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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the extr Earning Postgame Show with Bill Laski.

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Speaker 1: My guest when he played, was on the show a

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Speaker 1: few times. Now we have to call him a special advisor.

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Speaker 1: Let's bring in Kirk, You, Sally, Kurt, how are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm great, Thank you both for having me.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's a pleasure talking to you again, but under

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Speaker 1: different circumstances. But I got to go back eleven years

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Speaker 1: in Major League Baseball. The end was always near. But

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Speaker 1: how do you know that in the end was being

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Speaker 1: you know, coming to an end. Did you talk to

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Speaker 1: your family? Was it more your thoughts on it? And boy,

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Speaker 1: how does it feel not putting catching gear on again?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: It was an interesting process. You know, it ended up

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Speaker 4: not being hard at the very end. But I kind

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Speaker 4: of had, you know, a chance to go to Triple

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Speaker 4: A in twenty twenty four, and I kind of viewed

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Speaker 4: that as my you know, last time I was going

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Speaker 2: And you know, the year ended up being great.

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Speaker 4: Because I ended up back with the Giants and that

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Speaker 4: was you know, super special to me, as you and

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Speaker 4: everybody else knows. And then you know, I knew it

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Speaker 4: was going to be another NRI. The next year, went

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Speaker 4: to the Braves spring training. Uh, you know, felt like

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Speaker 4: I had a good off season, felt strong, and then

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Speaker 4: two days in I was just like all that.

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Speaker 2: Strength was was just gone.

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Speaker 4: And you know that coupled with uh, you know, an

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Speaker 4: over fourteen spring with Atlanta, I was I was like,

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Speaker 4: you know, they they told me I wasn't gonna make

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Speaker 4: the team. They asked if I wanted to go to

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Speaker 4: a triple A, and I.

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Speaker 2: Very politely said no.

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Speaker 4: You know, I just I had a lot of conversations,

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Speaker 4: you know, years, like you know, probably two years worth

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Speaker 4: of conversations with my wife Renee, about when it's time,

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Speaker 4: And you know, I could see, if I could, I

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Speaker 4: could feel it fading.

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Speaker 2: I could see it fading. You know. It's just it's

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Speaker 2: it's really.

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Speaker 4: Difficult to be a major league baseball player and to

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Speaker 1: Goes to every player too, you know, and minor league

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Speaker 1: the big leaguers. When is it time just to say

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Speaker 1: I'm done? What's next in the next chapter of my life?

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Speaker 1: And I think that's the biggest drama of all players.

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Speaker 1: What is next? Do I go into work, do I

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Speaker 1: try to do something different. You stayed in baseball, you

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Speaker 1: worked with the Cincinnati Reds for a few months, but

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Speaker 1: now you ended up talking to Buster Posey and now

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Speaker 1: you're back with the San Francisco Giants. How did that

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Speaker 1: all embark on you?

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Speaker 3: It?

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Speaker 4: You know, I had a conversation with the Reds this

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Speaker 4: this off season about a position for next for next season,

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Speaker 4: and they didn't have anything available. So you know, I

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Speaker 4: thank them for their time, and you know, I definitely

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Speaker 4: learned a lot last summer, and my first call was

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Speaker 2: Buster right away.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I remember having conversations with them even years ago,

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Speaker 4: of just I felt like we were just kind of

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Speaker 4: you know, I'm thinking, like, I'm sure you can run

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Speaker 4: the Giants someday, Buster, but you know me me and

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Speaker 2: But I answered him straight. I was like, heck, yeah,

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Speaker 4: So it's you know, this is just the beginning of

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Speaker 4: that whole process. I'm not saying that my my goals

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Speaker 4: And you know, the Giants just the Giants are just

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Speaker 4: very very special to me and my family as well.

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Speaker 4: We love the Bay Area. I was born out there.

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Speaker 4: It feels very very close to me, Hart, and I'm

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Speaker 3: It for you.

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Speaker 1: Here in the extrnying postgame show is Kirk You Sally

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Speaker 1: now especial advisor to Buster Posey along with Hovey Lopez.

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Speaker 1: I want to jump back into that twenty twenty one season.

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Speaker 1: Of course, a great season by the San Francisco Giants

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Speaker 1: by winning one hundred and seven games, But you, I

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Speaker 1: Buster Posey, Brandon Bell, Brandon offered, you had a pitching

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Speaker 1: know what, backup catchers had a lot to do with

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Speaker 1: just like they didn't Buster. What made that communication with

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Speaker 4: Solely, I think it's just something I've always prided myself on.

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Speaker 4: I kind of figured out pretty early in my career

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Speaker 4: the best backup catcher I could possibly be that whenever

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Speaker 4: a game and all those things. But you know, we

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Speaker 4: definitely wasn't a one sided street. I mean, Gosman had

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Speaker 4: Anthony Scafani popped off that year, Cueto Cueto here and

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Speaker 4: deals with the Giants that that uh, you know, proved

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Speaker 4: pretty pretty special season. We don't We ultimately fell short

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Speaker 1: Well, Kurt, you had a special relationship with Gabe Kapler.

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Speaker 1: You guys were joking around and the dugout a lot,

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Speaker 1: punching each other, grabbing each other, but it was all

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Speaker 3: How was it with Gabe Kapeler as that manager.

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Speaker 2: I thought it was good.

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Speaker 4: I think he's a very analytical mind, but he also

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Speaker 4: that came across as robotic to even you know, the

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Speaker 2: But but if.

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Speaker 4: You if you just kind of peel the onion back,

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Speaker 4: that's actually, you know, just who he is. He's just

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Speaker 4: a very you know, authentic and straightforward person. And you know,

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Speaker 4: he said exactly what he was thinking whenever he was thinking.

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Speaker 4: And I can, I can always appreciate that. The punching thing,

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Speaker 4: I don't really know how that started.

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Speaker 4: I think I just I tried to like body him

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Speaker 4: been in July or August, he was like, can we

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Speaker 4: stop doing this? First of all, first of all, you're

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Speaker 4: kind of hurting me. Second of all, Second of all,

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Speaker 4: it's just killing me. So so we agreed, we shook hands,

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Speaker 1: But it was pretty funny, you know, it was pretty

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Speaker 1: funny from from us watching it, you know, on television

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Speaker 1: in different parts of the year. But it definitely got

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I just I want to I want to make

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Speaker 2: You know, I haven't thought about that in a long time.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for reminding me, Kurt.

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Speaker 1: To Sally joined me on the Externing postgame show. I

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Speaker 1: want to go into defense. You were one of the

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Speaker 1: over your career eleven years, you had a nine to

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Speaker 4: Oh, I remember, I remember, I made three in one

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Speaker 3: Allowing up. I would it's very impressive.

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Speaker 2: In eleven eleven.

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Speaker 1: Five, Oh, you hit thirty, but still thirty thirty is

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Speaker 1: a catcher is impressive. Thirty is impressive, very impressive at

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Speaker 1: nine ninety five feeling percentage, twenty one double plays. How

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Speaker 3: That's a great number, a real good number.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna say the same.

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Speaker 1: That was kind pred I mean, you start thinking about

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Speaker 1: just the one year itself, and then you're talking eleven

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Speaker 1: much you learned behind the plate. I'll ask you a

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Speaker 1: general question, why do you think catchers are good managers?

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Speaker 4: I think that I think catchers play a completely different

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Speaker 4: think we played the chess match more than any anybody else.

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Speaker 4: Were we are facing, you know, facing the field, we

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Speaker 4: see the eight other players. We're folks seeing on the

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Speaker 4: doing physically, where our defenses is aligned, how many outs

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Speaker 4: And I'm not saying that other players can't go this deep.

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Speaker 4: They just don't have to. It's it's it's our job

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Speaker 1: and you just pretty much exemplified that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it kind of it kind of just it makes

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Speaker 4: Last, how do I put my you know, how do

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Speaker 4: It's starting to, you know, starting to get a little

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Speaker 4: I need to chew his ass, I need to get

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Speaker 4: it's only it's only from love, and it's only because

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Speaker 2: Why catchers tend to, you know, be decent, decent managers.

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Speaker 2: I think, not saying the catchers make the best managers.

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Speaker 3: I do. I do too.

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Speaker 1: A few more minutes with Kirk Casally on the xCE

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Speaker 1: Learning Post game show. When you went to Vanderbilt, you

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Speaker 5: I want to, I want I want to, you know,

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Speaker 5: looking back, I want anybody that I've met or played

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Speaker 2: I want, I want people.

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Speaker 4: To think of me as somebody who can keep things

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Speaker 4: if necessary. And yeah, you know, that's that's an interesting question.

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Speaker 4: I don't know, if I don't know, if I've ever

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Speaker 4: I've ever been asked that question before.

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Speaker 3: Well that's good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you you got me. I just I

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Speaker 4: I think what makes me happy is bringing out the

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Speaker 4: If I if I help somebody out, then then that

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Speaker 1: Well, Kurt, for eleven years you did that as a

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Speaker 3: Size, are you excited to do this?

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Speaker 2: Hell?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I've wanted to do this probably, you know, probably

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Speaker 4: five years into the big leagues, I realized that I

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Speaker 4: And I think that's just a common mis misconception about

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Speaker 2: And I, you know, I don't know if you know this.

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Speaker 4: I'm a big golfer, so I I like the I

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Speaker 2: So that's that's that's that's my wardrobe anyway.

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Speaker 4: So I feel like I can just you know, ease

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Speaker 1: Well, Kurt, I want to wish you all the luck

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Speaker 1: in your new adventures, and I think you're in the

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Speaker 1: right hands with Buster Posey and all the names you

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Speaker 1: just mentioned, and I'm looking forward to seeing you at

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Speaker 1: thank you for your time to name my friend.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely thanks for having me Go Giants.

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Speaker 1: That was Kurt Caselli on the ex Rning postgame show.

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