1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,160 Speaker 1: And we continue with two h five in the afternoon 2 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:06,560 Speaker 1: on the John Phillips Show, Mister Randy Weggs in Culver City. 3 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 2: John, we have hit a milestone some thought we'd never 4 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 2: see when it comes to the gas crisis affecting the 5 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:19,800 Speaker 2: country in specifically California. That gas station in Gorda, if 6 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:24,120 Speaker 2: you want a gallon of premium gas, it'll cost you 7 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:25,960 Speaker 2: nine ninety nine. 8 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 1: I still can't believe we named a town fat woman. 9 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 1: There's got to be an individual, a specific person, who 10 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 1: that town is named after. 11 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 2: Who the Gorda is that's named after by Gorda. I 12 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 2: wonder if AI can tell us who she is? Well, 13 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 2: why don't you type that one into grock This gas station. 14 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 2: I remember we five years ago we're talking about how 15 00:00:57,200 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 2: outrageous it was that the guests in Gorda was seven 16 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 2: dollars a gallon, and here we are it is now 17 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 2: nine ninety nine. And the funny thing is it can't 18 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:12,200 Speaker 2: go any higher than that because there's no more numbers 19 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 2: on the meter. 20 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:18,319 Speaker 1: Okay, So here's what Grok says. Gorda, California, a small 21 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 1: hamlet in Monterey County along the Big sur Coast, is 22 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 1: not named after a specific person. The name Gorda is 23 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 1: simply the Spanish word for fat, the feminine form of Gordeaux. 24 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:36,040 Speaker 1: It most likely refers to the geography of the area, 25 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 1: the rolling, rounded or fat hills and headlands along the 26 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:46,399 Speaker 1: rugged coastline. Some local explanations interpret it as meaning rich 27 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:50,919 Speaker 1: or well fed land, referring to the lush vegetation, abundant wildlife, 28 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 1: and fertile looking coastal terrain in that part of Big sur. 29 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 2: Well, it does make sense. Monterey County is beautiful. 30 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 1: I think it's an inside joke. I think there was 31 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 1: an actual fat woman. I think it has nothing to 32 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 1: do with the land. 33 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 2: I think you've got to start bringing historians on the 34 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:13,359 Speaker 2: show and start digging deep into this. Who is Gorda 35 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 2: named after? This show's mission statement is to find the 36 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 2: answer to that question. 37 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:24,920 Speaker 1: Well, there's a real easy way of finding out. When 38 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:34,080 Speaker 1: did Rosie O'Donnell's relatives immigrate to this country? Isn't she 39 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:41,959 Speaker 1: a New Yorker? I think so, Well, they had covered wagons. 40 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:45,800 Speaker 2: I wonder at what point she'll be so irrelevant that 41 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 2: you won't make random shots at her. 42 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:51,360 Speaker 1: Well, she's autozimpic now, so it's kind of hard to 43 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 1: do the fat jokes the way we used to she's 44 00:02:56,160 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 1: wasting away. Eight hundred two two two five two two 45 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:04,360 Speaker 1: two is telephone number? What eight hundred two to two 46 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:07,800 Speaker 1: two five to two two two, So, Randy. Earlier in 47 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:10,680 Speaker 1: the program, you referenced a story out of the city 48 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:14,240 Speaker 1: and County of San Francisco. But a man who was 49 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 1: just doing what he thought needed to be done, in fact, 50 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:19,640 Speaker 1: was told to do so by his insurance company, and 51 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 1: that is to trim some vegetation in and around his property. 52 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 1: And apparently the city said that's a big no no. 53 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 2: Somebody got fined fifty thousand dollars by San Francisco for 54 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 2: trimming the trees they thought were on their property. 55 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 1: Sounds like that guy had a bad day. 56 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 2: For mar Here's ABC seven Eyewitness News in the Bay. 57 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 3: We're talking about a fifty thousand dollars fine for illegally 58 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 3: trimming five trees. 59 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 2: This homeowner ten thousand dollars a trunk. What does it 60 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 2: even cost to trim a tree, not fifty thous dollars. 61 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 3: Trees this homeowner thought were on his property and as 62 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 3: you can see, they're right outside his home. But as 63 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 3: the city explains, they're not his, and he wasn't authorized 64 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 3: to do it, and. 65 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 4: They kept cutting and cutting. 66 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 2: Whatever happened to a warning? 67 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 1: I guess that doesn't exist anymore. 68 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:22,279 Speaker 2: You know, if you commit crimes, we give you slaps 69 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:24,719 Speaker 2: on the wrist, slaps on the wrist, slaps on the wrist, 70 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 2: we give you the janis haunting court all day long. 71 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:31,600 Speaker 2: That's your final warning. But you accidentally trimmed some trees 72 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:35,480 Speaker 2: that you thought you were supposed to trim fifty thousand dollars. 73 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 1: Fine, and didn't his insurance companies say that those trees 74 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 1: post a fire wrist to his property? 75 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 4: Why? Yes, and they kept cutting and cutting. 76 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 3: Paul Dennis is trying to ensure his property in San 77 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 3: Francisco's Panhandle neighborhood. 78 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 5: Was an email from the broker saying, in order to 79 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:55,479 Speaker 5: qualify for insurance, you need to trim the trees so 80 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:56,719 Speaker 5: many feet from the property. 81 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 2: See it's the insurance company that started all of this. 82 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:03,480 Speaker 1: That industry is broken in this day. 83 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 6: Yep. 84 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:09,480 Speaker 1: I'm very kind of sketch and you've got okay. 85 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll just take care of that. 86 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 3: So Dennis trim down five trees in front of his 87 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 3: unit that he says we're touching the building, and in 88 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:19,360 Speaker 3: some cases you see that even power lines. 89 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:21,160 Speaker 4: I wanted to get them out of the power lines. 90 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 2: Three in front, So this guy is doing the entire 91 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 2: neighborhood a service. 92 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:27,599 Speaker 1: By the way, the city should have paid the bill 93 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 1: for that. 94 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:31,160 Speaker 4: Three in front, and on the other side there's two more. 95 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 3: His family has owned the home since nineteen eighty eight. 96 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:37,599 Speaker 3: Since then, Dennis always thought it was the property owner's 97 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 3: responsibility to trim. 98 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:41,159 Speaker 4: Guess I've never seen the city trim these trees. 99 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:43,280 Speaker 3: Never well, he learned the hard way. 100 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:45,720 Speaker 2: That's how they got so long that they're now coming 101 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 2: up right against the building and the power lines. 102 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 1: You can't win for losing here. 103 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 3: Never well, he learned the hard way. 104 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 7: Not in his case. 105 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 3: The trees are not his. Two days before Christmas last year, 106 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:02,280 Speaker 3: Dennis got slow with the first of several fines from 107 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 3: the San Francisco Department of Public Works for illegal tree pruning. 108 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 2: There are open air drug dealers in San Francisco every 109 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 2: single day, usually from Honduras in the country, illegally walking 110 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:25,160 Speaker 2: up and down the Tenderloin and Soma and the mission 111 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:30,600 Speaker 2: selling fent and al. The city doesn't do anything about them. 112 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 2: But they're going to levy fine after fine after fine 113 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:36,920 Speaker 2: for illegal tree trimming. 114 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 1: Well, go back to a point I made earlier. There 115 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 1: is one set of rules for taxpayers and homeowners, and 116 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:46,799 Speaker 1: another set of rules for protected classes. 117 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:51,040 Speaker 3: In total, the city charged him fifty thousand dollars. 118 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 2: WHOA, I'm like, it's the exact right response. 119 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 6: WHOA. 120 00:06:58,160 --> 00:06:59,479 Speaker 1: Mine would have had to be bleeped. 121 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 4: WHOA, I'm like, are you kidding me? It's just brutal. 122 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 2: You know, public when did the city of San Francisco 123 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 2: turn into the world's largest HOA. 124 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 1: And all the members of the Board of Supervisors or Karens. 125 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 3: Public Works told seven on your side. As stewards of 126 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 3: San Francisco's urban forest, it is our job to hold 127 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 3: people accountable when they harm or damage a street tree. 128 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 2: Mind you, all he did was trim it. They do 129 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 2: know it will grow back, correct, They say he trimmed 130 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 2: it too far. 131 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 3: The necessary clearance was achievable without topping. The indiscriminate cutting 132 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 3: of main branches back to stubs. Often removing fifty to 133 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 3: one hundred percent of a tree's canopy can severely damage trees. 134 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 3: In many cases, topping significantly shortens a tree's lifespan and 135 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 3: can increase liability when trees later fail. 136 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 1: Whenever my trees are trimmed, I always tell them to 137 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 1: basically shave it because I don't want to have to 138 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 1: have them trimmed all the time. And it's warm here 139 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 1: so they grow fast. 140 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 2: Well, in San Francisco it's always cold. 141 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 3: Adding an initial urban forestry inspector determined the trees had 142 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 3: been damaged to the point that removal would be necessary. 143 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 2: Well, at what point was DPW ever going to trim 144 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 2: the trees themselves. He's in this situation because he was 145 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 2: uninsurable unless he did something about it. 146 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:36,560 Speaker 1: And you know what their response would be. We were 147 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 1: right on top of that it was supposed to happen 148 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 1: the next week. 149 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:43,079 Speaker 3: Would be necessary, and recommended a fine of ten thousand 150 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 3: dollars per tree. 151 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, that'll teach him. 152 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:49,959 Speaker 1: It's just unbelievable. 153 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 2: Is that supposed to correct bad behavior? Or is that 154 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:57,079 Speaker 2: supposed to address a one billion dollar budget shortfall? 155 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 6: Bingo, I know that the the fines have been going up. 156 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:07,200 Speaker 6: That ten thousand dollars a tree seems like that's a 157 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:10,960 Speaker 6: lot of money, you know, too high. It seems pretty excessive. 158 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:14,559 Speaker 2: Christopher Campbell is a can't you like take a city 159 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:17,080 Speaker 2: or county to court if they lay that level of 160 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:21,679 Speaker 2: excessive fees because that technically qualifies under cruel and unusual punishment. 161 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 1: But here's the deal. The trees had to be trimmed 162 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 1: and the city failed to do it. If he lost 163 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 1: his insurance policy over that, then what do you do 164 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:38,559 Speaker 1: Because for most mortgages, they require that you have insurance, 165 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 1: and if he couldn't buy insurance, he had no option. 166 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:47,840 Speaker 3: Christopher Campbell is a certified tree arborist owner of CC 167 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 3: Tree Design. He helps manage urban trees, offering services like 168 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 3: tree pruning and risk assessments. Do you see this tree 169 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:56,559 Speaker 3: confusion happen a lot? 170 00:09:57,120 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 6: Yeah, it's actually pretty common. I think as goes on, 171 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 6: people are starting to learn, and you know, the fines 172 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 6: are really unfortunate. 173 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 3: Treet trimming used to be under the homeowner's purviewed, but 174 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 3: the city assumed that responsibility for all public street trees 175 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 3: in twenty seventeen. 176 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 2: Well, if you're going to assume that responsibility, then shouldn't you, 177 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 2: I don't know, trim the trees. No, what they were 178 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 2: going to do was assume the responsibility because they didn't 179 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:26,959 Speaker 2: like how certain people were having them trimmed, but then 180 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 2: they were just never going to do it. 181 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:31,960 Speaker 3: After Proposition E passed. 182 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 6: People don't realize, but the treated growth. 183 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 2: I wonder how many voters in San Francisco even knew 184 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:39,719 Speaker 2: what that measure was about. 185 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 1: Very few people. 186 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:43,960 Speaker 6: People don't realize. But the tree that grows in front 187 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:45,840 Speaker 6: of their home on the sidewalk and what we call 188 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:48,719 Speaker 6: is a sidewalk basin, that's actually city property, right, that's 189 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 6: the public ride away. 190 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:53,680 Speaker 3: Campbell explains. Even certain trees on private property require a 191 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 3: special permit for pruning if there's a bureaucracy. 192 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:58,239 Speaker 2: Goin a bureaucracy. 193 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 1: They really can't help themselves, can they. 194 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 6: If there's a tree that's over twelve inches of trunk diameter, 195 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:07,960 Speaker 6: twenty feet of height, or fifteen feet of spread, that 196 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 6: tree is considered a significant tree and is also protected. 197 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 3: Public Work says it distributed flyers, door hangers, and mailed 198 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 3: postcards over the years alerting residents to the twenty seventeen. 199 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 2: You know, it's fascinating to me how much local government 200 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 2: cares about trees, but they don't care about clearing brush 201 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 2: that lends to wildfires that burns down all the trees. 202 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:31,960 Speaker 1: No, they're so hung up on making sure that the 203 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 1: homeowners don't care for the trees and trim the trees, 204 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 1: but they don't care enough to do it themselves. 205 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:41,720 Speaker 3: Public Work says it distributed flyers, door hangers, and mailed 206 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 3: postcards over the years alerting residents to the twenty seventeen changes. 207 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:48,720 Speaker 2: But Dennis, do you think people pay attention to that 208 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 2: local of an issue where they're going to pay attention 209 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:54,559 Speaker 2: to a flyer that says, hey, San Francisco now is 210 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 2: responsible for these trees, not you, So no trimming, It's 211 00:11:57,960 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 2: going right in the trash. 212 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:02,960 Speaker 3: But Dennis, who lives in Marin, says he nor his 213 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:05,320 Speaker 3: father ever received any notice. 214 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 4: Kept in the dark. Why can't they put on that in. 215 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 1: With the tax boom? 216 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 3: The city says the municipal code does not require that. Instead, 217 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 3: Public Works refers property owners to their website, where information 218 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:18,599 Speaker 3: is posted about maintenance responsibilities. 219 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 2: And you know, everybody in San Francisco every single day 220 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 2: checks for updates on the San Francisco Department of Public 221 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:27,679 Speaker 2: Works website. 222 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:31,199 Speaker 1: What do you think the city would have done had 223 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:32,960 Speaker 1: he been dropped from his insurance policy. 224 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 2: Nothing? 225 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 1: They would have said, Oh, that's too bad. 226 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 3: Including a street tree map, but the primary owner at 227 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 3: the time, Dennis's father, was ninety four. 228 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 4: He didn't. 229 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think Dad was checking the website. 230 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 4: Nope, he didn't look at websites. He didn't have email, 231 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 4: so I. 232 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:54,199 Speaker 2: Think that's he was probably happier. 233 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 4: So I think that's not reasonable. 234 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 3: Dennis tried to appeal the fifty thousand dollars fine, but 235 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 3: he's frustrated with the process. 236 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 5: And they've used photos where they've trimmed the trees after 237 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 5: I've trimmed them. 238 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:12,960 Speaker 4: They were probably four feet taller. 239 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 3: Public Works acknowledges contracted Arborous have been sent to Dennis's street, 240 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:20,960 Speaker 3: but denies any additional pruning was performed on the trees 241 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 3: adjacent to his property. 242 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 2: As for his so they're doing their own tree trimming 243 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 2: and they're going after him for the tree trimming. I'm 244 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:33,720 Speaker 2: telling you this is a rigged game where you lose 245 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:34,320 Speaker 2: either way. 246 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:39,719 Speaker 3: As for his fifty grand fine, public Works told us 247 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:43,320 Speaker 3: after further review, a more senior inspector determined that the 248 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:48,079 Speaker 3: trees may recover, though with reduced lifespan and compromise structure. 249 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:51,959 Speaker 3: Based on that assessment, public Works recommended reducing the fines 250 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:54,320 Speaker 3: to twelve nine hundred and fifty dollars. 251 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:58,080 Speaker 2: See what happens when you get the news involved. It 252 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 2: shouldn't even be that though, it should be zero. If 253 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 2: the city doesn't trim the trees to the point to 254 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 2: where the insurance companies are dropping homeowners from their policies, 255 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 2: and homeowners step in and have the trees trimmed, the 256 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:13,679 Speaker 2: only thing the city should get is a bill. 257 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 6: The information is out there. 258 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:18,720 Speaker 4: I didn't know this process is so unfair. 259 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 3: As a general guideline, Public Works recommends that residents allow 260 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 3: the bureau. 261 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 2: How hard would it have been to say, oh, well, 262 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 2: you weren't really supposed to trim those, but now you know, 263 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 2: and he would say, oh, I'll make sure the next time, 264 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 2: I'll call you. But no, we have to treat the 265 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 2: taxpayers the homeowners like the criminals. 266 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 1: They're so aggressive too. 267 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 3: As a general guideline, Public Works recommends that residents allow 268 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 3: the Bureau of Urban Forest Street to prune street trees 269 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 3: located in the public right of way, like on sidewalks 270 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 3: in this case, And if you have a situation like 271 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 3: this on your street concerned about the clearance around power lines, 272 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 3: the city says to contact pgen for assistance. 273 00:14:58,040 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 2: Yes, because they're super responsive. 274 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 1: You know what this reminds me of. Remember when Arnold Schwarzenegger, 275 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 1: former governor of the state of California, had a pothole 276 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 1: in front of his home for years and years and years, 277 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 1: kept calling it in, kept going through the proper channels. 278 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 1: No one would do anything about it. So he finally 279 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 1: filled the hole himself and put it on social media. 280 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 1: The city was there the next day to tear it out. 281 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 2: Yep. 282 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 3: And lastly, if you're wondering if you own the trees 283 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 3: near your property, you can look that up using the 284 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 3: public Works street tree map. We have the link posted 285 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 3: on our website ABC seven news dot Com slash seven 286 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 3: on your Side. I'm Stephanie Sierra for ABC seven I 287 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 3: Witness News, all right. 288 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 8: And just in tonight, not long ago, San Francisco public 289 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 8: Works telling seven on your Side that they will cut 290 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:51,880 Speaker 8: the reduced fine in half to around sixty four hundred dollars. 291 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 2: If why don't they just wave the whole damn fine. 292 00:15:57,000 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 1: That is the right thing to do, so that means 293 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 1: the city is in cape bull of doing it. 294 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 8: The property owner follows city regulations. We'll see what happens 295 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 8: as we go forward. 296 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 2: So they go from fifty thousand dollars to twelve thousand 297 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 2: dollars to six thousand dollars just because they saw this 298 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:13,400 Speaker 2: story was gonna get on the TV. 299 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 1: This is a horrible abuse of power, but it's just 300 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 1: what goes on here on a daily basis. 301 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 2: Let's go to John and Woodland Hills. John. 302 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 4: Hello. 303 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 9: Yeah, about a year ago, I have a large oak 304 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 9: tree out of the front of my house and it's 305 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 9: got really overgrown. And the fire apartment came by one 306 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 9: day and they said, you know, the fire engine doesn't 307 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 9: clear the tree anymore. You gotta get this trim back. 308 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 9: I thought, okay, sure, that shouldn't be a big deal. 309 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 9: I go to the city, I said, the fire department 310 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 9: sent me off. I need because it's the oak three trims. 311 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 9: They said, no, you can't turn that oak tree. That's 312 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 9: a herd of joke tree. So it looks like a 313 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 9: big weed to me anyway, So go back to the 314 00:16:56,680 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 9: fire department. They said, no, we're gonna We're gonna find 315 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 9: you a couple of thousand dollars. You could get that tree. 316 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 9: Any damage to the fire truck. The engine can't cut 317 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 9: at free as it goes down the street. And so 318 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 9: I go back to the building department and reluctantly they said, well, okay, 319 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 9: we'll give you a permit. We'll we have to send 320 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:16,399 Speaker 9: there someone to supervise the cutting. So they said, I 321 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 9: line up the gardener guy stand out their supervisor. Well, 322 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:22,920 Speaker 9: we might as well have we might as well have 323 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 9: been couldn't a scissors, And we got enough on to 324 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:30,399 Speaker 9: satisfy the department. But you know, you know, you know, 325 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 9: it's just ridiculous, ridiculousness. And I'm not sure if somebody 326 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:41,720 Speaker 9: called in earlier on the on the the the buses, 327 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:47,959 Speaker 9: the the the bus stops, but I noticed around Woodland 328 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:51,679 Speaker 9: Hills now they're changing out all the they're changing in 329 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 9: all the larger bus stops, and I'm putting in these 330 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 9: little seats so nobody can sleep there. And so I'm 331 00:17:56,880 --> 00:17:59,119 Speaker 9: just thinking, well, another waste of money. Millions is always 332 00:17:59,160 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 9: going to that. 333 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 1: It's wild, but it's reality here in the state of California. 334 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 1: Thank you for the call, Sarah. 335 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:08,919 Speaker 2: Can you believe that the fire department says, hey, you 336 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:10,639 Speaker 2: got to trim this tree or we're gonna find you, 337 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:12,920 Speaker 2: And the city says you can't trim that tree, We're 338 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 2: gonna find you. Then the fire department says, trim that tree, 339 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:16,679 Speaker 2: we're gonna find you. 340 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 1: This is the same city where the Department of Water 341 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:24,919 Speaker 1: and Power did not tell the fire department there was 342 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:27,400 Speaker 1: no water in the fire hydrants or in the reservoir. 343 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 2: Shangy, you are right, girl. The baraucracy is real. 344 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 1: Eight hundred two two two five two two two is 345 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:38,360 Speaker 1: the telephone number? What eight hundred two two two five 346 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 1: two two two. If you'd like to email the show, 347 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 1: you can do so at Johnny don't like show at 348 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 1: gmail dot com. 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Tickets furnished by 378 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:16,800 Speaker 2: Live Nation Good luck dialing. 379 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:22,159 Speaker 1: Californians have a love hate relationship with the utilities, and 380 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 1: by that I mean we love to hate them and 381 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:27,400 Speaker 1: It doesn't matter if you're talking about the LA Department 382 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:31,680 Speaker 1: of Water and Power, Southern California, Edison, or PG and E. 383 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 1: The problem is that we're stuck with them. It's not 384 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:37,399 Speaker 1: like you have a beef with Coke and you can 385 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 1: go to Pepsi or McDonald's. Does you dirty? You can't 386 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:45,360 Speaker 1: go to Burger King if you have PG and E. 387 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:48,200 Speaker 1: You're stuck with PG and E. And that's the way 388 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:51,840 Speaker 1: it is. You can complain, you can write letters to 389 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:57,360 Speaker 1: your elected representatives, but ultimately there's not much you can do. Well. 390 00:20:57,359 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 1: In San Francisco, the City and County of San Francisco 391 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:05,919 Speaker 1: is looking at potentially filing for divorce with PG and 392 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 1: E and John. 393 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 2: How long has San Francisco been trying to get out 394 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:11,479 Speaker 2: from under the thumb of PG and E. 395 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 1: A long, long, long time. 396 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 2: One hundred years. 397 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:21,120 Speaker 1: Seems about right. 398 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:25,639 Speaker 2: For more on the fight to break up with PG 399 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:28,639 Speaker 2: and E in the city by the Bay, here is 400 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:35,480 Speaker 2: a report from NBC in the Bay Area. Here it 401 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 2: is San Francisco. No, I've got to turn off the music. 402 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:40,160 Speaker 2: Here we go. 403 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:43,760 Speaker 10: San Francisco's bid to break up with PG and E 404 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:47,480 Speaker 10: is gaining momentum. This comes after that major blackout just 405 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 10: before Christmas a few months ago. Investigative reporter Jackson Vanderbecken 406 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 10: has the new details and the looming deadline here. 407 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:00,639 Speaker 11: On Irving Street, December twentieth. The day to the city 408 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:04,600 Speaker 11: lost power wasn't just the Saturday before Christmas. It was 409 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 11: also the eve of the Chinese Winter Solstice celebration. 410 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 3: We prepare a lot of food for the winter festival. 411 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:16,399 Speaker 11: Rose Chen, owner of BBQ King, had stocked up extra 412 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 11: pork and beet to meet the internet sales rush. 413 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:26,160 Speaker 2: Probably Rabbit two is that popular in Chinatown? 414 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:31,639 Speaker 11: Yes, only to watch it spoil. When the outage lasted three. 415 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 4: Days, we cannot do anything. 416 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:34,240 Speaker 7: Everything. 417 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:37,159 Speaker 2: All those short ribs went to waste because PG and 418 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 2: E couldn't turn the lights back on. 419 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 1: Oh, and those are delicious. 420 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 6: Everything is a mess it up. We cannot do business. 421 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 11: Across the street, Irving Seafood Market owner Tia Zang and 422 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:51,359 Speaker 11: her husband filled their van with fish. 423 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 2: Oh can you imagine that smell? 424 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:55,840 Speaker 1: Oh? 425 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:58,920 Speaker 2: No, all right, John, I'm gonna give you a choice. 426 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 2: Neither are good. Would you rather spend fifteen minutes in 427 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:06,919 Speaker 2: the Tijuana River or fifteen minutes in the vanful of 428 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,440 Speaker 2: expired fish right here. 429 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 1: I think I take the vanful of expired fish. 430 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 11: And ended up sleeping in the vehicle, using its power 431 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 11: to keep cool water circulating in the tank. 432 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 6: I put the fissi and beer, and I keep the air, 433 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 6: and I keep a fish alive. 434 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:28,360 Speaker 11: But in the end the fish didn't survive and the 435 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:32,320 Speaker 11: market suffered losses of more than ten thousand dollars. The 436 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:34,880 Speaker 11: source of the nightmare here on Irving Street was actually 437 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:36,919 Speaker 11: miles away at Peace. 438 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 2: I'm just realizing what that story was about. What that's 439 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,159 Speaker 2: one of those markets in Chinatown where you buy the 440 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 2: live fish and they kill it right there for you, like. 441 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 1: With red lobster and the lobsters in the tank. 442 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm a I'm a modern individual. I need to 443 00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:00,159 Speaker 2: be a little removed from seeing the eyes of the 444 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:00,920 Speaker 2: food I'm eating. 445 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 1: Some people are old school. 446 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 11: The source of the nightmare here on Irving Street was 447 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:11,399 Speaker 11: actually miles away at PG and E's station south of market. 448 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 1: Emergency time with pgn E. 449 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 6: We have a substation on fire. 450 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 1: Uh oh. 451 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:24,159 Speaker 11: That call came more than an hour after PG and 452 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 11: detected trouble at the unmanned facility and sent an electrician 453 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:30,920 Speaker 11: to the site. Utility officials acknowledged it's. 454 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:32,960 Speaker 1: Time for PGA to be replaced. 455 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,720 Speaker 8: It's time for San Francisco to having municipally on utility. 456 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 11: Longtime public power advocate City Supervisor Matt Dorsey chaired a 457 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:42,680 Speaker 11: hearing in February pushing for answers. 458 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,919 Speaker 12: For more than one hundred and twenty years, we have 459 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:48,879 Speaker 12: had the humbling privilege of serving the city. 460 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:51,960 Speaker 2: There's nothing humbling about PG and E. So just stop 461 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 2: it now. Although here's what you have to consider. The 462 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:58,480 Speaker 2: alternative is for the City and County of San Francisco 463 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 2: to run the power company. Look at how they handled 464 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:06,879 Speaker 2: the tree trimming issue. I understand that, And yes, you 465 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 2: can look at LADWP as being a disaster, but there 466 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:14,880 Speaker 2: are plenty of examples of you municipally owned utilities in 467 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:20,480 Speaker 2: California that run pretty darn well, SMUD being one of them. Okay, 468 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:22,920 Speaker 2: do you trust the City and County of San Francisco 469 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,880 Speaker 2: to do it? That's a good. 470 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,760 Speaker 1: Point, and we do not take this response. 471 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 2: But you know what, PG and E is the worst 472 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:32,240 Speaker 2: they are. 473 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 1: This responsibility lightly. 474 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 11: PG and E CEO su Meet Singh told supervisors the 475 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,480 Speaker 11: fire broke out when a single circuit breaker failed at 476 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:46,440 Speaker 11: a substation the utility had already spent two hundred million 477 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 11: dollars to upgrade. 478 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 8: You just expect that these things are going to get better, 479 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:51,280 Speaker 8: and they never do well. 480 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:55,119 Speaker 11: Dorsey welcomes PG and E taking responsibility. 481 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 2: They still haven't paid out most of the claims for 482 00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,720 Speaker 2: all those shop owners, that all the rotten meat and fish. 483 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:04,080 Speaker 1: No, but they never have to. The people in Paradise, 484 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,640 Speaker 1: California were never adequately compensated. 485 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:12,160 Speaker 11: While Dorsey welcomes PGE taking responsibility, he says the fire 486 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,919 Speaker 11: in December was the third to hit the same substation, 487 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:17,879 Speaker 11: and the power outage was one of seven the city 488 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:19,879 Speaker 11: had to endure in just one month. 489 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,199 Speaker 8: There was a time that PG and could point to 490 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,000 Speaker 8: their great record on reliability and safety. 491 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 2: And I think that they don't have one on either 492 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:30,320 Speaker 2: of those. How long ago are we talking here? 493 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:33,480 Speaker 8: And I think that ship sailed a couple decades ago. 494 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,960 Speaker 11: The city has actually been working for years on trying 495 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:40,480 Speaker 11: to buy out PG and E twice offering two point 496 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 11: five billion dollars for its power lines, polls, and substation equipment, 497 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:49,520 Speaker 11: but the utility has twice rejected the offers as too low. 498 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:53,000 Speaker 11: The city took its case to the State's Public Utilities Commission. 499 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 2: You mean the board made up of Gavin Newsom appointees 500 00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 2: who are all connected to or former executives of pg 501 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 2: and E and so Cal Edison and SDG and E. 502 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,920 Speaker 1: See, this is why when Republicans go, well, what does 503 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,880 Speaker 1: it matter If we have two Republicans on the November 504 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 1: ballot and one wins, the legislature is still not going 505 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:17,080 Speaker 1: to give them any good legislation to sign. Yeah, but 506 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:20,200 Speaker 1: if you're governor, you can appoint people to the Public 507 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:24,639 Speaker 1: Utilities Commission, which means you can have sane people making 508 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,800 Speaker 1: these decisions as opposed to the crowd that we have. Now. 509 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:32,000 Speaker 11: The city took its case to the state's Public Utilities Commission, 510 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:35,600 Speaker 11: hoping to move the process along. The CPUC has now 511 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 11: given the city until April to come up with a 512 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 11: final updated offer to buy the company's grid, and PGEN 513 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:45,200 Speaker 11: has until October to respond with its own appraisal. 514 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 2: Of course, we're moving at the speed of molasses. 515 00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:51,000 Speaker 1: That's the way it works to me. 516 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,200 Speaker 2: The big issues like the rates are just too high 517 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:55,440 Speaker 2: and they keep going up there. The former they did 518 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,720 Speaker 2: get six rate hike increases approved in one year from 519 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,639 Speaker 2: the CPUC, that's one hell of a regulator. 520 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:05,040 Speaker 1: We got there, thanks Gavin, and they keep going up. 521 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:10,040 Speaker 11: A former cheap utility economist turn consultant Mark Ellis says, 522 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:13,280 Speaker 11: the price PG and E comes up with maybe far 523 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:17,240 Speaker 11: more than San Francisco can pay with bonds and still 524 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:18,600 Speaker 11: hope to lower bills. 525 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 2: See PG and E wants to the way this works 526 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,919 Speaker 2: is we'd have to buy a bunch of their infrastructure, 527 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,240 Speaker 2: and PG and E is giving these inflated figures that 528 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:30,040 Speaker 2: would make it impossible to do that. 529 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,400 Speaker 1: And if you think about it, it's not like there's 530 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:37,359 Speaker 1: another potential buyer out there. Only the city and County 531 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 1: of San Francisco would be interested in buying it and 532 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,800 Speaker 1: then running their own utility. So from the point of 533 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,719 Speaker 1: view of PG and E, if San Francisco is going 534 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 1: to purchase it from him, they're going to pay a 535 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 1: king's ransom. 536 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,720 Speaker 2: You know what, if Tom Steyer doesn't make it into 537 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 2: the top two and he really wants to put his 538 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:58,680 Speaker 2: money where his mouth is, maybe he can buy that infrastructure. 539 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,200 Speaker 11: And still hope to lower bills. 540 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,720 Speaker 2: If you were to take them over, you're basically saying, Okay, 541 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:09,320 Speaker 2: any potential savings I'm paying upfront to PGENE to make 542 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:09,960 Speaker 2: them go away. 543 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:11,880 Speaker 8: No one's saying it's going to be an easy path. 544 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,160 Speaker 11: City attorney David Chu says PG and E can't just 545 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:18,800 Speaker 11: name any price. It has to be reasonable and justified 546 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 11: under the law. Andy says, every day the complex process 547 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:25,200 Speaker 11: goes on is another day San Franciscans must live with 548 00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:26,160 Speaker 11: all the problems. 549 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,120 Speaker 12: This is putting the safety of our residents at risk. 550 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,280 Speaker 11: Well, the city has its safety concerns, so does PG 551 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:36,520 Speaker 11: and E, Long arguing San Francisco doesn't have the experience 552 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,400 Speaker 11: needed to run an urban power grid let alone. 553 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 2: PG and E doesn't get to go after anybody for 554 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 2: not having a good track record on safety. They got 555 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:47,960 Speaker 2: all the experience in the world and they burned down 556 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:51,200 Speaker 2: half the state. I love the fact that no one 557 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:55,960 Speaker 2: is disputing that they offer an inferior product. It's just 558 00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 2: we're offering an inferior product, and we're not going to 559 00:29:58,640 --> 00:29:59,840 Speaker 2: give you any alternatives. 560 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:00,800 Speaker 1: Deal with it. 561 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:05,280 Speaker 11: Long arguing San Francisco doesn't have the experience needed to 562 00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,760 Speaker 11: run an urban power grid, let alone less expensively. 563 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:10,240 Speaker 4: We're up to the task. 564 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:14,080 Speaker 11: Barbara Hale is with the San Francisco Utilities Commission. She 565 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:17,440 Speaker 11: insists the city has plenty of experience. 566 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 3: Two point seven million customers rely on their critical water services. 567 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,120 Speaker 4: From this agency. We can step up and do the same. 568 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:29,480 Speaker 11: For electricity, the SFPUC runs Hetchhatchy Power, delivering both water 569 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,840 Speaker 11: and power from Yosemite to the city and maintains lines. 570 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:34,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, there are a couple of parts of the city 571 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:38,200 Speaker 2: that actually are maintained by a city owned grid, and 572 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,520 Speaker 2: I don't hear a whole lot of complaints there. 573 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 11: And maintains lines to deliver power to city customers generated 574 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 11: at this solar array at the Sunset Reservoir as well. 575 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 7: This was unacceptable. 576 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:54,400 Speaker 11: Pgeni Sarah Yol told the supervisors what happened in December 577 00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:59,440 Speaker 11: was an unacceptable lapse and pledged to expedite compensating businesses. 578 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:02,360 Speaker 3: Know that during the outage and of the days that followed, 579 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:04,719 Speaker 3: we did not meet our high standards of performance. 580 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:06,320 Speaker 2: We must do better. 581 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 1: It's unreal how they just have the same response every 582 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:18,040 Speaker 1: time they have a massive failure that costs US millions 583 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:19,120 Speaker 1: or billions of dollars. 584 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:21,880 Speaker 2: When they poison the water in the seventies, we need 585 00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,080 Speaker 2: to do better when they blew up San Bruno in 586 00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:26,160 Speaker 2: twenty ten, we need to do better. When they burned 587 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:29,160 Speaker 2: down Paradise in twenty seventeen, we need to do better. 588 00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 2: When they left San Francisco in darkness for three days 589 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,400 Speaker 2: last December, we need to do better. 590 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:37,760 Speaker 1: Well, this is the best they can do. 591 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:43,680 Speaker 11: On Irving Street. Rose Chen says Pganie is typically reliable. 592 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:47,560 Speaker 5: P Danny did a good job, but sometimes the accident happen. 593 00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:48,280 Speaker 4: You never know. 594 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:52,040 Speaker 11: Chen says that recently Piganie made good on promises and 595 00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:55,680 Speaker 11: compensated her for her losses from December's nightmare. 596 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:57,520 Speaker 2: They bought all the rotten pork. 597 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd stay away from that seafood tower at the 598 00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:04,080 Speaker 1: PG and E Christmas party. 599 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:08,240 Speaker 11: Jackson Vanderbecken, NBC Bay Area, we investigate. 600 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:11,520 Speaker 10: If you have a story tip for Jackson or anyone 601 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,120 Speaker 10: else in our investigative, you and here's our information, give 602 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:15,880 Speaker 10: us a call eight eight eight Okay. 603 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:19,920 Speaker 2: So that's what's going on with the never ending battle 604 00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:25,280 Speaker 2: to divorce San Francisco from Pacific Gas and Electric. Eight 605 00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:28,600 Speaker 2: hundred two two two five two two two is telephone 606 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:32,520 Speaker 2: number one eight hundred two two two five two two two. 607 00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:35,000 Speaker 2: If you'd like to email the show, you can do 608 00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:38,000 Speaker 2: so at Johnny don't like show at gmail dot com. 609 00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:43,360 Speaker 2: That's Johnny don't like show at gmail dot com. And Randy, 610 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,840 Speaker 2: I think we have time for one more addition to 611 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:47,560 Speaker 2: the California crime blodder. 612 00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:52,760 Speaker 7: It's happened yet again, nye Cee. 613 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:58,800 Speaker 1: Time for the California crime blodder, and this one involves 614 00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:00,960 Speaker 1: the elderly getting scaled again. 615 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:05,800 Speaker 2: Although we're not talking about grandma and grandpa. We're talking 616 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:09,080 Speaker 2: about your creepy old uncle that's trying to go after models. 617 00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:14,480 Speaker 2: Uh oh, specifically an OnlyFans model that was stealing from 618 00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:16,640 Speaker 2: everybody she was dating. 619 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:18,800 Speaker 1: Dating in quotes. 620 00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:25,360 Speaker 2: For more, here's ABC seven Eyewitness News in Los Angeles. 621 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:33,520 Speaker 7: From stealing hearts to stealing property, From stealing hearts to 622 00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:37,440 Speaker 7: stealing property, That's what Adva Levee will stand trial for. 623 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,880 Speaker 7: The adult model and influencer known as mea Ventura facing 624 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,960 Speaker 7: six felony charges accused of using dating apps. 625 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:47,000 Speaker 2: You know it's not good when your fake model name 626 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:50,320 Speaker 2: sounds like a porno name or a pro wrestler. 627 00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:53,880 Speaker 7: The adult model and influencer known as mea Ventura facing 628 00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:57,560 Speaker 7: six felony charges accused of using dating apps to target 629 00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,760 Speaker 7: and burglarized wealthy older men and younger women. 630 00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:04,560 Speaker 2: Wait, she was also going after young women. 631 00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:06,920 Speaker 1: I guess the door swings both ways. 632 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:07,640 Speaker 2: Oh boy. 633 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,799 Speaker 7: The circumstance is similar to those that might play out 634 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:14,040 Speaker 7: in an elder abuse case. According to former prosecutor R. J. 635 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,680 Speaker 12: Dryling, some of the facts are a little bit different here. 636 00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:19,240 Speaker 12: It's the same kind of principle, which is someone working 637 00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:22,680 Speaker 12: themselves into someone's life, taking money from them under the 638 00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:23,840 Speaker 12: auspices of consent. 639 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:27,759 Speaker 7: In a place like LA where relationships can be very transactional, 640 00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:31,200 Speaker 7: how do prosecutors determine who is a sugar baby and 641 00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:32,440 Speaker 7: who's a criminal. 642 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,360 Speaker 2: Didn't expect the term sugar baby to pop up in 643 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:36,400 Speaker 2: this story. 644 00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:40,040 Speaker 1: But here we are, and boy, she was generous. Relationships 645 00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:41,120 Speaker 1: are transactional. 646 00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:44,120 Speaker 12: You know, that's going to be the ultimate issue in 647 00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:48,120 Speaker 12: the case. I expect the defense to argue that these individuals, 648 00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:51,840 Speaker 12: when they got into a relationship with the social media influencer, 649 00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,279 Speaker 12: a much younger, much more attractive woman, knew what they 650 00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:55,000 Speaker 12: were getting into. 651 00:34:55,760 --> 00:35:00,799 Speaker 2: M I mean, that is the risk that you're if 652 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:04,360 Speaker 2: you think she's really into you for your looks, that's 653 00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:08,600 Speaker 2: what might happen to you. Remember maybe a month or 654 00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:10,560 Speaker 2: two back, we did a story about a woman in 655 00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:14,680 Speaker 2: the Bay Area and an older Asian woman who met some 656 00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,920 Speaker 2: guy on Facebook and ended up giving the guy all 657 00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:21,160 Speaker 2: of her money and got scammed. Happens all the time. 658 00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,960 Speaker 1: The difference is she met him on Facebook and he 659 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:29,000 Speaker 1: was trying to portray himself as a businessman. The guys 660 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:33,319 Speaker 1: look for OnlyFans models who were twenty years old and 661 00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,279 Speaker 1: looked like they could be in a magazine. 662 00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:39,319 Speaker 12: A much younger, much more attractive woman knew what they 663 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:40,120 Speaker 12: were getting into. 664 00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:45,160 Speaker 7: The Allegations of deception stretching beyond southern California, with police 665 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:49,120 Speaker 7: reports filed against Levie in Nevada, Florida, and even overseas 666 00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:50,280 Speaker 7: in France and Italy. 667 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:54,680 Speaker 2: Boy, this woman stealing from everybody. She must be making 668 00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:56,000 Speaker 2: it a lot of money. 669 00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:59,800 Speaker 12: Even though La County might not have jurisdiction over the 670 00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:03,520 Speaker 12: cases overseas or in different states, they can actually bring 671 00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:05,960 Speaker 12: in those witnesses to come and testify in their case 672 00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:09,440 Speaker 12: to show this wasn't just a one time thing, that 673 00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:11,640 Speaker 12: this was part of a broader course of conduct. 674 00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,319 Speaker 1: She's a female tender swindower. I mean, that's kind of 675 00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:14,799 Speaker 1: what this is. 676 00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:19,000 Speaker 7: Michael Sartain is commending the LAPD's police work that's now 677 00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:22,239 Speaker 7: led to the felony charges. Levi appearing on his podcast 678 00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:24,239 Speaker 7: Access Vegas in twenty twenty four. 679 00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,719 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I remember this. She goes on this guy's podcast. 680 00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:31,640 Speaker 2: I guess because she's an OnlyFans influencer and she stole 681 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:41,120 Speaker 2: from everybody's purse in the green room. 682 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,719 Speaker 7: That's now led to the felony charges. Levie appearing on 683 00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,600 Speaker 7: his podcast Access Vegas in twenty twenty four. 684 00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:45,440 Speaker 1: She stole stuff from the purses. 685 00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:46,640 Speaker 2: Do you subscribe to that one? 686 00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:48,480 Speaker 1: What was it? 687 00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:49,799 Speaker 2: Access Vegas? 688 00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:50,480 Speaker 11: No? 689 00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:51,920 Speaker 2: I think you will be. 690 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:54,560 Speaker 1: She stole stuff from the purses that were in my 691 00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:57,000 Speaker 1: green room while the people were on my show. That's 692 00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:00,160 Speaker 1: not simply a criminal. That is a kleptomania. 693 00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:04,359 Speaker 2: There you go, the only Fans model that is on 694 00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:11,920 Speaker 2: trial for stealing from everybody. 695 00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:15,239 Speaker 1: And this woman was able to do it over and 696 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:19,719 Speaker 1: over and over again. It must be like shooting fish 697 00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:20,320 Speaker 1: in a barrel. 698 00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:26,000 Speaker 2: Well, sometimes, if this is your only match on tender, 699 00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:28,920 Speaker 2: you go for it. You don't look at any of 700 00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:32,560 Speaker 2: the red flags and you say, damn, she's hot, let's go. 701 00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:37,080 Speaker 1: I wonder what kind of self confidence these people must 702 00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:40,319 Speaker 1: have to think that an only fans model is going 703 00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:43,000 Speaker 1: to be wan to be with an elderly shut in. 704 00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:49,200 Speaker 2: Delusion is very powerful, my friend sounds like it