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Speaker 1: It's the Ray Appleton Podcast from KMJ and kmjnow dot com.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to KMJ and time to doctor robots. How

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Speaker 2: would that be? I wonder if we finally came to

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Speaker 2: that point where robots were working for us and Elon

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Speaker 2: Musk got his way. He said today that the company

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Speaker 2: is planning to make its Optimist robots available for sale

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Speaker 2: to you and me by the end of twenty twenty seven.

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Speaker 2: Now where did we get this information from Elon Musk?

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Speaker 2: Where else? Davos, Switzerland Economic Forum. Baby when asked during

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Speaker 2: a discussion with the Blackrock CEO and interim WEF co

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Speaker 2: chair Larry Fink about when Tessa's Optimist robots is going

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Speaker 2: to be deployed, and we're talking about my deployed. We

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Speaker 2: don't mean in a Wars setting, but you know, in manufacturing settings,

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Speaker 2: humanoid robots will advance very quickly. We do have some

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Speaker 2: of the Tesla Optimist robots doing very simple tasks at

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Speaker 2: the factory, so seys Musk probably later this year, by

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Speaker 2: the end of next year, for sure, I think they're

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Speaker 2: going to be doing more complex tasks and they'll be

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Speaker 2: deployed in an industrial environment. Yeah, you know, start them

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Speaker 2: there and keep them there, Thank you very much. By

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Speaker 2: the end of next year, I think we'll be selling

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Speaker 2: the humanoid robots. So humanoid they're going to have our features.

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Speaker 2: How Oh, and that's when we're confident that it's very

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Speaker 2: there's going to be a very you know, high reliability

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Speaker 2: and a very high safety factor and a very great

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Speaker 2: range of functionality. Makes me all very nervous. I think

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Speaker 2: this is all very high. You basically can ask it

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Speaker 2: to do anything you like. Oh, you're making me nervous.

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Speaker 2: You're making me there, Testlea's optimist robot. Oh, there's one

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Speaker 2: is expected to look like Will Smith. Is expected to

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Speaker 2: go on sale to the public soon. I've already said that,

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Speaker 2: and the humanoid robots and robots will eventually outnumber humans. Ah,

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Speaker 2: explaining that I think everybody on earth is going to

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Speaker 2: have the one that they want. Yes, everybody in the

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Speaker 2: studio shaking their head. No freaking way. Who wouldn't want

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Speaker 2: a robot, assuming that it's very safe to watch over

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Speaker 2: the kids, take care of your pets, if you have

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Speaker 2: elderly parents, if you if you have a lot of friends, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: a lot of friends of mine said that they have

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Speaker 2: a need for you know, robots for their elderly parents.

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Speaker 2: And I don't know about this, ladies, And I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I don't know for no, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Well, you just made the comment it watches your kids, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: So what happens if you're at work and your kids

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Speaker 3: act up at home and the robot decides to discipline

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Speaker 3: your children?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Would it do that? Does it make choices like that?

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Speaker 2: Does it call you and ask you what you ray?

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Speaker 2: I need to paddle the young one. I need to

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Speaker 2: break its neck off with Yeah, yeah, I mean Elon Musk,

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Speaker 2: he's a future in this with a lot of humanoid

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Speaker 2: robots to be used around the world. Was There was

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Speaker 2: a post I think the day before yesterday on x

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Speaker 2: in social media about the UH production of the Cybercab,

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Speaker 2: noting that there's still remain challenges with the robotic action

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Speaker 2: of that. So if there's still problems with the cybercab,

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Speaker 2: how can he tell us that the humanoid robots are

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Speaker 2: somewhat perfective? You know, I don't think a humanoid robot

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Speaker 2: I think it's all they're all on their own.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 2: But Musk says It's always important to note, and there's

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Speaker 2: a caveat, that the initial production is always very slow

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Speaker 2: and follows an S curve. Okay, the speed of the

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Speaker 2: production ramp is inversely proportionate to how many new parts

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Speaker 2: and steps there are. For the cybercab and optimists, almost

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Speaker 2: everything is new, so the early production rate will be

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Speaker 2: agonizingly slow but eventually end up being insanely fast. That's

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Speaker 2: a good way to get out of it. He in

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Speaker 2: good way. But listen to the experts telling us that

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Speaker 2: scaling the humanoid robots is technically very complex, and it's

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Speaker 2: in part because of a lack of evidence and data

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Speaker 2: that is needed to train the AI models that underpin

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Speaker 2: the robots behavior. That goes back to what you were

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Speaker 2: asking about, Josh, you know, I mean that's the program

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Speaker 3: I'm just saying I've seen the movie Megan and it

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Speaker 3: didn't end.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, no it didn't, So I mean the robot

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Speaker 2: has to have a lot of training. Otherwise, if the

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Speaker 2: robot has seen too many slasher movies, we know where

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Speaker 2: this is going to go, and it's not going to

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Speaker 2: be good. You know, I'm going to use this knife

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Speaker 2: to remove the child's head and maybe it will obey. Oh,

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Speaker 2: I took it. I did that. But now that the

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Speaker 2: legs aren't working. See, this is why it scares me.

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Speaker 2: Quote for optimists, while they the market in the need,

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Speaker 2: that the need is credible evidence of scalable manufacturing a

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Speaker 2: regulatory path, and unit economists say, if this is all possible,

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Speaker 2: they can stick to that twenty twenty seven deadline. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: all right, good luck. Would you have a robot? How soon?

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Speaker 2: Would you have a robot working for you in your

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Speaker 2: home taking care of your elderly parents, doing your home chores?

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Speaker 2: What do you need to see before this is something

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Speaker 2: that is a provable tech? Approven approven technology to you

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Speaker 2: and you say, okay, I'm ready, I'm ready to spend

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Speaker 2: the money, and yeah, and what do you need to see?

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Speaker 2: It's what I'm asking four nine zero fifty eight fifty

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Speaker 2: eight, eight hundred and seven seven six fifty eight to fifty eight.

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Speaker 2: What do you need to see to you know, make

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Speaker 2: you feel that it's safe and that you're in good

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Speaker 2: hands and that your robot is right for whatever it

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Speaker 2: is you want the robot to do, to change the bed,

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Speaker 2: to do the vacuuming, to take care of mom and

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Speaker 2: dad all of that, or is it just no, No,

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Speaker 2: I can't do this. I'm not ready yet. I'm not

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Speaker 2: ready yet. And if that's the case, you know you

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Speaker 2: may never be ready, never be ready. Think about that

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Speaker 2: and give me a shout. I think I want to

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Speaker 2: hear from you because I'm looking for confidence in my

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Speaker 2: own set of circumstances of what I would need to

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Speaker 2: see before I could. I could go along with it

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Speaker 2: and say, Okay, we can do this now, you know,

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Speaker 2: because it makes me incredibly nervous, it really really does.

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Speaker 2: We have to break for news and we will do that.

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Speaker 2: Hopefully we'll have a call or two. I don't expect

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Speaker 2: you to jump all over the phones and answer this

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Speaker 2: one very quickly. Oh yeah, I got it down, Ray,

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Speaker 2: I know exactly what. No, you don't, but hey, I

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Speaker 2: trust you. You've been a good audience for almost thirty

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Speaker 2: nine years. What do you need to see that tells

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Speaker 2: you you're ready for a robot? I'm ready for a

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Speaker 2: robot and the phones are open. We'll continue on KINGMJ

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Speaker 2: with CAMJ News Update. Liz, what do you need to see. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I think every woman would want that and that's enough. Yeah, no,

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Speaker 2: I'm there. If I can have a robot that did

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Speaker 2: the household chores and the laundry and the dishes of

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Speaker 2: the household chores, that's easy. That'd be all I want.

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Speaker 2: That would really would be all I want. Cooking is

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Speaker 2: kind of fun. Well, I mean, if there is such

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Speaker 2: a thing, I'm in oh geez see now you know,

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Speaker 2: but for something like that, you would think that there

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Speaker 2: would have to be en up charge, right, I'm not

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Speaker 2: going to be giving that technology away. She Yeah, that's

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Speaker 2: I mean, you just get them down to peanut butter

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Speaker 3: Actually, Elon says they're going to be about thirty thousand dollars,

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Speaker 3: so it's a price of a car. It's not much.

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Speaker 2: We have a surprising number of calls everybody in the

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Speaker 2: favorability wanting a robot. I want a robot. Fabian, Fabian,

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Speaker 2: what a great name, Fabian. You want a robot? And

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Speaker 2: why oh?

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Speaker 1: I would mainly for my dad. He's a very plegic.

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Speaker 1: And I think that'd be a great health brand, especially

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Speaker 1: since you needs a lot of attention. In twenty four

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Speaker 1: to seven.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, if the science were perfected down to something like that,

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Speaker 2: I totally agree you would you would trust a robot

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Speaker 2: with your father.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the way AI is right now, I'm pretty

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Speaker 1: sure it will be safe. And uh, I mean, well

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Speaker 1: he's already lived in years. Well what can they really do?

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Speaker 2: But what what may I ask? Is your father's problem?

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Speaker 2: God bless your dad? What's the problem he got?

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Speaker 1: He got hurt try graving and uh, he suffers from diabetes.

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Speaker 1: And he a metal rod hit his foot. So when

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Speaker 1: the when he when he was at the hospital, the

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Speaker 1: it off his leg and he has to say clay

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Speaker 1: for like a year and then uh, he was he

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Speaker 1: got an accident where his leg came off by accident.

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Speaker 1: He just hit the core, hit the back of his

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Speaker 1: head and he can ever since then he's been paralyzed. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's going on already, he's going on three or four

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Speaker 2: How old is he?

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Speaker 1: H He's from nineteen sixty two, So I wouldn't I

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Speaker 2: Well he's young compared to me. Well, all right, fabyan,

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Speaker 2: I get it, I get it. Why you would you

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Speaker 2: would like something like that? Thank you? For calling that.

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Speaker 2: Go ahead, Yeah, no.

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Speaker 1: Go ahead, especially since he has all especially he has

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Speaker 1: all his is and uh, everybody be busy with their

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Speaker 1: working in life, so we don't have We can't be

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Speaker 1: the twenty four seven for him. So I think that

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Speaker 1: would be like better better alternative for him too, since

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Speaker 1: he needs scared of twenty four seven.

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Speaker 2: All right, bro, you thank you for your sake. I

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Speaker 2: hope we wind up something like that someday so your

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Speaker 2: dad can be comfortable, comfortable, comfortable, comfortable, Chuck, why do

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Speaker 2: you want a robot?

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Speaker 5: Oh, it's like everybody else just to have one. I mean,

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Speaker 5: everybody's gonna want one. I do have one question for

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Speaker 5: mister Muskstowe. Are they going to have the three laws?

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Speaker 2: Are they going to have what the three laws that are.

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Speaker 5: A robot will never? Yes?

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I didn't understand what you said. Uh well

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Speaker 2: there there has to listen to me. For me, there

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Speaker 2: has to be some kind of I don't want to

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Speaker 2: say psychological. There has to be some kind of guideline

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Speaker 2: that a safety device, but at that's sometime something that

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Speaker 2: gives that. And with AI, this has to be possible.

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Speaker 2: It has to be something to give that robot a

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Speaker 2: moral compass, Do you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 5: Yep.

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Speaker 2: Now, I don't expect them to understand morality and the like,

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Speaker 2: but still they're going to need that moral compass just

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Speaker 2: to keep them on the right down the right path.

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Speaker 2: And I think that's I think it's a good way

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Speaker 2: to explain it, the right path.

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Speaker 5: Probably I probably would God take it so slow getting

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Speaker 5: at the gate, because they're going to have to do

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Speaker 5: something to make it at least seem that way.

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Speaker 2: All right, Chuck, thank you very much, take care, have

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Speaker 2: a good night. You know, when you say the right path,

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Speaker 2: who's going to design that? And what the hell is

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Speaker 2: it going to be? Is it going to be Chuck's

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Speaker 2: right path? Or is going to be raised right path?

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Speaker 2: Ooh ah, Joseph, you're on bro Hi. Hey, how you

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Speaker 2: doing good? Man? Doing real good?

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Speaker 6: Oh?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, for sure.

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Speaker 7: I definitely wanting for sure, I definitely want to Robot.

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Speaker 7: It'd be awesome to have less less things. I mean,

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Speaker 7: Can you imagine, you know, even like to say galilet

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Speaker 2: To understand you, what you're saying is that you're not controlled.

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Speaker 6: Yep, it's going to be somebody looking through the eyes

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Speaker 2: Huh huh, no, no, thank you. I'm out as fast

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Speaker 4: One of the things that differentiated the predictions of Clark

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Speaker 4: got it right. Everybody knows the movie two thousand and one,

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Speaker 4: A Space Odyssey. Did you ever read the.

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Speaker 2: Novel Open the Pod Door?

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Speaker 4: How?

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Speaker 2: If you read the book, I couldn't walk it.

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Speaker 4: You get in the interior monologues of the character. I

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Speaker 4: So you figure it's going to take these robots about

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I was saying, Like, Tony Stark built

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Speaker 2: Started removing the humans. Okay, it's settled, don't need it.