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Speaker 1: Well, we had a great Senior Bowl week. We mean

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Speaker 2: We got a lot I want to get to today

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Speaker 1: Well, I think the conversation around the defense in general

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Speaker 1: For well, and I think it goes back to ever,

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Speaker 3: Something else that I would love to ask Robert Solo

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Speaker 3: The defense his archetype at linebacker, rangy guy that can

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Speaker 4: No offense to Garrett Wallow.

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Speaker 2: I don't mean just legend Garrett.

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Speaker 3: He's just catching strays tonight. But like that's not Fred Warner,

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Speaker 1: That's game planning game I mean, that's weekly game planning.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but when you talk talk about Robert Sala's defensive philosophy, yes,

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Speaker 1: because those are the only two edge rushers you technically

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I mean we get into what's alignment versus

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Speaker 1: Again, he's not static. Even last year, he's not static.

437
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Speaker 1: I think everybody sees three hundred and sixty six pounds

438
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Speaker 1: to Andre Sweat run stuffer and puts his hand on

439
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Speaker 1: the line. They just kind of ignore where he's actually

440
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Speaker 1: aligned in the defense.

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Speaker 3: And it's it's not like there are instances in both

442
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Speaker 3: to and Andre Sweat's tape and Robert Sala's defensive tape

443
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Speaker 3: from last year where they're doing both techniques multiple alignments.

444
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Speaker 3: So why are we being so rigid about this and

445
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Speaker 3: saying Tovandre Sweat can't play in Robert solid defense.

446
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Speaker 2: Because he's fat. There's examples of both on tape, Like.

447
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Speaker 1: Even though haines Worth three hundred and sixty pounds also

448
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 1: played in a four three.

449
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I get it, Like, man, maybe if he's

450
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Speaker 3: a little lighter, he's a little more disruptive, and we'll talk.

451
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Speaker 1: A little bit about what I mean, just real quick,

452
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Speaker 1: Big Jeff on three HL Wednesday night. But you can

453
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Speaker 1: go up on their podcast on their Twitter feed and

454
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Speaker 1: just pull up the YouTube over at Zone TV. But

455
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Speaker 1: he says that like Tovandre Sweat is like all in

456
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Speaker 1: on the off season program of him Big Jeff, not

457
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Speaker 1: just him, by the way, Jimrie Dk and other players

458
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Speaker 1: are pestering Jeff for his secret to his success. Yeah,

459
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Speaker 1: so it's not just Tovandre Sweat. Devandre Sweat, though, is

460
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Speaker 1: the most annoying. Like he's out to dinner with his

461
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Speaker 1: girlfriend and he's getting all these phone calls and apparently

462
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Speaker 1: Big Jeff has a second phone and which is like

463
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Speaker 1: in a case, emergency phone, okay, and like Sweat's calling

464
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Speaker 1: that like he's He's like, is there an emergency? He's like,

465
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Speaker 1: I just need to nowhere to book for the airbnb,

466
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Speaker 1: Like I'm I'm ready to rock and roll? Yeah, hooked up?

467
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Speaker 1: What this nutrition is Tavandre Sweat as long as mentally

468
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Speaker 1: in maturity wise, he's gonna make a lot of people

469
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Speaker 1: look stupid, just like he did. Yeah after he got

470
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Speaker 1: drafted and everybody was like, oh wait, you can't get

471
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Speaker 1: this guy, and then everybody has to backtrack that argument.

472
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Speaker 4: Yeah.

473
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Speaker 3: I think frankly too, it's it's insulting to Robert Sala

474
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Speaker 3: to just say, well, you know, like he can't find

475
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Speaker 3: a space in his defense for Tovandre Sweat, so cut

476
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Speaker 3: him because he's a or trade him because he's not

477
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Speaker 3: a scheme fit. Like no, maybe he's not the quick

478
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Speaker 3: pass rushing, shed blocks type of defensive tackle that we've seen.

479
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Speaker 1: He's not a knifer, like he's not getting knife through

480
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Speaker 1: the offensive line, but that is he doesn't have.

481
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Speaker 3: To like the most like core concepts of coaching, right,

482
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 3: like you find good players and you play good players

483
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Speaker 3: like Tovandre Sweat has been a good player. Like is

484
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Speaker 3: the Titans roster on the tape?

485
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Speaker 1: He was a pretty exceptional player on this defense last year. A.

486
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Speaker 3: Is the Titans roster in such good shape that we're

487
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Speaker 3: willing to just trade away playmakers right now?

488
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Speaker 4: Right?

489
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Speaker 3: B Like Robert Sala has proven to be a resourceful

490
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Speaker 3: guy with his talent. Why would you not have faith

491
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Speaker 3: that he can do something to put to Andandre Sweat

492
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Speaker 3: in a position to succeed.

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Speaker 1: Again, great, wouldn't have had as many tackles if it

494
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Speaker 1: was at first to Andre Sweat out here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, so like that's and and but that's him

496
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Speaker 3: playing that technique that Sala's defensive tackles have been known

497
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Speaker 3: for well.

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Speaker 1: And also Sala's use of the wide nine technique. It

499
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Speaker 1: positions defensive ends wider to hance the obviously the past

500
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Speaker 1: Russian angles. Well that also so that particular approach from

501
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Speaker 1: the wide nine is gains a benefit. It's like a

502
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Speaker 1: plus to have someone that is a stout interior lineman

503
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Speaker 1: who can anchor in the middle prevent quarterbacks from stepping

504
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Speaker 1: up into the pocket. So like, that's the other thing

505
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Speaker 1: is that people are missing. Yes, he doesn't get a

506
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Speaker 1: lot of pressures or maybe he doesn't do this or

507
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Speaker 1: do that. It's not flashy, but he is a pocket pusher.

508
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:31,439
Speaker 1: He always has been, and that's just as valuable to

509
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Speaker 1: defenses and NFL teams to prevent quarterbacks from stepping up

510
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Speaker 1: into the pocket. That allows your wide nine to be

511
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Speaker 1: able to take a better angle to try to get

512
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Speaker 1: there to the quarterback. So again this idea that listen,

513
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Speaker 1: here's the thing I understand, outside of maybe Vince Wolfork

514
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Speaker 1: and Albert Hainsworth, there hasn't been a lot of three

515
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Speaker 1: hundred and sixty six pound guys that I've had a

516
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Speaker 1: lot of his, he says, I don't I can't remember

517
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Speaker 1: what Sarah goos Or and Hellodi Nagata were, but like,

518
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 1: there's not been a lot of those guys. But also

519
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Speaker 1: we knew coming into the draft. The year that he

520
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Speaker 1: got drafted, he was still a special player despite his size. Now,

521
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Speaker 1: you would still like him to get in shape. I

522
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Speaker 1: would love for him to lose ten pounds, fifteen pounds. Hell,

523
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Speaker 1: if he loses twenty pounds, I'd be extacted. That would

524
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Speaker 1: be great. But at the same time, he proved over

525
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Speaker 1: this last year he is still a valuable asset to

526
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Speaker 1: any NFL defense. And this idea that you have to

527
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Speaker 1: trade him because he's sturing her sixty six pounds means

528
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Speaker 1: that you really kind of don't know how the rush

529
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Speaker 1: angles work for the wide nine and how Devandre Sweat

530
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Speaker 1: works in that conjunction. Like even big Jeff says, we

531
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Speaker 1: are better together.

532
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Speaker 3: I need Yeah, but you see the impact of that.

533
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Speaker 3: Go watch the San Francisco game from last year. There's

534
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Speaker 3: a couple of plays.

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Speaker 1: That I would also could think if someone says it's

536
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Speaker 1: a chat real quick, I do think it's harder to

537
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Speaker 1: replace them than people will give him credit for.

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Speaker 2: I agree wholeheartedly.

539
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Speaker 3: I mean, where do you find guys that big that

540
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 3: can move the way he moved?

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Speaker 1: You would find because here's the thing, He's not just

542
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Speaker 1: a run stuffer.

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Speaker 2: He's not known you.

544
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Speaker 1: You are listening to people who are using their preconceived

545
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Speaker 1: biases heading into the draft.

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Speaker 2: He's not just a run stuffer.

547
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Speaker 1: He's never been a run stuffer, and the tape shows

548
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Speaker 1: he's not just a run stuffer. If you think he's

549
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Speaker 1: just a run stuffing nose tackle, I have news for you.

550
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Speaker 1: You're not watching the tape.

551
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Speaker 3: The way Denard Wilson used him last year leaned into

552
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Speaker 3: his talent as a potential pass rusher.

553
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Speaker 2: It was pass rushing.

554
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Speaker 1: All of his pass rushing metrics went up after the

555
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Speaker 1: first year.

556
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Speaker 3: It was a lot of this jet technique where he's

557
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 3: aligned to the shoulder. He's attacking the shoulder to try

558
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 3: and get the offensive lineman to rotate because it opens

559
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 3: up a lane to the quarterback. And that's not for

560
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 3: people that are on here thinking, well, Stony's just talking

561
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 3: out his ass like you and I got a reliable tip,

562
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 3: like we can trust, we can confirm, like that was

563
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 3: their plan with Tovandre Sweat, right.

564
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Speaker 1: So it's just you're asked to do something different in

565
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Speaker 1: a three to four at his position than you are

566
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Speaker 1: in a four to three at his position.

567
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Speaker 4: To think of him as just a run stuffer is.

568
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Speaker 2: It's grossly under estimating what you see on the tape.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you can go back and watch the

570
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:46,959
Speaker 3: San Francisco tape and there are plays when there are

571
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Speaker 3: plays when San Francisco ends up with three dudes on

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Speaker 3: to and Andre Sweat triple teaming him, and it like

573
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 3: isolates a matchup for Jeffrey Simmons, or it isolates a

574
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Speaker 3: matchup for arden.

575
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Speaker 2: Key or Jihad Ward.

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Speaker 3: And it's it's frustrating to relive this season because you see,

577
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 3: like man Dinard Wilson really cooked with like minimal ingredients, right,

578
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 3: Like he was able to generate pressure without the most talent.

579
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 3: And so you're watching these guys up front really cook

580
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 3: and you're thinking, like this is about to be a sack,

581
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 3: and then brock Perdy gets the ball out and it

582
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 3: goes to a receiver where there's not a Titan within

583
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Speaker 3: eight yards of him, and it's like backbreaking to relive

584
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 3: that stuff. But it really shows the impact that to

585
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 3: and Andre Sweat had on that game when he was healthy. So, like,

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Speaker 3: I just I don't know what's more. He's more than

587
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 3: meets the eye. He's more than the preconceived notions about him.

588
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 3: He's a good football player. I was, I was talking

589
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 3: to I sat in the parking lot for thirty minutes

590
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 3: before I came in here, talking to Ramone Foster on

591
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 3: the phone because I kind of wanted his perspective of

592
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 3: sweat from the offensive line standpoint, And you know, I'm

593
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 3: kind of telling him we're talking about the motor stuff,

594
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Speaker 3: and I'm like, you know, there are times that like

595
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 3: he's double teamed and you see him kind of stop

596
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 3: his feet and then he looks to like get his hands.

597
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 4: Up to tip passes.

598
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Speaker 3: And I'm asking Ramone, like, you know, I'm saying, I

599
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Speaker 3: don't really know, Like I said, a coaching thing. Is

600
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 3: that a motor thing? Is that an example of where

601
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 3: he could probably play a little bit harder? And Ramone said, honestly,

602
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 3: like I like a smart rusher, Like that's a smart

603
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 3: move to stop, because me and my old line buddies,

604
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 3: if we've got three on you and you keep trying

605
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,239
Speaker 3: to run through us, we're just laughing at you, like

606
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 3: what are you doing? So it is the smart thing

607
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 3: to stop, get your hands up, try to tip a pass.

608
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 3: And so it's but I feel like some people could

609
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 3: be watching those kinds of plays because I was guilty

610
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 3: of it too and wondering like, oh, how hard is

611
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 3: he really playing?

612
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Speaker 4: What's he really doing here?

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Speaker 3: So it goes back to what you said earlier with

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Speaker 3: this conversation, like you just like you got to take

615
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Speaker 3: the time to learn about.

616
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Speaker 4: What you're watching.

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Speaker 1: Well, we heard from coach Mack, who I know that

618
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Speaker 1: some people think they know more than a defensive coordinator,

619
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Speaker 1: but ludicrous. Yeah, it's the most ludicrous statement I've seen

620
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 1: on Twitter in a while. Nine technique, So he said,

621
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Speaker 1: the nine technique, the three, the wide nine. Yeah, the

622
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 1: three technique, three T, the shade, the five tech. I

623
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Speaker 1: just want to go through real quick, maybe educate the

624
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Speaker 1: people about those.

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Speaker 3: Positions, just real quick, because I've we've just been spitting

626
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Speaker 3: numbers and.

627
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 1: The deeps, the wide nine or the nine tech, the

628
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 1: defensive end of lines outside the tight end, providing leverage

629
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Speaker 1: to contain outside runs and rush to passer. Yeah, so

630
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Speaker 1: which everybody's kind of seen around here. They're kind of

631
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Speaker 1: familiar with the wide nine, Jim Sports, Jim Schwartz and

632
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Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. This position is crucial in

633
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 1: schemes like a four to three where the week side

634
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Speaker 1: defensive end of especially a four to three under a

635
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Speaker 1: week side defensive end end lines up in a wide

636
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 1: nine stance exploit one on one matchups against offensive tackles,

637
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 1: so trying to get the offensive tackle kind of again

638
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 1: taking that pass rush angle to try to go not

639
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 1: just wide and in your stance, but also or in

640
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 1: your position in the defensive alignment, but trying to go

641
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 1: around as quick as possible or tackle.

642
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 2: Or if the tackle comes out to meet you, you

643
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 2: cross on.

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00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 1: The inside, which we've seen many Tennessee Titans defender offensive

645
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:30,879
Speaker 1: lineman have a hard time with that. The three tech

646
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 1: is the defensive tackle position to position himself on the

647
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 1: outside outside shoulder of the offensive guard, so the shoulder

648
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 1: away from the center yep for those that may just

649
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 1: not understand that, aiming to penetrate the b gap between

650
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 1: the two guard, the guard and the tackle. This alignment's

651
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 1: key for disrupting both run and pass plays by applying

652
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 1: anterior pressure. Okay, then there's the shade. This term refers

653
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Speaker 1: to the defensive lineman angling slightly to one side out

654
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:07,360
Speaker 1: of an offensive lineman rather than directly head up. For example,

655
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 1: a nose tackle in the shade alignment might position himself

656
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 1: on the shoulder of the center, allowing for quicker penetration

657
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 1: into a specific gap. Yep, that's a kind of like

658
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 1: that diagonal alignment that we've kind of saw from Tovandre

659
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 1: Sweat like you talked about earlier, and then the five

660
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 1: tech the defensive end of lines on the outside shoulder

661
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 1: of the offensive tackle. This position is versatile, allowing the

662
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 1: end to engage in the tackle directly set the edge

663
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:36,279
Speaker 1: against a run and rush to passers. So, like you

664
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 1: need to understand that Robert Salah's particular use of the

665
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 1: four to three is really those roles matter. But this

666
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 1: is also why it kind of requires eight defensive linemen. Yeah,

667
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:56,919
Speaker 1: because there are gonna be times where, like on third down,

668
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:59,360
Speaker 1: you want to have a four to three alignment but

669
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 1: with three personnel meaning fast explosive guys. So that may

670
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 1: me Tavandre Sweat comes out third down. Yeah, you know,

671
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 1: that may be a situation where we see less of

672
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 1: Tvandre Sweat and third down, even though we've seen him

673
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:15,840
Speaker 1: be able to play sixty percent of the snaps or whatever. Yeah,

674
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 1: but that's maybe certain cases where you take and bring

675
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 1: in those kinds of guys. But that's why I can't

676
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 1: remember the player we heard say that, but that's why

677
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 1: he said, like when I played in this defense, we

678
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 1: needed like eight defensive linemen.

679
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think it goes back to.

680
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 3: Like that kind of being like winning with four up front,

681
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 3: kind of being one of the key cogs in this

682
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:48,839
Speaker 3: machine where you want to win no matter which four

683
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:52,879
Speaker 3: you put out there, and so if you're subbing guys

684
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 3: in and out, like, yeah, that depth is gonna keep

685
00:37:56,200 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 3: the train rolling. So that's why you want to build

686
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 3: it out that way. And I think, like, I mean,

687
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 3: we can get into the different archetypes of players and

688
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 3: like who fits what from this Titans roster, but like

689
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 3: it's kind of where they're built to succeed as things

690
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 3: stand right now.

691
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 4: So I'm kind of excited about that.

692
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 1: I think to your point, this is kind of almost

693
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,319
Speaker 1: an argument of like the Jarvis Brownlee Junior is an

694
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 1: outside or an inside corner? Yeah, And I think to

695
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 1: Andandre Sweat, is he a four to three three four

696
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 1: defensive tackle? He can do both? Is he more suited

697
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 1: for one kind of position than the other? Shirt in

698
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 1: a four to three he's more suited for the shade

699
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 1: due to his size, his athleticism because he does have

700
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 1: athleticism for his size, by the way. I mean, we've

701
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 1: seen him run with the ball. We've seen him go

702
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:54,320
Speaker 1: across the field to make tackles where nobody else is

703
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 1: getting there, and he's like one of the first guys there.

704
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 1: We've seen it on film. So he has athleticism. But

705
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 1: he can still be a three technique in this system.

706
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 1: So he can do both three technique and shade. He's

707
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:10,359
Speaker 1: better suited as shade. But what does that all tell you,

708
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 1: Oh that he fits the system.

709
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was really interesting. People hearing to and Andre

710
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 3: Sweat three tech might not I might not believe that, like, oh,

711
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 3: well they can't do that. Well, I mean the Titans did.

712
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 3: The Titans used him at three tech some I was

713
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 3: just watching the Patriots game earlier today and they lined

714
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 3: him up at three tech and you know, taking on

715
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 3: New England's got some smaller guards. Like that's a game

716
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 3: planning thing where you put the fear of God in

717
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:43,880
Speaker 3: those interior alignment Like looking up like, oh shit, I

718
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:47,400
Speaker 3: got a block to Andre Sweat. You're not the biggest

719
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:49,840
Speaker 3: guy and you're going up against the guy that's probably

720
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 3: the biggest guy you'll face all season. Right, that's that's terrifying,

721
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:57,760
Speaker 3: but it's also a testament to his ability. Obviously, Denard

722
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 3: Wilson trusted him in that spot execute that job. So

723
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 3: like it's a testament to the difference.

724
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 1: Are you If he's saying that Sala can't find the

725
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:10,240
Speaker 1: way with Tavin drey Sweat, then you're saying that Denard

726
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:14,799
Speaker 1: Wilson's better at defensive coordinating and personnel uses than Robert Sala.

727
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:18,319
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't think that's a leap from a

728
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:19,319
Speaker 3: logic standpoint.

729
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's what it sounds like to me.

730
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 3: So I don't know, man, Like the what I what

731
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 3: I really how I really differentiate the two is like

732
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 3: it felt like Sala's forty nine ers defense in twenty

733
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 3: twenty five was built so that the defensive line could

734
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 3: kind of stack up and control the line of scrimmage

735
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:45,759
Speaker 3: and let the linebackers behind them make the.

736
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 2: Place to disrupt the game.

737
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 3: Whereas with the Titans, they didn't have rangy linebackers, but

738
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:58,280
Speaker 3: they had defensive linemen that could hit moves on offensive linemen.

739
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 3: So they said, the defensive line, you be the disruptors.

740
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:06,399
Speaker 3: You go make the plays, and the linebackers are gonna

741
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:09,720
Speaker 3: be the guys that are right place, right time, trying

742
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 3: to kind of control and keep everything in front of them.

743
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 2: But as far as like alignment and.

744
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 3: Technique, I just don't think to Andre Sweat's usage would

745
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 3: have been all that different in either defense.

746
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 1: It just would have looked different because there may have

747
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:27,760
Speaker 1: been a more people on the off a defensive line

748
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:31,359
Speaker 1: with them. Because the next tenant of this kind of

749
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 1: solid evolution of a defense is that he wants to

750
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 1: crowd the line of scrimmage with as many players as possible,

751
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 1: So there is gonna be.

752
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 2: Some athleticism that you need.

753
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:45,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he wants to show you so many different looks.

754
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:48,240
Speaker 2: After the snap.

755
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 1: And I kind of look at this whole situation with

756
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 1: this Tennessee Titans defense, and I get really excited about

757
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 1: Cedric Gray, get really excited about the possibility of James Williams, Billiams.

758
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 2: On here, Kevin Winston.

759
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:10,280
Speaker 1: Even a money hooker provides me a little bit of fun,

760
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 1: Like who can get the best out of a money hooker?

761
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 1: Feels like Robert Salid could do it. And kind of

762
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 1: looking at these pieces, you're like.

763
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:22,919
Speaker 3: Oh man, you got Devandre Sweat, you got a big

764
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 3: Jeff Heck I'm even excited for Familidasjo on the defensive line, Yeah,

765
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 3: because man, like he's got some power, but he also

766
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 3: has some versatility where like he could kind of be

767
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 3: that I don't know, do you put him at the

768
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 3: wide ninth spot but then drop him into coverage? Do

769
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 3: you have him at linebacker but then you know, have

770
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,799
Speaker 3: him penetrating a gap? And are you put him at

771
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:48,879
Speaker 3: the five? You put him at the five if he's

772
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 3: powerful enough.

773
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean he's a powerful dude.

774
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 1: Like I mean, when you when you talk fast and

775
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 1: violent and you know, I you know, I've not been

776
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 1: the biggest fan of em Ola Day Joe's very much

777
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 1: on record, but I do think with Robert Sala, I'm

778
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:05,320
Speaker 1: a little bit more excited because Robert Sala is a

779
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 1: player developer and I'm like, Okay, well, this is a

780
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 1: guy that Robert Sala can give a plan to and

781
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 1: here's how we're gonna use you, here's what you need

782
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 1: to work on. And I feel so much better about

783
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 1: that situation because you got Aaron White Cotton, right, I mean,

784
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 1: like Aaron White Cotton is gonna be a guy that's

785
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 1: gonna be handling. Doesn't sound like they're gonna have like

786
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 1: a defensive end or outside linebacker or pass rushing specialist.

787
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 1: It's gonna be Aaron White Cotton. So if he's in

788
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:37,799
Speaker 1: charge of fame Oladjo's development, which I would assume he is,

789
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 1: that's a really good look for this team. Like it's

790
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 1: not Ben Blue Nope, no offensive Ben Bloom. But it's like,

791
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 1: it's not Ben Bloom, it's Aaron White Cotton with a

792
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 1: huge track record of developing players. And so when you

793
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:55,759
Speaker 1: start looking at this defense, you start saying, Okay, they

794
00:43:55,880 --> 00:44:00,799
Speaker 1: got two of the three pieces needed at linebacker. That's

795
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 1: James Williams, the Cedric greg.

796
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 3: I was about to say, it's not I got a

797
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 3: bad feeling. See a cap Cody Barton. Kobe Barton could

798
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 3: be out of here.

799
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:10,319
Speaker 4: Yeah.

800
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:13,320
Speaker 1: And then you got on the defensive line, three of

801
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 1: the four. You have Big Jeff, you have Tavandre Sweat,

802
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 1: you have Fameal a Day Show.

803
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:19,319
Speaker 4: Yeah.

804
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 2: And I'm trying to discount.

805
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 1: Jalen Harrell or you know, maybe a read rebranding or

806
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 1: bringing back Sebastian, Josephay or Johan Ward. I'm just going

807
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 1: with like, if they draft Ruben Bain, he's starting over

808
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:32,240
Speaker 1: Jalen Harrow.

809
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, you go.

810
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:35,399
Speaker 1: What I'm saying, like, let's let's go with the three

811
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:36,839
Speaker 1: of the four. So we got two of the three,

812
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 1: three of the four, and then you got two of

813
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:42,720
Speaker 1: the two of your safeties. You got a money hooker

814
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 1: and Kevin Winston Junior. Well you only got one cornerback

815
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:49,280
Speaker 1: and that's Marcus Harris.

816
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 2: And I have no clue what he's going to be.

817
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 1: But I go back to what we learned and heard

818
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 1: about his time with the New York jefs Oh, here

819
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 1: we go, and that first year with the New York

820
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 1: Jets at corner he was kind of stuck. They had

821
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 1: corners that really didn't fit his system that he inherited,

822
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:19,399
Speaker 1: that was prior overpaid players. Yeah, and they didn't really work.

823
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 1: They weren't really in position to really draft guys that

824
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 1: he really wanted, and so they kind of sucked for

825
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 1: a year. Guys couldn't play the kind of coverage they

826
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:29,359
Speaker 1: want to play.

827
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 3: I was about to say, like he couldn't do what

828
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 3: he wanted to do with that position with them and

829
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 3: didn't really have an alternative to like, Okay, well if

830
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 3: they can't do this, what can we do with like

831
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 3: you're on an island.

832
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:44,400
Speaker 1: Right, So the thirty second ranked defense's first year and

833
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 1: then they jumped like the fourth of the ninth.

834
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 2: The second year.

835
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 1: Hold on, I think I actually have that on this list,

836
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 1: number four after that, so they were the fourth ranked

837
00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 1: after that.

838
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 4: Yes, okay, that's correct.

839
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:03,839
Speaker 2: That's a big leap. Yeah, huge leap.

840
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 1: So when you kind of look at that situation, you're

841
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:12,280
Speaker 1: just kind of like, Okay, this is the blank slate.

842
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:16,399
Speaker 1: I know everybody's infatuated with Rick Woollan and all these

843
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:19,880
Speaker 1: guys like, you know, I'm not saying that three plays

844
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:22,719
Speaker 1: make a player's career, but Rick Woollan had one of

845
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 1: the worst series of plays I've ever seen.

846
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:28,399
Speaker 3: Back to back to back since it was pretty bad

847
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:32,400
Speaker 3: in that championship game. But let's learn some cater kohu

848
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 3: there you go, cater ko who uh. People are just

849
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 3: thinking we're trying to say Cooter. Yeah, we'll just say

850
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 3: Cooter Cooter.

851
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 1: Co And but like, they have the spots open, they

852
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 1: have the money, and they have the draft capital, and

853
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 1: I would venture to say, based on what I saw

854
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl, corners are pretty heavy. Uh, interest

855
00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 1: of the Tennessee Titans right.

856
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:00,799
Speaker 2: Now, yeah, yeah, And but all that.

857
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:04,800
Speaker 1: To say is like, I don't think there's an instance

858
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:08,720
Speaker 1: where there's they're gonna have to be the thirty second

859
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 1: ranked defense while they're trying to get the pieces together.

860
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 1: I think they can go ahead and make the leap

861
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 1: to top fifteen. Yeah, I mean, which is a huge

862
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 1: improvement over what they've been for a long time, even

863
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 1: under Vrabel. This would be like Deanp's era Tennessee Titans. Yeah,

864
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 1: they've been in the top fifteen.

865
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 3: Hey, you and I were talking about it at the bar, Like,

866
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 3: if their defensive back situation trying so hard not to

867
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 3: burp right now, if their defensive back situation is a

868
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:41,880
Speaker 3: little bit better in twenty twenty five, that's actually the

869
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 3: defense is actually probably pretty good last year, but they

870
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 3: just it was warm bodies back there.

871
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 2: That man just looked completely disjointed.

872
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:54,719
Speaker 3: So I say that to say, if they can rebuild

873
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 3: the cornerback room, which it looks likely, I think there

874
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:00,800
Speaker 3: are some good names available in free agency.

875
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 4: Really really stoked about this draft class.

876
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 3: The more that you and I dig into it, it

877
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:09,320
Speaker 3: is it is very deep with big long boys, boys

878
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 3: that they love, boys that they love, and uh, I'm

879
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 3: I'm kind of stoked to see it, So I think

880
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:20,439
Speaker 3: therefore it's not a logical leap to say they they

881
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 3: can turn this around at the cornerback position and the

882
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 3: rest of the bones are good. This could be a

883
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 3: surprising defense in twenty twenty six or whatever year it is,

884
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:30,319
Speaker 3: I can't remember.

885
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:30,799
Speaker 2: Yeah.

886
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:35,759
Speaker 1: And and it goes back to needing smart discipline players. Yeah,

887
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 1: they because they do a kind of a pattern matching

888
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:41,280
Speaker 1: or pattern reading, where like half the field is zone,

889
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 1: half the field is man. Yeah, So what that means

890
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:47,360
Speaker 1: their players are taught to read the eyes and shoulders

891
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 1: of the quarterback.

892
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 2: I had it in my notes when you asked, kind of.

893
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 4: Trying to figure out. I don't know. Maybe Ross can

894
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:55,719
Speaker 4: help us with like identifying this on.

895
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 3: He's just a stupid wide receiver. They don't he doesn't

896
00:48:58,160 --> 00:48:59,359
Speaker 3: know anything about defensive facts.

897
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 2: Well that's okay, yeah, good point. He plays he's on

898
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 2: the opposite side of this.

899
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:07,279
Speaker 1: But he says players are this is this is from Yeah,

900
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 1: I don't know, this is from an actual article of

901
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 1: someone smarter than me.

902
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:12,439
Speaker 2: So this isn't just me coming up with it.

903
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 1: But players are taught to read the eyes and shoulders

904
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 1: or the quarterbacks, so they could position themselves properly, break

905
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:20,400
Speaker 1: on the football and eliminate yards.

906
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 2: After the catch. Yeah, so.

907
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 1: Matchup zone and need to have high level route recognition,

908
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 1: proper communication for it to work to eliminate the seams.

909
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:40,240
Speaker 1: So in basketball terms, for those basketball season basketball terms,

910
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 1: they want to take away the layups and three pointers.

911
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 1: If an offense can consistently beat them with mid range jumpers,

912
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 1: to live with that. So they they're gonna close in

913
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 1: fast on the screens in the short area, the short

914
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:55,319
Speaker 1: part of the field, and take away the explosives. If you,

915
00:49:55,840 --> 00:50:00,880
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, can dominate the intermedia the field, they

916
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:03,239
Speaker 1: may live with that, but good luck when you get

917
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 1: into the red zone.

918
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, and where the space condenses obviously.

919
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:07,920
Speaker 4: Yeah.

920
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:11,080
Speaker 3: So like some of the some of them like the

921
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 3: matching stuff, Like I got into it a little bit,

922
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 3: and it's like, okay, well, every defense has their rules

923
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:20,760
Speaker 3: to where like if you're lined up opposite a receiver

924
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:24,759
Speaker 3: and that receiver like say let's say you're you're eight

925
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 3: yards off, well, if he breaks his route in four yards,

926
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 3: you pass that guy off to the hook defender, the

927
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:37,359
Speaker 3: linebacker or the apex, whoever's in that spot. But like

928
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:40,240
Speaker 3: if he runs up four yards, all of a sudden,

929
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 3: he's your man, and you turn and run with him.

930
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 3: So it's like, for one, like I'm watching the tape

931
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:48,439
Speaker 3: trying to figure out, Okay, was he supposed to take

932
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:49,319
Speaker 3: that guy or was.

933
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:50,439
Speaker 4: He supposed to pass him off?

934
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 3: But also to your point, like, you've got to have

935
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:57,359
Speaker 3: those recognition skills, those instincts to be able to I mean,

936
00:50:57,400 --> 00:51:01,280
Speaker 3: we're talking about millisecond like firing a synapse, being able

937
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:04,840
Speaker 3: to recognize what a receiver's doing and reacting to it.

938
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 1: And maybe that's why Leonore was in the spot that

939
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 1: he was in, because he could do that. Maybe that's

940
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:11,799
Speaker 1: why upton Stout didn't look in over his head because

941
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 1: he can have the process. Yeah, we won't know that

942
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 1: right really through, because I don't know how much of

943
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 1: the defense has actually run that.

944
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 4: Well, that's a good point.

945
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:22,920
Speaker 2: In college, so we may never know.

946
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 1: Well, that's where that's where pro days and that's where

947
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:28,439
Speaker 1: interviews and thirty visits come into play.

948
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:31,880
Speaker 3: We also get into our really nerdy conversations about the

949
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 3: defense they're running at col and yeah, Manny Diaz at

950
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 3: Duke and Northwestern and Iowa like those little more advanced

951
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:43,719
Speaker 3: defenses with guys with NFL experience.

952
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 2: Like maybe those players are a little more ready.

953
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 3: And I wrote about that this week on Stacking the Inbox,

954
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:51,400
Speaker 3: like maybe we should have our eyes on guys like TJ.

955
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:56,360
Speaker 3: Hall from Iowa, Chandler Rivers from Duke, and Fred Davis

956
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:58,319
Speaker 3: from Northwestern, a guy that I really like.

957
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:00,720
Speaker 2: Like it's it's the.

958
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 3: The recognition, but also the communication aspect of that too,

959
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 3: where it's like you got to know, like, hey, I'm

960
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:08,440
Speaker 3: passing this guy off to you, and I don't know

961
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:10,399
Speaker 3: if it's you know, I'm not saying guys are out

962
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:12,880
Speaker 3: there just pointing like you your turn, you take him, But

963
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 3: like it requires that like instant level of processing and

964
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 3: communication to pass guys off for it to really be effective.

965
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 3: But I think that's another area where we've seen, Like

966
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:31,080
Speaker 3: you mentioned Upton stout that first game, maybe it was

967
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 3: a little rocky, but he settled in had a pretty

968
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:37,799
Speaker 3: nice rookie year. So was Western Kentucky running a lot

969
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 3: of like pattern matching coverages.

970
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:42,479
Speaker 2: I don't know, I'm not inclined to think so so.

971
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:45,839
Speaker 1: But maybe he also had the willingness and and well

972
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 1: dedication to learn.

973
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 3: It points to another invaluable trait of Robert Salas not

974
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 3: just recognizing the talent and putting him in positions to succeed,

975
00:52:55,719 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 3: but being able to take talent and teach it and get.

976
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:01,760
Speaker 2: These guys up to speed.

977
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 3: Like, can you imagine this type of coverage to a

978
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 3: kid that played at Western Kentucky. No offense to the Hilltoppers,

979
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 3: no offense to Conference USA. But like to go from

980
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 3: that to what Robert Sala was doing in San Francisco.

981
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:21,920
Speaker 3: Give all the credit, we want to to up and stout,

982
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:26,399
Speaker 3: But there's two sides to that equation. And I think

983
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:29,719
Speaker 3: the fact that whatever's going on in that defense, the

984
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:31,720
Speaker 3: fact that he can get these guys up to speed

985
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:35,240
Speaker 3: is another encouraging aspect of his his coaching prowess.

986
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:36,640
Speaker 2: Well, I also think that.

987
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:40,239
Speaker 1: It also goes to the fact that he's also wanting

988
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 1: a nickel coach. Oh yeah, So like that's another kind

989
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:46,719
Speaker 1: of wrinkle that's a little bit under discussed in this

990
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:49,360
Speaker 1: whole entire defensive thing, is that he's never had a

991
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 1: nickel coach. Now he wants one. Didn't even have one

992
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:57,160
Speaker 1: last year, Now he wants one. What's he what's he cooking?

993
00:53:57,640 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 4: What's going on there?

994
00:53:58,560 --> 00:53:59,400
Speaker 2: What's he cooking?

995
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 1: Like what has he learned or seen even from his

996
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:06,240
Speaker 1: time in San Francisco that said, Man, I could really

997
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 1: use a Nickel corner because I want to do something different.

998
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:12,959
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it could be and it couldn't be coach.

999
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:15,799
Speaker 3: I guess just say it could be like, whoa, this

1000
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 3: guy is really important to my defense, Like I need

1001
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:22,680
Speaker 3: somebody that dedicates time to this position.

1002
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:23,320
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1003
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 3: So like here, you know, if it's Marcus Harris and

1004
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 3: let's say they draft Chandler Rivers out of Duke, It's like, Okay,

1005
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 3: I want a guy specific for these skill sets, for

1006
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:38,879
Speaker 3: these players, Like because Chandler Rivers, Oh, dude, TJ Hall.

1007
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:41,680
Speaker 3: TJ Hall's julian'.

1008
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:42,920
Speaker 2: Neil would get me bricked up too.

1009
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:45,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're gonna give up the second round pick for

1010
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:45,839
Speaker 3: Julian Neil?

1011
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1012
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 4: Absolutely, because I think it's going to take the second round.

1013
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:51,040
Speaker 2: I think I would say they may even happen anyway,

1014
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 2: it might.

1015
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:55,000
Speaker 3: Take your third to get Chandler Rivers at this point. Yeah,

1016
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:57,440
Speaker 3: the way he's going, we got a lot of time

1017
00:54:57,480 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 3: for draft, right, we're here to talk about the scheme.

1018
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 1: So yeah, here's here's my question, and I'd love to

1019
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:13,160
Speaker 1: get your take. Who is the post safety and who

1020
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:17,600
Speaker 1: is the run thumping safety? So like who's man and listen,

1021
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:21,719
Speaker 1: they're not beholden to these roles. But who's your earl Thomas,

1022
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:25,319
Speaker 1: who's your camp chancellor? And does the Okay, let me

1023
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 1: ask you this too, second follow up question or an

1024
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:34,760
Speaker 1: and or question? Who's your cam chancellor? Who's your earl Thomas?

1025
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:39,040
Speaker 1: What you saw in San Francisco? Do you think you

1026
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:41,200
Speaker 1: need those kinds of defined roles?

1027
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:45,800
Speaker 4: Man, that's a that's a tough question.

1028
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:49,560
Speaker 3: I would really love to ask Robert Solow this if

1029
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 3: you were to sit on our couch. Uh as for

1030
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 3: the safeties, Like, man, I couldn't even name you who

1031
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:57,960
Speaker 3: the forty nine ers safeties were off the top of

1032
00:55:58,000 --> 00:55:58,319
Speaker 3: my head.

1033
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:00,800
Speaker 1: Uh, Marquis Siggle is one of them.

1034
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:03,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean and he because.

1035
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:06,839
Speaker 1: The gyre Brown did he play the entire year?

1036
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:10,320
Speaker 4: I don't remember, but he was like factored into their plans.

1037
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:14,360
Speaker 2: He was yeah, yeah, yeah, a.

1038
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:18,640
Speaker 3: Boy from og senior bullet feels like wake Forest kid. Yeah,

1039
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:19,920
Speaker 3: good good tape.

1040
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 4: Man.

1041
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:24,440
Speaker 3: I I don't know, like I as far as like

1042
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 3: the utilization of the safeties, I would kind of feel

1043
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:31,960
Speaker 3: like Amani Hooker would have to be the post defender.

1044
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:34,920
Speaker 3: Like Kevin Winston is kind of that play with your

1045
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 3: hair on fire kind of guy, very downhill sound angles

1046
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:43,759
Speaker 3: like made some really fun tackles.

1047
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:46,280
Speaker 4: I kind of feel like that's the vibe.

1048
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:49,440
Speaker 3: But you know, when we talk about this, I'm just

1049
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 3: I keep picturing Earl Thomas and I'm like, Moni Hookers,

1050
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:56,880
Speaker 3: no Earl Thomas, but you're not gonna find it. Like, well,

1051
00:56:57,040 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 3: that'sh boy. We could have that conversation if you'd like to.

1052
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:04,640
Speaker 3: I like Caleb Downs a lot, and I think he would.

1053
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:07,520
Speaker 3: Oh he might even could be your nickel too.

1054
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:10,680
Speaker 1: Well, I do want to try that out there before well,

1055
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:14,400
Speaker 1: I do want to transition into the three pass rushers

1056
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:15,080
Speaker 1: of three defense.

1057
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:17,480
Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on the safety position before we?

1058
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:19,640
Speaker 1: MA, I don't know if he needs that anymore. I

1059
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:24,560
Speaker 1: think we may be looking at maybe dan Quinn's version. Yeah,

1060
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 1: this defense that he seems pretty static with. They need

1061
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:31,200
Speaker 1: those safeties, but I kind of look at.

1062
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:31,640
Speaker 2: What they did.

1063
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:36,040
Speaker 1: They were the thirteenth ranked scoring defense. Yeah in the NFL,

1064
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:39,600
Speaker 1: thirteenth best with a bunch of nobody's.

1065
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:41,600
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying, Like nobody.

1066
00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:45,920
Speaker 1: They ain't a defensive lineman that play ten games for

1067
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:48,640
Speaker 1: them that's better than Devandre Sweat.

1068
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:50,720
Speaker 2: Yeah. I would say.

1069
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:53,280
Speaker 1: Diamadour Lenoor is probably the best corner out of all

1070
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 1: the corners that we've seen the last two years for

1071
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:57,800
Speaker 1: the Titans in the San Francisco forty nine ers, and

1072
00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:01,000
Speaker 1: he's five to ten. Yeah, I would say that the

1073
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:04,480
Speaker 1: linebackers for the Titans were better than the linebackers for

1074
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:08,280
Speaker 1: the forty nine ers talent wise. Yeah, but obviously he

1075
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:10,400
Speaker 1: got a lot out of those linebackers still, So like,

1076
00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 1: I don't know if these well it it goes back

1077
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:16,600
Speaker 1: to our original thing is like the static the archetype.

1078
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:18,960
Speaker 1: It just doesn't feel like we can sit here and

1079
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 1: talk about the post safety and the apex predator defender

1080
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:27,920
Speaker 1: of you know, Earl Thomas and put all of the

1081
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:32,320
Speaker 1: laurels and accolades that he probably rightfully deserves. But at

1082
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:35,000
Speaker 1: the same time, I don't I think Robert Sola has

1083
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:36,240
Speaker 1: shown he doesn't need that guy.

1084
00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:39,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, well said that's you took the words right out

1085
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:39,600
Speaker 3: of my mouth.

1086
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:42,000
Speaker 2: I was about to say, well, we talked about earlier.

1087
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:44,480
Speaker 3: Is like he seems to be a guy that cooks

1088
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:45,600
Speaker 3: with what he has available.

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00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:49,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I do want to talk then move shift

1090
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:52,520
Speaker 1: to the three pass rushing defenders and just real quick

1091
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:56,640
Speaker 1: and talk about their fits on this team. Okay, And

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00:58:56,680 --> 00:59:00,400
Speaker 1: I want to start with Ruben Bay because I think

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00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:03,400
Speaker 1: Ruben Bain is an interesting guy where it feels like

1094
00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:07,520
Speaker 1: to me and maybe I'm wrong, he feels more five

1095
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:10,640
Speaker 1: than he does nine. I'm with you, and he feels

1096
00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:11,360
Speaker 1: five and three.

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00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:13,320
Speaker 2: I was about to say he might even feel a little.

1098
00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:15,680
Speaker 1: Three on some some downs, which is good because then

1099
00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:18,640
Speaker 1: he could put Jeff at the five, right like cooking

1100
00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:22,520
Speaker 1: for some patico like that's you would put maybe then

1101
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:24,560
Speaker 1: Fimmy at the nine like we talked about it, or

1102
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:27,400
Speaker 1: even Jalen Harrold would probably benefit at the nine as well.

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00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:27,680
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1104
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:30,800
Speaker 2: Sure, so now we're cooking right like James Williams at

1105
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:32,400
Speaker 2: the nine. Yeah, there, he's not too far.

1106
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:32,919
Speaker 4: Have I gone?

1107
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:34,520
Speaker 2: Let's put kal Downs at the five.

1108
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:38,600
Speaker 1: But mean, when you got like fimial A days you

1109
00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:40,840
Speaker 1: at the nine wide out to the nine, and then

1110
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:43,440
Speaker 1: you got big Jeff at the three to Andandre sweat

1111
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:48,120
Speaker 1: and nose, and then Ruben Bain at the five, I mean,

1112
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:51,560
Speaker 1: I know there's a long stint where it does not

1113
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:55,360
Speaker 1: feel like ruben Bain was a finisher.

1114
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:57,560
Speaker 3: Well, you just got to figure out is he the

1115
00:59:57,640 --> 01:00:01,040
Speaker 3: guy that was kind of middling throughout the year, or

1116
01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:03,240
Speaker 3: is he the guy that showed up against Notre Dame

1117
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:07,120
Speaker 3: and then showed back up for the playoffs. If you're confident,

1118
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:10,880
Speaker 3: you're comfortable with your research, you do your due diligence,

1119
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:13,880
Speaker 3: and you figure out that ruben Bain is the guy

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Speaker 3: that we saw for that playoff run, then yeah, he's

1121
01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:19,800
Speaker 3: he's he's Are you okay over there?

1122
01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:21,600
Speaker 1: Well, it took me a while to because there was

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01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:24,640
Speaker 1: a spelling error in this message. This may be the

1124
01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:28,720
Speaker 1: stupidest trade proposal I've ever seen on our on our chat.

1125
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Speaker 4: In the chat.

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01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:31,360
Speaker 3: Huh, I haven't even been a I haven't been paying

1127
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:33,920
Speaker 3: attention to the chat tonight. We've been so locked in

1128
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:35,480
Speaker 3: on this this discussion.

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01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:39,240
Speaker 1: Would you trade Just to sorry to derail this conversation,

1130
01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:42,880
Speaker 1: but would you trade? Oh my god, would you trade

1131
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:46,919
Speaker 1: Jeff Simmons and cam Ward and the fourth overall pick

1132
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:49,520
Speaker 1: for Max Crosby in the first overall pick?

1133
01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:53,520
Speaker 2: Oh no? What?

1134
01:00:57,520 --> 01:01:01,640
Speaker 4: Oh man? What should do that?

1135
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:06,400
Speaker 2: If I was half conscious in a ditch, what's your

1136
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:11,840
Speaker 2: answer to that, Zach fuck no, holy shit.

1137
01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:14,800
Speaker 3: Oh man, I don't don't tell me who asked that,

1138
01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:17,320
Speaker 3: because I don't want to judge anybody. Uh well, I

1139
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:21,320
Speaker 3: mean you kind of already did anyway, but uh yeah,

1140
01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:27,560
Speaker 3: I'm good. Yeah, moving on, moving on, Let's just let's

1141
01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:29,520
Speaker 3: give every fucking audio away.

1142
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:37,520
Speaker 1: Okay, but like Ruben Bain, good fit yeah, green fitly

1143
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:43,840
Speaker 1: stylistically too, yeah okay, so powerful rusher, right, powerful rusher.

1144
01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:46,080
Speaker 1: And yes, he is a disruptor, not a finisher. I

1145
01:01:46,120 --> 01:01:49,480
Speaker 1: know Buston has seen that quite a few times. But

1146
01:01:49,600 --> 01:01:56,120
Speaker 1: still disrupting. Disrupting in college does tend to equate to

1147
01:01:56,880 --> 01:01:59,560
Speaker 1: sachs in the NFL. It's like tackles for losses kind

1148
01:01:59,560 --> 01:02:01,600
Speaker 1: of do the same thing. You got to be in

1149
01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:05,680
Speaker 1: position to do it right. So at least he's in

1150
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:09,720
Speaker 1: position causing pressure of some sort. So that's that is

1151
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:11,440
Speaker 1: what disrupting is. But I would like to see a

1152
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:12,160
Speaker 1: lot more sex.

1153
01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:14,840
Speaker 3: I'm so thinking about that trade proposal. Can you imagine

1154
01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:18,200
Speaker 3: no more cam Ward, no more Jeff Simmons, ye, Fernando

1155
01:02:18,280 --> 01:02:20,480
Speaker 3: Mendoz and Max Froz.

1156
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:21,200
Speaker 4: Who might not even be good.

1157
01:02:21,720 --> 01:02:26,240
Speaker 3: Max Crosby is like, that's it Yeah, that's it, and

1158
01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:26,760
Speaker 3: that's funny.

1159
01:02:26,760 --> 01:02:27,280
Speaker 4: I'm sorry.

1160
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:32,880
Speaker 1: Okay, So rvil Reese is an interesting case study because

1161
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:38,160
Speaker 1: we're not as high on rvil Reese for a myriad

1162
01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:41,520
Speaker 1: of different reasons than than most of the draft world.

1163
01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:46,640
Speaker 1: But I do contend with what Dane Brugler said that

1164
01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:49,240
Speaker 1: like five of the best players in this draft both

1165
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:53,040
Speaker 1: are from Indiana or Ohio, Okay, not Miami and I

1166
01:02:53,120 --> 01:02:56,360
Speaker 1: because I would put r VL rees probably four ahead

1167
01:02:56,360 --> 01:02:57,960
Speaker 1: of Bernado Mendoza. I don't even know if I put

1168
01:02:58,000 --> 01:02:59,600
Speaker 1: Fernando Mendoz in that top five.

1169
01:03:00,040 --> 01:03:00,600
Speaker 2: Ye, I don't know.

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01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:02,800
Speaker 3: I think he gets a pass because he plays the

1171
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:06,000
Speaker 3: most important position. Yeah, but if you're just looking at

1172
01:03:06,280 --> 01:03:10,040
Speaker 3: like just straight up raw scouting, uh yeah, I don't

1173
01:03:10,080 --> 01:03:12,160
Speaker 3: know if he would be a top five for me either.

1174
01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:16,560
Speaker 1: But I will say that there's a lot of upside

1175
01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:19,440
Speaker 1: to him. He's like reversed Jalen Walker almost. You know,

1176
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:21,880
Speaker 1: Jalen Walker wasn't a great linebacker, but he's a pretty

1177
01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:26,160
Speaker 1: good edge rusher. Yeah, and really, r vel Reese is

1178
01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:30,400
Speaker 1: a good linebacker, but his pass rushing upside is yet.

1179
01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:31,960
Speaker 2: To be achieved. He's got a ways to go with

1180
01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:32,840
Speaker 2: got a ways to go.

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01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:35,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it comes down to the question of his

1182
01:03:35,600 --> 01:03:40,160
Speaker 1: fitness defense, and his fitness defense would be like the

1183
01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:43,800
Speaker 1: guy that could be on the you know, filling kind

1184
01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:46,200
Speaker 1: of the gap between the wide nine and the three tech.

1185
01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:48,320
Speaker 2: You know, he's kind of like that guy.

1186
01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:50,520
Speaker 1: Where crowding the line of scrimmage and then he can

1187
01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:53,040
Speaker 1: back out in the coverage and all that kind of stuff.

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01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:57,360
Speaker 2: How do you view as fit? Yeah, I would.

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01:03:57,440 --> 01:04:00,640
Speaker 3: I would say he probably fits more at the linebacker

1190
01:04:00,680 --> 01:04:04,440
Speaker 3: spot than any of the defensive line spots. But you know,

1191
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:08,000
Speaker 3: I wouldn't be I wouldn't be so quick to discard

1192
01:04:08,040 --> 01:04:10,840
Speaker 3: him at the nine. But I just certainly I don't

1193
01:04:10,840 --> 01:04:16,920
Speaker 3: think he's very He's very bursty. He accelerates into his rush,

1194
01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:21,200
Speaker 3: he accelerates into his bend, he fires his hands like

1195
01:04:21,240 --> 01:04:22,440
Speaker 3: that's all well and good.

1196
01:04:22,520 --> 01:04:23,360
Speaker 4: It's it's pop.

1197
01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:26,520
Speaker 3: But he doesn't have the frame to really create drive

1198
01:04:26,560 --> 01:04:30,600
Speaker 3: off of it. So that's where I have concern. If

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Speaker 3: you're putting him up there in situations that require power,

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01:04:34,560 --> 01:04:37,560
Speaker 3: he's got to bulk up and get more reps rushing

1201
01:04:37,600 --> 01:04:42,040
Speaker 3: with power. Otherwise, you know, maybe you get him one

1202
01:04:42,080 --> 01:04:45,120
Speaker 3: on one with a tight end and like his rushing

1203
01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:47,880
Speaker 3: reps against tight ends and running backs trying to pass

1204
01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:51,200
Speaker 3: protect is dominant, right, so you get him in those matchups,

1205
01:04:51,280 --> 01:04:53,960
Speaker 3: he can win. But I don't think it's He's not

1206
01:04:54,080 --> 01:04:56,520
Speaker 3: a plug and play edge rusher in the NFL. He's

1207
01:04:56,560 --> 01:04:59,080
Speaker 3: not like if every down and distance.

1208
01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:00,760
Speaker 1: Because I was down on him in a three four

1209
01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:03,400
Speaker 1: because I'm like, well you have Cedric Gray and Cody

1210
01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:06,959
Speaker 1: Barton in at three to four because I don't think

1211
01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:09,200
Speaker 1: he's a pure stand up edge rusher.

1212
01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:12,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would agree, but I do think, like he's

1213
01:05:12,080 --> 01:05:15,720
Speaker 3: a really good athlete, You're not throwing to the flat

1214
01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:16,040
Speaker 3: on him.

1215
01:05:16,040 --> 01:05:19,760
Speaker 1: Good run defender, I mean not elite, I mean like

1216
01:05:19,800 --> 01:05:21,760
Speaker 1: I think you still think Keldric Falk is probably the

1217
01:05:21,800 --> 01:05:25,080
Speaker 1: best edge run defender in the or defensive end, right,

1218
01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:25,600
Speaker 1: we have to.

1219
01:05:25,560 --> 01:05:27,080
Speaker 2: I'd have to work on my Uh.

1220
01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:31,000
Speaker 3: I finished Keldric Falk like two months ago, so I'd

1221
01:05:31,080 --> 01:05:33,480
Speaker 3: have to go back and review my notes. But like

1222
01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:37,760
Speaker 3: on the surface, yeah, I'm okay with that, but like defending,

1223
01:05:37,880 --> 01:05:41,080
Speaker 3: like mirroring running backs, defending the flat like he's he's a.

1224
01:05:41,120 --> 01:05:42,960
Speaker 4: Very fluid an athlete.

1225
01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:46,960
Speaker 3: He played a lot of reps at linebacker at Ohio State,

1226
01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:52,200
Speaker 3: and like crashing gaps, covering the crossing stuff underneath, like

1227
01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:57,240
Speaker 3: he's a good he looks like a linebacker. I've said

1228
01:05:57,680 --> 01:05:59,960
Speaker 3: he's a linebacker, and he's not even the best linebacker

1229
01:06:00,080 --> 01:06:03,560
Speaker 3: on his own team. Because I like Sonny Styles that

1230
01:06:03,640 --> 01:06:07,600
Speaker 3: much to be Sonny Styles probably position value aside one

1231
01:06:07,640 --> 01:06:09,560
Speaker 3: of the five best players in this draft.

1232
01:06:09,760 --> 01:06:12,080
Speaker 1: But well, the five best players in this draft are

1233
01:06:12,320 --> 01:06:15,560
Speaker 1: three of the five are a linebacker, running back in

1234
01:06:15,600 --> 01:06:16,200
Speaker 1: a safety.

1235
01:06:16,280 --> 01:06:22,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I I could see Reese fitting in this

1236
01:06:22,800 --> 01:06:27,160
Speaker 3: system as a versatile piece that could do a lot

1237
01:06:27,200 --> 01:06:29,960
Speaker 3: with But I still that still doesn't mean that I

1238
01:06:30,040 --> 01:06:33,480
Speaker 3: necessarily know what he is, And for me, I have

1239
01:06:33,640 --> 01:06:36,760
Speaker 3: reservations taking a player at four overall that I'm still

1240
01:06:36,800 --> 01:06:38,200
Speaker 3: not quite sure what he is.

1241
01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:41,600
Speaker 1: And to be fair to play to kind of counter

1242
01:06:41,680 --> 01:06:44,960
Speaker 1: that we don't have to know what he is. Well,

1243
01:06:45,160 --> 01:06:47,560
Speaker 1: and if they're taking him at four, they've already figured

1244
01:06:47,600 --> 01:06:48,800
Speaker 1: out figured it out.

1245
01:06:48,600 --> 01:06:51,400
Speaker 3: And what they want to do with him, presumably, Yeah, presumably,

1246
01:06:52,320 --> 01:06:55,240
Speaker 3: so Mike Bragonzi would not be like a kid looks good,

1247
01:06:55,320 --> 01:06:57,600
Speaker 3: let's uh, let's bring him in here, Robert, you figure

1248
01:06:57,640 --> 01:06:59,720
Speaker 3: out what to do with him. Yeah, I mean I

1249
01:06:59,720 --> 01:07:01,840
Speaker 3: would think that would be the case. But shit that's

1250
01:07:01,840 --> 01:07:05,280
Speaker 3: happened before in the draft. Not not calling out the Titans,

1251
01:07:05,360 --> 01:07:08,720
Speaker 3: just you know, I think about like Tyree Wilson, like

1252
01:07:09,240 --> 01:07:16,080
Speaker 3: Cleveland Ferrell. Yeah, guys that went high. David Bailey, David Bailey. Productive.

1253
01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:22,680
Speaker 3: The limitations that people are cighting have made me want

1254
01:07:22,680 --> 01:07:24,560
Speaker 3: to go back and watch a little more tape on him.

1255
01:07:25,480 --> 01:07:28,000
Speaker 3: I don't see a stiff guy. I mean, I don't

1256
01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:32,800
Speaker 3: see like the birstiest bendiest athlete ever. He's not gumby,

1257
01:07:33,080 --> 01:07:36,240
Speaker 3: he's not gumby, but like I watched.

1258
01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:44,040
Speaker 1: His more bend Harold Landry or David Bailey, uh from Prospect.

1259
01:07:43,520 --> 01:07:44,800
Speaker 2: If he can remember that far.

1260
01:07:44,720 --> 01:07:47,920
Speaker 4: Back, I don't. I wasn't even watching tape in twenty.

1261
01:07:47,680 --> 01:07:50,160
Speaker 2: Eight Again, so when do you start watching tape.

1262
01:07:49,960 --> 01:07:52,480
Speaker 4: It would have been twenty twenty.

1263
01:07:52,960 --> 01:07:55,160
Speaker 2: I think, Okay, I'll come back to you. I'll think

1264
01:07:55,160 --> 01:07:55,560
Speaker 2: of something.

1265
01:07:55,680 --> 01:07:56,640
Speaker 4: But I didn't never compare.

1266
01:07:56,840 --> 01:07:58,480
Speaker 3: That's not saying I knew what I was watching in

1267
01:07:58,520 --> 01:08:01,560
Speaker 3: twenty twenty. That's just when I like I got access

1268
01:08:01,600 --> 01:08:01,840
Speaker 3: to it.

1269
01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:04,360
Speaker 1: Okay, what about Trayvon Walker versus.

1270
01:08:05,600 --> 01:08:07,920
Speaker 2: David Bailey. David Bailey, David Bailey.

1271
01:08:08,200 --> 01:08:10,640
Speaker 1: Okay, so instead of getting the first overall pick, you're

1272
01:08:10,680 --> 01:08:11,600
Speaker 1: getting him at four.

1273
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:15,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean yeah, But I'm also like, I was

1274
01:08:15,360 --> 01:08:17,519
Speaker 3: not very high on Trayvon Walker.

1275
01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:21,920
Speaker 2: I thought he was a very had a ways to go.

1276
01:08:22,439 --> 01:08:22,879
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1277
01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:26,920
Speaker 3: So but with Bailey, like he has the moves, he

1278
01:08:27,000 --> 01:08:31,040
Speaker 3: has the production looks, the part curious to see.

1279
01:08:31,720 --> 01:08:33,960
Speaker 4: Do you smell gas all of a sudden.

1280
01:08:33,720 --> 01:08:36,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I smell something really weird. All right, maybe we

1281
01:08:36,040 --> 01:08:37,799
Speaker 2: should get out Jackson here.

1282
01:08:38,120 --> 01:08:41,240
Speaker 3: If you'll see us just fainting in the studio, somebody

1283
01:08:41,280 --> 01:08:43,040
Speaker 3: called nine to one one, get us out of here.

1284
01:08:43,360 --> 01:08:46,000
Speaker 3: It's you there, he is there, he is, there's Jackson.

1285
01:08:48,200 --> 01:08:49,840
Speaker 3: I think he's got enough light.

1286
01:08:50,040 --> 01:08:51,479
Speaker 2: Don't light anything, please.

1287
01:08:52,120 --> 01:08:52,599
Speaker 4: Oh damn.

1288
01:08:52,600 --> 01:08:56,280
Speaker 3: I brought my pipe today too. I think he's got

1289
01:08:56,439 --> 01:09:00,320
Speaker 3: enough from watching the tape. He's got enough athleticism, he's

1290
01:09:00,360 --> 01:09:04,599
Speaker 3: got enough tape. He's got what it's gotta be food.

1291
01:09:05,120 --> 01:09:08,479
Speaker 3: I hope it's food, because it smells like natural gas.

1292
01:09:08,840 --> 01:09:10,040
Speaker 4: We're gonna at.

1293
01:09:10,040 --> 01:09:10,960
Speaker 2: Least it's not raid on.

1294
01:09:12,920 --> 01:09:16,879
Speaker 3: Or what's that stuff that they're injecting into their penises

1295
01:09:16,920 --> 01:09:18,920
Speaker 3: to make them bigger so they can ski jump more

1296
01:09:19,360 --> 01:09:19,680
Speaker 3: at the.

1297
01:09:19,640 --> 01:09:21,960
Speaker 1: Olympics, heromic acid or something.

1298
01:09:21,840 --> 01:09:22,800
Speaker 4: Like that, something like that.

1299
01:09:22,840 --> 01:09:24,479
Speaker 2: Whoever suggested that trade earlier.

1300
01:09:24,479 --> 01:09:26,080
Speaker 4: It sounds it smells like their fart.

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Speaker 2: That's what it smellsh trash fart.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, David Bailey, I think he's good enough.

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01:09:34,360 --> 01:09:36,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean like he's a really he was

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01:09:37,520 --> 01:09:41,280
Speaker 1: he when I'm interested to see his athletic testing that

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01:09:41,760 --> 01:09:44,679
Speaker 1: it's the be all end all. But I will go

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Speaker 1: back to if you can find a player that is

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Speaker 1: has elite athleticism means in the green on the r

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Speaker 1: A s Yeah, and the production to back it up

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01:09:55,880 --> 01:09:57,120
Speaker 1: and the growth in.

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Speaker 2: Production, it's a pretty safe player. That's a safe player.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And then and maybe safe isn't the right word to use,

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01:10:03,560 --> 01:10:05,519
Speaker 1: but that's a player that I would bet on in

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Speaker 1: four in this draft class.

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Speaker 4: Well, you know what he is. You know what he is.

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01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:13,360
Speaker 3: He's a guy that can rush the passer and and

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Speaker 3: produce and produce.

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Speaker 2: I mean what more do you want?

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01:10:16,520 --> 01:10:18,680
Speaker 1: Put him at the wide nine and we're cooking.

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01:10:18,720 --> 01:10:22,360
Speaker 2: Oh baby man. See then like that he got.

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01:10:22,320 --> 01:10:28,599
Speaker 1: David Bailey, Big Jeff to and Andre Sweat, Fimilodejo or org.

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01:10:28,840 --> 01:10:31,400
Speaker 1: I think Jalen Harrol, I think let's just keep with

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01:10:31,479 --> 01:10:32,599
Speaker 1: the Fimaladjo thing.

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Speaker 3: Like I think it's it's gonna be really fun if

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01:10:34,880 --> 01:10:37,360
Speaker 3: they get Jalen Harroll at the five and then maybe

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Speaker 3: put Fimy at one of the linebacker spots.

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Speaker 2: There you go, There you go. Just a couple of questions.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was gonna ask if if we got anything

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Speaker 3: from the chat we do.

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Speaker 4: I haven't really been paying attention to that.

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01:10:47,240 --> 01:10:50,400
Speaker 1: And Henry asked, so should we not specifically focus on

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01:10:50,520 --> 01:10:53,639
Speaker 1: man corners this draft since Salah has used so much zone?

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Speaker 1: I would say that Salah has used whatever is necessary

1334
01:10:56,800 --> 01:10:59,559
Speaker 1: for the players that he has. When he had Sauce,

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01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:05,720
Speaker 1: he used him and man coverage, yes, and used the

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01:11:05,800 --> 01:11:08,800
Speaker 1: other half in zone coverage on the field. And what

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01:11:08,880 --> 01:11:10,920
Speaker 1: you saw last year is that he actually used more

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01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:14,720
Speaker 1: man coverage in San Francisco than zone coverage. So we

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01:11:15,600 --> 01:11:18,280
Speaker 1: I kind of look at like this. If you're a

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01:11:18,320 --> 01:11:24,080
Speaker 1: successful man corner, how many of those don't translate to zone?

1341
01:11:24,400 --> 01:11:28,200
Speaker 1: And if you're a successful zone corner but an unsuccessful

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01:11:28,280 --> 01:11:31,280
Speaker 1: man corner, you're probably never gonna be able to play man.

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01:11:31,520 --> 01:11:31,800
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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01:11:31,880 --> 01:11:36,200
Speaker 3: I would say at this stage and the roster rebuild.

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01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:39,840
Speaker 1: I wouldn't get so caught up on the mind. I

1346
01:11:39,840 --> 01:11:42,120
Speaker 1: would are you physical, smart, and disciplined?

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01:11:42,240 --> 01:11:45,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, said shout out at Henry for asking that question,

1348
01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:47,160
Speaker 3: because that's a good question. But like I would say,

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01:11:47,960 --> 01:11:51,439
Speaker 3: just get fucking dogs, Yeah, get fucking dogs in here

1350
01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:54,639
Speaker 3: and sort out that aspect of the coverage later.

1351
01:11:54,840 --> 01:11:57,840
Speaker 1: If you I think a lot of people think that

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01:11:57,960 --> 01:12:00,400
Speaker 1: because you do press coverage, you're automatically in man.

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01:12:00,720 --> 01:12:03,800
Speaker 3: Yes, I do think that's okay, So that's not true.

1354
01:12:03,880 --> 01:12:04,439
Speaker 3: It's not true.

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01:12:04,520 --> 01:12:08,080
Speaker 1: It's not get press physical corners. If you want to

1356
01:12:08,120 --> 01:12:11,559
Speaker 1: look for something on tape, don't look for man versus zone. Now,

1357
01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:13,400
Speaker 1: maybe you want to look at and how they handle

1358
01:12:13,880 --> 01:12:16,200
Speaker 1: zone passing off and all that kind of stuff, but

1359
01:12:16,280 --> 01:12:18,160
Speaker 1: look for guys that could be physical at the line

1360
01:12:18,160 --> 01:12:22,280
Speaker 1: of scrimmage and not lose later on in the rep Yeah.

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01:12:22,280 --> 01:12:25,400
Speaker 2: Absolutely, Yeah, that would be the best way to look at.

1362
01:12:25,439 --> 01:12:27,639
Speaker 1: Don't get in the minutia of like that's a zone defense,

1363
01:12:27,720 --> 01:12:29,599
Speaker 1: man defense three four four three.

1364
01:12:29,400 --> 01:12:30,960
Speaker 2: Don't get in the and all that.

1365
01:12:33,680 --> 01:12:40,240
Speaker 1: Will we draft an offensive line in the top one.

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01:12:40,040 --> 01:12:43,040
Speaker 2: Hundred, It's hard for me to say, so.

1367
01:12:43,920 --> 01:12:47,479
Speaker 1: I I wouldn't be rule it out in the third round,

1368
01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:51,840
Speaker 1: and I'm using only the spots that they currently have

1369
01:12:52,560 --> 01:12:54,920
Speaker 1: no trade back scenarios or anything like that, because they

1370
01:12:54,920 --> 01:12:55,960
Speaker 1: could just get to convoluted.

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01:12:56,240 --> 01:12:57,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, well it's you know.

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Speaker 1: We know what the true we know what the the

1373
01:12:59,360 --> 01:13:02,960
Speaker 1: current draft or set at. I would be hard pressed

1374
01:13:02,960 --> 01:13:06,559
Speaker 1: to think that the board falls in such a way

1375
01:13:06,720 --> 01:13:11,880
Speaker 1: that the best player in the first or second round

1376
01:13:12,680 --> 01:13:18,680
Speaker 1: is an offensive lineman. Could that happen in the third round? Probably? Absolutely.

1377
01:13:19,360 --> 01:13:22,519
Speaker 1: That is a lot more realistic of a round than

1378
01:13:22,520 --> 01:13:23,840
Speaker 1: it is in the first two. So I'm not going

1379
01:13:23,920 --> 01:13:27,439
Speaker 1: to entirely rule it out unless they don't have, like,

1380
01:13:27,560 --> 01:13:29,280
Speaker 1: I don't know what pick they actually have. Off the

1381
01:13:29,280 --> 01:13:31,519
Speaker 1: top of my head, that should be like three eighty

1382
01:13:31,680 --> 01:13:33,840
Speaker 1: or something like that. I don't know, three sixty something

1383
01:13:33,880 --> 01:13:37,479
Speaker 1: in the third or third round, sixty pick.

1384
01:13:39,120 --> 01:13:39,760
Speaker 2: Something like that.

1385
01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:42,360
Speaker 1: But so at the same time, the first two rounds

1386
01:13:42,360 --> 01:13:46,240
Speaker 1: could be very unless someone falls. I'm very hard pressed

1387
01:13:46,280 --> 01:13:47,960
Speaker 1: to think that the best person in the top of

1388
01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:52,439
Speaker 1: the second round, the best player available, is an offensive lineman.

1389
01:13:52,960 --> 01:13:59,080
Speaker 3: You might could still get, you know, depending on how

1390
01:13:59,120 --> 01:13:59,960
Speaker 3: they attack free agent.

1391
01:14:00,120 --> 01:14:03,200
Speaker 4: See, I don't know, you and I were.

1392
01:14:03,479 --> 01:14:05,720
Speaker 1: He wants to do the top four rounds. He must

1393
01:14:05,760 --> 01:14:08,120
Speaker 1: be just trying to angle for Jenny's dugger or something.

1394
01:14:08,200 --> 01:14:09,599
Speaker 4: Bust Is it busted? Yeah?

1395
01:14:09,640 --> 01:14:11,200
Speaker 3: I was about to bring up one of his boys

1396
01:14:11,200 --> 01:14:13,520
Speaker 3: because I'm like, well, he goes I should have specified

1397
01:14:13,520 --> 01:14:15,920
Speaker 3: the top four. Well that's way past the top one under,

1398
01:14:16,080 --> 01:14:17,840
Speaker 3: you know, I mean I can't remember who was the

1399
01:14:17,920 --> 01:14:21,360
Speaker 3: kicker and who was the who was the the offensive guard.

1400
01:14:21,400 --> 01:14:25,240
Speaker 3: But the Stevens Iowa player that's a guard. Yeah, I

1401
01:14:25,280 --> 01:14:26,040
Speaker 3: think it's boasted.

1402
01:14:26,160 --> 01:14:26,280
Speaker 1: Yea.

1403
01:14:26,360 --> 01:14:29,479
Speaker 4: It is like he's he's a guy that like you.

1404
01:14:29,479 --> 01:14:32,920
Speaker 3: And I talked about giving the reins to Jackson Slater,

1405
01:14:33,080 --> 01:14:34,880
Speaker 3: like just just name him your right guard.

1406
01:14:35,560 --> 01:14:36,240
Speaker 4: But if.

1407
01:14:37,640 --> 01:14:41,719
Speaker 3: You don't feel like he's your right guard of the now,

1408
01:14:42,200 --> 01:14:44,240
Speaker 3: maybe you could get your starting right guard in that

1409
01:14:44,280 --> 01:14:47,720
Speaker 3: third round. I also think, like the state of this

1410
01:14:47,840 --> 01:14:50,920
Speaker 3: center class, this might be, this might be spicy, but

1411
01:14:51,920 --> 01:14:54,479
Speaker 3: I would not be surprised if you could still get

1412
01:14:54,479 --> 01:14:57,360
Speaker 3: the best center in this draft class in the third round.

1413
01:14:58,200 --> 01:15:01,639
Speaker 3: And if that's a If that's the case, and you're

1414
01:15:01,680 --> 01:15:05,400
Speaker 3: looking at the Lloyd Cushionberry situation, who I think has

1415
01:15:05,400 --> 01:15:08,240
Speaker 3: played well enough to earn like keep the continuity together,

1416
01:15:08,320 --> 01:15:10,880
Speaker 3: like let's give this thing another go in twenty twenty

1417
01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:13,719
Speaker 3: six and see what happens. But if you are thinking

1418
01:15:13,760 --> 01:15:18,360
Speaker 3: about the future, that is a spot where you probably

1419
01:15:18,400 --> 01:15:22,360
Speaker 3: could take the next the air apparent to Lloyd Cushionberry

1420
01:15:23,120 --> 01:15:28,559
Speaker 3: and then thinking like about the offensive tackles, It's just

1421
01:15:29,280 --> 01:15:32,080
Speaker 3: they need a guy. I'm not gonna be surprised if

1422
01:15:32,080 --> 01:15:35,240
Speaker 3: they draft a guy on Day three, Demetrius crown Over,

1423
01:15:36,120 --> 01:15:39,760
Speaker 3: maybe in Alan Herron Austin Barber to be like a

1424
01:15:39,840 --> 01:15:44,120
Speaker 3: developmental guy. But it's it's not such a pressing need

1425
01:15:44,120 --> 01:15:47,920
Speaker 3: that they need it. And I think they've got so

1426
01:15:48,080 --> 01:15:52,040
Speaker 3: much work to do rebuilding this defense that they can't

1427
01:15:52,040 --> 01:15:53,759
Speaker 3: really afford to splurge right now.

1428
01:15:54,280 --> 01:15:56,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna save this one for next week. Bona, go

1429
01:15:56,160 --> 01:15:57,640
Speaker 1: ahead and put it on your radar for you to

1430
01:15:57,680 --> 01:16:00,920
Speaker 1: think about for the next week. If we don't get

1431
01:16:00,920 --> 01:16:03,960
Speaker 1: a number one wide receiver, did we waste Brian Dable

1432
01:16:04,080 --> 01:16:05,320
Speaker 1: as an offensive coordinator.

1433
01:16:05,600 --> 01:16:07,600
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go ahead and say we're not going to

1434
01:16:07,640 --> 01:16:08,920
Speaker 3: get a number one wide receiver.

1435
01:16:09,040 --> 01:16:11,479
Speaker 1: Well, we'll talk about that next week next week, and

1436
01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:14,559
Speaker 1: we're also yeah, we're also going to talk about, you know,

1437
01:16:14,640 --> 01:16:17,559
Speaker 1: more about Brian Dabele, the wide receivers and stuff like

1438
01:16:17,600 --> 01:16:22,160
Speaker 1: that next next Thursday as well. Other than that, anything

1439
01:16:22,200 --> 01:16:25,479
Speaker 1: that we didn't hit on in the Tavandre sweat four

1440
01:16:25,479 --> 01:16:29,840
Speaker 1: to three, Robert Sala Linebackers Draft prospect conversation.

1441
01:16:30,720 --> 01:16:32,599
Speaker 2: No, I think I got through all my notes, all right,

1442
01:16:32,640 --> 01:16:34,400
Speaker 2: I think I did. There we go. That will do

1443
01:16:34,439 --> 01:16:34,880
Speaker 2: it for us.

1444
01:16:35,400 --> 01:16:38,840
Speaker 1: This has been football and ifwards and you have just

1445
01:16:38,920 --> 01:16:39,759
Speaker 1: been theft.

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01:16:40,400 --> 01:16:52,200
Speaker 2: Yeah,