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Speaker 2: I thought he settled in and he pitched really well.
Speaker 2: It's it is two different mentalities. Those guys can speak
Speaker 2: to it more intelligently than I can. But he's been
Speaker 2: a little bit of both reliever and the true bulldog
Speaker 2: comes out in him when he's got, you know, three
Speaker 2: outs to go get as opposed of a runway of
Speaker 2: maybe one hundred pitches. And to me, it was a
Speaker 2: good mix. As the game went on, of he looked
Speaker 2: like he was attacking and he had his intensity, but
Speaker 2: he's also pitching really well. And then even towards the
Speaker 2: end there where he's able to get out of some
Speaker 2: damage against really good or prevent damage against some really
Speaker 2: good hitters. He was kind of truly pitching a good
Speaker 2: mix and good spotting up.
Speaker 3: The voice a former Tennessee head baseball coach Tony Vaidel Little,
Speaker 3: current skipper of the San Francisco Giant and the skipper
Speaker 3: of our next guest, Blade Tidwell, who made his first
Speaker 3: start as a member of the San Francisco Giants last
Speaker 3: night out in Texas, taking some time out of his
Speaker 3: schedule this morning. On the UMA Guest Line, Blade, want
Speaker 3: to say good morning, Welcome to the Murph and Markey Show.
Speaker 3: I'm Marcus Bouchet. John Dickinson is my partner this morning.
Speaker 3: How are we doing today? Blade?
Speaker 4: Oop?
Speaker 5: Take two?
Speaker 4: Blade?
Speaker 5: What's going on?
Speaker 4: Brother?
Speaker 5: You with us this morning?
Speaker 6: Yeah? Can you hear me?
Speaker 5: Yes, sir, we got you loud and clear. Blade Tidwell.
Speaker 3: On the UMA guest Line, how you feeling this morning
Speaker 3: after making your first start as a San Francisco Giant.
Speaker 3: I know that you've had starts before in the big
Speaker 3: leagues with the New York Mets, but last night first
Speaker 3: time doing it in a Giants uniform after starting the
Speaker 3: season in the bullpen. Your takeaways from last night's game, Blade, Yeah, I.
Speaker 6: Thought it went well overall. I did a good job
Speaker 6: battling After that first inning. I came out a little
Speaker 6: bit shaky, which was not good for anybody. Kind of
Speaker 6: costs the bullpen having to go out there and throw
Speaker 6: four innings so they couldn't make it through six. But overall,
Speaker 6: I'll take it.
Speaker 7: What are the keys to adjusting when things get off
Speaker 7: to a start that you know in the first inning,
Speaker 7: that that, you know, maybe you don't like to to
Speaker 7: sort of hold it together as you were able to
Speaker 7: do their moving.
Speaker 6: Forward, just come back in and kind of mentally reset.
Speaker 6: I feel like, go out there and take it three
Speaker 6: outs of the time as opposed to trying to. You're
Speaker 6: not going to get those runs you gave up back,
Speaker 6: so just make do with what you got.
Speaker 3: Well, Blade, talk to us about the mentality going to
Speaker 3: this game after starting off the season in the bullpen,
Speaker 3: going back down to trip away, stretching out, then coming
Speaker 3: back as a starter. I know that's your first start
Speaker 3: as a member in the Giants organization. It's also the
Speaker 3: first time you've started for Tony Vatello and Frank Anderson
Speaker 3: since your days at Tennessee. Was there maybe a feeling
Speaker 3: of comfort or familiarity going back into the duga after
Speaker 3: the first inning, being able to talk to Tony.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's kind of surreal. You know, that's where I
Speaker 6: started playing competitive baseball was at Tennessee, not including high school.
Speaker 6: So it's a surreal moment to be in the major
Speaker 6: leagues and playing for those guys again, and it does
Speaker 6: provide you with some comfort.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what were some of those pregame conversations like with
Speaker 3: Tony Vitello and Frank Anderson one of your pitching coaches,
Speaker 3: to guys that you're very familiar with, does it kind
Speaker 3: of cool you down and maybe ease you into the
Speaker 3: moment a little bit.
Speaker 6: I actually don't talk a whole lot on the day
Speaker 6: I've pitched, so there wasn't a whole lot of conversations.
Speaker 7: Go what what's the biggest adjustment in terms of going
Speaker 7: from being a reliever to being a starter, you know,
Speaker 7: in terms of whether it's pitch selection or repertoire or
Speaker 7: building your arm back up, or you know, how have
Speaker 7: you sort of navigated that this year?
Speaker 6: It's all been new to me because I've never really
Speaker 6: relieved until this year.
Speaker 3: So sounds like Blade might have dropped out for a
Speaker 3: quick second. We will reconnect on the UMA guest line
Speaker 3: see if John Joe Curley can make the connection with
Speaker 3: Walter scrambling behind the scenes, throwing down some signs. Feels
Speaker 3: like the PitchCom has gone out for a pitch or
Speaker 3: two here as we try to reconnect with Blade, tedwell,
Speaker 3: but Blade tell us about some of those differences, the
Speaker 3: mentality versus being a bullpen arm versus coming into the
Speaker 3: starting rotation.
Speaker 6: Yeah, they're a little bit different. It's new ground for me.
Speaker 6: I never relieved until this year. But going out there
Speaker 6: in the bullpen, you know, you're only gonna have a
Speaker 6: limited amount of pitches, so you can kind of let
Speaker 6: it all eat starter. You have to be a little
Speaker 6: bit more precise, think a little bit more, you know,
Speaker 6: and it's just a different There are two different things,
Speaker 6: and I enjoyed doing both.
Speaker 3: Actually, yeah, two totally different approaches in two different ways.
Speaker 3: That you got to get ready for a game. When
Speaker 3: you're in the bullpen, you got to get up and
Speaker 3: get hot.
Speaker 5: Talk.
Speaker 3: Take us through your game day routine. How do you
Speaker 3: like to prep for a start? Blade?
Speaker 6: Uh, usually get to the field and eat and then
Speaker 6: I put my headphone.
Speaker 3: Sounds like those headphones might have dropped off once again.
Speaker 3: Let's see if we can make this connection. J D.
Speaker 3: If you had to pitch a game, what would be
Speaker 3: your pre game mil?
Speaker 6: Well?
Speaker 3: Are you are you a PEB and J kind of guy?
Speaker 3: Load up on pasta, litt up on some carbs.
Speaker 5: I am always on a high carb diet, so that
Speaker 5: would not change.
Speaker 7: That would not change if I were a professional athlete
Speaker 7: at a at a pitcher, I would also be a
Speaker 7: don't talk.
Speaker 5: To be guy.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it seems like you definitely want to zone out
Speaker 3: a little bit those guys that are don't talk to
Speaker 3: me guys. Yeah, well, we'll talk to us about some
Speaker 3: of that mentality when you're on the bump. Is it
Speaker 3: more of a I'm just here to attack the zone.
Speaker 3: I don't care who's standing in the box. Why do
Speaker 3: you think you have that mentality where you do want
Speaker 3: to be kind of left on an island on game day? Yeah?
Speaker 6: I try to balance it, you know, because I can
Speaker 6: be a little bit over aggressive at times, so I
Speaker 6: actually have to think through a little bit like what
Speaker 6: pitch did I just throw? How did the hitter react
Speaker 6: to that? But overall, I do would want to be
Speaker 6: on the hunt every pitch, attack and the hitter.
Speaker 7: What's different about the pitching philosophy overall with the Giants
Speaker 7: maybe versus you know, the Mets organization versus maybe the
Speaker 7: way things were at Tennessee even under Tony Vitello.
Speaker 6: Well, I really didn't know a whole lot about baseball
Speaker 6: when I was at Tennessee, so I was just out
Speaker 6: there competing. And then now obviously I know a lot.
Speaker 3: Blade Tidwell is the voicy here this morning, in and
Speaker 3: out on the connection on the Umaga line. We'll try
Speaker 3: to connect one more time with Blade, as he is
Speaker 3: kind enough to give us a few minutes out in
Speaker 3: Texas this morning, talking about some of those differences between
Speaker 3: pitching out of the bullpen, pitching and the starting rotation,
Speaker 3: and the difference between pitching in different locations. To your point,
Speaker 3: JD pitching at Tennessee, pitching for the New York Mets,
Speaker 3: and then last year, almost a year ago to the day,
Speaker 3: comes over in the Tyler Rogers trade. Blade, I think
Speaker 3: we have you back on the UMA guess on this morning.
Speaker 3: We were just talking about how it's nearly a one
Speaker 3: year anniversary since you were traded from the New York
Speaker 3: Mets to the San Francisco Giants last year.
Speaker 5: Take us through that experience.
Speaker 3: What was like for you to be traded in your
Speaker 3: film one year later out from the trade deadline.
Speaker 7: It was.
Speaker 6: Kind of wild, but the Giants did a great job
Speaker 6: of making me feel comfortable from the get go, and
Speaker 6: they actually gave me an extra day to get to
Speaker 6: the affiliate, so they made the transition.
Speaker 3: Blade, I appreciate you coming on with this morning sounds
Speaker 3: like Randam's connection issues. Maybe we'll take a rain check
Speaker 3: on this one, man. I wanted to get a full
Speaker 3: breakdown of Blade Tidwell's pitching. Arsenal went five innings last night,
Speaker 3: did not get the win as the Giants battled back
Speaker 3: multiple times in last night's game. I think there were
Speaker 3: some real flashes in last night's game, some really good
Speaker 3: moments for guys like Basab hitting another home run, Bryce
Speaker 3: Odridge coming off the bench. Blade Tidwell was one of
Speaker 3: those standouts from last night.
Speaker 5: JD.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and somebody that's going to have an opportunity right
Speaker 7: at the top of the list with a few spots
Speaker 7: in the rotation currently open for twenty twenty seven. And
Speaker 7: I you know, we talked about it with Kruco. Just
Speaker 7: the way that he battled and kind of laid it
Speaker 7: all out despite the game not getting off to maybe
Speaker 7: the start that he wanted, I think was impressive. And
Speaker 7: I think, you know, he's somebody that you definitely want
Speaker 7: to see more from here as.
Speaker 5: We move toward the end of the year.
Speaker 3: Yeah, a guy that can battle through a little adversity
Speaker 3: like trying to make a connection on the Martron Market
Speaker 3: Show this morning, Man, Walter, I had some good questions
Speaker 3: lined up too. Fun fact, did you know that Blade's
Speaker 3: real name is actually Jansen spelt j A n z
Speaker 3: E N. I gotta get the origin story. But sounds
Speaker 3: like we don't have the connection anywhere, Walter, do we.
Speaker 5: No, we don't.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're we're gonna have the reschedule that.
Speaker 7: Ah.
Speaker 3: Well, I apologize for the inconvenience, but once again, thank
Speaker 3: you for Blade for taking a few minutes out of
Speaker 3: your schedule. I'm sure he's gonna be a pretty busy
Speaker 3: guy over the next couple of weeks.
Speaker 5: Two.
Speaker 3: Middle name Blade, Yeah, middle name Blade, first name Jansen.
Speaker 3: I don't think that's a great I don't think I've
Speaker 3: ever met a Jansen in my life. Before you ever
Speaker 3: met a Blade. No, but at least I've seen a
Speaker 3: movie that was titled Blade. More familiar. But that's a
Speaker 3: pretty cool nickname. It is one Now, I don't know
Speaker 3: bal me Blazer. No, that's a different scene, that's a
Speaker 3: different reference. Maybe we should just pull the plug on
Speaker 3: this entire segment that was Blade tdwell in in l
Speaker 3: on the O my guest line this morning, sounds like
Speaker 3: we might need to make a better connection next time
Speaker 3: out in Texas, but we will connect with the Giants
Speaker 3: pregame show this morning at ten thirty five am.
Speaker 5: JD myself will.
Speaker 3: Take you all the way up to the award winning
Speaker 3: Diamond notes and the first pitch in Giants pregame starting
Speaker 3: at ten thirty five. We'll take a quick break, work
Speaker 3: on our phone connections and continue more Giants reaction, maybe
Speaker 3: a little forty nine er talk and Warriors talk next
Speaker 3: on The Sports Leader K andbr.
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Speaker 8: Woohoo.
Speaker 3: Nothing like live radio on fifty thousand watts. It is
Speaker 3: the Murph and Marcus Show on a Wednesday morning.
Speaker 5: Murph smartly took three days of vacation.
Speaker 3: I'm sure he's got a better connection on the East
Speaker 3: Coast than what we just have with Blade Tidwell. Our
Speaker 3: apologies for not making the connection, but appreciate Blade Tidwell
Speaker 3: trying to take some time out of his schedule to
Speaker 3: join us this morning.
Speaker 5: It's pretty crazy, JD.
Speaker 3: In the year twenty twenty six, we just had a
Speaker 3: full interview yesterday with Tim Flannery, who literally drove to
Speaker 3: a top of a mountain to have a conversation with
Speaker 3: Murph and myself about the Wall of Fame ceremony going
Speaker 3: on this weekend. But we can't make a connection out
Speaker 3: on the field at Outland, Texas. Drop the ball on
Speaker 3: that one. But hey, Live Radio, we're giving it our
Speaker 3: best shot.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 7: We are all beholden to modern technology at every level,
Speaker 7: and sometimes it does boggle the mind how cell phones
Speaker 7: still in certain areas, even in twenty twenty six, can
Speaker 7: be as unreliable as that one wound up being. It
Speaker 7: sometimes just part of the deal, as Zakruco would say,
Speaker 7: it's say it's a big league hang with him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was another haha of a Murph and Marks interview.
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Speaker 3: But regardless, if we're working through some adversity in the
Speaker 3: first interview with Blade Sidwell, or it was Blade Tidwell
Speaker 3: yesterday working through some adversity in the first inning, I
Speaker 3: thought it was a nice showcase in Blade Tidwell's first
Speaker 3: career start as a member of the San Francisco Giants
Speaker 3: to get through that first inning after thirty two pitches,
Speaker 3: after some tough look to lock back in give you
Speaker 3: five innings. Sounded like he was a bit disappointed that
Speaker 3: he did not get to the sixth inning and had
Speaker 3: to put a little extra pressure on the Giants bullpen,
Speaker 3: a Giants bullpen that kept him in this game until,
Speaker 3: of course, they were walked off in the ninth inning.
Speaker 3: But overall, big picture, I think Blade Tidwell's performance yesterday
Speaker 3: and the openings in the rotation after the trade deadline
Speaker 3: shows us that we're going to see a few more
Speaker 3: opportunities down the road for Blade didwell.
Speaker 7: I think you could see from the way that he
Speaker 7: pitched last night why the Giants like him in terms
Speaker 7: of his makeup, and I think in the short time
Speaker 7: that we were able to talk to him, I think
Speaker 7: you could tell he does fit the mold of that
Speaker 7: more serious, focused, wants to hone in and be a bulldog,
Speaker 7: you know, get deep in the game type of a
Speaker 7: pitcher that, again the Giants want, led by Logan Webb,
Speaker 7: to be a part of their future pitching da as
Speaker 7: they look to kind of revamp the whole pitching within
Speaker 7: the organization and have done that here over the last month.
Speaker 3: Really yeah, and we'll see how big of a part
Speaker 3: of the plan he is moving forward and part of
Speaker 3: the bus or posey plan. Because, for those of you
Speaker 3: who are not aware, Blade Tidwell, as we talked about,
Speaker 3: was traded over nearly a year ago from the New
Speaker 3: York Mets in the Tyler Rogers trade. So as we're
Speaker 3: sitting here kind of recapping all the pitching prospects that
Speaker 3: the Giants just got earlier this week, this is a
Speaker 3: guy that you can't forget about, a guy that's going
Speaker 3: to get an opportunity, regardless if it's in the starting rotation,
Speaker 3: maybe even as a bullpen arm. This is a guy
Speaker 3: that got his first save of his career in his
Speaker 3: first appearance by the Giants this year, had that rare
Speaker 3: three inning save, showed a little bit of higher velocity
Speaker 3: earlier this year when he's coming out of the bullpen,
Speaker 3: showed some of those flashes of ninety six ninety seven,
Speaker 3: ninety eight miles per hour. Yesterday mix it into two
Speaker 3: seam four scene was ninety one ninety two getting him
Speaker 3: to ninety four ninety five. I thought he showed a
Speaker 3: a very nice slider slash sweeper.
Speaker 5: With some of that movement.
Speaker 3: Had nine whiffs on the day, ended up with three strikeouts,
Speaker 3: and is also mixing it a new change up into
Speaker 3: his arsenal as well. So something to keep an eye
Speaker 3: on as we move forward with all these Giants top
Speaker 3: pitching prospects. Another one making his debut today, Carson Wizenheim.
Speaker 5: Not his debut. What am I talking about, you fool?
Speaker 3: I've actually been at the ballpark to see the whiz
Speaker 3: kid on the bubb Hope kicking it off today ten
Speaker 3: thirty five pregame eleven thirty five first pitch. But let's
Speaker 3: talk about some of those prospects that the Giants just
Speaker 3: got at this year's trade deadline.
Speaker 5: Coming up next, we will review.
Speaker 3: Some of the Buster Posey trades, what they plan on doing,
Speaker 3: and what the future holds for the San Francisco Giants.
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Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 8: I guess you can characterize it with how you want.
Speaker 8: I wouldn't necessarily say a rebuild. I mean, obviously we
Speaker 8: moved some some six major league players off of our
Speaker 8: roster today. I guess the messages is we're not satisfied
Speaker 8: with the way that we've played this year in the
Speaker 8: last few years, and we're trying everything we can to
Speaker 8: to continue to build a product that that we can
Speaker 8: all be, you know, excited to come and watch. And
Speaker 8: that was really the goal. And this is can we
Speaker 8: even if we have to subtract a little bit now,
Speaker 8: can we potentially add some players that we think our
Speaker 8: fans are going to be excited about and hopefully wear
Speaker 8: a Giant's uniform for a long time.
Speaker 3: Buster Posey earlier this week after the trade deadline, talking
Speaker 3: about whether or not you want to call this a rebuild,
Speaker 3: a retooling, a reshuffling of the major league roster and
Speaker 3: the minor league organization as well. Buster Posey phone line
Speaker 3: dependent will join us tomorrow morning at seven thirty for
Speaker 3: the Giants Executive Show, so JD and myself will have
Speaker 3: plenty of opportunities to ask Buster Posey about each and
Speaker 3: every one of these moves that he made on Monday.
Speaker 3: Even going back to Sunday night, with Tyler Mawley being
Speaker 3: the first trade piece traded away to the Atlanta Braves,
Speaker 3: Giants end up trading away six active players off the
Speaker 3: major league roster. This comes one year after they decided
Speaker 3: to trade away three different pieces off the major league
Speaker 3: roster last year. JD Murph and I were discussing this earlier.
Speaker 3: I know you're a diehard Giants fan, born and raised.
Speaker 3: I don't think I've ever seen a sell off this
Speaker 3: big in Giants' history, Like, even beyond the prospects that
Speaker 3: they got back, I think the messaging might even be
Speaker 3: bigger of the Giants finally putting their foot down and
Speaker 3: saying we're going in a certain dire.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think so, although I do still think they're
Speaker 7: trying to have their cake and eat it too a
Speaker 7: little bit because it doesn't feel I think, because there
Speaker 7: are still many veterans still on the roster and projected
Speaker 7: to be everyday players Logan Web obviously still at the
Speaker 7: front of the rotation.
Speaker 5: It still doesn't feel like this is a.
Speaker 7: Rebuild to me as much as it really is for
Speaker 7: you three years down the line. But I just keep
Speaker 7: coming back to the fact that the Giant's ultimate goal
Speaker 7: is going to be to try to cobble together a
Speaker 7: team that can compete and contend in twenty twenty seven,
Speaker 7: and maybe not. Maybe the nature of what twenty twenty
Speaker 7: seven is it means you ride it out if it's
Speaker 7: a one hundred game season or an eighty game season
Speaker 7: or something, or even no season, shudder to think about that.
Speaker 5: But if it wound up being.
Speaker 7: A shorter season, maybe they would be more inclined to
Speaker 7: just ride out some of the open spots with younger
Speaker 7: players and then just take another year of the veteran
Speaker 7: players that in some ways they're stuck with and just
Speaker 7: get closer at that point to the next wave that
Speaker 7: would be upcoming. Because I do think some of these
Speaker 7: guys are going to start to be here in twenty
Speaker 7: eight and then more in twenty nine, and it feels
Speaker 7: like twenty nine, thirty and beyond that's when a lot
Speaker 7: of these guys obviously would would project to be up.
Speaker 7: So I think they're leaving themselves a little bit of
Speaker 7: flexibility as to the path at which they look to
Speaker 7: choose for twenty twenty seven based on what twenty twenty
Speaker 7: seven looks like overall in Major League Baseball.
Speaker 5: But I don't know.
Speaker 7: I just I'm left still feeling like, yes, they did
Speaker 7: what they could, but they could have really looked to
Speaker 7: do more. And I don't think I would have viewed
Speaker 7: it negatively had they looked to do more. But they
Speaker 7: still don't want the perception attached to them of what
Speaker 7: trading a logan web trading at jung Hulei potentially would
Speaker 7: have look like we all know what it would look
Speaker 7: like if you trade Devers or a dabis or chat
Speaker 7: then right like that.
Speaker 5: That's again those are obvious ones.
Speaker 7: But they didn't draw the line at you know, the
Speaker 7: player in my opinion, that would have netted by far
Speaker 7: the most, which is which is web and and so
Speaker 7: I again, I understand why they why they didn't look
Speaker 7: to make that move completely. We've we've well documented that,
Speaker 7: but there is still a notion of sort of keeping
Speaker 7: appearances up on the one end of competing in veteran
Speaker 7: laden while also on the back end really trying.
Speaker 5: To do the do the rebuilding.
Speaker 3: And we know that appearance matters to this organization because
Speaker 3: as bad as this team has been all season long,
Speaker 3: with the record reflecting that they're still one of the
Speaker 3: top ballparks in the country when it comes to attendance,
Speaker 3: there's still people showing up. And I would say even
Speaker 3: the attendance numbers are higher this year than in previous seasons,
Speaker 3: where maybe you're getting a better product on the field,
Speaker 3: but there wasn't that name recognition from the fan base. Now,
Speaker 3: the question is how important is name recognition. Is it
Speaker 3: more important for selling tickets or is it more important
Speaker 3: for winning ball games? Bus or Posey tried to do both.
Speaker 3: He tried to bring in guys that do have name recognition.
Speaker 3: Willie Damis, as many warts and flaws as he has,
Speaker 3: he was the best available shortstop in that offseason. So
Speaker 3: he went out and gave out the biggest contract in Giants' history,
Speaker 3: a contract that they might regret now just a few
Speaker 3: years into it. But still he went out and brought
Speaker 3: it in a name, and I would say the first
Speaker 3: couple months, the first year, even after William Domus kind
Speaker 3: of got through that slow streak last year, he turned
Speaker 3: into kind of a Giants favorite. I'd said the same
Speaker 3: thing about Jong Ho Lee, who has dealt with some issues,
Speaker 3: He's turned into a Giants favorite. They made a blockbuster
Speaker 3: trade which Giants fans were begging for, to bring in
Speaker 3: Rafael Devers. That's a box office move that sells tickets.
Speaker 3: Now they're still stuck with all these players, they'll be
Speaker 3: trying to compete. They'll still have the luxury of selling tickets.
Speaker 3: It's the problem is, I think at the end of
Speaker 3: the day, Giants fans want to see you win games.
Speaker 3: They're not concerned with their ticket sales, and you know,
Speaker 3: somewhat breaking even. I'm trying to break even. I'm trying
Speaker 3: to break a five hundred record. I'm trying to get
Speaker 3: back to the postseason. The question is can they build
Speaker 3: around these pieces, Can they fill in the rest of
Speaker 3: the roster between the contracts that they are stuck.
Speaker 7: With that's the level at which they want to go
Speaker 7: veteran at some of those spots I think is the
Speaker 7: biggest question mark in the offseason. I'm also curious, I
Speaker 7: want to get your thoughts on this, how you think
Speaker 7: it's going to work with Tony Vatello, because the other
Speaker 7: shift has been, well, Tony's built to manage young guys.
Speaker 5: It's been a nice.
Speaker 7: Little deflection pivot toward the complete opposite of what the
Speaker 7: original goal was, which is, hey, Tony's going to come
Speaker 7: in and invigorate this veteran laden team on the margins,
Speaker 7: to get this team closer to the five hundred drek
Speaker 7: that they've been essentially for the last four years coming
Speaker 7: into this year.
Speaker 5: That failed for a.
Speaker 7: Lot of reasons, which are not all or even many
Speaker 7: most attached to Tony Vitello in fairness. But on the
Speaker 7: one hand, again there's the appearance of, hey, this is
Speaker 7: a young team now, and Tony's going to manage all
Speaker 7: these young guys and this is what he's equipped to do,
Speaker 7: and you're trying to reframe I think his security on
Speaker 7: a certain level. Well, at the same time, you're still
Speaker 7: going to have a lot of veterans that are projected
Speaker 7: to be, and so how are they going to feel
Speaker 7: about this shift, even though they're going to be well
Speaker 7: paid toward an emphasis on younger players. I think in
Speaker 7: some ways the onus is going to be on Vitello,
Speaker 7: maybe even more than before, to kind of blend it
Speaker 7: all together and keep everybody harmonious.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think theoretically it makes sense that Tony would have
Speaker 3: success with younger players because of his personality, because of
Speaker 3: how much success he had at Tennessee winning ball games
Speaker 3: and as a recruiter. But I still think there's questions
Speaker 3: moving forward when it comes to credibility, because, yeah, it's
Speaker 3: nice when you have Blade Tidwell and Drew Gilbert and
Speaker 3: Gavin Keelan in the system, all guys that you coach
Speaker 3: at Tennessee, you have their respect. Now, this was a
Speaker 3: question coming into the season when it came to veterans.
Speaker 3: Of course, we had the Rafael Devers situation with the
Speaker 3: finger wag in Tampa Bay. There's been a couple other
Speaker 3: cases where maybe veteran players don't respect him as much.
Speaker 3: But my counter argument would be a lot of these
Speaker 3: rookies who are now making their debut have rode the
Speaker 3: bus in the minor leagues. They've done stuff that Tony
Speaker 3: Vitello have not done. Now, that's a fair question to ask.
Speaker 3: It was a fair question to ask nearly a year
Speaker 3: ago when they made the announcement that Tony Vitello would
Speaker 3: be the next manager of the San Francisco Giants.
Speaker 5: And that's got to be.
Speaker 3: A part of the plan, a part of the learning process,
Speaker 3: and Tony Vitello's gonna be able to adjust, or he
Speaker 3: should be able to adjust. I really don't care about
Speaker 3: the age of the players. Tony Vitello has got to
Speaker 3: be a good manager, regardless if he's coaching guys in
Speaker 3: their thirties or coaching guys in the twenties, because at
Speaker 3: the end of the day, he's the one pressing the buttons,
Speaker 3: he's the one making the calls, he's the one putting
Speaker 3: together the lineup.
Speaker 5: How do you define good manager, Bruce.
Speaker 3: Bochee, No, No, I'm riffing obviously.
Speaker 5: Yeah. I mean it comes down to the in game decisions.
Speaker 3: And it's a lot tougher to make these decisions at
Speaker 3: the big league level than at the college level, because
Speaker 3: when you're dealing with the college schedule, you got your Friday, Saturday,
Speaker 3: Sunday starter, you've got all your bullpen arms lined up.
Speaker 3: They can maybe pitch once twice, maybe three times in
Speaker 3: a three game weekend series. We saw earlier this year
Speaker 3: there were multiple times where Tony's running out bullpen arms
Speaker 3: two three days in a row. Keaton wins a great example,
Speaker 3: three straight games with more than twenty pitches. Next thing
Speaker 3: you know, he's on the il. So to me, maybe
Speaker 3: that's a bit of mismanagement when you're looking at him
Speaker 3: trying to coach a week long series or should I
Speaker 3: say five and six in a week sure versus three
Speaker 3: games over a weekend, Like those are just maybe some
Speaker 3: of the smaller nuances when it comes to managing a
Speaker 3: big league team compared to managing a college.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and we've seen him put who you would think
Speaker 7: or maybe some of the higher leverage arms in some
Speaker 7: different situations, like we've seen like Caleb Killian had had
Speaker 7: been the closer and then he didn't perform well in
Speaker 7: the closer role, but actually had been pretty good in
Speaker 7: setup roles. But then he's coming into games when you're
Speaker 7: down five to one on a you know, on a
Speaker 7: random day, and then it's like, well, wait a minute,
Speaker 7: you might need him the next day when you're ahead
Speaker 7: four to two and the seventh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if he's a closer, why is he pitching in
Speaker 3: a non safe situation or just but or even just
Speaker 3: if he's one of your setup guys that you want
Speaker 3: to pitch primarily in games where you're ahead, why are
Speaker 3: you bringing him in when you're down five to one
Speaker 3: at all, just to get through an inning that you
Speaker 3: would be obviously a role for somebody that's maybe down
Speaker 3: more on the pecking order.
Speaker 7: That that's interesting because I think I actually think it's
Speaker 7: for this year. It's not even about in game decisions,
Speaker 7: because it's hard to say in game decisions can be
Speaker 7: how you grade him when winning and losing is really
Speaker 7: not a part of the part of the equation anymore.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And circling back to the bigger issue of it
Speaker 3: being tough for Tony Vattelo to make those decisions of
Speaker 3: the bullpen with the bullpen that was presented to him
Speaker 3: before the season started.
Speaker 7: Also fair, also fair, So I think it's tricky, it's
Speaker 7: it's there is gonna be this sort of I don't know, mythical,
Speaker 7: uh subjective evaluation of barring them just winning a lot
Speaker 7: of games, and looking like a completely different team being
Speaker 7: more you know, led by some of these younger players
Speaker 7: as they get more opportunities, which I think we've we've seen,
Speaker 7: you know, even in this series already through two games,
Speaker 7: it's like it's probably just you know, they're gonna win some,
Speaker 7: they're gonna lose some, They're probably gonna lose more, they're
Speaker 7: gonna win, and they would project to be less talented
Speaker 7: between now and the end of the season.
Speaker 5: So I think it's interesting.
Speaker 7: But I think it's interesting how he gets evaluated because
Speaker 7: I think the shift in the narrative, so to speak,
Speaker 7: has been well, this buys him some time and buys
Speaker 7: him some security because now winning isn't important and it's
Speaker 7: more about development and things that are I think a
Speaker 7: little bit more ambiguous to be able to determine on
Speaker 7: a losing team.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I think the remaining games this season is
Speaker 3: not only about the development of some of the younger players,
Speaker 3: but also the development of Tony Vitello. And I'm looking
Speaker 3: to see him maybe interact more with the Bruce Bochie,
Speaker 3: a Dusty Baker guys out around the organization, Ron Washington
Speaker 3: in the dugout, like maybe he can develop as a
Speaker 3: manager as well as some of these players. Definitely a
Speaker 3: storyline that we will keep an eye on moving forward
Speaker 3: as we get closer and closer. The first pitch today
Speaker 3: at eleven thirty five, Tony Vitello did announce that Carson
Speaker 3: wasn't an is starting today. So on the other side,
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Speaker 4: First pitch is hit toward left down the line.
Speaker 3: It's deep paid.
Speaker 4: That baby is gone. This game is tied at two
Speaker 4: oh slaves bus save on the first pitch he sees
Speaker 4: Drives went out to left. It just and I mean
Speaker 4: just got over the wall in left field. Gilbert score
Speaker 4: And how about that? The Sabi's third home run of
Speaker 4: the year, and it's a big one. It ties the
Speaker 4: game here in the seventh and eight.
Speaker 3: Oh Slaves Basabe hotter than Wasabe his third home run
Speaker 3: in the last four games for the San Francisco Giants,
Speaker 3: and get used to hearing that name, because you might
Speaker 3: be seeing some more Basabe in your life. A lot
Speaker 3: of different names that you're gonna see moving forward. After
Speaker 3: the Giants traded away six players from the active roster
Speaker 3: earlier this week, but we do have an injury update
Speaker 3: for you on a player that was recently on the
Speaker 3: active roster. He's been inactive since July first. Now it's
Speaker 3: been over a month since we've seen Matt Chapman, so
Speaker 3: let's check in on Chappie in today's Stanford Healthcare Health
Speaker 3: Report sponsored by Stanford Healthcare and Matt Chapman, who's been
Speaker 3: dealing with that abdominal strain for over a month now.
Speaker 3: We got an update yesterday before the show Tony Vytello
Speaker 3: that Matt Chapman will be flying out the Philadelphia for
Speaker 3: another evaluation with a specialist to see how severe that
Speaker 3: abdominal strain is. Surgery is a possibility, and there is
Speaker 3: a chance that Matt Chapman doesn't return to play another
Speaker 3: game for the San Francisco Giants this season, which would
Speaker 3: obviously open up another spot in this infield after the
Speaker 3: Giants traded away Luisa Rise and Casey Schmidt was shut
Speaker 3: down with a knee injury not too long ago. And
Speaker 3: that JD was our Stanford Healthcare Health Report sponsored by
Speaker 3: Stanford Healthcare. And I should tell you that you are
Speaker 3: listening to canbyr Am and Camb from San Francisco The
Speaker 3: Sports Leader, a Cumulus Media station. It feels like it's
Speaker 3: been quite some time since we've even talked about Matt Chapman.
Speaker 3: I know there was some rumblings about maybe him being
Speaker 3: a trade candidate with teams looking for a right handed
Speaker 3: bag and as streaky of a hit or that Matt
Speaker 3: Chapman is, we know how good the glove is defensively
Speaker 3: over on the hot corner. But with Casey Schmidt's kind
Speaker 3: of emergence before the injury, there were talks about maybe
Speaker 3: moving on from Matt Chapman. Sounds like Matt Chapman's not
Speaker 3: moving anywhere besides Philadelphia. The go see a specialist. I
Speaker 3: don't know, do you think that John should just shut
Speaker 3: it down and let the young kids play at this point,
Speaker 3: or do you think Matt Chapman has anything to prove
Speaker 3: by trying to come back this year.
Speaker 7: I don't think there's anything to prove. I think you
Speaker 7: want to make sure that you're healthy for next year.
Speaker 7: You also want to make sure that that should there
Speaker 7: come an opportunity to move him, if you can find
Speaker 7: in the offseason maybe a spot for him that he
Speaker 7: would accept with the trade the no trade clause. I
Speaker 7: think that's the pivot that you have to try to
Speaker 7: move to. So to me, at this point, with wins
Speaker 7: and losses and player you know, wins and losses, not
Speaker 7: party equation, player development a bigger part of the equation.
Speaker 5: Shut him down at this point.
Speaker 7: Let him, Let him make sure that he's healthy and
Speaker 7: good to go heading into the offseason, because any kind
Speaker 7: of lingering injury question would completely eliminate the prospect of
Speaker 7: being able to move him, whether that's an off season
Speaker 7: conversation or should it be some kind of an injury
Speaker 7: that ends up lingering into next year or coming back.
Speaker 7: So if you have the ability to knock that injury out,
Speaker 7: you gotta do it.
Speaker 3: It's kind of a similar situation not apples to apples,
Speaker 3: and it seems a little bit severe now with Matt Chapman,
Speaker 3: that with Willia Domas, who has been dealing with this
Speaker 3: back injury all season long, so much so to the
Speaker 3: point where he was just caught out by the Apple
Speaker 3: broadcast last Friday for not being available to work with
Speaker 3: Ron Washington on his defensive skill set as much as
Speaker 3: maybe Ron Washington or even Williadamas would prefer.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 3: Susan Slusser, a good friend from the San Franisco Chronicle,
Speaker 3: dropped an article and said, look, Willia Damas wants to
Speaker 3: work with Wash, but the back injury has been hampering
Speaker 3: and limiting some of those opportunities. It's kind of been
Speaker 3: one of the biggest question marks as Ron Washington has
Speaker 3: been able to revamp essentially everybody defensively turned Luise Rise
Speaker 3: into a GOL gov candidate. We know about the work
Speaker 3: with Matt Chapman, but Bryce Olvid, Rafael Devers, they've taken
Speaker 3: strides this year defensively as well. Willie Domas has not
Speaker 3: taken those strides. But circling back to the back injury,
Speaker 3: if this is a back injury that's been lingering on
Speaker 3: so much for WILLI Domas to the Giants entertain the
Speaker 3: thought process of maybe shunning him down.
Speaker 7: I think at some point they may very well look
Speaker 7: to do that, And again, no problem with it if
Speaker 7: the player is on board with it and it's something
Speaker 7: that can be calmed down. That would lead toward the
Speaker 7: belief that you're going to have a greater ability to
Speaker 7: be productive for next year. And look, they've got a
Speaker 7: decision to make on Adamis in terms of what position
Speaker 7: they're going to have him play next year because Luisa
Speaker 7: Rise is now gone onto Philadelphia, and so that opens
Speaker 7: the door. And I know we were mapping it out earlier,
Speaker 7: kind of going around the horn, you.
Speaker 5: Would project Susack.
Speaker 7: I would agree, I've come over to your side on that,
Speaker 7: and that you project Susack to be the ca at
Speaker 7: your you know, you know it's Devers and it's gonna
Speaker 7: be Eldridge first base, DH. You don't really know second
Speaker 7: base right now for the time being. Shortstop would be Adamas,
Speaker 7: third base Chapman, but you might move Adamas to second.
Speaker 7: If you do that, you need a shortstop and there's
Speaker 7: a hole there, and then what do you do in
Speaker 7: left field? I think Casey Schmid ends up filling one
Speaker 7: of those spots also, and then do you have your
Speaker 7: everyday center fielder in the mix in addition to that
Speaker 7: for next year. So there are spots that are open
Speaker 7: that are going to be filled, But there are also
Speaker 7: some question marks I think as it relates to where
Speaker 7: will Willy Adamas specifically play next year.
Speaker 3: And that's the intriguing thing with this team moving forward.
Speaker 3: After the trade deadline, I know that there were a
Speaker 3: lot of Giants fans who wanted to see the contract
Speaker 3: of Willie Domas or even Matt Chapman, or.
Speaker 5: Even throw Rafael Devers.
Speaker 3: Is that conversation of guys you wanted to move at
Speaker 3: this year's trade deadline, But it takes two to tango.
Speaker 3: You can't force another team to take on the contract.
Speaker 3: Now you do have the option of maybe buying down
Speaker 3: some of the contract, and that's going to be an
Speaker 3: option for the Giants this offseason moving forward. But to
Speaker 3: your point, after the quote fire cell earlier this week,
Speaker 3: there are still maybe seven guys who expect to see
Speaker 3: back in this Giants line up last year, from Sussac
Speaker 3: to Devers to Eldridge to a Domis to Chapman to
Speaker 3: jung Houli. Casey Schmidt is going to fill in at
Speaker 3: either left field or at second base.
Speaker 5: So really you're looking at.
Speaker 3: Two spots maybe being open left field and centerfield like
Speaker 3: like that.
Speaker 5: That's running back a lot of the same roster for.
Speaker 3: A team that's been eighteen nineteen games under five hundred
Speaker 3: the entire season and really has been a letdown for
Speaker 3: the preseason expectations.
Speaker 7: No doubt, and so that that's a lot to That's
Speaker 7: a lot to navigate.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a lot to navigate.
Speaker 7: And look, I think the Giants are trying to do
Speaker 7: the best they can in terms of the future part
Speaker 7: of it. As far as the three to four years
Speaker 7: down the line future, the question is going to become
Speaker 7: how much of the how much of the twenty twenty
Speaker 7: six immediate future can they look to correct and upon
Speaker 7: for twenty twenty seven.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean that's the question, even if there is
Speaker 5: a season in.
Speaker 7: Twenty twenty seven and look in maybe and maybe In fairness, again,
Speaker 7: not that they get credit for this, but it sort
Speaker 7: of works both ways in the sense that you know,
Speaker 7: one could say, hey, if you don't believe there's going
Speaker 7: to be a twenty twenty seven, then maybe you could
Speaker 7: have been more app to lean in and go harder
Speaker 7: at the trade deadline and maybe trade another veteran or
Speaker 7: two that was in the tradeable category.
Speaker 5: The flip side to that, though, is.
Speaker 7: Stan pat and know that maybe if there's a lesser year,
Speaker 7: next year's kind of inconsequential. No matter what, You're a
Speaker 7: year closer to where maybe some of these younger players
Speaker 7: are going to be actually on your roster, and you
Speaker 7: sort of stop gap it and oh, by the way,
Speaker 7: and this is a point that I think people don't
Speaker 7: always a shorter season benefits a team that projects to
Speaker 7: not be as good a short I think a shorter
Speaker 7: season like you could there are teams that maybe aren't
Speaker 7: built for one sixty two. Like like, if there's an
Speaker 7: if you tell me there's an eighty game season next year,
Speaker 7: the Giants have got a hell of a better chance
Speaker 7: next year of being in contention in an eighty game
Speaker 7: season that starts July first.
Speaker 3: Now would you say that's because of the length of
Speaker 3: the starting rotation, not having to eat any more innings,
Speaker 3: or what's a reason in behind that.
Speaker 7: I just think it's the I just think you can
Speaker 7: you see teams all the time that are that hang
Speaker 7: into five you know, are in and around five hundred
Speaker 7: for half a year that at some point fall off
Speaker 7: the map. Now, look, this year, it wouldn't have mattered
Speaker 7: because they fall off the map at the beginning. I mean,
Speaker 7: it's not a guarantee. I'm just saying you've got a
Speaker 7: better chance with fewer game The more you have to play,
Speaker 7: the more your flaws get exposed.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the more of an opportunity for things to fall apart.
Speaker 7: Well, the more the longer the season, the more things
Speaker 7: get exposed. And whether it's the beginning of the year
Speaker 7: or whenever, but I do think a shorter year.
Speaker 5: I mean again, look at look at twenty twenty.
Speaker 7: That twenty twenty Giants weren't good, but they were a
Speaker 7: game out of a playoff spot. Yeah, twenty nine and
Speaker 7: thirty one. Yeah, and look that might be an extreme
Speaker 7: version of it, but that team wasn't any good.
Speaker 5: No, and and it and it, and they were awful
Speaker 5: at the beginning of that year too.
Speaker 7: I think they're eight and sixteen twenty four games in
Speaker 7: and then played much better to have a.
Speaker 3: Shot, Yeah, and that always hides some of your problems
Speaker 3: when you think you have a shot at the end
Speaker 3: of the season.
Speaker 7: Yeah, so if you're trying to cobble it together for
Speaker 7: you know, for a for a who knows kind of
Speaker 7: a year, the short season.
Speaker 5: Again, I don't think the short season hurts the Giants
Speaker 5: at all. You don't.
Speaker 7: You know, you don't have to you don't have to
Speaker 7: pay guys that aren't playing, you know, if there's a
Speaker 7: lockout and a labor dispute, like you're you're still going
Speaker 7: to be developing a lot of these guys in the
Speaker 7: in the lower minor. Like it just it's kind of
Speaker 7: a you know, it sucks from a fans standpoint, because
Speaker 7: we all want to see baseball, and we all want
Speaker 7: to we all want to talk baseball. But but I
Speaker 7: think from an organizational stand point, it's sort of it's
Speaker 7: sort of one you can take for the greater good
Speaker 7: of being closer to where you think you're going to
Speaker 7: be significantly better. Yeah, right time on if you're trying
Speaker 7: to run out the clock essentially towards the time in
Speaker 7: which all these prospects come up that everybody's so high on,
Speaker 7: well a year that doesn't mean as much or matter
Speaker 7: as much from that standpoint. Or a year where you
Speaker 7: maybe don't maybe you could get by with not being
Speaker 7: as good as you'd have to be in one hundred
Speaker 7: and sixty two.
Speaker 5: That's an added benefit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then you're a year closer to the names
Speaker 3: like a Bo Davison or a Gavin Keeling or any
Speaker 3: of these prospects that you think can maybe make an
Speaker 3: impact in a year or two and maybe line up
Speaker 3: with that Bryce Eldridge timeline. And I think, circling back
Speaker 3: to the trade deadline, I think that's one of the
Speaker 3: reasons why they decided to part ways with a guy
Speaker 3: like Ellie Ramos, despite the fact that he was under
Speaker 3: three years of team control. You take away a year
Speaker 3: potentially due to the lockout. I know we're doing a
Speaker 3: lot of speculation, but that takes a year of team
Speaker 3: control away. But I also think this is a Giants
Speaker 3: organization that is obviously a lot more confident in their bats,
Speaker 3: not only at the big league level, but throughout the
Speaker 3: minor league systems as well, which is why you're willing
Speaker 3: to part on from a guy like Elliott Ramos to
Speaker 3: bring in Henry Lalani from the New York Yankees, to
Speaker 3: maybe move some bats, to bring in some more arms,
Speaker 3: because it's not a secret the Giants need more pitching
Speaker 3: if they're gonna compete with these three contracts on the roster,
Speaker 3: with Junghuli and with Logan Web.
Speaker 5: Guess what. They need help. They need help in the
Speaker 5: starting rotation.
Speaker 3: They need help in the bullpen badly, which is why
Speaker 3: you bring in some of these prospects. It's always a
Speaker 3: lottery ticket when you're talking about prospects in general. But
Speaker 3: you throw enough guards at the wall, you're hoping that
Speaker 3: some of them stick, regardless if that's in the starting
Speaker 3: rotation or in the bullpen. They need arms. They need
Speaker 3: arms badly, and I think that's why they were willing
Speaker 3: to trade some of the bats in some of the
Speaker 3: expiring contracts, like Elliot Ramos or even a Luis Rice.
Speaker 7: I think you're spot on, I mean, and they use
Speaker 7: the opportunity to revamp in areas in which they thought
Speaker 7: Elliott Ramos didn't fit necessarily into the future plans as
Speaker 7: a hitter and it is an everyday player, and I
Speaker 7: think his defense is part of that as much as
Speaker 7: he was a great teammate and somebody that was liked
Speaker 7: within that clubhouse. So yeah, they're trying to reset the
Speaker 7: pitching depth at a minimum, but I think the pitching
Speaker 7: talent at a maxiwall. Like we pitching depth, pitching depth,
Speaker 7: pitching depth. You hear that thrown around all the time.
Speaker 7: Give me some pitching. You need pitching depth, not poo
Speaker 7: poo in that, but give me pitching talent. And like,
Speaker 7: I'm more focused on the talent projected of these guys,
Speaker 7: which on paper, again by those in the know, they're
Speaker 7: talented dudes.
Speaker 3: And I think that's one of the biggest differences. As
Speaker 3: we were talking about earlier this morning, with the Giants
Speaker 3: going out last year at the trade deadline, seemed like
Speaker 3: they got maybe more quantity than quality with some of
Speaker 3: the prospects that they picked up. Now, Blade Tidwell was
Speaker 3: one of those examples that got the start last night.
Speaker 3: We talked to him for a few seconds earlier today
Speaker 3: on the show, but he was a guy that was
Speaker 3: a second round draft pick. It seems like some of
Speaker 3: these prospects this year are even more highly regarded than
Speaker 3: a Blade Tidwell or some of the arms.
Speaker 5: That you picked up the last couple of years.
Speaker 3: Definitely, and that's the thing you need, Like, if we
Speaker 3: all have this pipe dream of eventually competing with the
Speaker 3: Dodgers and the Padres and the Cubes and the Brewers
Speaker 3: and some of the top teams in the National League.
Speaker 3: Guess what you need more than just guys that are
Speaker 3: gonna fill in as a four or the five in
Speaker 3: the rotation.
Speaker 5: You need a top of the end starter.
Speaker 3: You need an ace to pair up with Logan Web
Speaker 3: in case you ever do get back to a postseason series.
Speaker 7: Yes, although that then that begs the question, where's logan
Speaker 7: Web at that point when when you have that, which
Speaker 7: I think that the timelines could be off. Time will
Speaker 7: tell on that, but I think it's more likely than
Speaker 7: not the timelines are off on that. Even if even
Speaker 7: if you want logan Web to be on your roster,
Speaker 7: maybe at that point logan Web's a three that you
Speaker 7: like pitching in big games. I mean, there's plenty of
Speaker 7: threes and fours that pitch one in big games.
Speaker 3: Yeah, which was interesting When I'm talking like twenty twenty
Speaker 3: nine thirty. Then we're getting down the road, and Logan
Speaker 3: Web does have two more years left in his contract,
Speaker 3: but yeah, even down but it was interested in that.
Speaker 3: Buzzer Posy said that he expects them to be competitive
Speaker 3: in the next two years with logan Web on the roster.
Speaker 5: But what else.
Speaker 7: But that's but you have to say that if you're
Speaker 7: going to keep him, because again the reason you were
Speaker 7: going to keep him over not was because the messaging
Speaker 7: would have been if you trade him that you're quitting
Speaker 7: on next year, that you're waving the white flag. You're
Speaker 7: quitting on next year, you're waving the wife flag. You're
Speaker 7: expecting to be completely fully developmental on next year.
Speaker 5: May that was the whole note.
Speaker 7: That was I mean, in some way, that's the only
Speaker 7: reason you don't trade him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's a problem because you could have got
Speaker 3: a pretty big trade package back in return if you
Speaker 3: did make that decision.
Speaker 5: Giants did not make that decision.
Speaker 3: And when you're stuck with these contracts, you need pictures
Speaker 3: like logan Web to maybe help you compete.
Speaker 7: But you're not in my opinion, again, maybe we disagree
Speaker 7: on this. In my opinion, you're not keeping logan Web
Speaker 7: into twenty twenty six because you want him to be
Speaker 7: part of your rotation in twenty thirty with these other
Speaker 7: dudes like that, Like that's that's too far.
Speaker 5: A bridge from me.
Speaker 3: That would be what a thirty two, thirty three year
Speaker 3: old logan web, which I wouldn't put him past them,
Speaker 3: but it would be past maybe his prime peak age
Speaker 3: as a pitcher in Major league bags.
Speaker 5: And that's what I'm saying. That's the timeframe that I'm saying.
Speaker 7: Maybe he's like a three at that point, a two
Speaker 7: or a three.
Speaker 5: That would be a guy you would wanted to begay.
Speaker 3: And maybe that's also worth the experience he brings to
Speaker 3: the rotation and maybe help some of these young pubs
Speaker 3: maybe take advantage of the art.
Speaker 7: If the other guys are loaded enough to to have
Speaker 7: that be the case, then it could work. Like it's
Speaker 7: there's no absolute in saying that it wouldn't work.
Speaker 5: I just think that the timeline for me.
Speaker 7: On this, which is why I was so adamant and
Speaker 7: that I would look to move him, doesn't seem to fit.
Speaker 5: It fits the it fits the.
Speaker 7: Desired to call yourself competitive and not wave the white
Speaker 7: flag for the next two years.
Speaker 5: It fits that.
Speaker 7: It doesn't fit the we want this guy to lead
Speaker 7: a rotation full of the guys that they've just acquired
Speaker 7: here in the last month.
Speaker 3: You're saying the math ain't math, and well, no math
Speaker 3: has added up for the Giants this year, forty eight
Speaker 3: and sixty six on the season. But we'll see if
Speaker 3: guys like Carson Wizna, who's starting today's game, will have
Speaker 3: a chance, so maybe claim one of these rotation spots
Speaker 3: moving forward. But let's get outside of the Giants for
Speaker 3: a minute. Big debuts around the league with some new
Speaker 3: Giants in new places and Scooble making his Dodger debut.
Speaker 3: Let's go around the league before we start pregame at
Speaker 3: ten thirty five this morning with your award winning Diamond Notes.
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