Speaker 1: To the faithful.
Speaker 2: Sirs too, dub Nation, and to those who bleed orange
Speaker 2: and black.
Speaker 1: Good morning. This is Murph and Marcus, Bryan.
Speaker 3: Murphy and Marcus the Waterboy Bouchet streaming live a twitch
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Speaker 4: Ah, Good morning, everybody, Happy Wednesday, August fifth. It is
Speaker 4: the Murf and Marcus Show, where I believe it is
Speaker 4: now week five of the Brian Murphy vacation Extravaganza. My
Speaker 4: guy Murph, I don't think he's worked a full week
Speaker 4: over the last two months. He's off once again on
Speaker 4: the East Coast for the rest of the week. So
Speaker 4: it's my guy JD once again and back in the
Speaker 4: saddle this morning here in Daily City, John Dickinson filling
Speaker 4: in for the next couple of days here on the
Speaker 4: Morning Show, where of course we are breaking down all
Speaker 4: things forty nine ers as we're getting closer and closer
Speaker 4: to the NFL season. We've got some Warriors beef on Twitter,
Speaker 4: Kevin Durant versus Klay Thompson and Draymond Green. And of
Speaker 4: course we've got your Hagondes who wait for it, got
Speaker 4: walked off for a Major League Baseball high tenth time
Speaker 4: last season. Oh Jung Ho Lee back on the Warning
Speaker 4: Teck can't find the ball, But I found my co
Speaker 4: host this morning, JD.
Speaker 1: What's up brother? How we doing today? What's going on?
Speaker 4: Man?
Speaker 1: It's always fun to be with you and great to
Speaker 1: be together again here and we will for the next
Speaker 1: couple of days. Life goals, Life goals.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 1: That the Murph vacation plan. Oh, I mean, like I
Speaker 1: got to figure that one out.
Speaker 4: I mean, you're telling me I've learned a lot in
Speaker 4: my five six years now working on The Warning Show
Speaker 4: with Merph. But he will strategically take a vacation day.
Speaker 4: I can't remember the last tame who worked a full week.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 4: I will tell everybody after these three days. He's telling
Speaker 4: me at least that he's gonna work the next three weeks,
Speaker 4: but I'm not sure how much I believe him. But
Speaker 4: we are about three four weeks away from the NFL season,
Speaker 4: so he better get his ass back in the studio
Speaker 4: for a full time gig.
Speaker 1: Because JD, after watching.
Speaker 4: Another walk off loss for the Giants last night, I'm
Speaker 4: just ready to go full fledge in on the forty
Speaker 4: nine ers.
Speaker 1: Moving forward, Yeah, we got some quarterback tiers to get
Speaker 1: into as well at some point. And really, I mean,
Speaker 1: how often, just to come back to the Giants and
Speaker 1: the way that the game ended, how often this season
Speaker 1: has one night's hero turned into the next night's goat Yeah,
Speaker 1: or even or even that night's hero turns into that
Speaker 1: night's goat Allah Willia damas great point going back. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just it's it's unbelievable when you look at you know,
Speaker 1: Jung Huli goes double dong on on Monday night and
Speaker 1: the get a big win back a logan web in
Speaker 1: the midst of all the trade deadline chaos and new
Speaker 1: players in the clubhouse and all of that, and then
Speaker 1: the next night you have Jung Hulee with a defensive
Speaker 1: misqueue on a ball that should have been made, you know,
Speaker 1: played should have been made, falls down, stumbles allows after
Speaker 1: a nice comeback, a couple of comebacks in that game,
Speaker 1: and Bryce Eldridge coming up with the big base hit
Speaker 1: to tie the game in the top half of the
Speaker 1: ninth inning. So there are some young bright spots played
Speaker 1: tidwell pitch pretty well after the first inning, and you know,
Speaker 1: he's obviously going to be in the mix for a
Speaker 1: rotation spot for twenty twenty seven. So some of the
Speaker 1: younger players kind of taking the center stage, but one
Speaker 1: of the veterans, even a veteran that's been a quality player,
Speaker 1: winds up being the player who makes the catastropar. That's
Speaker 1: the takeaway from me from last night's game.
Speaker 4: It's all about the future moving forward post trade deadline
Speaker 4: and the Giants moving a lot of players off the roster,
Speaker 4: a lot of guys getting opportunities. So today's show might
Speaker 4: be on the three b's, Bassabe, Bryce and Blade. And
Speaker 4: when I'm thinking about three b's, no, I'm not talking
Speaker 4: what is it big baller brand, No, we'll leave We'll
Speaker 4: leave the ball family out home and talk about Basabe
Speaker 4: with the big home run, his third in the last
Speaker 4: four games. Bryce Eldridge off the bench, ties the game
Speaker 4: also in the ninth. But then we get to jung
Speaker 4: Hole and this is something I got to get off
Speaker 4: my chest early JD.
Speaker 5: Sure.
Speaker 4: I'm looking at the official scoring and first it was
Speaker 4: rolled a hit, then it was rolled a ground world double.
Speaker 1: I hate this. How is that not an air?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 1: Oh? I get it, because in baseball you have to
Speaker 1: touch the ball for it to be an air. Literally,
Speaker 1: no scoring rules. I mean, I mean that that is awful.
Speaker 4: It's something I've always disagreed with as a former pitcher too.
Speaker 4: It used to drive me nut when an autphab were
Speaker 4: to take a terrible route. They'd like running on a
Speaker 4: fly ball. The ball goes over the head and then
Speaker 4: they come back to Doug. I's like, oh, well, that's
Speaker 4: not on me. I didn't touch the ball. That's that's
Speaker 4: a blanket air. Jung Lee's got to catch that ball.
Speaker 4: I don't know if I'm on an island here by myself, JD.
Speaker 4: But and every single way you want to slice it,
Speaker 4: whether or not they scored it that way, that's a
Speaker 4: ball that Jung Holi can make.
Speaker 1: He should have made that play into me. That's an air. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I think if you really want to get into
Speaker 1: the minutia of it, maybe there could be a misplay
Speaker 1: scoring adjustment where there might be a new category, not
Speaker 1: not that has to be listed on the scoreboard or
Speaker 1: anything like that. We can go our h e for
Speaker 1: the vibes, for the history, for the culture, but maybe
Speaker 1: there does need to be some like misplay thing that
Speaker 1: can affect earned runs and earned run average and all
Speaker 1: those sorts of things. But yeah, it's just I'm with you.
Speaker 1: I mean, it winds up in the literal nature because
Speaker 1: he didn't touch the ball being a double and a
Speaker 1: game winning hit for the Rangers in that one. But
Speaker 1: it's just it just it's just been that kind of
Speaker 1: freaking season, man, where one guy's hero turns into the
Speaker 1: next night's goat, and in ways that you don't even expect.
Speaker 1: Because Jung Huli with the move to right field, has
Speaker 1: been has been excellent. Yeah, he's been great to share
Speaker 1: it offensively, yeah, And so it's just kind of a bummer.
Speaker 1: But the wins and losses at this point don't really
Speaker 1: matter as it relates to the Giants. It's more about
Speaker 1: the individual performances and more specifically the individual performances of
Speaker 1: the young players Tidwell, Basabe and Bryce Eligery.
Speaker 4: You had no question about it, and it was nice
Speaker 4: to see Bryce Ojic off the bench yesterday after there
Speaker 4: was some talk pregame that he would only be available
Speaker 4: as a pinch runner dealing with a little bit of
Speaker 4: a thumb issue. Sounds like he's got a chance to
Speaker 4: be back in the lineup and back at first base today,
Speaker 4: and he should be after coming through clutch yesterday, lefty
Speaker 4: lefty matchup against one of the best relievers in baseball
Speaker 4: who was an All Star this season Lass for the
Speaker 4: Texas Rangers. He gets the job done. That's after Basabe
Speaker 4: tied the game as well. I don't know if we're
Speaker 4: onto something here with Basabe, but three Horme runs in
Speaker 4: the first four games. It's the type of production you
Speaker 4: want to see from one of these young guys getting
Speaker 4: the opportunity because JD there's gonna be a ton of
Speaker 4: opportunities moving forward, not just in the lineup, but also
Speaker 4: in that rotation. And Blade Tidwell yesterday making his first
Speaker 4: start as a member of the San Francisco Giants, now
Speaker 4: not his big league debut, made a couple starts last
Speaker 4: year in the Mets organization before he was traded over
Speaker 4: in the Tyler Rogers trade. We saw him earlier this
Speaker 4: year when he made his Giants debut and got a
Speaker 4: save in his first outing. The three inning saved, the
Speaker 4: rare save that you don't see too often, and I
Speaker 4: was really hoping he'd have a chance to I don't
Speaker 4: know if this has happened before, get a save in
Speaker 4: his first appearance and a win in his first start,
Speaker 4: did not get the win, did not factor into the decision.
Speaker 4: Dylan Smith got the loss last night, but I gotta
Speaker 4: say pretty good outing from Blade Tidwell to settle in
Speaker 4: after a bit of a rocky first inning thirty two pitches,
Speaker 4: is able to get through five innings yesterday, two earned runs,
Speaker 4: three strikeouts on the day, got nine whifs on the slider,
Speaker 4: and he's one of those guys that's looking to take
Speaker 4: advantage of all these openings in a rotation after trading
Speaker 4: away Robbie Ray and Tyler Mallech.
Speaker 1: And I think the type of picture that can provide
Speaker 1: I had an element that the Giants haven't had in
Speaker 1: terms of, you know, maybe somebody with a little bit
Speaker 1: more swing and miss stuff. And I think we've seen
Speaker 1: Carson wizen Hunt come up and yes, up and down.
Speaker 1: He started great, and it hasn't pitched as well as
Speaker 1: time has gone on here at the big league level.
Speaker 1: But he's also somebody that gets a lot of swing
Speaker 1: and miss and has you know, special a specialty pitch
Speaker 1: that will allow him to get that. So those are
Speaker 1: sort of the nuanced things that you focus on here.
Speaker 1: With less than a couple of months now, to go
Speaker 1: in the season. But let's just keep it a buck.
Speaker 1: I mean, the Giants have three rotation spots open, yeah,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty seven. Not that they're all going to be
Speaker 1: filled by any you know, anybody or everybody that's currently
Speaker 1: on the roster to finish up twenty twenty six. But
Speaker 1: a big part of the equation, now that the Giants
Speaker 1: have made the moves that they did at the deadline,
Speaker 1: part of it is, we talked to Zach Managin about it,
Speaker 1: You're opening up opportunities for others to come up and
Speaker 1: essentially audition at the major league level. And yeah, tid
Speaker 1: Well had been in the big leagues with the Mats
Speaker 1: and the Giants obviously previously, but he gets really the
Speaker 1: first opportunity to audition. And I'm with you, I think
Speaker 1: he was pretty solid overall.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think when you are looking towards twenty
Speaker 4: twenty seven, twenty twenty eight, hopefully if there is baseball
Speaker 4: in the near future, you start thinking about what that
Speaker 4: rotation could look like. If it is logan web, I
Speaker 4: say you would pencil and land and roup as that
Speaker 4: second option. Right now, Trevor McDonald is now having surgery
Speaker 4: on his elbow, so he had an opportunity early this year.
Speaker 4: You're looking at Tidwell, Carson Wizard, Hunt will get the
Speaker 4: start today. Maybe we see a tug boat Matt Wilkinson
Speaker 4: some point soon in San Francisco. All those options are
Speaker 4: on the table. After the Giants traded away six members
Speaker 4: off the active roster, and a bunch of them made
Speaker 4: their new debuts. Yesterday saw Eric Miller getting out in
Speaker 4: the sixth inning for the Boston Red Sox one and
Speaker 4: done as a lefty specialist. Elliott Ramos was hitting clean
Speaker 4: up yesterday in pinstripes, even though he forgot to button
Speaker 4: up his bottom buttons. His belly was hanging out the
Speaker 4: Elie Ramas over four hitting clean up with the Yankees.
Speaker 4: Luisa Rice already making an impact with the Philadelphia Phillies,
Speaker 4: had an RBI single and an RBI double in his
Speaker 4: first two at bats. So you're seeing some Giants players
Speaker 4: already have some success, but also some new debuts around
Speaker 4: the league. How about Scooble getting his first start with
Speaker 4: the Dodgers last night and the Dodgers taking an l
Speaker 4: A lot of talk right now about how the Dodgers
Speaker 4: have ruined baseball. There was actually a plane flying a
Speaker 4: banner over Wriggley yesterday that said the Dodgers ruined baseball. Well,
Speaker 4: they've now lost five straight games, their biggest losing streak
Speaker 4: of the season. It was nice to see Scooball and
Speaker 4: the Dodgers get knocked around last night in one of
Speaker 4: the biggest stories in baseball.
Speaker 1: Jd Yeah, in a playoff like atmosphere at Wrigley and
Speaker 1: the Cubs had a little something for him. This is
Speaker 1: not the same Cubs team that the Giants faced going
Speaker 1: back to June. The Cubs we were pretty awful, I
Speaker 1: felt in the six games they played against the Giants
Speaker 1: compared to the team that they've actually become. So much
Speaker 1: of baseball is when do you play teams? But if
Speaker 1: you had told me that this Cubs team in the
Speaker 1: first week of August would be doing what they've done
Speaker 1: to the Dodgers in the first two games of that
Speaker 1: series at Wrigley Field, based on what we saw in
Speaker 1: the head to head matchups that I think were split
Speaker 1: three and three between the Giants and the Cubs. But
Speaker 1: Giants could have won five of those games, if not
Speaker 1: all six of those games.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And that's when I was drinking beers out on
Speaker 4: the bleachers at Wrigley that day. They put up eighteen runs.
Speaker 4: But JD surprise, surprise. Even in that series, I saw
Speaker 4: a walkoff loss from the Giants PCA with the walk
Speaker 4: off one of the ten that the Giants have suffered the.
Speaker 1: Seas as she did in a blown save with the
Speaker 1: game tying home run as well, And so yeah, the
Speaker 1: Cubs able to get the win there, and they were
Speaker 1: able to split the six games head to head despite
Speaker 1: the fact that, again the Giants were highly competitive. So
Speaker 1: when you play teams matters again, this isn't that Cubs team.
Speaker 1: But yeah, how about the Dodgers a little bit? Is
Speaker 1: it karma? Is it? Is it karma? Marcus? I'd like
Speaker 1: to think it's karma or are they just getting it
Speaker 1: out of the way now?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I mean there are dog days of August. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's.
Speaker 4: Almost like they're at the point where like they're kind
Speaker 4: of like the kensit the Chiefs where they can kind
Speaker 4: of just play with their food during the regular season
Speaker 4: and then they're gonna turn it on during the postseason.
Speaker 4: I don't know, but you're right, last night did feel
Speaker 4: like a postseason environment out at Wrigley.
Speaker 1: I hated that turn that term. It doesn't come up
Speaker 1: anymore obviously because of the where the Warriors are at,
Speaker 1: but there was nothing, and I know folks in the
Speaker 1: Bay loved it because it was the Warriors and they
Speaker 1: had the I used to I hated that. Play with
Speaker 1: your food.
Speaker 4: Yeah, just play with your food from it on the
Speaker 4: third quarter and you'll be alrighty ah.
Speaker 1: That's so disrespectful, even if it is the whole team.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, Jad, I want to make sure you're not
Speaker 4: rewriting history about the Warriors playing with their food, because
Speaker 4: there's there's a lot of rewriting of history going on.
Speaker 4: Kevin Durant getting into it on social media with Klay
Speaker 4: Thompson and Draymond Green yesterday. That's a topic that we
Speaker 4: can dive back into, and Jad, you mentioned it. QB
Speaker 4: Tears are out its football season Hall of Fame game
Speaker 4: tomorrow night, and then one week from tomorrow, forty nine
Speaker 4: ers are taken on Mike Holders Tennessee Titans. So a
Speaker 4: lot to dive into with the forty nine ers injury
Speaker 4: port with the Giants, Triple B's in action last night,
Speaker 4: Blade Tedwell, Bassab and Bryce Eldridge trying to have a
Speaker 4: comeback effort before Jung Ho Lee misplays the ball on
Speaker 4: the warning track. Once again, the Giants walked off for
Speaker 4: a MLB high tenth time this season. Eight away cambre
Speaker 4: is the number if you had any positive or negative
Speaker 4: takeaways from last night's game. We'll break it down all
Speaker 4: day long as we get you closer to an eleven
Speaker 4: thirty five. First pitch today out in Texas, Giants will
Speaker 4: try to win this series on the road, but so
Speaker 4: many things to get into. We got the guesses coming
Speaker 4: up from Wall on the other side. Good guesses today
Speaker 4: with a bunch of topics that dive into. It's Marcus
Speaker 4: Bouchet and John Dickson and filling in from IRF on
Speaker 4: the Sports Leader.
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Speaker 1: The two to two pitch, a swing and a fly
Speaker 1: ball right field, moving back on at least still on
Speaker 1: the move going.
Speaker 5: Back, reaches out, he can't make the catch as he
Speaker 5: falls to the ground. It bounces off the warning track
Speaker 5: and up over the wall and the Rangers will walk
Speaker 5: it off.
Speaker 1: Here at the bottom of the ninth.
Speaker 2: Five to four.
Speaker 4: Ah the sights and sunds of Jung hou Lee having
Speaker 4: a bad ninth inning yesterday after being.
Speaker 1: The hero just a couple of days ago with two
Speaker 1: home runs.
Speaker 4: Let's a ball drop for a ground world double was
Speaker 4: the official scoring. The Texas Rangers walk off the Giants
Speaker 4: once again. The are walking off disappointment, and I gotta
Speaker 4: say I'm disappointing with the tech sign already coming at
Speaker 4: me earlier this morning. Surprise surprise, that is, of course
Speaker 4: the Golden Saint Lumber and Showroom tech Ligne eight one
Speaker 4: to eight says, come on, guys, there's no rule in
Speaker 4: the official rules book that a player has to touch
Speaker 4: the ball for it to be an air. And I'm like, look,
Speaker 4: I'm not arguing with the official rule book. I'm just
Speaker 4: giving my own take as a former pitcher, as somebody
Speaker 4: gets pissed off when somebody overplays a ball or has
Speaker 4: a bad route. Nine two five says, as somebody who
Speaker 4: is as somebody who cost our pitcher a no hitter
Speaker 4: in high school. I agree with you, Marcus. I misjudge.
Speaker 4: They play ball and I ran in the ball saled
Speaker 4: right over my head. But I'm blaming the coaching. Not
Speaker 4: sure if we can blame Tony Vaytelo on this one.
Speaker 4: I'm just blaming Jung Ho Lee for a bad read
Speaker 4: and a bad ending for what was a pretty entertaining
Speaker 4: game by the young Hagantes battling back multiple times. I
Speaker 4: stand by my take. Whether or not the official scores
Speaker 4: book a grease with JD. I think that's an error
Speaker 4: in my book.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and look it's it's the written or unwritten rules
Speaker 1: of scoring. It's not the official you know, Major League
Speaker 1: Baseball rule book in play here, so we can debate it.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it was. It was a misplay clearly that
Speaker 1: winds up costing the Giants an opportunity to get the
Speaker 1: extra innings and and maybe pull off what would have
Speaker 1: been again on August fifth, now one of the better
Speaker 1: wins of the year. For all the games the Giants
Speaker 1: have lost and walk off fashion and you've laid out
Speaker 1: it's league leading and all that's too many to count.
Speaker 1: I've lost count. I think you mentioned the number that
Speaker 1: I had already forgotten because I'm just omitting it from memory.
Speaker 1: Ten a ten A blank in ten. They've been walked
Speaker 1: off ten times. But it just doesn't. I know, they've
Speaker 1: had a couple of walkoffs, but they just have not
Speaker 1: had the comebacks the walk off Like, they have not
Speaker 1: had anywhere close to the level of heartbreaking losses in
Speaker 1: comparison to the feel good wins. I know, the Bryce
Speaker 1: Eldritch Grand Slam and the big comeback is the one
Speaker 1: that stands out. But really other than that, like, have
Speaker 1: they absolutely thieved another game all year?
Speaker 7: No?
Speaker 1: Not really, not middle in one.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 1: Have they had a couple of walkoffs.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they've had the Bryce Odridge Grand Slam oracle where
Speaker 4: they battle back what was eight to one or ten
Speaker 4: to one, whatever the.
Speaker 1: Hell was nine to one in the eighth. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: battled all the way back.
Speaker 4: But yeah, it's been one of the glaring issues for
Speaker 4: the Giants this year, seventh, eighth, and ninth innings offensively,
Speaker 4: and then you look at the bullpen and the problems
Speaker 4: that they've had. Obviously, it's been a huge issue, and
Speaker 4: it leads to the fact of why they're now forty
Speaker 4: eight and sixty six on the season.
Speaker 1: And then in a couple of these instances where they
Speaker 1: have had comebacks, whether it's last night with Bryce Eldridge
Speaker 1: able to get the base hit to tie the game
Speaker 1: or a Damas sitting a home run to tie the game.
Speaker 1: They've tied the game and then gone on to to
Speaker 1: get walked off on in a couple of those instances.
Speaker 1: Even going back to the weekend in Chicago that we
Speaker 1: talked about, they ended up getting a big late inning
Speaker 1: hit a couple of them, and then immediately PCA does
Speaker 1: him in there. So it's just more of a watchability,
Speaker 1: maddeningly frustrating type of a point than anything at this
Speaker 1: stage really matters in terms of obviously the wins and
Speaker 1: losses because it's all about development. But Giants fans are
Speaker 1: really taking it on the chin this year when it
Speaker 1: comes to not having a lot of those special moments
Speaker 1: but then also really getting gut punch after gut punch
Speaker 1: after gut punch off on the L side.
Speaker 4: And it seems like that misplay by Jung Ho League
Speaker 4: kind of sums up the Giants twenty twenty six season
Speaker 4: hashtag nothing like it There truly is nothing like what
Speaker 4: we've seen from this team this year.
Speaker 1: But hey, we are in the memory making business. As
Speaker 1: bus or Posey told.
Speaker 4: Us, that's definitely going to be a play that I
Speaker 4: remember but maybe we should just move on because to
Speaker 4: your point, JD, who cares about wins and losses at
Speaker 4: this point they're forty eight and sixty six. There were
Speaker 4: eighteen games under five hundred on the day of the
Speaker 4: trade deadline, which led to bus Or Posey making some
Speaker 4: I don't want to call him toughnesss hell. They are
Speaker 4: decisions that we talked about for a couple months leading
Speaker 4: up to the trade deadline. JD.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they made the moves that needed to be made
Speaker 1: among the players that are going to be you know,
Speaker 1: expiring deals and free agents here coming up. They also
Speaker 1: make the Elliott Ramos deal, a player with some team
Speaker 1: control left, and they're setting up the future in particular,
Speaker 1: they're setting up their pitching future in a major way.
Speaker 1: So now it becomes about development and opportunity for some
Speaker 1: new players that haven't had that as much for this year.
Speaker 1: A lah Blade didwell. Who were watching run back here
Speaker 1: his first start and first inning currently as we do
Speaker 1: the show, Yeah, Blade tib well last night, Carson wasn't
Speaker 1: on today. Some guys that are looking to grasp onto
Speaker 1: those opportunities and maybe take a hold of one of
Speaker 1: these spots in the starting rotation next season to show
Speaker 1: buster posey in the front office what they have. But
Speaker 1: I know what we have.
Speaker 4: That's a guest is today, Walter, Q up those horns,
Speaker 4: turn on that microphone, Walter, give me that guest list.
Speaker 4: And of course this is the guest list on the
Speaker 4: Murphy Market show that is sponsored by El Crito Honda.
Speaker 4: More than just a car dealership. We're family, aren't we, Walter?
Speaker 4: We're family? What's up, brother?
Speaker 1: How we do family moment? Proud dad moment. I'm proud
Speaker 1: that you got that reading before I had to ask you.
Speaker 1: I know, look at me.
Speaker 4: I'm so responsible, even with Murph on vacation. Now, I
Speaker 4: know Murph and I have gone back and forth about
Speaker 4: the technicalities of whether or not a misread on a
Speaker 4: fly ball is an air or not. Walter, what's your
Speaker 4: take on the Jung Holy misplay? Should that be credited
Speaker 4: as a hit or should that go in the book
Speaker 4: as an air?
Speaker 1: Absolutely error? I mean, I mean, come on, what are
Speaker 1: we talking about?
Speaker 7: If you misplay the ball and it's on you, like,
Speaker 7: I don't know what else has to constitute for it
Speaker 7: to be an error.
Speaker 1: See, that's why we are family, just like El Sirito.
Speaker 4: Walter, we're on the same page, all right, give me
Speaker 4: to that guest list, because I feel like we might
Speaker 4: have somebody who played in last night's game on this
Speaker 4: guest list.
Speaker 1: Walter, what have we got lined up today?
Speaker 7: We do, so let's get to it. First thing on
Speaker 7: the guest list today, we got the Worldwide of Walt.
Speaker 7: We're gonna ask you some questions. I think this is
Speaker 7: JD's second time, or it might be his first time
Speaker 7: in the World World of Walt.
Speaker 1: First time, so your first time in that you always
Speaker 1: remember your first time.
Speaker 4: You never forget your first And I love the fact
Speaker 4: that Walter announces himself as the first guest on the
Speaker 4: guest list, of course.
Speaker 7: As it should always be. As it should be, I
Speaker 7: always am on the guest list at twenty eight. So anyways,
Speaker 7: that is at seven point fifteen, and then we go
Speaker 7: follow that up with Mike Kruco at seven.
Speaker 4: Thirty looking forward to breaking down Blade Tidwell's performance last
Speaker 4: night with Mike Kruco and some of these opportunities in
Speaker 4: the starting rotation and in the bullpen.
Speaker 7: Moving forward, switch the conversation over to Finer forty nine
Speaker 7: ers training camp. We'll talk to Matt Barrow's at eight
Speaker 7: to fifteen.
Speaker 1: I got a film.
Speaker 4: We're going to talk about injuries, injuries and injuries with
Speaker 4: Matt Barrows at eight fifteen this morning, Walter. And then
Speaker 4: we got the Cooler of content at eight thirty. Good
Speaker 4: stuff in the cooler of content. Like I said, we've
Speaker 4: got some sound from Kevin Durant comparing the twenty seventeen
Speaker 4: Warriors to the twenty twenty seven twenty twenty six Philadelphia Sixers.
Speaker 1: That's a topic we can dive into.
Speaker 7: And then you mentioned talking Blade Tidwell with Mike Kruco
Speaker 7: at seven thirty, Well, why not talk to him himself
Speaker 7: at nine to fifteen Blade Tidwell from the Mound at
Speaker 7: nine to fifteen.
Speaker 4: How about Blade Tidwell making his first start as a
Speaker 4: member of the San Francisco Giants last night and now getting.
Speaker 1: His first interview on the Murph and Marcus Show. How
Speaker 1: about that? It's JD.
Speaker 4: Filling and from MRF will continue some of these trade
Speaker 4: deadline discussions. Next, react to the big picture that Buster
Speaker 4: Posey is building before we get into some Warriors, forty
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Speaker 1: At seven fifteen. JD.
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Speaker 5: App Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 8: I guess you can characterize it with how you want.
Speaker 8: I wouldn't necessarily say a rebuild. I mean, obviously we
Speaker 8: moved some some six major league players off of our
Speaker 8: roster today. I guess the messages is we're not satisfied
Speaker 8: with the way that we've played this year, in the
Speaker 8: last few years, and we're trying everything we can to
Speaker 8: to continue to build a product that that we can
Speaker 8: all be, you know, excited to come and watch.
Speaker 1: And that was really the goal.
Speaker 8: And this is can we even if we have to
Speaker 8: subtract a little bit now, can we potentially add some
Speaker 8: players that we think our fans are going to be
Speaker 8: excited about and hopefully wear a Giant's uniform for a
Speaker 8: long time.
Speaker 4: Don't call it a rebuild, don't call it a comeback,
Speaker 4: as L. L.
Speaker 1: Coole J Will tell you on the Rejoin.
Speaker 4: Even though the Giants almost came back like last night
Speaker 4: in Texas, ended up getting walked off again and of course,
Speaker 4: that was the voice of bus Or Posey talking about
Speaker 4: the new look Giants roster after trading away six players
Speaker 4: off the active roster before this year's MLB trade deadline,
Speaker 4: which led to multiple new faces in the lineup. Last night,
Speaker 4: Basabe once again at the top of the order, saw
Speaker 4: Leonard over at shortstop, Grant McCrae back in the outfield,
Speaker 4: Christian Cost. Kind of a cast of misfits in this
Speaker 4: Giants lineup, but those were some of the moves that
Speaker 4: the Giants had to make after I don't know if
Speaker 4: you want to call it a rebuild JD. Maybe a retooling,
Speaker 4: maybe a reshuffling. Definitely a reshuffling of the Giants farm
Speaker 4: system and some of the top prospects that got back
Speaker 4: in this trade hall. But any way you want to
Speaker 4: slice it, Buster Posey was a seller at this year's
Speaker 4: trade deadline. What was your message that you got from Buster?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it, it's a rebuild of the future
Speaker 1: of the pitching staff, I think in the pitching depth,
Speaker 1: I do think you could characterize it as a rebuild
Speaker 1: in that vein, although the Giants obviously don't want to
Speaker 1: use that word. I agree with with Andy Baggerly who said, hey,
Speaker 1: it's not a fire sale because they couldn't get rid
Speaker 1: of any of the bad contracts that they wanted to
Speaker 1: know or were open minded to probably a better way
Speaker 1: of saying it. And they didn't look to trade Logan
Speaker 1: Web or Jung Hulee. And so I think, you know, again,
Speaker 1: maybe we're mincing words there as to what it matters,
Speaker 1: but I think they tried to add a in essence,
Speaker 1: do the bare minimum right. They moved all the guys
Speaker 1: that were going to be free agents for pieces that
Speaker 1: fit into the future, and then they create opportunities for
Speaker 1: others to step in and be evaluated between now and
Speaker 1: the end of the regular season, and then they're going
Speaker 1: to look and see how close or far they are
Speaker 1: away from being able to build a team that can
Speaker 1: potentially be competitive if there is a two thousand and
Speaker 1: twenty seven season. So I think they're trying to thread
Speaker 1: a needle that might prove to be too difficult in
Speaker 1: terms of wanting to be competitive to the extent that
Speaker 1: they can next year, while also shuffling in a lot
Speaker 1: of ways based on not only the moves at the deadline,
Speaker 1: but the draft picks. Going back to the middle of
Speaker 1: July and the players that are already making their way
Speaker 1: up the Giants minor league system, in particular at the
Speaker 1: lower levels that are starting to come up, So that
Speaker 1: part screams rebuild. But I was having this conversation earlier
Speaker 1: in the week. You look at the lineup for next year,
Speaker 1: There's still gonna be a lot of veterans that are
Speaker 1: that are penciled in for next year. So I wouldn't
Speaker 1: call it a complete youth movement unless somebody really earns
Speaker 1: the opportunity here over the last two months.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean you're looking at this lineup right now
Speaker 4: and you expect to see Daniel Sussak back behind home
Speaker 4: plate next year and Jung Huli out in the alphiel.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it seems like he's Yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: think they know that. I don't think they know who
Speaker 1: their starting catcher is. Interesting.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we have both Kruk and Kipe on earlier this
Speaker 4: week and they said that they're looking at Daniel Sussack
Speaker 4: as the catcher of the future. Now, things can change
Speaker 4: pretty quickly. We saw how great Daniel Sussack was in
Speaker 4: his first twenty four at Bets. That led to the
Speaker 4: Patrick Bailey trade, then struggled a little bit with that
Speaker 4: elbow injury, but I thought he's looked pretty well behind
Speaker 4: him plays.
Speaker 1: I think that's I.
Speaker 4: Mean, I think it's fair to say that that's the
Speaker 4: plan right now. Yeah, Yeah, I'd say sussak in pencil
Speaker 4: as one of these players. You look at the players
Speaker 4: that are going to be written in with penn or Sharpie. Yeah,
Speaker 4: the guys you're stuck with, You're Rafael Devers, You're Willie
Speaker 4: Domas who has been dealing with that back injury all year.
Speaker 4: Matt Chapman, who you might not see back in the
Speaker 4: lineup again this year. Got some news yesterday before the
Speaker 4: game from Tony Vitello that Matt Chapman is flying out
Speaker 4: the Philadelphia not to be traded to the Phillies with
Speaker 4: Luisa Rise, but he's gonna go see a specialist and
Speaker 4: surgery is a possibility, and there's a chance that Matt
Speaker 4: Chapman doesn't play again this season. Kind Of a weird
Speaker 4: story there, with an injury that wasn't taken too serious
Speaker 4: at first, at least from our perspective. Now, it sounds
Speaker 4: like Matt Chapman might be shut down for the regular season,
Speaker 4: but of course, he's one of those three contracts that
Speaker 4: is stuck in sharpie in your lineup next year, moving
Speaker 4: forward and for the foreseeable future. So big picture, the
Speaker 4: point I'm making here is JD, You're still gonna have
Speaker 4: five or six guys from this year's current roster maybe
Speaker 4: in the lineup next year. It's about trying to fill
Speaker 4: out the remainder of the roster and figure out those
Speaker 4: pieces that you can move forward with.
Speaker 1: And I don't necessarily know that the Giants are gonna
Speaker 1: hand those roster spots for twenty twenty seven to younger players.
Speaker 1: Maybe they do. Maybe maybe there are a couple of
Speaker 1: players that they get a look at between now and
Speaker 1: over the final two months that that put themselves in
Speaker 1: the conversation, But I don't know among the young players.
Speaker 1: And I think you're probably right and everybody's probably right
Speaker 1: on Sussak. I mean, he'll get the opportunity, you know,
Speaker 1: probably at the beginning of next year in Eldridge, But
Speaker 1: that that still leaves I think, what two or three spots.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you want to, you want to go
Speaker 1: around the horn, I mean, they you know, it is
Speaker 1: Casey Schmidt just going to be the second basement next year.
Speaker 1: I don't think we know the answer to that question.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you pencil him in as a utility guy,
Speaker 4: but I'm not sure what position you're putting him at
Speaker 4: next year to start right.
Speaker 1: And he's he's a younger or a player kind of
Speaker 1: entering his prime that I produced, and I would say
Speaker 1: he did earn the opportunity to be put in penn somewhere.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and whether that's at second base or left field,
Speaker 4: which is kind of ironic after Elliott Ramos became the
Speaker 4: first man to start back to back seasons and left
Speaker 4: field since Barry Bonds, he gets shipped out and maybe
Speaker 4: there's a new streak starting up with a different left
Speaker 4: fielder every opening day.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I think if you pencil it out, I
Speaker 1: think it's fair. Like I said to put Sussack there,
Speaker 1: Dever's an Eldridge or first base DH right, we know
Speaker 1: that second base I feel like is an open spot
Speaker 1: and a question mark. Maybe it's Casey Schmidt, maybe it's not.
Speaker 1: I think Adamas and Chapman pencil at shortstop and third.
Speaker 1: Now maybe a Damas becomes second and you look at
Speaker 1: somebody else at shortstop there, maybe Casey Schmid's and left.
Speaker 1: All that being said, they do have I think three
Speaker 1: spots that are up for sure at second base and
Speaker 1: the outfield, and I think the center field, leftfield, centerfield.
Speaker 1: So it's and are those spots gonna go to young
Speaker 1: players next year? I don't think we necessarily know that.
Speaker 1: If the Giants are gonna be intent on trying to
Speaker 1: be as competitive as possible for next year.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think that's what the remainder of the
Speaker 4: season is all about, is seeing what you have. And
Speaker 4: I know there's gonna be some interesting decisions to be made,
Speaker 4: whether or not they do call it a guy like
Speaker 4: Bo Davidson and if they want to put him on
Speaker 4: the forty man roster, but that could also lead to
Speaker 4: some problems next year if there's a potential lockout. Gonna
Speaker 4: be an interesting strategy to see if they maybe want
Speaker 4: to keep some of these younger guys in the minor
Speaker 4: league system so that they don't have to deal with
Speaker 4: the effects of the lockout. But I think all options
Speaker 4: should be on the table, because after trading away six
Speaker 4: active players from your major league roster, that's what we're
Speaker 4: doing here, That's why we're still watching. That's why we're
Speaker 4: still paying attention, Like we've even got people checking in
Speaker 4: this morning on the text on saying look, guys, I
Speaker 4: don't really care about the results or what the Giants
Speaker 4: record is, but I was at least entertained last night
Speaker 4: and encouraged a little bit by seeing Basab hit his
Speaker 4: third home run in the last four games, or seeing
Speaker 4: Bryce Odridge come off the bench with that pinch hit
Speaker 4: knocked lefty on lefty, or maybe even seeing a flash
Speaker 4: of a blade. Tidwell or Carson wasn't on today. It's
Speaker 4: all about the future, and it feels like at least
Speaker 4: the Giants know which direction they're heading towards instead of
Speaker 4: being stuck in the middle and saying, hey, we might
Speaker 4: be competing for a wildcard spot. No, there was no
Speaker 4: questions asked about the direction of this franchise at this
Speaker 4: year's straight deadline.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that was the right call. Again, I think
Speaker 1: they handled that appropriately get given their situation, and we
Speaker 1: knew this. I mean they telegraphed it seven weeks out.
Speaker 1: I mean you can go back to the middle of
Speaker 1: June when it was basically Buster posey at that point,
Speaker 1: and I think the Giants were or fourteen under at
Speaker 1: that point, So it really acted in two different ways.
Speaker 1: The reporting on the Giants being willing to listen on
Speaker 1: the expensive, longer term contracts that they had signed, and
Speaker 1: at that point, obviously Devers was looking more disappointing than
Speaker 1: maybe he is now as it relates to his overall numbers.
Speaker 1: But I think them being open for business for that
Speaker 1: long was an admission even then that hey, this ain't
Speaker 1: it like this team this season? Ain't it? And that's
Speaker 1: the one thing we've seen from Buster Posey is a
Speaker 1: confidence in the willingness to pivot off of things that
Speaker 1: don't work, even bold moves that he's made that have
Speaker 1: kind of flamed out to this point. He has been
Speaker 1: unafraid to say look in the mirror and say this
Speaker 1: is not working. We have to try to go in
Speaker 1: a different direction.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's something that I was encouraged by listening
Speaker 4: to Buster Posey's press conference after the trade deadline. And
Speaker 4: we should remind everybody that it is Buster Posey week
Speaker 4: here on the Murphy Market Show. He'll be joining us
Speaker 4: tomorrow at seven thirty am on The Giants Executive Show.
Speaker 4: But at his press conference after the trade deadline, he
Speaker 4: was talking about the trade with Luisa Rise to the
Speaker 4: Philadelphia Phillies, and he mentioned the name Ramond Marquez is
Speaker 4: the top pitching prospect that they got back at this
Speaker 4: year's deadline, and he said, look, this is a guy
Speaker 4: that we've had an eye on for weeks, for months,
Speaker 4: We've kind of been scouting him out.
Speaker 1: And it's like, oh, well, that's good.
Speaker 4: That means that they've had this thought process of needing
Speaker 4: to go out and make these trades because they've been.
Speaker 1: So bad all season long.
Speaker 4: So I like that they've been kind of proactive in
Speaker 4: scouting out some of these prospects and trying to make
Speaker 4: some moves and trying to rebuild this farm system.
Speaker 1: Because Buster Posey for his flaws and his faults in some.
Speaker 4: Of these contracts that he's stuck with, he knows that
Speaker 4: the past success is homegrown talent in some of these
Speaker 4: younger prospects in the farm system, and that's why you
Speaker 4: got to rebuild it throughout the trade deadline, which is
Speaker 4: why we saw a guy like Blade Tedwill last night
Speaker 4: who came in a return package for Tyler Rodgers at
Speaker 4: last sure straight deadline.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and again, the appropriate moves and even if those
Speaker 1: moves created holes that were never filled for this year's
Speaker 1: roster and became a big part of the conversation. Obviously
Speaker 1: with moving on from Dovall and Rogers still the right
Speaker 1: move at the deadline, at least in my opinion, to
Speaker 1: move off of those guys and try to get younger
Speaker 1: and begin the reshuffling of the farm system, which I
Speaker 1: think was among the try and compete now goals. The big,
Speaker 1: big goal was to try to fix the farm system
Speaker 1: as he took over for far Anxiety.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and look, it's not apples to apples when you
Speaker 4: compare it to the forty nine ers right now, who
Speaker 4: have a lot of veterans but also a lot of
Speaker 4: young guys on their fifty three man roster. It's not
Speaker 4: like the Warriors and the two timeline plan. Like in
Speaker 4: baseball you need to have two timelines. You need to
Speaker 4: have three timelines, arguably because of the minor league system
Speaker 4: and seeing you're seventeen and eighteen year old and nineteen
Speaker 4: year old prospects and how they match up with a
Speaker 4: guy who's twenty one like Brezeldridge, but also a guy
Speaker 4: who's twenty nine like Logan Webb throwing a twenty seven
Speaker 4: year old Casey Schmid, a thirty three year old Mat
Speaker 4: Chapman or whatever he is. You've kind of got to
Speaker 4: mix and match your pieces more. You can't just go
Speaker 4: with one specific timeline.
Speaker 1: It does feel like a little like the Warriors with
Speaker 1: the two timeline thing. But I think you're spot on
Speaker 1: in terms of the fact that you got to give
Speaker 1: fans something to hope for as well. And you know,
Speaker 1: the future is Bright has kind of been the mantra
Speaker 1: for the Giants here based on I think, first and foremost,
Speaker 1: even going back to bringing Bryce Eldridge up at the
Speaker 1: beginning of May amid the first real hey, this team
Speaker 1: isn't what we thought it was gonna be, type of
Speaker 1: a moment through through April and coming off of that
Speaker 1: zero to six trip to Philly and Saint Petersburg. Hey,
Speaker 1: let's get Bryce Eldridge up. Future is bright. Hey, let's
Speaker 1: acknowledge the fact that there are a lot of really
Speaker 1: good young players that in a ball essentially that are
Speaker 1: gonna be you know, let's start focusing more on those
Speaker 1: guys and talking about how great they're doing and projecting
Speaker 1: where they may fit into the future equation. You've got
Speaker 1: that level of it and then you've got their draft,
Speaker 1: which was widely praised. And again I'm no expert, but
Speaker 1: those who are experts in that believe that the Giants
Speaker 1: did excellently in the players that they drafted, not only
Speaker 1: with Jackson Flora but others. And again you go pitching first,
Speaker 1: taking the number one pitcher on the board with the
Speaker 1: number four overall pick, and then you go to the
Speaker 1: deadline and to what extent were the Giants really going
Speaker 1: to look to do it. I know we had the
Speaker 1: debate for weeks about what do you look to move
Speaker 1: Logan Web. I think they could have turbocharged even what
Speaker 1: they did, but they, I think in some vein trying
Speaker 1: to have the best of all worlds, knowing they were
Speaker 1: still going to be stuck with certain players. Choosing to
Speaker 1: keep Web and choosing to keep Jung Hulee who have
Speaker 1: been productive players for them, and the style of player
Speaker 1: that I think they want on their rosters at their
Speaker 1: respective position. So there's a value in that, I get that,
Speaker 1: But then flipping the players that are free agents again
Speaker 1: kind of making the safe move in terms of the decision,
Speaker 1: but also by virtue of those who are experts far
Speaker 1: more than you or I getting a lot of prospects
Speaker 1: that project to come back and be factors. Now you
Speaker 1: never know, but it's something else. It's the third wave, essentially,
Speaker 1: the guys already in the system, the guys you just drafted,
Speaker 1: and now the guys you're getting back at the trade deadline.
Speaker 1: Three waves of sort of the future is bright, the
Speaker 1: future is bright. The future is bright. Let's sort of
Speaker 1: shift away from the disappointment of this team that we
Speaker 1: were all kind of talking playoffs about back on March
Speaker 1: twenty seven.
Speaker 4: Yeah, when we all thought this offense had the potential
Speaker 4: to maybe carry this team to the postseason. They're obviously
Speaker 4: not headed towards the postseason. But when you are looking
Speaker 4: at the first two years of bus or as bad
Speaker 4: as the record looks, the farm system looks so much better.
Speaker 4: And that goes back to this year's draft class, that
Speaker 4: goes to the trade deadline, that goes back to trading
Speaker 4: Patrick Bailey for tug Boke Wilkinson and also getting that
Speaker 4: twenty nine pick that they used on Carson Bowlman this year.
Speaker 4: And then you look at what they did in the
Speaker 4: international signings as well, with guys like Jos Joshu War
Speaker 4: Gonzalez and Luis Hernandez. The problem is those guys are
Speaker 4: seventeen and eighteen years old, so you're gonna have to
Speaker 4: wait a while to see some of these top prospects.
Speaker 4: Let's go ahead and check in with a few callers
Speaker 4: we got this morning. Vic in the Netherlands has a
Speaker 4: questions about the Giants' young prospects and the young talent
Speaker 4: within the organization.
Speaker 1: Vic, what's up, brother, You're on the Murphy Marc Show.
Speaker 6: Good morning, guys. I appreciate you taking my call. Yeah,
Speaker 6: I got a couple of questions about the farm system.
Speaker 6: We're mostly the directors, the executives within the player development.
Speaker 6: I'm not that familiar with who's running what, but it
Speaker 6: seems like a lot of farhands previous guys were promoted,
Speaker 6: I mean in the form of an Asian and Randy
Speaker 6: Win and so forth, and I'm kind of curious, are
Speaker 6: they the guys that really get the most out of
Speaker 6: these prospects. It seems pretty clear that the Giants are
Speaker 6: going ahead for a top five farm system by the
Speaker 6: Internet year, and can we rely on the same old
Speaker 6: guys to get the most out of these prospects or
Speaker 6: are we going to kind of ruin these guys, you know,
Speaker 6: in anticipation of twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 4: Yeah, vict it's a great question because, look, in the
Speaker 4: five six years that I've been on air now, I've
Speaker 4: talked about a lot of prospects. I've talked about Marco
Speaker 4: Luciano and Joey Bart, even Hayden Bird Songs and Landing
Speaker 4: Rubes and Kyle Harrison's and Carson Woods and Hunts, and look,
Speaker 4: you're never gonna have a one hundred percent hit rate
Speaker 4: on prospects, but it almost feels like you have to
Speaker 4: take the strategy of just stacking up as much talent
Speaker 4: as possible. Now to your question about development overall, I
Speaker 4: think that's still TBA or should I say TBD to
Speaker 4: be determined, Because we saw a guy like Kyle Harrison
Speaker 4: make his Giants debut, show some flashes, then he started
Speaker 4: to struggle, get shipped out to Boston, get shipped out
Speaker 4: to Milwaukee, and it seems like Milwaukee was able to
Speaker 4: develop him turning around, move his arm, angle down, move
Speaker 4: him to a different side of the mountain, and tweak
Speaker 4: some things. I don't know if we've had that much
Speaker 4: success from this Giants system. I mean, Bryce Eldridge is
Speaker 4: a perfect example. But Vic, that's also hard to maybe
Speaker 4: determine whether or not that's the Giants development or is
Speaker 4: that just Bryce Eldridge, the stud being that he is.
Speaker 6: I totally hear you. I guess my perspective is it
Speaker 6: seems like other organizations, especially winning organizations, seem more in
Speaker 6: our prospects after they leave our system. To some believe it,
Speaker 6: Ramos or the Yankees, clearly they see something with it.
Speaker 6: And maybe that's just a small park where he doesn't
Speaker 6: have to really play much defense in left field and
Speaker 6: you can just rake, But it always seems like we
Speaker 6: don't get that much out of our own prospects. And
Speaker 6: when the good ones leave, at least with this regime
Speaker 6: or the past far Handergem, they excel. And I'm kind
Speaker 6: of worried about his posey put the right guys in
Speaker 6: place to get the most out of these guys that
Speaker 6: were gonna let them. The Nations and so forth, just
Speaker 6: kind of moto some more of our prospects and I'm
Speaker 6: hoping not fingers crossed.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I'm with you. Vic, appreciate the call this morning.
Speaker 4: I think that's kind of the hope in strategy for
Speaker 4: the organization. And look I've had the same questions because
Speaker 4: you can go through recent draft classes for the Giants,
Speaker 4: going back over the last ten years, there haven't been
Speaker 4: a lot of hits. But you're hoping now that maybe
Speaker 4: things are different with a different approach, different strategy. With
Speaker 4: them drafting twelve pitchers with their twenty picks this year,
Speaker 4: it seems like they might be going a different strategy
Speaker 4: with contact first hitters, with Gavin Keelyn and Trevor Cohen,
Speaker 4: a couple guys they drafted a couple of years ago.
Speaker 4: At least, it feels like there's a little bit of
Speaker 4: a different shift than the strategy JV.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And the question is always going to be are
Speaker 1: you drafting the right Are you drafting the right guys
Speaker 1: versus the people that you have developing them? And I
Speaker 1: think to this point, for the most part, I don't
Speaker 1: think that Giants have drafted or signed the right guys,
Speaker 1: you know, in going back to the far Han era.
Speaker 1: But the one thing about players that are drafted in
Speaker 1: that era is there are a lot of teams around
Speaker 1: Major League Baseball that that similarly evaluate analytically, and so
Speaker 1: I think there are a lot of teams around baseball
Speaker 1: that look maybe more at some of the guys that
Speaker 1: far Han brought in and think that that they're aligned
Speaker 1: with certain ways that that they can be fixed, if
Speaker 1: that makes sense. So when you look at at say
Speaker 1: a Kyle Harrison in the like now ramosk goes even
Speaker 1: pre dates you know that that's back to Bobby Evans,
Speaker 1: that goes back to the Bobby Evans that even pre
Speaker 1: dates far Han. But I think for the Yankees it's just, hey,
Speaker 1: they needed another bat. They think his bat will play
Speaker 1: in Yankee Stadium, and they're they're ravaged by injuries as
Speaker 1: you know, so they just need people that, especially you know,
Speaker 1: right handed bats right now they can mash left handed pitching,
Speaker 1: which just something that Ramos has done well. I think
Speaker 1: in the grand scheme, teams view Ramos as a platoon
Speaker 1: player and not an every day player. I think that's
Speaker 1: sort of the rat on the table that hasn't really
Speaker 1: been talked about as much locally. Maybe you guys have
Speaker 1: talked about it. I think his view around baseball moving
Speaker 1: forward is Lefty masher part time player pitch hitter as
Speaker 1: opposed to every day starting left field. Yeah, I would
Speaker 1: agree with that take.
Speaker 4: I think he's eventually going to be a platoon guy
Speaker 4: once Aaron Judge and Cody Bellinger and those guys come
Speaker 4: back for the Yankees.
Speaker 1: Even next year.
Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe next year. I know Trent Grisham's going to
Speaker 4: be a free agency to move forward, but you look
Speaker 4: at that process, that plan. But also last thing I'll
Speaker 4: say before we move on, you look at the trades
Speaker 4: that the Giants were able to make at this year's
Speaker 4: trade deadline, bringing a guy like Marcelo Meyer coming over
Speaker 4: from the Boston Red Sox.
Speaker 1: That was a guy that was a top five draft
Speaker 1: pick just a couple of years ago.
Speaker 4: Last year was ranked ahead of Bryce Eldridge in the
Speaker 4: top one hundred prospects. Obviously, he has not had that
Speaker 4: instant success that Bryce Eltris has had, but he's one
Speaker 4: of those guys that maybe the Giants are trying to
Speaker 4: pluck away from a different organization, put him through their
Speaker 4: development process, and maybe they find something after being able
Speaker 4: to beat sellers at the trade deadline and flip Eric
Speaker 4: Miller a bullpen arm for a potential piece moving forward,
Speaker 4: a guy you could see potentially at second base this
Speaker 4: season once he recovers from injuries. But those are all
Speaker 4: topics that we can continue to discuss as the future
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Speaker 1: Their contenders for sure?
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Speaker 7: Don't think so?
Speaker 1: No, I'm just asking you.
Speaker 5: Last time they played quote three twenty point scores on
Speaker 5: the team, they said.
Speaker 1: It was unfair, which is the team I was in. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they got four twenty five point scores in the sea.
Speaker 1: So hell, y'all think it will be a contender.
Speaker 7: Man, that will be a great.
Speaker 1: Team to watch.
Speaker 4: Uh, Kevin Durant back in our lives and we are
Speaker 4: back again live on the Murph and Market Show on
Speaker 4: a Wednesday morning, John Dickinson filling in for the rest
Speaker 4: of the week for my man Brian Murphy. And I
Speaker 4: should tell you that you are listening to Canby r
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Speaker 4: given his take on the new wo look Philadelphia seventy
Speaker 4: six ers after making the signing of the offseason bringing
Speaker 4: in Lebron James, building a super team out East and
Speaker 4: now it feels like KD is almost taking shots at
Speaker 4: his former team and his former teammates now JD. This
Speaker 4: comes a couple weeks after Kevin Durant had comments about
Speaker 4: how he viewed the Warriors as an underdog franchise before
Speaker 4: he signed with them. This, of course, came after he
Speaker 4: blew a three to one lead against the Warriors and
Speaker 4: a season where the Warriors won more games during the
Speaker 4: regular season than anybody else in NBA history. We know
Speaker 4: how that season ended, and then what happened in twenty
Speaker 4: seventeen once Kevin Durant joined the roster, but now KD
Speaker 4: is I don't know if he's rewriting history to make
Speaker 4: himself look better or at least feel better. But trying
Speaker 4: to compare Lebron James joining the seventy six ers to
Speaker 4: the twenty seventeen Warriors team, JD, what was your take
Speaker 4: on Kevin Durant first of all, even comparing these two rosters,
Speaker 4: but also kind of taking some stray shots at Klay
Speaker 4: Thompson and Draymond Green throughout the process.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I I don't know what he's trying
Speaker 1: to do. I think he always is trying to come
Speaker 1: off as as keeping it a buck and being honest
Speaker 1: about everything. But he always One thing I noticed about
Speaker 1: him is going back to his press conferences and being
Speaker 1: in just about every one of them post game. Back
Speaker 1: in that KD era in the three years he was
Speaker 1: with the Warriors, he tends to always when he's asked
Speaker 1: a question, go with a contrary opinion. He just didn't
Speaker 1: like like you could. He was a type of guy
Speaker 1: that you know, do you think do you think coach
Speaker 1: wants wants you guys to do that?
Speaker 4: Now?
Speaker 1: I don't see it like he would always subtly say
Speaker 1: the opposite to almost any question that was asked. Uh
Speaker 1: And and so I'm not sure what he's getting at
Speaker 1: there in terms of, you know, trying to make himself
Speaker 1: feel better for joint the Warriors are comparing the two
Speaker 1: teams in essence that this Philly team on paper is
Speaker 1: better than that Warriors team from from twenty sixteen twenty seventeen,
Speaker 1: I mean the Warriors. Yeah, I think maybe he's got
Speaker 1: a point in terms of underdog franchise going back to then,
Speaker 1: but it's asinine and the other thought because they just
Speaker 1: won seventy three games coming off of a championship, And
Speaker 1: I do think it is a little bit disrespectful, not
Speaker 1: only to Steph, because like I mean, Steph was better
Speaker 1: than anybody by far on this this Philly team currently
Speaker 1: before Lebron obviously comes and joins, and we can, you know,
Speaker 1: we can debate that, but Steph then is a lot
Speaker 1: better than Lebron.
Speaker 4: Now, Steph was a unanimous MVP and as great as Lebron.
Speaker 4: James Courrier is isn't his forty now? And like even
Speaker 4: if you want to say, oh, Jowell Embiid was an MVP,
Speaker 4: not at the same level Steph Curry was.
Speaker 1: No question, not not at the same level as Steph
Speaker 1: Curry was. And I think Klay Thompson then is better
Speaker 1: than anybody that the Sixers have. Now I would agree.
Speaker 4: With that take, which is why Klay Thompson actually responded
Speaker 4: to this post, because when Kad was comparing these rosters,
Speaker 4: he said, it ain't even close. LMAO, that's laughing my
Speaker 4: ass off. He talks about the talent that the seventies
Speaker 4: that the seventy six ers have on the roster and
Speaker 4: then took a shot at Klay Thompson and say, Klay
Speaker 4: Thompson never won an MVP. Excuse me, Klay Thompson never
Speaker 4: an MVP candidate in nothing. And so Klay Thompson goes, hey, man,
Speaker 4: you good. Why are you using my full government name
Speaker 4: on social media? Why are you calling me out? And
Speaker 4: it feels like I'm not saying Kevin Durant is the
Speaker 4: one rewriting the history on Klay Thompson, but this younger
Speaker 4: generation of NBA fans who don't give Clay any respect
Speaker 4: as one of the best two way players in the
Speaker 4: league at that time, not only one of the best
Speaker 4: three point shooters. In the league.
Speaker 1: It feels like maybe Klay Thompson at this point.
Speaker 4: Is underrated in his career, because yeah, I don't know
Speaker 4: how you can say a guy like VJ. Edgecomb at
Speaker 4: this point is already better than a prime Klay Thompson.
Speaker 1: And I don't even think MAXI right now is better
Speaker 1: than a prime Clay Thompson. Jalen Brown, I think is
Speaker 1: debatable obviously at this point. I mean, but he's been
Speaker 1: in a similar fashion to Clay being the number two
Speaker 1: to Steph. Jalen Brown was at number two to Tatum,
Speaker 1: And yes, it gets skewed a little bit because Jalen
Speaker 1: Brown won the finals MVP, but Tatum was viewed as
Speaker 1: the one. And I think that's part of why things
Speaker 1: didn't work in Boston ultimately, was as Jalen Brown started
Speaker 1: to view himself as higher in the pecking order. I
Speaker 1: think the Celtics viewed it more as no, this isn't
Speaker 1: necessarily the one in one A. It's more of a
Speaker 1: one and two, and you're the two, which is why
Speaker 1: we're more comfortable moving on from you at this particular
Speaker 1: stage rather than continuing to pay you premier number one
Speaker 1: type money. Again, already done it they'd want to touch.
Speaker 1: So I think that's actually part of why they pivoted
Speaker 1: in Boston, is the fact that it's a little more
Speaker 1: clear cut internally than maybe it appears from the outside. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so like there was never that question with the Warriors. No,
Speaker 1: it was it was step back to back and unanimous
Speaker 1: the second time MVP. But Clay was not only one
Speaker 1: of the best twos in the league in terms of
Speaker 1: two guards, but he was the best two in terms
Speaker 1: of number two option in the league. Going back to that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I don't think the analytics ever had Klay
Speaker 4: Thompson as the seventh best player on the Warriors roster.
Speaker 4: Shout out the Boston Celtics analytics department that led to
Speaker 4: that Jalen Brown trade that led to Lebron James now
Speaker 4: joining the seventy six ers. And outside of these Katie comparisons,
Speaker 4: JD your comparison, Like, yes, Katie has a point that
Speaker 4: all these guys can average twenty points per game, but
Speaker 4: the game is more than just getting buckets. How are
Speaker 4: these guys going to mesh? I don't think they're all
Speaker 4: gonna score twenty points this year. Even Draymond Green said,
Speaker 4: like if I'm vj Edgecomb's agent. I'm not too happy
Speaker 4: about the season moving forward because my guys numbers are
Speaker 4: gonna go down, which is gonna cost him some cash.
Speaker 1: But I don't know JD.
Speaker 4: Your comparison ross to the roster, it feels like, even
Speaker 4: if you want to look at these teams on paper,
Speaker 4: the Warriors had much more depth than the seventy six
Speaker 4: Ers team is gonna have this year.
Speaker 1: I think they had more top end talent and they
Speaker 1: had more depth, And I think there is a question
Speaker 1: as to how all these players are going to fit
Speaker 1: together as great as they are individually, just from a
Speaker 1: cohesive standpoint, because I mean, the Warriors were a freaking unit,
Speaker 1: man like they and then they dropped KD into that
Speaker 1: thing and they were humbling Like I don't think there's
Speaker 1: much of a doubt that the Warriors team from that
Speaker 1: era is better than this Sixers team, given the age
Speaker 1: and given what the players on Philadelphia have accomplished to
Speaker 1: this point in their careers. For some the younger guys
Speaker 1: Maxi and Edgecumbe, and the fact that Embiid at this
Speaker 1: stage is a shell of the player that he once was.
Speaker 1: Like if if we're talking Embiid from you know, four
Speaker 1: or five, six years ago. Then I think difference the one.
Speaker 1: I think we're having a little bit of a of
Speaker 1: a different conversation. But I think KD is failing to
Speaker 1: account for that now. I think he's looking at name
Speaker 1: talent and and I think he's he's having it both ways.
Speaker 1: He's treating it in his mind as if it's the
Speaker 1: old Embiid and the old Lebron, right, meaning the younger
Speaker 1: Embiid and the younger Lebron. But also he's giving the
Speaker 1: benefit of the doubt to Maxi and Edgecombe as as
Speaker 1: like play of the rise, they will be trying to
Speaker 1: be So he's trying to have his cake and eat
Speaker 1: it too. Uh And and I don't know, I mean,
Speaker 1: there's just there is. He just continued to feel some
Speaker 1: kind of way about his time with the Warriors, and
Speaker 1: it never, it never, in his mind, my take, lived
Speaker 1: up to what he thought it was going to be
Speaker 1: in terms of the accolade aids personally, in terms of
Speaker 1: just the feeling that I think he was going to
Speaker 1: get from winning a championship. I know I've said this
Speaker 1: a lot, and look, nobody fully knows what's going on.
Speaker 1: In another man's head. But I always got the impression
Speaker 1: that KD he he just at his core he wants
Speaker 1: to hoop. And I think he loved the way the
Speaker 1: Warriors played basketball, and he thought, hey, I'm a I'm
Speaker 1: a guy that has to be a carrier and do
Speaker 1: it in my own way, but I can fit into
Speaker 1: this system beautifully and just hoop with great ballers in
Speaker 1: their prime. We're gonna win. I'm gonna get that title,
Speaker 1: and I'm going to get to experience how that feels
Speaker 1: to get over that hump. And I think when he
Speaker 1: experienced it, he looked back and it didn't. It didn't.
Speaker 1: It didn't fulfill him in the ways that I think
Speaker 1: he thought it was going to fulfill him. And then
Speaker 1: I think he also thought that maybe he wasn't getting
Speaker 1: enough credit for helping to put those two teams that
Speaker 1: won the titles over the top. And I think that
Speaker 1: led to, you know what, I got crushed for this.
Speaker 1: The the feeling, the joy of winning the title really
Speaker 1: wasn't what it was all cracked up to be. So
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna go look to ball with my buddies
Speaker 1: in another town.
Speaker 4: He was trying to have his cupcake and eat it too.
Speaker 4: And he's after being nicknamed a cupcake for leaving OKAC
Speaker 4: like he's already always been a little sensitive to the
Speaker 4: outside noise. That's why he was famously on burner accounts,
Speaker 4: and even Draymond Green yesterday on social media said Slim
Speaker 4: thought he was on a burner account. Maybe Katie accidentally
Speaker 4: posted this quote, but regardless, I think you're right. He
Speaker 4: wanted the credit of winning a championship and being a
Speaker 4: Finals MVP, but he also wanted to be the lead horse,
Speaker 4: and it feels like he doesn't get a lot of
Speaker 4: that credit because of what the Warriors established before he
Speaker 4: joined the team, no doubt, and.
Speaker 1: I think that was something that annoyed him as time
Speaker 1: went on and ultimately led to him leaving. I also
Speaker 1: go back to I think he came in and really
Speaker 1: appreciated initially the Warriors culture and the selflessness. And I
Speaker 1: think this is not a state thing, but I think
Speaker 1: he loves playing with, love playing with Steph, loved how
Speaker 1: genuine Steph was as a superstar but also as a human,
Speaker 1: just kind of being up close with him. But I
Speaker 1: also think as time went on, he began to think
Speaker 1: that the Warriors culture was kind of kind of fake,
Speaker 1: like like it was like Steph was at it, but
Speaker 1: like the rest of it was kind of concocted or revised.
Speaker 1: And again I'm not saying he's right, but I think
Speaker 1: that's what his view of it was. And so it
Speaker 1: just kind of got less and less like something he
Speaker 1: wanted to be a part of.
Speaker 4: Ye things got kind of weird at the championship parade
Speaker 4: with Bob myersk and his comments about Steph Curry and
Speaker 4: his contract and how Katie had to earn it, and
Speaker 4: then things got weird and it led to Marcus Thompson said, man,
Speaker 4: Katie l Katie left, and it sounds like there's not
Speaker 4: going to be a reunion anytime soon, but we will
Speaker 4: have a family reunion coming up next because it is
Speaker 4: time for the wide world of Wall Wall get all
Speaker 4: the toughest questions in the sports world. Before we talked
Speaker 4: to Mike Kruc, who had seven thirty, a little forty
Speaker 4: nine er talk with Matt Barrows at eight fifteen, and
Speaker 4: Blade Tidwell, who got his first Giant start last night
Speaker 4: at nine fifteen. This morning, all coming up here on
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