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Speaker 1: We'll be here for that. But also tonight at five

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Speaker 1: forty five, the Giants pregame, gets going for their three

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Speaker 1: game series against the Philadelphia Phillies. In here to talk

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Speaker 1: about that, Susan Sluster, She covers the Giants for the Chronicle.

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Speaker 1: She joins us on the Yuma guestlne and she's sponsored

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Speaker 1: by Surfside. It's not a Seltzer, it's surf Side, proud

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Speaker 1: partner of the Giants. Susan joins us. Susan, how are you, Susan?

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Speaker 2: I'm great. How are you guys?

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Speaker 3: Well good?

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you're great. We're doing well. Get ready for

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Speaker 1: some hockey tonight. Should be fun as the Giants start

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Speaker 1: a three game series down into third and king against

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Speaker 1: the Phillies. So a tough first ten games for the Giants,

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Speaker 1: still just one home win. Before we get into it

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Speaker 1: to some of the big picture stuff, I wonder, did

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Speaker 1: you speak with Matt Chapman after the game or do

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Speaker 1: we have an understanding on why he ran.

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Speaker 2: And we didn't talk to him after the game, which

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Speaker 2: I think we all kind of made note of and

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Speaker 2: ducks the media. I think he was just trying to

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Speaker 2: to him today before the game and he said his

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Speaker 2: but he was aware of the score. He was aware

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Speaker 2: of this situation. He noticed Devin Williams was flow to

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Speaker 2: I got a chance to go here, I'm just going

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Speaker 2: which happens. But he shouldn't have done it there, but

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Speaker 2: he did at least have a reason. It's one of

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Speaker 2: those like there is an explanation. It didn't work, not

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Speaker 2: I think probably most fans would have been, knowing that

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Speaker 3: Susan, this feels a little bit rinse and repeat compared

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Speaker 3: to what we saw from the Giants a lot of

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Speaker 3: last year. Why should we view it differently when it

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Speaker 3: is a lot of the same guys and it is

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Speaker 3: a lot of the same issues we saw a year ago.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's fair. I do you know at

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Speaker 2: it's early. I think the lineup is better. I think

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Speaker 2: the defense is better. I think just adding Vader makes

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Speaker 2: really the unit that was dreadful last year, dreadful. Arise

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Speaker 2: actually has looked decent at second base so far, and

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Speaker 2: I think once Devers is back, the first basis really

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Speaker 2: I think he could be very good, especially now that

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Speaker 2: he's working with Ron Washington, former third baseman. He should be.

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Speaker 2: So I think these things will calm down, But the

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Speaker 2: The whole hitting is contagious saying it's for a reason.

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Speaker 1: Getting Oh that don't happen there? We lost her, and

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Speaker 3: You got the call, John Paul. I. Actually it's funny.

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Speaker 1: I actually have always thought that it took a unique

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Speaker 1: Susan Selester. Susan, you you dropped like what was the

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Speaker 2: I think the outfield defense is better. I think the

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Speaker 2: I think lately we have seen a little bit maybe

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Speaker 1: I got our Susan Slester nice enough to join us

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Speaker 1: here on the Yuma guest line. Do we have any clarity, like,

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Speaker 1: had the game stayed where it was yesterday? Were they

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Speaker 2: I don't know if we're going to see defined roles.

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Speaker 2: And I say that because we did Ryan Walker in

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Speaker 2: sure he was wrong. I mean, I obviously wound up

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Speaker 2: I think we might see more of that I've gotten.

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Speaker 1: I like that, Yeah, I mean I understood that that

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Speaker 1: But ultimately they got some more runs and expanded the lead.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he's solid. I you know, look, is

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Speaker 3: Now that you've had about twenty four hours to digest

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought we all kind of got a kick

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Speaker 2: we're going to get with Tony. You know, his point

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Speaker 1: Did you see when he got tossed? Because I don't

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Speaker 2: It came out, he says, he said one last thing,

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Speaker 3: So we agree that the intensity and you want that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think the Phillies are sort of in

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Speaker 2: out they are pressing. It does look like it to me.

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Speaker 2: Chapman essentially said as much. I don't know how you

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Speaker 2: And if you look at any social media, or if

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Speaker 2: listen to you guys, they're probably pressing. I think that

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Speaker 2: it's a cliche for a reason, long game at a time.

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Speaker 2: do and all of that. That is exactly what Chapman said,

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Speaker 2: And I think probably the only way you do get

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to worry about this other stuff.

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Speaker 1: Just one more for a season. On the lineup today,

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Speaker 1: Or is it about his bat being in there because

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Speaker 2: I think it's right now because of Schmidt. But Gerard

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Speaker 2: has swung the bat well. He hasn't went run the

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Speaker 2: no reason not. I mean a couple of people said,

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Speaker 2: get a team going, maybe I don't think Susac is

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Speaker 2: quite to that experience yet level yet where you might

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Speaker 1: I remember when when Jonathan Sanchez debuted for the Giants

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Speaker 1: was could have been. I guess it was a little earlier.

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Speaker 1: his first few outings, he didn't allow a base runner

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Speaker 1: the greatest pitcher in the history of baseball. So Susack

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Speaker 1: maybe the best hitter in the history of bass when

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Speaker 1: this rate was higher than Linsic. Yeah, I know. He

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Speaker 1: saw like two pitches and he got singles on both.

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Speaker 1: Susan Slusser covers the Giants for the Chronicles Suason. Always

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Speaker 1: fun catching up. Enjoy the game. We'll do it next week.

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Speaker 3: Neks Susan great

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Speaker 2: Sons get Thanks guys,