WEBVTT - The latest MediCAL fraud involves Taxi Cabs

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<v Speaker 1>And very Happy Friday to you at twelve oh seven.

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<v Speaker 1>In the West, it's the Giant Phillip Show, Mister Randy

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<v Speaker 1>Wings in Culver City.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, John, despite all the hype, hotel bookings for the

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<v Speaker 2>World Cup in Los Angeles are way below expectations. No,

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<v Speaker 2>would you want to come here to watch soccer? And

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<v Speaker 2>it's only eight games. The whole concept of having the

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<v Speaker 2>World Cup in the entire continent of North America, where

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<v Speaker 2>some games are being played in Mexico, some games are

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<v Speaker 2>being played in Canada, and some games are being played

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<v Speaker 2>in La San Jose, some games are being played in Kansas.

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<v Speaker 2>It is so spread out. How exactly are soccer fans

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<v Speaker 2>supposed to enjoy that?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, my guess is if they do, they're going to

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<v Speaker 1>be executive platinum but American Airlines by the time they're done.

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<v Speaker 1>Eight hundred two two two five two two two is

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<v Speaker 1>jellphone number one? Eight hundred two two two five two

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<v Speaker 1>two two. Well, a lot of you have been emailing

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<v Speaker 1>us over at Johnny don't like show at gmail dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>That's Johnny don't like show at gmail dot com asking

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<v Speaker 1>to take a peek at my ballot. And this is

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<v Speaker 1>something we do every cycle here where people want to

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<v Speaker 1>know how I'm voting on any particular race or proposition,

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<v Speaker 1>that sort of thing, and we put it up on

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<v Speaker 1>the website over at KBC dot com, over at KSFO,

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<v Speaker 1>and it is going to be up my ballot this cycle,

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<v Speaker 1>this primary will be up by the end of the

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<v Speaker 1>show today. Now, I am not suggesting that you vote

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<v Speaker 1>exactly the same way that I do. I'm not telling

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<v Speaker 1>you which way to vote one way or the other.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just letting you know how I voted in case

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<v Speaker 1>you would like to know, because that's a regular question

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<v Speaker 1>that we get asked. So if you're curious how I'm

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<v Speaker 1>voting for governor or lieutenant governor or state superintendent of

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<v Speaker 1>public instruction. I even got down to some of the

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<v Speaker 1>county and the city initiatives, those sorts of things. That's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be up and live on the website by

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<v Speaker 1>the time we sign off today at three PM. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to be on vacation next week and Randy will

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<v Speaker 1>be hosting the program solo. When I get back from vacation,

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to go through the ballot on the air,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm going to tell you just exactly why I'm

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<v Speaker 1>voting the way I'm voting on all of the various

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<v Speaker 1>races and propositions. So that'll be week after next when

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<v Speaker 1>I'm back from vacation.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, just with your luck, you're going to come

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<v Speaker 2>back for vacation and somebody that you said you're voting

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<v Speaker 2>for is going to drop out.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, one hundred percent. Whenever I go on vacation, that's

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<v Speaker 1>when all hell breaks loose.

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<v Speaker 2>By the way, you understand that you're going on vacation

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<v Speaker 2>with the three and a half weeks left before the

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<v Speaker 2>election season is over. So if there really is another

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<v Speaker 2>Katie Porter video out there, it's coming out when you're

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<v Speaker 2>not here.

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<v Speaker 3>Sorry for the noise, I'm cutting carrots.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh.

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<v Speaker 1>In addition to that, Canada is going to declare war

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<v Speaker 1>in Iceland. That's the way it works, all right. So

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<v Speaker 1>that's all the housekeeping items I have for you today,

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<v Speaker 1>and right now it's time to move on to the

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<v Speaker 1>top story, where we've been uncovering a lot of waste,

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<v Speaker 1>fraud and abuse. Originally, we found out about it in

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<v Speaker 1>Minnesota with the various schools and daycare centers. Then attention

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<v Speaker 1>shifted to California, San Fernando Valley when we learned about

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<v Speaker 1>the hospice centers that we're all located in one building,

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<v Speaker 1>in one neighborhood, and it just so happens it's pretty

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<v Speaker 1>much right next to.

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<v Speaker 5>Where Randy lives.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, now, Randy, we have a third to add to

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<v Speaker 1>the list, and this time it involves the Bay Area.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, this one is wild, But NBC Bay Area

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<v Speaker 1>put out a massive story. They've been investigating this for

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<v Speaker 1>months and months and months about a type of medical

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<v Speaker 1>fraud that is insane. Apparently, one of the things that

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<v Speaker 1>you can do when you qualify for medical is your

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<v Speaker 1>low income and it will pay for your treatment. But John,

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't just pay for your treatment. Medical will also

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<v Speaker 1>pay for your transportation to and from your treatment. That

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<v Speaker 1>has led to a whole bunch of crooked taxi drivers

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<v Speaker 1>paying people twenty dollars to go on one hundred mile

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<v Speaker 1>trips to a treatment center, way out of their way,

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<v Speaker 1>way out of the way of their neighborhood. Because the

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<v Speaker 1>taxis are getting reimbursed by medical. Now it's the taxi

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<v Speaker 1>drivers that are scamming the government.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, this is a wild story. It is a huge story.

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<v Speaker 2>I have it posted on my substack if you want

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<v Speaker 2>to watch it and share it Randy Wangradio dot substack

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<v Speaker 2>dot com. But we're going to play the entire twelve

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<v Speaker 2>minute piece because it is fascinating. Archie Bunker, I thought

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<v Speaker 2>I knew you. For more, Here's NBC in the Bay.

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<v Speaker 3>Tonight we uncover allegations of fraud in the Silicon Valley.

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<v Speaker 3>This involves taxpayers, money, and low income Californians.

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<v Speaker 6>After a year of digging, Senior investigator reporter Bagad Shaban

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<v Speaker 6>has our story that is already getting the attention of

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<v Speaker 6>government investigators.

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<v Speaker 3>It's barely sunrise and this steady stream of taxi cabs

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<v Speaker 3>might make you think this is an airport or some

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<v Speaker 3>popular tourist attraction, but it's neither. Here comes one. For months,

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<v Speaker 3>our investigative unit watched undercover. Which one is this as taxi?

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<v Speaker 3>Here's one after taxi?

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<v Speaker 4>Here comes another.

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<v Speaker 5>One rolled in.

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<v Speaker 6>Did you get the car number one?

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<v Speaker 4>Nine to nine?

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<v Speaker 3>So what exactly is going on here? Well you should

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<v Speaker 3>know since millions of your tax dollars are paying for it.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm we're paying for tax these people.

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<v Speaker 1>I would love to know what the tax rate would

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<v Speaker 1>actually be if the stady California wasn't scammed.

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<v Speaker 5>Right and left imke what.

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<v Speaker 3>Our story starts with Jan Garcia, a whistleblower accusing some

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<v Speaker 3>of defrauding the government, cheating taxpayers, and exploiting some of

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<v Speaker 3>California's most vulnerable. He filed a complaint with government investigators,

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<v Speaker 3>but before he spoke with them, he sat down with us.

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<v Speaker 5>Smart you go to the local news first.

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<v Speaker 2>You go to the place where you know the story

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<v Speaker 2>is going to get told, because there are certain government

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<v Speaker 2>investigators wink wink, Bob Bantata that don't really care about this.

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<v Speaker 1>No, and if the people do in the scamming campaign contributors,

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<v Speaker 1>guess who he's gonna look out for.

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<v Speaker 4>First, think Kivili is like, what the hell.

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<v Speaker 3>His concerns have to do with medical California's version of Medicaid,

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<v Speaker 3>which provides free health services to low income adults and children.

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<v Speaker 3>The program also offers free transportation to get that medical treatment.

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<v Speaker 3>And that doesn't mean the bus Nope. And that's where

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<v Speaker 3>the taxis come in. The cab drivers charge by the

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<v Speaker 3>mile through medical to take patients to their medical appointments.

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<v Speaker 3>So the farther they drive, the more money they get.

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<v Speaker 7>That is a scam ola right there.

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder if they had any medical treatments in Tijuana.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, that whistleblower complaint accuses cavvies of paying recovering drug

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<v Speaker 3>users if they agree to get their drug treatment at

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<v Speaker 3>a clinic much farther away in a different county.

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<v Speaker 2>Like one hundred miles away, seems convenient. So there are

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<v Speaker 2>people who are getting paid to get picked up and

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<v Speaker 2>go to their appointment two counties from where they actually live.

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<v Speaker 2>Because the taxicab drivers are getting paid by the mile

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<v Speaker 2>by medical And of course there's nobody at medical looking

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<v Speaker 2>at these one hundred mile taxi rides and thinking there's

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<v Speaker 2>something strange going on here.

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<v Speaker 5>Sounds like they figured it out.

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<v Speaker 3>And then let the cabby become their regular driver, who

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<v Speaker 3>can then bill all of that additional mileage to medical.

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<v Speaker 2>The money's disappearing and it's not being used for medical.

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<v Speaker 3>We spoke with three different patients who told us their

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<v Speaker 3>taxi drivers repeatedly gave them cash payments to take almost

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<v Speaker 3>daily trips to one specific clinic.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not taking twenty dollars to sit in the back

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<v Speaker 2>of a taxi for two hours.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, what do you think the odds are some of

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<v Speaker 1>that money went for drugs?

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<v Speaker 3>There is that the Bark Program Center in Menlo Park,

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<v Speaker 3>which in some cases is ten times farther than other

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<v Speaker 3>similar facilities. The Bart Clinic is actually one of four

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<v Speaker 3>drug treatment clinics approved for Santa Clara County medical patients.

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<v Speaker 2>Notice how they're saying drug treatment and not drug rehab.

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<v Speaker 7>What is this? A method owned clinic.

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<v Speaker 3>Could be drug treatment clinics approved for Santa Clara County

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<v Speaker 3>medical patients, but it's the privately owned Bar clinic, the

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<v Speaker 3>only one not run by the county and the only

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<v Speaker 3>one located outside the county that's getting the vast majority

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<v Speaker 3>of taxpayer funded rides. In just the final three months

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<v Speaker 3>of last year, medical funds paid for more than twenty

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<v Speaker 3>four thousand trips across all four clinics, but ninety two

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<v Speaker 3>percent of those rides were to and from the Bark Clinic.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what this reminds me of. It reminds me

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<v Speaker 1>of what Elon Musk had to say about Doge and

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<v Speaker 1>why Doze didn't work. Because when you look at something

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<v Speaker 1>like this and you go, Okay, this is obvious fraud.

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<v Speaker 1>We have to cut this from the budget. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>as if the people who are scamming the system are

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<v Speaker 1>just going to take it on the chin. They're going

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<v Speaker 1>to scream, and they're gonna yell, and they're going to say,

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<v Speaker 1>this treatment is working, and you are cutting a successful

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<v Speaker 1>program that is helping drug addicts kick their habit. And

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<v Speaker 1>by cutting this, you're going to end up with more

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<v Speaker 1>people living on the streets and the encampments are going

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<v Speaker 1>to get bigger. How dare you cut a valuable program

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<v Speaker 1>like this?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and you know what, it reminds me of. One

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<v Speaker 2>of the reasons that California became the hot bed for

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<v Speaker 2>all of the drug addicts is our lacks drug laws.

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<v Speaker 2>But one of the other reasons is specifically medicale. When

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<v Speaker 2>we expanded medicaid to anybody who is low in that

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<v Speaker 2>steps on California soil qualifying for thirty days of rehab.

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<v Speaker 2>You add all of these private rehab centers in Orange

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<v Speaker 2>County and Malibu advertising on late night TV in Ohio saying, Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>you want to kick your heroin habit by petting a

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<v Speaker 2>horse in Malibu, We'll fly you out here, you get

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<v Speaker 2>thirty days of rehab, and then they kick you out

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<v Speaker 2>on the street.

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<v Speaker 1>I really do believe they could cut the taxes in

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<v Speaker 1>half if we got rid of the waste, fraud, and abiose.

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<v Speaker 3>While there are plenty of legitimate reasons patients might prefer

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<v Speaker 3>a certain medical center, the high traffic at the bart

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<v Speaker 3>facility is raising questions.

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<v Speaker 5>It's always that clinic. Why does it have to be

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<v Speaker 5>that clinic.

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<v Speaker 3>It doesn't make sense to you.

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<v Speaker 5>No, Garcia doesn't.

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<v Speaker 3>Work for medical and he's not a cab driver, But

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<v Speaker 3>in his whistleblower complaint, he said he knows of two

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<v Speaker 3>other passengers who have been taking those taxis roughly one

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<v Speaker 3>hundred miles round trip per day to that very same clinic,

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<v Speaker 3>even though they live within five miles of another treatment center.

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<v Speaker 3>Of course, he's even followed them several times and recorded

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<v Speaker 3>one of those trips, and his complaint to investigators, Garcia

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<v Speaker 3>says those two passengers told him their cab driver was

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<v Speaker 3>paying them to take the longer rides.

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<v Speaker 4>He gives them toy it all the day.

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<v Speaker 2>Each person seems kind of low, but if you're an

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<v Speaker 2>unemployed drug addict, twenty dollars a day, that buys you

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<v Speaker 2>some meth. Well, and it's not as if you have

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<v Speaker 2>another taxi right there where you can go. Okay, this

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<v Speaker 2>one's willing to give me twenty will you give me

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<v Speaker 2>fifty or how about one hundred and negotiate that way.

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<v Speaker 3>One of those passengers did confirm with us they do

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<v Speaker 3>take those one hundred mile taxi trips, but denied accepting

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<v Speaker 3>payments from his driver.

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<v Speaker 2>We know you're getting the money. Otherwise, why would you

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<v Speaker 2>do that? Who would voluntarily sit in the back of

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<v Speaker 2>a cab for an hour? No.

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<v Speaker 1>The only time I would ever consider doing that is

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<v Speaker 1>for a dentist, because finding a good dentist is so difficult.

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<v Speaker 1>If you have one the trust and you like, then

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<v Speaker 1>I would be willing and I am willing to drive

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred miles to go see that person. But for

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<v Speaker 1>something like this, you just take whatever's closest to your house.

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<v Speaker 2>Is this the revenge that the cabbies are putting on

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<v Speaker 2>us because everyone prefers Lyft and uber and Weimo.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I was just thinking about that recently. How

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<v Speaker 1>do they stay in business because it's so much easier

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<v Speaker 1>and so much more convenient to do the ride share

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<v Speaker 1>apps than it is to hail a taxi. I guess

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<v Speaker 1>maybe in New York City the taxis have an advantage

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<v Speaker 1>over the ubers and the lift, but not here. How

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<v Speaker 1>do they stay in business. Well, it looks like this

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<v Speaker 1>is the way.

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<v Speaker 7>Medical is keeping these drivers employed.

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<v Speaker 3>The other passenger never got back to us. Our undercover

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<v Speaker 3>investigation found other patients traveling just as far, upwards of

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<v Speaker 3>two hours in those taxis for a single appointment at

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<v Speaker 3>that same clinic, even though their rides take them past

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<v Speaker 3>other clinics that are much closer. We've also learned there

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<v Speaker 3>are currently no restrictions on how far a patient can

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<v Speaker 3>travel to get this kind of drug treatment.

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<v Speaker 7>Of course there aren't.

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<v Speaker 2>They're imagining some old lady that lives on top of

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<v Speaker 2>a mountain into hatchepee that needs to get to her

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<v Speaker 2>doctor appointment and didn't realize how easily this could be exploited, and.

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<v Speaker 3>No caps on how much taxi companies can charge per trip.

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<v Speaker 3>Here's one patient in their taxi after leaving the clinic

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<v Speaker 3>at about six thirty in the morning. They're on Highway

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<v Speaker 3>one oh one heading south. The cab eventually drives by

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<v Speaker 3>all three of Santa Clara County's other drug treatment clinics

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<v Speaker 3>before ultimately dropping off the passenger fifty miles away from

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<v Speaker 3>the barred clinic.

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<v Speaker 1>At this point, they just all assume that no one's

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<v Speaker 1>minding the store, and they can get away with murder

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<v Speaker 1>because they're not even trying to hide what they're doing.

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<v Speaker 2>The biggest line item in the budget, next to education

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<v Speaker 2>is healthcare, and part of the reason it is so

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<v Speaker 2>expensive is there is so much of this crap going on.

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<v Speaker 3>These treatment centers offer recovering drug users medication called methodone.

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<v Speaker 7>I knew it.

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<v Speaker 5>I knew called it.

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<v Speaker 7>I knew it.

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<v Speaker 2>By the way, when I was listening to this this morning,

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<v Speaker 2>I cut it off four minutes in because I knew

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<v Speaker 2>we were going with it, and I didn't want to

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<v Speaker 2>get spoiled.

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<v Speaker 7>But I knew it was methodone.

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<v Speaker 5>You call it.

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<v Speaker 3>These treatment centers offer recovering drug users medication called methodone

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<v Speaker 3>to reduce cravings and lessen withdrawal symptoms. But patients need

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<v Speaker 3>to get those meds in person just about every day,

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<v Speaker 3>so the cost of those taxi rides adds up.

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<v Speaker 2>So you are paying someone twenty dollars a day, every

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<v Speaker 2>single day that this is their job. Their job is

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<v Speaker 2>paid for by the California taxpayer, to go get their methodone.

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<v Speaker 5>Unbelievable checker cab.

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<v Speaker 3>We started logging just how far taxis were traveling to

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<v Speaker 3>drop off passengers who were leaving the clinic. Over the

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<v Speaker 3>course of twenty rods, the cabs averaged close to thirty

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<v Speaker 3>miles just one way. A quarter of them traveled roughly

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<v Speaker 3>fifty miles in one direction. The cab company charges a

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<v Speaker 3>medical four bucks a mile.

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<v Speaker 7>That adds up.

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<v Speaker 1>How is it that Gavin Newsom hasn't figured this out.

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<v Speaker 1>He's been governor for eight years and he is not

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<v Speaker 1>minding the score. He does not care about doing his

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<v Speaker 1>own job. He only cares about presenting himself to the

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<v Speaker 1>nation as a cab date for president.

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<v Speaker 2>The cabbies are pocketing two hundred dollars each way on

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<v Speaker 2>these trips.

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<v Speaker 3>So just one of those roundtrip fayars costs about four

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<v Speaker 3>hundred dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a lot more to this story, and it is

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<v Speaker 2>It is fascinating how easy it is to defraud Medical.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, let's go back to the latest scam that

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<v Speaker 1>is costing California taxpayers dearly. This was uncovered by an

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<v Speaker 1>incredible investigation from NBC Bay Area, where taxicab drivers are

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<v Speaker 1>able to bill medical four dollars a mile for driving

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<v Speaker 1>recovering Drug Act drug addicts to a methadone clinic that

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<v Speaker 1>is fifty miles away. Let's continue from this incredible report

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<v Speaker 1>from NBC in the Bay.

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<v Speaker 3>All paid for by you. You're talking about thousands of

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<v Speaker 3>dollars in transportation costs every month just for one person.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and you figure how many taxi drivers are going.

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<v Speaker 4>Over Here's another cab coming in.

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<v Speaker 3>We went under cover to find out what was that cab?

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<v Speaker 7>We counted, what does this mean?

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<v Speaker 2>The reporter had to act like your typical methodone patient.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, having worked at news my entire life, there's plenty

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<v Speaker 1>of people in this industry who don't have to act.

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<v Speaker 3>We went under cover to find out what was that cab?

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<v Speaker 3>We counted dozens of taxi drop offs each day over

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<v Speaker 3>five days. Even before the door's open, there's usually a

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<v Speaker 3>line of the taxis outside.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh forget what the clinic is charging for their methadone

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<v Speaker 2>treatment services. How much money is medical dolling out every

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<v Speaker 2>single year just to fraudulent taxi rides?

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<v Speaker 5>Sounds like a lot.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, Most passengers spent less than ten minutes inside

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<v Speaker 3>to take their medication and then headed right back out

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<v Speaker 3>to their cab driver for another trip home.

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<v Speaker 4>Number six to two.

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<v Speaker 3>In a single day, we counted nearly one hundred round

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<v Speaker 3>trip taxi rides at that same methodone.

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<v Speaker 2>Clinic one hundred. So let's do a little math here.

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<v Speaker 2>We're averaging four hundred dollars each way, So times that

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<v Speaker 2>by two eight hundred dollars, then times that by one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred eighty thousand dollars a day in taxi rides just

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<v Speaker 2>for that one clinic.

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<v Speaker 1>And think about this for a moment. How often are

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<v Speaker 1>you asked to vote to raise your own taxes because

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<v Speaker 1>the government says they don't have enough money to fight

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<v Speaker 1>fires and to police your community and to make sure

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<v Speaker 1>that the roads are paved. But they have money for this.

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<v Speaker 2>If that clinic is opened three hundred and sixty five

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<v Speaker 2>days a year, just in the taxi reimbursements, medical would

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<v Speaker 2>be paying twenty nine million dollars.

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<v Speaker 7>Great, and we just for one clinic.

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<v Speaker 3>And we discovered nearly all of those taxis are part

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<v Speaker 3>of this same company. Rainbow Checker and Yellow Cab of

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<v Speaker 3>Silicon Valley all operate under Yellow Checker Cab, which has

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<v Speaker 3>been providing transportation services for Santa Clara County medical patients

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<v Speaker 3>for more than a decade. Larry Silva, this is their

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<v Speaker 3>entire business model, because who's calling a taxi in twenty

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<v Speaker 3>twenty six.

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<v Speaker 1>Nope, And they all need business licenses from you know who,

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<v Speaker 1>the state of California.

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<v Speaker 3>Larry Silva, the president of Yellow Checker Cab, declined to

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<v Speaker 3>talk with us on camera, but told us his company

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<v Speaker 3>maintains a zero tolerance policy for fraud, waste or abuse.

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<v Speaker 7>Not buying that.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it sounds like they're really on top of that one.

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<v Speaker 3>He also said his business has been unable to verify

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<v Speaker 3>any allegations of kickbacks involving his roughly two hundred taxi drivers,

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<v Speaker 3>who he says are independent contractors.

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<v Speaker 4>That was a yellow cab.

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<v Speaker 3>H We have spent the past year investigating the allegations.

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<v Speaker 3>We reviewed hundreds of pages of public records, followed cabs

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<v Speaker 3>to track the miles traveled, and spoke with taxi drivers

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<v Speaker 3>and passengers. Most wouldn't talk with us on camera, but

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<v Speaker 3>some did.

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<v Speaker 4>I get ten bucks a name for my driver, and

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<v Speaker 4>but other people get twenty.

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<v Speaker 7>This why are you only getting ten?

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<v Speaker 4>I get ten bucks a name for my driver, and

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<v Speaker 4>but other people get twenty.

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<v Speaker 2>Are they doing a voice altering thing or is just

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<v Speaker 2>that how that person sounds.

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<v Speaker 1>Well after a lifetime of drug abuse, maybe that's what

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<v Speaker 1>you end up with.

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<v Speaker 3>This patient told us she's homeless and relies on the money.

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<v Speaker 7>Hurt way. That was a woman.

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<v Speaker 5>Wait a minute, go back and play that again.

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<v Speaker 4>Now I get ten bucks a name for my driver,

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<v Speaker 4>and but other people get twenty.

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<v Speaker 7>Let's assume they're altering the voice.

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<v Speaker 5>Maybe it's an East German swimmer.

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<v Speaker 3>This patient told us she's homeless and relies on the

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<v Speaker 3>money her cab driver has been paying her in exchange

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<v Speaker 3>for driving her to that Methodone clinic in Menlo Park

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<v Speaker 3>nearly every day, even though it's forty five minutes away

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<v Speaker 3>from where she's been sleeping.

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<v Speaker 4>How do they pay you?

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<v Speaker 2>Why don't you just pitch up a tent right next

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<v Speaker 2>to the Methodone clinic. Well, I guess you need to

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<v Speaker 2>be driving that far otherwise. This is her job. Her

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<v Speaker 2>job is to go to the Methodone clinic.

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<v Speaker 1>How many problems facing the state of California are caused

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<v Speaker 1>by the homeless, because it's not just them living in

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<v Speaker 1>the encampments creating blight in your community. Who are stealing

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<v Speaker 1>bicycles and robbing pharmacies and those sorts of things. But

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<v Speaker 1>look at all of these grifters, entire professions that exist

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<v Speaker 1>off of dealing with the homeless, whether they be these

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<v Speaker 1>phony bologne homeless services organizations, or the taxi cabs who

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<v Speaker 1>are scamming us for money dedicated to the homeless. Think

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<v Speaker 1>about the number of problems they create for all of

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<v Speaker 1>us us, just that one small population of people.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and think about the cost when you're talking about

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<v Speaker 2>all those different departments and services, and compare that to

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<v Speaker 2>what they always say is the unbelievably expensive one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and thirty thousand dollars a year to put one of

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<v Speaker 2>these people in prison.

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<v Speaker 5>You know what, I'd rather spend the money on putting

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<v Speaker 5>them in prison.

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<v Speaker 2>And one of the reasons it is one hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>thirty thousand dollars. If you're wondering why it's more expensive

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<v Speaker 2>to go to prison than to Stanford, it's because we

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<v Speaker 2>emptied out the prisons, but we didn't ever lower the

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<v Speaker 2>contracts for the prison guards union, so that cost is

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<v Speaker 2>being spread out over fewer prisoners.

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<v Speaker 1>But think about it this way, though, If you can

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<v Speaker 1>cap the cost at that to keep them in prison,

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<v Speaker 1>then your neighborhoods look better, crime rate goes down. You

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<v Speaker 1>don't have to spend the money on these phony blowning

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<v Speaker 1>organizations and these cab drivers who are scamming you and

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<v Speaker 1>everyone else who's getting their piece of the action.

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<v Speaker 5>I bet you it costs us to.

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<v Speaker 1>Allow them to live on the streets in the encampments

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<v Speaker 1>that it would to put them in very expensive prisons.

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<v Speaker 1>And there might be people that think it's inhumane to

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<v Speaker 1>put these people in prison. Okay, idea number two.

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<v Speaker 2>We take an uninhabited island, put a giant salt lick

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<v Speaker 2>of meth in the middle of it, drop off provisions

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<v Speaker 2>once a month, and they can fend for themselves.

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<v Speaker 5>Can you imagine what Catalina would look like? Then?

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<v Speaker 4>How do they pay you? In good question?

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<v Speaker 3>She wasn't the only one who told us about getting

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<v Speaker 3>paid by a cab driver twenty books.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, they're they're masking the voices. Yeah, women don't sound

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<v Speaker 1>like that on their own.

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<v Speaker 4>I was giving our twenty books a week.

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<v Speaker 5>This patient told us he used to be twenty bucks

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<v Speaker 5>a week.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, this is the same thing with the paying

0:26:52.840 --> 0:26:56.000
<v Speaker 2>the humbless to fill out the fake signatures on the

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<v Speaker 2>proposition petitions, which we have an update on that later

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<v Speaker 2>on in the show. It's really cheap to hire the

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<v Speaker 2>bums for all this stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Wasn't there an episode of Seinfeld where Kramer was going

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<v Speaker 1>to hire the bums to operate the rickshaws?

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<v Speaker 5>That's right.

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<v Speaker 3>This patient told us he used to get treatment at

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<v Speaker 3>that same bart methodone clinic more than five years ago,

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<v Speaker 3>and says even back then, the cash payments from Cabby's

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<v Speaker 3>were happening, and we're well known among recovering drug.

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<v Speaker 4>Users, like everybody. I don't know of anybody who's to

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<v Speaker 4>start Like.

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<v Speaker 2>Belfour, Everyone going to the methadone clinic is getting paid

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<v Speaker 2>to go there by the cab driver and Randy.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's get back to the details regarding the latest scheme.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a scheme where medical dollars are going to

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<v Speaker 2>taxi drivers to go incredibly long distances to take homeless

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<v Speaker 2>people to methodone clinics, and they're paying the homeless people

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<v Speaker 2>ten to twenty dollars in cash per trip.

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<v Speaker 3>He tells us at the time, he was sleeping under

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<v Speaker 3>a bridge in San Jose and was willing to take

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<v Speaker 3>the forty minute cab rine six days a week to

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<v Speaker 3>the methodone clinic.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you think that cab smelled like, Oh, they

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<v Speaker 2>might actually deserve the money, but.

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<v Speaker 3>Says he doesn't think his driver did anything wrong the way.

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<v Speaker 4>I looked at it, mcafter Ard, we're trying to hope

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<v Speaker 4>he survived, you know what I mean. I never really

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<v Speaker 4>looked at it. If than the rangemmitment.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, the cab driver was making four hundred dollars a

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<v Speaker 2>day off of your addicted ass.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well that person clearly is lacking in judgment to

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<v Speaker 1>begin with.

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<v Speaker 2>Plus, he said, for how effective is methodone and all

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<v Speaker 2>these people that are on it are still homeless.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it seems like this is just one great, big

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<v Speaker 1>money saint, doesn't it.

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<v Speaker 3>Plus he says he enjoyed going to that location. Like

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<v Speaker 3>many other patients we met, He told us he actually

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<v Speaker 3>prefers the Menlo Park Methodone clinic because staff there is

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<v Speaker 3>more lenient when patients relapse or fail mandatory drug tests.

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<v Speaker 1>Your tax dollars, kids, your tax dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is a private clinic that they're getting money

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<v Speaker 2>off of giving out their methodone to people that aren't

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<v Speaker 2>even trying to be sober.

0:29:23.960 --> 0:29:25.959
<v Speaker 3>Get them kicked out of other programs.

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<v Speaker 4>That idea of where you meet the crime where they're at.

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<v Speaker 2>That is the harm reduction ethos, meet them where they are.

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<v Speaker 2>And let's just not forget how much medical dollars go

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<v Speaker 2>to things like giving out free needles and meth pipes.

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<v Speaker 4>So if you fail a drug test because you're justing

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<v Speaker 4>positive for math or something else, they're.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, this guy was definitely on math. Even with the

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<v Speaker 2>voice altering, He's talking at a mile a minute.

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<v Speaker 5>You know what's funny.

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<v Speaker 1>When I graduated from graduate school, I was I think

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<v Speaker 1>one of two getting a master's degree in political science,

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<v Speaker 1>and there were essentially less than ten for all the

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<v Speaker 1>normal subjects that you've heard of, math, history, English, that

0:30:08.760 --> 0:30:14.600
<v Speaker 1>sort of thing. When they got to three different disciplines,

0:30:15.800 --> 0:30:21.440
<v Speaker 1>they went on forever reading names and awarding degrees. One

0:30:21.560 --> 0:30:24.760
<v Speaker 1>was education, of course, there's a lot of teachers out there.

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<v Speaker 1>One was psychology, and one was public health. And I remember, oh, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm talking to you, Babs. I remember sitting there in

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<v Speaker 1>the heat in my cap and gown, thinking I was

0:30:40.840 --> 0:30:43.040
<v Speaker 1>going to burst into flames because it was so damn

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<v Speaker 1>hot out there, thinking what the hell do all of

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<v Speaker 1>these people do with degrees in public health? Not just

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<v Speaker 1>bachelor's degrees, because this was a graduate school, master's degrees

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<v Speaker 1>in public health? What do you do with a master's

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<v Speaker 1>degree in public health? But when you're aware of all

0:31:03.240 --> 0:31:07.280
<v Speaker 1>of these scams that exist where millions, if not billions

0:31:07.280 --> 0:31:11.000
<v Speaker 1>of dollars are being thrown around, all you have to

0:31:11.040 --> 0:31:15.320
<v Speaker 1>do is attach yourself with your list of degrees to

0:31:15.400 --> 0:31:19.760
<v Speaker 1>one of these phony bologny organizations, and man, you hit

0:31:19.800 --> 0:31:22.840
<v Speaker 1>the jackpot, and then everyone kisses your ass as if

0:31:22.840 --> 0:31:24.480
<v Speaker 1>you're doing something altruistic.

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<v Speaker 4>The evidence is like crystal clear on that. So if

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<v Speaker 4>you fail a drug test because you're testing positive for

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<v Speaker 4>math or something else, they're not going to cut your

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<v Speaker 4>doughs or anything crazy like that.

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<v Speaker 2>So you can go get your method DOWNE which is

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<v Speaker 2>supposed to deal with your opiate addiction, while you're still

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<v Speaker 2>high on math, and the money.

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<v Speaker 1>That the cab drivers are giving you back in kickbacks

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<v Speaker 1>is probably going to buy more math.

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<v Speaker 3>The bar clinic told us it uses an evidence based

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<v Speaker 3>model of care to reduce overdose risk, which complies with

0:31:53.840 --> 0:31:57.640
<v Speaker 3>federal and state requirements. As for those alleged payments from

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<v Speaker 3>cab drivers, the clinic says it's now investigating and denied

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<v Speaker 3>any involvement.

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<v Speaker 6>It is worrisome.

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<v Speaker 3>Amanda Brewster is a professor at the UC Berkeley School

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<v Speaker 3>of Public Health. She specialized it what do you think

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<v Speaker 3>that Morlman's life?

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<v Speaker 5>I can only imagine.

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<v Speaker 7>No, thank you, just a whole bunch of little Barbara Ferrares.

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<v Speaker 3>She specializes in how medical systems use non medical services

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<v Speaker 3>like free transportation to improve outcomes for patients. If taxpayers

0:32:26.720 --> 0:32:29.840
<v Speaker 3>are getting stuck with the bill, Why not limit how

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<v Speaker 3>far patients can travel, especially if there are comparable facilities

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<v Speaker 3>closer to them.

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<v Speaker 6>When we're thinking about putting up hurdles to people accessing care,

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<v Speaker 6>we want to do the math to make sure that

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<v Speaker 6>we're not actually increasing the likelihood that people are going

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<v Speaker 6>to need to use the hospital later on and then

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<v Speaker 6>you end up with that pool of money.

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<v Speaker 2>Is it just something that if you're a public health director,

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<v Speaker 2>every other word is and you know.

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<v Speaker 5>Think about what she's saying here.

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<v Speaker 1>She's saying that allowing the fraud to continue and the

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<v Speaker 1>drug abuse to continue is following the science.

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<v Speaker 6>Having to go to pay for really expensive services.

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<v Speaker 3>Santa Clara County tells US it's launched its own government

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<v Speaker 3>investigation into the allegations, but says it's legally obligated to

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<v Speaker 3>approve care for patients at the Bart Clinic no matter

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<v Speaker 3>the distance.

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<v Speaker 1>They are never going to do anything about this, never well,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is the thing.

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<v Speaker 2>It's you can't even really call it fraud because what

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<v Speaker 2>they're doing is legal.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not only legal, it is allowed or it is

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<v Speaker 1>encouraged by those with advanced degrees in the subject.

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<v Speaker 5>They think this is a good thing.

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<v Speaker 3>A spokesperson telling us patients always have the right to

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<v Speaker 3>choose where they receive treatment, regardless of cost or convenience.

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<v Speaker 3>While the county is in charge of approving treatment for

0:34:03.000 --> 0:34:07.479
<v Speaker 3>medical patients, it's actually another public agency, the Santa Clara

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<v Speaker 3>Family Health Plan, that's responsible for paying transportation costs to

0:34:12.280 --> 0:34:15.600
<v Speaker 3>get to those medical appointments. The health plan wouldn't tell

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<v Speaker 3>us exactly how much it's paid Yellow Checker Cab for

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<v Speaker 3>those trips to the Bark methadone clinic, but public records

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<v Speaker 3>we obtained show more than eighty thousand of those rides

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<v Speaker 3>have been paid out by medical just within the last

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<v Speaker 3>few years.

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<v Speaker 5>And these people don't regard it as fraud.

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<v Speaker 3>So that means the total cost is likely in the millions.

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<v Speaker 3>That one was only here for five minutes. Now, as

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<v Speaker 3>a result of our reporting, the Santa Clara Family Health

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<v Speaker 3>Plan has opened an investigation, saying it's deeply troubled to

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<v Speaker 3>hear of alleged kickbacks and pledged to take every possible

0:34:55.719 --> 0:34:59.399
<v Speaker 3>action to prevent the misuse of taxpayer dollars. In fact,

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<v Speaker 3>the agency.

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<v Speaker 2>Us Yeah, the only thing that apparently is against the

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<v Speaker 2>law here is paying the homeless to take the cabs,

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<v Speaker 2>but they can legally take If the homeless want to

0:35:09.800 --> 0:35:13.040
<v Speaker 2>go to a clinic that's three hundred miles away, they

0:35:13.080 --> 0:35:15.360
<v Speaker 2>can go to a clinic three hundred miles away, and

0:35:15.400 --> 0:35:18.279
<v Speaker 2>the cab he can bill four dollars a mile for it.

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<v Speaker 1>How about this, Why doesn't Trump come in and just

0:35:22.320 --> 0:35:25.040
<v Speaker 1>arrest all the bums because none of them are paying

0:35:25.080 --> 0:35:28.520
<v Speaker 1>taxes on any of these kickbacks, that's technically tax fraud.

0:35:29.280 --> 0:35:30.160
<v Speaker 5>That's their income.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe that's what needs to happen, all right, Just another

0:35:38.480 --> 0:35:43.839
<v Speaker 1>example of California taxpayers being fleeceed by crooks and California

0:35:43.880 --> 0:35:47.319
<v Speaker 1>public officials allowing it to happen knowingly