1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: And we continue at two oh five in the afternoon 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:06,720 Speaker 1: on the John and Phillips Show. Mister Randy wanings across 3 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:09,600 Speaker 1: the glass Well. That was fast. Karen Bassett. A press 4 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:13,120 Speaker 1: conference this morning announced that it's no longer Caesar Chavez Day. 5 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 1: On the thirty first, it's farm Worker's Day. I guess 6 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:21,119 Speaker 1: there's already a move in San Francisco to change the 7 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:23,239 Speaker 1: name of the street back to what it was before, 8 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 1: Army Street. That's right. Eight hundred two two two five 9 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 1: two two two is a telephone number one eight hundred 10 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:34,279 Speaker 1: two two two five two two two. It is our 11 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 1: pleasure and welcome our next guest to the program. He 12 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 1: is a columnist for Calmatters. You can read him online 13 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 1: at calmatters dot org and follow him on exit Dan Calmatters, 14 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 1: Dan Walters. Welcome, yoh, thank you well, thanks so much 15 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: for stopping by. And it's been a wild week here 16 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 1: in California just watching all of this news about Caesar 17 00:00:55,880 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 1: Chavez drop where not only are we learning shocking detail, 18 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:04,759 Speaker 1: shocking allegations that are coming out against him from some 19 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 1: of those who were the closest to him in his 20 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:10,119 Speaker 1: social network back when he was running the United farm 21 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 1: Workers but how fast everyone just seems to be dropping 22 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 1: him where. They're changing the names of holidays, they're changing 23 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:21,400 Speaker 1: the names of schools, they're changing the names of streets, 24 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 1: you name it. They can't erase this guy fast enough, No, 25 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 1: it can't. 26 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 2: It's it is an amazing thing. How uh you know, 27 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 2: you kind of look at this in an historic context. 28 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:37,039 Speaker 2: It's not unusual to find out that people who are 29 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 2: considered to be kind of heroic figures at the time 30 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:44,400 Speaker 2: if stuff comes out about them later on and later 31 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 2: on about that happened John Kennedy, Lyndon Johnson, and I 32 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 2: mean there, you know, it's this is a it's a thing. 33 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 2: If you know about history, you know that it takes 34 00:01:56,200 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 2: a while for the full story to come out about 35 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 2: historic characters, and that the instant judgment when they're when 36 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 2: they're famous at the time doesn't necessarily mean they'll stay 37 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 2: that way in the long run. It is a it 38 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 2: is a it's an interesting phenomena. This is probably one 39 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 2: of the most spectacular examples of that from a guy 40 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:22,640 Speaker 2: who was basically almost a living god, you know in 41 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:25,640 Speaker 2: many circles to Hey, you know, had a bust of 42 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:28,960 Speaker 2: him in the Oval office with Joe Biden's there and 43 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 2: things like that. How fast you know, he just completely 44 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 2: does a fast turn around, a one hundred and eighty 45 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 2: degree turn in nanoseconds. I mean, it's interesting that the 46 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 2: la that they excuse me, the New York Times spent 47 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 2: five years pursuing this story. It's very interesting. 48 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 1: Why now, why do you think all of this is 49 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 1: coming out now? And it seemed like everyone knew it 50 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 1: was coming, or everyone in that world knew it was coming, 51 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 1: because they all had statements ready to go before the 52 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:59,519 Speaker 1: piece even dropped where they announced that they would be 53 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 1: dropping him from whatever it was that, whatever affiliations they 54 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:04,920 Speaker 1: had with him. 55 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 2: No, I don't think. I don't think it was known 56 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 2: in advance. As soon as the as the New York 57 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 2: Times story hit, that's when it happened. But people around 58 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 2: Caesar Chavez knew about this, and they were it was 59 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 2: a cover up. Perhaps maybe that's too strong a word, 60 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 2: but an unwillingness to let the movement get tarnished by that, 61 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 2: and that was what, of course, Dolores Wuerta said, she claimed, 62 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 2: and she says she was rased twice by Cesar Chavez, 63 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 2: but she stayed quiet about it because she did not 64 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 2: want to spoil the movement, but it was known in 65 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 2: his circles. There was a book written about Caesar Chavez 66 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 2: about twenty years ago, and it went into the kind 67 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 2: of the seamier side of his career and that he 68 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 2: had developed as kind of a cult of the personality 69 00:03:56,520 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 2: and kind of got full of himself, so to speak. 70 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 2: And so there was that was a kind of the 71 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 2: be opening thing of well, maybe this guy isn't so 72 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 2: great after all. And that book was denounced in many circles, 73 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:12,839 Speaker 2: Oh can you say such a thing, and ah blah, 74 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 2: blah blah. But it was the first hint that there 75 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:20,159 Speaker 2: was something a darker side to Caesar Chavez than most 76 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 2: people thought at the time, that about twenty years ago you. 77 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 1: Put out an interesting tweet where you said a bit 78 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 1: of Caesar Chavez trivia. He delivered a presidential nominating speech 79 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:36,719 Speaker 1: for Jerry Brown at the nineteen seventy six Democratic Convention. 80 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:41,159 Speaker 1: Brown's other nominating speaker was Edwin Edwards, the governor of 81 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 1: Louisiana who later went to prison on a variety of 82 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 1: corruption charges. He's the one who ran against David Duke 83 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:49,919 Speaker 1: and said, the only way I'm going to lose this 84 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:51,839 Speaker 1: election is if they catch me in bed with a 85 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 1: dead girl or a live boy. 86 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:56,040 Speaker 2: Yep, that's him all right. Quite a character. 87 00:04:57,880 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 1: And Caesar was very close to Jerry Brown. 88 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 2: Yeah they were. I don't know how personally close they were, 89 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:12,160 Speaker 2: they certainly were allies. And that one of Jerry Brown's 90 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 2: first things he did and becoming governor in nineteen seventy 91 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 2: five was to try to get past a farm labor 92 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:27,479 Speaker 2: bill to oversee union elections in the fields. And and 93 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 2: he got it. He got it. It took a number 94 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:32,720 Speaker 2: of months and a lot of back room negotiating with 95 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 2: the farm community to get it done, but he did 96 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:38,799 Speaker 2: get it done. So it gave the farm workers Union 97 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 2: a kind of a legal standing that didn't have before. 98 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 2: I remember the National Labor Relations Act excludes farm workers, 99 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 2: so that they needed one at the state level to 100 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 2: have traction, so that they could compel farmers to have 101 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 2: elections and negotiate contracts. As it turned out, it didn't 102 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:06,040 Speaker 2: do very much for the union for a lot of reasons. 103 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 2: It never it never had the success story that they 104 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:12,479 Speaker 2: were hoping to have for a lot of other reasons 105 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 2: that came about afterwards. But yeah, Jerry Brown was did 106 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 2: a big favorite for season Chevet by getting that legislation passed. 107 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 1: You have a peace out now that talks about the 108 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 1: state's law on minimum wage twenty dollars minimum wage for 109 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 1: fast food workers, and you wanted to take a look 110 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:36,839 Speaker 1: at what impact it would have on that industry and 111 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:39,920 Speaker 1: for consumers here in California a fast food What did 112 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 1: you find. 113 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 2: Well, it's not what I found, it's what a group 114 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:48,600 Speaker 2: of researchers that Santa Cruz found. They went out an 115 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 2: economics lecturer there on the faculty, got it, put together 116 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:56,839 Speaker 2: a team of undergraduates at you see, Santa Cruz, and 117 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:59,919 Speaker 2: they went out and actually talked to fast food opera 118 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 2: readers in Santa Cruz and over in the Central Valley, 119 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 2: more than one hundred of them. They visited them, said 120 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 2: what happened after this twenty dollars wage went into effect, 121 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 2: which went in effect exactly two years ago this coming 122 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 2: next month in April, and they that's what they want 123 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 2: to know. How did it really work, you know, not 124 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 2: how it theoretically, how did it really worked? And what 125 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 2: they found was what really seemed logical at the time 126 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 2: and what the industry said at the time when they 127 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 2: were passing this legislation back in twenty twenty three, that 128 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 2: it would raise costs which they would have to pass 129 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 2: on to consumers, so it would raise prices of fast food. 130 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 2: It would make them cut down on their labor costs 131 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 2: by limiting over time or going to automation. They said 132 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 2: all this back in twenty twenty three, and the advocates 133 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 2: of the bill said, no, no, no, that that won't happen. 134 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 2: People were just going to do something for the fast 135 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 2: food workers and so they can earn a better living. Well, 136 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 2: this study that was done in the field, unit by 137 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 2: unit found it exactly what the industry said. It did 138 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 2: all of these things. It raised prices, it lowered the 139 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:19,679 Speaker 2: number of jobs and fast food, and it brought automation along. 140 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 2: Not only did it create fewer jobs, but the owners, 141 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 2: because of the twenty dollars wage, also would not let 142 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 2: their workers run over time, so they cut down their hours. 143 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 2: In addition having fewer workers, the workers that were kept 144 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 2: on the payroll worked fewer hours to for to try 145 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 2: to make up for the fact that they were gonna 146 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:44,960 Speaker 2: have to pay twenty dollars tower, and it still again 147 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:48,319 Speaker 2: raised prices of food. So yeah, that's what happened, and 148 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:53,679 Speaker 2: it was kind of like economics, one a to expect that. 149 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:56,840 Speaker 2: But at the time, the people who supported this bill, 150 00:08:56,880 --> 00:08:59,079 Speaker 2: there were some union people, a lot of Democrats, and 151 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 2: legislature of course signed by Governor Newsom, said no, this 152 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 2: is just going to be this is not going to 153 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:07,079 Speaker 2: have any great fake other than the fast food workers 154 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:10,680 Speaker 2: will make more money. Well, this is what happened. 155 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 1: I'll tell you something else, and I don't know if 156 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 1: it showed up in the study or not, but just 157 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:19,560 Speaker 1: something that I've observed myself anecdotally, and that is, you 158 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 1: go into a McDonald's early in the morning. I go 159 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 1: to bed early, I wake up early, so when I 160 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 1: go and pick up coffee, I'm usually there pretty early 161 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 1: in the morning. And you see the old timers that 162 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 1: are all sitting there together with the newspaper open, and 163 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 1: they're talking about the games the night before, and they're 164 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 1: talking about the headlines and all of that. We've all 165 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 1: seen it a million times when elderly people go into 166 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 1: these fast food joints. They don't want to use the kiosk, 167 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 1: they don't want to order off of the app on 168 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:50,560 Speaker 1: their iPhone. Some of them don't have iPhones. They don't 169 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 1: know how to order it off of a phone. They 170 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:55,840 Speaker 1: like walking in and seeing a person there that they 171 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 1: can talk to and they can order their food from. 172 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:03,200 Speaker 1: In so many of these locations, there's not even the 173 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 1: ability to order your food from a live human. All 174 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 1: of it has to be done from a kiosk or 175 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 1: your phone. And if you don't know how to use 176 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:15,560 Speaker 1: the kiosk or your phone, you're out of luck. I 177 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 1: would imagine that since they moved to automation and they 178 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:21,560 Speaker 1: got rid of all of these people, the experience for 179 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 1: seniors who want to go in there and talk to 180 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 1: a real life human being got a whole lot worse. 181 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think in most of these places, if you 182 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:31,439 Speaker 2: stand there long enough, somebody will come out and take 183 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 2: your order. But there's not anybody stationed at the cash 184 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 2: register typically. But like I said, once in a while, 185 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 2: the glance out there and see if fenty bunch and 186 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:44,680 Speaker 2: they will come out and take your order. But it 187 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:46,559 Speaker 2: takes it's while to do it, and it's not something 188 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:49,320 Speaker 2: that's done regularly. You're right, they expect you to use 189 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:52,599 Speaker 2: the kiosk. Many times they're out of order, by the 190 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 2: way I have experience, and so when I wrote about 191 00:10:57,679 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 2: this in twenty eighteen because I saw my first McDonald's kiosk. 192 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 2: I happened to be in Pisimo Beach and I hadn't 193 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 2: seen him before, and I wrote a column about how 194 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 2: this he's Kiosks and it was a part of a 195 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:15,680 Speaker 2: thing that what was going on at that time is 196 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:18,960 Speaker 2: that the state had raised the overall minimum wage for 197 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:22,440 Speaker 2: everybody and this was a response to that. So it 198 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:27,679 Speaker 2: began that with that. Uh And at the time McDonald's 199 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:29,440 Speaker 2: people said, no, no, no, this has nothing to do 200 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 2: with cutting costs. This is so that our people can 201 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 2: go deliver the food to your table more easily, and 202 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:39,880 Speaker 2: it's just it's a it's a convenience thing. But it 203 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 2: was pretty obvious at the time that they saw the 204 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:45,080 Speaker 2: handwriting on the wall that the minimum wage is going 205 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 2: to go up and they were going to do what 206 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:50,080 Speaker 2: they could to offset that with automation. Like I said, 207 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 2: this is this was eight years ago, so you know 208 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 2: this has been going on for a while. 209 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 1: We're speaking with Dan Walters, who you can follow on 210 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:01,319 Speaker 1: x at Dan Callmatters. 211 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 2: Dan. 212 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:05,080 Speaker 1: There is a new poll out for the mayor of 213 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 1: Los Angeles that shows her at nineteen point something percent 214 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 1: of the electorate getting behind her for reelection. Spencer Pratt, 215 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:18,720 Speaker 1: the reality show star, came in second place, and Nitia Ramin, 216 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 1: the socialist member of the city council, came in third place. 217 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 1: If you're an incumbent running for reelection and you end 218 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 1: up with nineteen point whatever percent of the vote in 219 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:34,080 Speaker 1: a poll, that puts you in the danger zone before 220 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 1: you we just had Spencer Pratt in studio here for 221 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 1: an hour where I peppered him with questions about issues 222 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 1: going on in the city. And I'll tell you it 223 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 1: was unbelievably refreshing because, unlike a lot of politicians, he 224 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:51,080 Speaker 1: answered all of the questions directly. He had clearly thought 225 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 1: it through, he had clearly done his reading. And I 226 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 1: think that when you look at what Karen bass is 227 00:12:57,000 --> 00:13:00,720 Speaker 1: or how she's playing this election, she's trying to pump 228 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 1: him up to make sure that he's the one that 229 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:05,320 Speaker 1: ends up on the November ballot with her, because she 230 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 1: thinks he would be easier to beat than a socialist candidate. 231 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 1: And I look at this and I say, lady, be 232 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 1: careful with what you wish for, because I remember in 233 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 1: twenty sixteen when Hillary Clinton wanted to run against Donald 234 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:18,239 Speaker 1: Trump because. 235 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:20,440 Speaker 2: She thought stop over him will. 236 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 1: And I'll tell you after spending an hour in here 237 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:25,440 Speaker 1: with him, she better watch out. 238 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I think I don't think there's any doubt. 239 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 2: I mean, if they have obvious for months that Karen 240 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 2: bass Is is a troubled politician and she she was 241 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 2: in trouble if she had an acceptable opponent, that's her 242 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 2: because you know, as you know, in elections it's not 243 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 2: only people don't people don't just vote for somebody, they 244 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 2: also vote against somebody. And if she had an acceptable 245 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 2: opponent that she might be in trouble in prep may 246 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 2: be that acceptable point, although she has to look at 247 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 2: it this way. She doing better than all the Democrats 248 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 2: in the poll for governor. 249 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:07,440 Speaker 1: That's very true. None of them have hit nineteen percent. 250 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 2: They top out right now in the latest poll of 251 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:11,080 Speaker 2: thirteen percent. 252 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:16,320 Speaker 1: What's going on with that? Because right now, the latest 253 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 1: poll that came out shows the two Republicans in first 254 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 1: and second place, with Eric Swallwell and Katie Porter being 255 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 1: the top two performing Democrats. This is not a one off. 256 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 1: We've seen these results before, and we've seen them enough 257 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 1: times to where well, clearly the chairman of the Democratic 258 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 1: Party is worried about it. But do you think that 259 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 1: the alarm bells are going off right now at Democratic 260 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 1: Party headquarters all over the state. 261 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 2: I think they are, And I also think they don't 262 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 2: know what to do about it. Frankly, they've tried, you know, 263 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 2: they publicly have asked people to drop out. They got 264 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 2: one guy that dropped out and call their own, but 265 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:58,160 Speaker 2: everybody else is staying in. Even the people are down 266 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 2: there in that poll at one percent. Ee and and 267 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 2: Tony Thurman, they're at one percent and they're still there. 268 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 2: In fact, I was at a a forum for the 269 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 2: candidates just a few hours ago here in Sacramento. Only 270 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 2: four of them showed up, by the way, Uh and uh, 271 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 2: those two plus Villa Ragosa and Tom Sire were the 272 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 2: only ones who showed up. I mean, what struck me 273 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 2: about that is there were like thousands of people at 274 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 2: this housing conference. These were left leaning activists, I'm sure 275 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 2: about ninety nine percent Republicans. It was all about low 276 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 2: income housing and so forth, and yet only four Democratic 277 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 2: candidates showed up for this forum. I mean, it's just 278 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 2: it's just it's weird. It's weird. It's like everybody had 279 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 2: a death wish or something. It's I mean, look at 280 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 2: the the state Federation of Unions couldn't decide on a candidate, 281 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 2: so they endorsed four of them. I mean, this is 282 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 2: this is a really a weird situation. It's a it's 283 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 2: something to do with a fact. I think, just as 284 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 2: guessing that a party that is so dominant in the 285 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 2: state just kind of takes it all for granted. It 286 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 2: can't really generate any real enthusiasm within the party or 287 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:29,120 Speaker 2: outside the party or anywhere else. This is a very, 288 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 2: very weird election. And yes, the two Republicans are sitting 289 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 2: in there at the top, not you know, not huge number, 290 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 2: what sixteen seventeen percent, But here we are. You know, 291 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 2: it's we think about the election in June. The voting 292 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 2: in this election begins in the first week of May. 293 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 2: That's not very long away you think about it. It's 294 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 2: about what eight weeks or something like that, six seven weeks. 295 00:16:56,760 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 2: And yet here we are with the top Democrats, two 296 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 2: Democrats stating there at thirteen percent each, followed by Tom Steyer, 297 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 2: who spent fifty million dollars to finally get himself into 298 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 2: ten percent. This is a very weird election that you 299 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:22,400 Speaker 2: just cannot handicap by any traditional way. So could two 300 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 2: Republicans wind up one two? Yeah, it could happen, It's 301 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:29,680 Speaker 2: still not can't say it's likely to happen. But and 302 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:34,440 Speaker 2: interestingly enough, the only probably the only way a Republican 303 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:37,359 Speaker 2: could be elected governor is for those two guys to 304 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 2: finish one two, because if it's only one of them, 305 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:43,200 Speaker 2: they'll probably get blown away by the Democrat. So there's 306 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:47,639 Speaker 2: the discussion. Also a question for the Republican Party. Do 307 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 2: they their only chance probably having a governor, to have 308 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:54,400 Speaker 2: their candidates finish one too? So what's being what are 309 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:58,120 Speaker 2: the Republicans doing to help thatdd long That's another question, right, 310 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 2: But this thing is just weird. It's just a strange 311 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 2: set of dynamics that unlike anything I've ever seen and 312 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 2: anything I have ever heard about in California politics to 313 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 2: have this kind of dynamic at this point in the 314 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:14,480 Speaker 2: in the election year. 315 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 1: Dan Walters, dean of the Sacramento Press Corps, columnist for 316 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 1: cal Matters. You can read them online at calmatters dot 317 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 1: org and follow him on exit Dan Callmatters. Dan Walters, 318 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 1: thanks so much for joining us. 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Poor Katie. 365 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 3: You can small it right here. 366 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 1: For more on the latest Paul here is NBC LA 367 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:14,439 Speaker 1: and Conan Nolan. 368 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 4: There are less than three months ago now before California's 369 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:21,400 Speaker 4: June primary, and the status faced with a historic, unprecedented 370 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 4: possibility two Republicans heading into the November runoff. 371 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:25,920 Speaker 2: It is. 372 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 1: You know, there may be Californians that don't even know 373 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:31,160 Speaker 1: there's an election, because even though Tom Steyer is buying 374 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 1: every ad, there are some people that get click on 375 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:36,439 Speaker 1: the TV every time they see his face, so they 376 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:40,240 Speaker 1: don't even know why he's on the TV. Well, if 377 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 1: Tom Steyer keeps buying up all of the inventory, what's 378 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:45,160 Speaker 1: o ZIMPA gonna do. 379 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 4: Two Republicans heading into them. 380 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 1: He's gonna buy so much time they're going to start 381 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 1: selling split screen ads. 382 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 4: Two Republicans heading into the November runoff. 383 00:21:56,320 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 5: It is a scenario that may have just been solidified 384 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 5: according to them. 385 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:05,200 Speaker 1: No, it hasn't. It may be possible, but it has 386 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 1: not been solidified. 387 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:10,200 Speaker 5: Colleen may have just been solidified according to the latest 388 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:13,399 Speaker 5: poll from UC Berkeley. Rcona. Nolan joins his life from 389 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:15,679 Speaker 5: the newsroom to break it down and to explain this 390 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 5: con it right. 391 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 6: So, this is a potential nightmare scenario for the California 392 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 6: Democratic Party and the millions of registered Democrats in this 393 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:26,359 Speaker 6: very blue state. There are so many Democrats running for 394 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:28,880 Speaker 6: governor that they're splitting up the vote and that could 395 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:32,359 Speaker 6: result in the two leading Republicans finishing one and two 396 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:36,119 Speaker 6: in June, meaning they would go on and only them 397 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 6: onto the November runoff. 398 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 1: Now, if that happens, the top two primary system will 399 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:45,200 Speaker 1: be repealed in. 400 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 6: January onto the November runoff. Now here's the poll of 401 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:53,480 Speaker 6: the UC Berkeley Center for Governmental Studies in La Times 402 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:57,400 Speaker 6: Steve Hilton and Chad Bianco. Hilton, the former Fox News host, Chadbianco, 403 00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:01,159 Speaker 6: the Riverside County sheriff one and two, followed I eight Democrats, 404 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:04,119 Speaker 6: Eric Swallwell, the Democratic congressman from the Bay Area, Katie 405 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:07,880 Speaker 6: porter of Orange County, former Congresswoman Tom Starr, the billionaire 406 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 6: out of the Bay Area in double digits. 407 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 1: They are, although he's polling lower than he was. Again, 408 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:17,880 Speaker 1: you know, different polls can sample different things. They're all 409 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 1: within the margin of error of each other. But you're 410 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 1: seeing a little bit of momentum. Maybe not happening with 411 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:27,159 Speaker 1: all the money that Styr is spending. With all the 412 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:29,760 Speaker 1: money that he's spending, he should be in first or 413 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:34,200 Speaker 1: second place. You would assume, I mean, voters are dumb, 414 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:36,919 Speaker 1: but they're not that dumb. Again, if money could really 415 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:40,200 Speaker 1: buy you elections, Rick Caruso would be mayor of Los 416 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 1: Angeles right now, and Al Checki would have been governor 417 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:47,679 Speaker 1: a long time ago. Money doesn't buy you everything. Just 418 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:50,439 Speaker 1: ask Meg Whitman. You know one thing it does by you? 419 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 1: What's that happiness? You know how you can tell hand 420 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:56,919 Speaker 1: me one hundred dollars and watch me smile. 421 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:02,640 Speaker 6: Out of the Bay Area in double digits, they are 422 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:07,200 Speaker 6: in the running. Then's the secondary of candidate's former HHS secretary. 423 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 6: Have you ever Sarah five percent former? 424 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,199 Speaker 1: How do you feel if you're baky Rhea and you 425 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:14,120 Speaker 1: turn on the TV to Channel four and they refer 426 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:17,439 Speaker 1: to you as second tier. Oh he's not gonna like that. 427 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:21,880 Speaker 1: I mean, it's true, but it's still got to hurt. 428 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 1: Scrub it. And you know, he's been running for about 429 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:28,000 Speaker 1: a year now and he never really upholled ever above 430 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 1: five percent. And I think it's because his first interview 431 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,720 Speaker 1: was with Alex Michaelson and he said this over and 432 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:38,640 Speaker 1: over and over again. Scrub it. He sounded like my dentist. 433 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:42,879 Speaker 1: Scrub it. 434 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:47,640 Speaker 6: Then's the secondary of candidate's former hhis Secretary Javiervera Sarah 435 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,880 Speaker 6: five percent, former mayor of La Antonio Viragosa four. 436 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:56,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's never broken above five percent either. He's on 437 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:58,480 Speaker 1: the show tomorrow. By the way, you may have just 438 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:06,560 Speaker 1: cursed it. Oh maybe he'll be here. 439 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:11,359 Speaker 6: Mayheen, he's the mayor of San Jose if just four percent. 440 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,800 Speaker 1: Now, the last poll I think for this thing had 441 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 1: Mayhean at two percent. So it's increasing, but it's increasing slowly. 442 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:23,159 Speaker 1: And Mayheen is spending money, yes, and he's got a 443 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,359 Speaker 1: lot of it to spend. And not only does he 444 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 1: have a lot of it to spend, but they're independent 445 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:32,480 Speaker 1: expenditure groups that support him that are also well financed. 446 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 6: Mayheen, he's the mayor of San Jose if just four percent, 447 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,399 Speaker 6: Betti Yee the former controller at one Tony Thurman the 448 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 6: superintendent of schools at one other. 449 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, at that point, I mean, I know we're still 450 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:47,159 Speaker 1: like two and a half months out, but what are 451 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 1: Ye and Thurman doing? Well? Don't forget what John Fleischman 452 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 1: said when he was on this program. Part of their 453 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:58,720 Speaker 1: calculus is that if you're the California Teachers Association, who 454 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:01,640 Speaker 1: is not endorsed any when yet, and you're looking at 455 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:05,040 Speaker 1: this field and you go, Okay, Styre's a billionaire, we'd 456 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:09,199 Speaker 1: have limited control over him. Katie Porter is bipolar, so 457 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:14,480 Speaker 1: who wants to bet on that? And Eric Swallwell is 458 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:18,359 Speaker 1: someone who would immediately start running for president and would 459 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 1: not care about California in the slightest. So he's going 460 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,919 Speaker 1: to do what works out best for him in terms 461 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 1: of his presidential aspirations. If you're the CTA and everyone 462 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:35,680 Speaker 1: is bunched together in low digits, why not get behind 463 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:39,040 Speaker 1: someone like a Bettye or a Tony Thurman and go, 464 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,480 Speaker 1: We're going to spend shocking all money on your behalf. 465 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 1: We're going to push you over the finish line and 466 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:50,000 Speaker 1: the moment that happens, we own you. Well, you could happen, 467 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 1: but you could also see what happened with the California 468 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:57,640 Speaker 1: Federation of Labor where Lorraine Gonzalez says, we're endorsing four candidates. 469 00:26:58,080 --> 00:26:59,159 Speaker 1: I don't understand that. 470 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 6: Bettie the former controller at one, Tony Thurman the superintendent 471 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,520 Speaker 6: of schools at one others undecided sixteen. This has the 472 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,640 Speaker 6: Democratic Party so concerned they're putting a pull up. 473 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:13,239 Speaker 1: Yes, in this specific poll, undecided polled any better than 474 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:16,600 Speaker 1: every Democrat running. What does that tell you about the 475 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 1: population's attitude about the field. They don't know who these 476 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 1: people are. 477 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:23,800 Speaker 5: No, I don't know enough to give you any good information, 478 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:25,480 Speaker 5: but good luck finding someone who does. 479 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:27,920 Speaker 1: And if they do know who Katie Porter is, they've 480 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,399 Speaker 1: seen her work. You're out of my shot. 481 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:35,119 Speaker 6: Schools at one others undecided sixteen. This has the Democratic 482 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 6: Party so concerned they're putting a pull up for the 483 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,680 Speaker 6: next several weeks in order to show the candidates how 484 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:44,040 Speaker 6: poorly they're doing and try to get a few of 485 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:44,680 Speaker 6: them at least. 486 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 1: Oh, I can't wait for those to start coming out. 487 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the shame, all the candidates who aren't doing well. 488 00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:53,199 Speaker 6: To drop out in order to solidify the vote for 489 00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:57,000 Speaker 6: one of the leading contenders. Here's Robin Swanson. Swanson are 490 00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:57,960 Speaker 6: the Democratic Party. 491 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 7: I think Kerhicks has said it best that he wants 492 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 7: people to really do an honest assessment of their path. 493 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:11,640 Speaker 1: To victory, especially if you're a candidate of color, and. 494 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:15,120 Speaker 7: How viable their path is. And as a result, he 495 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:16,640 Speaker 7: has commissioned a. 496 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 1: Poll by you know what, we got to really break 497 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:22,040 Speaker 1: this down in terms that the kids can understand. What 498 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:24,240 Speaker 1: this poll should be called when they put it out 499 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:27,960 Speaker 1: every week is how de lulu are you? This would 500 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,480 Speaker 1: be the equivalent of putting a scale in front of 501 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:37,040 Speaker 1: a refrigerator. It's not a bad idea that soda. Huh, 502 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:39,959 Speaker 1: get on board. Let's see what number we're coming in 503 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:40,520 Speaker 1: at today. 504 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:42,040 Speaker 5: And as a. 505 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 7: Result, he has commissioned a poll by Viterous Research. They're 506 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 7: a Los Angeles based polling firm, and those results will 507 00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:56,760 Speaker 7: be released next week about the Gubernatoil race, and there 508 00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:01,440 Speaker 7: will be polls released every seven to ten days thereafter 509 00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 7: so that candidates can honestly assess whether they have a 510 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:07,640 Speaker 7: viable path to victory. 511 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,960 Speaker 1: And that threatening letter that nobody took seriously except for 512 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:14,720 Speaker 1: Ian Calderon. He said, don't file if you have no path. 513 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,880 Speaker 1: If you do file, we want you out and endorsing 514 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 1: somebody else by April fifteenth. Well, it was easy for 515 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:22,720 Speaker 1: him because he wasn't even at one percent. 516 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 6: Part of the problem for the COUNTI from the Democratic 517 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:29,080 Speaker 6: Party is that these candidates decided to file regardless of 518 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,719 Speaker 6: their standing in the polls, and therefore, even if they 519 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 6: drop out, their name will remain on the ballot, and 520 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:38,280 Speaker 6: that alone could inhibit chances of a Democrat making the runoff. 521 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:39,920 Speaker 6: I'm conan Nola NBC four names. 522 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,880 Speaker 1: I don't know about that, but it is interesting. While 523 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:46,920 Speaker 1: we're talking about the top candidates, let's not forget there 524 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:50,760 Speaker 1: might be as many as thirty to forty names on 525 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:54,479 Speaker 1: that ballot. It's going to be a long ballot. The 526 00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 1: gadflies are also going to be on there, and even 527 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:01,480 Speaker 1: if any of them get half a percent here, it 528 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,440 Speaker 1: could mean when you have the margins so tight here, 529 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:08,840 Speaker 1: it could mean that this thing is still completely wide open. 530 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,040 Speaker 1: Eight hundred two two two five two two two is 531 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 1: telephone number one eight hundred two two two five two 532 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,160 Speaker 1: two two If you'd like to email the show. You 533 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,560 Speaker 1: can do so at Johnny don't like show at gmail 534 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:24,200 Speaker 1: dot com. That's Johnny don't like show at gmail dot 535 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:27,440 Speaker 1: com and Randy Earmonitor in the mail bag. Robert writes 536 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 1: in at Johnny don't like show at gmail dot com. 537 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,640 Speaker 1: On his prediction for the governor's race, it seems likely 538 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,520 Speaker 1: that the two candidates for governor will be Republicans. I 539 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:39,480 Speaker 1: think the Democrats will turn on Katie Porter. Eric Swalwell 540 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:42,640 Speaker 1: has enough name recognition, while Democrats like Tom Steyr only 541 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 1: for his money, they hate Katie Porter. I find it 542 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,480 Speaker 1: so hard to believe that there's only one video of 543 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:51,360 Speaker 1: Katie Porter lashing out of her staff, and I expect 544 00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:54,560 Speaker 1: more videos and testimonies against Katie Porter from her staff 545 00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:57,400 Speaker 1: to ensure Swallowell gets on the ballot. Get out of 546 00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:01,680 Speaker 1: my shot. Do you think we're going to get another 547 00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 1: cooking video this week? 548 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:05,080 Speaker 8: Carrots? 549 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:09,480 Speaker 1: And you know, after she gets the carrots, maybe she'll 550 00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:13,880 Speaker 1: want a croissant. I'm pulling in to the bakery and 551 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:18,720 Speaker 1: Toonio Viragosa joins us tomorrow. All right, so we told 552 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:22,240 Speaker 1: you that Caesar Chavez's name is being ripped off of 553 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:26,000 Speaker 1: buildings far and wide. In California after the allegations of 554 00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:30,480 Speaker 1: sexual assault and rape were unearthed, and one of those 555 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:34,800 Speaker 1: places is San Francisco. Who is going to or who's right? Now, 556 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:36,920 Speaker 1: there's a movement from at least one member of the 557 00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:42,360 Speaker 1: Board of Supervisors to rename Caesar Chavez Street to Army. 558 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:45,920 Speaker 1: That's right, after a major effort in the nineties to 559 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:49,080 Speaker 1: rename Army to Caesar. Now there's an effort to remain 560 00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:52,680 Speaker 1: Caesar to Army. For more, here's ABC seven in the 561 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:56,600 Speaker 1: Bay and the great Leanne Melendez, who worked there when 562 00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:58,160 Speaker 1: this original debate happened. 563 00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,640 Speaker 3: Back now to our coverage the sex abuse allegations against 564 00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,600 Speaker 3: civil rights icons as our javas in the early nineties, 565 00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,160 Speaker 3: San Francisco decided it was time to honor him by 566 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,720 Speaker 3: attica his name to buildings and a well known street. 567 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:13,000 Speaker 9: Now, much to the disappointment of many, it is almost 568 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,920 Speaker 9: certain that will have to change. An ABC seven eyewitness 569 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:19,560 Speaker 9: news reporter land Melendez remembers the controversy that intensified in 570 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,640 Speaker 9: nineteen ninety five and is here we covered that back then? 571 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:26,400 Speaker 8: I did? We did now? It was really really intense 572 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,320 Speaker 8: and it was at times very ugly. I remember now 573 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:32,479 Speaker 8: for years, some people kept on calling it Army Street. 574 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,760 Speaker 8: A few still do today. Now we're going to hear 575 00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:37,480 Speaker 8: from Susan Leel, the supervisor. 576 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:39,720 Speaker 1: I gonna imagine if you're door dashing, though you put 577 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:42,120 Speaker 1: in Caesar Chavez Street, Well you do if you want 578 00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:42,840 Speaker 1: your big bag. 579 00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:46,040 Speaker 8: Now we're going to hear from Susan Leel, the supervisor 580 00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:49,600 Speaker 8: who pushed to have the name changed to Seseth Chaves 581 00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:52,560 Speaker 8: in nineteen ninety five. She told me it was the 582 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:58,480 Speaker 8: first time she received death threats. Adding the name Sesth 583 00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:02,400 Speaker 8: Chaves to a major se San Francisco thoroughfare was controversial. 584 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:06,840 Speaker 8: In nineteen ninety five, thirty one years ago, this city 585 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:11,760 Speaker 8: was clearly divided over the proposed name change from Army 586 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:16,160 Speaker 8: to Cesar Chavez Street. This was the sentiment in nineteen 587 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:16,840 Speaker 8: ninety five. 588 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:18,440 Speaker 2: I favor Army Street. 589 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:19,720 Speaker 1: I was born and raised here. 590 00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:23,120 Speaker 8: I think Chevez was an important person, and I think 591 00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,640 Speaker 8: it's wonderful that we honor him this way. The decision 592 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:27,720 Speaker 8: has been made, and Army doesn't mean anything. 593 00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:35,680 Speaker 1: Army doesn't mean anything. Huh, what are you in Switzerland? 594 00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:39,200 Speaker 8: Even after the board of supervisors voted to change the 595 00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:43,040 Speaker 8: name to Cesar Chavez another proposal appeared on the ballot 596 00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,080 Speaker 8: to change it back to Army Street. 597 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:48,160 Speaker 1: Voters, this has been a fight for a long time. 598 00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:50,920 Speaker 8: Voters ended up rejecting it. 599 00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,280 Speaker 10: We may end up with a freeway sign that says 600 00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:54,160 Speaker 10: Chavis Street. 601 00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:58,320 Speaker 8: Then San Francisco Supervisor Susan Leal was the main proponent 602 00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:02,280 Speaker 8: behind naming the street after a labor leader. Today after that. 603 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,600 Speaker 1: By the way, just think about how much time, energy, 604 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:09,759 Speaker 1: and political capital goes into renaming a street. Well, think 605 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,359 Speaker 1: about if your business is on that street, and you 606 00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:16,320 Speaker 1: have stationery, and you have websites, and you have signs 607 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:18,600 Speaker 1: on your building and all those sorts of things. 608 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:23,320 Speaker 8: Today, after the current allegations, everything has changed. 609 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:24,879 Speaker 10: We have to change the name. 610 00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:28,439 Speaker 4: We have to change they have to change an am. 611 00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:32,480 Speaker 8: Yet, there are other notable locations named after Chavez, like 612 00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:36,359 Speaker 8: the San Francisco State University student Union. A mural in 613 00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:39,560 Speaker 8: his honor was also dedicated in nineteen ninety five. 614 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:44,200 Speaker 1: That's going to get tagged, Well, shouldn't they do it 615 00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:47,399 Speaker 1: in an elementary school where everyone is under eighteen, And 616 00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:48,320 Speaker 1: like in many. 617 00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:51,680 Speaker 8: Other cities, a school in San Francisco also bears his name. 618 00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:54,720 Speaker 8: The mural at the school in the Mission District seems 619 00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:58,840 Speaker 8: to portray Chavez as a saintly figure holding the hands 620 00:34:58,840 --> 00:34:59,480 Speaker 8: of children. 621 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 1: Oh boy, don't even start, all right, that'll be good 622 00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:06,120 Speaker 1: for Leale. 623 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:10,120 Speaker 8: It has been a heartbreaking moment in nineteen ninety five. 624 00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:14,200 Speaker 8: There's a quote from you that says, oh, every day 625 00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:17,600 Speaker 8: you look at that street sign, you should feel great. 626 00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:21,680 Speaker 1: I think Caesar said that too to one of them. 627 00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:27,680 Speaker 10: Oh boy, well that just brings tears to me right now, 628 00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:33,120 Speaker 10: because that movement was more than a man. And I 629 00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,759 Speaker 10: remember walking with my mom and she would, you know, 630 00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:38,800 Speaker 10: in some of the protests they had about the farm workers. 631 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,480 Speaker 10: You know, she picked fruit very briefly, but as a 632 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:45,920 Speaker 10: child she picked fruit, so she had a connection to this, 633 00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:50,160 Speaker 10: and so for me, it was very personal, very personal. 634 00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:54,359 Speaker 8: Leale says, perhaps a more suitable name would be end 635 00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,080 Speaker 8: Abuse or Peace. 636 00:35:56,760 --> 00:36:00,839 Speaker 1: Wait, we're gonna call it end Abuse Street? That is 637 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:05,640 Speaker 1: so dumb. Make it Army Street again. Well, you know 638 00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:11,040 Speaker 1: who's from San Francisco, O. J. Simpson. Why not name 639 00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:14,719 Speaker 1: it after him? Oh boy, what's. 640 00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:16,600 Speaker 7: Going on America? 641 00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:20,719 Speaker 8: Leale says, perhaps a more suitable name would be end 642 00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:22,480 Speaker 8: of use or Peace. 643 00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:26,200 Speaker 1: There's going to be a lot of violence on Pace Street. 644 00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:30,320 Speaker 1: I wouldn't do that. Sometimes your name is your destiny. 645 00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:34,359 Speaker 8: And San Francisco Unified issued a statement today saying they 646 00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:39,320 Speaker 8: share in the community's concerns regarding the recent allegations involving 647 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:42,319 Speaker 8: Sessa Chaves. Now, in order to change the name of 648 00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:45,480 Speaker 8: that elementary school, it would require a proposal from a 649 00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:49,760 Speaker 8: school board member and then the entire board would then vote. 650 00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:52,640 Speaker 8: But you know, they say that might take time. But 651 00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,200 Speaker 8: I'm hearing on the street that they are going to 652 00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:58,600 Speaker 8: change names left and right and move quickly, and move quickly. 653 00:36:59,040 --> 00:36:59,960 Speaker 8: I could just see it. 654 00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:05,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you Caesar who, Well, you can just get 655 00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:07,319 Speaker 1: rid of the last name and just I don't know, 656 00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:12,920 Speaker 1: convince people. That's named after the salad, Caesar Salad High School. 657 00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,359 Speaker 1: I'm all about it. Hold the angovies, although I think 658 00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:20,600 Speaker 1: it's spelled differently, is it because Caesar Salad is c 659 00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:23,880 Speaker 1: ae and this is just cees are So maybe you 660 00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:27,280 Speaker 1: put a tiny little a in there. Well, Caesar Salad 661 00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,240 Speaker 1: is not Italian. It's not named after the guy in Rome. 662 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:38,080 Speaker 1: It's some guy who owned a restaurant in Tijuana. There 663 00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:41,239 Speaker 1: you go, the latest thing that's going to not be 664 00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:45,360 Speaker 1: called Caesar Chavez up and down the state of California. 665 00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:48,120 Speaker 1: I would imagine we could turn this into a daily 666 00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:52,440 Speaker 1: segment if we wanted to. Do we want to, probably 667 00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:52,560 Speaker 1: not