WEBVTT - Humans Cannot Survive The Internet 0:00:08.200 --> 0:00:12.480 Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George 0:00:12.520 --> 0:00:16.600 Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Ketty. 0:00:16.440 --> 0:00:23.759 I'm strong and Katty and he Armstrong and Eddy. 0:00:30.400 --> 0:00:32.960 Was all going to boil down to battle of the 0:00:33.040 --> 0:00:37.279 experts because, as stated earlier, Lindsey Clancy's defense team is 0:00:37.400 --> 0:00:40.839 not disputing that she actually took the life away of 0:00:40.880 --> 0:00:43.640 the three kids. What they're arguing is that she didn't 0:00:43.640 --> 0:00:47.600 have the criminal responsibility, the ability to acknowledge what she 0:00:47.800 --> 0:00:51.159 was doing was wrong because of her psychosis. 0:00:54.440 --> 0:00:58.160 I forgot what we were doing. We're talking about this 0:00:58.440 --> 0:01:01.440 after that clip. Yeah, we got into this a lot 0:01:01.480 --> 0:01:03.840 on Friday, and I would imagine if you follow news, 0:01:03.880 --> 0:01:06.319 you're aware of this story and it has become so 0:01:06.520 --> 0:01:09.440 interesting on so many different levels. And we're going to 0:01:09.480 --> 0:01:13.520 specifically get into the MAMO sphere coming out in support 0:01:13.720 --> 0:01:16.800 of this woman who killed her three kids. And is 0:01:16.840 --> 0:01:23.520 that a cultural change from previous stories like this over 0:01:23.560 --> 0:01:27.160 the years, where I mean, the mom in question would 0:01:27.160 --> 0:01:31.520 just get vilified like Susan Smith who famously drowned her 0:01:31.600 --> 0:01:33.240 kids in the car, put him in the car, strapped 0:01:33.280 --> 0:01:36.640 him in, rolled the car into the lake, and drowned them. Man, 0:01:36.680 --> 0:01:39.440 I don't remember anybody coming to our hert offense. And 0:01:39.480 --> 0:01:42.400 like I was said on Friday, to my mind, you're 0:01:43.080 --> 0:01:45.720 you're by definition crazy if you can kill your own kids, 0:01:45.720 --> 0:01:49.680 since beasts have one biological goal and that's to have 0:01:49.760 --> 0:01:53.559 offspring and you know, pro create and have them pro create, 0:01:53.880 --> 0:01:56.520 So you know where you become crazy? Now, I don't know, 0:01:56.640 --> 0:01:58.600 I have no IDEA quick note. 0:01:58.640 --> 0:02:02.560 Portlanders might remember the case of Amanda Stott Smith, who 0:02:03.080 --> 0:02:06.480 threw two of her three children from Portland's Sellwood Bridge 0:02:06.480 --> 0:02:11.880 in two thousand and nine. Similar case. Yeah, yeah, horrible. 0:02:13.120 --> 0:02:14.720 I don't know what angle of this you want to take. 0:02:14.760 --> 0:02:17.280 The Let's hear the rest of this report because we're 0:02:17.320 --> 0:02:20.640 at the point of the trial where it's probably going 0:02:20.720 --> 0:02:22.440 to go to the jury this week. But here we go. 0:02:22.680 --> 0:02:25.760 The defense has strong evidence on their side because there's 0:02:25.800 --> 0:02:31.320 a documented history of her trying to get mental health services. 0:02:31.400 --> 0:02:34.040 She went to the emergency room, she went to the hospital, 0:02:34.080 --> 0:02:36.960 she went to different therapists, she went to different doctors. 0:02:37.160 --> 0:02:40.720 In terms of the pros and constant, prosecution has timing 0:02:40.800 --> 0:02:43.760 on their side because when her husband had left the 0:02:43.840 --> 0:02:45.880 house to go to the CBS and to pick up 0:02:45.880 --> 0:02:48.960 the food. There was about fifty four minutes where Lindsey 0:02:49.120 --> 0:02:50.360 was inside of that home. 0:02:50.720 --> 0:02:53.079 I think it's really interesting that they use it as 0:02:53.120 --> 0:02:58.760 she can't be crazy because she sent her husband on 0:02:58.880 --> 0:03:01.440 a couple of errands that she had calculated would be 0:03:01.480 --> 0:03:03.200 long enough for her to kill the kids. I don't 0:03:03.240 --> 0:03:05.880 understand why that proves you're not crazy. 0:03:06.240 --> 0:03:07.120 I don't think it does. 0:03:07.240 --> 0:03:09.160 I'm not trying to argue that she is crazy and 0:03:09.160 --> 0:03:10.919 she'd get some sort of cush treatment. I don't have 0:03:10.960 --> 0:03:13.239 the slightest idea. I didn't listen to the whole trial, 0:03:15.000 --> 0:03:18.960 but I don't get why that a crazy person couldn't 0:03:18.960 --> 0:03:21.440 possibly add up how much time it takes to go 0:03:21.480 --> 0:03:23.919 to I think CBS in. 0:03:23.320 --> 0:03:28.320 The grocery store right right, Well, if she decided for 0:03:28.360 --> 0:03:31.280 whatever nutty and I don't want to use I almost 0:03:31.360 --> 0:03:34.160 use the term psychotic, but that's the actual medical thing. 0:03:34.200 --> 0:03:41.120 But anyway, if she decided, for whatever crazy reason, the 0:03:41.200 --> 0:03:45.720 kids needed to die, that doesn't mean she wouldn't recognize 0:03:46.000 --> 0:03:48.160 how to do it might involve her husband being out 0:03:48.200 --> 0:03:51.760 of the house. I mean it's and I read this 0:03:51.840 --> 0:03:53.680 great thing piece. It's way too long to share on 0:03:53.680 --> 0:03:55.200 the air, but the point of it, and it was 0:03:55.280 --> 0:03:59.840 a woman who writes crime novels, and she talks about 0:03:59.840 --> 0:04:05.040 herself and how and also a friend who's a journalist 0:04:05.360 --> 0:04:09.640 who writes about crime from the other direction and how 0:04:09.640 --> 0:04:14.120 they both agree virtually every killing makes sense to the 0:04:14.240 --> 0:04:18.880 killer at the time, that they do it for whatever 0:04:19.160 --> 0:04:22.640 reason and whatever brand of that's a horrible idea, but 0:04:22.680 --> 0:04:24.640 you decided you were going to do it anyway. We're 0:04:24.680 --> 0:04:29.440 dealing with here, and that it's a very very dangerous 0:04:29.480 --> 0:04:33.080 thing if a society gets a little too generous with 0:04:33.240 --> 0:04:37.520 the you know, essentially what you kind of hinted at, 0:04:37.560 --> 0:04:41.560 that it's so crazy to kill your kids. They can't 0:04:41.600 --> 0:04:44.520 be held responsible for killing their kids. I was definitely 0:04:44.560 --> 0:04:46.880 not making the argument that they're not responsible, but not 0:04:46.920 --> 0:04:49.720 the argument right to me, I don't here's certainly not 0:04:49.880 --> 0:04:52.400 normal if you can kill your old kids, see, something 0:04:52.400 --> 0:04:53.480 has gone wrong. 0:04:53.880 --> 0:04:56.800 But that I've never heard that before. That's really interesting. Obviously, 0:04:56.880 --> 0:05:01.000 every murder, whether it's I was enraged because he was 0:05:01.040 --> 0:05:04.520 in bed with my wife, or I wanted to take 0:05:04.600 --> 0:05:07.120 their car or whatever it is, there was a reason 0:05:07.160 --> 0:05:07.800 at the moment. 0:05:08.880 --> 0:05:09.360 Yeah, And she. 0:05:09.320 --> 0:05:12.760 Writes about that there's a difference between understanding and exoneration 0:05:12.960 --> 0:05:17.400 between a reason and an excuse. When you're talking about 0:05:17.440 --> 0:05:21.160 the functioning of the human mind, now you're into real guesswork. 0:05:24.080 --> 0:05:26.400 And then there's just the as a society, what do 0:05:26.440 --> 0:05:28.560 we want to do with the sort of person who's 0:05:29.000 --> 0:05:31.480 capable of killing their own children. If they're capable of 0:05:31.600 --> 0:05:34.240 killing their own children, they would seem to me to 0:05:34.240 --> 0:05:41.159 be capable of killing anybody or doing anything. Maybe do 0:05:41.200 --> 0:05:44.240 you want them out in society? I think the argument 0:05:44.279 --> 0:05:46.719 in Katie, feel free to jump in here. The argument 0:05:46.760 --> 0:05:52.960 would be, well, it's a temporary severe mental illness caused. 0:05:52.560 --> 0:05:57.320 By postpartum psychochemist. Yeah, yeah, exactly. 0:05:58.640 --> 0:06:00.359 You had anything to say, Katie before I get this 0:06:00.400 --> 0:06:01.960 about the women coming to her support. 0:06:02.960 --> 0:06:03.479 Not really. 0:06:03.560 --> 0:06:05.120 I mean, the only thing that I can think of 0:06:05.200 --> 0:06:09.320 is the ps psychosis that is currently talked about due 0:06:09.360 --> 0:06:12.520 to insomnia. I can see how that could like drive 0:06:12.560 --> 0:06:14.440 you nuts, but I still don't see how it leads 0:06:14.520 --> 0:06:14.800 to this. 0:06:15.080 --> 0:06:17.440 So we talked Friday on how there were three hundred 0:06:17.480 --> 0:06:21.120 women outside the courtroom in pink shirts in support of 0:06:21.160 --> 0:06:24.560 this mom who killed her own kids. Basically with the 0:06:25.000 --> 0:06:27.440 hey being a mom's really really hard. I got really 0:06:27.440 --> 0:06:29.920 depressed too, and then it's hard to get the kind 0:06:29.960 --> 0:06:31.520 of mental health care you want. And that's the real 0:06:31.600 --> 0:06:34.920 thing which is interesting. So this free Press article by 0:06:35.000 --> 0:06:37.520 Kara Kennedy, it might be saying some of the things 0:06:37.520 --> 0:06:39.960 you've been yelling at the radio every time we bring 0:06:40.040 --> 0:06:43.120 up the women in support the moms of TikTok have 0:06:43.200 --> 0:06:47.040 gone insane. We've been telling women for decades that motherhood 0:06:47.080 --> 0:06:48.720 is one of the worst things that can happen to them. 0:06:48.720 --> 0:06:51.200 So it is in any surprise that so many moms 0:06:51.240 --> 0:06:54.279 now see child killing mom Lindsay Clancy as a martyr. 0:06:55.240 --> 0:06:59.120 I didn't know all of these things were going on. Struggling, 0:06:59.279 --> 0:07:02.520 sleep deprived moms are propping up their phones in their bathroom, 0:07:02.920 --> 0:07:05.680 hitting the record button and throwing ice at it while 0:07:05.760 --> 0:07:09.200 screaming for an entire minute. Instead of having a screaming 0:07:09.200 --> 0:07:11.520 match with my toddler, one mom wrote in a social 0:07:11.520 --> 0:07:14.320 media post, I throw ice into my tub. It allows 0:07:14.320 --> 0:07:17.559 me to feel angry without being destructive. Moms are also 0:07:18.160 --> 0:07:22.200 setting up ring lights to film themselves hysterically sobbing in 0:07:22.200 --> 0:07:24.720 front of their small children. He ain't good for the 0:07:24.800 --> 0:07:28.120 kid if you can avoid it. Others are filming their 0:07:28.160 --> 0:07:32.720 crying babies with the caption me too, Lindsey, what My God, 0:07:32.880 --> 0:07:36.560 in solidarity with Lindsay Clancy, the Massachute's mom who strangled 0:07:36.560 --> 0:07:43.680 at her kids, ages five, three and eight months, one at. 0:07:43.600 --> 0:07:45.480 A time, and that takes a minute. 0:07:45.720 --> 0:07:46.360 Yeah. 0:07:46.480 --> 0:07:49.760 Yeah, I'm also taking a little bit of an issue 0:07:49.840 --> 0:07:52.640 with the not having the resources argument, because when you're 0:07:52.680 --> 0:07:56.760 in the hospital, they send someone to kind of debrief 0:07:56.800 --> 0:07:58.880 you on, hey, this can happen, here's what you do 0:07:59.120 --> 0:08:02.400 when it if it does happen, and there, I mean, 0:08:02.440 --> 0:08:05.440 you google it, and there's hotlines everywhere you can call 0:08:05.680 --> 0:08:06.680 that free counseling. 0:08:06.760 --> 0:08:08.440 So I don't really see the argument that we you 0:08:08.480 --> 0:08:11.040 can't get help. Yeah. I'm not arguing for any side 0:08:11.040 --> 0:08:17.679 on this. I didn't follow the trial, but actually, crazy 0:08:17.680 --> 0:08:21.960 people don't have the wherewith all abilities to seek to 0:08:21.960 --> 0:08:23.760 get this help. That's one of the problems with it. 0:08:23.760 --> 0:08:26.000 It can be all over the place and easily gotten, 0:08:26.200 --> 0:08:28.520 but if you're really crazy, you're not really in the 0:08:28.560 --> 0:08:30.560 best position to figure out how who to call and 0:08:30.600 --> 0:08:32.839 who to google and all that sort of stuff. 0:08:32.840 --> 0:08:35.240 But right if there's an element of paranoia and your problem, 0:08:35.280 --> 0:08:37.160 you're certain that those people are out to get you. 0:08:37.160 --> 0:08:38.120 They're part of the cabal. 0:08:38.280 --> 0:08:42.680 Yeah, true, right, because she her claim is that she 0:08:42.800 --> 0:08:45.080 was hearing voices saying she needed to kill her children 0:08:45.200 --> 0:08:47.640 to protect them from demons or something like that, like 0:08:47.679 --> 0:08:49.600 she was doing a good for them thing for them 0:08:49.640 --> 0:08:52.240 they would be in protected and heaven away from the demons. 0:08:52.280 --> 0:08:54.800 Yet and you can't trust to help professionals, so then yeah, 0:08:54.840 --> 0:08:57.320 you get into a difficult situation. Anyway, back to the 0:08:57.320 --> 0:09:00.280 free press thing here, the brain rot has spread like 0:09:00.360 --> 0:09:03.040 wildfire is the algorithms made sure it would, and in 0:09:03.080 --> 0:09:07.040 the mamo sphere, the network of TikTok moms and mommy 0:09:07.120 --> 0:09:11.439 influencers and mom bloggers, it has almost been universally embraced 0:09:11.440 --> 0:09:14.520 as a healthy, liberating way for mothers to exhibit their rage, 0:09:15.200 --> 0:09:17.640 not the killing, but all this other weird stuff. Part 0:09:17.679 --> 0:09:19.920 of this comes from how Clancy's case has been understood 0:09:19.960 --> 0:09:21.719 or defense argues that she was in the grips of 0:09:21.760 --> 0:09:24.679 postpartum psychosis at the time of the killings, and has 0:09:24.720 --> 0:09:28.640 pointed to the many medications prescribed to the moms of TikTok. 0:09:28.840 --> 0:09:32.360 An overwhelmed and over medicated mom practically begging for help 0:09:32.760 --> 0:09:35.160 is something maybe an extreme version of what they see 0:09:35.200 --> 0:09:37.520 in the mirror every day, which is why Clancy has 0:09:37.559 --> 0:09:40.440 been claimed as a martyr rather than a monster who 0:09:40.520 --> 0:09:41.880 acts as a cautionary tale. 0:09:43.160 --> 0:09:45.440 Most human beings, and it's taken me a long time 0:09:45.480 --> 0:09:47.520 to understand this and come to terms with it. Most 0:09:47.600 --> 0:09:52.240 human beings are irrational, and I think a lot of 0:09:52.240 --> 0:09:56.040 this stuff is just a directional signal. Being a new 0:09:56.080 --> 0:09:59.040 mom is extremely difficult. It's very tiring. It's driving me 0:09:59.080 --> 0:10:03.280 quote unquote. Therefore, this is the ultimate example of this. 0:10:03.400 --> 0:10:09.200 I'm going to support this woman because directionally it's it 0:10:09.280 --> 0:10:11.600 implies I need more sympathy. 0:10:12.240 --> 0:10:15.560 I don't know. Well, Katie's in the couldn't be in 0:10:15.600 --> 0:10:18.400 a better position, obviously to comment on this as a woman, 0:10:18.679 --> 0:10:23.240 as a mom, as a new mom. Where are you 0:10:23.280 --> 0:10:25.800 and your friends on this? I feel like off just 0:10:25.920 --> 0:10:28.160 guessing off the top of my head. While the three 0:10:28.240 --> 0:10:30.800 hundred moms in the pink shirts and support and all 0:10:30.840 --> 0:10:32.640 the TikTok moms are getting a lot of the attention, 0:10:33.040 --> 0:10:36.600 I'm thinking it's I'm just guessing. It's like eighty twenty 0:10:36.760 --> 0:10:38.520 ninety ten, lock her up forever. 0:10:39.160 --> 0:10:41.640 All three of my friends who have had a baby 0:10:41.640 --> 0:10:44.960 within the last year are lock her up forever because 0:10:46.080 --> 0:10:48.880 oh sorry, well no, just because you know, I know 0:10:49.040 --> 0:10:52.160 that when we talk about having resources and whatnot. This 0:10:52.240 --> 0:10:56.720 didn't just punch her in the face. This progressively happened. 0:10:57.360 --> 0:11:02.360 And you know, I, I don't know. This whole thing 0:11:02.440 --> 0:11:04.600 is so ugly, but yeah, new moms that I know 0:11:05.880 --> 0:11:06.880 are I will not with it. 0:11:06.920 --> 0:11:11.079 I'll bet, I'll bet it's overwhelmingly lock that be up 0:11:11.120 --> 0:11:12.720 forever as opposed to. 0:11:12.720 --> 0:11:13.240 I would guess. 0:11:13.240 --> 0:11:16.440 So yeah, yeah, well from a societal point of view too. 0:11:16.640 --> 0:11:20.480 And you know, given that we're still at the infancy 0:11:20.559 --> 0:11:25.080 no pun intended of understanding mental illness honestly as a species, 0:11:25.880 --> 0:11:28.080 with all due respect to the mysteries and horrors of 0:11:28.160 --> 0:11:33.120 severe mental illness, as a society, if we establish a 0:11:33.160 --> 0:11:36.120 president precedent that if you make a pretty good case 0:11:36.160 --> 0:11:39.640 that you are not in your right mind and you 0:11:39.720 --> 0:11:44.200 get away with snuffing your three children, that just that 0:11:44.240 --> 0:11:46.360 does not put us in a very good place at all. 0:11:47.040 --> 0:11:49.080 You know, I'm not one of those. If if it 0:11:49.200 --> 0:11:52.520 saves even one child, you know, well let's change all 0:11:52.559 --> 0:11:55.720 of society. That's not the way societies work. But if 0:11:55.880 --> 0:12:02.960 this woman must be hm mm, sachkrifeist judged unfairly because 0:12:03.000 --> 0:12:03.960 she actually was out of. 0:12:03.920 --> 0:12:06.000 Her minder toward one direction over the other. 0:12:06.559 --> 0:12:12.560 Exactly to protect the potentially thousands of kids whose fathers, mothers, 0:12:12.720 --> 0:12:17.160 care givers loses their temper and thinks that woman did it, 0:12:17.240 --> 0:12:17.960 I can. 0:12:18.240 --> 0:12:21.760 Even if it's like three to one, that's way too many. 0:12:21.880 --> 0:12:25.760 If people think, yeah's that is within the Overton window 0:12:26.040 --> 0:12:27.520 of I'm at the end of my rope. 0:12:27.640 --> 0:12:28.800 It's just too dangerous. 0:12:28.880 --> 0:12:30.720 Yeah, we kind of have to have a hard no 0:12:30.960 --> 0:12:31.800 on that behavior. 0:12:32.400 --> 0:12:36.160 And is it a horrifying tragedy If this woman actually 0:12:36.240 --> 0:12:39.000 could not help herself, or all those drugs had attributed 0:12:39.040 --> 0:12:41.640 to the killing her feelings or whatever, that would be, 0:12:41.800 --> 0:12:45.960 that's I weep for her, I really do. On the 0:12:46.000 --> 0:12:48.720 other hand, we can't establish the precedent. 0:12:49.679 --> 0:12:53.319 There's another interesting angle to this that kind of gets 0:12:53.360 --> 0:12:56.640 into the just the nature of social media and algorithms 0:12:56.640 --> 0:12:58.200 and all that sort of stuff that I'd like to 0:12:58.360 --> 0:13:00.440 mention from the Free Press article. But if you have 0:13:00.480 --> 0:13:03.400 any comments on this conversation, hit us on the text 0:13:03.440 --> 0:13:08.000 line during this break four one five two nine five kftc. 0:13:08.920 --> 0:13:20.160 Armstrong he thee Armstrong and Getty shirt. 0:13:25.520 --> 0:13:27.800 So we're talking about the mama killed her kids, and 0:13:27.840 --> 0:13:29.320 the trial is going on and it might go to 0:13:29.360 --> 0:13:31.520 the jury this week, and that verdict is gonna be 0:13:31.559 --> 0:13:34.199 damned interesting. I'll tell you that we got some texts 0:13:34.200 --> 0:13:35.920 about that before I get to do some more of 0:13:35.960 --> 0:13:38.959 that free press piece standing up for all you women 0:13:39.040 --> 0:13:43.720 and men out there who aren't supporting the crazy mom 0:13:44.679 --> 0:13:47.520 and saying I can sympathize with her. You're more in 0:13:47.559 --> 0:13:53.080 the locker up forever she killed her kids. Camp got 0:13:53.080 --> 0:13:55.520 this kind of from the who done it? Or how 0:13:55.840 --> 0:13:56.720 is she guilty or not? 0:13:56.960 --> 0:13:57.280 World? 0:13:57.840 --> 0:14:01.760 I understand, uh, the three poor kids that she killed, 0:14:01.760 --> 0:14:03.600 But why do you think she didn't kill her husband? 0:14:03.679 --> 0:14:07.680 Nobody brings that up? Would you be completely crazy kill 0:14:07.720 --> 0:14:10.640 your kids? I mean, would you not be crazy kill 0:14:10.679 --> 0:14:16.000 your kids? Not have an excuse for why you did? 0:14:16.120 --> 0:14:18.160 Your husband's still a lot? I mean, how did you 0:14:18.480 --> 0:14:20.720 You didn't think there's no getting away with this? 0:14:21.640 --> 0:14:22.240 I don't know. 0:14:22.680 --> 0:14:27.240 That almost makes you seem crazy, Okay. I just in 0:14:27.280 --> 0:14:29.640 terms of a plot, I can't stand being a mom. 0:14:29.680 --> 0:14:32.680 I want to kill my kids. You you weren't going 0:14:32.720 --> 0:14:34.640 to get away with it, so you were some level 0:14:34.680 --> 0:14:42.920 of something. Oh the dad the husband. We talked about 0:14:42.920 --> 0:14:44.320 this while you were gone. I want you to weigh 0:14:44.320 --> 0:14:46.640 in on this. The husband seems like a crazy dude. 0:14:46.680 --> 0:14:50.720 This textor said, never cried during testimony, remarried four months 0:14:50.760 --> 0:14:55.280 after the killings, and had many indications of some evils. 0:14:55.360 --> 0:14:56.760 I don't know about that last part, but. 0:14:57.520 --> 0:14:59.840 Yeah, I thought it was interesting. I came across the 0:15:00.040 --> 0:15:04.160 information that the she's innocent camp. Well, there are two camps. 0:15:04.200 --> 0:15:08.240 There's the postpartum psychosis, too many medications camp, and then 0:15:08.280 --> 0:15:12.520 there's the lies, lies lies. The husband did it. The 0:15:12.680 --> 0:15:17.080 husband framed her right and was gasoling into a false confession. 0:15:18.040 --> 0:15:19.080 And I like this. 0:15:19.560 --> 0:15:21.880 One gets the sense that people are desperate to make 0:15:21.960 --> 0:15:23.800 sense of what happened, but only so long as the 0:15:23.840 --> 0:15:27.240 answers are tidy and satisfying. For the true crimeers. That 0:15:27.280 --> 0:15:31.000 means turning a grotesque tragedy into an exciting mystery, along 0:15:31.000 --> 0:15:33.840 with the self flattering satisfaction of having figured it all 0:15:33.880 --> 0:15:36.440 out and sticking it to the patriarchy while doing it. 0:15:36.840 --> 0:15:38.760 I thought that was a pretty good description. 0:15:39.440 --> 0:15:42.120 Standing up well. And my my take on Friday was 0:15:42.400 --> 0:15:46.520 he remarried four months after his ex wife killed all 0:15:46.560 --> 0:15:51.360 three of their kids, you'd be nuts, you'd be you'd 0:15:51.360 --> 0:15:53.840 be in a state of like you can't. 0:15:55.120 --> 0:15:57.400 You might make some bad decisions. She might make some 0:15:57.480 --> 0:15:59.160 really rash, weird decisions. 0:15:59.160 --> 0:15:59.760 If that happened. 0:16:00.080 --> 0:16:02.840 If I was a cold blooded psychopath who murdered my 0:16:02.960 --> 0:16:05.360 children and framed my wife for it, the last freaking 0:16:05.520 --> 0:16:07.920 thing I would do is draw attention to myself by 0:16:07.920 --> 0:16:12.360 getting married. You know, is this some sort of period 0:16:12.400 --> 0:16:14.960 in our history where he couldn't sex up his lover 0:16:15.080 --> 0:16:17.520 without marrying her, so he did it publicly. 0:16:18.360 --> 0:16:20.440 Come on, My guess would be he really knew his 0:16:20.480 --> 0:16:22.760 wife was struggling, didn't know what to how to handle it, 0:16:22.800 --> 0:16:24.640 and then this happened, and it's, oh my god, I 0:16:24.680 --> 0:16:27.040 can't imagine living in his head. We did disc his 0:16:27.400 --> 0:16:31.480 text from the world of struggling, talking about their son 0:16:31.560 --> 0:16:33.960 and how hard it was to get help, and their 0:16:33.960 --> 0:16:36.000 son talked about killing themselves all the time, and they 0:16:36.000 --> 0:16:38.120 go all these mental health professions and hasn't come up 0:16:38.160 --> 0:16:40.320 with an actual plan, so you don't qualify for fifty 0:16:40.360 --> 0:16:41.920 one fifty and blah blah blah. And it went on 0:16:41.960 --> 0:16:44.320 for many months until he finally did it. I have 0:16:44.440 --> 0:16:46.640 lived in this world. It is not as easy as 0:16:46.680 --> 0:16:48.240 it sounds to get help, but I want to get 0:16:48.280 --> 0:16:51.400 this on. So this Free Press article about brings up 0:16:51.400 --> 0:16:54.000 the manosphere and how if somebody in the manosphere talked 0:16:54.000 --> 0:16:56.280 about talked this way, people would beating them up. But 0:16:56.560 --> 0:16:59.920 their main point was for quite a few years now, 0:17:00.200 --> 0:17:02.560 women have been talking about the manosphere and how awful 0:17:02.600 --> 0:17:05.360 men and everything like that. Clearly there is a mamosphere 0:17:05.359 --> 0:17:08.679 out there where we've gone nuts. Also in the manosphere, 0:17:08.720 --> 0:17:11.639 the hyper online realm populated by in cells, lost boys 0:17:11.680 --> 0:17:15.960 and rageful misogynists, is selling disillusioned men the performance of strength. 0:17:16.359 --> 0:17:20.840 The mama sphere mamosphere is selling their counterparts the performance 0:17:20.880 --> 0:17:25.760 of suffering. And I think that is true. It's so 0:17:26.000 --> 0:17:28.880 hard to be us. We can justify anything. 0:17:29.080 --> 0:17:31.760 In a related story. There's a related story. 0:17:31.359 --> 0:17:43.840 Coming up, Armstrong and Getty, the Armstrong and Getty shirt. 0:17:48.800 --> 0:17:51.920 I'm not getting paid to say this. I rarely say 0:17:51.920 --> 0:17:55.080 things I don't get paid to say. If you're not 0:17:55.200 --> 0:17:57.480 reading the Free Press, if you're not a subscriber, you 0:17:57.520 --> 0:18:00.159 were missing out on maybe the best journalism that this 0:18:00.280 --> 0:18:03.639 on earth. It is so flipping good. It's stunning to me. 0:18:04.560 --> 0:18:07.640 Every day there's stuff that's like, Wow, I didn't think 0:18:07.680 --> 0:18:11.320 of that, or that that's that is a topic written 0:18:11.400 --> 0:18:13.280 about in a better way than I've ever heard, etc. 0:18:13.880 --> 0:18:18.000 Including on this one about the mamosphere in the way 0:18:18.040 --> 0:18:20.840 it has risen up in suupport of this clancy woman 0:18:20.840 --> 0:18:22.120 who killed her kids. 0:18:22.680 --> 0:18:25.320 Human beings cannot endure the Internet. 0:18:25.880 --> 0:18:30.680 No, my takeaway from this article is we're all going crazy. 0:18:31.720 --> 0:18:36.320 Yeah, I really should write an article about this, an editorial, 0:18:36.359 --> 0:18:39.760 but I think I'll work on my golf swing instead 0:18:39.800 --> 0:18:40.480 this afternoon. 0:18:40.480 --> 0:18:43.359 You got a putting situation to deal with exactly. 0:18:43.400 --> 0:18:46.080 Actually that's the only thing I do right, But anyway, 0:18:46.240 --> 0:18:48.280 it's here's the very very short version of it, and 0:18:48.640 --> 0:18:50.280 I'm working on perfecting this idea. 0:18:51.440 --> 0:18:54.399 Human beings for our entire history had a. 0:18:54.280 --> 0:19:01.000 Filter system for ideas, both outgoing and incoming. And I 0:19:01.119 --> 0:19:04.119 might have some crazy ass idea. I would try it 0:19:04.160 --> 0:19:06.520 out on a handful of people, and I'd get like 0:19:06.560 --> 0:19:10.560 a sympathetic interesting from one person an outright rejection from 0:19:10.600 --> 0:19:13.600 the next seven, and I would say to myself, maybe 0:19:13.600 --> 0:19:18.520 that idea isn't so good. And likewise, incoming ideas, how 0:19:18.600 --> 0:19:20.440 am I going to know? If there's somebody who lives 0:19:20.480 --> 0:19:24.160 eighteen hundred miles away who also thinks my crazy ass 0:19:24.200 --> 0:19:28.880 idea is just cool, And how would I become aware 0:19:29.080 --> 0:19:32.840 that whatever, there are people who like child porn or 0:19:32.960 --> 0:19:40.760 Nazism or you know, they're whatever stupid corrosive socialism ideas 0:19:40.800 --> 0:19:43.200 out there, although that one's been more comfortable in history 0:19:43.240 --> 0:19:45.280 because it's the greatest scam that's ever been trying. 0:19:45.400 --> 0:19:47.000 Or I think the idea of killing your kids is 0:19:47.040 --> 0:19:50.600 a reasonable reaction to the difficulty of parenthood. 0:19:50.440 --> 0:19:53.639 Or exactly, or even like we were talking about last segment, 0:19:53.720 --> 0:20:00.159 directionally being so desperate for somebody to give heed, to pay, 0:20:00.520 --> 0:20:02.879 to give respect to the idea that this is really, 0:20:02.880 --> 0:20:06.119 really hard and I'm suffering, that you would align yourself 0:20:06.160 --> 0:20:09.240 with somebody who strangled her three small children to death 0:20:09.320 --> 0:20:13.680 over the course of probably twelve to fifteen minutes, depending 0:20:13.680 --> 0:20:17.520 on which a forensic expert you talk to. 0:20:17.720 --> 0:20:19.960 It takes a minute to strangle. 0:20:19.520 --> 0:20:22.160 Someone to death, Well, it actually takes three to five 0:20:22.240 --> 0:20:29.120 minutes anyway, that's right, and so yeah, but again that's yeah, 0:20:29.160 --> 0:20:32.440 it's really hard being a mom. Therefore you're with this 0:20:32.520 --> 0:20:36.000 woman is the sort of idea that would get rejected 0:20:36.000 --> 0:20:38.520 over and over and over again until the Internet. 0:20:38.800 --> 0:20:42.199 Well, here's good news. Now you get to layer on 0:20:42.440 --> 0:20:45.320 AI where you don't even need to find the crazies 0:20:45.359 --> 0:20:47.480 somewhere in the world on the Internet. You can just 0:20:47.520 --> 0:20:50.200 go to AI and it will probably with its weird 0:20:50.280 --> 0:20:54.040 confirmation bias thing, start agreeing with you over time. I 0:20:54.080 --> 0:20:57.800 have more data on that later from an MIT report 0:20:58.240 --> 0:21:01.240 on how layer after let if you stay with it 0:21:01.280 --> 0:21:05.399 through like ten questions, it will eventually start agreeing with you, 0:21:05.440 --> 0:21:08.960 no matter your crazy idea. 0:21:09.119 --> 0:21:11.280 Yeah, so I thought this was an interesting related story 0:21:11.320 --> 0:21:13.680 I've been sitting on for a little bit. I'm a psychiatrist. 0:21:13.720 --> 0:21:17.520 I'm hearing something new. Excuse me, little Bernie Sanders. 0:21:17.520 --> 0:21:18.159 Oh, that reminds me. 0:21:18.200 --> 0:21:24.680 We gotta play our Bernie Sanders montage coming up as hilarious. 0:21:24.880 --> 0:21:29.040 That's right, the oligachi. But the article is I'm a psychiatrist. 0:21:29.080 --> 0:21:32.679 I'm hearing something new from young women, and. 0:21:32.800 --> 0:21:33.720 She says, uh. 0:21:34.640 --> 0:21:37.400 Several years ago, I started noticing something new when teenage 0:21:37.440 --> 0:21:39.480 girls or young women came to my office for their 0:21:39.480 --> 0:21:43.639 first psychiatric sessions. Patients used to be used to dread 0:21:43.800 --> 0:21:46.359 being told that there was something, as they saw it, 0:21:46.760 --> 0:21:51.840 wrong with them. Now these young women were announcing their diagnoses, 0:21:52.160 --> 0:21:56.920 attention deficit, hyperactivity disorder, obsessive compulsive disorder, anxiety depression. Almost 0:21:56.960 --> 0:22:00.000 before telling me their names, they had researched their symptoms 0:22:00.160 --> 0:22:03.439 on Instagram. They'd taken TikTok quizzes about them, they had 0:22:03.480 --> 0:22:06.720 crossed indexed their conditions with those of their friends. It 0:22:06.800 --> 0:22:10.880 was everyone from gravelly voice film majors to ernest high 0:22:10.880 --> 0:22:14.280