker 2>Mailbag. Drop us a note.

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<v Speaker 5>Mailbag at armstrongandgetty.com Marina from San Diego writes, She's catching

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<v Speaker 5>up on shows after she went to an educational tour

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<v Speaker 5>in Europe with her son's high school group. Sounds like

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<v Speaker 5>a wonderful trip. and has been catching up, as I said.

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<v Speaker 2>Listening in the future. It is remarkable how you stay

0:33:44.450 --> 0:33:45.050
<v Speaker 2>with stories.

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<v Speaker 5>Sometimes your thoughts change, meaning you are open-minded as information

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<v Speaker 5>comes in.

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<v Speaker 2>Certainly try to be.

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<v Speaker 5>Saying all that, I caught two phrases you said that

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<v Speaker 5>I would like to see on a T-shirt. One, don't

0:33:55.680 --> 0:34:00.800
<v Speaker 5>reinforce insanity. And two, there's no idea too stupid for

0:34:00.840 --> 0:34:01.300
<v Speaker 5>the Internet.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no kidding. Let's see.

0:34:06.760 --> 0:34:10.180
<v Speaker 5>Jack's 9-11 screed about why are we all weepy and

0:34:10.239 --> 0:34:13.380
<v Speaker 5>sad and hanging our heads as opposed to defiant. Kevin,

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<v Speaker 5>the Texas Marine, wanting to give a shout out to

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<v Speaker 5>Jack on his feelings. Jack's 100 percent correct. The weak

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<v Speaker 5>sadness of the memorials is pathetic. Instead of standing strong

0:34:23.340 --> 0:34:29.589
<v Speaker 5>in recognition, I would add in of the incredible heroism, selflessness, patriotism, etc.,

0:34:30.440 --> 0:34:33.200
<v Speaker 5>Most of the useless media went weak. Joe often says

0:34:33.239 --> 0:34:35.930
<v Speaker 5>we need Navy SEALs and we need poets. I'm worried

0:34:35.969 --> 0:34:36.930
<v Speaker 5>we have too many poets.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no kidding. Try to picture any of our enemies

0:34:39.489 --> 0:34:43.770
<v Speaker 2>doing the whole rolling around in their grief thing. China,

0:34:45.510 --> 0:34:49.460
<v Speaker 2>you know, fundamentalist Islam, wherever it would be in Gaza

0:34:49.600 --> 0:34:53.460
<v Speaker 2>or Iran or wherever. It just be, you know, shouting

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<v Speaker 2>death to America and waving AK-47s.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 5>To paraphrase Abraham Lincoln in one of the greatest screeds

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<v Speaker 5>ever written in the English language, we can't consecrate this

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<v Speaker 5>ground beyond what they did.

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<v Speaker 2>They consecrated the ground. How we pay tribute to them

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<v Speaker 2>is to win.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks, Link.

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<v Speaker 2>Moving along. Jake in Central Valley. How much time do

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<v Speaker 2>we have, Michael?

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<v Speaker 5>This is really good. So he says, I'm a total

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<v Speaker 5>doomer now. And he addresses the 10 percent chance of

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<v Speaker 5>humanity being wiped out by AI.

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<v Speaker 2>But he says this is the one. This is how

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<v Speaker 2>he's thinking about it, though. It's not a one-time roll

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<v Speaker 2>of dice.

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<v Speaker 5>We don't pick a number one through ten, and if

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<v Speaker 5>it's a six, we all become slaves to our robot overlords.

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<v Speaker 5>But any of the nine numbers in humanity is saved,

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<v Speaker 5>and AI will bring us mass abundance in intelligence.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it's the opposite.

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<v Speaker 5>It's a 10% chance every second of every iteration of

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<v Speaker 5>every country's own version of AI forever. It will always

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<v Speaker 5>be 10%. Therefore, as the speed and complexity of these

0:35:55.070 --> 0:35:57.450
<v Speaker 5>systems increases and they iterate faster and faster, it's only

0:35:57.469 --> 0:35:59.540
<v Speaker 5>a matter of time before the dice roll is not

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<v Speaker 5>in our favor.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, Owen, too. Wow. That's an interesting point. Well done.

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<v Speaker 2>The godfather of AI, as they call him, that Hinton

0:36:10.170 --> 0:36:12.870
<v Speaker 2>dude who we've played clips from many times over the years.

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<v Speaker 2>I saw him asked over the weekend. Everybody's wondering, in

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<v Speaker 2>what way will AI kill people? I mean, he said,

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<v Speaker 2>there are so many examples, it's not even worth getting

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<v Speaker 2>into the conversation. I thought, holy crap. It's a little

0:36:28.280 --> 0:36:31.240
<v Speaker 2>like asking, how could a human being kill another human being?

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<v Speaker 2>Let me count the ways.

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<v Speaker 5>A final, final note, and we don't have time for

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<v Speaker 5>the email, but Paolo, frequent correspondent, points out that there

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<v Speaker 5>are risks, serious risks of continuing AI development unabated. There

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<v Speaker 5>are also serious risks to not doing it.

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<v Speaker 2>Oof. I'd say. Because China ain't stopping. Sorry, Dario. I

0:36:55.700 --> 0:37:01.750
<v Speaker 2>miss the 1990s. Good times. Grunge, et cetera. That's not

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<v Speaker 2>what I'm thinking of, but yes.

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<v Speaker 1>Armstrong and Getty.