1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,320 Speaker 1: All right, welcome back in at eleven o seven on 2 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:06,880 Speaker 1: this Tuesday. I know we had quite a good conversation, 3 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:12,320 Speaker 1: a robust conversation about ICE the agency, and we'll take 4 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 1: a pause right here and looking a little bit closer 5 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:17,800 Speaker 1: to home and we can get back to that conversation 6 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:20,319 Speaker 1: if we have time. But getting closer to home here, 7 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 1: the Center for Freedom and Prosperity reached out to me 8 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:26,760 Speaker 1: and said, listen, we've got something going on here in 9 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 1: regards to, you know, trying to help with the skyrocketing 10 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 1: electricity bills that we're all suffering through. And they've got 11 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:37,159 Speaker 1: a petition that they've put together for affordable energy. So 12 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 1: I want to bring on I want to say the 13 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 1: President and CEO, if that's the correct titling for Mike 14 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:45,520 Speaker 1: Stenhouse from the Center for Freedom and Prosperity. 15 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 2: Good morning, Mike, Hey Tyl. Good to be back with you. 16 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:49,480 Speaker 2: It's been a while. 17 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 3: It has been a long time. 18 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:53,600 Speaker 1: I think most people remember you, obviously Mike from a 19 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 1: bunch of things, but really heavily involved in the truck 20 00:00:56,440 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 1: tolls and I'm sure we're going to be talking about 21 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 1: that in about six months. As we're cresting around the 22 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 1: corner of them, possibly bringing back to all trucks at 23 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 1: the beginning of next year. 24 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 3: But that is not what we're talking about today. 25 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:12,480 Speaker 1: You've got a petition going on to try to help people, 26 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 1: and I want to hear all about it. 27 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 3: Affordable energy. 28 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 2: Well, you know, we've been from our inception, since I 29 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 2: founded the Center fourteen years ago, energy has been our 30 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:27,479 Speaker 2: top project and we just are astounded that Rhode Island 31 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 2: is still on this path that's just going to cause 32 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 2: what are already high electricity prices to double, not even 33 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:38,679 Speaker 2: accounting inflation over the coming decades under our current Act 34 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 2: on Climate and net zero plans. And worse than that, Tara, 35 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 2: we've coined a phrase called freezing in the dark. I mean, 36 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 2: the green energy prescription that our lawmakers have set for 37 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 2: us cannot possibly produce enough energy. So on the coldest 38 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 2: of winter nights, imagine flipping that switch and your electricity 39 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 2: in your heat dugging go on and a real danger. 40 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 2: Now it's not just me saying that. We're part of 41 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 2: a Northeast consortium with think tanks from the Northeast and 42 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 2: other states, and we've put together two very well research 43 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 2: reports and talk about those staggering costs and risks and 44 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:19,239 Speaker 2: also provide alternatives that are much more affordable and much 45 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 2: more reliable. 46 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 1: Okay, So I recently had on Senator Rogers, who he 47 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 1: with I think Senator Lane Morgan were putting together bills 48 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:37,080 Speaker 1: to try to eliminate the Act on Climate laws in total. 49 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:41,920 Speaker 1: And you know, he tried to do it last session 50 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 1: up at the State House, and of course it didn't 51 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:46,919 Speaker 1: get any traction and it didn't even get a discussion. 52 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 3: I don't believe they're trying it again. 53 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 1: Are you working with anyone up at the State House 54 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:53,640 Speaker 1: to try to, I don't know, make it, you know, 55 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 1: would it help? 56 00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:59,360 Speaker 2: Well, we applaud that, but that's never going to happen 57 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 2: with this you know, kind of brainwash legislative body we have. 58 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 2: Let's take a step back. The Act on Climate was 59 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 2: passed in twenty twenty one under the Biden administration, when 60 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 2: there are all kinds of federal subsidies and money and 61 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 2: regulatory support, you know, for electric vehicle sales, for infrastructure, 62 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:21,919 Speaker 2: for windmills, for all that stuff. The world has changed dramatically. 63 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:24,920 Speaker 2: Right now we're under our new administration. We're going to 64 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 2: be under it for at least three more years, and 65 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:30,360 Speaker 2: all of that money, all of that regulatory support, almost 66 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 2: all of it has gone away. So the eight the 67 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 2: sixty billion dollars it's going to cost Rhode Island to 68 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 2: build that green infrastructure over the coming decades, A lot 69 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 2: of that was supposed to be paid for by the 70 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 2: federal government. Now that's gone. That's gone. So how can 71 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 2: we possibly stay the course it was? It was it 72 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 2: was unachievable in the first place. Now it's just it's 73 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 2: just completely insane to try to go this course. We 74 00:03:56,680 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 2: can't possibly build out that fantasy. Can't do it. 75 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 1: All right, So all right, you get a petition together. 76 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 1: How do we go about this? And then what's the 77 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 1: next steps? 78 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:10,839 Speaker 2: All right? Yeah, it's an interesting way we do petitions. 79 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 2: So if you go to rifreedom dot org slash energy 80 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 2: rifreedom dot orgla, all our reports are there and a 81 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 2: big box with a link to the petition. The petition 82 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:28,039 Speaker 2: when someone hit submit, it automatically sends a email to 83 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:32,359 Speaker 2: about ten different lawmakers, five of whom sit on the 84 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:37,719 Speaker 2: Special Senate Energy Commission to Study the Act on Climate Think. 85 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 2: We think that that group, under the direction of Sam 86 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 2: Zuri or the chairman, is our only hope to bring 87 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 2: some sanity to our energy policy. He's a reasonable guy. 88 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 2: I had him as a guest on my own podcast 89 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 2: a few weeks ago. He said he's going to have 90 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 2: an open mind about this. You know, state after state 91 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:00,600 Speaker 2: in the Northeast are changing their energy policy because they 92 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 2: realize that their original you know, net zero goals aren't 93 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 2: achieved blew anymore. So, so our petition, when you hit submit, 94 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:10,360 Speaker 2: that sends an email to about ten lawmakers, all those 95 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 2: five Senate Commission members, And we think this is winnable, 96 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 2: all right, This is not just because it's the reality 97 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 2: other states are changing their policies, Rhode Island has to change. 98 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 2: But we're not calling for the repeal of the Act 99 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 2: on Climate I mean it should be repealed because it's obsolete. 100 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:31,719 Speaker 2: We're just saying, hey, let's be let's delay our mandates. 101 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 2: You know, by twenty twenty thirty is supposed to do this, 102 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 2: by twenty thirty five is supposed to do that. Let's 103 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 2: delay all those by twenty years. Let's repeal the electric 104 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:44,919 Speaker 2: vehicle mandate that is still unscheduled to be imposed on 105 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 2: Rhode Island motorists, and let's withdraw from the Regional Greenhouse 106 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:53,919 Speaker 2: Gas Initiative, which artificially and purposely purposefully raises electricity coughts 107 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 2: for everybody in our state. Let's just take a few 108 00:05:56,760 --> 00:06:00,839 Speaker 2: steps the signals to the people of Rhode Island. Yes, 109 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 2: we're lawmakers, we understand our Act on Climate and net 110 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 2: zero goals are not achievable. 111 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:12,040 Speaker 1: Well, it's interesting, you know they're making money off of 112 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 1: that Act on Climate and all the greenness. You know 113 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 1: that you mentioned the electric vehicles those I think those 114 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:21,920 Speaker 1: registration prices doubled or there's some fee attached to them. 115 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 1: They baked it into the budget pie. So you know, 116 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 1: that's just the way Rhode Island operates. They just spend, spend, spend, 117 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 1: and they have lofty goals for whatever. Green initiatives are 118 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:39,839 Speaker 1: all kind of tied in there, and they're making money 119 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 1: off of them already. 120 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:41,920 Speaker 3: I don't know. 121 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:44,719 Speaker 2: How Well, you're right, just like so many of all 122 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 2: the policies that the Suicide Pass, it really is. And 123 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 2: you know, our economy, you know, look at Glenn Lodardo 124 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 2: from your I you know where he says we're in 125 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:56,719 Speaker 2: a recession here in Rhode Island and the rest of 126 00:06:56,720 --> 00:07:00,719 Speaker 2: the country's booming. Rhighte Island's in a recession. Yeah, so so, 127 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:02,599 Speaker 2: and energy is one of the big reasons for it. 128 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 2: By the way, with our energy prime, just imagine that 129 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 2: energy prices will double, not counting inslation. Just think about that. 130 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 3: It's crazy. 131 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 1: And there are people that are you know, and I 132 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 1: will put it out there to the folks that are 133 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 1: listening if you want to, you know, chime in as 134 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 1: I have Mike's tenhouse on the Sekunk Supply hotline from 135 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 1: the Center for Freedom and Prosperity, if you want to 136 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 1: give a voice to what you're going through. I think 137 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 1: the next couple of months are going to be very 138 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 1: difficult for some individual senior citizens, young families that are 139 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 1: you know, going month to month. 140 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 3: There's not a lot left over at the end of 141 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 3: the month. 142 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 1: And then if those energy bills because it's freezing cold 143 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 1: and storm after storm, we could see some serious issues 144 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 1: here in Rhode Island. And if anybody wants to talk 145 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 1: about the increase in their bill already, I think you 146 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 1: need to repeat the messaging. There's a lot of people 147 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 1: up at the State House, are you know, they listen 148 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 1: to the radio station and you got to kind of 149 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 1: shake them by the shoulders now. 150 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 2: Agreed. You know, the governor talked about throwing some money 151 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 2: around to help people pay their electric bills. That doesn't 152 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 2: solve the underlying problem. That's like putting a tiny band 153 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 2: aid out a massive, gashing wound. We got to change 154 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 2: the policies that are creating this crisis. And again, the 155 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 2: crisis is not just affordability. Certainly, this this green energy 156 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 2: path is unaffordable, sixty billion dollars in doubling of the 157 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 2: electricity prices, but it's also not achievable. We're not going 158 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 2: to have enough energy that you can't possibly produce enough 159 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 2: via wind and solar and look, wind wind farms, you know, 160 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 2: that's back and forth in the courts. We don't even 161 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 2: know if they're going to be allowed to continue. So 162 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 2: and so much of our future is placed on wind farms, 163 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 2: and we know they don't produce as much energy as 164 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 2: was advertised. We know they have a lot more maintenance problems, 165 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:56,560 Speaker 2: blade falling into the ocean, the harm to the environment 166 00:08:56,720 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 2: and sea life. They're just not the answer. And how 167 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:03,960 Speaker 2: are we going to produce enough energy to be prosperous 168 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 2: in our families and our businesses and the track people 169 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 2: here how is I mean, we call it energy poverty. 170 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:12,960 Speaker 2: Our state is about to suffer. We may already be 171 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:14,959 Speaker 2: in it energy poverty. 172 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 1: No, I absolutely hear you, and I would like to 173 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 1: hear from people that are getting the bills. You know, 174 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:23,439 Speaker 1: if you're still working on oil or maybe propane and 175 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 1: foresought water heating and there are other you know, homes 176 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 1: are made up of all different kinds. 177 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 3: Of ways to get the energy. But certainly. 178 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 1: You know it's I don't think it's sustainable either. So 179 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 1: I'm opening up the phone lines four three eight nine 180 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 1: seven seven six. If anyone wants to share the jump 181 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 1: in their bills. You can text as well. Four three 182 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 1: eight W p r O. That's the same line to call. 183 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 1: You can text, You can download the app and send 184 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:53,440 Speaker 1: us if you just want to give me a quick 185 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:56,439 Speaker 1: hit on what it's costing you now. But I really 186 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 1: feel feel like we're at the you know, the bottom 187 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:00,840 Speaker 1: of the curve and other words, I feel like they're 188 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 1: going to shoot up because we're only in January. Right, 189 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 1: you get the you get the cycled bill if you 190 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 1: will the next month. Right, you're paying for your prior 191 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 1: month obviously what your usage is and delivering all of that. 192 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:19,200 Speaker 1: So we're right in the middle of cleaning up after 193 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 1: this storm, and then we could have another one next weekend. 194 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 1: And I'm sure whatever else is happening, it could be 195 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 1: a very long and very expensive winter. That's just my 196 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:31,559 Speaker 1: non expertise thought. 197 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 2: I don't even want to see my electric bill next 198 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 2: month with all these sub sub freezing days the last 199 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 2: month and coming up. But you know, there's so much 200 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 2: misinformation out there, and that's why I have some hope 201 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 2: that Chairman Zurier, he said he'd have an open mind now. 202 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:48,440 Speaker 2: He had a discussion with me, and he put he 203 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 2: put out on that discussion. This is an example of 204 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 2: what I think the bigger problem is. He put out 205 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 2: a fact about Block Island wind form that was absolutely false, 206 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:58,720 Speaker 2: but yet he believed it. I don't think he was lying. 207 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 2: He just was misinformation. And so many people in that 208 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 2: legislative body don't understand the reality. They should read our reports. 209 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 2: That's other states are coming around to that reality, and 210 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 2: we've got to do the same here. People have got 211 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 2: to take the blinders off their eyes with this, you know, 212 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 2: climate change religion as we call it cynically, you know, 213 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 2: and and look at the reality of the situation here. 214 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 2: There's just so much information misinformation out there right now. 215 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 2: I hope, I hope that Commission has an open mind. 216 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:35,199 Speaker 3: Yeah. 217 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:39,239 Speaker 1: So I'm looking at your website and again it's arifreedom 218 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:41,320 Speaker 1: dot org. And then you can go to the energy section, 219 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 1: so slash. 220 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 2: Energy, slash energy, right. 221 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's very well spelled out and all you 222 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 1: have to just put your name, email, city of your town, 223 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:53,560 Speaker 1: and phone. But you're really looking at it says you 224 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:55,199 Speaker 1: don't have to put your city, your town. I guess 225 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 1: her phone because it's got the little red dots full name. 226 00:11:57,480 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 4: No, you don't have an email. 227 00:11:59,320 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 3: Yeah. 228 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:00,679 Speaker 1: Some people go, oh, I don't want to put my 229 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 1: phone number, but okay, you don't have to. 230 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 3: And you're specifically. 231 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 1: Calling for the repeal of the Rhode Island Electric Vehicle Mandate, 232 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 1: a withdrawal from the Regional Gas A Greenhouse Gas Initiative, 233 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:16,960 Speaker 1: which is a cap and trade compact among states that 234 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 1: purposely raises our electric bills. That's your take on this, 235 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:24,440 Speaker 1: the center, and also calling for the delay of all 236 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:27,559 Speaker 1: act On Climate mandates by at least twenty years so 237 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:31,720 Speaker 1: that ocean staters will not have to pay massive price increases. 238 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 1: I hope you get traction in some kind of an 239 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 1: audience with this. 240 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:39,840 Speaker 2: Well, we haven't even put the word out yet, just 241 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 2: from just from kind of word of mouth over the 242 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 2: weekend we've already had over I think we're approaching seventy five. 243 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 2: Let me just read you two or three comments, but 244 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 2: one you can put your own comment in there too. 245 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 5: Yep. 246 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:53,680 Speaker 2: One repeal the Act on Climate. It is destructive to 247 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 2: impose this expensive, job killing budget on Rhode Islanders. My 248 00:12:57,160 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 2: energy bills are outrageous. All of the green energy been 249 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:04,560 Speaker 2: passed by this administration of bankrupting Rhode Islanders. Rhode Islanders 250 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 2: will not survive with current climate goals. Those are just 251 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:08,959 Speaker 2: some of the comments from the general public. I don't 252 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 2: know who they are, but these are just commons that people. 253 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 2: I mean, this is a very important issue to our state, 254 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 2: our future, to family budgets, to business budgets, to us 255 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 2: attracting new businesses into the state or driving them out 256 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:25,200 Speaker 2: of the state. This is this is this is the 257 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:28,320 Speaker 2: most important policy issue out there. And like you've been saying, Tara, 258 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:30,079 Speaker 2: nobody's talking about it. 259 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 3: Well, I think here on this radio station we have 260 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:35,439 Speaker 3: and I'll tip my hat to no you. 261 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 2: I mean lawmakers, oh oh oh oh. 262 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:40,080 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, Which we're trying to beat the drum over 263 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 1: here on this side because we talked to real people. 264 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 1: Like you said, I mean, either do the homework or 265 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 1: talk to real people. And I don't think it's going 266 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:50,200 Speaker 1: to be that hard to figure out. And speaking of that, 267 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 1: let me bring on Cindy and Warwick. 268 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 3: Good morning, Cindy, Good morning Cara. 269 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 4: So my bills for this month. I'll keep in mind 270 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:02,200 Speaker 4: I'm on Social Secure and if you know anything about that, 271 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 4: it's not a lot after taxes. It's a little under 272 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:08,720 Speaker 4: one thousand that I get. So this week I had 273 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 4: my pro pane delivered that was eight hundred and six 274 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 4: dollars and forty nine cents. Now propane is it regulated, 275 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 4: so they can charge whatever they want and that will 276 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 4: probably last me a couple months. I got my electric 277 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 4: bills last month it was one thirty seven ninety five. 278 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 4: This month it's four twenty five twenty three. Yeah. Then 279 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 4: I have my war work Utility Billy biller, which is 280 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 4: a you know, quarterly thing that's one eighty six seventy 281 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 4: four up from one sixty three seventy one. Now, any 282 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 4: anybody that's even really bad at math. Can know that 283 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 4: I have more money going out than coming in. Yes, yeah, 284 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 4: I mean luckily, I have the rental situation that I 285 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 4: rent out, although it's slow now, I also save money. 286 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 4: But I'm sixty nine and it would, you know, if 287 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 4: I didn't, if this house didn't make money, I would 288 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 4: move obviously because I'd have to. But I can't imagine. 289 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 4: I've been to city hall meetings where there's little ladies 290 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 4: crying because they're going to lose their house. 291 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 3: It's sad, it is. 292 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 1: This is exactly I think what we're all talking about 293 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 1: here today. And I appreciate you sharing the numbers and 294 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 1: your story. 295 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, and I already went on and voted. And I 296 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 4: also want to encourage people to vote no in Warwick 297 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 4: on the school bond because that alone they're looking for 298 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 4: additional money, is going to add an extra seven hundred 299 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 4: dollars a year to taxes. 300 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 1: Mean Warwick is, yeah, is a struggle for sure. I 301 00:15:57,280 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 1: have all my families saying why don't you move back 302 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 1: to Warwick. I'm like, oh, right now, Cindy, hang in there. 303 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 1: Let's uh maybe this petition, will you know, I hope 304 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 1: do some good. We'll come right back, if Mike Stenhouse 305 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 1: wants to hang on, and Bill and Johnston as well, 306 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 1: four three eight nine, seven seven six. 307 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 3: It's eleven twenty three. All right, let me take another call. 308 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 6: Here. 309 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 1: We have Mike Stenhouse on the SEACONK supply hotline from 310 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 1: the Freedom of excuse me, the Center for Freedom and 311 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 1: Prosperity about a petition to lower your electric bills. And 312 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 1: if you can hang on, that would be great. We've 313 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 1: got other callers calling in. Bill and Johnston. 314 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 5: Good morning Bill, Good morning TAA, thanks for taking my call. 315 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 5: Good morning Mike. Uh. Always good to see you fighting 316 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 5: for Rhode Islanders all the time. You know, we're just 317 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 5: getting buried here in our utility bills. And where are 318 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 5: we gonna Where are we gonna address the nuclear option 319 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 5: on this, because I think that would really solve a 320 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 5: lot of issues. 321 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 7: You know, they have. 322 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 5: Moved in Europe, these little nuclear plants. Why can't they 323 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 5: build them here? You know, well I got our answer 324 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:56,400 Speaker 5: for that when I. 325 00:16:56,360 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 2: Got t go ahead, All I do I have a minute? 326 00:16:58,760 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 5: Yes. 327 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 2: Our last report to the caller with a bill, Our 328 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 2: last report highlighted three alternatives to this crazy alternative green 329 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 2: energy strategy. If we if we were to go all 330 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 2: off natural gas, we'd have to increase pipeline capacity, which 331 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 2: means we decoperation from other states. Get the reason natural 332 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 2: gas is so expensive now, we can't get enough supply 333 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:24,920 Speaker 2: it because the pipelines are too small. But natural gas 334 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 2: scenario would still reduce carbon emissions, but do so at 335 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 2: about one seventh the cost of the green energy program. 336 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:37,399 Speaker 2: Nuclear would do it at about one of the cost 337 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 2: and still have significant carbon emission saving. So both natural 338 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:45,880 Speaker 2: gas and nuclear are far superior options to the path 339 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 2: we're on right now. 340 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:52,119 Speaker 7: All right, Well, exactly because they blocked they blocked the pipeline, 341 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:54,440 Speaker 7: the gasal gas pipelines going through New York State. 342 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 2: You know, yeah, well New York, New York has relented. 343 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:03,359 Speaker 2: I think the President got the New York governor to 344 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:05,680 Speaker 2: relent a little on that. So that's one hurdle out 345 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 2: of the way. But still to get proper natural gas 346 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 2: flowing into our regions is going to take some investment, 347 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:14,879 Speaker 2: but not not as much as this green energy madness. 348 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:18,360 Speaker 1: So my guest in this hour is Mike Stenhouse from 349 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:21,199 Speaker 1: the Center for Freedom and Prosperity, and they have a 350 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 1: petition calling on the Act of Climate Commission to recommend 351 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 1: affordable energy policies, and people, I'm looking at the texting line, Mike, 352 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:35,919 Speaker 1: on the seaconks Way hotline, there are signing up for 353 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:37,359 Speaker 1: your petition. They have to do is put your name 354 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 1: in your email and it will go to this commission, 355 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 1: which is made up of Rhode Island lawmakers. 356 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:43,359 Speaker 3: Correct. 357 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:48,360 Speaker 2: Yes, five senators, chaired by Senator Zurier. He got Senator Vargas, 358 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:53,680 Speaker 2: Senator Murkenny, Senator Rogers who you mentioned, and Senator Sasnowski. 359 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 2: And I think all five are reasonable people, so we're 360 00:18:57,080 --> 00:18:59,720 Speaker 2: hoping they will have an open mind. By the way, Tarry, 361 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 2: I got a compliment, you got some, You've got some 362 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:04,520 Speaker 2: real poll I mean just in the last twenty minutes, 363 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 2: about thirty petitions have come in from all over the state. 364 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:10,399 Speaker 1: So there you go, all right, Well that hey, listen, 365 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 1: we say it here, it comes out there as they 366 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:16,159 Speaker 1: say in broadcast news. But you know what's what's heartbreaking 367 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 1: are the text messages that I have coming in. Uh 368 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:21,200 Speaker 1: five four five is a number coming in a family 369 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 1: of five. Our electric bill is six hundred and forty 370 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:24,360 Speaker 1: dollars a month. 371 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:27,880 Speaker 2: I mean course it's gonna double. 372 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 1: I mean I you know that that's if that's the month. 373 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:35,679 Speaker 1: And like I said, we've got more and more you 374 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:37,720 Speaker 1: know of the of the weather coming in, so you 375 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:41,119 Speaker 1: that puts you out a couple of months. Two oh 376 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:42,880 Speaker 1: four says. My last one was one hundred and forty 377 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:45,119 Speaker 1: seven dollars. Don't forget about the oil. Just put in 378 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:47,440 Speaker 1: one hundred gallons. That was three hundred and thirty eight dollars. 379 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 1: You know, if you have a bigger home and you're 380 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:53,119 Speaker 1: renting it, it's it's it's tough. Let me go to 381 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 1: Georgian Providence on w p R O Hi, Georgey. 382 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:01,200 Speaker 8: You know, I think another thing that drives I rent 383 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 8: and they blame the mean old landlords. The rents are 384 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 8: so high because it's you know, it's all you know, policy, 385 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 8: it's energy costs. 386 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 3: No doubt, no doubt. They can't absorb it right. 387 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 9: Right, And I think that whole green energy thing is policy, 388 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 9: it's dressed up. It's actually punishment. And people can't afford 389 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:31,880 Speaker 9: to rent, they can't afford their homes and they can't 390 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:36,399 Speaker 9: afford to do anything. It's just a terrible situation. This 391 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 9: whole it's a misdirection, this whole green energy thing, it 392 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:43,879 Speaker 9: does nothing to save anybody anything. It just it's resentment. 393 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 1: Well, I will tell you that if you're trying to 394 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 1: do the right thing, you're trying to save on emissions, 395 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:55,360 Speaker 1: and you get the electric cars, they're getting whacked now 396 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:57,879 Speaker 1: because they've figured out a way now to You've already 397 00:20:57,880 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 1: got the cars, so now they're going to hit you. 398 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 1: They doubled all the fees at the DMV, so you're 399 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:05,960 Speaker 1: you're getting you're getting punished in that sense. Something that 400 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:07,440 Speaker 1: was one hundred dollars to register, I think it's a 401 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 1: registration is now two hundred dollars. 402 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 3: You can't win for trying. 403 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 8: You know, want they want you to go green, but 404 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:15,480 Speaker 8: they make you pay for it. 405 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:16,119 Speaker 3: Right right? 406 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 1: Ye? 407 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:20,480 Speaker 3: Can I jump in on yes, thank you George. 408 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 9: Yep. 409 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 2: So think about the insanity of this. We still have 410 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:27,920 Speaker 2: an electric vehicle mandate in this state where it's where 411 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:30,679 Speaker 2: you're not going to be able to buy a gasoline 412 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:35,480 Speaker 2: poll car in the coming years. The only reason that 413 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 2: industry has survived so far is government subsidies. Government you know, 414 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:42,959 Speaker 2: seventy five hundred dollars up to rebate or subsidy if 415 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:44,760 Speaker 2: you want to buy an electric vehicle, which costs a 416 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:47,159 Speaker 2: lot more than other cars. Plus all the money that 417 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 2: was promised to build all these charging stations everywhere, all 418 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 2: that money's gone. The subsidies are gone, the money. How 419 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:56,919 Speaker 2: can Rhode Island possibly have an electric vehicle mandate without 420 00:21:56,960 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 2: those levels of federal support? It's impossible, But yet that 421 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:05,720 Speaker 2: mandate is still on our books. It's insanity, it. 422 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:07,680 Speaker 3: Is, it really is. 423 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 1: So you've got the petition going and people are saying, 424 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 1: please repeat how I can get to that petition, and 425 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:16,240 Speaker 1: I'll let you do it. 426 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 2: My go ahead, sure, urifreedom dot org slash energy. And 427 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 2: again the petition is a big box there for the 428 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:27,560 Speaker 2: link to that, plus all the reports and other commentary 429 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:30,679 Speaker 2: we've had on this over over recent years, our freedom 430 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 2: dot org slash energy. 431 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:36,360 Speaker 1: All right, what's the next step here? Do you take 432 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 1: the petition to this commission? Do you call a meeting 433 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:40,879 Speaker 1: or ask for a meeting? You can't call him, but 434 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:42,639 Speaker 1: ask for a meeting? How does it work? 435 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:48,639 Speaker 2: So Senator Zurier hasn't on my show he said future meeting. 436 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:52,480 Speaker 2: There's in fact, there's a meeting. Let's say twenty step tomorrow. 437 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 2: There's the first commission hearing. Now, okay, I criticize him privately, 438 00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 2: and I'll do it publicly here too. It's a once 439 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:05,720 Speaker 2: hear he's having this ET four commission present and he's 440 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:09,240 Speaker 2: having the consulting firm that you know is behind their 441 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 2: research presents. So the commission tomorrow is going to hear 442 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 2: only one side of the story, and it's going to 443 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 2: be the slanted, you know, green, you know, green energy 444 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:20,639 Speaker 2: religion position. But he did promise there will be at 445 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:24,240 Speaker 2: least one day for public testimony. I don't think that's enough. 446 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:26,239 Speaker 2: I think a lot of people need to weigh in 447 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 2: on this. You know, nobody wants to sit there for 448 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 2: seven eight hours, you know kind of thing, waiting for 449 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:34,360 Speaker 2: everybody to talk. So I'm not exactly sure how it's 450 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 2: going to work out, but we will testify at that commission. 451 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:41,720 Speaker 2: I'm hoping to bring in a national energy expert to 452 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:44,679 Speaker 2: also testify at that commission once we understand the ground 453 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 2: rules a little bit better. But there are only hope 454 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:50,359 Speaker 2: right now. Their job is to make recommendations about the 455 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:52,960 Speaker 2: implementation of the Act on Climate, which is all those 456 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:57,479 Speaker 2: green energy laws. We're hoping they will recommend. Hey, you know, folks, 457 00:23:57,480 --> 00:23:59,280 Speaker 2: we got to pivot, We got to turn it back 458 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:02,040 Speaker 2: away from this and do something more reasonable and affordable. 459 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 2: We're hoping because we know that leadership in the General 460 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:08,720 Speaker 2: Assembly and the rank and filogy are so brainwashed with 461 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:11,920 Speaker 2: this stuff that there's no hope there, there's no hope, 462 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 2: there's no process. Even Senator Rogers' bill probably won't even 463 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:18,199 Speaker 2: get a fair hearing on it, and didn't even if 464 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 2: I got a hearing, they'll just put it, you know, 465 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 2: they'll put it on a hole, put the bill on 466 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 2: further study. So this commission, we think is made up 467 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:29,480 Speaker 2: of reasonable people who we hope will come to a 468 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:31,880 Speaker 2: reasonable conclusion and recommendation. 469 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 1: Now, interestingly enough, I just received the press release Commission 470 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 1: Monitoring Act on Climate Progress to meet Wednesday. It literally 471 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:40,760 Speaker 1: just came down a minute ago. So if they're listening, 472 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:43,720 Speaker 1: they got their press release out. It's tomorrow four o'clock, 473 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,600 Speaker 1: room to twelve, second floor of the State House. They're 474 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:49,240 Speaker 1: scheduled to hear and discuss Rhode Islands twenty twenty five 475 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:54,479 Speaker 1: climate action strategy, with testimony from Terrence Gray, who's been 476 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:58,359 Speaker 1: a longtime director of the DEEM, Elizabeth Stone DM environmental 477 00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:02,480 Speaker 1: policy analysts, and Chelsea Petrenco Associate director of Energy and 478 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:03,960 Speaker 1: Environmental Economics. 479 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 2: Hmmm, so yeah, committed to the climate. 480 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 3: Change sure, sure, all this right of course. 481 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 2: Diverge opinion there, mm hmm. 482 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:17,480 Speaker 1: Okay, So sign the petition for that you can find 483 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 1: on the website for the Rhode Island Center for Prosperity, 484 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,399 Speaker 1: Freedom and Prosperity. If that's what you so choose to 485 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 1: do to my listeners. And also I would call leadership 486 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 1: and say, you know, you've got a lot of people 487 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 1: in a room tomorrow that are really into green energy. 488 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,919 Speaker 1: It's killing us financially. What's the other side of this 489 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 1: and what are you going to do for me? That's 490 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:40,520 Speaker 1: what I would do. Let me take a couple more 491 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:42,880 Speaker 1: phone calls here. Shane's from the League of Rhde Island Businesses. 492 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:47,160 Speaker 3: Good morning, Shane, Tara, how are you good? How are you? 493 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:49,679 Speaker 7: Oh? I'm wonderful but up for I don't know how 494 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:51,520 Speaker 7: many hours here a couple of days, Claire and snow 495 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:53,680 Speaker 7: and I'm listening and I just just think it's something 496 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 7: dawned on me. I wanted to reach out as I 497 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:57,199 Speaker 7: listened to all of our great things that go on 498 00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:00,120 Speaker 7: here in Rhode Island. I have a new marketing strategy 499 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,359 Speaker 7: for all of our reps and senators and the governor 500 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,400 Speaker 7: and everyone that loves all these green mandates and loves 501 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,959 Speaker 7: the millionaires tax and the Taylor Swift tax and all 502 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:12,359 Speaker 7: these other things. I got a new marketing slogan for 503 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 7: Rhode Island. Okay, it's Rhode Island, the Ocean state. You 504 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,720 Speaker 7: can't afford to live, you can't afford to die. 505 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:19,440 Speaker 4: What do you think? 506 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:29,359 Speaker 10: Oh god, yeah, they come on and they paid someone 507 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 10: millions of dollars. 508 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:31,160 Speaker 5: For cooler and warmer. 509 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,000 Speaker 7: I came up within three minutes in the machine. 510 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 3: You can't afford to die. 511 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:39,399 Speaker 7: You need change, You need everyone. Sign the petition. Please 512 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,960 Speaker 7: sign the petition. Go to the state House. Enough is enough, 513 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:46,360 Speaker 7: you gotta get It's a call to action, mister Stenhouse. 514 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 7: Keep the good work going. Everybody out there that's working 515 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:51,879 Speaker 7: like like I have been for days, plowing trying to 516 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,400 Speaker 7: get your businesses open, show up and tell them enough 517 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:56,280 Speaker 7: is enough, with done paying for nonsense. 518 00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:58,879 Speaker 1: Thank you, Tyra, thank you, Shane, appreciate it. One more 519 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,639 Speaker 1: Susan in Connecticut on wpro High Susan. 520 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:06,199 Speaker 6: Yes, I'm in southeastern Connecticut, right on the Rhode Island 521 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,640 Speaker 6: line where we live, and I will tell you here 522 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:15,080 Speaker 6: in New London County, my electric bill this month was 523 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 6: eight hundred and four dollars, and I'm in I will 524 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:24,679 Speaker 6: tell you back in July of twenty four, it was 525 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 6: only two hundred. When Kamala Harris started running, the electric 526 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:33,800 Speaker 6: bills shot up four hundred, five hundred, six hundred, seven hundred, 527 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:34,719 Speaker 6: eight hundred. 528 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 11: Governor Nano Mont bragging last. 529 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 6: Month in our paper. I can't believe he brags he 530 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:46,679 Speaker 6: made a billion on ever source? Now ever source is 531 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:51,160 Speaker 6: I did not know owned half by Orsted, that Danish 532 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:54,639 Speaker 6: company from Denmark. They're the ones trying to put revolution 533 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 6: wind in. And there's another Denmark company that owns I 534 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:02,040 Speaker 6: take THEE off and Massachusetts. 535 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:06,320 Speaker 11: And also I will give you the number I call 536 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:09,120 Speaker 11: all the time to the White House. 537 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,200 Speaker 6: They're not taking phone calls, but I'll. 538 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:17,080 Speaker 11: Give you the email. And everyone should give your amount 539 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:22,280 Speaker 11: of your t city bill to Trump. He doesn't know 540 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:26,520 Speaker 11: because you know, but it's okay. Here's the number the 541 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:32,879 Speaker 11: White House comment line one two O two four or 542 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:36,120 Speaker 11: five six one one one one. 543 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:37,919 Speaker 3: All right, I appreciate it, Susan. 544 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 1: I think we got we're trying to do this from 545 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,560 Speaker 1: a local perspective, and I appreciate that, and I see 546 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 1: that you've done some due diligence. Thank you for the 547 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 1: phone call. I don't know what that phone number is, 548 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 1: so I'm a little uncomfortable giving out a phone number 549 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,320 Speaker 1: to the White House. If yeah, yah, so take it 550 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,720 Speaker 1: for what it's worth. I hear what she's saying. I'm 551 00:28:56,760 --> 00:29:01,240 Speaker 1: getting so many messages from PO bill. You know, with 552 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 1: the numbers. My electric bill in Connecticut over the Rhode 553 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 1: Island line was two hundred and fifty two dollars last 554 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,320 Speaker 1: month for a three thousand square foot home. Now I 555 00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:13,080 Speaker 1: have this a person on my own phone who is saying, 556 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,240 Speaker 1: this is a twelve unit apartment building showing me their 557 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 1: bill just the heat, nine hundred and seventeen dollars just delivery. 558 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:21,960 Speaker 1: Never had bills this high in the middle of winter. 559 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:24,840 Speaker 1: Next month will most likely be close to three thousand dollars. 560 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 1: Each unit has their own hot water and power. Tenants 561 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 1: are over one hundred and twenty five to one hundred 562 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 1: and seventy five dollars each twelve unit apartment building. So 563 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,280 Speaker 1: then you wonder why when the previous caller a few 564 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 1: callers back, said, you know, sure, it's easy to blame 565 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 1: the landlord, but what are you supposed to do with that, right, 566 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 1: It's got to be spread out the cost. 567 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:48,560 Speaker 2: Well, I also think of the regulations. If you upgrade 568 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:50,920 Speaker 2: or build a new apartment a house, you got to 569 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 2: have certain expensive green kind of heaters and insulation. I mean, 570 00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 2: all this stuff you probably don't need. One might be nice, 571 00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:01,760 Speaker 2: but very expensive. But to your caller in Connecticut, you 572 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,480 Speaker 2: know Connecticut, at least Connecticut is one of the states 573 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,600 Speaker 2: last year they said, Okay, enough of this craziness. We're 574 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,640 Speaker 2: gonna We're gonna not We're going to withdraw from our 575 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:14,600 Speaker 2: electric vehicle mandate. So Connecticut has already said okay, no 576 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 2: to that. It's time for Rhode Island to do that 577 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:17,840 Speaker 2: as well. 578 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:20,680 Speaker 1: All right, so Mike did can go to your website 579 00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:23,520 Speaker 1: sign the petition and then you're gonna it's going to 580 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:25,520 Speaker 1: go to the Act on Climate Commission, which happens to 581 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:27,760 Speaker 1: be that commission happens to be meeting tomorrow for the 582 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:29,160 Speaker 1: first time. So we'll keep an eye on it and 583 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:31,600 Speaker 1: maybe have you circle back around as you get some traction. 584 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:35,360 Speaker 2: Well, thank you, Tara for having me. It's a very 585 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,600 Speaker 2: very important issue. Thank you for keeping this conversation alive, 586 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,040 Speaker 2: and you've been talking about it in recent weeks as well, 587 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:44,080 Speaker 2: and we need to keep putting the pressure on yep. 588 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:47,000 Speaker 3: I agree. Thank you, Mike Stenhouse. We'll talk to you soon. 589 00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:48,160 Speaker 2: Thank you.