WEBVTT - Steve Berman on the Giants after the trade deadline 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:04.320 We've got the burn Dog, the one and only mister 0:00:04.559 --> 0:00:07.720 Berman that we're all very very excited for. Steve Berman 0:00:07.840 --> 0:00:12.440 of the Athletic joining us here to talk about giants 0:00:12.480 --> 0:00:13.440 and some forty nine ers. 0:00:13.440 --> 0:00:15.120 Mister Berman, what's going on? How are you doing? 0:00:15.880 --> 0:00:16.640 I'm doing well, bro. 0:00:16.760 --> 0:00:21.200 How are you excellence? You know, just enjoying what the 0:00:21.239 --> 0:00:23.840 summer has to offer. This is the last night of 0:00:23.880 --> 0:00:26.520 summer for my kids because they go back to school 0:00:26.560 --> 0:00:27.960 now on August sixth. 0:00:27.640 --> 0:00:29.880 For some odd reason that I don't start. 0:00:29.960 --> 0:00:32.239 Back in our day, Steve, we used to go back 0:00:32.240 --> 0:00:34.680 to school after Labor Day or right there around. And 0:00:34.720 --> 0:00:36.480 now they're like, nah, we got to get these kids 0:00:36.520 --> 0:00:39.199 back in school in August when it's a tottest, when 0:00:39.240 --> 0:00:41.560 our acs are tested the most. That's what we want, 0:00:41.560 --> 0:00:44.720 all these kids in a classroom together, thirty plus strong. 0:00:44.960 --> 0:00:47.640 So uh yeah, I don't know what that's all about, 0:00:47.640 --> 0:00:48.720 but you do what you gotta do. 0:00:50.120 --> 0:00:53.559 So, I mean, by the way, yeah, one, that's ridiculous. 0:00:53.600 --> 0:00:55.600 We have late summer here. We should start the summer 0:00:55.680 --> 0:00:57.520 vacation for the kids in like mid July. 0:00:58.080 --> 0:01:00.720 Yeah, dude, it's it's ridiculous. And as of course now 0:01:00.760 --> 0:01:02.640 they're going back to school. It's been hot as heck lately. 0:01:02.640 --> 0:01:05.760 It's like, of course, it just times out perfectly. But 0:01:06.000 --> 0:01:09.080 you know, we'll save our rantings about the California education 0:01:09.120 --> 0:01:11.959 of the Bay Area for a while and substation will 0:01:11.959 --> 0:01:14.080 come into moments. But I wanted to ask your reaction 0:01:14.600 --> 0:01:17.959 about the Giants about their deadline moves. I know, they 0:01:18.040 --> 0:01:21.040 keep on losing games, and you know they're descending to 0:01:21.160 --> 0:01:23.680 new lows, but just a reaction to what they were 0:01:23.720 --> 0:01:25.760 able to do with the deadline and maybe also what 0:01:25.840 --> 0:01:27.679 they were not able to do with the deadline. 0:01:28.920 --> 0:01:32.520 Yeah, I thought, actually it as far as expectations go, 0:01:32.680 --> 0:01:35.520 it was a very productive deadline and a little almost 0:01:35.560 --> 0:01:39.280 surprisingly so, especially after the first trade the day before 0:01:39.319 --> 0:01:42.679 the deadline was Tyler Molly for Andy Molina, a guy 0:01:42.720 --> 0:01:45.880 who essentially, I mean that was the salary dump. And 0:01:45.920 --> 0:01:49.520 this is a guy with an ERA around seven in Molina, 0:01:50.320 --> 0:01:54.800 just a guy, right, So okay, Well, Mollie actually had 0:01:54.800 --> 0:01:56.920 been pitching pretty well leading up to that point. So 0:01:57.440 --> 0:01:59.200 if they can't get anything for him, are they even 0:01:59.240 --> 0:02:01.560 in a trade or they you know, what are they 0:02:01.560 --> 0:02:04.240 going to get for Luisa Rise? And it seems like, 0:02:04.320 --> 0:02:07.680 I mean, obviously you have to deal with prospect rankings 0:02:07.720 --> 0:02:10.240 and all this stuff is is a bit of a 0:02:10.240 --> 0:02:13.000 crap shoot. Even though there's some educated guesses going on, 0:02:13.440 --> 0:02:15.240 it seems like they were They did a lot of 0:02:15.240 --> 0:02:18.320 good stuff in terms of acting some adding some arms 0:02:18.320 --> 0:02:21.160 that could work in the system. I think Marquez is 0:02:21.200 --> 0:02:24.720 the guy that seems like he could be maybe on 0:02:24.760 --> 0:02:27.880 the fast tracks the big leagues and not too long. 0:02:28.320 --> 0:02:32.240 Henry Lalani is a guy who you know, seems to 0:02:32.240 --> 0:02:34.200 have some promise or they got for Elliott Ramos, and 0:02:34.600 --> 0:02:37.000 Ramos is a guy that a lot of people were 0:02:37.040 --> 0:02:39.359 sort of saying that it makes sense to trade him 0:02:39.400 --> 0:02:42.320 because he's a guy who is the right handed hitter 0:02:42.360 --> 0:02:44.440 and there weren't very many of them in the market. 0:02:44.880 --> 0:02:46.440 But you kind of felt like, all right, well he's 0:02:46.480 --> 0:02:49.639 sort of a popular player and he's a guy who 0:02:49.680 --> 0:02:51.760 is under team control. So is that really something they're 0:02:51.800 --> 0:02:54.120 gonna do. And I don't think you can really do 0:02:54.560 --> 0:02:57.320 a full rebuild when you have guys like Chapman and 0:02:57.360 --> 0:03:00.440 the Damas Endeavors in your Oscar and Logan who they 0:03:00.440 --> 0:03:02.880 said they weren't going to trade. But this was definitely 0:03:02.919 --> 0:03:05.840 a resetting of sorts for I think with what the 0:03:05.960 --> 0:03:09.040 teams like to say. Instead of rebuilt, they were really 0:03:09.080 --> 0:03:12.080 active and a lot of people throughout the industry seem 0:03:12.080 --> 0:03:13.600 to think that they did a pretty good job. 0:03:15.000 --> 0:03:16.960 What about the big three though, that you mentioned with 0:03:17.040 --> 0:03:20.120 Devers and Chapman and A Damas says still being part 0:03:20.120 --> 0:03:23.639 of this team, and you know, A Damas is what 0:03:23.720 --> 0:03:26.880 he is. You know, I like aspects of his game. 0:03:26.919 --> 0:03:30.320 Other times I find quite maddening. Chapman if he plays 0:03:30.360 --> 0:03:35.960 to his baseball card. I ostensibly like Devers, I ostensibly 0:03:36.080 --> 0:03:38.400 like if he is that guy again, but he had 0:03:38.440 --> 0:03:41.680 such a you know, the numbers of him. Since he 0:03:41.760 --> 0:03:43.600 was traded to the Giants, the team has not had 0:03:43.600 --> 0:03:46.360 a positive, you know record with him on the team. 0:03:46.400 --> 0:03:48.200 So I don't know. I mean, you still have those 0:03:48.320 --> 0:03:51.160 three guys, you do, but how. 0:03:51.080 --> 0:03:52.200 Are you going to get rid of them? 0:03:52.680 --> 0:03:53.120 Yeah? 0:03:53.480 --> 0:03:55.600 Well, what team? I mean, Chapman's probably going to be 0:03:55.600 --> 0:04:00.200 out for the season. Devers's contract is really really long 0:04:00.440 --> 0:04:04.360 and obviously has all that money involved as well, Damas 0:04:04.480 --> 0:04:06.280 not really having a very good season dealing with the 0:04:06.320 --> 0:04:09.720 back problems. Defense hasn't been that great. So what team 0:04:09.840 --> 0:04:11.400 is gonna come over and say, hey, you know what 0:04:12.360 --> 0:04:15.360 this guy who's an albatross on your roster and making 0:04:15.360 --> 0:04:16.960 a ton of money and not playing well or not 0:04:17.000 --> 0:04:19.960 playing at all. Well, let's give you some good prospects 0:04:19.960 --> 0:04:21.760 for this guy who's gonna cost us a ton of money. 0:04:21.760 --> 0:04:24.800 I mean, unless the Giants were gonna pay down well 0:04:24.800 --> 0:04:28.240 over fifty percent if any of those contracts, nothing was 0:04:28.279 --> 0:04:30.680 gonna happen. And even then, I'm not even sure if 0:04:30.720 --> 0:04:33.200 teams were really chomping at the bit to get any 0:04:33.200 --> 0:04:34.839 one of those guys. I mean, maybe a guy like 0:04:34.880 --> 0:04:37.840 Devers if you're gonna pay most of the contract off, sure, 0:04:37.920 --> 0:04:39.640 because of these guys who can hit in the playoffs. 0:04:39.640 --> 0:04:43.280 But yes, that just wasn't realistic. So I think with 0:04:43.400 --> 0:04:45.760 the hand that they were dealt, I mean, obviously it 0:04:45.800 --> 0:04:47.720 was self dealt in some respects, but with the hand 0:04:47.720 --> 0:04:50.200 they were dealt in terms of the guys who actually 0:04:50.240 --> 0:04:53.520 had some market value out there at the deadline, I 0:04:53.520 --> 0:04:57.200 think they did really well. I was actually surprised, pleasantly 0:04:57.240 --> 0:05:02.600 so for the Giants on the trades for Ray Ramos Arise, 0:05:02.680 --> 0:05:04.760 seems like that was a pretty good deal, even though 0:05:05.480 --> 0:05:08.120 you know, a lot of fans rightly so really love 0:05:08.160 --> 0:05:10.599 the way he plays and then also to get you know, 0:05:10.640 --> 0:05:13.320 a little bit of a lottery ticket Marcella Meyer, who 0:05:13.400 --> 0:05:15.120 I think Red Sox fans are kind of ready to 0:05:15.160 --> 0:05:16.880 get rid of because he was always injured and there 0:05:16.880 --> 0:05:19.680 were some questions about him just in general with his 0:05:19.720 --> 0:05:22.440 attitude and stuff. But you know, he's still only twenty 0:05:22.480 --> 0:05:24.440 three years old, and he was the number four prospect 0:05:24.480 --> 0:05:26.200 in the game like a couple of years ago. So 0:05:26.839 --> 0:05:28.279 you know, when you're in a team in the position 0:05:28.400 --> 0:05:30.400 like the Giants, you know, still and dark to the 0:05:30.400 --> 0:05:32.400 board like that is something that you really want to do. 0:05:32.520 --> 0:05:35.680 There's no reason not to at this point because you're 0:05:35.720 --> 0:05:37.560 not gonna be able to take risks otherwise. 0:05:38.560 --> 0:05:40.640 Again, we got Steve Berman, the athletic join us here 0:05:40.680 --> 0:05:44.520 on sports Phone KMBR. I will now take us over 0:05:44.600 --> 0:05:46.360 to the land of the forty nine ers. And I 0:05:46.360 --> 0:05:48.359 don't know if you heard me earlier. I assume you 0:05:48.400 --> 0:05:50.560 weren't just listening to get my entire take before you 0:05:50.640 --> 0:05:53.000 came on, But I was saying, now stay with me, 0:05:53.040 --> 0:05:55.400 because it sounds a little bit crazy that I was 0:05:55.480 --> 0:05:58.200 making a comparison with the forty nine ers to the Giants, 0:05:58.200 --> 0:06:00.760 and that the Giants all throughout the off season. We 0:06:00.839 --> 0:06:02.840 knew that they needed to improve with their pitching and 0:06:02.880 --> 0:06:05.159 their bullpen, and they didn't do it, and we saw 0:06:05.200 --> 0:06:07.760 the results right off the get go being problematic and 0:06:07.800 --> 0:06:10.680 their season was over before it began. If anyone came 0:06:10.760 --> 0:06:12.320 up to me, Steven said, Ted, what are the forty 0:06:12.400 --> 0:06:13.880 nine ers need to do this year to have success? 0:06:13.880 --> 0:06:14.960 I would say, be healthy. 0:06:15.720 --> 0:06:19.200 And they already had twenty guys out of practice today. 0:06:19.240 --> 0:06:22.760 They already have lost Ricky Piersoll, which is an extension 0:06:22.760 --> 0:06:25.320 of an injury from a year ago. They memes about 0:06:25.360 --> 0:06:29.120 the substation are out of control online. I mean, I 0:06:29.200 --> 0:06:33.040 just it's incredible that it took that few days of 0:06:33.120 --> 0:06:36.760 training camp for injuries to be the big story, when 0:06:36.800 --> 0:06:39.400 before you had your head coach in a serious car accident. 0:06:39.600 --> 0:06:42.200 Then all of a sudden, Ricky Pearsall's likely out for 0:06:42.240 --> 0:06:44.239 the year is out for the year, and you're bringing 0:06:44.279 --> 0:06:48.400 back Deebo Samuel who now with injuries to Evans and 0:06:48.480 --> 0:06:52.400 Kirk and Stribbling, he's like your one healthy wide receiver 0:06:52.520 --> 0:06:53.880 and he was only on the team. 0:06:53.680 --> 0:06:54.599 A couple days ago. 0:06:56.800 --> 0:07:00.680 Oh man, it's yeah. I think it's sort of the 0:07:00.720 --> 0:07:02.839 same thing with the Giants in terms of you know, 0:07:02.960 --> 0:07:06.120 the Giants have had just way too much nonfense this season, 0:07:06.480 --> 0:07:08.440 but it's all been kind of off the field stuff, 0:07:08.520 --> 0:07:10.120 or I guess on the field stuff with the with 0:07:10.200 --> 0:07:14.400 the outfielder celebrations. In this case, the Niners Shenanigans are 0:07:14.440 --> 0:07:17.160 just like the amount of injuries and then how they come. 0:07:17.400 --> 0:07:21.920 And so Kyle Shanahan getting that car accident before training 0:07:21.960 --> 0:07:24.960 camp started, not being there when it opens just seemed 0:07:25.080 --> 0:07:29.360 so forty nine ers in just a dark way, you know, 0:07:29.720 --> 0:07:32.320 I remember, you know, during training camp. But you know, 0:07:32.320 --> 0:07:35.120 a couple of years ago, I was in the city 0:07:35.160 --> 0:07:37.920 for a concert and I actually no, it was to 0:07:37.960 --> 0:07:41.800 go to a Giants game. And right about like i'd say, 0:07:42.080 --> 0:07:46.240 half hour after I arrived in downtown, right by Market Street, 0:07:46.560 --> 0:07:48.640 you know, there were sirens. We heard a bunch of them. 0:07:49.040 --> 0:07:51.200 And then I seen it online that Ricky Ricky Pearsall 0:07:51.240 --> 0:07:54.720 has been shot and so and I'm just and at 0:07:54.760 --> 0:07:56.320 that point it was like, is he gonna is he 0:07:56.360 --> 0:08:01.160 gonna die? The Torso, Yeah, it was one of the 0:08:01.160 --> 0:08:04.400 wilder situations, obviously, and thank goodness he came out of it. Okay, 0:08:05.080 --> 0:08:07.720 But you know this might sound awful. I guess it's 0:08:07.760 --> 0:08:09.840 okay now, because Ricky Piersoll had a being all right, 0:08:10.200 --> 0:08:12.440 but that is sort of a very forty nine ers 0:08:12.520 --> 0:08:14.240 kind of thing to happen. It seems like over the 0:08:14.320 --> 0:08:17.400 years they somehow, you know, just I guess you can 0:08:17.640 --> 0:08:21.160 have the exception of a couple seasons, you know, two 0:08:21.200 --> 0:08:23.480 seasons ago twenty four they won six and eleven, and 0:08:23.480 --> 0:08:25.720 they went six and ten and twenty twenty. Those are 0:08:25.840 --> 0:08:27.800 kind of the two years of the Shanahan Arrow where 0:08:27.800 --> 0:08:30.880 the wheels kind of fell off. But otherwise they deal 0:08:30.920 --> 0:08:35.079 with all this weird stuff that happens, whether it's contract negotiations, 0:08:35.120 --> 0:08:37.480 you know, Jimmy Garoppolo throwing on a side feel away 0:08:37.520 --> 0:08:40.160 from everybody else. There's always something, you know, Nick Bosa's 0:08:40.240 --> 0:08:43.920 contract negotiations. There's always something weird during training camp and 0:08:44.200 --> 0:08:46.920 right before the season, and then usually they're able to 0:08:46.960 --> 0:08:49.040 figure it out. I think right now that the only 0:08:49.080 --> 0:08:51.360 way you can look at this optimistically. With yes, twenty 0:08:51.440 --> 0:08:53.800 guys out of the ninety on the on the roster 0:08:54.280 --> 0:08:57.400 who were unable to practice today, A lot of those 0:08:57.440 --> 0:09:00.200 are listed as soreness. So if you want to give 0:09:00.240 --> 0:09:01.839 them the benefit of the doubt, which I'm sure a 0:09:01.880 --> 0:09:04.160 lot of fans health wise are not really willing to 0:09:04.240 --> 0:09:08.120 do so, is that maybe they're being extremely cautious this year. 0:09:08.720 --> 0:09:12.560 And in terms of if you have any sort of reason, 0:09:12.760 --> 0:09:16.679 any little tweak, you know, tightness, you're not practicing just 0:09:16.720 --> 0:09:18.600 because they want to make sure that these things don't 0:09:18.600 --> 0:09:21.120 turn into recurring injuries. Now, on the other hand, you 0:09:21.160 --> 0:09:23.160 can also look at it and if you're a conspiracy 0:09:23.240 --> 0:09:25.760 theorist or just someone who has been watching this for 0:09:25.920 --> 0:09:29.280 years and looking for some reason why the Niners team 0:09:29.320 --> 0:09:32.400 to get injured more often than other teams, and albeit 0:09:32.400 --> 0:09:35.880 at a very violent sport, the substation is gonna keep 0:09:35.960 --> 0:09:38.520 rare in its ugly head. It doesn't matter that John 0:09:38.600 --> 0:09:40.839 Lynch comes and tells everyone, hey, we actually had some 0:09:40.960 --> 0:09:43.960 scientists come in and it's fine. It doesn't actually mean anything. 0:09:44.400 --> 0:09:47.839 It's really as this perception becomes a reality at some 0:09:48.000 --> 0:09:50.520 point here. And so I don't think this means that 0:09:50.559 --> 0:09:52.880 they're gonna move their training camp facility at any point, 0:09:53.360 --> 0:09:55.960 but gosh, until you have a year where they are 0:09:56.080 --> 0:09:58.760 one of the healthiest teams in football, people are gonna 0:09:58.760 --> 0:09:59.400 still bring it up. 0:10:00.120 --> 0:10:04.080 The other thing about it is that it's so prominent 0:10:04.440 --> 0:10:07.040 in every bit of footage or picture that comes out 0:10:07.040 --> 0:10:10.040 of training camp. I mean, it's right there in the backdrop, 0:10:10.120 --> 0:10:13.839 and I mean it just you can't help but wonder. 0:10:13.920 --> 0:10:15.920 And I am not a believer in this in the 0:10:16.000 --> 0:10:18.440 sense that there's nothing backing it up. Like John Lynch said, 0:10:18.440 --> 0:10:21.200 They've had scientists come out and there's so many things 0:10:21.240 --> 0:10:24.800 about it that it doesn't make any sense. But when 0:10:24.880 --> 0:10:27.760 it's there looming over every bit of footage, like you 0:10:27.920 --> 0:10:29.960 just kind of go like, well, I don't I mean, 0:10:30.000 --> 0:10:32.439 what if what else is the answer here? Because it's 0:10:32.559 --> 0:10:35.040 just it's amazing to watch it go down when we 0:10:35.080 --> 0:10:38.040 all know that was the main issue for this team 0:10:38.240 --> 0:10:40.080 was health, and then they're dealing with all these things. 0:10:40.120 --> 0:10:42.719 But I guess, like he alluded to, none of them 0:10:42.840 --> 0:10:45.760 except for the pearce Al are supremely bad. They are 0:10:45.840 --> 0:10:49.120 being careful. They're not saying Nick Bosa Nie soreness. They're 0:10:49.200 --> 0:10:51.880 not saying, you know, other guys have you know, soreness 0:10:51.920 --> 0:10:54.520 specific to one type of thing that's you know, like 0:10:54.640 --> 0:10:57.400 Drake green Law's not sore achilles or something like that. 0:10:57.800 --> 0:11:00.559 It is nebulous phrasing the condition be like, hey, you 0:11:00.640 --> 0:11:02.160 know what, we want to make sure our guys. 0:11:02.000 --> 0:11:05.040 Are okay, Well, maybe the answer here is just to 0:11:05.160 --> 0:11:08.199 embrace the substation and make it the mascot. So I 0:11:08.320 --> 0:11:10.959 know that we all love saradough Sam, but maybe we 0:11:11.040 --> 0:11:15.240 could have the substation guy in a substation costume jumping 0:11:15.280 --> 0:11:17.440 around and saying they're going to shock the other team. 0:11:17.640 --> 0:11:19.640 I guess the Chargers might get upset about that in 0:11:19.760 --> 0:11:23.520 terms of but Paton's frigeman. Maybe, But maybe that's that's 0:11:23.600 --> 0:11:26.080 what it is. Instead of just pretending it doesn't exist 0:11:26.280 --> 0:11:29.319 and hoping that people stop talking about it, just embrace it. 0:11:29.480 --> 0:11:33.079 You know, I have T shirts the mascot. I don't know, 0:11:33.200 --> 0:11:35.160 it just seems like it's one of those things that's 0:11:35.240 --> 0:11:37.880 never going to go away now, although it you know, 0:11:38.000 --> 0:11:40.880 it wasn't really talked about, you know, gosh when the 0:11:41.120 --> 0:11:43.679 when the team was awful and not winning. Yeah, and 0:11:44.200 --> 0:11:46.080 you know, I mean they had you know, injuries here 0:11:46.120 --> 0:11:48.360 and there like any other team. I mean, the substation 0:11:48.559 --> 0:11:52.160 wasn't put in three years ago. So you know, maybe 0:11:52.200 --> 0:11:53.920 it's one of those deals where there's just so much 0:11:53.920 --> 0:11:57.960 scrutiny on this team, mainly because they've been relevant almost 0:11:58.000 --> 0:12:00.880 every season and I've lost to Super Bowl since Shanahan's 0:12:00.920 --> 0:12:03.840 got there. They've been just so close on the doorstep 0:12:03.920 --> 0:12:06.400 that people are just like, all right, we need everything 0:12:06.440 --> 0:12:08.720 to fall in a place we can finally win another one, 0:12:08.760 --> 0:12:10.880 our first one since the ninety four season when they 0:12:10.920 --> 0:12:13.840 won in January of ninety five. Please God give us 0:12:13.880 --> 0:12:16.400 a chance to win the Super Bowl. Oh man, this 0:12:16.520 --> 0:12:19.520 guy's out again and Mike Evans as a quad Oh, 0:12:19.840 --> 0:12:22.160 it's not going to happen to us. So yeah, there's 0:12:22.160 --> 0:12:24.520 a lot of gloom and doom that kind of happens 0:12:24.559 --> 0:12:28.560 with this team despite all the playoff appearances. But it's understandable. 0:12:28.600 --> 0:12:29.479 It's been frustrating. 0:12:29.960 --> 0:12:30.640 I also think a. 0:12:30.679 --> 0:12:33.880 Part of it is that there is a I don't 0:12:33.880 --> 0:12:36.400 know if jealousy is the right term, but I think 0:12:36.480 --> 0:12:38.880 a lot of the rest of the NFL fandom looks 0:12:39.000 --> 0:12:40.840 at the forty nine ers in the sense that they 0:12:40.840 --> 0:12:43.400 were already the team of the decade in the eighties 0:12:43.559 --> 0:12:45.640 and then won a Super Bowl in the nineties. But 0:12:45.720 --> 0:12:49.040 we're relevant throughout the entire decade and even went from 0:12:49.120 --> 0:12:52.520 Steve Young to Jeff Garcia, who kept them relevant essentially 0:12:52.679 --> 0:12:55.280 until the Denny Erickson era, and then you went through 0:12:55.320 --> 0:12:55.839 Mike Nolan. 0:12:56.080 --> 0:12:57.480 But then they came back with Harbaugh. 0:12:57.640 --> 0:13:00.400 They were in three straight NFC Championship games, lost to 0:13:00.440 --> 0:13:03.040 Super Bowl along the way down for a couple of years, 0:13:03.080 --> 0:13:05.240 then come back with Harbaugh, and they've been back in 0:13:05.320 --> 0:13:07.680 it essentially relevant except for those two years you mentioned 0:13:07.920 --> 0:13:10.440 where they were dealing with injuries, and like the forty 0:13:10.559 --> 0:13:14.680 nine Ers for forty years have been a constant presence, 0:13:14.920 --> 0:13:16.480 and you know, they're one of the teams that's won 0:13:16.520 --> 0:13:19.560 the most Super Bowls. Obviously, you know, the Patriots were 0:13:19.559 --> 0:13:21.640 able to surpass the Cowboys and the forty nine Ers, 0:13:21.679 --> 0:13:23.959 and the Steelers are in the conversation as well. But 0:13:24.080 --> 0:13:25.480 I mean, I feel like that is part of it, 0:13:25.559 --> 0:13:28.640 that there's almost a large enough area of the NFL 0:13:28.760 --> 0:13:31.240 fan base that doesn't view them like the Cowboys, but 0:13:31.360 --> 0:13:33.960 still doesn't hate the fact that they're having these troubles. 0:13:34.800 --> 0:13:37.760 No, absolutely not, that's for sure. And the Niners have 0:13:37.880 --> 0:13:39.760 built up a lot of good rivalries over the years. 0:13:39.800 --> 0:13:42.440 I mean, the Seahawks one really came to fruition. I mean, 0:13:42.880 --> 0:13:44.199 you and I are old enough to remember when the 0:13:44.240 --> 0:13:47.280 Seahawks are in the AFC West, and now the number 0:13:47.280 --> 0:13:49.960 one rival for the three nine Ers is the Seattle Seahawks, 0:13:50.280 --> 0:13:53.280 but they have rivalries and other divisions too, and also 0:13:53.400 --> 0:13:55.599 they're just they are, Like I think pretty much what 0:13:55.640 --> 0:13:58.319 you're alluding to is they're a top five sort of 0:13:58.400 --> 0:14:01.559 showcase brand in the NFL. Well, and that's why, you 0:14:01.640 --> 0:14:03.480 know the fact that they say we're not going to 0:14:03.559 --> 0:14:06.559 do hard knocks. The NFL says, Okay, well, then we're 0:14:06.600 --> 0:14:10.280 gonna stick you in Australia and Mexico City so in 0:14:10.360 --> 0:14:12.719 the same season. And I was gonna complain about that, 0:14:12.880 --> 0:14:15.760 but that comes with being one of the marquee teams, 0:14:16.040 --> 0:14:18.320 and especially if you're not going to do hard knocks. 0:14:18.800 --> 0:14:21.240 So yeah, I think that with the amount of time 0:14:21.320 --> 0:14:24.000 that people talk about this team, because they also not 0:14:24.240 --> 0:14:27.960 just you know, relevancy in terms of playoff appearances, but 0:14:28.080 --> 0:14:30.240 they do have just a lot of like weird news 0:14:30.280 --> 0:14:32.400 stories that happened. Like I was to talk about a 0:14:32.440 --> 0:14:34.720 little bit ago, you know, with you know, the weird 0:14:34.840 --> 0:14:37.880 weirdness of the Garoppolo and then Purty the last pick 0:14:37.920 --> 0:14:42.040 of the draft, the surfing him, the contract negotiations is 0:14:42.160 --> 0:14:45.320 ayuk saying it's been super weird. Now, granted, I think 0:14:45.720 --> 0:14:48.240 most people are not really thinking that the forty nine 0:14:48.360 --> 0:14:51.120 ers have anything that they're faull for here because a 0:14:51.200 --> 0:14:53.920 Yuk has not really done himself any favors. But it's 0:14:53.920 --> 0:14:56.080 also this there's there is a lot of noise. It's 0:14:56.120 --> 0:14:59.120 not Cowboys style noise where ESPN's talking about him on 0:14:59.200 --> 0:15:02.080 every segment, but there is a lot of probably forty 0:15:02.160 --> 0:15:04.560 nine ers fatigue just from over the decades. I think 0:15:04.600 --> 0:15:07.560 older fans, especially younger fans maybe not so much, but 0:15:07.680 --> 0:15:10.560 older fans who've been around since you know, the eighties 0:15:10.600 --> 0:15:13.520 and Joe Montana, they're probably like, Okay, well, it's fine 0:15:13.520 --> 0:15:15.080 for you guys. You had your deal with the devil 0:15:15.200 --> 0:15:16.760 back then, and it's time for you guys to have 0:15:16.800 --> 0:15:17.840 a little bit of bad luck too. 0:15:18.640 --> 0:15:21.120 What are your hopes for the forty nine ers this year? 0:15:21.320 --> 0:15:23.960 Because I feel like they are probably in a similar 0:15:24.040 --> 0:15:26.520 boat where I think they can get through the wild 0:15:26.600 --> 0:15:29.240 card round, but that story probably comes to a close 0:15:29.320 --> 0:15:32.520 in the divisional round because they just don't have what 0:15:32.760 --> 0:15:35.720 the Rams or the Seahawks have specifically, or whoever it's 0:15:35.760 --> 0:15:37.520 going to be like, when I looked at this team 0:15:37.600 --> 0:15:40.280 in twenty twenty three, I was like, Yeah, this is 0:15:40.320 --> 0:15:42.800 a team that can really go get it done. And 0:15:42.840 --> 0:15:45.080 even the way they started off that twenty nineteen season 0:15:45.120 --> 0:15:47.800 when the defense was so dominant, their run game was 0:15:47.840 --> 0:15:50.160 so dominant, and I felt differently about it. 0:15:50.160 --> 0:15:52.680 And they were younger. That's part of this narrative as well. 0:15:53.160 --> 0:15:55.560 But as they are constructed right now, it's kind of 0:15:55.640 --> 0:15:59.360 a they're good enough to get to the playoffs and lose, 0:16:00.000 --> 0:16:00.840 and that's not the point. 0:16:02.320 --> 0:16:04.320 Well, that's that's kind of where they're at. I think 0:16:04.800 --> 0:16:07.040 I'm not and I think they don't believe that they 0:16:07.120 --> 0:16:09.680 go to the playoffs and they lose. They I mean, 0:16:09.840 --> 0:16:12.640 that team last year was really not that good. I 0:16:12.680 --> 0:16:15.360 said that the entire year. I was just watching those games. Yeah, 0:16:15.560 --> 0:16:18.200 this isn't that good. This team isn't that good. And 0:16:18.280 --> 0:16:20.360 then they ended up in the playoffs. Anyways, in the 0:16:20.400 --> 0:16:23.120 toughest division of football. They went twelve and five somehow 0:16:23.680 --> 0:16:25.800 and then won a playoff game in Philly, and then 0:16:25.840 --> 0:16:28.320 you're like, oh, okay, then they go to Seattle and 0:16:28.400 --> 0:16:31.680 get their bells wrong. But but that's that team was 0:16:31.800 --> 0:16:33.800 not that great. This team, I think should be a 0:16:33.880 --> 0:16:37.120 bit better, and it seems like they've leaned into all right, 0:16:37.240 --> 0:16:40.320 this is our last chance. With all these skilled position 0:16:40.440 --> 0:16:43.040 guys and Trent Williams who are in their thirties and 0:16:43.360 --> 0:16:46.360 guys who have injury histories. So all right, they signed 0:16:46.440 --> 0:16:49.720 Mike Evans who has some injuries in the past himself 0:16:49.800 --> 0:16:51.600 and is in the thirties. They're like, all right, We're 0:16:51.640 --> 0:16:54.040 just this is the year after this year, there might 0:16:54.080 --> 0:16:57.000 be like last year there was a reset financially, I 0:16:57.080 --> 0:16:59.760 think next year, depending on what happens, there's gonna be 0:16:59.800 --> 0:17:03.120 a major reset with his team. And but you look 0:17:03.120 --> 0:17:06.240 at it also with Drake Greenlaw, Deebo Samuel bringing those 0:17:06.280 --> 0:17:08.560 guys back, So this is really like, all right, we're 0:17:08.600 --> 0:17:12.040 gonna do it. This team will go as far as 0:17:12.280 --> 0:17:14.280 the defense and the running game takes them. As you 0:17:14.320 --> 0:17:17.240 were just saying. When you look back at the defensive 0:17:17.280 --> 0:17:20.199 rankings over the years when they were good, they were 0:17:20.280 --> 0:17:25.280 top ten in most categories. In twenty twenty two, when 0:17:25.359 --> 0:17:28.520 Damiko Ryans was the defensive coordinator, they were number one 0:17:28.640 --> 0:17:32.439 in points and yards allowed per game, which is pretty outstanding. 0:17:32.960 --> 0:17:36.480 And they still haven't really made up for the fact 0:17:36.520 --> 0:17:39.440 that Demiko Ryans left solid came back last year, but 0:17:39.520 --> 0:17:42.120 the defense was the shell of itself. I think one 0:17:42.160 --> 0:17:44.240 thing it'll be interesting to see is how they handled 0:17:44.280 --> 0:17:47.720 this early schedule and if they add because right now 0:17:47.880 --> 0:17:51.720 this team I think is sorely meeting another pass rusher. 0:17:51.840 --> 0:17:54.120 If they don't get another pass rusher, then I think 0:17:54.119 --> 0:17:56.760 it's gonna be pretty difficult. Last year they were a 0:17:57.040 --> 0:17:59.440 joke in terms of sacks that they had. I was 0:17:59.440 --> 0:18:03.840 actually watching a Celebrity Jeopardy ESPN edition recently where they 0:18:04.080 --> 0:18:06.440 showed Miles Garrett on the screen. All you have to 0:18:06.440 --> 0:18:09.880 do is identify Miles Garrett was the answer to the question. 0:18:10.359 --> 0:18:14.359 But how they described it was this player for the 0:18:14.400 --> 0:18:17.200 Cleveland Browns had more sacks than one team, the forty 0:18:17.280 --> 0:18:19.679 nine ers, And I'm like, wow, the forty nine ERDs 0:18:19.720 --> 0:18:23.240 are taking trays from Joe Buck on Celebrity Jeopardy. So 0:18:23.800 --> 0:18:28.320 that's that's really like, that's pretty embarrassing. So if this 0:18:28.440 --> 0:18:31.000 team is pretty good, I think with what you've seen, 0:18:31.119 --> 0:18:33.040 especially with the Deebo signing, I mean they kind of 0:18:33.119 --> 0:18:35.200 had to do it, but still it shows that they're 0:18:35.240 --> 0:18:38.480 not thinking as much about our finances this year, and 0:18:39.720 --> 0:18:42.119 you know, working in young guys, they do want to 0:18:42.160 --> 0:18:45.440 win this year. Maybe there's this chance you get a 0:18:45.520 --> 0:18:49.520