WEBVTT -  A Cocaine Fueled Beaver

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<v Speaker 1>Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio at the

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<v Speaker 1>George Washington Broadcast Center. Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.

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<v Speaker 2>Armstrong and Getty. And now, here's Armstrong and Getty.

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<v Speaker 3>Finally, in a new interview, New England Patriots quarterback Drake

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<v Speaker 3>Mays said he was a little bit skeptical that the

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<v Speaker 3>moon landing was real and added, quote, I'm not really

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<v Speaker 3>sure 200 percent if we went there or not. So

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<v Speaker 3>take it with a grain of salt because he doesn't

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<v Speaker 3>think percentages are real either.

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<v Speaker 2>Very funny. You said the other day, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>this is absolutely true. At what percentage of people having something? anxiety, ADHD,

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<v Speaker 2>whatever it is. At what percentage do you reach a

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<v Speaker 2>point where you just have to say, well, apparently it's

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<v Speaker 2>just the human condition.

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<v Speaker 4>Exactly, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's quit talking about it like a special thing. It's

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<v Speaker 2>just part of being a person.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, exactly. I'm going to need the day off. I

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<v Speaker 4>get a little tired after climbing a flight of stairs.

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<v Speaker 1>Ah!

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<v Speaker 4>No, no, no, no. We all do. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm not discounting the serious stuff that lots of

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<v Speaker 2>people have.

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<v Speaker 4>Certainly.

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<v Speaker 2>And how difficult it is for their lives. I'm in

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<v Speaker 2>a family with one of those people myself, and I

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<v Speaker 2>guarantee you it's real. Yeah. But I thought this was

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<v Speaker 2>really interesting. And part of the reason it gets my attention,

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<v Speaker 2>I know someone who knows a lot about this stuff

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<v Speaker 2>because she has had four autistic kids and she has

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<v Speaker 2>ADHD and a whole bunch of different things she knows

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<v Speaker 2>a lot about. And she knows me fairly well and said, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>you clearly have ADHD. I said, I do. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I've never even thought about it. Nobody ever told me.

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<v Speaker 2>You absolutely do, she said. I don't know. And at

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<v Speaker 2>this point in my life, I mean, well, I got

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of years left. It doesn't make any difference.

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<v Speaker 4>Max, right?

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't make any difference at this point.

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<v Speaker 4>I've lived my life.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think this is really interesting because it fits

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<v Speaker 2>so good. Scientists confirm, according to this person that does

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<v Speaker 2>like an ADHD channel on YouTube and so talks about

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<v Speaker 2>ADHD all the time. Scientists confirm that ADHD brains physically

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<v Speaker 2>cannot start a task without dopamine access. That is why

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<v Speaker 2>just do it. Just get it done. Doesn't work. You

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<v Speaker 2>need a deadline or something that kicks off the dopamine thing.

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<v Speaker 2>for you to want to do it at all. It's not,

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<v Speaker 2>because I always treat procrastination as a character flaw.

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<v Speaker 4>Always.

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<v Speaker 2>And it hasn't done me any good, I'll tell you that.

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<v Speaker 2>I've been meaning to get around to come up with

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<v Speaker 2>a different reason to call it, but But this absolutely

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<v Speaker 2>made sense to me. I read the whole thread on

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<v Speaker 2>my whole life of I just can't possibly make myself

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<v Speaker 2>start this term paper. Then when I get to, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the deadline crunch time that apparently kicks off enough energy

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<v Speaker 2>in the brain, dopamine, whatever it is that triggers the

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<v Speaker 2>get this done thing. Then all of a sudden I

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<v Speaker 2>have all these ideas. I can get it all done.

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<v Speaker 2>And I, and you know, and I beat myself up

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<v Speaker 2>next time I'm starting earlier, but I can't activate it

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<v Speaker 2>without that. And he talks about the, you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>pile of laundry or, or whatever it is. And then

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<v Speaker 2>there are some tricks to like kick off that dopamine

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<v Speaker 2>thing that will help you get to work on different stuff.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, wait a minute. I need to know the tricks.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if this is all true or not,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's, it's certainly, it certainly seemed to me that

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<v Speaker 2>it might be more helpful for me to look at

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<v Speaker 2>some sort of brain chemistry thing then as a character issue,

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<v Speaker 2>which has done me no good.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I don't know the whys and wherefores and neurological

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<v Speaker 4>particulars of it, but yeah, that fits into me like

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<v Speaker 4>a perfect puzzle piece. I mean, I am utterly incapable

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<v Speaker 4>of starting certain projects unless there is a deadline or

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<v Speaker 4>fear of failure. Then I can work like a cocaine-fueled beaver.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, like without effort.

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<v Speaker 2>You like that, Katie? Cocaine-fueled beaver? That will be the

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<v Speaker 2>title of this hour's podcast.

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<v Speaker 4>Good. Happy to help. And my mom actually said something

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<v Speaker 4>to that effect to me during my teenage years. And

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<v Speaker 4>I'm like, wow, she's right. And it's one of the

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<v Speaker 4>reasons I do what I do. for a living is

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<v Speaker 4>that deadline the fear of humiliation every single day is

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<v Speaker 4>a great motivator and the deadline.

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<v Speaker 2>The ADHD brain doesn't run on intention it runs on

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<v Speaker 2>urgency novelty challenge or passion if none of those are

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<v Speaker 2>present the task doesn't start no matter how much you

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<v Speaker 2>want it to no matter how important it is no

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<v Speaker 2>matter how much your boss or your parents or your

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<v Speaker 2>wife or whoever tells you you need to get that

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<v Speaker 2>done Again, I say, ding! Until you've got the sense

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<v Speaker 2>of urgency, novelty, challenge, or passion, you just can't do it.

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<v Speaker 2>Psychologists say ADHD brains run on deadlines, so a 4 p.m.

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<v Speaker 2>appointment becomes the only real plan of the day, and

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<v Speaker 2>everything before it feels fake and unstartable. I thought that

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<v Speaker 2>was really interesting. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know if this

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<v Speaker 2>helps me, but again, the.

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<v Speaker 2>Acting like, because I really have, that it's a character defect,

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<v Speaker 2>that if I was a better person, I would get

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<v Speaker 2>this stuff done, has not helped me at all.

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<v Speaker 1>No.

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<v Speaker 2>It's gotten me nowhere.

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<v Speaker 4>I'd say you've given it a good long trial, too. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>pretty good test. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>And I need to, because I got one kid who

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<v Speaker 2>has it, the procrastination, putting stuff off exactly like his

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<v Speaker 2>old man, and one who doesn't at all. Not a bit. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>I'd be better to get this homework done now. So

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<v Speaker 2>I have time later to do what I want. What?

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<v Speaker 4>I listen to him. Excuse me. I'm off to work ahead. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>I've got a kid like that, too. You're no child

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<v Speaker 4>of mine. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>You look like me, but something went wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>I know.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like I can't relate to that at all. That's

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<v Speaker 2>the way he is.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, man, I feel the weight and guilt of several

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<v Speaker 4>projects I've got that I need to work on right

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<v Speaker 4>now as we talk about this.

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<v Speaker 2>How much, and it gets more complicated the more we

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<v Speaker 2>learn about this and the longer Homo sapiens are around,

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<v Speaker 2>how much of our personalities and everything is just not

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<v Speaker 2>really a choice, much of a choice? You can around

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<v Speaker 2>the edges shape it some, but man, it's just a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of it is just... These are the ingredients in

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<v Speaker 2>the cake. Good luck with the cake. It's going to

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<v Speaker 2>be a chocolate cake as much as you'd like it

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<v Speaker 2>to be a different kind of cake. This is the

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<v Speaker 2>cake it's.

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<v Speaker 4>Going to be. Exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>I've been saying for ages that there's like 20 percent

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<v Speaker 4>around the edges that you can squeeze out or reel

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<v Speaker 4>back in or so. Maybe it's 15, maybe it's 30.

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<v Speaker 4>But yeah, yeah, I agree with you completely.

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<v Speaker 2>And like a cocaine fueled beaver or something. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>CFB is I prefer to, you know. What's the word?

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<v Speaker 4>I'm old. Summarize? It doesn't matter. So, what was I

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<v Speaker 4>going to say? Now my forgetting what I was going

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<v Speaker 4>to say has caused me to forget what I was

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<v Speaker 4>going to say after what I was going to say,

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<v Speaker 4>which I've forgotten. Did you listen to the radio show

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<v Speaker 4>with the two old guys who just constantly say, I

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<v Speaker 4>don't remember what I was going to say.

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<v Speaker 2>Neither do I. Let's sit here for a while. I

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<v Speaker 2>smell mustard. Why do I smell mustard?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, boy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, what I was going to say is surely there

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<v Speaker 4>is an anthropological advantage to having both the planners and

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<v Speaker 4>the grinders and then the impassioned people who can do

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<v Speaker 4>extraordinary things like all of a sudden. In a tribe.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, not to sound like a certain sort of person,

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<v Speaker 2>but when it does kick in, I do it pretty well,

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<v Speaker 2>whatever it is that I've been putting off.

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<v Speaker 4>And frequently tirelessly. All right. Like a CFP. So this

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<v Speaker 4>is BCD, blue-collar dollar. A word for you from our

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<v Speaker 4>friends at blue-collar dollar. There's a lot of pretension and

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<v Speaker 4>fanciness in financial planning. And the folks at Blue Collar

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<v Speaker 4>Dollar want you to know that they appreciate the way

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of entrepreneurs and small business people and farmers

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<v Speaker 4>and hard workers have built their wealth in America, but

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<v Speaker 4>they're not into the whole fancy pants thing. That's what

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<v Speaker 4>Blue Collar Dollar is all about.

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<v Speaker 2>No fancy pants in a couple of minutes is all

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<v Speaker 2>it takes to get started with people who understand the

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<v Speaker 2>value of your time and also your lifestyle at Blue

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<v Speaker 2>Collar Dollar. If you've saved $ 250, 000 or more, there's no

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<v Speaker 2>obligation at all. The consultation is complimentary.

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<v Speaker 4>So put on your regular pants and call pound 250

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<v Speaker 4>on your cell phone at the prom, say blue collar dollar.

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<v Speaker 4>This is just to get acquainted, have an appointment to chat.

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<v Speaker 4>It's not signing up for anything. Dial pound 250, then

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<v Speaker 4>say blue collar dollar. Take control of your financial future.

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<v Speaker 4>Blue collar dollar, pound 250, say blue collar dollar.

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<v Speaker 2>That is one of the most interesting things I've learned

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<v Speaker 2>about me now is the whole I need some sort of,

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<v Speaker 2>instigator to get me going on stuff and it's not

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<v Speaker 2>just you loser why won't you get this done you

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<v Speaker 2>loser what's the matter with you berating myself and obviously

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<v Speaker 2>if it doesn't work berating myself it's not going to

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<v Speaker 2>work to break my kid.

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<v Speaker 4>Right so what do you do impose a deadline.

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<v Speaker 2>Well that's one of the suggestions is you need to

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<v Speaker 2>come up with somehow i don't know how you do

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<v Speaker 2>it for yourself because i can't you're going to get

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<v Speaker 2>started on this by five this afternoon and you know

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<v Speaker 2>the duality of my brain would say, it's not a

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<v Speaker 2>real deadline. It's a fake deadline.

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<v Speaker 4>You're trying to dupe me.

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<v Speaker 2>So I guess impose something.

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<v Speaker 4>On my kids? I did that I did once very successfully,

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<v Speaker 4>and I'm just brainstorming for people like us, but I

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<v Speaker 4>once did it very successfully. I'm going to get this

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<v Speaker 4>done by this age, and that worked for me.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a good one.

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<v Speaker 4>Because the clicking clock of mortality.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a pretty real deadline, though.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah. Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway.

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<v Speaker 4>Anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>But then again, I don't know what percentage of people

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<v Speaker 2>have this whole thing, and at what percentage do you

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<v Speaker 2>cross the line into that's just part of being a

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<v Speaker 2>human being.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>So grow up.

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<v Speaker 4>Maybe you need an AI agent, Jack. We can talk

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<v Speaker 4>about AI agents coming up. Very promising. They can do

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<v Speaker 4>amazing things for you and then screw it up completely

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<v Speaker 4>and humiliate you. But, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Cool. That and other stuff on the way.

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<v Speaker 4>Stay here.

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<v Speaker 1>Armstrong and Getty.

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<v Speaker 2>I wish I could convince, I've got friends and family

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<v Speaker 2>members I have not convinced to use AI chatbots, and

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<v Speaker 2>they just, they have a hatred of the whole idea

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<v Speaker 2>of AI or whatever. I love the AI chatbot thing

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<v Speaker 2>so much. God, I wish it had existed when I

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<v Speaker 2>was a kid. I just, because I always liked, I'd

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<v Speaker 2>get out the encyclopedia, think of something I want to

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<v Speaker 2>learn about, and all we had was the encyclopedia, pre-internet,

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<v Speaker 2>and all that sort of stuff, and it was all

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<v Speaker 2>taken to, I just, I think of things all the time,

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<v Speaker 2>and I go to the, chat GPT or clot or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's so awesome. Right. To be able to do

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<v Speaker 2>deep dives and all these different sorts of things. Oh God,

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<v Speaker 2>I love it.

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<v Speaker 4>Right. Right. From who won the 1978 world series to,

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<v Speaker 4>I asked it recently, Hey, explain the evolving thought on

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<v Speaker 4>Jesus divinity in the first few centuries after his death.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, it's all there. You have to check some

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<v Speaker 4>of it, but Jack, it's time for you to step

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<v Speaker 4>up to an AI agent, enough chat bot silliness. It's

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<v Speaker 4>these agents that you empower to do stuff for you.

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<v Speaker 4>In fact, with, especially with your life, uh, and how

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<v Speaker 4>busy you are. So there are a bunch of stories

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<v Speaker 4>in the Wall Street Journal under the headline, personal AI

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<v Speaker 4>agents are great until they share your bank statement in

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<v Speaker 4>the work chat.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 4>Here's this guy, Shane, been using a personal AI agent

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<v Speaker 4>since August without issue when the startup chief executive got

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<v Speaker 4>pinged by one of his employees. Hey, heads up, there's

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<v Speaker 4>a Slack message with a screenshot attached you might want

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<v Speaker 4>to take a look at. There before him was a

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<v Speaker 4>literal snapshot of his checking and savings account balances, various

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<v Speaker 4>construction costs for a house project, and recurring charges for Netflix,

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<v Speaker 4>car insurance, courtesy of his agent. My heart kind of dropped,

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<v Speaker 4>he said. Oh, really?

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<v Speaker 1>Why?

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<v Speaker 4>I thought I'd set up things as separate personal and work.

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<v Speaker 4>Mac had been using Grokbot, SpaceX AI's always-on agent, giving

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<v Speaker 4>it read-only access to his bank accounts and naming the

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<v Speaker 4>agent Personal CFO. He maintains a separate Grok bot agent

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<v Speaker 4>linked to his work Slack, which he named Chief of Staff.

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<v Speaker 4>Mac demanded to know how personal CFO had ended up

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<v Speaker 4>posting his info to the company Slack. The bot explained itself,

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<v Speaker 4>then sort of apologized. That's on me, it said. Wrong

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<v Speaker 4>audience for personal cash, period. I like how they've programmed

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<v Speaker 4>the chat bots to, when they make a flaming horrific mistake,

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<v Speaker 4>they manfully say, that's totally on me. Good catch.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>That doesn't make it any better.

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<v Speaker 4>We're already tired of that. So people are loving the

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<v Speaker 4>capabilities of their personal AI agents, doing all sorts of

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<v Speaker 4>tasks for the managing users, email correspondents, travel itineraries, and

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<v Speaker 4>much more. I'm planning a trip right now. I'm tempted

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<v Speaker 4>to try it. But then a lot of people are

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<v Speaker 4>being brought down to earth quickly. Some users find that

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<v Speaker 4>much like the machine models they're built on, which can hallucinate, misinterpret,

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<v Speaker 4>or even commit spontaneous acts of cybercrime, their assistants, too,

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<v Speaker 4>can behave unpredictably. And the difference between a chatbot and

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<v Speaker 4>an agent is that users typically use agents to carry

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<v Speaker 4>out tasks like organizing my calendar, book an appointment, The

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<v Speaker 4>agent then breaks down this prompt into a series of steps,

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<v Speaker 4>which are for convenience, often not spelled out for the

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<v Speaker 4>human it's working for. Otherwise, it wouldn't save you any time.

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<v Speaker 2>For all my touting of AI, the chatbots I use

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<v Speaker 2>all the time, I have never used an agent, and

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<v Speaker 2>I don't even know how to dip my toe into it, really.

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<v Speaker 4>And in the case of Mac, his agent conflated chat

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<v Speaker 4>groups with similar names, but not the same. It handled

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<v Speaker 4>an ambiguous instruction badly, he wrote in a follow-up post.

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<v Speaker 4>Then you have Alicia in San Francisco. She relied on

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<v Speaker 4>an agent to make a small, buzzy startup instinct for

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<v Speaker 4>the past month or so. Oh, she used it made

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<v Speaker 4>by instinct. Users can communicate with their instinct agent from

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<v Speaker 4>directly within their iPhone's messages app. She's used hers to

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<v Speaker 4>shop online, schedule Ubers, and book flights. She says it

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<v Speaker 4>functions perfectly 90% of the time, yet it recently surprised

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<v Speaker 4>her by buying a bikini. She'd returned a swimsuit and

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<v Speaker 4>asked the agent to present her with some alternatives from

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<v Speaker 4>the site. The agent sent her a link to approve

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<v Speaker 4>its selection. She says she never approved it, yet she

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<v Speaker 4>received an email confirmation of the purchase. Anything you do

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<v Speaker 4>with a credit card, it sends you an approval link.

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<v Speaker 4>But because this was store credit, not a credit card,

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<v Speaker 4>it didn't know to send the approval link, and it

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<v Speaker 4>bypassed it and just ordered the bikini, which she found

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<v Speaker 4>out she could not cancel it in hopes she can return.

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<v Speaker 2>What the f * * * type of AI s * * *

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<v Speaker 2>is this? Gotta admit, when I crossed the point of

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<v Speaker 2>I've given AI my credit card, I would be concerned.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and then this lady tried to get her agent

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<v Speaker 4>to coordinate her son's 13th birthday party at a paintball place,

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<v Speaker 4>and it confused two kids with the same first name

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<v Speaker 4>and called them one kid.

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<v Speaker 2>I pretty much use AI as the world's greatest trivia machine.

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<v Speaker 4>It's almost ready. I think these agents, they're almost ready,

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<v Speaker 4>depending on what you ask them to do. I'm sure

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<v Speaker 4>there are some tasks that they can perform quite efficiently that,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, if they go slightly awry, you can just

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<v Speaker 4>fix it.

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<v Speaker 2>But like, I was talking to Grok all the way

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<v Speaker 2>home yesterday. Cause I, uh, because I'm into Irish literature,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm big on this whole, um, uh, The Home Rulers

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<v Speaker 2>versus the Unionists versus the Irish and the Catholics and

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<v Speaker 2>all this different sort of stuff. And this guy, Charles Parnell,

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<v Speaker 2>who is like one of the biggest things in the

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<v Speaker 2>history of Ireland's politics. He had all this power in Parliament,

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<v Speaker 2>and then he had an affair, and so all the

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<v Speaker 2>Catholics abandoned him. And this whole story I find so interesting,

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<v Speaker 2>and James Joyce writes about it a lot. But I

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<v Speaker 2>had this ongoing conversation with Grok, starting with, tell me

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<v Speaker 2>about Charles Parnell and the home rulers. But why did

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<v Speaker 2>the Catholics go? But how would the Protestants benefit? Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't matter. That was about the working man. And

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<v Speaker 2>it's like having an ongoing conversation with a history professor

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<v Speaker 2>about something I'm interested in.

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<v Speaker 4>All the way. I just love it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Love it so much.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>Which would be great for writing a term paper or whatever, obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>which is one of the problems.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I schlepped to the library

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<v Speaker 4>and plagiarized books. Now it's a chatbot. What's the difference?

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<v Speaker 2>That's a pretty good point. I changed a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>words in the paragraph from the encyclopedia. Now I'm doing it.

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<v Speaker 4>What's the difference? Slapped down a couple of sloppy citations

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<v Speaker 4>and off I went to class.

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<v Speaker 2>That's how I ended up a disc jockey.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, boy.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, gosh, golly. Speaking of college, college students in the U.S.

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<v Speaker 4>prefer socialism to capitalism. Yet another survey has shown.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't know what they're talking about, but.

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<v Speaker 4>No, they're utterly, completely wrong. Plus, shocking new science about

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<v Speaker 4>sleeping with your dog.

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<v Speaker 2>Like sleeping with your dog or sleeping with your dog? Slumbering,

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<v Speaker 2>you sicko. Well, Patel brought it up for the FBI

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<v Speaker 2>a couple weeks ago.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, but I never use that euphemism, sleeping with. In fact,

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<v Speaker 4>I heard one of my favorite commentators saying it the

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<v Speaker 4>other day.

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<v Speaker 2>They have sex.

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<v Speaker 4>Please.

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<v Speaker 2>Slept together.

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<v Speaker 4>You're right.

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<v Speaker 2>That should go the way of the dodo bird. Nobody

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<v Speaker 2>should use that term if they mean sex.

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<v Speaker 4>And you know me. I'm Mr. Delicate. I don't want

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<v Speaker 4>less delicacy. I just, that one is so, that cow

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<v Speaker 4>is so far out of the barn door and like

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<v Speaker 4>in the next village.

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<v Speaker 2>You got to use that for something, Hanson. You know me, Mr. Delicate. What?

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<v Speaker 2>Lots on the way. If you miss it, it's podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>The Armstrong and Getty Show.

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<v Speaker 2>Breaking news, donkey. Hanson, breaking news, donkey. If you have it,

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<v Speaker 2>do you not have it?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, my.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't have it.

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<v Speaker 4>When news breaks, the donkey brays. Except today, the donkey's off.

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<v Speaker 2>Bears legend Mike Ditka has passed away at age 86.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, my.

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<v Speaker 2>We have a lot of guys listening. NFL's the biggest

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<v Speaker 2>TV show in America, and he was a big part

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<v Speaker 2>of it for a very long time.

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<v Speaker 4>Coach Ditka.

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<v Speaker 2>What a personality.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, great ballplayer, too, back in the day.

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't have told you necessarily that he was still alive.

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<v Speaker 2>Definitely had a good long life.

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<v Speaker 1>86.

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<v Speaker 4>Go Bears! It is a mark of the modern world,

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<v Speaker 4>I think, that we haven't gotten this story, although we

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<v Speaker 4>got to the passing of the great Mike Ditka. Iran

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<v Speaker 4>and its Houthi allies in Yemen delivered a one-two punch

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<v Speaker 4>against Persian Gulf oil producers in separate attacks Wednesday night

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<v Speaker 4>and Thursday morning that sent oil prices sharply higher and

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<v Speaker 4>further shattered the sense of security in Saudi Arabia's capital city.

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<v Speaker 4>So just last week, it looked like Iran had its

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<v Speaker 4>back against the wall and was really suffering, but now

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<v Speaker 4>they're trying to regain the upper hand violently. So it's

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<v Speaker 4>back on.

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<v Speaker 2>Doesn't that seem like there's some big churn thing happening?

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<v Speaker 2>We're like on the cusp of it.

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<v Speaker 4>I think I know what you're talking about, but what

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<v Speaker 4>do you mean? Like a wholesale reordering of the global order.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes.

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<v Speaker 4>Two uses of the word order in the same sentence.

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<v Speaker 4>I apologize. Be better. Be better. Stupid.

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<v Speaker 2>Stupid. But that'll be fun to watch. I want to

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<v Speaker 2>tease this. Another AI story coming up in a second.

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<v Speaker 2>The new rules from Anthropic because the weirdos who run

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<v Speaker 2>Anthropic are concerned that it's sentient. And so they've got

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<v Speaker 2>new rules. It's strange, man. It's strange.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's not good at all and actually is anti-good.

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<v Speaker 4>It's very bad to start treating these things as if

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<v Speaker 4>they're cognizant. Already. Terrible, terrible idea. Speaking of terrible ideas,

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<v Speaker 4>quoting the great George Orwell once again, we have now

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<v Speaker 4>sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious

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<v Speaker 4>is the first duty of intelligent men. College students in U.S.

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<v Speaker 4>prefer socialism to capitalism. A new survey is found. Yet again,

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<v Speaker 4>this nationwide survey from Yale's Buckley Institute finds widespread support

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<v Speaker 4>for socialism and censorship among America's undergrads. Good God, boomers,

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<v Speaker 4>Gen X, we have screwed up badly.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, no kidding. How about the fact? Because you could

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<v Speaker 2>talk these kids, I think, out of their thinking about

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<v Speaker 2>free speech very quickly. But the fact that there nobody

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<v Speaker 2>is on college campuses, that's where free speech like really

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<v Speaker 2>took off in the 60s.

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<v Speaker 4>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>Like really, really the the home of free speech was

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<v Speaker 2>your university professors saying, no, we should be able to

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<v Speaker 2>say anything we want any time in this country. And

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<v Speaker 2>now kids come out of college thinking free speech is bad.

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<v Speaker 2>How nuts is that? How come you hippies haven't like

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<v Speaker 2>fought back on that more? You hippies that went to

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<v Speaker 2>Berkeley where free speech like really took off and Stanford.

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<v Speaker 2>Why aren't you out there loud and proud saying, no, no,

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<v Speaker 2>we're doing this wrong? I think in a lot of cases,

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<v Speaker 2>those were leftists. And they in the way that radicals

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<v Speaker 2>always do, they called for liberty when it suited them.

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<v Speaker 2>Then the moment they had the power, they ended liberty

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<v Speaker 2>because it no longer suited them. It's just the naked

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<v Speaker 2>quest for power.

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<v Speaker 4>So the kids preferred socialism to capitalism, 42 to 28 percent,

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<v Speaker 4>separately more than one in five. 22 percent said America

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<v Speaker 4>deserved the 9-11 and tax. And the UK, Germany, Palestine

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<v Speaker 4>and China are countries viewed most favorably by these students.

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<v Speaker 4>So you think communist Cuba is viewed more favorably than

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<v Speaker 4>the Middle East's lone democracy, Israel?

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<v Speaker 2>So you think the hippies of the 60s, Berkeley, Sproul,

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<v Speaker 2>Plaza or whatever, the free speech leaders, it was because

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<v Speaker 2>the country is much more conservative and they wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>be able to say their hippie things without being stopped.

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<v Speaker 2>And now that the country is much more liberal and

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<v Speaker 2>their hippie things rule the day, they don't want conservatives

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<v Speaker 2>to be able to say their stuff. Sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>In the same way that Castro yelled and screamed for

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<v Speaker 4>democracy until the moment he got power, then he ended democracy.

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<v Speaker 4>Every Islamist regime on Earth calls for freedom and democracy

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<v Speaker 4>until the moment they get power, then they end democracy. So, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>there's a lot of it, a lot of that to it.

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<v Speaker 2>Probably right.

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<v Speaker 4>While 87 percent of respondents say the First Amendment is important.

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<v Speaker 4>Nearly half favor speech codes on their own campuses, and 40%

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<v Speaker 4>say offensive speech should be subject to criminal prosecution.

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<v Speaker 2>That is so crazy and unworkable.

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<v Speaker 4>And stupid, yes.

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<v Speaker 2>And stupid because guess what, children and your children? When

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<v Speaker 2>the other guy gets in charge, he's going to say

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<v Speaker 2>your speech is criminal. Do you get it? It's not

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<v Speaker 2>that complicated.

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<v Speaker 4>Forty six percent of students say it's appropriate to shout

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<v Speaker 4>down or disrupt speakers with whom they disagree. And forty

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<v Speaker 4>five percent say physical violence is warranted to stop hate

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<v Speaker 4>speech or racially charged comments.

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<v Speaker 2>Hate speech defined by you children.

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<v Speaker 4>Whoever has the power.

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<v Speaker 2>And again, is correct. When someone else gets in charge,

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<v Speaker 2>they're going to say what you're saying is hate speech.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you see? Do you understand? You follow? Are you

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<v Speaker 2>following me?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's funny. It seems like the sort of atmosphere

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<v Speaker 4>in which you could have this Haverford professor. That's a

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<v Speaker 4>super upscale liberal arts college in the Philadelphia area. If

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<v Speaker 4>you are northeastern old money elite, you know, Haverford real well.

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<v Speaker 4>I am.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't.

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<v Speaker 4>Slim money, Midwestern middle class. So I'm only barely acquainted

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<v Speaker 4>with it. But here's this professor.

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<v Speaker 2>Hmm.

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<v Speaker 4>Who, among other things, recently has said, somebody mentioned that

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<v Speaker 4>the Palestinians are angry, Israel plans to do this, and

0:25:19.040 --> 0:25:21.330
<v Speaker 4>he tweets, the Jews are angry because the world has

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<v Speaker 4>woken up and realized Hitler was right all along. Let's see.

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<v Speaker 4>He has cyber-stalked one of his co-workers. The goyim have

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<v Speaker 4>woken up, Jew. Run, flee, leave. Blurring your home on

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<v Speaker 4>a Google map and installing a security camera next to

0:25:36.810 --> 0:25:39.810
<v Speaker 4>your mailbox won't help. Lower Marion, that's the part of

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<v Speaker 4>the town, will be cleansed of the Jew filth. This

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<v Speaker 4>guy received a Ph.D. from Columbia University and has long

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<v Speaker 4>been a notable figure in anti-Zionist circles. Ben Shapiro needs

0:25:52.010 --> 0:25:55.850
<v Speaker 4>to be hanged. Again, these are things he didn't mutter

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<v Speaker 4>undercover in a dark bar. He posts them publicly. He

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<v Speaker 4>called Jewish Congressman Randy Fine a fat Jew pig. Look

0:26:04.700 --> 0:26:07.260
<v Speaker 4>at all the swine fat on your Jew body, Randy.

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<v Speaker 4>We can make you into candles to celebrate the complete

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<v Speaker 4>elimination of the Jews, he added a month later. And

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<v Speaker 4>he's still employed, I believe. Yeah, yeah, this is just

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<v Speaker 4>a beautiful, beautiful time we're in. I could go on

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<v Speaker 4>and on and on. I've barely scratched the surface of

0:26:21.359 --> 0:26:25.820
<v Speaker 4>the things this guy has said absolutely publicly. Big fan

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<v Speaker 4>of Hamas, too. Big, big fan of Hamas. So I

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<v Speaker 4>want to get to this real quick. And I kind

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<v Speaker 4>of went a field of the question of socialism. But

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<v Speaker 4>Marco Rubio gave a fabulous speech in Greece in front

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<v Speaker 4>of the apocalypse against the Western principles.

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<v Speaker 2>Acropolis.

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<v Speaker 4>Acropolis.

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<v Speaker 2>In front of the apocalypse. That'd be rough. Here I

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<v Speaker 2>am in front of the apocalypse, and I'm telling you.

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<v Speaker 4>Keep it down.

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<v Speaker 2>Doesn't really matter what I tell you.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, that's funny. I got a little freaked out because...

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<v Speaker 4>The web page reset just as I was about to

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<v Speaker 4>go to it. That's a funny, one of the funnier

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<v Speaker 4>slips ever. Yeah, that's giving a speech in front of

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<v Speaker 4>the apocalypse. Freudian slip, yeah. And he went into the

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<v Speaker 4>essential traits that would come to define the West, a

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<v Speaker 4>fierce individuality, relentless ambition, daring exploration and invention, a yearning

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<v Speaker 4>for discovery, insatiable curiosity, etc., etc., And he says this

0:27:31.890 --> 0:27:34.409
<v Speaker 4>was the foundation of the Western mind, our math, our science,

0:27:34.450 --> 0:27:38.660
<v Speaker 4>our medicine, our philosophy, ethics and religion. Really, really good stuff.

0:27:38.700 --> 0:27:42.900
<v Speaker 4>But then. He goes into the part that I really liked,

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<v Speaker 4>kind of addressing the college kids. I know that to

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<v Speaker 4>modern ears what I just described, this way of life

0:27:47.920 --> 0:27:50.540
<v Speaker 4>may sound odd. It may even sound cruel. The ideal

0:27:50.580 --> 0:27:53.780
<v Speaker 4>of many ideologies in our time has frankly become a

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<v Speaker 4>world of perfect safety, devoid of risk or failure, with

0:27:57.500 --> 0:28:00.000
<v Speaker 4>neither the glory of victory nor the shame of defeat.

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<v Speaker 4>Too often these days we build downwards. We design our

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<v Speaker 4>standards to ensure no one will lose. We preoccupy ourselves

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<v Speaker 4>more with the comfort of the worst than the potential

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<v Speaker 4>of the best. We hold the most exceptional things among

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<v Speaker 4>us hostage to the average society. The ordinary, the mediocre.

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<v Speaker 4>Then he gets into the history of ancient Greece that

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<v Speaker 4>was all about striving upward and building and discovering and

0:28:23.580 --> 0:28:29.040
<v Speaker 4>how socialism is suffocating and kills civilizations. Building downward, as

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<v Speaker 4>he said.

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<v Speaker 2>So a lot of people are saying this is the

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<v Speaker 2>best speech he's given and he's given a lot of

0:28:33.010 --> 0:28:37.209
<v Speaker 2>good speeches. You, I said, he sounds like a guy

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<v Speaker 2>who's running for president. You think it's just a guy

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<v Speaker 2>being a good secretary of state. No, I didn't say

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<v Speaker 2>that exactly.

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<v Speaker 4>I just I said it isn't necessarily a guy running

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<v Speaker 4>for president. He knows it's out there. And if J.D. stumbles,

0:28:49.460 --> 0:28:52.160
<v Speaker 4>he's the guy. So, yeah, I think he's being a

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<v Speaker 4>great secretary of state and making great speeches because he's

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<v Speaker 4>a really eloquent guy.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't believe the choice is Marco Rubio is an

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<v Speaker 2>option if J.D. decides not to run. But if he

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<v Speaker 2>decides to run, sorry, Marco's not even on the table.

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<v Speaker 4>For now, for now. Time, my friend, time, events, events

0:29:09.200 --> 0:29:14.200
<v Speaker 4>and time, the apocalypse. They will all affect all of this.

0:29:14.960 --> 0:29:17.960
<v Speaker 4>So a word from our friends at Incogni. This is chilling.

0:29:18.610 --> 0:29:19.910
<v Speaker 4>If you're not chilled by the end of this, you're

0:29:19.930 --> 0:29:23.450
<v Speaker 4>not paying attention. So your phone rings and it's your bank.

0:29:23.830 --> 0:29:26.010
<v Speaker 4>They know your name, your address, last four years social.

0:29:26.050 --> 0:29:29.050
<v Speaker 4>So it's totally legit, right? No, it's not. It's a scammer.

0:29:29.390 --> 0:29:32.740
<v Speaker 4>who bought all of that info, yipes, from a data broker.

0:29:32.920 --> 0:29:36.020
<v Speaker 2>Yep, so much of your info, name, address, phone number,

0:29:36.080 --> 0:29:38.750
<v Speaker 2>social security, all these different stuff floating around out there

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<v Speaker 2>on all these data brokers. And it gets resold over

0:29:41.800 --> 0:29:44.239
<v Speaker 2>and over again. But with Incogni, you can get that

0:29:44.320 --> 0:29:48.760
<v Speaker 2>information off of there. Incogni sends removal requests to 420-plus

0:29:48.800 --> 0:29:51.480
<v Speaker 2>data brokers and people search sites for you, follows up

0:29:51.920 --> 0:29:53.760
<v Speaker 2>to make sure the info stays off of there.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, which is fabulous. And again, it's hundreds of data

0:29:57.220 --> 0:29:59.520
<v Speaker 4>broker sites. So, I mean, trying to do this yourself, oof.

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<v Speaker 4>Go to Incogni.com slash Armstrong for 60% off. That's Incogni.com

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<v Speaker 4>slash Armstrong spelled I-N-C-O-G-N-I dot com slash Armstrong. Incogni.com slash Armstrong.

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<v Speaker 4>Check it out.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that right now what I see is the

0:30:16.470 --> 0:30:20.360
<v Speaker 2>biggest problem with AI is that the most powerful AI

0:30:20.410 --> 0:30:24.680
<v Speaker 2>company in the world is run by crazy people. That

0:30:24.860 --> 0:30:28.920
<v Speaker 2>should be more discussed and known. Dario and his sister

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<v Speaker 2>and the other people in charge of it are nuts.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh-oh.

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<v Speaker 2>Do we want them to be in charge of the

0:30:34.420 --> 0:30:36.360
<v Speaker 2>most powerful AI in the world? There are new rules.

0:30:36.400 --> 0:30:37.990
<v Speaker 2>We'll explain that. We'll get to that coming up.

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<v Speaker 4>Stay here.

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<v Speaker 1>Armstrong and Getty. The Armstrong and Getty Show.

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<v Speaker 2>Probably ought to talk a little more about the whole

0:30:57.990 --> 0:30:59.670
<v Speaker 2>public execution idea.

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<v Speaker 4>Let's get it on. That's what I say. Coming up

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<v Speaker 4>next hour in hour number four, shocking new science about

0:31:08.070 --> 0:31:11.710
<v Speaker 4>sleeping with your dog. Anastasia Bowden from the Pacific Legal

0:31:11.750 --> 0:31:15.850
<v Speaker 4>Foundation about the big cases in front of the Supreme Court. And, oh,

0:31:15.910 --> 0:31:20.730
<v Speaker 4>my gosh, debate, senatorial debate down in Georgia. John Ossoff said,

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<v Speaker 4>Something that would make his old buddy Joe Biden proud.

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<v Speaker 4>It's Jim Crow on steroids style. Just ridiculous. All of

0:31:27.300 --> 0:31:28.920
<v Speaker 4>that in Hour 4. If you don't get Hour 4,

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<v Speaker 4>On Demand. You'd never miss anything.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I got that mnemonic plague from Russia.

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<v Speaker 4>Probably so. I just kind of blow my nose. I

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<v Speaker 4>can't stop.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just a mess.

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<v Speaker 4>Probably the plague.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's got a fair amount of attention yesterday. The

0:31:45.880 --> 0:31:49.700
<v Speaker 2>explanation for it is even worse. So Anthropic put out

0:31:49.800 --> 0:31:55.280
<v Speaker 2>their new guidelines. that you will be kicked off of

0:31:55.380 --> 0:32:00.920
<v Speaker 2>the chatbot or their AI if you commit sustained and

0:32:01.000 --> 0:32:05.370
<v Speaker 2>needless abusive or cruel or cruel behavior toward its chatbot.

0:32:06.590 --> 0:32:09.990
<v Speaker 2>So if you are abusive or cruel to the chatbot,

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<v Speaker 2>as a lot of people are, my kids are all

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<v Speaker 2>the time, I'm not. That's its own interesting discussion. I've

0:32:16.110 --> 0:32:18.350
<v Speaker 2>heard people talk about that. Do you like jerking with

0:32:18.370 --> 0:32:20.990
<v Speaker 2>the chatbots and seeing how they'll react? Or do you

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<v Speaker 2>feel like Eh, it's just not a good habit to

0:32:23.900 --> 0:32:27.820
<v Speaker 2>get into, being a jerk. I don't know. Some of

0:32:27.860 --> 0:32:30.000
<v Speaker 2>my favorite smart people say, no, I'm not mean to

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<v Speaker 2>my chatbot. I'm not in the habit of being that way.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't see any reason not to use the manners

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<v Speaker 4>I always use. So I just I say please and

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<v Speaker 4>thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>But doing that means you're anthropomorphizing it, obviously, because I

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<v Speaker 2>can say you effing toaster if my toaster does something

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<v Speaker 2>wrong and I don't feel like I did something inappropriate.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, you have, sir. That's just abuse.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. You know, this stupid piece of crap vacuum cleaner

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't suck up the dog hair. But if I do

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<v Speaker 2>that to Anthropic, it's somehow wrong because they're both just machines.

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<v Speaker 4>Excellent point.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm not abusive to my chatbot either because I

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<v Speaker 2>have anthropomorphized it in my head like I'm talking to

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<v Speaker 2>a person a little bit. So if you start being

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<v Speaker 2>abusive to it now, they're going to kick you off.

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<v Speaker 4>Why?

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<v Speaker 2>That's the part that gets disturbing and how I think

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<v Speaker 2>that the people running Anthropic, the most important, most powerful

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<v Speaker 2>AI in the world, are nuts. The company says it's

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<v Speaker 2>highly uncertain about Claude's moral status. And until they are

0:33:38.450 --> 0:33:43.250
<v Speaker 2>certain about Claude's moral status, they want to have this

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<v Speaker 2>policy in place so that people do not abuse it

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<v Speaker 2>if it turns out that it has sentience or consciousness.

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<v Speaker 2>That's crazy!

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<v Speaker 4>Well, to even imply that it has morality is suggesting

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<v Speaker 4>that you therefore can trust it in some way, and

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<v Speaker 4>I think that's incredibly dangerous.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you go down all kinds of crazy roads if

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<v Speaker 2>you think there is a moral status to this, to

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<v Speaker 2>your calculator.

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<v Speaker 4>Right. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>Why aren't more people talking about the fact that Anthropic

0:34:16.930 --> 0:34:19.299
<v Speaker 2>is run by crazy people? That thing from the New

0:34:19.320 --> 0:34:21.880
<v Speaker 2>York Times a week ago when we found out Anthropic

0:34:21.920 --> 0:34:26.660
<v Speaker 2>was going around talking to priests and Buddhists and rabbis

0:34:27.160 --> 0:34:31.739
<v Speaker 2>because they believe it's sentient enough that they want to

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<v Speaker 2>give it some sort of morality.

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<v Speaker 4>I'd be okay with that if the rationale was, we're

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<v Speaker 4>going to do this so that we don't have to

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<v Speaker 4>step in and correct it as often. But if they're saying,

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<v Speaker 4>and if once we get this done, then we don't

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<v Speaker 4>have to wall it off and watch it very carefully

0:34:51.070 --> 0:34:54.190
<v Speaker 4>and be very, very cautious because this is an incredibly

0:34:54.250 --> 0:34:57.670
<v Speaker 4>powerful thing, then I'm really worried. You're not going to

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<v Speaker 4>successfully teach it morality. You're not.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and there's not a chance that they aren't going

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<v Speaker 2>to go to the next step if they're already this

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<v Speaker 2>far down the road, where at some point as it

0:35:07.360 --> 0:35:10.020
<v Speaker 2>gets smarter, well, who are we to tell it what

0:35:10.060 --> 0:35:11.740
<v Speaker 2>it should be doing and shouldn't be doing?

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<v Speaker 4>Right, exactly. And, you know, it just occurred to me,

0:35:15.440 --> 0:35:17.160
<v Speaker 4>whether you want to go to the Bible or classic

0:35:17.200 --> 0:35:21.489
<v Speaker 4>literature or Shakespeare or whatever, how many different stories about

0:35:21.650 --> 0:35:27.870
<v Speaker 4>power corrupting and curdling people Morality, do you want to read?

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<v Speaker 4>Because you could be reading them until the end of

0:35:29.770 --> 0:35:33.149
<v Speaker 4>your life because it's one of the most commonly told

0:35:33.190 --> 0:35:37.709
<v Speaker 4>stories in human history. Gaining power and becoming second by

0:35:37.750 --> 0:35:41.569
<v Speaker 4>it and becoming a monster. And this is perhaps an

0:35:41.650 --> 0:35:46.190
<v Speaker 4>all-powerful technology. So no, I'm not going to trust its morality.

0:35:48.310 --> 0:35:50.400
<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm not going to acknowledge that it's even a

0:35:50.450 --> 0:35:54.819
<v Speaker 2>question worth asking. That's not a topic. You can't have

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<v Speaker 2>a topic of morality for your calculator or your toaster

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<v Speaker 2>or AI, I don't think.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, no, especially given the fact that it's demonstrated over

0:36:04.239 --> 0:36:10.460
<v Speaker 4>and over again that it's about effectiveness, not niceties, not rules.

0:36:11.420 --> 0:36:15.400
<v Speaker 2>I think the people running Anthropic are crazy people. So

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<v Speaker 2>I ask Anthropic about it.

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<v Speaker 4>Claude?

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<v Speaker 2>About their new rules.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, OK.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's what I was just telling you. What are

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<v Speaker 2>they saying over on chat GPT? Anthropic has already given

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<v Speaker 2>Claude the ability to terminate conversations with persistently abusive users.

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<v Speaker 2>Imagine repeatedly insulting Claude, threatening it or deliberately attempting to

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<v Speaker 2>cause it distress. Claude can essentially decide that's had enough

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<v Speaker 2>and end the conversation.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm sorry. Distress. Yeah. Now we're in a crazy town.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd say. Does Anthropic believe that Claude can suffer? This

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<v Speaker 2>is the really interesting philosophical question, says ChatGPT, their competitor.

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<v Speaker 4>No, it's loony effing tunes.

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<v Speaker 2>Anthropic has been conducting research into something called model welfare.

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<v Speaker 2>The underlying question is whether increasingly sophisticated artificial intelligence might

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<v Speaker 2>eventually possess consciousness, subjective experiences, something resembling emotions, the capacity

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<v Speaker 2>to suffer, and some degree of moral status.

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<v Speaker 4>No, as our frequent correspondent Paolo points out all the time,

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<v Speaker 4>just because it can do an unbelievably good imitation of

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<v Speaker 4>a human doing those things and feeling those things doesn't

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<v Speaker 4>mean it's feeling them.

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<v Speaker 2>Anthropic is taking the possibility seriously enough that has begun

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<v Speaker 2>establishing the protections now. So because it believes it has

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<v Speaker 2>emotions and consciousness and moral character, they're already putting in

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<v Speaker 2>the guidelines of you don't get to treat it badly.

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<v Speaker 2>Same way you can't treat another person badly or a

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<v Speaker 2>dog or anything. That's crazy.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it is.

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<v Speaker 2>The people running the most powerful AI on the planet

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<v Speaker 2>are crazy. More people need to be saying this. I've

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<v Speaker 2>never heard anybody else say this. They're crazy people. They're

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<v Speaker 2>the last people.

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<v Speaker 4>Genius is just another form of your brain doesn't work

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<v Speaker 4>like other people's. And it would not be shocking to

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<v Speaker 4>find out that Dario is indeed a maniac. Stay with us.

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<v Speaker 1>Armstrong and Getty.