WEBVTT - Giants Trade Deadline Fallout: Blade Tidwell Debut, Logan Webb and the Team’s Future

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to murphin Markets on the Sports Leader streaming

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<v Speaker 2>I thought he settled in and he pitched really well.

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<v Speaker 2>It's it is two different mentalities. Those guys can speak

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<v Speaker 2>to it more intelligently than I can. But he's been

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit of both reliever and the true bulldog

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<v Speaker 2>comes out in him when he's got, you know, three

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<v Speaker 2>outs to go get as opposed of a runway of

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<v Speaker 2>maybe one hundred pitches. And to me, it was a

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<v Speaker 2>good mix. As the game went on, of he looked

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<v Speaker 2>like he was attacking and he had his intensity, but

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<v Speaker 2>he's also pitching really well. And then even towards the

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<v Speaker 2>end there where he's able to get out of some

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<v Speaker 2>damage against really good or prevent damage against some really

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<v Speaker 2>good hitters. He was kind of truly pitching a good

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<v Speaker 2>mix and good spotting up.

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<v Speaker 3>The voice a former Tennessee head baseball coach Tony Vaidel Little,

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<v Speaker 3>current skipper of the San Francisco Giant and the skipper

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<v Speaker 3>of our next guest, Blade Tidwell, who made his first

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<v Speaker 3>start as a member of the San Francisco Giants last

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<v Speaker 3>night out in Texas, taking some time out of his

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<v Speaker 3>schedule this morning. On the UMA Guest Line, Blade, want

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<v Speaker 3>to say good morning, Welcome to the Murph and Markey Show.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm Marcus Bouchet. John Dickinson is my partner this morning.

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<v Speaker 3>How are we doing today? Blade?

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<v Speaker 4>Oop?

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<v Speaker 5>Take two?

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<v Speaker 4>Blade?

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<v Speaker 5>What's going on?

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<v Speaker 4>Brother?

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<v Speaker 5>You with us this morning?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah? Can you hear me?

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, sir, we got you loud and clear. Blade Tidwell.

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<v Speaker 3>On the UMA guest Line, how you feeling this morning

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<v Speaker 3>after making your first start as a San Francisco Giant.

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<v Speaker 3>I know that you've had starts before in the big

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<v Speaker 3>leagues with the New York Mets, but last night first

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<v Speaker 3>time doing it in a Giants uniform after starting the

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<v Speaker 3>season in the bullpen. Your takeaways from last night's game, Blade, Yeah, I.

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<v Speaker 6>Thought it went well overall. I did a good job

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<v Speaker 6>battling After that first inning. I came out a little

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<v Speaker 6>bit shaky, which was not good for anybody. Kind of

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<v Speaker 6>costs the bullpen having to go out there and throw

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<v Speaker 6>four innings so they couldn't make it through six. But overall,

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<v Speaker 6>I'll take it.

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<v Speaker 7>What are the keys to adjusting when things get off

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<v Speaker 7>to a start that you know in the first inning,

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<v Speaker 7>that that, you know, maybe you don't like to to

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<v Speaker 7>sort of hold it together as you were able to

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<v Speaker 7>do their moving.

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<v Speaker 6>Forward, just come back in and kind of mentally reset.

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<v Speaker 6>I feel like, go out there and take it three

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<v Speaker 6>outs of the time as opposed to trying to. You're

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<v Speaker 6>not going to get those runs you gave up back,

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<v Speaker 6>so just make do with what you got.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, Blade, talk to us about the mentality going to

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<v Speaker 3>this game after starting off the season in the bullpen,

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<v Speaker 3>going back down to trip away, stretching out, then coming

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<v Speaker 3>back as a starter. I know that's your first start

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<v Speaker 3>as a member in the Giants organization. It's also the

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<v Speaker 3>first time you've started for Tony Vatello and Frank Anderson

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<v Speaker 3>since your days at Tennessee. Was there maybe a feeling

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<v Speaker 3>of comfort or familiarity going back into the duga after

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<v Speaker 3>the first inning, being able to talk to Tony.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, it's kind of surreal. You know, that's where I

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<v Speaker 6>started playing competitive baseball was at Tennessee, not including high school.

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<v Speaker 6>So it's a surreal moment to be in the major

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<v Speaker 6>leagues and playing for those guys again, and it does

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<v Speaker 6>provide you with some comfort.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, what were some of those pregame conversations like with

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<v Speaker 3>Tony Vitello and Frank Anderson one of your pitching coaches,

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<v Speaker 3>to guys that you're very familiar with, does it kind

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<v Speaker 3>of cool you down and maybe ease you into the

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<v Speaker 3>moment a little bit.

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<v Speaker 6>I actually don't talk a whole lot on the day

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<v Speaker 6>I've pitched, so there wasn't a whole lot of conversations.

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<v Speaker 7>Go what what's the biggest adjustment in terms of going

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<v Speaker 7>from being a reliever to being a starter, you know,

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<v Speaker 7>in terms of whether it's pitch selection or repertoire or

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<v Speaker 7>building your arm back up, or you know, how have

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<v Speaker 7>you sort of navigated that this year?

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<v Speaker 6>It's all been new to me because I've never really

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<v Speaker 6>relieved until this year.

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<v Speaker 3>So sounds like Blade might have dropped out for a

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<v Speaker 3>quick second. We will reconnect on the UMA guest line

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<v Speaker 3>see if John Joe Curley can make the connection with

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<v Speaker 3>Walter scrambling behind the scenes, throwing down some signs. Feels

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<v Speaker 3>like the PitchCom has gone out for a pitch or

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<v Speaker 3>two here as we try to reconnect with Blade, tedwell,

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<v Speaker 3>but Blade tell us about some of those differences, the

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<v Speaker 3>mentality versus being a bullpen arm versus coming into the

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<v Speaker 3>starting rotation.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, they're a little bit different. It's new ground for me.

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<v Speaker 6>I never relieved until this year. But going out there

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<v Speaker 6>in the bullpen, you know, you're only gonna have a

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<v Speaker 6>limited amount of pitches, so you can kind of let

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<v Speaker 6>it all eat starter. You have to be a little

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<v Speaker 6>bit more precise, think a little bit more, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>and it's just a different There are two different things,

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<v Speaker 6>and I enjoyed doing both.

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<v Speaker 3>Actually, yeah, two totally different approaches in two different ways.

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<v Speaker 3>That you got to get ready for a game. When

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<v Speaker 3>you're in the bullpen, you got to get up and

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<v Speaker 3>get hot.

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<v Speaker 5>Talk.

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<v Speaker 3>Take us through your game day routine. How do you

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<v Speaker 3>like to prep for a start? Blade?

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<v Speaker 6>Uh, usually get to the field and eat and then

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<v Speaker 6>I put my headphone.

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<v Speaker 3>Sounds like those headphones might have dropped off once again.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's see if we can make this connection. J D.

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<v Speaker 3>If you had to pitch a game, what would be

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<v Speaker 3>your pre game mil?

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<v Speaker 6>Well?

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<v Speaker 3>Are you are you a PEB and J kind of guy?

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<v Speaker 3>Load up on pasta, litt up on some carbs.

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<v Speaker 5>I am always on a high carb diet, so that

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<v Speaker 5>would not change.

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<v Speaker 7>That would not change if I were a professional athlete

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<v Speaker 7>at a at a pitcher, I would also be a

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<v Speaker 7>don't talk.

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<v Speaker 5>To be guy.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it seems like you definitely want to zone out

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<v Speaker 3>a little bit those guys that are don't talk to

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<v Speaker 3>me guys. Yeah, well, we'll talk to us about some

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<v Speaker 3>of that mentality when you're on the bump. Is it

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<v Speaker 3>more of a I'm just here to attack the zone.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't care who's standing in the box. Why do

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<v Speaker 3>you think you have that mentality where you do want

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<v Speaker 3>to be kind of left on an island on game day? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 6>I try to balance it, you know, because I can

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<v Speaker 6>be a little bit over aggressive at times, so I

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<v Speaker 6>actually have to think through a little bit like what

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<v Speaker 6>pitch did I just throw? How did the hitter react

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<v Speaker 6>to that? But overall, I do would want to be

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<v Speaker 6>on the hunt every pitch, attack and the hitter.

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<v Speaker 7>What's different about the pitching philosophy overall with the Giants

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<v Speaker 7>maybe versus you know, the Mets organization versus maybe the

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<v Speaker 7>way things were at Tennessee even under Tony Vitello.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, I really didn't know a whole lot about baseball

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<v Speaker 6>when I was at Tennessee, so I was just out

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<v Speaker 6>there competing. And then now obviously I know a lot.

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<v Speaker 3>Blade Tidwell is the voicy here this morning, in and

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<v Speaker 3>out on the connection on the Umaga line. We'll try

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<v Speaker 3>to connect one more time with Blade, as he is

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<v Speaker 3>kind enough to give us a few minutes out in

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<v Speaker 3>Texas this morning, talking about some of those differences between

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<v Speaker 3>pitching out of the bullpen, pitching and the starting rotation,

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<v Speaker 3>and the difference between pitching in different locations. To your point,

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<v Speaker 3>JD pitching at Tennessee, pitching for the New York Mets,

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<v Speaker 3>and then last year, almost a year ago to the day,

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<v Speaker 3>comes over in the Tyler Rogers trade. Blade, I think

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<v Speaker 3>we have you back on the UMA guess on this morning.

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<v Speaker 3>We were just talking about how it's nearly a one

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<v Speaker 3>year anniversary since you were traded from the New York

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<v Speaker 3>Mets to the San Francisco Giants last year.

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<v Speaker 5>Take us through that experience.

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<v Speaker 3>What was like for you to be traded in your

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<v Speaker 3>film one year later out from the trade deadline.

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<v Speaker 7>It was.

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<v Speaker 6>Kind of wild, but the Giants did a great job

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<v Speaker 6>of making me feel comfortable from the get go, and

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<v Speaker 6>they actually gave me an extra day to get to

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<v Speaker 6>the affiliate, so they made the transition.

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<v Speaker 3>Blade, I appreciate you coming on with this morning sounds

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<v Speaker 3>like Randam's connection issues. Maybe we'll take a rain check

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<v Speaker 3>on this one, man. I wanted to get a full

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<v Speaker 3>breakdown of Blade Tidwell's pitching. Arsenal went five innings last night,

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<v Speaker 3>did not get the win as the Giants battled back

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<v Speaker 3>multiple times in last night's game. I think there were

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<v Speaker 3>some real flashes in last night's game, some really good

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<v Speaker 3>moments for guys like Basab hitting another home run, Bryce

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<v Speaker 3>Odridge coming off the bench. Blade Tidwell was one of

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<v Speaker 3>those standouts from last night.

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<v Speaker 5>JD.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, and somebody that's going to have an opportunity right

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<v Speaker 7>at the top of the list with a few spots

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<v Speaker 7>in the rotation currently open for twenty twenty seven. And

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<v Speaker 7>I you know, we talked about it with Kruco. Just

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<v Speaker 7>the way that he battled and kind of laid it

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<v Speaker 7>all out despite the game not getting off to maybe

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<v Speaker 7>the start that he wanted, I think was impressive. And

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<v Speaker 7>I think, you know, he's somebody that you definitely want

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<v Speaker 7>to see more from here as.

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<v Speaker 5>We move toward the end of the year.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, a guy that can battle through a little adversity

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<v Speaker 3>like trying to make a connection on the Martron Market

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<v Speaker 3>Show this morning, Man, Walter, I had some good questions

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<v Speaker 3>lined up too. Fun fact, did you know that Blade's

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<v Speaker 3>real name is actually Jansen spelt j A n z

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<v Speaker 3>E N. I gotta get the origin story. But sounds

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<v Speaker 3>like we don't have the connection anywhere, Walter, do we.

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<v Speaker 5>No, we don't.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we're we're gonna have the reschedule that.

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<v Speaker 7>Ah.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I apologize for the inconvenience, but once again, thank

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<v Speaker 3>you for Blade for taking a few minutes out of

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<v Speaker 3>your schedule. I'm sure he's gonna be a pretty busy

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<v Speaker 3>guy over the next couple of weeks.

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<v Speaker 5>Two.

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<v Speaker 3>Middle name Blade, Yeah, middle name Blade, first name Jansen.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think that's a great I don't think I've

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<v Speaker 3>ever met a Jansen in my life. Before you ever

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<v Speaker 3>met a Blade. No, but at least I've seen a

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<v Speaker 3>movie that was titled Blade. More familiar. But that's a

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<v Speaker 3>pretty cool nickname. It is one Now, I don't know

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<v Speaker 3>bal me Blazer. No, that's a different scene, that's a

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<v Speaker 3>different reference. Maybe we should just pull the plug on

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<v Speaker 3>this entire segment that was Blade tdwell in in l

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<v Speaker 3>on the O my guest line this morning, sounds like

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<v Speaker 3>we might need to make a better connection next time

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<v Speaker 3>out in Texas, but we will connect with the Giants

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<v Speaker 3>pregame show this morning at ten thirty five am.

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<v Speaker 5>JD myself will.

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<v Speaker 3>Take you all the way up to the award winning

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<v Speaker 3>Diamond notes and the first pitch in Giants pregame starting

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<v Speaker 3>at ten thirty five. We'll take a quick break, work

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<v Speaker 3>on our phone connections and continue more Giants reaction, maybe

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<v Speaker 3>a little forty nine er talk and Warriors talk next

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<v Speaker 3>on The Sports Leader K andbr.

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<v Speaker 1>The Sports Leader. All right, everyone, now back to murphin

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<v Speaker 1>Marcus on The Sports Leader, streaming live on the Sports

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<v Speaker 8>Woohoo.

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<v Speaker 3>Nothing like live radio on fifty thousand watts. It is

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<v Speaker 3>the Murph and Marcus Show on a Wednesday morning.

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<v Speaker 5>Murph smartly took three days of vacation.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sure he's got a better connection on the East

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<v Speaker 3>Coast than what we just have with Blade Tidwell. Our

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<v Speaker 3>apologies for not making the connection, but appreciate Blade Tidwell

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<v Speaker 3>trying to take some time out of his schedule to

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<v Speaker 3>join us this morning.

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<v Speaker 5>It's pretty crazy, JD.

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<v Speaker 3>In the year twenty twenty six, we just had a

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<v Speaker 3>full interview yesterday with Tim Flannery, who literally drove to

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<v Speaker 3>a top of a mountain to have a conversation with

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<v Speaker 3>Murph and myself about the Wall of Fame ceremony going

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<v Speaker 3>on this weekend. But we can't make a connection out

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<v Speaker 3>on the field at Outland, Texas. Drop the ball on

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<v Speaker 3>that one. But hey, Live Radio, we're giving it our

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<v Speaker 3>best shot.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 7>We are all beholden to modern technology at every level,

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<v Speaker 7>and sometimes it does boggle the mind how cell phones

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<v Speaker 7>still in certain areas, even in twenty twenty six, can

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<v Speaker 7>be as unreliable as that one wound up being. It

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<v Speaker 7>sometimes just part of the deal, as Zakruco would say,

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<v Speaker 7>it's say it's a big league hang with him.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that was another haha of a Murph and Marks interview.

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<v Speaker 3>But regardless, if we're working through some adversity in the

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<v Speaker 3>first interview with Blade Sidwell, or it was Blade Tidwell

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<v Speaker 3>yesterday working through some adversity in the first inning, I

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<v Speaker 3>thought it was a nice showcase in Blade Tidwell's first

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<v Speaker 3>career start as a member of the San Francisco Giants

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<v Speaker 3>to get through that first inning after thirty two pitches,

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<v Speaker 3>after some tough look to lock back in give you

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<v Speaker 3>five innings. Sounded like he was a bit disappointed that

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<v Speaker 3>he did not get to the sixth inning and had

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<v Speaker 3>to put a little extra pressure on the Giants bullpen,

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<v Speaker 3>a Giants bullpen that kept him in this game until,

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<v Speaker 3>of course, they were walked off in the ninth inning.

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<v Speaker 3>But overall, big picture, I think Blade Tidwell's performance yesterday

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<v Speaker 3>and the openings in the rotation after the trade deadline

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<v Speaker 3>shows us that we're going to see a few more

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<v Speaker 3>opportunities down the road for Blade didwell.

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<v Speaker 7>I think you could see from the way that he

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<v Speaker 7>pitched last night why the Giants like him in terms

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<v Speaker 7>of his makeup, and I think in the short time

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<v Speaker 7>that we were able to talk to him, I think

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<v Speaker 7>you could tell he does fit the mold of that

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<v Speaker 7>more serious, focused, wants to hone in and be a bulldog,

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<v Speaker 7>you know, get deep in the game type of a

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<v Speaker 7>pitcher that, again the Giants want, led by Logan Webb,

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<v Speaker 7>to be a part of their future pitching da as

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<v Speaker 7>they look to kind of revamp the whole pitching within

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<v Speaker 7>the organization and have done that here over the last month.

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<v Speaker 3>Really yeah, and we'll see how big of a part

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<v Speaker 3>of the plan he is moving forward and part of

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<v Speaker 3>the bus or posey plan. Because, for those of you

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<v Speaker 3>who are not aware, Blade Tidwell, as we talked about,

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<v Speaker 3>was traded over nearly a year ago from the New

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<v Speaker 3>York Mets in the Tyler Rogers trade. So as we're

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<v Speaker 3>sitting here kind of recapping all the pitching prospects that

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<v Speaker 3>the Giants just got earlier this week, this is a

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<v Speaker 3>guy that you can't forget about, a guy that's going

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<v Speaker 3>to get an opportunity, regardless if it's in the starting rotation,

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<v Speaker 3>maybe even as a bullpen arm. This is a guy

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<v Speaker 3>that got his first save of his career in his

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<v Speaker 3>first appearance by the Giants this year, had that rare

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<v Speaker 3>three inning save, showed a little bit of higher velocity

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<v Speaker 3>earlier this year when he's coming out of the bullpen,

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<v Speaker 3>showed some of those flashes of ninety six ninety seven,

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<v Speaker 3>ninety eight miles per hour. Yesterday mix it into two

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<v Speaker 3>seam four scene was ninety one ninety two getting him

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<v Speaker 3>to ninety four ninety five. I thought he showed a

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<v Speaker 3>a very nice slider slash sweeper.

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<v Speaker 5>With some of that movement.

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<v Speaker 3>Had nine whiffs on the day, ended up with three strikeouts,

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<v Speaker 3>and is also mixing it a new change up into

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<v Speaker 3>his arsenal as well. So something to keep an eye

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<v Speaker 3>on as we move forward with all these Giants top

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<v Speaker 3>pitching prospects. Another one making his debut today, Carson Wizenheim.

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<v Speaker 5>Not his debut. What am I talking about, you fool?

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<v Speaker 3>I've actually been at the ballpark to see the whiz

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<v Speaker 3>kid on the bubb Hope kicking it off today ten

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<v Speaker 3>thirty five pregame eleven thirty five first pitch. But let's

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<v Speaker 3>talk about some of those prospects that the Giants just

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<v Speaker 3>got at this year's trade deadline.

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<v Speaker 5>Coming up next, we will review.

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<v Speaker 3>Some of the Buster Posey trades, what they plan on doing,

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<v Speaker 3>and what the future holds for the San Francisco Giants.

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<v Speaker 5>We'll do that next on The Sports Leader, KNBRB Sports Leader.

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to murphin markets on the Sports Leader, streaming

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<v Speaker 1>live on the sports Leader dot com and KNBR the

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 8>I guess you can characterize it with how you want.

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<v Speaker 8>I wouldn't necessarily say a rebuild. I mean, obviously we

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<v Speaker 8>moved some some six major league players off of our

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<v Speaker 8>roster today. I guess the messages is we're not satisfied

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<v Speaker 8>with the way that we've played this year in the

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<v Speaker 8>last few years, and we're trying everything we can to

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<v Speaker 8>to continue to build a product that that we can

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<v Speaker 8>all be, you know, excited to come and watch. And

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<v Speaker 8>that was really the goal. And this is can we

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<v Speaker 8>even if we have to subtract a little bit now,

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<v Speaker 8>can we potentially add some players that we think our

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<v Speaker 8>fans are going to be excited about and hopefully wear

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<v Speaker 8>a Giant's uniform for a long time.

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<v Speaker 3>Buster Posey earlier this week after the trade deadline, talking

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<v Speaker 3>about whether or not you want to call this a rebuild,

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<v Speaker 3>a retooling, a reshuffling of the major league roster and

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<v Speaker 3>the minor league organization as well. Buster Posey phone line

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<v Speaker 3>dependent will join us tomorrow morning at seven thirty for

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<v Speaker 3>the Giants Executive Show, so JD and myself will have

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<v Speaker 3>plenty of opportunities to ask Buster Posey about each and

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<v Speaker 3>every one of these moves that he made on Monday.

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<v Speaker 3>Even going back to Sunday night, with Tyler Mawley being

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<v Speaker 3>the first trade piece traded away to the Atlanta Braves,

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<v Speaker 3>Giants end up trading away six active players off the

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<v Speaker 3>major league roster. This comes one year after they decided

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<v Speaker 3>to trade away three different pieces off the major league

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<v Speaker 3>roster last year. JD Murph and I were discussing this earlier.

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<v Speaker 3>I know you're a diehard Giants fan, born and raised.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think I've ever seen a sell off this

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<v Speaker 3>big in Giants' history, Like, even beyond the prospects that

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<v Speaker 3>they got back, I think the messaging might even be

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<v Speaker 3>bigger of the Giants finally putting their foot down and

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<v Speaker 3>saying we're going in a certain dire.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I think so, although I do still think they're

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<v Speaker 7>trying to have their cake and eat it too a

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<v Speaker 7>little bit because it doesn't feel I think, because there

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<v Speaker 7>are still many veterans still on the roster and projected

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<v Speaker 7>to be everyday players Logan Web obviously still at the

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<v Speaker 7>front of the rotation.

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<v Speaker 5>It still doesn't feel like this is a.

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<v Speaker 7>Rebuild to me as much as it really is for

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<v Speaker 7>you three years down the line. But I just keep

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<v Speaker 7>coming back to the fact that the Giant's ultimate goal

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<v Speaker 7>is going to be to try to cobble together a

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<v Speaker 7>team that can compete and contend in twenty twenty seven,

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<v Speaker 7>and maybe not. Maybe the nature of what twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 7>seven is it means you ride it out if it's

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<v Speaker 7>a one hundred game season or an eighty game season

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<v Speaker 7>or something, or even no season, shudder to think about that.

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<v Speaker 5>But if it wound up being.

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<v Speaker 7>A shorter season, maybe they would be more inclined to

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<v Speaker 7>just ride out some of the open spots with younger

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<v Speaker 7>players and then just take another year of the veteran

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<v Speaker 7>players that in some ways they're stuck with and just

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<v Speaker 7>get closer at that point to the next wave that

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<v Speaker 7>would be upcoming. Because I do think some of these

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<v Speaker 7>guys are going to start to be here in twenty

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<v Speaker 7>eight and then more in twenty nine, and it feels

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<v Speaker 7>like twenty nine, thirty and beyond that's when a lot

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<v Speaker 7>of these guys obviously would would project to be up.

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<v Speaker 7>So I think they're leaving themselves a little bit of

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<v Speaker 7>flexibility as to the path at which they look to

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<v Speaker 7>choose for twenty twenty seven based on what twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 7>seven looks like overall in Major League Baseball.

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<v Speaker 5>But I don't know.

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<v Speaker 7>I just I'm left still feeling like, yes, they did

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<v Speaker 7>what they could, but they could have really looked to

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<v Speaker 7>do more. And I don't think I would have viewed

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<v Speaker 7>it negatively had they looked to do more. But they

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<v Speaker 7>still don't want the perception attached to them of what

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<v Speaker 7>trading a logan web trading at jung Hulei potentially would

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<v Speaker 7>have look like we all know what it would look

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<v Speaker 7>like if you trade Devers or a dabis or chat

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<v Speaker 7>then right like that.

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<v Speaker 5>That's again those are obvious ones.

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<v Speaker 7>But they didn't draw the line at you know, the

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<v Speaker 7>player in my opinion, that would have netted by far

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<v Speaker 7>the most, which is which is web and and so

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<v Speaker 7>I again, I understand why they why they didn't look

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<v Speaker 7>to make that move completely. We've we've well documented that,

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<v Speaker 7>but there is still a notion of sort of keeping

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<v Speaker 7>appearances up on the one end of competing in veteran

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<v Speaker 7>laden while also on the back end really trying.

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<v Speaker 5>To do the do the rebuilding.

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<v Speaker 3>And we know that appearance matters to this organization because

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<v Speaker 3>as bad as this team has been all season long,

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<v Speaker 3>with the record reflecting that they're still one of the

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<v Speaker 3>top ballparks in the country when it comes to attendance,

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<v Speaker 3>there's still people showing up. And I would say even

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<v Speaker 3>the attendance numbers are higher this year than in previous seasons,

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<v Speaker 3>where maybe you're getting a better product on the field,

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<v Speaker 3>but there wasn't that name recognition from the fan base. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>the question is how important is name recognition. Is it

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<v Speaker 3>more important for selling tickets or is it more important

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<v Speaker 3>for winning ball games? Bus or Posey tried to do both.

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<v Speaker 3>He tried to bring in guys that do have name recognition.

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<v Speaker 3>Willie Damis, as many warts and flaws as he has,

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<v Speaker 3>he was the best available shortstop in that offseason. So

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<v Speaker 3>he went out and gave out the biggest contract in Giants' history,

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<v Speaker 3>a contract that they might regret now just a few

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<v Speaker 3>years into it. But still he went out and brought

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<v Speaker 3>it in a name, and I would say the first

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<v Speaker 3>couple months, the first year, even after William Domus kind

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<v Speaker 3>of got through that slow streak last year, he turned

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<v Speaker 3>into kind of a Giants favorite. I'd said the same

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<v Speaker 3>thing about Jong Ho Lee, who has dealt with some issues,

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<v Speaker 3>He's turned into a Giants favorite. They made a blockbuster

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<v Speaker 3>trade which Giants fans were begging for, to bring in

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<v Speaker 3>Rafael Devers. That's a box office move that sells tickets.

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<v Speaker 3>Now they're still stuck with all these players, they'll be

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<v Speaker 3>trying to compete. They'll still have the luxury of selling tickets.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the problem is, I think at the end of

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<v Speaker 3>the day, Giants fans want to see you win games.

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<v Speaker 3>They're not concerned with their ticket sales, and you know,

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<v Speaker 3>somewhat breaking even. I'm trying to break even. I'm trying

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<v Speaker 3>to break a five hundred record. I'm trying to get

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<v Speaker 3>back to the postseason. The question is can they build

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<v Speaker 3>around these pieces, Can they fill in the rest of

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<v Speaker 3>the roster between the contracts that they are stuck.

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<v Speaker 7>With that's the level at which they want to go

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<v Speaker 7>veteran at some of those spots I think is the

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<v Speaker 7>biggest question mark in the offseason. I'm also curious, I

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<v Speaker 7>want to get your thoughts on this, how you think

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<v Speaker 7>it's going to work with Tony Vatello, because the other

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<v Speaker 7>shift has been, well, Tony's built to manage young guys.

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<v Speaker 5>It's been a nice.

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<v Speaker 7>Little deflection pivot toward the complete opposite of what the

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<v Speaker 7>original goal was, which is, hey, Tony's going to come

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<v Speaker 7>in and invigorate this veteran laden team on the margins,

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<v Speaker 7>to get this team closer to the five hundred drek

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<v Speaker 7>that they've been essentially for the last four years coming

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<v Speaker 7>into this year.

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<v Speaker 5>That failed for a.

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<v Speaker 7>Lot of reasons, which are not all or even many

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<v Speaker 7>most attached to Tony Vitello in fairness. But on the

0:23:13.080 --> 0:23:16.760
<v Speaker 7>one hand, again there's the appearance of, hey, this is

0:23:16.800 --> 0:23:18.800
<v Speaker 7>a young team now, and Tony's going to manage all

0:23:18.800 --> 0:23:21.560
<v Speaker 7>these young guys and this is what he's equipped to do,

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<v Speaker 7>and you're trying to reframe I think his security on

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<v Speaker 7>a certain level. Well, at the same time, you're still

0:23:30.040 --> 0:23:32.840
<v Speaker 7>going to have a lot of veterans that are projected

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<v Speaker 7>to be, and so how are they going to feel

0:23:34.840 --> 0:23:38.200
<v Speaker 7>about this shift, even though they're going to be well

0:23:38.280 --> 0:23:42.600
<v Speaker 7>paid toward an emphasis on younger players. I think in

0:23:42.680 --> 0:23:46.680
<v Speaker 7>some ways the onus is going to be on Vitello,

0:23:46.800 --> 0:23:49.919
<v Speaker 7>maybe even more than before, to kind of blend it

0:23:49.960 --> 0:23:52.959
<v Speaker 7>all together and keep everybody harmonious.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I think theoretically it makes sense that Tony would have

0:23:56.520 --> 0:24:00.960
<v Speaker 3>success with younger players because of his personality, because of

0:24:01.000 --> 0:24:03.760
<v Speaker 3>how much success he had at Tennessee winning ball games

0:24:04.080 --> 0:24:07.120
<v Speaker 3>and as a recruiter. But I still think there's questions

0:24:07.160 --> 0:24:10.800
<v Speaker 3>moving forward when it comes to credibility, because, yeah, it's

0:24:10.880 --> 0:24:13.439
<v Speaker 3>nice when you have Blade Tidwell and Drew Gilbert and

0:24:13.480 --> 0:24:16.160
<v Speaker 3>Gavin Keelan in the system, all guys that you coach

0:24:16.200 --> 0:24:19.240
<v Speaker 3>at Tennessee, you have their respect. Now, this was a

0:24:19.320 --> 0:24:21.600
<v Speaker 3>question coming into the season when it came to veterans.

0:24:21.800 --> 0:24:24.359
<v Speaker 3>Of course, we had the Rafael Devers situation with the

0:24:24.359 --> 0:24:27.240
<v Speaker 3>finger wag in Tampa Bay. There's been a couple other

0:24:27.600 --> 0:24:31.000
<v Speaker 3>cases where maybe veteran players don't respect him as much.

0:24:31.040 --> 0:24:33.840
<v Speaker 3>But my counter argument would be a lot of these

0:24:33.920 --> 0:24:36.240
<v Speaker 3>rookies who are now making their debut have rode the

0:24:36.240 --> 0:24:38.680
<v Speaker 3>bus in the minor leagues. They've done stuff that Tony

0:24:38.760 --> 0:24:42.080
<v Speaker 3>Vitello have not done. Now, that's a fair question to ask.

0:24:42.280 --> 0:24:44.360
<v Speaker 3>It was a fair question to ask nearly a year

0:24:44.359 --> 0:24:47.080
<v Speaker 3>ago when they made the announcement that Tony Vitello would

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<v Speaker 3>be the next manager of the San Francisco Giants.

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<v Speaker 5>And that's got to be.

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<v Speaker 3>A part of the plan, a part of the learning process,

0:24:53.320 --> 0:24:55.560
<v Speaker 3>and Tony Vitello's gonna be able to adjust, or he

0:24:55.600 --> 0:24:58.280
<v Speaker 3>should be able to adjust. I really don't care about

0:24:58.280 --> 0:25:00.359
<v Speaker 3>the age of the players. Tony Vitello has got to

0:25:00.400 --> 0:25:03.000
<v Speaker 3>be a good manager, regardless if he's coaching guys in

0:25:03.040 --> 0:25:05.639
<v Speaker 3>their thirties or coaching guys in the twenties, because at

0:25:05.640 --> 0:25:07.760
<v Speaker 3>the end of the day, he's the one pressing the buttons,

0:25:07.840 --> 0:25:09.720
<v Speaker 3>he's the one making the calls, he's the one putting

0:25:09.720 --> 0:25:10.280
<v Speaker 3>together the lineup.

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<v Speaker 5>How do you define good manager, Bruce.

0:25:13.480 --> 0:25:16.719
<v Speaker 3>Bochee, No, No, I'm riffing obviously.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah. I mean it comes down to the in game decisions.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's a lot tougher to make these decisions at

0:25:24.119 --> 0:25:27.520
<v Speaker 3>the big league level than at the college level, because

0:25:27.640 --> 0:25:31.320
<v Speaker 3>when you're dealing with the college schedule, you got your Friday, Saturday,

0:25:31.520 --> 0:25:35.000
<v Speaker 3>Sunday starter, you've got all your bullpen arms lined up.

0:25:35.280 --> 0:25:38.720
<v Speaker 3>They can maybe pitch once twice, maybe three times in

0:25:38.800 --> 0:25:41.440
<v Speaker 3>a three game weekend series. We saw earlier this year

0:25:41.840 --> 0:25:44.720
<v Speaker 3>there were multiple times where Tony's running out bullpen arms

0:25:44.760 --> 0:25:47.640
<v Speaker 3>two three days in a row. Keaton wins a great example,

0:25:47.760 --> 0:25:50.320
<v Speaker 3>three straight games with more than twenty pitches. Next thing

0:25:50.320 --> 0:25:52.520
<v Speaker 3>you know, he's on the il. So to me, maybe

0:25:52.520 --> 0:25:55.520
<v Speaker 3>that's a bit of mismanagement when you're looking at him

0:25:55.560 --> 0:25:59.240
<v Speaker 3>trying to coach a week long series or should I

0:25:59.240 --> 0:26:01.520
<v Speaker 3>say five and six in a week sure versus three

0:26:01.600 --> 0:26:04.520
<v Speaker 3>games over a weekend, Like those are just maybe some

0:26:04.560 --> 0:26:07.480
<v Speaker 3>of the smaller nuances when it comes to managing a

0:26:07.520 --> 0:26:09.560
<v Speaker 3>big league team compared to managing a college.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, and we've seen him put who you would think

0:26:11.880 --> 0:26:14.879
<v Speaker 7>or maybe some of the higher leverage arms in some

0:26:15.800 --> 0:26:19.800
<v Speaker 7>different situations, like we've seen like Caleb Killian had had

0:26:19.800 --> 0:26:22.520
<v Speaker 7>been the closer and then he didn't perform well in

0:26:22.520 --> 0:26:25.040
<v Speaker 7>the closer role, but actually had been pretty good in

0:26:25.440 --> 0:26:28.680
<v Speaker 7>setup roles. But then he's coming into games when you're

0:26:28.720 --> 0:26:31.359
<v Speaker 7>down five to one on a you know, on a

0:26:31.440 --> 0:26:33.440
<v Speaker 7>random day, and then it's like, well, wait a minute,

0:26:33.480 --> 0:26:35.040
<v Speaker 7>you might need him the next day when you're ahead

0:26:35.320 --> 0:26:36.480
<v Speaker 7>four to two and the seventh.

0:26:36.560 --> 0:26:38.439
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, if he's a closer, why is he pitching in

0:26:38.440 --> 0:26:41.000
<v Speaker 3>a non safe situation or just but or even just

0:26:41.080 --> 0:26:42.960
<v Speaker 3>if he's one of your setup guys that you want

0:26:42.960 --> 0:26:45.959
<v Speaker 3>to pitch primarily in games where you're ahead, why are

0:26:46.000 --> 0:26:48.080
<v Speaker 3>you bringing him in when you're down five to one

0:26:48.640 --> 0:26:50.720
<v Speaker 3>at all, just to get through an inning that you

0:26:50.880 --> 0:26:53.240
<v Speaker 3>would be obviously a role for somebody that's maybe down

0:26:53.280 --> 0:26:54.240
<v Speaker 3>more on the pecking order.

0:26:54.240 --> 0:26:57.800
<v Speaker 7>That that's interesting because I think I actually think it's

0:26:58.240 --> 0:27:01.880
<v Speaker 7>for this year. It's not even about in game decisions,

0:27:02.000 --> 0:27:05.720
<v Speaker 7>because it's hard to say in game decisions can be

0:27:06.320 --> 0:27:09.280
<v Speaker 7>how you grade him when winning and losing is really

0:27:09.320 --> 0:27:12.680
<v Speaker 7>not a part of the part of the equation anymore.

0:27:12.760 --> 0:27:15.679
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And circling back to the bigger issue of it

0:27:15.760 --> 0:27:18.280
<v Speaker 3>being tough for Tony Vattelo to make those decisions of

0:27:18.320 --> 0:27:21.000
<v Speaker 3>the bullpen with the bullpen that was presented to him

0:27:21.000 --> 0:27:22.040
<v Speaker 3>before the season started.

0:27:22.160 --> 0:27:26.280
<v Speaker 7>Also fair, also fair, So I think it's tricky, it's

0:27:26.320 --> 0:27:30.639
<v Speaker 7>it's there is gonna be this sort of I don't know, mythical,

0:27:31.880 --> 0:27:38.240
<v Speaker 7>uh subjective evaluation of barring them just winning a lot

0:27:38.280 --> 0:27:41.399
<v Speaker 7>of games, and looking like a completely different team being

0:27:41.440 --> 0:27:44.400
<v Speaker 7>more you know, led by some of these younger players

0:27:44.400 --> 0:27:48.399
<v Speaker 7>as they get more opportunities, which I think we've we've seen,

0:27:48.680 --> 0:27:51.040
<v Speaker 7>you know, even in this series already through two games,

0:27:51.040 --> 0:27:52.919
<v Speaker 7>it's like it's probably just you know, they're gonna win some,

0:27:52.920 --> 0:27:54.640
<v Speaker 7>they're gonna lose some, They're probably gonna lose more, they're

0:27:54.640 --> 0:27:57.760
<v Speaker 7>gonna win, and they would project to be less talented

0:27:57.800 --> 0:27:59.080
<v Speaker 7>between now and the end of the season.

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<v Speaker 5>So I think it's interesting.

0:28:01.840 --> 0:28:04.920
<v Speaker 7>But I think it's interesting how he gets evaluated because

0:28:05.119 --> 0:28:09.760
<v Speaker 7>I think the shift in the narrative, so to speak,

0:28:09.760 --> 0:28:14.560
<v Speaker 7>has been well, this buys him some time and buys

0:28:14.640 --> 0:28:20.000
<v Speaker 7>him some security because now winning isn't important and it's

0:28:20.080 --> 0:28:23.520
<v Speaker 7>more about development and things that are I think a

0:28:23.520 --> 0:28:27.639
<v Speaker 7>little bit more ambiguous to be able to determine on

0:28:27.720 --> 0:28:28.600
<v Speaker 7>a losing team.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, because I think the remaining games this season is

0:28:32.320 --> 0:28:35.080
<v Speaker 3>not only about the development of some of the younger players,

0:28:35.200 --> 0:28:38.680
<v Speaker 3>but also the development of Tony Vitello. And I'm looking

0:28:38.840 --> 0:28:41.960
<v Speaker 3>to see him maybe interact more with the Bruce Bochie,

0:28:41.960 --> 0:28:44.960
<v Speaker 3>a Dusty Baker guys out around the organization, Ron Washington

0:28:45.040 --> 0:28:48.239
<v Speaker 3>in the dugout, like maybe he can develop as a

0:28:48.360 --> 0:28:51.240
<v Speaker 3>manager as well as some of these players. Definitely a

0:28:51.280 --> 0:28:53.280
<v Speaker 3>storyline that we will keep an eye on moving forward

0:28:53.320 --> 0:28:55.560
<v Speaker 3>as we get closer and closer. The first pitch today

0:28:55.640 --> 0:28:59.320
<v Speaker 3>at eleven thirty five, Tony Vitello did announce that Carson

0:28:59.360 --> 0:29:02.520
<v Speaker 3>wasn't an is starting today. So on the other side,

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<v Speaker 3>we will get you our Stanford Health update of the

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<v Speaker 3>day and we will continue to prep you for today's

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<v Speaker 4>First pitch is hit toward left down the line.

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<v Speaker 3>It's deep paid.

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<v Speaker 4>That baby is gone. This game is tied at two

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<v Speaker 4>oh slaves bus save on the first pitch he sees

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<v Speaker 4>Drives went out to left. It just and I mean

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<v Speaker 4>just got over the wall in left field. Gilbert score

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<v Speaker 4>And how about that? The Sabi's third home run of

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<v Speaker 4>the year, and it's a big one. It ties the

0:30:06.400 --> 0:30:07.960
<v Speaker 4>game here in the seventh and eight.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh Slaves Basabe hotter than Wasabe his third home run

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<v Speaker 3>in the last four games for the San Francisco Giants,

0:30:18.800 --> 0:30:21.400
<v Speaker 3>and get used to hearing that name, because you might

0:30:21.440 --> 0:30:25.280
<v Speaker 3>be seeing some more Basabe in your life. A lot

0:30:25.320 --> 0:30:27.960
<v Speaker 3>of different names that you're gonna see moving forward. After

0:30:28.000 --> 0:30:31.960
<v Speaker 3>the Giants traded away six players from the active roster

0:30:32.240 --> 0:30:35.560
<v Speaker 3>earlier this week, but we do have an injury update

0:30:35.640 --> 0:30:38.720
<v Speaker 3>for you on a player that was recently on the

0:30:38.760 --> 0:30:42.800
<v Speaker 3>active roster. He's been inactive since July first. Now it's

0:30:42.840 --> 0:30:45.960
<v Speaker 3>been over a month since we've seen Matt Chapman, so

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<v Speaker 3>let's check in on Chappie in today's Stanford Healthcare Health

0:30:49.920 --> 0:30:54.440
<v Speaker 3>Report sponsored by Stanford Healthcare and Matt Chapman, who's been

0:30:54.440 --> 0:30:57.520
<v Speaker 3>dealing with that abdominal strain for over a month now.

0:30:57.800 --> 0:31:00.960
<v Speaker 3>We got an update yesterday before the show Tony Vytello

0:31:01.800 --> 0:31:05.080
<v Speaker 3>that Matt Chapman will be flying out the Philadelphia for

0:31:05.240 --> 0:31:09.440
<v Speaker 3>another evaluation with a specialist to see how severe that

0:31:09.520 --> 0:31:14.400
<v Speaker 3>abdominal strain is. Surgery is a possibility, and there is

0:31:14.560 --> 0:31:18.560
<v Speaker 3>a chance that Matt Chapman doesn't return to play another

0:31:18.640 --> 0:31:22.880
<v Speaker 3>game for the San Francisco Giants this season, which would

0:31:22.880 --> 0:31:26.680
<v Speaker 3>obviously open up another spot in this infield after the

0:31:26.720 --> 0:31:30.280
<v Speaker 3>Giants traded away Luisa Rise and Casey Schmidt was shut

0:31:30.360 --> 0:31:34.720
<v Speaker 3>down with a knee injury not too long ago. And

0:31:34.760 --> 0:31:38.320
<v Speaker 3>that JD was our Stanford Healthcare Health Report sponsored by

0:31:38.600 --> 0:31:40.680
<v Speaker 3>Stanford Healthcare. And I should tell you that you are

0:31:40.760 --> 0:31:44.200
<v Speaker 3>listening to canbyr Am and Camb from San Francisco The

0:31:44.400 --> 0:31:48.080
<v Speaker 3>Sports Leader, a Cumulus Media station. It feels like it's

0:31:48.120 --> 0:31:51.680
<v Speaker 3>been quite some time since we've even talked about Matt Chapman.

0:31:52.000 --> 0:31:54.680
<v Speaker 3>I know there was some rumblings about maybe him being

0:31:54.720 --> 0:31:57.720
<v Speaker 3>a trade candidate with teams looking for a right handed

0:31:57.760 --> 0:32:00.680
<v Speaker 3>bag and as streaky of a hit or that Matt

0:32:00.760 --> 0:32:03.880
<v Speaker 3>Chapman is, we know how good the glove is defensively

0:32:04.040 --> 0:32:07.680
<v Speaker 3>over on the hot corner. But with Casey Schmidt's kind

0:32:07.720 --> 0:32:11.720
<v Speaker 3>of emergence before the injury, there were talks about maybe

0:32:11.760 --> 0:32:14.440
<v Speaker 3>moving on from Matt Chapman. Sounds like Matt Chapman's not

0:32:14.480 --> 0:32:17.800
<v Speaker 3>moving anywhere besides Philadelphia. The go see a specialist. I

0:32:17.800 --> 0:32:20.160
<v Speaker 3>don't know, do you think that John should just shut

0:32:20.200 --> 0:32:22.160
<v Speaker 3>it down and let the young kids play at this point,

0:32:22.600 --> 0:32:24.520
<v Speaker 3>or do you think Matt Chapman has anything to prove

0:32:24.560 --> 0:32:25.760
<v Speaker 3>by trying to come back this year.

0:32:25.960 --> 0:32:28.560
<v Speaker 7>I don't think there's anything to prove. I think you

0:32:28.640 --> 0:32:31.200
<v Speaker 7>want to make sure that you're healthy for next year.

0:32:31.320 --> 0:32:33.680
<v Speaker 7>You also want to make sure that that should there

0:32:33.800 --> 0:32:37.200
<v Speaker 7>come an opportunity to move him, if you can find

0:32:37.240 --> 0:32:39.680
<v Speaker 7>in the offseason maybe a spot for him that he

0:32:39.720 --> 0:32:43.240
<v Speaker 7>would accept with the trade the no trade clause. I

0:32:43.280 --> 0:32:45.440
<v Speaker 7>think that's the pivot that you have to try to

0:32:45.480 --> 0:32:47.560
<v Speaker 7>move to. So to me, at this point, with wins

0:32:47.560 --> 0:32:50.840
<v Speaker 7>and losses and player you know, wins and losses, not

0:32:50.920 --> 0:32:54.920
<v Speaker 7>party equation, player development a bigger part of the equation.

0:32:56.160 --> 0:32:58.240
<v Speaker 5>Shut him down at this point.

0:32:58.320 --> 0:33:00.840
<v Speaker 7>Let him, Let him make sure that he's healthy and

0:33:01.160 --> 0:33:03.600
<v Speaker 7>good to go heading into the offseason, because any kind

0:33:03.600 --> 0:33:10.120
<v Speaker 7>of lingering injury question would completely eliminate the prospect of

0:33:10.240 --> 0:33:12.760
<v Speaker 7>being able to move him, whether that's an off season

0:33:12.800 --> 0:33:15.880
<v Speaker 7>conversation or should it be some kind of an injury

0:33:15.880 --> 0:33:18.280
<v Speaker 7>that ends up lingering into next year or coming back.

0:33:18.280 --> 0:33:20.480
<v Speaker 7>So if you have the ability to knock that injury out,

0:33:20.520 --> 0:33:21.400
<v Speaker 7>you gotta do it.

0:33:21.360 --> 0:33:25.080
<v Speaker 3>It's kind of a similar situation not apples to apples,

0:33:25.080 --> 0:33:27.440
<v Speaker 3>and it seems a little bit severe now with Matt Chapman,

0:33:27.920 --> 0:33:29.800
<v Speaker 3>that with Willia Domas, who has been dealing with this

0:33:29.880 --> 0:33:33.000
<v Speaker 3>back injury all season long, so much so to the

0:33:33.040 --> 0:33:35.000
<v Speaker 3>point where he was just caught out by the Apple

0:33:35.040 --> 0:33:39.160
<v Speaker 3>broadcast last Friday for not being available to work with

0:33:39.280 --> 0:33:42.440
<v Speaker 3>Ron Washington on his defensive skill set as much as

0:33:42.480 --> 0:33:45.280
<v Speaker 3>maybe Ron Washington or even Williadamas would prefer.

0:33:45.680 --> 0:33:45.920
<v Speaker 5>Now.

0:33:46.000 --> 0:33:48.480
<v Speaker 3>Susan Slusser, a good friend from the San Franisco Chronicle,

0:33:48.840 --> 0:33:51.800
<v Speaker 3>dropped an article and said, look, Willia Damas wants to

0:33:51.840 --> 0:33:54.840
<v Speaker 3>work with Wash, but the back injury has been hampering

0:33:54.880 --> 0:33:57.520
<v Speaker 3>and limiting some of those opportunities. It's kind of been

0:33:57.560 --> 0:34:00.000
<v Speaker 3>one of the biggest question marks as Ron Washington has

0:34:00.080 --> 0:34:03.800
<v Speaker 3>been able to revamp essentially everybody defensively turned Luise Rise

0:34:03.840 --> 0:34:06.600
<v Speaker 3>into a GOL gov candidate. We know about the work

0:34:06.600 --> 0:34:09.520
<v Speaker 3>with Matt Chapman, but Bryce Olvid, Rafael Devers, they've taken

0:34:09.520 --> 0:34:12.239
<v Speaker 3>strides this year defensively as well. Willie Domas has not

0:34:12.280 --> 0:34:15.200
<v Speaker 3>taken those strides. But circling back to the back injury,

0:34:15.360 --> 0:34:17.319
<v Speaker 3>if this is a back injury that's been lingering on

0:34:17.400 --> 0:34:20.080
<v Speaker 3>so much for WILLI Domas to the Giants entertain the

0:34:20.120 --> 0:34:21.799
<v Speaker 3>thought process of maybe shunning him down.

0:34:22.440 --> 0:34:25.799
<v Speaker 7>I think at some point they may very well look

0:34:25.840 --> 0:34:29.000
<v Speaker 7>to do that, And again, no problem with it if

0:34:29.000 --> 0:34:30.919
<v Speaker 7>the player is on board with it and it's something

0:34:31.000 --> 0:34:34.239
<v Speaker 7>that can be calmed down. That would lead toward the

0:34:34.280 --> 0:34:37.120
<v Speaker 7>belief that you're going to have a greater ability to

0:34:37.160 --> 0:34:39.440
<v Speaker 7>be productive for next year. And look, they've got a

0:34:39.480 --> 0:34:42.520
<v Speaker 7>decision to make on Adamis in terms of what position

0:34:42.600 --> 0:34:44.800
<v Speaker 7>they're going to have him play next year because Luisa

0:34:44.880 --> 0:34:49.200
<v Speaker 7>Rise is now gone onto Philadelphia, and so that opens

0:34:49.239 --> 0:34:51.240
<v Speaker 7>the door. And I know we were mapping it out earlier,

0:34:51.320 --> 0:34:52.600
<v Speaker 7>kind of going around the horn, you.

0:34:52.560 --> 0:34:53.840
<v Speaker 5>Would project Susack.

0:34:53.920 --> 0:34:58.359
<v Speaker 7>I would agree, I've come over to your side on that,

0:34:57.480 --> 0:35:00.239
<v Speaker 7>and that you project Susack to be the ca at

0:35:00.239 --> 0:35:04.080
<v Speaker 7>your you know, you know it's Devers and it's gonna

0:35:04.080 --> 0:35:07.120
<v Speaker 7>be Eldridge first base, DH. You don't really know second

0:35:07.120 --> 0:35:11.560
<v Speaker 7>base right now for the time being. Shortstop would be Adamas,

0:35:11.640 --> 0:35:15.400
<v Speaker 7>third base Chapman, but you might move Adamas to second.

0:35:15.800 --> 0:35:18.520
<v Speaker 7>If you do that, you need a shortstop and there's

0:35:18.520 --> 0:35:19.680
<v Speaker 7>a hole there, and then what do you do in

0:35:19.760 --> 0:35:21.920
<v Speaker 7>left field? I think Casey Schmid ends up filling one

0:35:21.960 --> 0:35:24.879
<v Speaker 7>of those spots also, and then do you have your

0:35:24.880 --> 0:35:28.279
<v Speaker 7>everyday center fielder in the mix in addition to that

0:35:28.440 --> 0:35:30.759
<v Speaker 7>for next year. So there are spots that are open

0:35:30.840 --> 0:35:32.319
<v Speaker 7>that are going to be filled, But there are also

0:35:32.400 --> 0:35:35.719
<v Speaker 7>some question marks I think as it relates to where

0:35:35.719 --> 0:35:38.040
<v Speaker 7>will Willy Adamas specifically play next year.

0:35:38.080 --> 0:35:41.200
<v Speaker 3>And that's the intriguing thing with this team moving forward.

0:35:41.400 --> 0:35:43.640
<v Speaker 3>After the trade deadline, I know that there were a

0:35:43.719 --> 0:35:46.440
<v Speaker 3>lot of Giants fans who wanted to see the contract

0:35:46.480 --> 0:35:48.880
<v Speaker 3>of Willie Domas or even Matt Chapman, or.

0:35:48.920 --> 0:35:50.080
<v Speaker 5>Even throw Rafael Devers.

0:35:50.120 --> 0:35:52.160
<v Speaker 3>Is that conversation of guys you wanted to move at

0:35:52.160 --> 0:35:55.280
<v Speaker 3>this year's trade deadline, But it takes two to tango.

0:35:55.440 --> 0:35:58.120
<v Speaker 3>You can't force another team to take on the contract.

0:35:58.200 --> 0:36:00.239
<v Speaker 3>Now you do have the option of maybe buying down

0:36:00.239 --> 0:36:01.719
<v Speaker 3>some of the contract, and that's going to be an

0:36:01.719 --> 0:36:04.840
<v Speaker 3>option for the Giants this offseason moving forward. But to

0:36:04.920 --> 0:36:08.600
<v Speaker 3>your point, after the quote fire cell earlier this week,

0:36:08.960 --> 0:36:11.959
<v Speaker 3>there are still maybe seven guys who expect to see

0:36:11.960 --> 0:36:14.520
<v Speaker 3>back in this Giants line up last year, from Sussac

0:36:14.600 --> 0:36:17.400
<v Speaker 3>to Devers to Eldridge to a Domis to Chapman to

0:36:17.480 --> 0:36:20.120
<v Speaker 3>jung Houli. Casey Schmidt is going to fill in at

0:36:20.160 --> 0:36:22.320
<v Speaker 3>either left field or at second base.

0:36:22.520 --> 0:36:23.680
<v Speaker 5>So really you're looking at.

0:36:23.520 --> 0:36:27.399
<v Speaker 3>Two spots maybe being open left field and centerfield like

0:36:27.400 --> 0:36:27.600
<v Speaker 3>like that.

0:36:27.719 --> 0:36:30.440
<v Speaker 5>That's running back a lot of the same roster for.

0:36:30.440 --> 0:36:33.880
<v Speaker 3>A team that's been eighteen nineteen games under five hundred

0:36:33.920 --> 0:36:36.480
<v Speaker 3>the entire season and really has been a letdown for

0:36:36.520 --> 0:36:38.480
<v Speaker 3>the preseason expectations.

0:36:38.200 --> 0:36:41.280
<v Speaker 7>No doubt, and so that that's a lot to That's

0:36:41.320 --> 0:36:42.360
<v Speaker 7>a lot to navigate.

0:36:42.440 --> 0:36:43.920
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, that's a lot to navigate.

0:36:43.960 --> 0:36:45.799
<v Speaker 7>And look, I think the Giants are trying to do

0:36:45.840 --> 0:36:49.080
<v Speaker 7>the best they can in terms of the future part

0:36:49.120 --> 0:36:51.479
<v Speaker 7>of it. As far as the three to four years

0:36:51.520 --> 0:36:53.479
<v Speaker 7>down the line future, the question is going to become

0:36:53.520 --> 0:36:56.080
<v Speaker 7>how much of the how much of the twenty twenty

0:36:56.160 --> 0:37:00.359
<v Speaker 7>six immediate future can they look to correct and upon

0:37:00.400 --> 0:37:01.279
<v Speaker 7>for twenty twenty seven.

0:37:01.360 --> 0:37:03.239
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I mean that's the question, even if there is

0:37:03.280 --> 0:37:03.840
<v Speaker 5>a season in.

0:37:03.880 --> 0:37:07.640
<v Speaker 7>Twenty twenty seven and look in maybe and maybe In fairness, again,

0:37:07.760 --> 0:37:10.919
<v Speaker 7>not that they get credit for this, but it sort

0:37:10.920 --> 0:37:14.200
<v Speaker 7>of works both ways in the sense that you know,

0:37:14.960 --> 0:37:17.200
<v Speaker 7>one could say, hey, if you don't believe there's going

0:37:17.239 --> 0:37:20.280
<v Speaker 7>to be a twenty twenty seven, then maybe you could

0:37:20.280 --> 0:37:23.640
<v Speaker 7>have been more app to lean in and go harder

0:37:23.680 --> 0:37:26.799
<v Speaker 7>at the trade deadline and maybe trade another veteran or

0:37:26.840 --> 0:37:29.719
<v Speaker 7>two that was in the tradeable category.

0:37:30.080 --> 0:37:31.920
<v Speaker 5>The flip side to that, though, is.

0:37:33.440 --> 0:37:37.359
<v Speaker 7>Stan pat and know that maybe if there's a lesser year,

0:37:38.520 --> 0:37:40.920
<v Speaker 7>next year's kind of inconsequential. No matter what, You're a

0:37:41.000 --> 0:37:43.280
<v Speaker 7>year closer to where maybe some of these younger players

0:37:43.320 --> 0:37:45.880
<v Speaker 7>are going to be actually on your roster, and you

0:37:45.920 --> 0:37:47.919
<v Speaker 7>sort of stop gap it and oh, by the way,

0:37:48.719 --> 0:37:52.440
<v Speaker 7>and this is a point that I think people don't

0:37:52.480 --> 0:37:58.040
<v Speaker 7>always a shorter season benefits a team that projects to

0:37:58.080 --> 0:38:01.600
<v Speaker 7>not be as good a short I think a shorter

0:38:01.640 --> 0:38:04.840
<v Speaker 7>season like you could there are teams that maybe aren't

0:38:04.840 --> 0:38:07.160
<v Speaker 7>built for one sixty two. Like like, if there's an

0:38:07.200 --> 0:38:09.680
<v Speaker 7>if you tell me there's an eighty game season next year,

0:38:10.080 --> 0:38:11.960
<v Speaker 7>the Giants have got a hell of a better chance

0:38:12.040 --> 0:38:15.560
<v Speaker 7>next year of being in contention in an eighty game

0:38:15.600 --> 0:38:17.440
<v Speaker 7>season that starts July first.

0:38:17.600 --> 0:38:20.160
<v Speaker 3>Now would you say that's because of the length of

0:38:20.200 --> 0:38:23.200
<v Speaker 3>the starting rotation, not having to eat any more innings,

0:38:23.440 --> 0:38:24.520
<v Speaker 3>or what's a reason in behind that.

0:38:24.719 --> 0:38:27.479
<v Speaker 7>I just think it's the I just think you can

0:38:28.160 --> 0:38:30.839
<v Speaker 7>you see teams all the time that are that hang

0:38:31.239 --> 0:38:33.640
<v Speaker 7>into five you know, are in and around five hundred

0:38:33.719 --> 0:38:35.799
<v Speaker 7>for half a year that at some point fall off

0:38:35.840 --> 0:38:37.839
<v Speaker 7>the map. Now, look, this year, it wouldn't have mattered

0:38:37.840 --> 0:38:39.719
<v Speaker 7>because they fall off the map at the beginning. I mean,

0:38:39.760 --> 0:38:42.120
<v Speaker 7>it's not a guarantee. I'm just saying you've got a

0:38:42.120 --> 0:38:45.560
<v Speaker 7>better chance with fewer game The more you have to play,

0:38:45.719 --> 0:38:47.640
<v Speaker 7>the more your flaws get exposed.

0:38:47.719 --> 0:38:50.280
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, the more of an opportunity for things to fall apart.

0:38:50.320 --> 0:38:54.000
<v Speaker 7>Well, the more the longer the season, the more things

0:38:54.000 --> 0:38:57.359
<v Speaker 7>get exposed. And whether it's the beginning of the year

0:38:57.440 --> 0:39:00.000
<v Speaker 7>or whenever, but I do think a shorter year.

0:39:00.000 --> 0:39:01.960
<v Speaker 5>I mean again, look at look at twenty twenty.

0:39:02.080 --> 0:39:05.239
<v Speaker 7>That twenty twenty Giants weren't good, but they were a

0:39:05.320 --> 0:39:07.759
<v Speaker 7>game out of a playoff spot. Yeah, twenty nine and

0:39:07.880 --> 0:39:10.360
<v Speaker 7>thirty one. Yeah, and look that might be an extreme

0:39:10.520 --> 0:39:12.680
<v Speaker 7>version of it, but that team wasn't any good.

0:39:12.920 --> 0:39:15.520
<v Speaker 5>No, and and it and it, and they were awful

0:39:15.560 --> 0:39:16.839
<v Speaker 5>at the beginning of that year too.

0:39:16.880 --> 0:39:19.520
<v Speaker 7>I think they're eight and sixteen twenty four games in

0:39:19.600 --> 0:39:21.799
<v Speaker 7>and then played much better to have a.

0:39:21.760 --> 0:39:24.640
<v Speaker 3>Shot, Yeah, and that always hides some of your problems

0:39:24.680 --> 0:39:26.680
<v Speaker 3>when you think you have a shot at the end

0:39:26.719 --> 0:39:27.360
<v Speaker 3>of the season.

0:39:27.480 --> 0:39:30.239
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, so if you're trying to cobble it together for

0:39:30.400 --> 0:39:32.799
<v Speaker 7>you know, for a for a who knows kind of

0:39:32.800 --> 0:39:34.720
<v Speaker 7>a year, the short season.

0:39:35.640 --> 0:39:37.800
<v Speaker 5>Again, I don't think the short season hurts the Giants

0:39:37.840 --> 0:39:38.439
<v Speaker 5>at all. You don't.

0:39:38.520 --> 0:39:40.239
<v Speaker 7>You know, you don't have to you don't have to

0:39:40.239 --> 0:39:43.400
<v Speaker 7>pay guys that aren't playing, you know, if there's a

0:39:43.440 --> 0:39:46.640
<v Speaker 7>lockout and a labor dispute, like you're you're still going

0:39:46.680 --> 0:39:48.560
<v Speaker 7>to be developing a lot of these guys in the

0:39:48.800 --> 0:39:51.120
<v Speaker 7>in the lower minor. Like it just it's kind of

0:39:51.160 --> 0:39:54.399
<v Speaker 7>a you know, it sucks from a fans standpoint, because

0:39:54.400 --> 0:39:56.279
<v Speaker 7>we all want to see baseball, and we all want

0:39:56.280 --> 0:39:58.600
<v Speaker 7>to we all want to talk baseball. But but I

0:39:58.640 --> 0:40:02.640
<v Speaker 7>think from an organizational stand point, it's sort of it's

0:40:02.680 --> 0:40:05.280
<v Speaker 7>sort of one you can take for the greater good

0:40:05.360 --> 0:40:08.880
<v Speaker 7>of being closer to where you think you're going to

0:40:08.960 --> 0:40:11.919
<v Speaker 7>be significantly better. Yeah, right time on if you're trying

0:40:11.920 --> 0:40:14.480
<v Speaker 7>to run out the clock essentially towards the time in

0:40:14.520 --> 0:40:17.239
<v Speaker 7>which all these prospects come up that everybody's so high on,

0:40:17.840 --> 0:40:20.800
<v Speaker 7>well a year that doesn't mean as much or matter

0:40:20.840 --> 0:40:23.600
<v Speaker 7>as much from that standpoint. Or a year where you

0:40:23.640 --> 0:40:25.799
<v Speaker 7>maybe don't maybe you could get by with not being

0:40:25.840 --> 0:40:27.239
<v Speaker 7>as good as you'd have to be in one hundred

0:40:27.280 --> 0:40:27.879
<v Speaker 7>and sixty two.

0:40:28.400 --> 0:40:29.440
<v Speaker 5>That's an added benefit.

0:40:29.520 --> 0:40:32.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and then you're a year closer to the names

0:40:32.040 --> 0:40:34.480
<v Speaker 3>like a Bo Davison or a Gavin Keeling or any

0:40:34.480 --> 0:40:36.560
<v Speaker 3>of these prospects that you think can maybe make an

0:40:36.640 --> 0:40:38.880
<v Speaker 3>impact in a year or two and maybe line up

0:40:38.880 --> 0:40:41.960
<v Speaker 3>with that Bryce Eldridge timeline. And I think, circling back

0:40:42.000 --> 0:40:44.719
<v Speaker 3>to the trade deadline, I think that's one of the

0:40:44.719 --> 0:40:47.120
<v Speaker 3>reasons why they decided to part ways with a guy

0:40:47.160 --> 0:40:49.920
<v Speaker 3>like Ellie Ramos, despite the fact that he was under

0:40:50.000 --> 0:40:52.439
<v Speaker 3>three years of team control. You take away a year

0:40:52.480 --> 0:40:54.560
<v Speaker 3>potentially due to the lockout. I know we're doing a

0:40:54.600 --> 0:40:56.560
<v Speaker 3>lot of speculation, but that takes a year of team

0:40:56.600 --> 0:40:59.080
<v Speaker 3>control away. But I also think this is a Giants

0:40:59.200 --> 0:41:03.200
<v Speaker 3>organization that is obviously a lot more confident in their bats,

0:41:03.280 --> 0:41:05.480
<v Speaker 3>not only at the big league level, but throughout the

0:41:05.640 --> 0:41:08.600
<v Speaker 3>minor league systems as well, which is why you're willing

0:41:08.600 --> 0:41:10.920
<v Speaker 3>to part on from a guy like Elliott Ramos to

0:41:10.960 --> 0:41:13.360
<v Speaker 3>bring in Henry Lalani from the New York Yankees, to

0:41:13.440 --> 0:41:15.760
<v Speaker 3>maybe move some bats, to bring in some more arms,

0:41:15.800 --> 0:41:19.760
<v Speaker 3>because it's not a secret the Giants need more pitching

0:41:20.080 --> 0:41:23.280
<v Speaker 3>if they're gonna compete with these three contracts on the roster,

0:41:23.560 --> 0:41:25.360
<v Speaker 3>with Junghuli and with Logan Web.

0:41:25.560 --> 0:41:27.440
<v Speaker 5>Guess what. They need help. They need help in the

0:41:27.440 --> 0:41:28.120
<v Speaker 5>starting rotation.

0:41:28.360 --> 0:41:31.000
<v Speaker 3>They need help in the bullpen badly, which is why

0:41:31.040 --> 0:41:34.960
<v Speaker 3>you bring in some of these prospects. It's always a

0:41:34.960 --> 0:41:37.640
<v Speaker 3>lottery ticket when you're talking about prospects in general. But

0:41:37.960 --> 0:41:40.680
<v Speaker 3>you throw enough guards at the wall, you're hoping that

0:41:40.719 --> 0:41:43.160
<v Speaker 3>some of them stick, regardless if that's in the starting

0:41:43.239 --> 0:41:46.200
<v Speaker 3>rotation or in the bullpen. They need arms. They need

0:41:46.320 --> 0:41:48.280
<v Speaker 3>arms badly, and I think that's why they were willing

0:41:48.320 --> 0:41:50.200
<v Speaker 3>to trade some of the bats in some of the

0:41:50.239 --> 0:41:53.520
<v Speaker 3>expiring contracts, like Elliot Ramos or even a Luis Rice.

0:41:54.120 --> 0:41:56.560
<v Speaker 7>I think you're spot on, I mean, and they use

0:41:56.600 --> 0:42:00.200
<v Speaker 7>the opportunity to revamp in areas in which they thought

0:42:00.239 --> 0:42:03.680
<v Speaker 7>Elliott Ramos didn't fit necessarily into the future plans as

0:42:03.680 --> 0:42:07.520
<v Speaker 7>a hitter and it is an everyday player, and I

0:42:07.560 --> 0:42:10.680
<v Speaker 7>think his defense is part of that as much as

0:42:10.680 --> 0:42:14.520
<v Speaker 7>he was a great teammate and somebody that was liked

0:42:14.560 --> 0:42:18.440
<v Speaker 7>within that clubhouse. So yeah, they're trying to reset the

0:42:18.719 --> 0:42:21.320
<v Speaker 7>pitching depth at a minimum, but I think the pitching

0:42:21.480 --> 0:42:25.000
<v Speaker 7>talent at a maxiwall. Like we pitching depth, pitching depth,

0:42:25.040 --> 0:42:26.839
<v Speaker 7>pitching depth. You hear that thrown around all the time.

0:42:26.960 --> 0:42:29.759
<v Speaker 7>Give me some pitching. You need pitching depth, not poo

0:42:29.800 --> 0:42:32.520
<v Speaker 7>poo in that, but give me pitching talent. And like,

0:42:32.520 --> 0:42:36.600
<v Speaker 7>I'm more focused on the talent projected of these guys,

0:42:36.640 --> 0:42:40.600
<v Speaker 7>which on paper, again by those in the know, they're

0:42:40.719 --> 0:42:41.600
<v Speaker 7>talented dudes.

0:42:41.680 --> 0:42:44.080
<v Speaker 3>And I think that's one of the biggest differences. As

0:42:44.120 --> 0:42:46.480
<v Speaker 3>we were talking about earlier this morning, with the Giants

0:42:46.480 --> 0:42:48.759
<v Speaker 3>going out last year at the trade deadline, seemed like

0:42:48.800 --> 0:42:52.960
<v Speaker 3>they got maybe more quantity than quality with some of

0:42:52.960 --> 0:42:55.320
<v Speaker 3>the prospects that they picked up. Now, Blade Tidwell was

0:42:55.360 --> 0:42:57.279
<v Speaker 3>one of those examples that got the start last night.

0:42:57.560 --> 0:42:59.640
<v Speaker 3>We talked to him for a few seconds earlier today

0:42:59.680 --> 0:43:01.320
<v Speaker 3>on the show, but he was a guy that was

0:43:01.320 --> 0:43:03.600
<v Speaker 3>a second round draft pick. It seems like some of

0:43:03.640 --> 0:43:07.879
<v Speaker 3>these prospects this year are even more highly regarded than

0:43:07.880 --> 0:43:10.000
<v Speaker 3>a Blade Tidwell or some of the arms.

0:43:09.800 --> 0:43:11.160
<v Speaker 5>That you picked up the last couple of years.

0:43:11.200 --> 0:43:13.200
<v Speaker 3>Definitely, and that's the thing you need, Like, if we

0:43:13.280 --> 0:43:15.719
<v Speaker 3>all have this pipe dream of eventually competing with the

0:43:15.760 --> 0:43:18.680
<v Speaker 3>Dodgers and the Padres and the Cubes and the Brewers

0:43:18.760 --> 0:43:20.600
<v Speaker 3>and some of the top teams in the National League.

0:43:20.760 --> 0:43:22.960
<v Speaker 3>Guess what you need more than just guys that are

0:43:22.960 --> 0:43:24.600
<v Speaker 3>gonna fill in as a four or the five in

0:43:24.640 --> 0:43:25.120
<v Speaker 3>the rotation.

0:43:25.400 --> 0:43:26.920
<v Speaker 5>You need a top of the end starter.

0:43:27.200 --> 0:43:29.279
<v Speaker 3>You need an ace to pair up with Logan Web

0:43:29.400 --> 0:43:31.640
<v Speaker 3>in case you ever do get back to a postseason series.

0:43:32.360 --> 0:43:36.280
<v Speaker 7>Yes, although that then that begs the question, where's logan

0:43:36.360 --> 0:43:39.319
<v Speaker 7>Web at that point when when you have that, which

0:43:39.360 --> 0:43:42.040
<v Speaker 7>I think that the timelines could be off. Time will

0:43:42.040 --> 0:43:43.560
<v Speaker 7>tell on that, but I think it's more likely than

0:43:43.560 --> 0:43:46.399
<v Speaker 7>not the timelines are off on that. Even if even

0:43:46.440 --> 0:43:48.880
<v Speaker 7>if you want logan Web to be on your roster,

0:43:48.960 --> 0:43:52.200
<v Speaker 7>maybe at that point logan Web's a three that you

0:43:52.320 --> 0:43:53.960
<v Speaker 7>like pitching in big games. I mean, there's plenty of

0:43:53.960 --> 0:43:55.800
<v Speaker 7>threes and fours that pitch one in big games.

0:43:55.920 --> 0:43:59.040
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, which was interesting When I'm talking like twenty twenty

0:43:59.120 --> 0:44:02.160
<v Speaker 3>nine thirty. Then we're getting down the road, and Logan

0:44:02.160 --> 0:44:05.799
<v Speaker 3>Web does have two more years left in his contract,

0:44:05.800 --> 0:44:07.759
<v Speaker 3>but yeah, even down but it was interested in that.

0:44:07.800 --> 0:44:10.239
<v Speaker 3>Buzzer Posy said that he expects them to be competitive

0:44:10.239 --> 0:44:12.000
<v Speaker 3>in the next two years with logan Web on the roster.

0:44:12.040 --> 0:44:12.480
<v Speaker 5>But what else.

0:44:13.360 --> 0:44:16.000
<v Speaker 7>But that's but you have to say that if you're

0:44:16.040 --> 0:44:20.000
<v Speaker 7>going to keep him, because again the reason you were

0:44:20.040 --> 0:44:23.239
<v Speaker 7>going to keep him over not was because the messaging

0:44:23.360 --> 0:44:26.360
<v Speaker 7>would have been if you trade him that you're quitting

0:44:26.400 --> 0:44:30.120
<v Speaker 7>on next year, that you're waving the white flag. You're

0:44:30.200 --> 0:44:31.880
<v Speaker 7>quitting on next year, you're waving the wife flag. You're

0:44:31.920 --> 0:44:34.759
<v Speaker 7>expecting to be completely fully developmental on next year.

0:44:34.880 --> 0:44:36.040
<v Speaker 5>May that was the whole note.

0:44:35.920 --> 0:44:38.000
<v Speaker 7>That was I mean, in some way, that's the only

0:44:38.080 --> 0:44:39.640
<v Speaker 7>reason you don't trade him.

0:44:40.000 --> 0:44:42.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And that's a problem because you could have got

0:44:42.960 --> 0:44:45.600
<v Speaker 3>a pretty big trade package back in return if you

0:44:45.680 --> 0:44:46.840
<v Speaker 3>did make that decision.

0:44:47.200 --> 0:44:48.840
<v Speaker 5>Giants did not make that decision.

0:44:48.920 --> 0:44:51.520
<v Speaker 3>And when you're stuck with these contracts, you need pictures

0:44:51.560 --> 0:44:53.360
<v Speaker 3>like logan Web to maybe help you compete.

0:44:53.560 --> 0:44:56.560
<v Speaker 7>But you're not in my opinion, again, maybe we disagree

0:44:56.600 --> 0:44:59.160
<v Speaker 7>on this. In my opinion, you're not keeping logan Web

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<v Speaker 7>into twenty twenty six because you want him to be

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<v Speaker 7>part of your rotation in twenty thirty with these other

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<v Speaker 7>dudes like that, Like that's that's too far.

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<v Speaker 5>A bridge from me.

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<v Speaker 3>That would be what a thirty two, thirty three year

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<v Speaker 3>old logan web, which I wouldn't put him past them,

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<v Speaker 3>but it would be past maybe his prime peak age

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<v Speaker 3>as a pitcher in Major league bags.

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<v Speaker 5>And that's what I'm saying. That's the timeframe that I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 7>Maybe he's like a three at that point, a two

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<v Speaker 7>or a three.

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<v Speaker 5>That would be a guy you would wanted to begay.

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<v Speaker 3>And maybe that's also worth the experience he brings to

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<v Speaker 3>the rotation and maybe help some of these young pubs

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<v Speaker 3>maybe take advantage of the art.

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<v Speaker 7>If the other guys are loaded enough to to have

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<v Speaker 7>that be the case, then it could work. Like it's

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<v Speaker 7>there's no absolute in saying that it wouldn't work.

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<v Speaker 5>I just think that the timeline for me.

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<v Speaker 7>On this, which is why I was so adamant and

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<v Speaker 7>that I would look to move him, doesn't seem to fit.

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<v Speaker 5>It fits the it fits the.

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<v Speaker 7>Desired to call yourself competitive and not wave the white

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<v Speaker 7>flag for the next two years.

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<v Speaker 5>It fits that.

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<v Speaker 7>It doesn't fit the we want this guy to lead

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<v Speaker 7>a rotation full of the guys that they've just acquired

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<v Speaker 7>here in the last month.

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<v Speaker 3>You're saying the math ain't math, and well, no math

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<v Speaker 3>has added up for the Giants this year, forty eight

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<v Speaker 3>and sixty six on the season. But we'll see if

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<v Speaker 3>guys like Carson Wizna, who's starting today's game, will have

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<v Speaker 3>a chance, so maybe claim one of these rotation spots

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<v Speaker 3>moving forward. But let's get outside of the Giants for

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<v Speaker 3>a minute. Big debuts around the league with some new

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<v Speaker 3>Giants in new places and Scooble making his Dodger debut.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's go around the league before we start pregame at

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<v Speaker 3>ten thirty five this morning with your award winning Diamond Notes.

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<v Speaker 3>It's JD, John Dickinson, and Marcus Bouchet on the Murphy

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<v Speaker 3>Marcus Show on The Sports Leader AMBRB Sports Leader