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Speaker 2: One of the traditions of summer is the Mike Sando
Speaker 2: Quarterback tiers list.
Speaker 3: Always fun to argue and debate.
Speaker 2: Heck, we even made a top ten quarterback list a
Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago. That's how content crazy we are.
Speaker 2: And we have him on the zoom on our new
Speaker 2: fancy zoom.
Speaker 3: Call here, Mike Sander, our buddy from the Athletic we'll
Speaker 3: see where brock Perty came in.
Speaker 1: Spoiler alert, tied for.
Speaker 2: Eleventh, did not crack the top ten, despite you and
Speaker 2: I a couple of homers putting him on our top
Speaker 2: ten list. So, Mike, welcome back to Murph and Marcus
Speaker 2: here on the Sports Leader in San Francisco.
Speaker 3: How you doing, Mike, Hey morning, Mike.
Speaker 4: I'm doing great.
Speaker 5: You know, the wife really likes the zoom thing because
Speaker 5: then I you know, I got to comb my hair
Speaker 5: and you know, take look halfway presentable.
Speaker 4: So thanks for you for your service.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, well you've always been a guy with the best
Speaker 2: connection in the business. That's always been like a hallmark
Speaker 2: of you. But now that we get to see ill
Speaker 2: cleaned up too, I would prefer you. You can come
Speaker 2: on with BedHead.
Speaker 3: You're good. You don't have to clean up for us.
Speaker 4: I got a haircut yesterday. Okay, you go.
Speaker 2: In honor of the tier, in honor of dropping the tears.
Speaker 2: He cleaned it up nicely. Okay, well let's start. There's
Speaker 2: so many different ways to go with that. Let's start
Speaker 2: with number one. It's Patrick Mahomes And I think there's
Speaker 2: almost like a narrative out there right now that is
Speaker 2: he number one? Right, i'd be like that coming off
Speaker 2: the injury and questions, do you tell me, were you
Speaker 2: surprised at all that he still is number one? From
Speaker 2: your And by the way, just making sure for people
Speaker 2: don't know, this is a vast survey of NFL executives
Speaker 2: in front office types, right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, fifty coaches and execs. I think there's eight gms,
Speaker 5: nine head coaches, maybe fifteen coordinators. You know a lot
Speaker 5: of people that prepare to face all these guys. So
Speaker 5: you know, obviously Mahomes gets a ton of respect somebody.
Speaker 5: You know, it's it's been said before. You know, he's
Speaker 5: sort of in the Brady seat. You know, Tom Brady
Speaker 5: like got to a point where he's just gonna be
Speaker 5: Tier one, Like you're not gonna it would take a
Speaker 5: lot of years of really bad play to get him
Speaker 5: out of there, right, And so he was. He was
Speaker 5: unanimous tier one until like one of my last ballots,
Speaker 5: one of the last ballots was a two, So he
Speaker 5: gets one two. He's still top of the survey. A
Speaker 5: ton of people have a ton of respect for him,
Speaker 5: and I think that.
Speaker 4: I like that. I like the fact that people just
Speaker 4: don't overreact on the short term.
Speaker 5: One of the points that was made in this was
Speaker 5: I went back and looked Joe Montana had three straight
Speaker 5: one and done starts in the playoffs. And if you
Speaker 5: go back and read and I've done it. I went
Speaker 5: back in the archives, read the you know, the chronicle
Speaker 5: and Glenn Dickey and guys writing about, you know, what
Speaker 5: was going on back then. There was some there was
Speaker 5: some angst and obviously they had Steve Young there and
Speaker 5: and there was talk and shoot, Tanna won the next
Speaker 5: two MVPs. You know, so I think people feel like
Speaker 5: Mahomes has earned that regard right that they could usually
Speaker 5: win the next two MVPs.
Speaker 6: Mike Murph and I were going through these exercise just
Speaker 6: a week or so ago. Listen out our top ten quarterbacks,
Speaker 6: and it seems like there's almost a consensus from the
Speaker 6: tier one quarterbacks, the top four to five quarterbacks in
Speaker 6: the league.
Speaker 3: But then it.
Speaker 6: Feels like once you get to that five, six to
Speaker 6: twelve thirteen range, you could pretty much shuffle and put
Speaker 6: together the list anyway you want.
Speaker 5: I believe that too, and at that point the list
Speaker 5: may say more about you and how you view the game, right,
Speaker 5: And so one of the things I did was, you know,
Speaker 5: break it down by hey, what did the coordinators think
Speaker 5: versus or what did the offensive coaches think versus defense? Right,
Speaker 5: what did the gms or personnel people think compared to others?
Speaker 5: I thought justin Herbert was pretty fascinating that way. You know,
Speaker 5: coming in at six, hasn't really done it yet in
Speaker 5: the playoffs, yet everybody would want to have them as
Speaker 5: their quarterback. Almost all the teams below Herbert would want
Speaker 5: to have them right.
Speaker 4: On their team.
Speaker 5: Might even trade their guy, even if they won a
Speaker 5: Super Bowl with them, Sam, Darnold, Joe and hurts that
Speaker 5: you'd rather have Herbert right, But it does get to
Speaker 5: be you could defend putting them lower.
Speaker 2: We're talking to Mike Sando does the great quarterback tiers
Speaker 2: and fifty NFL head coaches and front office and gms
Speaker 2: and executives and coordinators all ranking these quarterbacks. It's one
Speaker 2: of the most fun things to do in the NFL.
Speaker 2: Pat Mahomes number one. Before we get to Brock, I
Speaker 2: do want to talk about the fact that you say
Speaker 2: the four are locked in, and the four Josh Allen
Speaker 2: and Joe Burrow and Matt Stafford and Patrick Mahomes, And
Speaker 2: I'm a little surprised even I have I call it five.
Speaker 2: I still put Lamar there. You tell us what did
Speaker 2: the league say about Lamar? Why is he not in
Speaker 2: that same tier as those other guys.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, clearly last year wasn't as good for him,
Speaker 4: and his legs weren't there. You know, he didn't run.
Speaker 5: He still got what twenty twenty eight votes I believe
Speaker 5: in in twenty two votes in tier one. So you
Speaker 5: know a lot of guys forty percent of the panel
Speaker 5: basically little more than that are still putting him in
Speaker 5: Tier one. But his rushing yards went down to twenty
Speaker 5: five yards per game. It was fifty before that, and
Speaker 5: it was in the seventies before that, So what is
Speaker 5: he without that dynamic running ability? I think people feel
Speaker 5: like he's probably a high two mike.
Speaker 6: Getting down to brock Party at the number eleventh ranking
Speaker 6: in Tier two, he got one Tier one vote, thirty
Speaker 6: four Tier two votes, and fifteen Tier three votes. What
Speaker 6: do you think the league wide perspective is on brock
Speaker 6: Party going into year six.
Speaker 5: I think he's really established himself as an upper chier
Speaker 5: quarterback who is probably not going to go, you know,
Speaker 5: to into Tier one unless he would have really put
Speaker 5: it on his back and maybe do some things physically
Speaker 5: that you know, it's harder to do. But all the
Speaker 5: comments on him are pretty much positive. I think he's
Speaker 5: just he's had a career high number in this thing.
Speaker 5: Is his votes for the best they've ever been? I don't,
Speaker 5: But I don't think anyone's saying he's necessarily going to
Speaker 5: go to A one. I think still people still do
Speaker 5: give some credit, I think rightfully so to Kyle Shiannan
Speaker 5: who does a great job with the offense. But shoot,
Speaker 5: this is not a bad place to be. He's tied
Speaker 5: for eleventh with what is he tied with? Killer Williams?
Speaker 4: I believe m.
Speaker 5: And you know, you'd probably if I had to go
Speaker 5: with the next five games, I'd probably take Rock Purty,
Speaker 5: you know. Just he's going to play four good games,
Speaker 5: and I don't know how many Kileb Williams is gonna play.
Speaker 5: He might play one, he might play five. Right, He's
Speaker 5: a little all over the place probably still, But I
Speaker 5: think for the long term, you could see that Caleb
Speaker 5: Williams may pass him just on the talent.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I say Caleb's probably needs a little more evidence.
Speaker 2: The pull quote you guys have on Brock it's pretty flattering.
Speaker 2: It's from a defensive coach. It says stronger than you think,
Speaker 2: faster than you think, better than you think, almost like
Speaker 2: a six million dollar man type of compliment.
Speaker 3: There.
Speaker 5: It shows you guys were right all the time, because
Speaker 5: that's what you were saying five years ago or three
Speaker 5: years ago when people were.
Speaker 4: Trying to put him in Tier three.
Speaker 5: He's stronger than you think, he's faster, he's better than
Speaker 5: you think.
Speaker 4: Right, And now people agree.
Speaker 2: It's his mobility that goes there too. We're talking to
Speaker 2: Mike Sando here, and you know, guys who moved up
Speaker 2: a tier are catching our eyes, guys, and these are
Speaker 2: guys who Marcus and I sort of disagreed on he had.
Speaker 3: You had Caleb in there, right yep? And I did not.
Speaker 3: And then I had Drake May and you did not.
Speaker 6: No, I did not.
Speaker 2: So what do you think the league those two young guys.
Speaker 2: One guy went to a super Bowl, the other guy didn't.
Speaker 2: But these two guys are kind of the with a bullet,
Speaker 2: aren't they? Drake May and Caleb Williams.
Speaker 4: They are.
Speaker 5: You know, I thought that there might be even more
Speaker 5: excitement around Drake May. I mean, just went to the
Speaker 5: super Bowl and all of that. I think it was
Speaker 5: solid excitement, But it wasn't like, oh, this guy's a one.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 5: I think people still people feel good about him. They
Speaker 5: feel really good about him. So it'll be interesting to see.
Speaker 5: You know, some people may think he can go become
Speaker 5: a one. I think more people probably think Caleb Williams
Speaker 5: physically could become a one. I just don't know if
Speaker 5: the consistency, the consistency's going to be there with him.
Speaker 5: He is such a hold the ball player and for
Speaker 5: that matter, or Drake may takes a ton of sex,
Speaker 5: but it's hard to be consistent when you're using your
Speaker 5: legs all the time, and so that that could be
Speaker 5: something to watch for both those guys, but especially Caleb.
Speaker 6: Jordan Love is a man that is ranked one spot
Speaker 6: ahead of brock Party in these tier rankings at number
Speaker 6: ten overall. Now, I did have him as a top
Speaker 6: ten quarterback, one spot behind brock Party at number nine
Speaker 6: in my rankings. But Mike, what do you think the
Speaker 6: maybe difference is between a Jordan Love and a brock Party.
Speaker 6: Is there a thought that maybe Jordan Love has a
Speaker 6: higher ceiling with his athleticism or why do you think
Speaker 6: he's one spot ahead.
Speaker 4: Of Brock How much this draft day still matter? Yeah? Good, Yes,
Speaker 4: I do think that there's some of that.
Speaker 5: I do think, And look, there's a reason why guys
Speaker 5: go in the first round physically. You know, there's a
Speaker 5: difference between the two and it could be that simple.
Speaker 5: But certainly the production of Brock Party has been probably
Speaker 5: more consistent for a longer period of time. You know,
Speaker 5: is there a huge difference between ten and tied for eleventh.
Speaker 5: Not really, I mean they're super close to each other.
Speaker 5: But again, that could be one where people think that
Speaker 5: love has a chance to go high.
Speaker 2: Mike Sander's voice you hear from the Athletic and see
Speaker 2: him on our zoom too on a YouTube here he
Speaker 2: dropped the quarterback tears column, which has gone through the
Speaker 2: years has prettier and prettier graphics, by the way, with it.
Speaker 2: This is the one that forty nine ers fans love
Speaker 2: to hate. Dak Prescott and Marcus didn't even put him
Speaker 2: in his top ten. I think it was out of spite.
Speaker 2: I sure did. He went up five spots at this
Speaker 2: point in his career. Huh, getting that much better? Tell
Speaker 2: us about what the league said.
Speaker 4: That's probably my biggest surprise on the whole thing.
Speaker 5: I mean, you could always lock him in at ten
Speaker 5: or twelve something like that, and he's good, and then
Speaker 5: it doesn't happen in the playoffs, and you know, you
Speaker 5: can debate was their defense as Jerry Jones, you know, but.
Speaker 4: He just hadn't done it.
Speaker 5: You've been around that long and haven't made a bigger
Speaker 5: dent in the playoffs. I think a certain the patience
Speaker 5: kind of runs out on you. And I think that's
Speaker 5: happened with some with with Justin Herbert over a much
Speaker 5: shorter period of time, and they're up big on Jackson,
Speaker 5: phony blows, they blow the game. So I was a
Speaker 5: little bit surprised that he enched up. Now when you
Speaker 5: really look at how he played last year, a lot
Speaker 5: of great players around.
Speaker 4: Him and hold him back. I had to hold him
Speaker 4: back in this thing. Yeah, he really shot up, Mike.
Speaker 6: It's funny. We just had our good friend Matt Mayoko
Speaker 6: on the show just the other week and we were
Speaker 6: talking about these rankings and he said, Dak Prescott might
Speaker 6: be the most overrated and the most underrated quarterback in
Speaker 6: the NFL. Do you think that shit's kind of due
Speaker 6: to the cowboy fatigue we hear so much about each
Speaker 6: and every day.
Speaker 1: I do.
Speaker 4: I think that's some of it. I do.
Speaker 5: And then this the gap between you know, when he's
Speaker 5: healthy as regular season production is really good and they
Speaker 5: haven't done anything in the playoffs, and you know, last year,
Speaker 5: I'm not going to blame him for that because their
Speaker 5: defense was horrible, but there's always something right. And I
Speaker 5: think over a long enough period of time, you would
Speaker 5: expect there to be some better team results.
Speaker 2: There's some interesting a lot of local. All politics is local,
Speaker 2: and all quarterbacks are local. Jared Goff, he grew up
Speaker 2: in Marine County. I went to Marine Catholic High School
Speaker 2: in Nevado, California, President Resident, and then of course played
Speaker 2: at cal Berkeley. He's still despite the lines taking a
Speaker 2: little bit of a step back since their NFC Championship appearance,
Speaker 2: still top ten, tied for eighth. What was the feeling
Speaker 2: on Goff because there are some people that would knock
Speaker 2: him Mike, Yeah.
Speaker 5: I think that he's fully recovered though from the Sean
Speaker 5: McVay rejection, right, I mean, I think that hurt him
Speaker 5: and he was a little bit of a low there,
Speaker 5: the fact that he you know, there's nothing he does
Speaker 5: with us like magic with his legs or you know,
Speaker 5: he really does need it needed to be pretty good
Speaker 5: around him. But when it is good around him, he
Speaker 5: is really really good and great decision maker with the football.
Speaker 5: I talk to people that you know, had had seen
Speaker 5: him in person and came away more impressed because you
Speaker 5: can kind of see running of the whole operation. That's
Speaker 5: really what people see of Dak Prescott. The guy runs
Speaker 5: the whole thing, and it's hard to find. So many
Speaker 5: of these quarterbacks are you know, you can debate that
Speaker 5: they're a product of the system or somebody propping them up,
Speaker 5: but there are guys doing all this stuff at the
Speaker 5: line of scrimmage. And if you're super talented doing that,
Speaker 5: you're Stafford and you're in the top tier. But I
Speaker 5: think a couple of these guys, like Goff and even
Speaker 5: Prescott are benefiting from the fact that that's not really
Speaker 5: the trend in the league with guys coming out of college,
Speaker 5: and so there's an appreciateiation for the guy who is
Speaker 5: up the line of scrimmage and really in charge of
Speaker 5: the thing, as opposed to being more of a product
Speaker 5: of it.
Speaker 6: Mike, last question for me circling back to the forty
Speaker 6: nine Ers offense and brock Purty last year. Obviously, injuries
Speaker 6: were a big concern. They've got George Kittle recovering from
Speaker 6: an achilles injury. Ricky Piersol is now out for the
Speaker 6: season with the PCL surgery. Mike Evans, Dejon Struben, Christian
Speaker 6: Christian kirk are Deale with minor injuries in camp right now.
Speaker 6: They just brought back Deebo Samuel. So that's a long
Speaker 6: way of me asking you where do you think the
Speaker 6: forty nine Ers offense is going to be this year?
Speaker 6: Where brock Purty in the addition of Mike Evans.
Speaker 4: I'm worried now.
Speaker 5: A lot of people really applauded that move to get him,
Speaker 5: but he missed a bunch of the year last year.
Speaker 5: I think the the odds are the Bucks you know,
Speaker 5: got out. Probably they didn't get out a year too late, right,
Speaker 5: They probably.
Speaker 4: Got out on time. And so, uh, you know, I.
Speaker 5: Was already worried about Christian McCaffrey because the other two
Speaker 5: times he led the league in touches, he had injuries
Speaker 5: the next year. So now he's obviously older than he
Speaker 5: was then, And you know, are we taking him for
Speaker 5: granted right where all the focuses on the wide receivers.
Speaker 5: But yeah, Kittle coming off with the injury. Evans, who
Speaker 5: probably even if he isn't missing time right now, I
Speaker 5: would tell you he's going to miss games this year.
Speaker 5: Pearceall now is out. I'm definitely worried, and I'm sure
Speaker 5: forty Niner fans are too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, good stuff, Mike. And the last one for me
Speaker 2: is non Niners. It's Jalen Hurts. This guy won a
Speaker 2: Super Bowl, Super Bowl MVP. I'm correct, isn't he superl Yeah, oh.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's played great in Super Bowls.
Speaker 2: Guy has declined eight spots, like plummeting from number nine
Speaker 2: down to number seventeen. Man talk about the quote. The
Speaker 2: pull quote you guys have is his best players are
Speaker 2: off schedule. This is a defensive coach. It will become
Speaker 2: less sustainable as he gets older. So the knock is
Speaker 2: that he's just a he's an off schedule guy who
Speaker 2: as aged.
Speaker 4: Who has had those monster super Bowls. You can't take
Speaker 4: it away away from it.
Speaker 5: But you don't feel like that's what got him there,
Speaker 5: right the great offensive line, what do they had Sae
Speaker 5: Kwon bark He or not, you know, a really good
Speaker 5: defense This last year. People just feel like, if you
Speaker 5: can make him throw the ball a lot, he can't
Speaker 5: execute all of the throws the rock Perdy can even
Speaker 5: in an offense just boom boom, boom, boom boom. It's
Speaker 5: got to be you know, the slant or the go ball.
Speaker 5: And he was able to hit those in the Super
Speaker 5: Bowl and make huge plays over the top of the
Speaker 5: heads of the Chiefs. But do you feel like he's
Speaker 5: a consistent driver of your offense, especially if it were
Speaker 5: to fall off around him, which it has a little bit.
Speaker 5: Nobody really thinks that, And.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 5: Do you think that they're eager to sign him to
Speaker 5: a raise with a big extension.
Speaker 3: Would you beat? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, interesting texts, interesting texts. We'll see what happens in
Speaker 2: Philly for sure. Well, listen, there's so much to go through.
Speaker 2: We didn't even get to number thirty five, shdur Sanders.
Speaker 3: You didn't get to him.
Speaker 6: Where's my guy Fernando on that list?
Speaker 3: Well, you know who's number twenty eight? Is it twenty eight?
Speaker 2: So you kind of down there in the weeds there.
Speaker 2: Buddy Marcus is a Raiders fan. Mike, it's great, it's awesome,
Speaker 2: it's pretty to look at, it's fun, it's easy to access.
Speaker 3: In the Athletic.
Speaker 2: Everybody go check out the quarterback tiers by Mike Sando.
Speaker 2: Thanks for hopping on and cleaning up for us. We
Speaker 2: appreciate you.
Speaker 6: Thanks, Mike.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, let's do it again during the season.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, Mike Sandal good stuff from the Athletic. Well, listen,
Speaker 2: Brock is climbing he's up there, man, Jalen Hurst gets
Speaker 2: not a ton of love. Yeah.
Speaker 6: No, his game's kind of dropped off a little bit,
Speaker 6: and they've been losing some pieces.
Speaker 2: And the guy I wanted to get into my top
Speaker 2: ten just I was trying to find a way wound
Speaker 2: up fourteenth.
Speaker 3: And that's Baker Mayfield. Baker.
Speaker 2: The quote, the pull quote they have on him is
Speaker 2: streakiest player in the league.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Baker is a baller. When he's on, he's on.
Speaker 6: But yeah, there are times where a Baker does not
Speaker 6: look like a top ten quarterback.
Speaker 3: And then of course you go, what did I rank nineteenth?
Speaker 3: Oh man, let's shut that's what the media was said.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna I'm gonna plead the fifth on that one.
Speaker 3: Mark who put me nineteenth?
Speaker 2: Doctor Fauci must have been a uspn it be must
Speaker 2: have been the main Tony.
Speaker 6: He must have been.
Speaker 3: Tony must have been Fauci.
Speaker 2: Listen, we wish him well with this family reconciliation. Okay,
Speaker 2: back to the reaction to the Giants trade deadline. Man,
Speaker 2: oh man, I can't believe it. Some people angry about
Speaker 2: the Luis Arise trade.
Speaker 3: At least a couple people in my orbit not me.
Speaker 3: We'll get into it. Eightaway camber is the phone number.
Speaker 2: Ramos is a Yankee, Arise as a Philly Robbie Ray
Speaker 2: is a Padre. Eric Miller is a Red Sox. Eightaway
Speaker 2: cambiar is the phone number. How'd they do stack up
Speaker 2: the calls?
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