WEBVTT - Depravity, Prosperity...Then Doomsday 0:00:02.930 --> 0:00:06.770 Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio at the 0:00:06.810 --> 0:00:08.790 George Washington Broadcast Center. 0:00:08.850 --> 0:00:12.570 Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty. Armstrong and Getty. 0:00:12.750 --> 0:00:25.200 And now, here's Armstrong and Getty. 0:00:25.220 --> 0:00:27.200 Elon Musk was asked about what it's like to be 0:00:27.220 --> 0:00:28.480 a trillionaire, among other things. 0:00:29.140 --> 0:00:30.540 We'll get to that a little bit later in the show. 0:00:30.900 --> 0:00:35.860 It's essentially, why do you keep working? And his answer 0:00:35.940 --> 0:00:37.620 was fascinating. 0:00:37.860 --> 0:00:40.000 Yeah, well, his answer to what's it like being a 0:00:40.020 --> 0:00:41.900 trillionaire was, I don't think about it much. 0:00:44.500 --> 0:00:46.879 We might be talking about two different pieces of audio. Oh, 0:00:46.900 --> 0:00:50.510 could be. Oh, we have multi-Elons. Oh, so interesting. Stay 0:00:50.520 --> 0:00:50.810 with us. 0:00:52.330 --> 0:00:54.910 So I didn't think there were probably any more developments 0:00:54.950 --> 0:00:57.510 in the Cornell 7 case that were going to interest 0:00:57.550 --> 0:01:00.510 me that much. Then ABC got the exclusive. And I 0:01:00.510 --> 0:01:03.470 don't know if Aaron Konturski explains how they got this. 0:01:05.100 --> 0:01:06.740 Because they were the only there was an exclusive to 0:01:06.800 --> 0:01:10.220 the only ones that have it. It's the recordings of 0:01:10.319 --> 0:01:15.180 the phone calls between some of the dudes that were 0:01:15.340 --> 0:01:19.480 at the gang rape, if you call it that, or, 0:01:19.810 --> 0:01:21.830 you know, consensual sex, if you call it that, or 0:01:21.990 --> 0:01:22.990 that event that night. 0:01:23.530 --> 0:01:26.569 The unfortunate incident. Why don't we go with that? So 0:01:26.590 --> 0:01:28.350 we don't fall into the same trap as a lot 0:01:28.390 --> 0:01:32.170 of people, which is which I'll belabor in a little while. 0:01:33.250 --> 0:01:37.690 But so, you know, they don't they don't play her voice, thankfully, 0:01:37.800 --> 0:01:42.980 because that would be horrifying. Well, maybe it's where she's 0:01:43.020 --> 0:01:44.100 making false accusations. 0:01:44.160 --> 0:01:44.479 True. 0:01:44.560 --> 0:01:46.940 Then it's pretty horrifying that they're playing the dude's voices. 0:01:47.660 --> 0:01:49.400 And I don't know the legal ins and outs of 0:01:50.800 --> 0:01:53.630 them having this and playing it and it becoming public 0:01:53.650 --> 0:01:54.590 and all that sort of stuff. 0:01:55.410 --> 0:01:56.590 It doesn't seem good. 0:01:56.910 --> 0:02:01.150 Since nobody has been convicted of anything, I've never liked, 0:02:01.390 --> 0:02:07.160 you know, 911 calls or body cam footage. You know, 0:02:07.220 --> 0:02:11.940 if you're not guilty of something yet, I hate that 0:02:12.000 --> 0:02:14.080 being out there for public conversation. 0:02:14.680 --> 0:02:18.310 And I must point out, found guilty. They haven't even 0:02:18.340 --> 0:02:20.530 been accused. There aren't any charges. 0:02:21.710 --> 0:02:21.890 Anyway. 0:02:22.419 --> 0:02:24.230 It's compelling. I hope you find it as compelling as 0:02:24.290 --> 0:02:26.320 I did. This is Aaron Katursky from ABC. 0:02:27.100 --> 0:02:29.600 Want me to give my recollection of the entire night? 0:02:29.870 --> 0:02:32.610 Three weeks after her traumatic night at the Chi Phi house, 0:02:32.690 --> 0:02:35.489 a then Cornell student now known as Jane Doe called 0:02:35.590 --> 0:02:38.710 Matthew Ingalls, the friend who invited her to the fraternity 0:02:38.750 --> 0:02:42.150 that night, recording the entire conversation. She told him she 0:02:42.169 --> 0:02:44.870 spent time in the emergency room and in therapy because 0:02:44.910 --> 0:02:47.650 there's so much damage on my body and my brain. 0:02:47.810 --> 0:02:49.790 She said, if I wanted to take this somewhere, what 0:02:49.830 --> 0:02:52.710 y'all did would be classified as gang rape. You already 0:02:52.750 --> 0:02:55.190 knew when I came in, I was 10 shots deep. 0:02:55.730 --> 0:02:57.710 Ingalls responded with a different recollection. 0:02:57.889 --> 0:02:59.570 You did tell me you were sober, by the way. 0:03:00.150 --> 0:03:00.710 You did. 0:03:00.730 --> 0:03:02.010 You said you hadn't been anywhere. 0:03:02.450 --> 0:03:05.330 Jane Doe said she was 100% sure she told him 0:03:05.389 --> 0:03:07.630 she had been at a bar for a sorority event, 0:03:07.810 --> 0:03:08.790 and I never lie. 0:03:08.810 --> 0:03:12.110 I don't know if I had missed the detail that 0:03:12.169 --> 0:03:14.570 she had to go to the hospital to get. 0:03:16.450 --> 0:03:20.450 After that night. The only description of injuries I've heard 0:03:20.630 --> 0:03:24.780 is that she was bruised because some guy, quote, Beat 0:03:24.900 --> 0:03:27.340 her buttocks, which I think was probably some sort of 0:03:27.419 --> 0:03:32.700 spanking thing. There may be others I'm unaware of. Let's 0:03:32.760 --> 0:03:33.700 roll through some more of this. 0:03:34.280 --> 0:03:36.280 She asked him how they ended up in a threesome 0:03:36.310 --> 0:03:37.430 with one of his frat brothers. 0:03:37.810 --> 0:03:43.270 So you come in, say hi. We start dancing for 0:03:43.350 --> 0:03:46.250 like maybe three to five minutes. And then I pop 0:03:46.270 --> 0:03:50.450 the question. You say yes. Then I remember like we 0:03:50.490 --> 0:03:52.540 didn't know who else to bring. So I go to. 0:03:53.590 --> 0:04:03.930 That's not what people usually mean by popped the question. 0:04:04.410 --> 0:04:06.910 Interesting use of the phrase, yes. And according to the 0:04:06.970 --> 0:04:13.090 police report, she said, yeah, that's a great idea. We 0:04:13.150 --> 0:04:13.520 roll on. 0:04:14.260 --> 0:04:16.719 Jane Doe then asking for his help to identify all 0:04:16.740 --> 0:04:19.180 of the men, saying she remembered four in the bed 0:04:19.360 --> 0:04:22.390 and more standing around the room. Ingalls seemed to suggest 0:04:22.529 --> 0:04:24.469 both of their memories may not be accurate. 0:04:25.070 --> 0:04:29.250 I have racked my brain for this mystery. You know, 0:04:29.350 --> 0:04:31.790 it's possible that both of us, like, remember this and 0:04:31.870 --> 0:04:32.550 it's not true. 0:04:32.910 --> 0:04:36.250 Jane Doe pushed back, saying, no, because I remember looking 0:04:36.330 --> 0:04:38.650 up and being like, that is too many people. She 0:04:38.690 --> 0:04:40.810 then asked, do you remember how any of these guys 0:04:40.870 --> 0:04:41.330 walked in? 0:04:41.350 --> 0:04:47.440 The party was sort of... like, crowded, so people started, like, 0:04:48.720 --> 0:04:50.680 filling up the balcony just because there was nowhere else 0:04:50.720 --> 0:04:50.940 to go. 0:04:50.960 --> 0:04:58.159 Yeah, I don't know about that. Well, I get why 0:04:58.200 --> 0:05:02.800 they're keeping her name out of it, I think. At 0:05:02.820 --> 0:05:05.830 the same time, though, it's like I'm always sometimes unhappy 0:05:05.870 --> 0:05:08.130 that we have audio. We have the answer and not 0:05:08.170 --> 0:05:11.770 the question because then you're missing the context. So I 0:05:11.790 --> 0:05:15.200 don't know what he was responding to. And Aaron Katursky 0:05:15.220 --> 0:05:17.760 is a lovely fellow, but he may not have framed 0:05:17.820 --> 0:05:20.159 the question correctly. Next. 0:05:20.620 --> 0:05:23.260 Ingalls did not mention that during the incident, he posted 0:05:23.300 --> 0:05:25.700 to a group on Snapchat a photo of her in 0:05:25.740 --> 0:05:29.340 bed and an invitation to his fraternity brothers saying, boys, 0:05:29.460 --> 0:05:30.260 come whip it out. 0:05:31.580 --> 0:05:35.500 Is that the guy that she at some point like 0:05:35.540 --> 0:05:37.979 was romantically interested in and kind of hoping they would 0:05:38.000 --> 0:05:38.800 have a relationship? 0:05:39.600 --> 0:05:42.659 I think so from the context. Because that's who she 0:05:42.760 --> 0:05:45.500 called to talk about it all with a couple of times. 0:05:45.580 --> 0:05:48.890 You misjudged him and how he looks at you if 0:05:48.930 --> 0:05:55.410 he is texting his friends, hey, look. Because that's not 0:05:55.450 --> 0:05:56.510 the kind of boyfriend you want. 0:05:58.880 --> 0:05:59.290 It goes on. 0:05:59.850 --> 0:06:03.250 Cornell expelled Ingalls and another student and suspended two others. 0:06:03.510 --> 0:06:06.969 In this video obtained by ABC News, Cornell police inform 0:06:07.029 --> 0:06:09.750 one of the suspended students he is unwelcome on campus. 0:06:10.230 --> 0:06:11.040 Take a look at that. 0:06:11.300 --> 0:06:15.800 Curvy, temporary, dispensing. He is barred from any of the 0:06:15.839 --> 0:06:18.339 grounds owned, operated, or maintained by Cornell University. 0:06:18.580 --> 0:06:21.920 All seven fraternity brothers have denied wrongdoing. Ingalls has not 0:06:21.980 --> 0:06:25.830 responded to Jane Doe's lawsuit, but during Cornell's internal investigation, 0:06:25.870 --> 0:06:29.370 he said he was too intoxicated to consent. And suggested 0:06:29.430 --> 0:06:31.089 Jane Doe assaulted him. 0:06:31.350 --> 0:06:37.150 That's a new development. From yesterday. I get it, legally speaking. Oh, 0:06:37.210 --> 0:06:38.680 you were drunk? I was drunk. 0:06:42.480 --> 0:06:45.620 And now into some of the text message stuff. 0:06:46.800 --> 0:06:49.660 ABC News reviewed text messages some of the frat brothers 0:06:49.740 --> 0:06:52.339 exchanged that appeared to show a scramble to contain the 0:06:52.400 --> 0:06:56.599 fallout after Cornell temporarily suspended the Chi Phi chapter. When 0:06:56.620 --> 0:06:58.620 was the last time you spoke to Jane Doe? The 0:06:58.640 --> 0:06:59.840 fraternity president asked. 0:07:00.120 --> 0:07:00.640 Yesterday. 0:07:00.800 --> 0:07:03.080 What's the plan of action? Should I call her? I 0:07:03.100 --> 0:07:05.740 don't think she would have reported this. ABC News also 0:07:05.800 --> 0:07:09.099 obtained videos of interviews with witnesses, one of whom tells 0:07:09.160 --> 0:07:12.720 Cornell investigators the fraternity brothers tried to get their story straight. 0:07:14.220 --> 0:07:18.200 As an ugly scene that night. That is untoward, man, 0:07:18.480 --> 0:07:21.340 that whole thing. That is untoward. 0:07:22.880 --> 0:07:25.480 I've read a couple of really interesting opinion pieces by 0:07:25.600 --> 0:07:33.640 women talking about porn culture and the slut. Look, I'm 0:07:33.670 --> 0:07:35.610 a slut and isn't that cool culture? 0:07:35.630 --> 0:07:38.250 I've been talking about that for years with the comedian thing, 0:07:38.690 --> 0:07:39.990 female comedians, and how. 0:07:39.990 --> 0:07:43.660 Cool it is to be slutty. Yeah, yeah, the sex 0:07:43.800 --> 0:07:50.370 positive left and all that stuff. And Bethany Mandel wrote 0:07:50.380 --> 0:07:52.370 a good piece in the New York Post and Caitlin 0:07:52.400 --> 0:07:56.370 Flanagan in the Free Press. And, you know, anybody who's 0:07:56.450 --> 0:08:00.710 rushing to, well, practically freaking everybody is rushing to, one 0:08:00.770 --> 0:08:03.130 side is right, the other side is clearly wrong. I mean, 0:08:03.150 --> 0:08:05.690 like all the students who are marching across the campus 0:08:05.770 --> 0:08:10.770 protesting like crazy. What's the headline? Is it the New 0:08:10.810 --> 0:08:17.880 York Times? boy, that this flap has just upended the 0:08:17.920 --> 0:08:20.580 tenure of Cornell's president. Oh, it's the Wall Street Journal. 0:08:21.900 --> 0:08:26.370 A thousand students marching across the campus demanding justice for 0:08:26.400 --> 0:08:30.070 the woman and that Cornell did a poor job of 0:08:30.150 --> 0:08:34.429 protecting her. That is classic begging of the question, though, 0:08:34.450 --> 0:08:37.900 the way that fallacy actually works. We demand justice for 0:08:37.940 --> 0:08:40.820 the woman. OK, we've got to figure out whether justice 0:08:40.980 --> 0:08:43.060 is due to the woman. We need to understand the 0:08:43.100 --> 0:08:45.100 facts of the case. But they leap straight to the 0:08:45.140 --> 0:08:50.600 conclusion in asking the question. Well, I like gender affirming 0:08:50.660 --> 0:08:52.620 care is another example of it. Wait a minute. Wait 0:08:52.640 --> 0:08:55.240 a minute. Wait a minute. You've just forced me to 0:08:55.300 --> 0:08:58.480 assume you're correct, that this is the person's gender and 0:08:58.500 --> 0:09:00.300 we need to affirm it. I'd like to debate each 0:09:00.350 --> 0:09:01.260 and every one of those points. 0:09:02.690 --> 0:09:04.929 Unless something new comes out, I don't think I've ever 0:09:04.970 --> 0:09:08.030 at any point thought there is any prosecutable crime. But 0:09:08.090 --> 0:09:11.830 my guess would be it started out as something that 0:09:12.550 --> 0:09:15.970 most people would think was okay, wild but okay, and 0:09:16.030 --> 0:09:20.950 turned into something that most people would think was not okay. 0:09:21.190 --> 0:09:24.910 And it wove back and forth, which is the interesting part. Well, 0:09:24.970 --> 0:09:25.630 once you cross into not okay. 0:09:25.650 --> 0:09:27.250 Because when she said, I'm tired, I got to go 0:09:27.290 --> 0:09:30.400 to bed, everybody was like, okay, good night. Once it 0:09:30.420 --> 0:09:32.330 turns into not okay, you're in a not okay territory. 0:09:32.350 --> 0:09:34.420 It doesn't matter if it goes back or not. But 0:09:34.620 --> 0:09:36.929 I would guess that turned into what most people would 0:09:36.970 --> 0:09:40.050 consider not okay at some point. 0:09:40.090 --> 0:09:41.650 But, you know, that's what happens. 0:09:41.690 --> 0:09:43.810 You got a bunch of drugs and booze and everybody's 0:09:43.850 --> 0:09:45.550 hammered and it's the middle of the night and then 0:09:45.830 --> 0:09:47.530 nobody can remember and et cetera. 0:09:47.550 --> 0:09:50.750 Et cetera. Then you mix group sex in. People don't 0:09:50.830 --> 0:09:53.390 often make the best decisions while they're, you know, in 0:09:53.410 --> 0:09:55.110 the midst of a sexual semi-frenzy. 0:09:55.250 --> 0:09:59.550 On various levels of hammered, I'm sure, from not very 0:09:59.590 --> 0:10:04.280 hammered to completely blotto, barely remember it, and everything in between. 0:10:04.980 --> 0:10:05.280 Yeah. 0:10:06.400 --> 0:10:09.660 Yeah. 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Because he had a wild 0:11:47.280 --> 0:11:49.689 night in college that may or may not have included 0:11:49.870 --> 0:11:50.850 inappropriate activity. 0:11:51.600 --> 0:11:54.260 But nobody's been charged with anything at this point. So 0:11:54.540 --> 0:11:56.720 I know his name. I've heard his voice. I've heard 0:11:56.760 --> 0:11:58.720 his private conversations with this woman. 0:11:59.580 --> 0:12:03.080 Why? Michael, I'm curious about 66 because I was talking 0:12:03.100 --> 0:12:04.560 about this yesterday. Hit that, would you please? 0:12:05.020 --> 0:12:07.939 An attorney representing one of the students is calling on 0:12:08.020 --> 0:12:11.920 New York State Attorney General Letitia James to recuse herself 0:12:12.340 --> 0:12:15.740 as special prosecutor based on a social media post from 0:12:15.780 --> 0:12:19.860 days earlier where James expressed support for the alleged victim. 0:12:20.450 --> 0:12:23.700 Oh, yeah, that's putting it very mildly. She presumed the 0:12:23.720 --> 0:12:25.860 guilt of these people and said that the victim had 0:12:26.720 --> 0:12:28.920 deserved justice for what was done to her, which is 0:12:29.020 --> 0:12:32.400 precisely what a lawyer is forbidden from saying, trying a case. 0:12:33.220 --> 0:12:35.360 I thought this was interesting. They're talking about the president 0:12:35.380 --> 0:12:38.079 of the university, this poor beleaguered old man who's like, 0:12:38.120 --> 0:12:40.420 what the hell is with the kids these days? He 0:12:40.500 --> 0:12:41.960 doesn't say that out loud, but he's got to be 0:12:41.980 --> 0:12:46.849 thinking it. The home to his office, the big administrative building, 0:12:47.070 --> 0:12:49.979 a glass door was shattered. It was shattered. And messages 0:12:50.020 --> 0:12:52.540 were scrawled in red paint on the exterior walls reading, 0:12:52.900 --> 0:12:57.520 smash the patriarchy. And at Cornell, rapists are protected, protesters 0:12:57.580 --> 0:13:01.680 are expelled. And then they talk about some other protests 0:13:01.720 --> 0:13:05.490 going on. Israel bombs, Cornell pays, and blood is on 0:13:05.520 --> 0:13:09.770 your hands. Wait a minute, Israel? Holy cow. Let's exploit 0:13:10.370 --> 0:13:14.750 any conflict and do as much damage as possible, say 0:13:14.770 --> 0:13:18.350 the Marxists and, you know, the Islamists who feed them, so. 0:13:20.150 --> 0:13:21.950 You know, justice is going to have to fight its 0:13:22.010 --> 0:13:24.890 way through an angry mob in this case in one 0:13:24.929 --> 0:13:25.770 direction or the other. 0:13:27.220 --> 0:13:29.060 So I mentioned that Elon Musk stuff. We'll hear from 0:13:29.100 --> 0:13:33.300 that interview. It's pretty interesting. Also, TV evangelism is not 0:13:33.340 --> 0:13:36.959 really a thing anymore, isn't it? People don't watch TV anymore. 0:13:37.540 --> 0:13:39.640 I think it is. It's just there are a zillion 0:13:39.679 --> 0:13:43.370 channels of everything. So, yeah. It's not anything like it 0:13:43.470 --> 0:13:43.679 used to. 0:13:44.230 --> 0:13:44.910 Oh, no, no. 0:13:45.010 --> 0:13:46.690 It exists on YouTube. 0:13:46.809 --> 0:13:49.670 One of the biggest TV evangelists of all time died yesterday. 0:13:49.730 --> 0:13:52.270 We'll take a look at his life briefly and that 0:13:52.309 --> 0:13:53.050 whole phenomenon. 0:13:53.790 --> 0:13:55.720 It was interesting. I remember as a kid being mystified 0:13:55.740 --> 0:13:59.260 by that when it'd be on some Sunday mornings. Still mystified. 0:13:59.700 --> 0:14:11.459 No kidding. All right. Stay tuned. Armstrong and. 0:14:09.920 --> 0:14:12.059 Getty. 0:14:12.080 --> 0:14:13.840 The Armstrong and Getty Show. 0:14:17.440 --> 0:14:21.060 Even if you don't know or remember who Jim Baker was, 0:14:21.100 --> 0:14:24.900 the TV evangelist, we'll take a look at that whole thing. 0:14:24.920 --> 0:14:27.320 I got a bunch of the details, some of which 0:14:27.380 --> 0:14:31.480 I had forgotten about how big a deal he was, 0:14:32.100 --> 0:14:36.160 the sex scandal that brought him down, everything else. It's 0:14:36.480 --> 0:14:39.460 pretty darn interesting. And Joe and I worked in Charlotte, 0:14:39.500 --> 0:14:41.600 North Carolina, which is where the whole thing was based 0:14:41.780 --> 0:14:45.800 shortly after his fall. And some interesting details about that 0:14:45.990 --> 0:14:46.270 coming up. 0:14:46.830 --> 0:14:48.980 Absolutely. I remember it well. So a little more on 0:14:49.000 --> 0:14:53.320 the Cornell quote-unquote rape case, and that is what the 0:14:53.380 --> 0:14:57.680 question that needs to be decided is. Was it rape? 0:14:58.440 --> 0:15:01.550 This is just classic college campuses in the modern era. 0:15:03.590 --> 0:15:07.610 More than 1,000 furious protesters marched on Cornell University's campus 0:15:07.650 --> 0:15:10.460 Monday in support of the woman allegedly gang-raped in her 0:15:10.500 --> 0:15:13.910 fraternity and demanded the resignation of the school's president. We 0:15:13.990 --> 0:15:17.229 are all Jane Doe, read one sign in the massive 0:15:17.250 --> 0:15:19.450 crowd of students. And I think we're supposed to read 0:15:19.490 --> 0:15:22.450 that and go, wow, wow. I want to know, what 0:15:22.490 --> 0:15:25.010 do you mean? Based on what we know, what do 0:15:25.030 --> 0:15:29.140 you mean by that? We are all young women who 0:15:29.180 --> 0:15:31.620 go to fraternity parties and ascent to a threesome and 0:15:31.660 --> 0:15:34.400 get hammered, and then things get way out of hand 0:15:34.460 --> 0:15:42.970 or what? Others wave placards insisting alcohol is not consent. Again, 0:15:43.310 --> 0:15:47.830 what do you mean exactly? And support survivors. Listen to students. 0:15:48.530 --> 0:15:50.930 Where is that currently, the whole alcohol thing? I know 0:15:50.970 --> 0:15:54.080 there was a lot of different stuff talked about during 0:15:54.130 --> 0:15:58.340 the wokepocalypse that if anybody had anything to drink, there 0:15:58.360 --> 0:16:01.660 was no such thing as consent. What is the legal standard? 0:16:02.240 --> 0:16:06.340 It's absolutely idiotic. Because when it comes to drinking legal standards, 0:16:06.520 --> 0:16:09.180 I can be hammered drunk and any crime I commit, 0:16:09.240 --> 0:16:10.470 I'm fully responsible for. 0:16:11.260 --> 0:16:13.480 Yeah, in New York, and you'd have to check the 0:16:14.020 --> 0:16:16.180 lawn in every state, but in New York, if you 0:16:16.240 --> 0:16:21.740 willingly ingest the booze, then you can't accuse somebody of, quote, unquote, 0:16:22.320 --> 0:16:25.810 you know, drugging you or getting you hammered and then 0:16:26.070 --> 0:16:28.150 doing things against your will. If you willingly take in 0:16:28.170 --> 0:16:30.610 the booze, then willingly engage in the act, it's on you. 0:16:31.030 --> 0:16:32.190 It's pretty specific. 0:16:32.610 --> 0:16:35.530 And I understand when people make the argument about, you know, 0:16:35.630 --> 0:16:39.430 I was drunk or whatever, whether it's the sex or alcohol. 0:16:40.810 --> 0:16:42.870 But if we if you go down that road, there's 0:16:42.910 --> 0:16:47.590 no way you can structure society. Yeah, yeah, exactly. You know, 0:16:47.670 --> 0:16:49.930 and I could get back into more of the chants 0:16:50.000 --> 0:16:53.220 and placards and what the angry little kids are screaming for. 0:16:53.320 --> 0:16:56.100 And angry little kids are screaming for something every day 0:16:56.160 --> 0:17:00.060 on college campuses. I'm not impressed. But, yeah, the idea 0:17:00.120 --> 0:17:03.470 that as a guy, I'm a guy, so I'll say 0:17:03.490 --> 0:17:05.680 it from a guy's perspective. The idea that a girl 0:17:05.720 --> 0:17:08.440 has a couple of drinks and then we decide to 0:17:09.040 --> 0:17:12.580 have whatever brand of fun we do and she assents 0:17:12.660 --> 0:17:14.830 to absolutely all of it, then regrets it and says, 0:17:14.869 --> 0:17:16.970 you know, I'd had a couple of drinks and then 0:17:17.130 --> 0:17:22.810 I go to prison. That's abhorrent, abhorrent. Now, in this case, 0:17:23.350 --> 0:17:26.929 this could be an again. The facts will out. The 0:17:26.970 --> 0:17:29.500 kids aren't willing for the facts to come out. In fact, 0:17:29.540 --> 0:17:33.300 they're angry at the university president specifically because he said 0:17:33.380 --> 0:17:35.440 we can't rush. We need to figure out what the 0:17:35.540 --> 0:17:38.540 facts are. They hate him for that. But there are 0:17:38.560 --> 0:17:41.690 one of the great, I think, diseases of modern life 0:17:41.750 --> 0:17:47.130 is people think there is a legal, a government manifested 0:17:47.330 --> 0:17:52.020 remedy for everything that's bad or there should be. They 0:17:52.100 --> 0:17:55.720 think because this woman ended up in a situation that 0:17:55.820 --> 0:17:59.179 ended up being awful and she regrets and it was 0:17:59.220 --> 0:18:01.900 bad in a lot of different ways, the government must 0:18:01.980 --> 0:18:06.040 have a remedy for that. And our justice system, and 0:18:06.160 --> 0:18:11.380 this should be the case, says nobody broke any laws. Yes, 0:18:11.440 --> 0:18:16.240 this was very bad, very unfortunate, very unpleasant. There are 0:18:16.440 --> 0:18:19.080 repercussions that will be felt for many years from this. 0:18:19.359 --> 0:18:21.939 There's not a legal remedy. That's why you have to 0:18:22.020 --> 0:18:24.480 manage your own life and not ask the government to 0:18:24.540 --> 0:18:26.920 manage it for you. More on that theme to come. 0:18:27.600 --> 0:18:46.490 Stay with us. Armstrong and Getty. The Armstrong and Getty Show. 0:18:50.490 --> 0:18:56.540 Jim Baker's dead. He was a really, really big deal. 0:18:56.619 --> 0:18:58.619 I don't know how many of you remember the name. 0:18:58.640 --> 0:19:02.060 A televangelist and one of the biggest deals in that 0:19:02.119 --> 0:19:05.100 world in the history of that sort of thing. And 0:19:05.140 --> 0:19:10.350 he died at the age of 86 last night. He 0:19:10.470 --> 0:19:14.949 had on television, it peaked in the 80s, He had 0:19:14.990 --> 0:19:17.330 his own channel. He had his own 24-hour channel right 0:19:17.350 --> 0:19:19.290 when that was, like, taken off with CNN and that 0:19:19.310 --> 0:19:21.109 sort of stuff. He had his own 24-hour channel. Him 0:19:21.130 --> 0:19:24.480 and his wife, Tammy Faye, raising money. And they did 0:19:24.500 --> 0:19:27.260 a show, which we're about to play a clip of. 0:19:29.730 --> 0:19:33.070 That kind of had a Carson-like feel, like Johnny Carson-like 0:19:33.130 --> 0:19:36.359 feel to it, if you don't remember seeing it. It 0:19:36.660 --> 0:19:38.500 had a desk and a couch and a band and 0:19:38.560 --> 0:19:41.859 celebrity guests, and it felt like entertainment, not a sermon. 0:19:41.880 --> 0:19:45.150 But his whole thing was, it's like today's prosperity gospel. 0:19:45.190 --> 0:19:48.929 It was the, you give money to us, and it's 0:19:49.030 --> 0:19:52.590 part of the whole, God will reward you by making 0:19:52.630 --> 0:19:55.909 you prosperous. And he always claimed they were on the 0:19:55.950 --> 0:20:03.180 verge of going broke, even though they had a 2,600 acre, 0:20:03.240 --> 0:20:06.639 was that how big it was? Theme park there outside. Yeah, 0:20:06.640 --> 0:20:12.239 2,300 acre Christian theme park. in Fort mill, South Carolina 0:20:13.420 --> 0:20:17.710 that drew 6 million visitors a year. It was behind 0:20:17.910 --> 0:20:21.270 only Disneyland and Disney world is the most visited theme 0:20:21.310 --> 0:20:22.650 parks in America. 0:20:23.270 --> 0:20:24.390 That's how big he was. 0:20:24.670 --> 0:20:29.210 He was taking in the equivalent of today, $ 400 million 0:20:29.250 --> 0:20:29.490 a year. 0:20:30.130 --> 0:20:34.389 Good Lord. I know the Bible is the first host 0:20:34.430 --> 0:20:38.020 of the 700 club and then founded the PT. I'm 0:20:38.260 --> 0:20:39.700 then the PTL club. 0:20:40.220 --> 0:20:43.420 Which stands for Praise the Lord, though people came to 0:20:43.460 --> 0:20:46.420 call it Pass the Loot after he got caught out, 0:20:46.780 --> 0:20:48.340 which we'll get to in a second. Here's a little 0:20:48.359 --> 0:20:50.639 clip of when they used to do their show and 0:20:50.660 --> 0:20:53.060 were convincing Ian to send them money. 0:20:54.720 --> 0:20:56.320 You can't defeat me! 0:20:56.480 --> 0:20:58.810 You cannot defeat a child of God! 0:21:01.720 --> 0:21:02.320 Hallelujah. 0:21:02.340 --> 0:21:04.720 Greater is he that is in you, right, in me, 0:21:05.240 --> 0:21:05.899 than he that's. 0:21:05.800 --> 0:21:06.340 In the world. 0:21:06.380 --> 0:21:18.909 The sun will shine again. That's his wife, Tammy Faye. 0:21:19.470 --> 0:21:20.510 She's singing. 0:21:24.990 --> 0:21:30.850 Now if you are facing a mountain, so. 0:21:31.060 --> 0:21:33.580 His wife with all her makeup, singing her songs as 0:21:33.600 --> 0:21:36.460 part of the Johnny Carson-like. 0:21:35.880 --> 0:21:38.600 Send Us Some Money show. It's all so slick and 0:21:38.619 --> 0:21:41.220 well put together. I mean, really good. And the PTL 0:21:41.280 --> 0:21:44.180 Club ran for 13 years pulling in that money. 0:21:45.800 --> 0:21:49.320 So before we get to the scandal that brought him down, 0:21:50.880 --> 0:21:53.040 Joe and I worked in Charlotte, North Carolina for a 0:21:53.060 --> 0:21:56.590 couple of years, and we got hired there in 92. 0:21:56.590 --> 0:22:01.230 So he went down in the late 80s, but Our 0:22:01.490 --> 0:22:05.290 program director out there explained to us how there were 0:22:05.350 --> 0:22:10.370 two different crowds there in nearby Charlotte, North Carolina, which 0:22:10.410 --> 0:22:12.450