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Speaker 1: This is Bob Tannam in the garden this morning.

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Speaker 2: We actually have Jeff from the Orchids Society of San Francisco,

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Speaker 2: and there's an event coming up at the end of

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Speaker 2: the month that I'm really looking forward to, which is

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Speaker 2: their annual Big Orchid Show. Welcome Jeff. How are you

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Speaker 2: this morning?

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Speaker 3: Thanks t D.

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Speaker 4: I'm doing great.

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Speaker 2: So.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the Pacific Orchid Exposition, or POE as we call

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Speaker 4: it in it's seventy third year and it's again in

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Speaker 4: Golden Gate Park in the County Fair Building. It's ninth

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Speaker 4: and Lincoln. The last weekend of February.

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Speaker 2: Okay, good right, the last week well, the last yeah,

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Speaker 2: I was going to say the last I don't know

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Speaker 2: why I'm taking notes, but it's not like I haven't

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Speaker 2: seen this all in writing. Ninth and Lincoln. Okay, so

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Speaker 2: the last weekend, but it also March first would be

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Speaker 2: the last day. So we're talking about the twenty seven

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Speaker 2: eighth that finishes February and then we get into March first,

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Speaker 2: just like today's February first.

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Speaker 4: I know it's why am by, Yes, definitely, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 4: So we have a preview night on Thursday night that's

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Speaker 4: like a party for like four hundred people or so.

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Speaker 4: It's cost a little more. It's a fundraiser with food

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Speaker 4: and wine. No kids under twenty one for that, but

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Speaker 4: the rest of it we do have a kids part.

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Speaker 4: There are well you've been to it. They're educational things.

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Speaker 4: They're shopping. A lot of people come. There's probably, let's

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Speaker 4: see twenty or more international and local vendors that come

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Speaker 4: from as far as like Taiwan and South America. Are

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Speaker 4: things you can't usually buy here, and then you know

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Speaker 4: they're right there for you to go look at and

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Speaker 4: kick out and get good deals. And what's really different

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Speaker 4: about this February show versus the one in the summer

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Speaker 4: Orchids in the Park, which is more of a sale.

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Speaker 4: This has a judge or display, so there's steam displays

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Speaker 4: and the themes year is called Orchid Skira, so you

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Speaker 4: know it's how it's sort of things that are should

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Speaker 4: be unusual or you don't normally see and it should

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Speaker 4: be a beautiful display as every year something a little different.

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Speaker 4: And yeah, there's about also twenty different exhibitors putting booths

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Speaker 4: with the theam display in the American Orchid Society goes

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Speaker 4: around and judges the flowers in the show and awards them.

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Speaker 4: You can see that. What else can I tell you? Educationally?

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Speaker 4: So the City College program for Environmental Horticulture and Forestry

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Speaker 4: is always there and we contribute to that to keep

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Speaker 4: our our horticulture experts being educated in the city that program.

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Speaker 4: And then we also contribute to conservation habitat, so the

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Speaker 4: Orchide Conservation Alliance is there and they do trips and

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Speaker 4: all sorts of things to save orchid habitat. So there's

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Speaker 4: a little bit of everything. Oh and then there's demos,

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Speaker 4: so people are like, I got this plant, how do

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Speaker 4: bloom again? And then there's a separate little room with

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Speaker 4: demonstrations going on each day so you can learn how

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Speaker 4: to do those things, which is you know what you

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Speaker 4: care about?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, how do you divide that symbidium?

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Speaker 5: And when Yeah, it's usually more scary, so you see

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, trimming the roots and that type of thing,

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Speaker 2: and that you know, what can you trim and the

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Speaker 2: good learning thing to watch someone do it first and

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Speaker 4: Yeah, people that the stems rebloom and then they cut

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Speaker 4: them off and it's like, oh, it was gonna bloom again.

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Speaker 4: Don't do that. So that's a big question. And then

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Speaker 4: you know, this is sponsored, like you said, by the

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Speaker 4: San Francisco Orkans Society. We meet once a month in

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Speaker 4: person as well as online on the first Tuesday night

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Speaker 4: each month. So this coming Tuesday night, we'll be meeting

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Speaker 4: in that same place in the County Fair building. It's

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Speaker 4: seven at night, and we have a lecturer and people

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Speaker 4: And another thing at the shows, obviously, besides like introducing

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Speaker 2: Are all of the meetings taped as well, so if

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Speaker 4: They are So we do we do that anymore? They're going, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: we figured out how to do it during the pandemic

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Speaker 4: we have a YouTube channel, and we record all those

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Speaker 4: you read? How do you take care of that slipper

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Speaker 4: go back and look at it. So or if you

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Speaker 2: To get you.

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Speaker 4: Wanted to go, but you know, seven o'clock's not always

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Speaker 4: good for some people, so they can't get out at night,

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Speaker 2: So or the distance is too much or the bus doesn't.

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Speaker 4: local orchid society. And we put on this with all volunteers,

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Speaker 4: you go on our website, which is www dot orkid,

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Speaker 4: San Francisco dot o rg so orkid San Francisco dot org,

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Speaker 4: everything's linked there. We also if you want to help volunteer,

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Speaker 4: there's a sign up online sign up link there and

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Speaker 4: if you come, do a three hour shift one day

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Speaker 4: to help us, even starting during setup or breakdown Sunday night.

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Speaker 4: So that's another way to help out and see things,

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Speaker 4: and we provide lunch and food the folks who while

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Speaker 4: they're keep them going while they're volunteering. So if you've

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Speaker 4: never done that, we get a closer behind the scenes.

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Speaker 4: There's always that option too.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's sweet, And you can get to that link

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Speaker 2: from the ork at San Francisco dot org.

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Speaker 4: Yes, everything goes there, and even if you're not quite sure,

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Speaker 4: just search orchids san Francisco and it should come up

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Speaker 4: on your Google Search or whatever search you use. What

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Speaker 4: else can I tell you? The I mentioned the vendors,

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Speaker 4: Aflete orchids from South Africa. Maybe they're the furthest U

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Speaker 4: We have new vendors. Sang Hua Gardens does Chinese and vidioms.

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Speaker 4: He's going to be here. Gold Country from Sacramento and

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Speaker 4: Jarren Nursery will be here selling vandas and other warmer

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Speaker 4: growing from orchids from Thailand. The orchid design from Santase.

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Speaker 4: She's been coming for a long time. Angeline Gwynn orchids

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Speaker 4: Katia from Colombia. Seed young guy from Japan Seed Studio

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Speaker 4: southern California, who is best known for the black orchid.

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Speaker 4: You know, he developed an orchid that they named a

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Speaker 4: new species after him. It's called freg markiara. And they're

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Speaker 4: so dark, dark maroon, they look black, so hopefully we'll

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Speaker 4: have some in bloom there. And they're fragrant, and in fact,

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Speaker 4: there's an interesting story about how perfume makers were trying

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Speaker 4: was thinking of from Taiwan. And then another local vendor

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Speaker 4: like a has a little shop and very creative, lots

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Speaker 4: of interesting plants, including orchids and other things. And then

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Speaker 4: Tropical Exuntique is also another plant vendor that has a variety,

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Speaker 4: wide variety of plants from all over. So I'll stop there.

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Speaker 4: But that's the sort of along with and then we

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Speaker 2: Right, got it?

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Speaker 2: We'll be right back after these messages.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to Bob Tannam in the Garden.

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Speaker 2: With Ed Tanham and our guests this morning or this

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Speaker 2: for a little clip here this morning is Jeff Harris

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Speaker 2: from the San Francisco Orchids Society. The event is coming

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Speaker 2: up at the end of February, and just to let

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Speaker 2: Flowers in San Francisco. Yeah, and then so we were

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Speaker 2: the the showers. You know, the Usually the Conservatory puts

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Speaker 2: that they get judged and there's how many different competitors

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so there are twenty exhibitors. This year, the Society

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Speaker 4: is going to do the display. The Conservatory won't be

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Speaker 4: So it's gonna we're gonna switch it up a little

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Speaker 4: them are from the vendors. The local vendors put in displays,

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Speaker 4: but the rest are other orchid societies or other plant societies,

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Speaker 4: artistic player. I want to try it out, and then

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Speaker 4: members that are going to do the stage display of

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Speaker 4: the Society we bring in our plants and then we

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Speaker 4: put it all together again volunteer thing, and it's fun

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Speaker 4: if you've never done it, to bring in what you've

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Speaker 4: the same like a professional floral thing, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's pretty that's pretty exciting that I'm looking forward

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Speaker 2: In the Garden. This was one of those songs that

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Speaker 2: something about where see, he would get offers or suppliers

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00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:26,679
Speaker 2: that would sell them fishheads and fish parts and you

435
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:31,880
Speaker 2: know Alaska fish whatever, and he would usually dig out

436
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,919
Speaker 2: a trench literally a very lower than the ground trench

437
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 2: that was about eight to twelve eight to ten inches

438
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:41,639
Speaker 2: I think, and then he would put the fish down

439
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:44,879
Speaker 2: there and then backfill all the rest of the really

440
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 2: great organic soil. But he also discovered that putting the

441
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:53,680
Speaker 2: fish too far down then it couldn't act as a

442
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 2: then reproducing fertilizer for the plants above it. They were

443
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:03,920
Speaker 2: too far apart. It would discourage the gophers, but it

444
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 2: would not necessarily feed the plants. While the time, you know,

445
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:09,880
Speaker 2: at the time when the fish were ready to rot,

446
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 2: the fish is almost rotted when they put it in

447
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:18,639
Speaker 2: the ground. By the way, yes, it's stinky, but it

448
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 2: was kind of it was a for me, it was

449
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:25,719
Speaker 2: an advantageous thing. So if you know, if you have

450
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:29,680
Speaker 2: connections to the fish, there are several ways of feeding

451
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,920
Speaker 2: your garden. Let's put it that way. There's wherever you live,

452
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:36,680
Speaker 2: there's going to be something that you could work out

453
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 2: an arrangement to harvest if you're real savvy with that,

454
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 2: making friends, you know, basically the old farmer down the road.

455
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 2: If you're looking for something that you might want to

456
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 2: add to your garden, you may want to reach out

457
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 2: to someone who has a fishery, someone who has a

458
00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 2: horse farm, or somebody who has a sheep farm or

459
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 2: chicken chickens in their backyard or something like that, and

460
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 2: they've got too much manure, you know, just make a

461
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 2: connection and get some yummy stuff for your garden. All right,

462
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 2: let's go to Anne in Half Moon Bay. Good morning

463
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 2: and welcome. How are you today?

464
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 7: Good morning? I'm fine, And I would like to know

465
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 7: what kind of fertilizer to do for fruit trees and winds.

466
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 2: I would start now with fruit trees because the weather

467
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 2: is just so weird, and I would go ahead and

468
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 2: use chicken manure and alfalfa in the early part of

469
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 2: the season. So if you've pruned your fruit trees and

470
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 2: you're ready to start fertilizing, I would start the early season.

471
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 2: Fertilizer is just the organic stuff the chicken manure if

472
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 2: you can get a hold of it, or manure of

473
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 2: any sort. And then also the alfalfa, so alfalfa pellots

474
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 2: are your micro microiza. Fertilizer gets them active so that

475
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 2: they can mulch through the manure, and then the manure

476
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 2: feeds the tree. So all of that combination is a

477
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 2: good way to start your your fruit tree fertilizer in

478
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 2: the spring. Then later on in the after they are

479
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 2: developing their fruit, I would go ahead and fertilize them

480
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 2: with the organic evy stone or there's doctor Earth. There's

481
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,719
Speaker 2: a few organic fertilizers that might be available at your

482
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 2: local nursery that you can buy in the bigger bags

483
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 2: and go ahead and put those out on the fruit

484
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 2: trees through the summer.

485
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 7: Okay, sounds good. I have a remark to make your

486
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 7: number no longer worked on the landline.

487
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 2: Oh you mean the starting with four one five?

488
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 7: Yeah, Oh, very strange.

489
00:30:49,680 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 2: That's very strange. Yes, it is very strange. Yeah, exactly. Well,

490
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 2: thank you Anne for letting us know. And I'm glad

491
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 2: you got a backup a backup held computer. Thank you

492
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 2: all right, cool, thanks for calling. So the phone numbers

493
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 2: is four one five eight eight five six zero zero,

494
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 2: So if you have more questions, give us a call.

495
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 2: So that's what I was asking about. So there was

496
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 2: somebody who mentioned something about horse manure. They have a

497
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 2: large amount of it. They've got a consistent quantity of it,

498
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 2: you know, with horse farms, and you know, so the

499
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 2: only thing you have to watch out for when you're

500
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 2: talking to a neighbor who may have a horse farm

501
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 2: is that you want to be able to have an

502
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 2: area where it can be composted. If you are familiar

503
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 2: this time of year, when you're traveling up north on

504
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 2: Highway one oh one, which I do often, there's this

505
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 2: wonderful what do you call it fragrance? Yes, not a

506
00:31:55,840 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 2: black orchid fragrance was, but a fragrance of manure. And

507
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 2: this is the I think it's the steer manure that

508
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 2: I think is collected from, or the cow cow manure.

509
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 2: And so what they do is they gather it up,

510
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 2: gather it up, gather it up and then they cover

511
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 2: the entire thing with black plastic to get it to cook.

512
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 2: So on a day like today where the weather is

513
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 2: nice and warm and everything else is going on, you

514
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 2: just go ahead and make sure that you've got that

515
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 2: thing cooking. Any compost heap can take that extra cooking

516
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 2: by being covered in black plastic, so keep that in mind,

517
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 2: and that will make it cook down faster so you

518
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 2: can use it for your spring gardening, fertilizing and all

519
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 2: the rest of that stuff. There's always the liquid fertilizer

520
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 2: that you can make yourself just by putting composts in

521
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 2: a bucket, letting it sit overnight, and then using that liquid.

522
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 2: Let's go to John before they break here. John's from

523
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 2: San Jose. Good morning, John, how are you?

524
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 3: I'm fine, Thank you. I bought some bulbs Begonia bulbs

525
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 3: at Costco and I've tried it before. They didn't work,

526
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 3: but I want to give it another shot. And it's

527
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 3: set in instructions to leave them out at room temperature

528
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 3: for a couple of weeks before planting them. Do you

529
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 3: concur with that?

530
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 7: Uh?

531
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, they do want to dry out, so you want

532
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 2: to make sure that that mulch isn't rotting the bulb,

533
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 2: but also they want to They are also telling you

534
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 2: that they may have been pre frozen during you know,

535
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 2: in a cold whatever you call it, cold storage through

536
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 2: the winter. It's a little bit early to plant them

537
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 2: out into the plant, you know, into the ground, but

538
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 2: probably in about another month is what I would do.

539
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 2: So you could leave them in the packages that you

540
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:56,959
Speaker 2: bought them from for another couple of weeks, then bring

541
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 2: them out for another couple of weeks to get them

542
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 2: completely dried out and thawed, and then after that go

543
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,719
Speaker 2: ahead and plant them in your baskets or your pots

544
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 2: or your ground whatever you're going to put them in,

545
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 2: and they will adjust and then start taking off. Remember

546
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 2: not to bury them. You always want to see that corm,

547
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:19,760
Speaker 2: like maybe half of the corm is under the ground

548
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 2: and the half is above.

549
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:24,919
Speaker 3: Oh you know that. I'm glad you told me. Maybe

550
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:26,800
Speaker 3: that's why the last ones didn't survive.

551
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't bear it.

552
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:34,720
Speaker 3: I have another question. I'm gonna I got to trim

553
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 3: my cherry tree. And he used to say cut back

554
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,919
Speaker 3: half of the new growth. Well, I don't see much

555
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 3: new growth on it, and I'm just wondering if you'd

556
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 3: give me any hints on trimming the cherry tree. Pruning

557
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:52,280
Speaker 3: the cherry tree.

558
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 2: Well, according to Edlivo, who was on My show last week,

559
00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 2: he says, the cherries and the apricots shouldn't be pre

560
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 2: in the winter. And I concur because you're gonna lose

561
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 2: your fruit at this time of the year when you

562
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 2: prune it back. So I would wait until after the

563
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 2: cherry has done its thing and then give it a

564
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 2: really hard midsummer like July or maybe August cut back,

565
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 2: and at that point it won't really matter. At that

566
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 2: point you can call it cut it to size rather

567
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 2: than worry about where the new growth was. And if

568
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 2: you cut it to size, then the following year you'll

569
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 2: be able to hopefully, you know, have enough of the

570
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 2: cherry population by covering the tree and making sure that

571
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 2: the birds don't get it or the worm doesn't get

572
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,799
Speaker 2: lay their eggs in there. The matha matha gets those

573
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:48,360
Speaker 2: little worms in the cherries. There's a technical term anyway,

574
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:50,799
Speaker 2: So yes, I would go ahead and take a look

575
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 2: at that and try not to prune them in the winter. Okay,

576
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:59,799
Speaker 2: all right, we're gonna take your Yeah, it does all right,

577
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 2: Thanks for calling all right, we're going to take our

578
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 2: last break of the morning, and then we're going to

579
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 2: take Joan and whoever else wants to get a call

580
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 2: in this morning. Eight to eight five six zero zero

581
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 2: four one five area code. Be right back.

582
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:14,320
Speaker 1: You're listening to Bob Danam in the Garden on talk radio.

583
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,320
Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and continue to take callers. We are

584
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 2: taking calls eight to eight five six zero zero. Something

585
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 2: else came up in my brain and I promptly forgot it,

586
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,840
Speaker 2: but let's go to Joan in Pleasant Hell. Good morning, Joan.

587
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 5: Good morning eighty.

588
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:29,879
Speaker 8: I have a question about how do you get rid

589
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 8: of moss in the lawn and garden.

590
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,320
Speaker 7: I have play boil, and I don't know when.

591
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,399
Speaker 8: To do, whatever I should do and what to.

592
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 2: Do well I have We've done some experimentation with a

593
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 2: bit of pH changing stuff. One of them is aluminium sulfate,

594
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 2: which is the stuff the particular material that you normally

595
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 2: play with hydrangea color with that's one of them. Then

596
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 2: the I think iron sulfate goes the other direction to

597
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:00,720
Speaker 2: the red, but the blue is the illumine and sulfate

598
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 2: to turn your pink hydraine to blue that can kill

599
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 2: off moss. And then there was something else that came

600
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 2: to my mind that you could use in the garden

601
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:15,320
Speaker 2: and not upset things too much. Was it a pH

602
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 2: changer or not. There are other sprays and such that

603
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 2: you can use in the garden, but a lot of

604
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:24,879
Speaker 2: them are made for the walkway and where they're not

605
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:29,320
Speaker 2: really considering that it will end up in the garden soil.

606
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 2: So you want to make sure that you're checking the

607
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 2: label if you buy a commercial product. But aluminum sulfate

608
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:38,839
Speaker 2: is my first. But there was something else. Oh, sometimes

609
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:42,800
Speaker 2: if you if you you shoot them some sort of

610
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:47,720
Speaker 2: an or oh, like I know, maybe this might okay,

611
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 2: this would be something to experiment with. Don't take my word,

612
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 2: but I'm thinking that you could probably dust out some urea,

613
00:37:56,160 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 2: you know, just that those little white balls. We use

614
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 2: them in my day job a lot. But I'm thinking

615
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 2: of the amount of nitrogen that those push there are

616
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 2: like a forty six zero zero nitrogen, so other things

617
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 2: around it may go crazy with growth, but in the

618
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 2: meantime you could put that on and that should burn

619
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 2: out the moss. Well that's my theory. That's my idea.

620
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 2: If anyone else has any other ideas, let me know,

621
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:25,800
Speaker 2: but that's the one I'm sticking with for now. But no,

622
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 2: I would do aluminum self. Haate to try that out first.

623
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 2: I remember that was part of that. Yeah, okay, wonderful,

624
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:38,759
Speaker 2: Thank you Joan for my water. Yeah, well, no, you

625
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 2: put it on dry, let it bur do its burning

626
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,840
Speaker 2: job first, and then you can water it in later.

627
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 2: But let it take its time to decompose and burn

628
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:49,320
Speaker 2: out the moss first as a powder.

629
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 7: Okay, will it burn my lawn, man?

630
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 2: Yes, it will burn out a little bit of the lawn.

631
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 2: Is this something that in the lawn is the moss?

632
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 7: I have one with moss, and I have the garden

633
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 7: with moss, and I have the walkways with moss or

634
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 7: everything it's gotten.

635
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, the walkways would be very simple. The open open

636
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 2: ground areas no problem. You just let it sit there.

637
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:21,879
Speaker 2: But in the lawn, I'm thinking you might just try

638
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 2: that urea and see what happens.

639
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 7: Okay, we're gonna try.

640
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:34,919
Speaker 2: Also at the nursery. Can buy it at the nursery. Yeah, yeah,

641
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 2: do it in a small area first. You're very welcome, Joan.

642
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 2: Always test before you.

643
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 4: Go.

644
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 2: Whold hog? All right, sounds good. All right, let's take

645
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:49,840
Speaker 2: Steve in pleasant and good morning, Steve. How are you today?

646
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 4: Oh?

647
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:52,760
Speaker 8: Hi, I'm doing good.

648
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:53,279
Speaker 4: Thank you.

649
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 2: Yeah.

650
00:39:56,600 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 8: The question I had was, I have a Fuji tree.

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Speaker 8: It's about twenty five thirty years old. It's a good

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Speaker 8: sized tree, producers a boatload of apples, really good tasting apples,

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Speaker 8: but about half of them end up with worms every year.

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Speaker 8: What do I spray to pick side and when?

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Speaker 2: Good? Question? Well, I'm gonna go back to last weekend's

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Speaker 2: radio show. Ed Livo does have an interesting theory. This

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Speaker 2: may or may not work for you, especially if the

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Speaker 2: tree is nice and big it gives you lots of

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Speaker 2: apples every year, but eventually maybe start to tease that

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Speaker 2: pruning system down so that you can get a grow

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Speaker 2: grow bag tree cover over that entire apple to put

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Speaker 2: on during the blooming season or right before the blooming season.

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Speaker 2: The reason I recommend that is because that moth that

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Speaker 2: lays the egg lays it in the flour, okay, and

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Speaker 2: then it develops and grows and becomes the worm that

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Speaker 2: you see in your apple. So that's the cycle that

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Speaker 2: you want to break, and that's one way to do it.

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Speaker 2: The second way to do it organically is to spray

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Speaker 2: a beneficial nematodes, which are very expensive, but you can

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Speaker 2: buy them at the nursery. You can buy them online.

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Speaker 2: You want to make sure if you go to a

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Speaker 2: nursery to buy the beneficial nematodes, they have them refrigerated. Okay,

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Speaker 2: that's how you should buy them is from a refrigerator,

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Speaker 2: because they do have it's a live bug, right thing.

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Speaker 2: You would soak that in water over night or in

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Speaker 2: a dark area, you soak them in water. You can

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Speaker 2: soak them overnight or you can soak them for a

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Speaker 2: few hours, and then at night is when you want

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Speaker 2: to spray them into the tree. So you got to

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Speaker 2: get that material separated from the They put them in

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Speaker 2: a vermiculi I think, or however they wanted to do

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Speaker 2: some sort of thing that flows that you can scoop out,

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Speaker 2: and then the rest of that water goes into a

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Speaker 2: spray and you spray it up in the tree. At night.

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Speaker 2: Then those little buggers find their shade before the sun

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Speaker 2: comes out, and they do their little thing and they

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Speaker 2: find whatever food they can find, which if it's at

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Speaker 2: the right time of year, can be that worm. So

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Speaker 2: those are the cycles to consider. Uh. And then there's

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Speaker 2: one more cycle to break, and that can be when

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Speaker 2: the fruit falls with the worm before they are released

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Speaker 2: into the air as a moth. Again, you can put

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Speaker 2: the artificial artificial the beneficial neme of toades on the

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Speaker 2: ground around the tree and that can also break the cycle.

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Speaker 2: Try that once. So those are things that the organic way.

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Speaker 4: And that's after the fruit and they starting right, that's

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Speaker 4: the the I would do it.

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Speaker 8: I would do it after blues to spray the.

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Speaker 2: Right yes, right, when you begin halfway through the bloom season,

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Speaker 2: you would spray the name of toads up into the

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Speaker 2: tree at night. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Interesting, Okay, well, thank you very much.

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Speaker 2: Sure, thank you for calling. All right, see, all right,

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Speaker 2: all right, everybody, So we are looking forward to three

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Speaker 2: weeks that we're not sure will be will be mostly

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Speaker 2: best of pre recorded, as they say. We're gonna have

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Speaker 2: this wonderful author on Charlie Nardosi and he's going to

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Speaker 2: be talking about his recent book called The Continuous Vegetable Garden.

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Speaker 2: You can look up his name and you can go

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Speaker 2: to his website and find out more about Garden with

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Speaker 2: Charlie dot com. Uh, that's gonna be fun. So I

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Speaker 2: do have that interview and at Livo's repeat will be

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Speaker 2: at the end of the month. I'm really looking forward

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Speaker 2: to that, and I'm going to see him this week too,

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Speaker 2: so it's gonna be fun. And so those are things

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Speaker 2: looking forward to and looking exciting, exciting,