Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George
Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Ketty.
Speaker 2: I'm strong and Katty and he Armstrong and Eddy.
Speaker 3: Was all going to boil down to battle of the
Speaker 3: experts because, as stated earlier, Lindsey Clancy's defense team is
Speaker 3: not disputing that she actually took the life away of
Speaker 3: the three kids. What they're arguing is that she didn't
Speaker 3: have the criminal responsibility, the ability to acknowledge what she
Speaker 3: was doing was wrong because of her psychosis.
Speaker 2: I forgot what we were doing. We're talking about this
Speaker 2: after that clip. Yeah, we got into this a lot
Speaker 2: on Friday, and I would imagine if you follow news,
Speaker 2: you're aware of this story and it has become so
Speaker 2: interesting on so many different levels. And we're going to
Speaker 2: specifically get into the MAMO sphere coming out in support
Speaker 2: of this woman who killed her three kids. And is
Speaker 2: that a cultural change from previous stories like this over
Speaker 2: the years, where I mean, the mom in question would
Speaker 2: just get vilified like Susan Smith who famously drowned her
Speaker 2: kids in the car, put him in the car, strapped
Speaker 2: him in, rolled the car into the lake, and drowned them. Man,
Speaker 2: I don't remember anybody coming to our hert offense. And
Speaker 2: like I was said on Friday, to my mind, you're
Speaker 2: you're by definition crazy if you can kill your own kids,
Speaker 2: since beasts have one biological goal and that's to have
Speaker 2: offspring and you know, pro create and have them pro create,
Speaker 2: So you know where you become crazy? Now, I don't know,
Speaker 2: I have no IDEA quick note.
Speaker 4: Portlanders might remember the case of Amanda Stott Smith, who
Speaker 4: threw two of her three children from Portland's Sellwood Bridge
Speaker 4: in two thousand and nine. Similar case. Yeah, yeah, horrible.
Speaker 4: I don't know what angle of this you want to take.
Speaker 2: The Let's hear the rest of this report because we're
Speaker 2: at the point of the trial where it's probably going
Speaker 2: to go to the jury this week. But here we go.
Speaker 3: The defense has strong evidence on their side because there's
Speaker 3: a documented history of her trying to get mental health services.
Speaker 3: She went to the emergency room, she went to the hospital,
Speaker 3: she went to different therapists, she went to different doctors.
Speaker 3: In terms of the pros and constant, prosecution has timing
Speaker 3: on their side because when her husband had left the
Speaker 3: house to go to the CBS and to pick up
Speaker 3: the food. There was about fifty four minutes where Lindsey
Speaker 3: was inside of that home.
Speaker 2: I think it's really interesting that they use it as
Speaker 2: she can't be crazy because she sent her husband on
Speaker 2: a couple of errands that she had calculated would be
Speaker 2: long enough for her to kill the kids. I don't
Speaker 2: understand why that proves you're not crazy.
Speaker 5: I don't think it does.
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to argue that she is crazy and
Speaker 2: she'd get some sort of cush treatment. I don't have
Speaker 2: the slightest idea. I didn't listen to the whole trial,
Speaker 2: but I don't get why that a crazy person couldn't
Speaker 2: possibly add up how much time it takes to go
Speaker 2: to I think CBS in.
Speaker 4: The grocery store right right, Well, if she decided for
Speaker 4: whatever nutty and I don't want to use I almost
Speaker 4: use the term psychotic, but that's the actual medical thing.
Speaker 4: But anyway, if she decided, for whatever crazy reason, the
Speaker 4: kids needed to die, that doesn't mean she wouldn't recognize
Speaker 4: how to do it might involve her husband being out
Speaker 4: of the house. I mean it's and I read this
Speaker 4: great thing piece. It's way too long to share on
Speaker 4: the air, but the point of it, and it was
Speaker 4: a woman who writes crime novels, and she talks about
Speaker 4: herself and how and also a friend who's a journalist
Speaker 4: who writes about crime from the other direction and how
Speaker 4: they both agree virtually every killing makes sense to the
Speaker 4: killer at the time, that they do it for whatever
Speaker 4: reason and whatever brand of that's a horrible idea, but
Speaker 4: you decided you were going to do it anyway. We're
Speaker 4: dealing with here, and that it's a very very dangerous
Speaker 4: thing if a society gets a little too generous with
Speaker 4: the you know, essentially what you kind of hinted at,
Speaker 4: that it's so crazy to kill your kids. They can't
Speaker 4: be held responsible for killing their kids. I was definitely
Speaker 4: not making the argument that they're not responsible, but not
Speaker 4: the argument right to me, I don't here's certainly not
Speaker 4: normal if you can kill your old kids, see, something
Speaker 4: has gone wrong.
Speaker 2: But that I've never heard that before. That's really interesting. Obviously,
Speaker 2: every murder, whether it's I was enraged because he was
Speaker 2: in bed with my wife, or I wanted to take
Speaker 2: their car or whatever it is, there was a reason
Speaker 2: at the moment.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And she.
Speaker 4: Writes about that there's a difference between understanding and exoneration
Speaker 4: between a reason and an excuse. When you're talking about
Speaker 4: the functioning of the human mind, now you're into real guesswork.
Speaker 2: And then there's just the as a society, what do
Speaker 2: we want to do with the sort of person who's
Speaker 2: capable of killing their own children. If they're capable of
Speaker 2: killing their own children, they would seem to me to
Speaker 2: be capable of killing anybody or doing anything. Maybe do
Speaker 2: you want them out in society? I think the argument
Speaker 2: in Katie, feel free to jump in here. The argument
Speaker 2: would be, well, it's a temporary severe mental illness caused.
Speaker 4: By postpartum psychochemist. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: You had anything to say, Katie before I get this
Speaker 2: about the women coming to her support.
Speaker 5: Not really.
Speaker 6: I mean, the only thing that I can think of
Speaker 6: is the ps psychosis that is currently talked about due
Speaker 6: to insomnia. I can see how that could like drive
Speaker 6: you nuts, but I still don't see how it leads
Speaker 6: to this.
Speaker 2: So we talked Friday on how there were three hundred
Speaker 2: women outside the courtroom in pink shirts in support of
Speaker 2: this mom who killed her own kids. Basically with the
Speaker 2: hey being a mom's really really hard. I got really
Speaker 2: depressed too, and then it's hard to get the kind
Speaker 2: of mental health care you want. And that's the real
Speaker 2: thing which is interesting. So this free Press article by
Speaker 2: Kara Kennedy, it might be saying some of the things
Speaker 2: you've been yelling at the radio every time we bring
Speaker 2: up the women in support the moms of TikTok have
Speaker 2: gone insane. We've been telling women for decades that motherhood
Speaker 2: is one of the worst things that can happen to them.
Speaker 2: So it is in any surprise that so many moms
Speaker 2: now see child killing mom Lindsay Clancy as a martyr.
Speaker 2: I didn't know all of these things were going on. Struggling,
Speaker 2: sleep deprived moms are propping up their phones in their bathroom,
Speaker 2: hitting the record button and throwing ice at it while
Speaker 2: screaming for an entire minute. Instead of having a screaming
Speaker 2: match with my toddler, one mom wrote in a social
Speaker 2: media post, I throw ice into my tub. It allows
Speaker 2: me to feel angry without being destructive. Moms are also
Speaker 2: setting up ring lights to film themselves hysterically sobbing in
Speaker 2: front of their small children. He ain't good for the
Speaker 2: kid if you can avoid it. Others are filming their
Speaker 2: crying babies with the caption me too, Lindsey, what My God,
Speaker 2: in solidarity with Lindsay Clancy, the Massachute's mom who strangled
Speaker 2: at her kids, ages five, three and eight months, one at.
Speaker 5: A time, and that takes a minute.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm also taking a little bit of an issue
Speaker 7: with the not having the resources argument, because when you're
Speaker 7: in the hospital, they send someone to kind of debrief
Speaker 7: you on, hey, this can happen, here's what you do
Speaker 7: when it if it does happen, and there, I mean,
Speaker 7: you google it, and there's hotlines everywhere you can call
Speaker 7: that free counseling.
Speaker 2: So I don't really see the argument that we you
Speaker 2: can't get help. Yeah. I'm not arguing for any side
Speaker 2: on this. I didn't follow the trial, but actually, crazy
Speaker 2: people don't have the wherewith all abilities to seek to
Speaker 2: get this help. That's one of the problems with it.
Speaker 2: It can be all over the place and easily gotten,
Speaker 2: but if you're really crazy, you're not really in the
Speaker 2: best position to figure out how who to call and
Speaker 2: who to google and all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 4: But right if there's an element of paranoia and your problem,
Speaker 4: you're certain that those people are out to get you.
Speaker 5: They're part of the cabal.
Speaker 2: Yeah, true, right, because she her claim is that she
Speaker 2: was hearing voices saying she needed to kill her children
Speaker 2: to protect them from demons or something like that, like
Speaker 2: she was doing a good for them thing for them
Speaker 2: they would be in protected and heaven away from the demons.
Speaker 2: Yet and you can't trust to help professionals, so then yeah,
Speaker 2: you get into a difficult situation. Anyway, back to the
Speaker 2: free press thing here, the brain rot has spread like
Speaker 2: wildfire is the algorithms made sure it would, and in
Speaker 2: the mamo sphere, the network of TikTok moms and mommy
Speaker 2: influencers and mom bloggers, it has almost been universally embraced
Speaker 2: as a healthy, liberating way for mothers to exhibit their rage,
Speaker 2: not the killing, but all this other weird stuff. Part
Speaker 2: of this comes from how Clancy's case has been understood
Speaker 2: or defense argues that she was in the grips of
Speaker 2: postpartum psychosis at the time of the killings, and has
Speaker 2: pointed to the many medications prescribed to the moms of TikTok.
Speaker 2: An overwhelmed and over medicated mom practically begging for help
Speaker 2: is something maybe an extreme version of what they see
Speaker 2: in the mirror every day, which is why Clancy has
Speaker 2: been claimed as a martyr rather than a monster who
Speaker 2: acts as a cautionary tale.
Speaker 4: Most human beings, and it's taken me a long time
Speaker 4: to understand this and come to terms with it. Most
Speaker 4: human beings are irrational, and I think a lot of
Speaker 4: this stuff is just a directional signal. Being a new
Speaker 4: mom is extremely difficult. It's very tiring. It's driving me
Speaker 4: quote unquote. Therefore, this is the ultimate example of this.
Speaker 4: I'm going to support this woman because directionally it's it
Speaker 4: implies I need more sympathy.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Well, Katie's in the couldn't be in
Speaker 2: a better position, obviously to comment on this as a woman,
Speaker 2: as a mom, as a new mom. Where are you
Speaker 2: and your friends on this? I feel like off just
Speaker 2: guessing off the top of my head. While the three
Speaker 2: hundred moms in the pink shirts and support and all
Speaker 2: the TikTok moms are getting a lot of the attention,
Speaker 2: I'm thinking it's I'm just guessing. It's like eighty twenty
Speaker 2: ninety ten, lock her up forever.
Speaker 6: All three of my friends who have had a baby
Speaker 6: within the last year are lock her up forever because
Speaker 6: oh sorry, well no, just because you know, I know
Speaker 6: that when we talk about having resources and whatnot. This
Speaker 6: didn't just punch her in the face. This progressively happened.
Speaker 6: And you know, I, I don't know. This whole thing
Speaker 6: is so ugly, but yeah, new moms that I know
Speaker 6: are I will not with it.
Speaker 2: I'll bet, I'll bet it's overwhelmingly lock that be up
Speaker 2: forever as opposed to.
Speaker 5: I would guess.
Speaker 4: So yeah, yeah, well from a societal point of view too.
Speaker 4: And you know, given that we're still at the infancy
Speaker 4: no pun intended of understanding mental illness honestly as a species,
Speaker 4: with all due respect to the mysteries and horrors of
Speaker 4: severe mental illness, as a society, if we establish a
Speaker 4: president precedent that if you make a pretty good case
Speaker 4: that you are not in your right mind and you
Speaker 4: get away with snuffing your three children, that just that
Speaker 4: does not put us in a very good place at all.
Speaker 4: You know, I'm not one of those. If if it
Speaker 4: saves even one child, you know, well let's change all
Speaker 4: of society. That's not the way societies work. But if
Speaker 4: this woman must be hm mm, sachkrifeist judged unfairly because
Speaker 4: she actually was out of.
Speaker 2: Her minder toward one direction over the other.
Speaker 4: Exactly to protect the potentially thousands of kids whose fathers, mothers,
Speaker 4: care givers loses their temper and thinks that woman did it,
Speaker 4: I can.
Speaker 5: Even if it's like three to one, that's way too many.
Speaker 4: If people think, yeah's that is within the Overton window
Speaker 4: of I'm at the end of my rope.
Speaker 5: It's just too dangerous.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we kind of have to have a hard no
Speaker 2: on that behavior.
Speaker 4: And is it a horrifying tragedy If this woman actually
Speaker 4: could not help herself, or all those drugs had attributed
Speaker 4: to the killing her feelings or whatever, that would be,
Speaker 4: that's I weep for her, I really do. On the
Speaker 4: other hand, we can't establish the precedent.
Speaker 2: There's another interesting angle to this that kind of gets
Speaker 2: into the just the nature of social media and algorithms
Speaker 2: and all that sort of stuff that I'd like to
Speaker 2: mention from the Free Press article. But if you have
Speaker 2: any comments on this conversation, hit us on the text
Speaker 2: line during this break four one five two nine five kftc.
Speaker 1: Armstrong he thee Armstrong and Getty shirt.
Speaker 2: So we're talking about the mama killed her kids, and
Speaker 2: the trial is going on and it might go to
Speaker 2: the jury this week, and that verdict is gonna be
Speaker 2: damned interesting. I'll tell you that we got some texts
Speaker 2: about that before I get to do some more of
Speaker 2: that free press piece standing up for all you women
Speaker 2: and men out there who aren't supporting the crazy mom
Speaker 2: and saying I can sympathize with her. You're more in
Speaker 2: the locker up forever she killed her kids. Camp got
Speaker 2: this kind of from the who done it? Or how
Speaker 2: is she guilty or not?
Speaker 6: World?
Speaker 2: I understand, uh, the three poor kids that she killed,
Speaker 2: But why do you think she didn't kill her husband?
Speaker 2: Nobody brings that up? Would you be completely crazy kill
Speaker 2: your kids? I mean, would you not be crazy kill
Speaker 2: your kids? Not have an excuse for why you did?
Speaker 2: Your husband's still a lot? I mean, how did you
Speaker 2: You didn't think there's no getting away with this?
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 2: That almost makes you seem crazy, Okay. I just in
Speaker 2: terms of a plot, I can't stand being a mom.
Speaker 2: I want to kill my kids. You you weren't going
Speaker 2: to get away with it, so you were some level
Speaker 2: of something. Oh the dad the husband. We talked about
Speaker 2: this while you were gone. I want you to weigh
Speaker 2: in on this. The husband seems like a crazy dude.
Speaker 2: This textor said, never cried during testimony, remarried four months
Speaker 2: after the killings, and had many indications of some evils.
Speaker 2: I don't know about that last part, but.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I thought it was interesting. I came across the
Speaker 4: information that the she's innocent camp. Well, there are two camps.
Speaker 4: There's the postpartum psychosis, too many medications camp, and then
Speaker 4: there's the lies, lies lies. The husband did it. The
Speaker 4: husband framed her right and was gasoling into a false confession.
Speaker 5: And I like this.
Speaker 4: One gets the sense that people are desperate to make
Speaker 4: sense of what happened, but only so long as the
Speaker 4: answers are tidy and satisfying. For the true crimeers. That
Speaker 4: means turning a grotesque tragedy into an exciting mystery, along
Speaker 4: with the self flattering satisfaction of having figured it all
Speaker 4: out and sticking it to the patriarchy while doing it.
Speaker 5: I thought that was a pretty good description.
Speaker 2: Standing up well. And my my take on Friday was
Speaker 2: he remarried four months after his ex wife killed all
Speaker 2: three of their kids, you'd be nuts, you'd be you'd
Speaker 2: be in a state of like you can't.
Speaker 4: You might make some bad decisions. She might make some
Speaker 4: really rash, weird decisions.
Speaker 2: If that happened.
Speaker 4: If I was a cold blooded psychopath who murdered my
Speaker 4: children and framed my wife for it, the last freaking
Speaker 4: thing I would do is draw attention to myself by
Speaker 4: getting married. You know, is this some sort of period
Speaker 4: in our history where he couldn't sex up his lover
Speaker 4: without marrying her, so he did it publicly.
Speaker 2: Come on, My guess would be he really knew his
Speaker 2: wife was struggling, didn't know what to how to handle it,
Speaker 2: and then this happened, and it's, oh my god, I
Speaker 2: can't imagine living in his head. We did disc his
Speaker 2: text from the world of struggling, talking about their son
Speaker 2: and how hard it was to get help, and their
Speaker 2: son talked about killing themselves all the time, and they
Speaker 2: go all these mental health professions and hasn't come up
Speaker 2: with an actual plan, so you don't qualify for fifty
Speaker 2: one fifty and blah blah blah. And it went on
Speaker 2: for many months until he finally did it. I have
Speaker 2: lived in this world. It is not as easy as
Speaker 2: it sounds to get help, but I want to get
Speaker 2: this on. So this Free Press article about brings up
Speaker 2: the manosphere and how if somebody in the manosphere talked
Speaker 2: about talked this way, people would beating them up. But
Speaker 2: their main point was for quite a few years now,
Speaker 2: women have been talking about the manosphere and how awful
Speaker 2: men and everything like that. Clearly there is a mamosphere
Speaker 2: out there where we've gone nuts. Also in the manosphere,
Speaker 2: the hyper online realm populated by in cells, lost boys
Speaker 2: and rageful misogynists, is selling disillusioned men the performance of strength.
Speaker 2: The mama sphere mamosphere is selling their counterparts the performance
Speaker 2: of suffering. And I think that is true. It's so
Speaker 2: hard to be us. We can justify anything.
Speaker 5: In a related story. There's a related story.
Speaker 1: Coming up, Armstrong and Getty, the Armstrong and Getty shirt.
Speaker 2: I'm not getting paid to say this. I rarely say
Speaker 2: things I don't get paid to say. If you're not
Speaker 2: reading the Free Press, if you're not a subscriber, you
Speaker 2: were missing out on maybe the best journalism that this
Speaker 2: on earth. It is so flipping good. It's stunning to me.
Speaker 2: Every day there's stuff that's like, Wow, I didn't think
Speaker 2: of that, or that that's that is a topic written
Speaker 2: about in a better way than I've ever heard, etc.
Speaker 2: Including on this one about the mamosphere in the way
Speaker 2: it has risen up in suupport of this clancy woman
Speaker 2: who killed her kids.
Speaker 5: Human beings cannot endure the Internet.
Speaker 2: No, my takeaway from this article is we're all going crazy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I really should write an article about this, an editorial,
Speaker 4: but I think I'll work on my golf swing instead
Speaker 4: this afternoon.
Speaker 2: You got a putting situation to deal with exactly.
Speaker 4: Actually that's the only thing I do right, But anyway,
Speaker 4: it's here's the very very short version of it, and
Speaker 4: I'm working on perfecting this idea.
Speaker 5: Human beings for our entire history had a.
Speaker 4: Filter system for ideas, both outgoing and incoming. And I
Speaker 4: might have some crazy ass idea. I would try it
Speaker 4: out on a handful of people, and I'd get like
Speaker 4: a sympathetic interesting from one person an outright rejection from
Speaker 4: the next seven, and I would say to myself, maybe
Speaker 4: that idea isn't so good. And likewise, incoming ideas, how
Speaker 4: am I going to know? If there's somebody who lives
Speaker 4: eighteen hundred miles away who also thinks my crazy ass
Speaker 4: idea is just cool, And how would I become aware
Speaker 4: that whatever, there are people who like child porn or
Speaker 4: Nazism or you know, they're whatever stupid corrosive socialism ideas
Speaker 4: out there, although that one's been more comfortable in history
Speaker 4: because it's the greatest scam that's ever been trying.
Speaker 2: Or I think the idea of killing your kids is
Speaker 2: a reasonable reaction to the difficulty of parenthood.
Speaker 4: Or exactly, or even like we were talking about last segment,
Speaker 4: directionally being so desperate for somebody to give heed, to pay,
Speaker 4: to give respect to the idea that this is really,
Speaker 4: really hard and I'm suffering, that you would align yourself
Speaker 4: with somebody who strangled her three small children to death
Speaker 4: over the course of probably twelve to fifteen minutes, depending
Speaker 4: on which a forensic expert you talk to.
Speaker 5: It takes a minute to strangle.
Speaker 4: Someone to death, Well, it actually takes three to five
Speaker 4: minutes anyway, that's right, and so yeah, but again that's yeah,
Speaker 4: it's really hard being a mom. Therefore you're with this
Speaker 4: woman is the sort of idea that would get rejected
Speaker 4: over and over and over again until the Internet.
Speaker 2: Well, here's good news. Now you get to layer on
Speaker 2: AI where you don't even need to find the crazies
Speaker 2: somewhere in the world on the Internet. You can just
Speaker 2: go to AI and it will probably with its weird
Speaker 2: confirmation bias thing, start agreeing with you over time. I
Speaker 2: have more data on that later from an MIT report
Speaker 2: on how layer after let if you stay with it
Speaker 2: through like ten questions, it will eventually start agreeing with you,
Speaker 2: no matter your crazy idea.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I thought this was an interesting related story
Speaker 4: I've been sitting on for a little bit. I'm a psychiatrist.
Speaker 4: I'm hearing something new. Excuse me, little Bernie Sanders.
Speaker 5: Oh, that reminds me.
Speaker 4: We gotta play our Bernie Sanders montage coming up as hilarious.
Speaker 4: That's right, the oligachi. But the article is I'm a psychiatrist.
Speaker 4: I'm hearing something new from young women, and.
Speaker 5: She says, uh.
Speaker 4: Several years ago, I started noticing something new when teenage
Speaker 4: girls or young women came to my office for their
Speaker 4: first psychiatric sessions. Patients used to be used to dread
Speaker 4: being told that there was something, as they saw it,
Speaker 4: wrong with them. Now these young women were announcing their diagnoses,
Speaker 4: attention deficit, hyperactivity disorder, obsessive compulsive disorder, anxiety depression. Almost
Speaker 4: before telling me their names, they had researched their symptoms
Speaker 4: on Instagram. They'd taken TikTok quizzes about them, they had
Speaker 4: crossed indexed their conditions with those of their friends. It
Speaker 4: was everyone from gravelly voice film majors to ernest high
Speaker 4: school athletes, class presidents and girls who skipped school, girls
Speaker 4: who spend weekends in the Hamptons, and girls who had
Speaker 4: to work for their spending money. The patients of this
Speaker 4: new wave were talking in therapy speak, and their therapy
Speaker 4: hadn't even started.
Speaker 2: Wow, so they show up to the therapist saying, I'm whatever,
Speaker 2: and I don't know what you're wanting help at that point, So.
Speaker 5: Let's get started.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, And she says she struggled to suppress an
Speaker 4: inner eye roll at first. If you're a parent of
Speaker 4: an adolescent girl, you might have experienced your own version
Speaker 4: of these two reactions, either terror for your daughter's psychological
Speaker 4: wellbeing or alienation from the jargon. You might have even
Speaker 4: tried to convince your daughter that everything was fine. None
Speaker 4: of those responses sets us up to hear what the
Speaker 4: girls and young women are trying to say, and she says,
Speaker 4: essentially to barn expression, take it seriously but not literally.
Speaker 4: It's saying I'm unhappy, I'm stressed, I'm this, that or
Speaker 4: the other, and I'm more than a little acquainted with
Speaker 4: all of these phenomena.
Speaker 5: I'll just leave it at that.
Speaker 4: And she also gets into the fact that a lot
Speaker 4: of young women who are lonely in a way that's
Speaker 4: unique to the way men are lonely, whether as adolescents, teenagers,
Speaker 4: and young adults, whatever, they find a support community by
Speaker 4: saying I'm anxious, you're anxious. All of a sudden, they
Speaker 4: have support, they have friendship, they have caring voices, et cetera.
Speaker 4: And so, in our disconnected world, what's wrong with me
Speaker 4: has become an affinity group. So, boy, we're into some
Speaker 4: odd times.
Speaker 2: That's what that Free Press article is about. How the
Speaker 2: manosphere is about how men got to be super tough whatever,
Speaker 2: over the top, hyper masculine, and the momosphere seems to
Speaker 2: be we're all suffering so badly. The world is so difficult.
Speaker 2: I can barely get out of bed, you too, I
Speaker 2: can barely get out of bed too. You can get
Speaker 2: out of bed. I haven't gotten out of bed. You
Speaker 2: know whatever. You're like one uping each other on how
Speaker 2: frail you.
Speaker 4: Are, right, beleaguered? Yeah yeah, humans cannot survive the Internet.
Speaker 2: No oh no, clearly not especially with AI.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, yeah, you know.
Speaker 4: My question, I guess boils down to what the f
Speaker 4: type of AI? S? I?
Speaker 2: What a type of A?
Speaker 5: Yeah? Yeah?
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Speaker 2: You want to get to Uh, I mean cause we're
Speaker 2: living in an oligarchy, and uh why everybody knows that
Speaker 2: which clip is that? What numbers in? What's funny about this?
Speaker 2: And you won't be able to tell by listening to it?
Speaker 2: Is it's a it's a it's like a grid they
Speaker 2: put up there, and it's all Bernie Sanders over many, many,
Speaker 2: many years, going all the way back to nineteen ninety three,
Speaker 2: the first year of Clinton being president, he's been saying
Speaker 2: it that long, claiming that we're just on the verge
Speaker 2: of this. Here's Bernie from ninety three till now.
Speaker 8: This great country of ours is moving very rapidly in
Speaker 8: the direction of oligaki.
Speaker 5: The United States of.
Speaker 8: America today is increasingly becoming.
Speaker 2: An oligaky and more moving for it.
Speaker 8: In oligaky, we are moving in the direction of Oligaky.
Speaker 8: We will move even more rapidly in the direction of
Speaker 8: an oligaky. This great country is evolving into an oligacky.
Speaker 2: Comes afraid of that society.
Speaker 8: It is called oligauky, and that is the system we
Speaker 8: are rapidly moving, Todd, This is a budget that very
Speaker 8: wrap our country rapidly into the direction of oligauky. A
Speaker 8: handful of billion ares are moving this entire planet toward
Speaker 8: andis society. Start off with the bad news, which is
Speaker 8: pretty bad, and that is that under Donald Trump, this
Speaker 8: country is hurtling rapidly toward oligon My.
Speaker 5: God said, you can't say rapidly for thirty three years.
Speaker 4: That's just I don't you know, to quote the the priceless,
Speaker 4: the Princess Bride, I don't think that word means what
Speaker 4: you think it does.
Speaker 8: I'm sorry, I just didn't know.
Speaker 2: So it was the first year Clinton's presidency, who had
Speaker 2: two terms yes, then two terms of Bush, Yes, two
Speaker 2: terms of Obama, a term of Trump, a term of Biden,
Speaker 2: now another term Trump, all of those years with this close.
Speaker 4: To an oligaky, moving rapidly, and I like when he'd
Speaker 4: announce it like it's news.
Speaker 9: I have bad news we're of becoming an oligarchy. Does
Speaker 9: he does he know he's doing that?
Speaker 5: Note to self, use the word rapidly more. That's a
Speaker 5: good word. I'll go with quickly, fast, but not rapidly.
Speaker 2: We are rapidly becoming an oligacky I liked back in
Speaker 2: the day before he had the flum in the back
Speaker 2: of his throat. I'm Bernie Sanders, and we're rapidly becoming
Speaker 2: an oligarchy. But within a couple of years our.
Speaker 5: Olicky.
Speaker 4: But it was always oligacky with his delightful Northeastern accent.
Speaker 5: Love it.
Speaker 2: So where's he from? Because they don't have that accent
Speaker 2: for Burlington, Vermont, they don't, I don't think so. I
Speaker 2: was there, I've been there.
Speaker 4: Isn't it just kind of a version of the Northeast?
Speaker 4: And yeah, that's right, lobstermen accent will nail it down,
Speaker 4: will nail down Bernie Sanders accent.
Speaker 5: No, we won't.
Speaker 2: Among other things. We'll get to. That's so good, that's
Speaker 2: just funny. For thirty plus years, I have bad news.
Speaker 2: I crunched the numbers. Were this close to an oligarchy.
Speaker 5: Not an oligarchy.
Speaker 10: Oh no, oh, removed on deliberately in that direction, would
Speaker 10: you say at a medium pacer, God help us rapidly, Bernie.
Speaker 2: Okay, I do have my AI thing, the confirmation bias
Speaker 2: problem that exists in AI. I took a shot at
Speaker 2: fixing that last night with really interesting results. In one
Speaker 2: chat that I was having, among other things, we can
Speaker 2: talk about stay here.
Speaker 1: The Armstrong and Getty s.
Speaker 2: America it does not deserve that?
Speaker 8: Which is.
Speaker 11: What was that?
Speaker 5: So that was chaos.
Speaker 4: That was Hassan Piker at a recent meeting saying all right,
Speaker 4: America didn't did not deserve nine to eleven, and the
Speaker 4: crowd booed, they're at the DSA gathering.
Speaker 2: Why did he temper that? Because I think that was
Speaker 2: the same gathering where he sang the funny song about
Speaker 2: how cool it was that Charlie Kirk is dead.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it could be.
Speaker 4: He's a maniac's tony grifter.
Speaker 2: I mean, I hate him because he's for all kinds
Speaker 2: of different reasons. I mean, the laughing song about Charlie
Speaker 2: Kirk being dead, who could do that and the crowd
Speaker 2: laughing and cheering along to it, that's where we are?
Speaker 5: That is awful.
Speaker 2: That was about as disgusting a thing as i've seen
Speaker 2: in modern politics.
Speaker 5: Just awful.
Speaker 2: And Charlie did lots of events together where they would
Speaker 2: debate and stuff like that, so he was actually knew
Speaker 2: the guy. Yeah, he's doing a parody song karaoke to Hey,
Speaker 2: Charlie Kirch is dead in the crowd, laughing along to it.
Speaker 2: Just unconsortable stuff.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's horrifying.
Speaker 4: I'm still torn as to whether he's an actual Marxist,
Speaker 4: is an an Islamist who's just trying to tear down
Speaker 4: the West by the portraying a Marxist. But what struck
Speaker 4: me I just came across another story about Hassan Piker,
Speaker 4: and this is in the wake of a number of
Speaker 4: things AOC laughing about how woke one was crazy one
Speaker 4: was crazy right, And then when Graham Platner was quite
Speaker 4: credibly accused of sexual assault, abuse of women, that sort
Speaker 4: of thing, the very women of the left who are
Speaker 4: championing hashtag me too and believe all women were suddenly
Speaker 4: making rationalizations and excuses for him, chucking those morals out
Speaker 4: the window as well.
Speaker 5: And it turns out now and it's funny.
Speaker 4: We just referenced this last week and talking to talking
Speaker 4: about AOC and even friends of ours who lost their
Speaker 4: careers because they did not tow the company progressive line perfectly.
Speaker 4: During the Woke Apocalypse, Hassan Piker regularly traffics in the
Speaker 4: N word. There's all sorts of tape of him dropping
Speaker 4: N bombs, both he and on his uncle. What's a Sinkwiger.
Speaker 4: He's got a woke podcast that's really big on the left,
Speaker 4: But there's N bombs flying all over the place, and
Speaker 4: not like my enna or discussing it in a academic sense,
Speaker 4: it's using the epithet. So if the left, these progressives
Speaker 4: come at you with a moral argument to try to
Speaker 4: hurt you, ruin you, shut you up. Look, you can
Speaker 4: handle it however you want, or maybe we can come
Speaker 4: up with, I don't know a handy dandy phrase to
Speaker 4: use when they do that for you. They have no morals,
Speaker 4: they don't mean it. They're just trying to cancel you
Speaker 4: and hurt you. You can rape, you can drop N
Speaker 4: bombs and there are a hundred examples of this. If
Speaker 4: you're on the left, let just remember that when they
Speaker 4: come at you.
Speaker 2: Hey, Michael, go ahead and play sixty three. This is
Speaker 2: a song Piker singing as Charlie Kirk's dead song Afraid Dude,
Speaker 2: and people are howling with laughter at the mocking the
Speaker 2: assassination of a political rival. That's not good.
Speaker 5: You know, do we have time for this?
Speaker 4: Yeah, Michael, uh. Believe people when they tell you what
Speaker 4: they're going to do. Sixty two.
Speaker 12: We have seen that the Democratic party established with that
Speaker 12: we have has to be ripped out. We can actually
Speaker 12: start to grab hold of the ship of state and
Speaker 12: steer it in our direction, but it's going to be
Speaker 12: a you know, violent process.
Speaker 13: Our country needs to change, and this Democratic Party needs
Speaker 13: to change. I was more than glad to go on
Speaker 13: Hassan's stream. This is we need as democrats. We need
Speaker 13: to go into these spaces.
Speaker 2: Israel has a plan of creating a greater Israel in
Speaker 2: the Middle East.
Speaker 11: And Eretz Israel would require Israel to expand quad quintuple
Speaker 11: its size by eating up half of Lebanon, parts of Iraq,
Speaker 11: parts of Egypt, most of Jordan, parts of Iran.
Speaker 14: It's not an accident that the same people that will
Speaker 14: take the APAC money take all the other money too,
Speaker 14: you know where they're mes each other like, oh, there's
Speaker 14: a war over here. Won't that be profitable for US,
Speaker 14: What if we started some instability over.
Speaker 13: There with APAC doesn't care about democracy. APAC cares about
Speaker 13: what APAC cares about, which is the corporate interest, the
Speaker 13: billionaire class and perpetuating this US colony in the Middle
Speaker 13: East that is only able to exist with our taxpayer support.
Speaker 2: So somehow I had missed that. That guy down in
Speaker 2: Georgia that's kind of emerged in the last couple of
Speaker 2: weeks with his speech he gave against Trump the other day.
Speaker 2: Remember we played a bunch of clips of it. What's
Speaker 2: his name the guy in Georgia tell me in my
Speaker 2: year Hinton? What whispered lovingly, awsoff, Oh yeah, he's Jewish.
Speaker 2: I missed that somehow. So he's got You know, you
Speaker 2: can bring all the game you want with your criticisms
Speaker 2: against Trump. That got so much attention and everybody was
Speaker 2: laughing at and it was very clever and all that
Speaker 2: sort of stuff. You ain't gonna get the nomination or
Speaker 2: be anything big in the Democratic Party right now because
Speaker 2: you're Jewish. You know, that's just a facts right, right right.
Speaker 4: So Anyway, multiple DSA types claiming that the process is
Speaker 4: going to be violent again, take them at their word
Speaker 4: and then real quickly, Oh, I wish we had more
Speaker 4: time for this. Maybe we can pay it off next hour.
Speaker 5: But the list of the.
Speaker 4: Heavyweights of New York City socialism and how rich they
Speaker 4: all are, I know that's something we've talked about before,
Speaker 4: but it's like, to a person, they're all trust fund
Speaker 4: rich kids.
Speaker 2: Yeah. That one girl that they call, well, she's got
Speaker 2: a funny Lulu Lenin, which is a pretty funny nickname
Speaker 2: for her.
Speaker 5: That's really fun.
Speaker 2: She's super crazy rich, like more rich than most of
Speaker 2: these people are, and she's hardcore the everybody has it's
Speaker 2: a government right to have housing and all that sort
Speaker 2: of stuff.
Speaker 14: Right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, we'll review some of these people next hour.
Speaker 4: It's amazing. And again it's like there aren't exceptions. They're
Speaker 4: all rich.
Speaker 2: Kids, including Osama bin Laden and in Castro and all
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