1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,200 Speaker 1: And we continue at two o five in the afternoon 2 00:00:03,279 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 1: on The John Phillips Show, Mister Randy wggs in Culver City. 3 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:10,240 Speaker 2: Well, John, Our little state of California made the big 4 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:16,600 Speaker 2: time yesterday as sixty Minutes, the television magazine that started 5 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 2: all did a feature story on California's high speed rail. 6 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 1: Mike Wallace would have been happy. 7 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:32,160 Speaker 2: Let's hear what the whole country got to learn about 8 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 2: last night when it comes to the high speed rail 9 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 2: in California. This was on sixty Minutes last night. 10 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:43,240 Speaker 3: It's hard to exaggerate. 11 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 1: They didn't put the ticking clock in it. You know, 12 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 1: if Mike Wallace had done this piece, the first question 13 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:51,280 Speaker 1: he would have asked is, so, let me get this straight. 14 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 1: If there's no bullet train, that means there's no smoking section. Correct. 15 00:00:56,760 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 3: It's hard to exaggerate the role of the train in 16 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 3: the Americans story, or the romance of train travel, those 17 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 3: iron horses galloping down tracks of steel. 18 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 2: There are some people who have a weird fetish about trains. 19 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, have you ever met them before? Have you? 20 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:19,319 Speaker 1: Oh yeah? Back in the old days, when Ira Fistell 21 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:23,680 Speaker 1: had a weekend program on KABC, he used to talk 22 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 1: about trains NonStop, and the callers that would call in 23 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 1: to talk to him about the trains would go on 24 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:34,120 Speaker 1: and on and on, and if it weren't for the 25 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:36,400 Speaker 1: traffic reports, I don't think they'd ever stop. 26 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:40,400 Speaker 3: Why then, has high speed rail so common in other 27 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 3: countries not tracked in the US? An ambitious state run 28 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 3: project connecting La and San Francisco has lurch, derailed, cost 29 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 3: billions and may never happen. 30 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 1: You don't say. 31 00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 3: One private company is betting that it can succeed where 32 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 3: the public's sector is not, But that too has had 33 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 3: its bumps. As US high speed rail remains a mirage, 34 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:08,640 Speaker 3: a ghost train. It's become a stand in for a 35 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 3: broader question. Can America get its act together and still 36 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 3: build big things? 37 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 1: No, we can't, Well America can, This state can't. 38 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:22,240 Speaker 3: The very model of modern engineering. It hums across the 39 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 3: fruited plains at a top speed of two hundred miles 40 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:29,360 Speaker 3: an hour. Its revolutionized travel. It's a source of national 41 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 3: pride in Morocco. 42 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 1: They can do it in Morocco, but not in California. Yep. 43 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 3: Here in the US high speed rail looks like this, 44 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 3: hardly passenger ready. America's Hopes for its first high speed 45 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 3: rail were kindled in two thousand and eight when California 46 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:53,360 Speaker 3: voters approved a ballot measure for a train connecting Los 47 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 3: Angeles to San Francisco in less than three hours. 48 00:02:56,600 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 1: Oh Prop one A How long ago that was? How 49 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 1: is this even legal to continue when everything that was 50 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:08,640 Speaker 1: in that initiative is not going to happen? And the 51 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 1: only question is how much more time is it going 52 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 1: to take? How much more money is it going to cost, 53 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:16,080 Speaker 1: and how much longer is the ride going to be? 54 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:20,679 Speaker 3: The estimated price tag thirty three billion dollars, completion date 55 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:22,120 Speaker 3: twenty twenty. 56 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 1: And it's now what twenty twenty six? No train. 57 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 3: It would cut pollution, revitalize local economies, clear gridlock. 58 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 2: It hasn't done any of those things because it does 59 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 2: not exist, not one damn thing. 60 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 3: Status update today, the state's high speed rail authority is 61 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 3: preparing to lay its first tracks at roughly the same cost. 62 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 2: They still haven't laid down any track. They're still figuring 63 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 2: out the contractors for track. And it is twenty twenty six. 64 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 2: That ballot measure was eighteen years years ago. 65 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 1: I want a refund on my taxes. 66 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 3: Only slight course correction here instead of La to San Francisco, 67 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 3: it will run one third of that distance, connecting wait 68 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 3: for it, the metropolis of Bakersfield and Merced population ninety 69 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:18,599 Speaker 3: six thousand. 70 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 1: And if you. 71 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 2: Really want to dive into this, it doesn't even really 72 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 2: go to Bakersfield. It goes in tot Wasco, which is 73 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:27,279 Speaker 2: thirty miles outside of Bakersfield. 74 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:29,160 Speaker 1: That's where they put the prison. 75 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 3: The metropolis of Bakersfield and Merced population ninety six thousand. 76 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 2: Now your attitude sixty minutes. Gavin's going to say you 77 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 2: don't love the Central Valley. 78 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 1: Well, I can assure you that no one's in a 79 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 1: hurry to go to prison. 80 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 3: Oh and when will it open? Twenty thirty three? 81 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 1: Maybe, yeah, good luck with that. 82 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 4: I think that the California High Speed real nightmare is 83 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 4: the probably quintessential example of government wats management. 84 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:02,479 Speaker 5: You say this needs to stop, he's zop. 85 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:06,599 Speaker 3: Congressman Vince Fong, a Republican from Bakersfield, sits on the 86 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 3: House Transportation Committee. He says that when California voters first 87 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 3: approved high speed rail, the promise and price tag were 88 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:16,600 Speaker 3: more marketing campaign than realistic projection. 89 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:17,839 Speaker 5: Where now, and. 90 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:21,719 Speaker 2: I think immediately the projection went from thirty billion to 91 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:22,799 Speaker 2: one hundred billion. 92 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 1: It's always the bait and switch with these people. 93 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:30,480 Speaker 4: We're now in twenty twenty six. There are no trains, 94 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:31,600 Speaker 4: there's no track laid. 95 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:36,159 Speaker 5: There's a complete bait and switch. If I vote for a. 96 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 3: Mansion in Malibu by next year and someone says, actually, 97 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 3: you know what, in five years, we're going to have 98 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 3: a doghouse in Modesto. 99 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:46,600 Speaker 1: Well, at least you have a house. There's no train 100 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:47,039 Speaker 1: at all. 101 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:50,480 Speaker 2: Boy, they're taking shots at all the central valley towns. 102 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:51,920 Speaker 2: Who's up next, Clovis? 103 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 5: How do things go so off the rails. 104 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:58,160 Speaker 4: The business plan that was put out in two thousand 105 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 4: and eight was very theoretical, this is what we think 106 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 4: is going to happen, and it became very clear that 107 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 4: they didn't have the specifics. 108 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:06,040 Speaker 5: It worked, it worked out this. 109 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:09,119 Speaker 2: Project, well, there's a whole lot that was going on here, 110 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:13,479 Speaker 2: including that. It would have been a lot simpler to 111 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:16,279 Speaker 2: build this thing where they already had the right of 112 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 2: way by going along the five freeway, but they didn't 113 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 2: want to do that because the Obama administration said, we're 114 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 2: going to give you four billion dollars if you could 115 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:27,920 Speaker 2: cut down the pollution in Fresno. 116 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 1: Nothing made sense. 117 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 5: That they didn't have the specifics. 118 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 6: It worked. 119 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 5: It worked out. 120 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 2: Instead of starting from one end to get to the other, 121 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 2: like I don't know, electrifying the grid around the Bay area, 122 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 2: starting with a high speed train from San Francisco to 123 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:48,479 Speaker 2: San Jose, one that people would use, and then you 124 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:52,679 Speaker 2: build on that success. They built one that goes from 125 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:58,280 Speaker 2: the Central Valley to the Central Valley, helping nobody, and. 126 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:00,359 Speaker 1: Then they pat themselves on the back and clare it 127 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:01,280 Speaker 1: to be a success. 128 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 2: Oh, all weekend long, the California High Speed Rail Authority 129 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 2: and the Gavin Newsom trolls on Twitter, we're posting about 130 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 2: how you could say all you want about high speed rail. 131 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 2: This thing's created sixteen thousand jobs. 132 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 1: Okay, you could create jobs by telling one group of 133 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 1: people to dig a hole and another group of people 134 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 1: to fill the hole up and just rinse and repeat 135 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 1: all day long. But if there's no product at the 136 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 1: end of the day, what's the point. 137 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 5: That they didn't have the specifics. 138 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 1: It worked, It worked out this project on that point. 139 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 3: Management doesn't disagree. Kokes. I'm a shock in is California's 140 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 3: Secretary of Transportation and Anthony Williams or Rail Authority board member, 141 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 3: both are relatively new to the job, left to answer 142 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 3: for their predecessors. 143 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 1: Yeah. 144 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 2: Usually it's a revolving door of who's on that board, 145 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 2: and it's usually some turned out member of the legislature 146 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 2: looking to cash in, and. 147 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 1: Then they all blame the people who were there before them. 148 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 7: There were mistakes, Mate, Some of the credit sysm on 149 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 7: this project, I think are very fair. What happened, I 150 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 7: don't think the voters fully understood, and neither did. 151 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 2: The voters fully is the voters were sold a bunch 152 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 2: of bs. 153 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, the people who wrote the initiative and the people 154 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 1: who were in charge of the train, they're the ones 155 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 1: that don't understand well. 156 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 2: And this isn't even just a two thousand and eight thing. 157 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 2: It goes back way further than that. This state has 158 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 2: been talking about high speed rail since the nineties. 159 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 7: What happened, I don't think the voters fully understood and 160 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 7: neither did we in the public sector, what it was 161 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 7: going to take to actually get this project delivered. 162 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:47,079 Speaker 1: To get the necessary politically Why did the quote unquote 163 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 1: experts say it would be built lickety split. 164 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 3: To get the necessary political buy in from the whole state. 165 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 3: The plan called for the train to run inland, threading 166 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 3: the farmland of the Central Valley. Yet the Rael Authority 167 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 3: hadn't answered basic questions like precisely where it could lay 168 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 3: down its tracks. 169 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:07,959 Speaker 1: What's known is. 170 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 3: Right of way. 171 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:11,959 Speaker 2: They didn't own any of the land that they were 172 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 2: planning to build this thing on, which led to over 173 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 2: a decade of eminent domain lawsuits. 174 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 3: Yet the Rael Authority just. 175 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 2: Remember they owned all of the caltransland on the five Freeway. 176 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:31,720 Speaker 2: But of course we couldn't use that, even though there's 177 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 2: a whole lot of nothing in between Los Angeles County 178 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 2: and San Francisco County along the Five. 179 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:41,719 Speaker 1: Thank god, when we were building this state, back when 180 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 1: Pat Brown was governor, thank god our leaders didn't have 181 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 1: this mentality, because if they did, we wouldn't have the 182 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 1: state university system, we wouldn't have the water system, we 183 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 1: wouldn't have the freeway grid, we'd have nothing. We'd all 184 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 1: be living in tepees. 185 00:09:57,760 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 3: Yet the Rael Authority hadn't. 186 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:02,559 Speaker 2: Sometimes you look at the big pillars of the freeways 187 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 2: if you're driving under them. I was doing that in 188 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:08,200 Speaker 2: Valencia this weekend, and you look around at all this 189 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 2: massive infrastructure that was built before we were born, and 190 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 2: you're like, there's no way the people in charge could 191 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:14,840 Speaker 2: do this today. 192 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 6: No. 193 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 1: And by the way, that wasn't supposed to be the 194 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 1: grid forever. That was supposed to be the grid for 195 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:26,320 Speaker 1: the nineteen sixties, and we were supposed to continue to 196 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 1: add to it over time. Not only have we not 197 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:34,560 Speaker 1: added to it over time, we don't even adequately maintain 198 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:36,439 Speaker 1: what was built back then. 199 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 2: Well, and back in the seventies it was Jerry Brown 200 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:42,840 Speaker 2: one point zero that decided, well, we can't keep building 201 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:46,320 Speaker 2: more roads. More people are gonna move here and we're overpopulated. 202 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:49,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was like the anti field of dreams. If 203 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 1: you don't build it, they won't come. 204 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:55,959 Speaker 3: Yet, the real authority hadn't answered basic questions like precisely 205 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:58,959 Speaker 3: where it could lay down its tracks. What's known is 206 00:10:59,040 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 3: right of way. 207 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 7: Three thousand parcels had to be negotiated, just for the 208 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:05,559 Speaker 7: segments that we're working on today. 209 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 2: Just for the Central Valley leg And of course it 210 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:15,439 Speaker 2: was California's own signature environmental legislation SIQUA that would allow 211 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:19,720 Speaker 2: anybody to sue over this project, bogging it down. 212 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 1: In course, this is never going to be completed. 213 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 7: Three thousand parcels had to be negotiated just for the 214 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 7: segments that we're working on today. 215 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 5: In the Central Valley. 216 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 3: It seems to be one farmer doesn't want high speed 217 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 3: rail going through his field, and you've got a guy 218 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 3: that can come up the works for a long time. 219 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 1: That's how the law was designed. That's what I do. 220 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 7: Yeah, that's what happens sometimes in these processes more snarl. 221 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 2: I remember when Gavin took a victory lap two years ago, 222 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 2: which again would have been four years after the entire 223 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 2: San Francisco to La train was completed, and said, we 224 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 2: have finally got all the permitting done. 225 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 1: Imagine though, if you are, I don't know, a peach 226 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 1: farmer in the middle of the state, and you know 227 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:12,960 Speaker 1: it would have been easier and cheaper to go up 228 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 1: the five freeway, but due to political considerations, they decided 229 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 1: to put it someplace else that involves going through your farm, 230 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:23,959 Speaker 1: and they want to take your peach farm through eminent domain. 231 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 1: I would be furious and I would do everything I 232 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:28,960 Speaker 1: could to fight them. 233 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:31,960 Speaker 2: Well, and how about all those people that they did 234 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 2: lose their property to eminent domain and there's still nothing 235 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:42,720 Speaker 2: being built on them. 236 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 3: More snarl California's exacting environmental regulations, which triggered all manner 237 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 3: of reviews, lawsuits, and delays. As anyone who's renovated a 238 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 3: home knows, delay adds to price. So do the high 239 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:55,440 Speaker 3: US labor and construction costs. 240 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:59,439 Speaker 2: Oh, that's right. The unions have a role to play, 241 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 2: and this is well. 242 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 1: And because they're so far over when they're supposed to 243 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:08,199 Speaker 1: be done, inflation, i'm sure is causing the cost to explode. 244 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 3: So do the high US labor and construction costs, at 245 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:16,440 Speaker 3: least compared to many other countries. And while the federal 246 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 3: government contributed modestly under the Obama and Biden administrations, the 247 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 3: burden fell largely on the state. 248 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:27,840 Speaker 5: When construction started. Was the financing there to complete this rail? 249 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 8: It wasn't. 250 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 2: And they still don't really have a plan to fully 251 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 2: fund everything else. Right now, there's this idea, well, if 252 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:42,680 Speaker 2: we could just get the central Valley portion built, the 253 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 2: ridership and all of the advertising and the private investment 254 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 2: will be there, and yeah, it's not going to Happen's 255 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 2: who is the projected writer to go from Merced or 256 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 2: now they're even talking about not merced Maderra to Moscow. 257 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:03,440 Speaker 1: About this for a second. Gavin Newsom is the guy 258 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 1: at the top of the pyramid. He's the guy who's 259 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:08,559 Speaker 1: in charge of this state. This is how he takes 260 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:11,439 Speaker 1: on big projects. He wants to be president of the 261 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:12,200 Speaker 1: United States. 262 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 5: Let's be real. 263 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:16,960 Speaker 8: We had a lot to learn, we had a lot 264 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 8: of growth to do. And you know, it's arguable whether 265 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 8: you know, we should have been clearer about that. 266 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 3: By twenty nineteen, costs ballooning in the timeline, years off schedule, 267 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 3: bipartisan political pressure mounted. Newly elected Governor Gavin Newsom said 268 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 3: this in his first state of the state. 269 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 9: Right now, there simply isn't a path to get from 270 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 9: Sacramento to San Diego, let alone from San Francisco to. 271 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 2: La you know, not important part of the story, but 272 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 2: listening to a clip from him in twenty nineteen, he 273 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 2: got real gravelly over the last seven years. 274 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 1: What is it that causes your voice to do that? 275 00:14:57,200 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 1: Excessive wine usage? Is that what it is? It's a 276 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 1: theory just saying that. How much do you think he drinks? Well, 277 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 1: we know he likes to. 278 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 2: He says that he has a couple of glasses every 279 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 2: night while watching Fox, and you don't just have a 280 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 2: couple of glasses of wine. The bottle has five glasses 281 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 2: in it. And I don't think Jen's enjoying any of 282 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 2: it because she's reading to the kids. 283 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 1: No, I think he's drinking at least a complete bottle 284 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 1: of wine per day. Oh boy. 285 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 9: Right now, there simply isn't a path to get from 286 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 9: Sacramento to San Diego, let alone from San Francisco to La. 287 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 3: I wonder Knewsome, who didn't respond to repeated interview requests. 288 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 1: That's interesting. 289 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 2: Gavin Newsom, who's been doing the biggest blitz tour ever 290 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 2: for his book, doesn't want to sit down with sixty 291 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 2: minutes oh because the topic is something that doesn't make 292 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 2: him look good. 293 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 1: That's interesting because his attitude is just to flood the zone. 294 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 1: It's all attention is good attention. But I guess he's 295 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 1: shying away from this. 296 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 3: Wonder Newsome, who didn't respond to repeated interview requests. California 297 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 3: decided to focus on that initial Central Valley segment, a 298 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 3: route few clamored for and fewer are likely to ride 299 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 3: though the ultimate. 300 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 1: How much is a ticket going to cost on this thing? 301 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 1: A lot more than Southwest. 302 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 2: Because even in Europe where they tout these trains and 303 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 2: how great they are, a ryanair ticket he's usually cheaper well. 304 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 1: And the best part about air travel is you can 305 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 1: use one of these community airports. You don't have to 306 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 1: go to lax for everything. You can use Burbank, you 307 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 1: can use Ontario or Orange County, Palm Springs, Santa Barbara, whatever. 308 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 1: If you're in northern California, you don't have to go 309 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 1: through SFO. You can use Oakland or Sacramento or San Jose, 310 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 1: whatever airport closest to you. If you're dealing with the train, 311 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:06,520 Speaker 1: you either have to go to Union Station or wherever 312 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:09,720 Speaker 1: it is that's the hob or if they're going to 313 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:12,159 Speaker 1: make it stop in every small town, it's going to 314 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 1: take forever. 315 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 3: Though the ultimate goal remains connecting northern and southern California. 316 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 10: When you have a project like this and when you 317 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 10: budget no longer permits you to finish it the way 318 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:27,920 Speaker 10: you wanted to, you start cutting off your arms and legs. 319 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:31,480 Speaker 3: Lou Thompson helped found Amtrak in the nineteen seventies and 320 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 3: until twenty twenty four sat on California's High Speed Rail 321 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 3: peer review group. 322 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:38,440 Speaker 1: We've heard people wonder how much you get paid for that? 323 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 1: Probably a lot. 324 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:43,200 Speaker 3: We've heard people say time to cut bait. We've heard 325 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:45,359 Speaker 3: people saying, what happened in the past is the past. 326 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 3: Failure is not an option. 327 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 10: Failure is always an option. 328 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 1: That might be the new California motto. It is true 329 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:04,960 Speaker 1: Eureka that's old is always an option California. All right, 330 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:06,720 Speaker 1: We're going to take a quick break, and we'll be 331 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 1: back with more from the sixty minutes report last night 332 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:14,160 Speaker 1: on California's boondoggle of a high speed rail. Eight hundred 333 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:17,439 Speaker 1: two two two five two two two is telephone number? 334 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:20,400 Speaker 1: What eight hundred two two two five two two two. 335 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:22,719 Speaker 1: If you'd like to email the show, you can do 336 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 1: so at Johnny don't like show at gmail dot com. 337 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 1: That's Johnny, don't like show at gmail dot com. And 338 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 1: Randy your monitor. 339 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 2: In the mail bag, Chuck writes in at Johnny, don't 340 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:33,720 Speaker 2: like show at gmail dot com. 341 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:36,400 Speaker 1: On the high speed rail, Let's do the math here. 342 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:40,879 Speaker 2: Twenty billion divided by sixteen thousand workers equals one point 343 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 2: two five million dollars per worker. One million is fifty 344 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 2: thousand a year for twenty years, I guarantee you there 345 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:50,200 Speaker 2: weren't sixteen thousand workers on this job for the past 346 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:53,160 Speaker 2: six ten years, if you believe the government numbers, which 347 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:56,200 Speaker 2: are highly suspect. This is a union dream. And now 348 00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 2: in twenty twenty six, there's numerous propositions on the ballot 349 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:00,880 Speaker 2: to raise our tag is even more? 350 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 1: What an absolute shame? Eight hundred two two two five 351 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:09,400 Speaker 1: two two two is telephone number? What eight hundred two 352 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 1: two two five two to two two. Right now, we're 353 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:16,439 Speaker 1: going through the sound of last night's CBS News sixty 354 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 1: minutes report on California's high speed rail. 355 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:23,399 Speaker 2: Let's get back to sixty minutes. We're a minute five. 356 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 5: So what's gonna happen here? 357 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:29,400 Speaker 10: No, I don't think so. But I think what will 358 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 10: happen in the short range is that they will cut 359 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 10: back and do the best they can with the money 360 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:35,520 Speaker 10: they have available. 361 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:40,000 Speaker 2: How can you cut back even further? This thing's going 362 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 2: to go from the northern part of Fresno to the 363 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 2: southern part of Fresno. 364 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:48,720 Speaker 1: At a certain point, and if you've been through remodels, 365 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:52,800 Speaker 1: you've been through big projects, you realize this. At a 366 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:55,119 Speaker 1: certain point, there are just certain things that aren't going 367 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:58,040 Speaker 1: to get done, or they aren't going to get done 368 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 1: by a specific contractor. And you can play the games 369 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:05,720 Speaker 1: and you can keep spending and you can keep waiting, 370 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 1: or you can just accept reality. This project is never 371 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:13,159 Speaker 1: going to be finished as long as the State of 372 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 1: California is involved. You can farm it out to one 373 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:20,159 Speaker 1: of Elon's companies or something like that, and maybe it 374 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 1: would get done then, But the state of California is 375 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 1: not equipped to do this. It's never going to happen. 376 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:27,960 Speaker 1: We have to cut bait. 377 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:31,919 Speaker 3: Here outside Fresno, in California's Central Valley, one of the 378 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 3: few signs of concrete progress, literally structures like this. Locals 379 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:40,200 Speaker 3: here jokingly refer to it as their own stonehenge. 380 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:42,960 Speaker 1: That's what it looks like. 381 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:46,960 Speaker 3: Ideally, these bridges and viaducts will one day be used 382 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 3: to support California High Speed rail, but for now, these 383 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 3: are curiosities in a field, monuments to promises that haven't 384 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:58,879 Speaker 3: been met, in plans that haven't been executed. Ironic, because 385 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 3: American rail was once the world's envy. In the eighteen hundreds, 386 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:06,680 Speaker 3: the US government oversaw the birth of the Transcontinental Railroad, 387 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 3: stitching the country together as it expanded westward. 388 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 1: We turned see all the things you could do before sequa. 389 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:16,360 Speaker 1: We turned to the future. 390 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:20,639 Speaker 3: In the nineteen fifties, the Eisenhower administration decided that the 391 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:26,440 Speaker 3: transportation vanguard was off the tracks, creating and critically continuously 392 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 3: funding the Interstate Highway system. 393 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:31,399 Speaker 6: And the family cars and tiptop. 394 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:34,440 Speaker 2: Shape, fueling the worlds to be in broadcasting back then, 395 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:36,200 Speaker 2: did you have to have a voice like that? 396 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 1: I think so, because they all sounded that way. 397 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 6: And the family cars and tiptop shape. 398 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 2: Or is that an accent they've been putting on, because 399 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:46,920 Speaker 2: people don't sound like that now, but maybe they did 400 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:48,200 Speaker 2: in nineteen forty five. 401 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:55,439 Speaker 1: Sound changes over time, so maybe they actually did sound 402 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:55,880 Speaker 1: like that. 403 00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:59,119 Speaker 6: And the family cars and tiptop. 404 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 3: Shape, fueling the world's proudest car culture. Meanwhile, Japan's famous 405 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:05,680 Speaker 3: bullet train opened in nineteen sixty four. 406 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 2: Nineteen sixty four, mind you, they had just gotten bombed too. 407 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:17,440 Speaker 3: In Today, more than twenty countries have high speed rail, 408 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:20,160 Speaker 3: generally defined as cruising at one hundred and fifty miles 409 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:23,879 Speaker 3: an hour or more. Yes, Germany and France and China, 410 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:27,879 Speaker 3: but also Turkey, Indonesia, Egypt has broken ground. 411 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:30,919 Speaker 11: The obvious question there is like, how can it be 412 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:34,160 Speaker 11: that we can't get it done and they can get 413 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 11: it done? 414 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:34,880 Speaker 6: Right? 415 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 5: We know we can do this. 416 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:40,920 Speaker 1: Do we? I actually know that we can't. 417 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:42,439 Speaker 11: It's an economic engineer. 418 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:46,119 Speaker 3: Mike Reninger is managing director of Right Line West, a 419 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:49,720 Speaker 3: private company that believes it can achieve what California has it. 420 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:53,199 Speaker 5: Oh wow, next stop, Zurich. 421 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 3: It's like a European train system. This train, which opened 422 00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 3: in twenty eighteen and runs between Miami and or hits 423 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 3: top speeds of around one hundred and twenty five miles 424 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 3: an hour. Not quite high speed, but close. It's a 425 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:08,960 Speaker 3: kid in to a beta test for bright Lines next 426 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:12,639 Speaker 3: project a bulla train connecting La and Las Vegas in 427 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 3: just over two hours. 428 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:19,359 Speaker 1: Not La though, Victorville. Yes, that's not even in La County. 429 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:22,719 Speaker 2: I think there's a train you could take from Rancho 430 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:29,400 Speaker 2: Cucamonga to that train, but it's starting in Victorville. It's 431 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:31,119 Speaker 2: the Apple Valley to Vegas train. 432 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:34,960 Speaker 1: Boy, everything is a bait and switch. 433 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 2: And this is the one they said was gonna be 434 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:41,440 Speaker 2: ready by the Olympics. Nope, And this is the private train. 435 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:43,200 Speaker 2: Nobody can get this done. 436 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:46,520 Speaker 1: I'm telling you, if you want this done, you're gonna 437 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:47,520 Speaker 1: have to go through Elon. 438 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 3: A bulla train connecting La and Las Vegas in just 439 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 3: over two hours. 440 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:55,400 Speaker 2: But again, I don't know if that's necessarily true either. 441 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 2: Didn't Elon promise that he was gonna build a tunnel 442 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:01,440 Speaker 2: under the four or five Freeway tunnel to Dodger Stadium? 443 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 1: He never did that. Well, cut him some slack. He's 444 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:09,199 Speaker 1: trying to go to Mars. That hyper loop in Vegas. 445 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 1: That thing's a joke. 446 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 3: A bulla train connecting La and Las Vegas in just 447 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 3: over two hours. 448 00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:18,920 Speaker 2: And let's not forget that he promised for the last 449 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,879 Speaker 2: ten years that all the Tesla's would become robotaxis and 450 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 2: that still hasn't happened. Elon's not the answer either, Well, 451 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,200 Speaker 2: then what is the answer? There is none? 452 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:32,719 Speaker 3: A bulla train connecting La and Las Vegas in just 453 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 3: over two hours? 454 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:38,120 Speaker 1: How long is the flight? Less than an hour? 455 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 2: A trip that and if you fly on the one 456 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:45,479 Speaker 2: from Burbank to Vegas on a Thursday, almost every person 457 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 2: on that plane will be a stripper. 458 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:51,440 Speaker 1: That flight isn't even long enough for drink service. 459 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,119 Speaker 3: A trip that can take five hours by car? 460 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:57,840 Speaker 1: Uh try seven? 461 00:24:59,520 --> 00:24:59,720 Speaker 11: Yeah? 462 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:01,160 Speaker 1: What time of day are you going. 463 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:05,639 Speaker 2: If you go at like seven am on a Friday morning, 464 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:09,440 Speaker 2: maybe you can get there in four hours if it's Christmas. 465 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 11: Brightline West will be true high speed rail, first time 466 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,919 Speaker 11: in the country, and we're all operate at speeds of 467 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:20,399 Speaker 11: about two hundred miles an hour maximum out West. 468 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:23,399 Speaker 3: Brightline is solving the right of way issue by running 469 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 3: on the median of the I fifteen Highway. 470 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,640 Speaker 1: There is a whole lot of nothing out there. Okay, 471 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,080 Speaker 1: but that's what they should have done with high speed rail. 472 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:36,159 Speaker 1: If you already have the existing infrastructure, use that now. 473 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:37,960 Speaker 2: Is it going to be a straight shot til you 474 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 2: get to Vegas or is there going to be a 475 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:41,879 Speaker 2: stop in Baker so you can get that jerky. 476 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:45,440 Speaker 1: Oh with the alien logo. 477 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:48,879 Speaker 2: And so people can get out and take a picture 478 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:50,359 Speaker 2: of the world's largest thermometer. 479 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:55,399 Speaker 3: Construction has already begun on some of the station structures. 480 00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 3: The plan is to start service in twenty twenty nine. 481 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 3: What are you telling if. 482 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:03,439 Speaker 2: You remember when Gavin promised, along with Nevada, they were 483 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 2: going to expand the fifteen, and then that never happened. 484 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 1: He always comes out with these big, grandiose proclamations and 485 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:13,400 Speaker 1: there's never any follow through, And. 486 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 2: You figure that would be pretty easy to do, considering 487 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,840 Speaker 2: there's mostly a whole lot of nothing on the fifteen, 488 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,479 Speaker 2: especially once you get past Barstow and Baker. 489 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:26,119 Speaker 3: What are you telling people to get them out of 490 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 3: their cars or getting to mo avoid the airport. 491 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 11: It's more enjoyable, it's safer. 492 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:33,960 Speaker 2: Now for the real gambling addicts. Will this train have 493 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 2: a stop in prim. 494 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,760 Speaker 1: Well? I hope they have video poker machines on the 495 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:42,160 Speaker 1: actual train so you can just play them from your seat, 496 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:44,360 Speaker 1: So like as soon as you hit State Line they 497 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 1: turn on, Oh yeah, and then it's all about the 498 00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,119 Speaker 1: ultimate X ten hand video poker. 499 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 5: It's reliable. 500 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:55,080 Speaker 11: This really is all about changing people's behavior. 501 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 3: You don't think we're just this carved culture is intractable. 502 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 3: It's so hardened and it's so much a part of 503 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,600 Speaker 3: the American psyche. It just can't be cracked. I don't 504 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:08,200 Speaker 3: think so at all. Cultural questions aside Bright Lines, Florida 505 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 3: trains run at street level through crowded neighborhoods, and according 506 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:13,359 Speaker 3: to numbers compiled by them. 507 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:19,120 Speaker 1: Who designs these things? That's a very good question. 508 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 2: It's like the Expo line in Los Angeles, where literally 509 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:25,959 Speaker 2: in downtown LA it has to stop at the stoplights. 510 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 3: And according to numbers compiled by the Miami Herald and 511 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,960 Speaker 3: local public radio, more than two hundred people have been 512 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 3: hid and killed by the trains in the near decades 513 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:37,960 Speaker 3: since operations began. 514 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,600 Speaker 1: Oh boy, okay, how many of them are homeless? 515 00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:45,679 Speaker 3: Brightline says that running rail in the desert out west, 516 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 3: where track crossings won't be at street level, will be 517 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:52,600 Speaker 3: a safer proposition. Then there are the finances. 518 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:56,119 Speaker 1: By the way, maybe this is cruel, maybe this is heartless. 519 00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:01,679 Speaker 1: I don't care, though I believe it. It's twenty twenty six. 520 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:06,080 Speaker 1: If you're getting run over by a train in twenty 521 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:09,320 Speaker 1: twenty six, maybe the problem is you. 522 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 3: Then there are the finances. The stratospheric costs of building 523 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 3: and running a rail line vastly outstripped revenues. 524 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:24,400 Speaker 2: So even if the bright Line West gets completed, how 525 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,320 Speaker 2: much is a ticket going to be compared to fly 526 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 2: in Spirit. 527 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,879 Speaker 1: Oh, it's going to be much faster, much cheaper, and 528 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 1: much more convenient to fly even Spirit. Well, I won't 529 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:44,560 Speaker 1: subject myself to that. So Spirit passengers are going to 530 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 1: have to weigh in on that one. 531 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 3: Analysts have downgraded bright Lines debt to junk, raising quick. 532 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:54,480 Speaker 1: The job. 533 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:56,400 Speaker 2: The company that wants to be the first of the 534 00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,800 Speaker 2: nation to build high speed rail is a junk bond. 535 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:06,360 Speaker 3: Analysts have downgraded Brightlines debt to junk, raising questions about 536 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:10,000 Speaker 3: private rail as a business to what extent, big picture, 537 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:13,880 Speaker 3: do you worry about the future financial viability of Brightline? 538 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:17,840 Speaker 11: The business has built slower than we originally expected it 539 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 11: to build. We thought we would be carrying more passengers 540 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,120 Speaker 11: today than we are. The business is in fact growing 541 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,240 Speaker 11: month over month, year over year. That's a great thing 542 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:30,400 Speaker 11: that solidifies in our mind the viability of the business. 543 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:34,400 Speaker 3: Brightline's West Coast project has already received some federal funding 544 00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:37,000 Speaker 3: and is hoping for a six billion dollar loan from 545 00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:38,040 Speaker 3: the Trump administration. 546 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,040 Speaker 2: It wasn't the whole idea of this project. Hey, this 547 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:44,320 Speaker 2: is going to be completely privately funded. We're going to 548 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,200 Speaker 2: outdo the government. And then they beg the Biden administration 549 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:50,040 Speaker 2: for money, and now they're begging the Trump administration for money. 550 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,360 Speaker 1: Well, what have we learned throughout this report? All of 551 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:54,560 Speaker 1: it is a bait and switch. 552 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 11: If you look around the world, for the most part, 553 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:01,920 Speaker 11: the infrastructure systems are funded by the public sector. 554 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:05,959 Speaker 5: You do see a role for government here. Absolutely, we welcome. 555 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:06,920 Speaker 3: It back in California. 556 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:10,040 Speaker 1: Please give us money so we cannot complete this train. 557 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:12,840 Speaker 1: All right, We're gonna take a quick break. We'll be 558 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:16,760 Speaker 1: back with more from the sixty Minutes report on California's 559 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 1: fictional bullet Train. Eight hundred two two two five two 560 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,840 Speaker 1: two two is telephone number one eight hundred two two 561 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:28,600 Speaker 1: two five two two two. If you'd like to email 562 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 1: the show, you can do so at johnny don't like 563 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:33,720 Speaker 1: show at gmail dot com. That's Johnny don't Like Show 564 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:37,280 Speaker 1: at gmail dot com and Randyearmonitor in the mail bag. 565 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:39,880 Speaker 1: Here's an interesting question at Johnny don't like show at 566 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:40,960 Speaker 1: gmail dot com. 567 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:44,840 Speaker 2: How are they going to power these trains? Sunshine in 568 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:52,240 Speaker 2: farts Probably not bad, but where the energy will come 569 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:57,200 Speaker 2: from is a legit question. Let's get back to sixty Minutes. 570 00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:01,080 Speaker 2: In their report on California's highs speed rail. 571 00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:04,760 Speaker 3: Back in California, the Real Authority insists state funds can 572 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 3: cover the cost of the Central Valley leg. 573 00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:09,280 Speaker 2: You know, because we extended cap and trade and are 574 00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:11,600 Speaker 2: putting a billion dollars a year into this thing. 575 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,640 Speaker 1: And that's still not enough, but just think in theory 576 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,040 Speaker 1: the train will be able to go from nowhere to nowhere. 577 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,360 Speaker 3: As for the rest, just to be clear, as we 578 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:24,000 Speaker 3: speak right now, are the funds there to complete LA 579 00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:24,880 Speaker 3: to San Francisco. 580 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:28,200 Speaker 7: The entire amount of money we need not there today. 581 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,960 Speaker 7: But do we believe we can get those funds to 582 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:33,680 Speaker 7: get the project done? Absolutely? 583 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,000 Speaker 3: How much do you estimate it's going to cost to 584 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:39,000 Speaker 3: connect high speed rail San Francisco LA today? 585 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:42,440 Speaker 8: We estimate, with the right optimization, just over one hundred 586 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 8: and twenty five billion dollars. I think one hundred and 587 00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:46,200 Speaker 8: twenty six billion dollars is the current estimate for. 588 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:50,560 Speaker 1: That zero percent chance. Donald Trump gives them a cent 589 00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:54,080 Speaker 1: and if I'm a Republican Congress, I don't give them 590 00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:55,360 Speaker 1: any more money either. 591 00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:59,040 Speaker 2: Well, in California is investing a billion dollars a year 592 00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:03,080 Speaker 2: into this thing, so even by their own numbers, they'll 593 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:05,840 Speaker 2: have the money to build this in one hundred and 594 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:06,960 Speaker 2: twenty five years. 595 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,640 Speaker 1: Well, I'm sure our great great grandchildren will enjoy it. 596 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:16,360 Speaker 3: That's more funding than Amtrak has received in its history 597 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,800 Speaker 3: and still leaves a shortfall of roughly ninety billion dollars. 598 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:22,520 Speaker 5: That's a big gap to fill. 599 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:24,960 Speaker 8: It is a big gap to fill, but again we 600 00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,520 Speaker 8: have an understanding of how to get there and to 601 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:28,640 Speaker 8: fill that gap. 602 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,400 Speaker 3: A gap the authority hopes to fill with a new 603 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,000 Speaker 3: plan to cut costs, lower private investment. 604 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:38,400 Speaker 1: And who's going to invest in this? I wouldn't. 605 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:41,560 Speaker 2: They're already off the bat saying that these things are 606 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:43,240 Speaker 2: money losers. 607 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:48,480 Speaker 3: And connect to bigger cities much sooner. But there's another 608 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:52,440 Speaker 3: challenge to building anything today, the swirling winds of a 609 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,880 Speaker 3: political climate in which one party pushes and the other 610 00:32:56,120 --> 00:33:01,640 Speaker 3: reflexively pulls. Remember Gavin Newsom's pessimism. In recent months, he's 611 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:02,880 Speaker 3: championed the project. 612 00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:06,720 Speaker 9: This is not just a transportation project. This is about 613 00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:09,000 Speaker 9: reimagining the future of this region. 614 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:15,080 Speaker 1: Meanwhile, it's about jobs. By the way, if Trump derangement 615 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:21,080 Speaker 1: syndrome is so strong that Gavin Newsom is reflexively taking 616 00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:24,920 Speaker 1: the pro bullet train position because Trump is opposed to it, 617 00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:27,440 Speaker 1: he's crazy. 618 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:31,880 Speaker 3: Meanwhile, in twenty twenty five, President Trump canceled four billion 619 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:35,240 Speaker 3: dollars in federal grants for the train, swiping at a 620 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:37,160 Speaker 3: political nemesis and the process. 621 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:38,880 Speaker 6: Did you ever hear of Gavin Nuscombe? 622 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,440 Speaker 4: He has got that train is the worst cost over 623 00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:43,320 Speaker 4: onn I've ever seen. 624 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:47,400 Speaker 3: In a statement to Sixty Minutes, Secretary of Transportation Sean 625 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,960 Speaker 3: Duffy said, the administration is in favor of high speed rail, 626 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:55,280 Speaker 3: but this project has quote wasted billions in taxpayer dollars 627 00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:56,719 Speaker 3: yet delivered nothing. 628 00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,200 Speaker 2: Don't give any money to bright Line either. That's the 629 00:33:59,280 --> 00:33:59,880 Speaker 2: same thing. 630 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:04,240 Speaker 1: But let's also not pretend as if that's a political statement. 631 00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:07,120 Speaker 1: That is a factual statement about the Bullet train. 632 00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:11,360 Speaker 3: Can this be done without help from the federal government? 633 00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:16,120 Speaker 7: This initial segment, we believe so. The ultimate four hundred 634 00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:19,080 Speaker 7: and ninety four miles of building us out without the 635 00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:22,279 Speaker 7: federal government's help will be challenging. There's no doubt about that. 636 00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:24,799 Speaker 3: Is this a non starter to build a project like 637 00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:26,960 Speaker 3: this without federal funding, Well. 638 00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:30,160 Speaker 10: Not only can't it be done, it shouldn't be done 639 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:34,000 Speaker 10: because a lot of the benefits of the project, the 640 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:37,560 Speaker 10: reason why you build a project is public pollution reduction, 641 00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:43,280 Speaker 10: congestion reduction, improve safety, comfort, reliability. 642 00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,319 Speaker 2: None of those things are going to be delivered with 643 00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:48,440 Speaker 2: the Central Valley Line. 644 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:48,960 Speaker 7: No. 645 00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:52,960 Speaker 1: Again, they're pulling another bait and switch. They're promising all 646 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,080 Speaker 1: of these things without the ability to deliver. 647 00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:58,120 Speaker 10: All of those things are public benefits. 648 00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:01,680 Speaker 3: There are other ideas for US high speed rail, say 649 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:06,160 Speaker 3: Dallas to Houston, but nothing else in the building stage, leaving. 650 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:09,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the Southwest lobby said hell no, yeah, 651 00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:11,400 Speaker 1: who would look at this and go, oh, we should. 652 00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:16,160 Speaker 3: Do that too, Leaving that uneasy overarching question. Morocco has 653 00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:19,560 Speaker 3: high speed rail, and Serbia and China and Japan and 654 00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:21,520 Speaker 3: Western Europe. Why don't we? 655 00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:23,080 Speaker 5: What's your simple answer? 656 00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:25,560 Speaker 10: Well, the simple answer is they've decided they want to 657 00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:27,719 Speaker 10: do it and pay for it, and we haven't. 658 00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:33,160 Speaker 1: You think we will voted for it. We voted for it. 659 00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:36,960 Speaker 1: What are you talking about. We're not going to pay 660 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,799 Speaker 1: for it. The cost was in there. You lied to 661 00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:40,880 Speaker 1: us about the cost. 662 00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:43,359 Speaker 5: You think we will in our lifetimes? 663 00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:48,160 Speaker 10: I don't know. I'm dubious. I'm dubious. Absent a national 664 00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:51,839 Speaker 10: political will to work with the states to create some 665 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:53,880 Speaker 10: of these systems, I think it's going to be, and 666 00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:58,040 Speaker 10: of course my lifetime almost certainly not, but maybe yours. 667 00:35:58,080 --> 00:35:58,680 Speaker 10: I don't know. 668 00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:00,839 Speaker 1: There it is. 669 00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:08,000 Speaker 2: California's high speed rail getting the big time treatment with 670 00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:11,160 Speaker 2: a profile on sixty minutes. 671 00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:18,200 Speaker 1: Eventually would get to that clock let's go to Mark 672 00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:19,040 Speaker 1: in San Diego. 673 00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:25,520 Speaker 12: Mark, Hello, Hey John. I hate to admit it, and 674 00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:31,160 Speaker 12: too much time has passed. Randy is correct. This is 675 00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:34,680 Speaker 12: a done deal. It's never going to happen, absolutely not. 676 00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:39,279 Speaker 12: And I voted for it as well, thinking that they 677 00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:43,160 Speaker 12: were telling us the truth. I like the idea of 678 00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:47,359 Speaker 12: high speed rail. I spent time in Europe. I am 679 00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:51,760 Speaker 12: a civil engineer. I've always supported trying to get less 680 00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:57,760 Speaker 12: traffic and less pollution. But this is never going to happen. 681 00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:00,800 Speaker 12: And there's two met Well, you've already stated most of 682 00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:05,800 Speaker 12: the reasons. But the LA region is just impossible to 683 00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,719 Speaker 12: get in and out of. And you're not gonna say 684 00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:12,120 Speaker 12: save La. I'm sorry, LA is done. I can get 685 00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:16,080 Speaker 12: from San Diego to Las Vegas in five hours. I 686 00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:18,960 Speaker 12: just looked on my phone five hours and forty minutes 687 00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:22,840 Speaker 12: now driving my mini van that doesn't even go very fast. 688 00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:25,840 Speaker 12: And if I have to drive to a train station 689 00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:27,719 Speaker 12: and the train station is never going to make it 690 00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:33,319 Speaker 12: to LA anyway. So it's by far. They were talking 691 00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:35,320 Speaker 12: about it when they started this, it said it was 692 00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:38,239 Speaker 12: going to go eventually to San Diego. They can't even 693 00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:41,640 Speaker 12: get through the mountain. This is not going to happen. 694 00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:44,719 Speaker 12: And by the time it happens, I'll have a car 695 00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:46,920 Speaker 12: that can drive itself to Vegas in four hours. I 696 00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:50,879 Speaker 12: won't want to park somewhere and go there. So Randy's right. 697 00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:55,560 Speaker 12: They sat on their hands for decades and wasted a 698 00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:56,400 Speaker 12: bunch of our money. 699 00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:00,880 Speaker 1: You're one hundred percent correct. And I liked the idea 700 00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:03,920 Speaker 1: of high speed rail two. If we had the ability 701 00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:07,120 Speaker 1: to deliver, that would be one thing. The reality is 702 00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:07,960 Speaker 1: that we don't