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Speaker 1: He's been sitting there waiting on me, and of course

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Speaker 1: you can see him on Channel four. Does a great

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Speaker 2: Ben.

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Speaker 1: How are you on a Saturday.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Bill? Doing well? How are you?

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Speaker 1: I'm doing good? Just looking at numbers, of course, it's

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Speaker 1: really jumping at you in consistent numbers. What have you

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Speaker 2: Well, I think it's just been inconsistent. And you know,

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Speaker 2: runs or three runs or fewer in every game this year.

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Speaker 2: So it's kind of been all or nothing. You know.

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Speaker 2: They had a couple of games where it felt like,

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Speaker 2: oh that you know, the offense is having an outbursts,

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Speaker 2: think a lot of it is they say some very

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean I think early in the season

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Speaker 2: think that it takes everyone a while to get into

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Speaker 2: I'm not overly concerned about the production right now from

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Speaker 1: Ben I also look at the schedule. You got the Yankees,

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Speaker 1: tough two week span for them, and I'm not making

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Speaker 1: that is a great, great start. You can't get buried.

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Speaker 1: So you got to win a couple of these games.

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Speaker 1: If you can come out of this Mets series two

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right. I mean it is a tough start

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Speaker 2: have been nice to get one of the doormats of

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Speaker 2: think you're right. I mean, it's such a long season.

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Speaker 2: You obviously can't make the playoffs in April. You don't

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Speaker 1: course you can see him on kron Ford does a

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Speaker 1: great job on sports. You were out there, like you

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Speaker 1: this takes a big name out of this lineup. When

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think the Mets have been struggling, you know,

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Speaker 1: New York Mets, really put his chips on the table

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Speaker 1: here for Carlos Mendoza. With the contracts he signed Bob

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Speaker 1: But he's got to make sure that bullpen understands that.

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Speaker 2: I do think that there's something to that where bullpen

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Speaker 1: And it was a great conversation I had last night.

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Speaker 3: It's interesting too because I don't necessarily mind it.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's a balance, right because Eric Miller hadn't

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Speaker 3: So that, I mean, that's gonna be something interesting to

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Speaker 2: Up a couple of runs. So I mean, look, we'll

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Speaker 2: see how he bounces back. I'm sure he'll be available

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Speaker 1: If needed well the next two games. Land and Roupe today,

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Speaker 1: You look at what land and Roop did his last outing,

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Speaker 2: I'm with you. I mean, I like that they both

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Speaker 2: you're throwing a lot of strikes. Rupe obviously looked real

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Speaker 2: And yeah, I mean, I think, honestly, I've been pretty

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm right there with you. And as well as

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm right there with you. And like you said,

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Speaker 2: I mean, it does make a big difference when you

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Speaker 2: you've got it, sure does. It's like taking Rocky Devers

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: That's not to say that they obviously can't put up runs.

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Speaker 2: They did last night, and they've got some other big,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm right there with you. Ben. Thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for joining me on a warm up show. We'll

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Speaker 1: talk more as the season progresses. Great job again on

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Speaker 1: CRON four. I really enjoy your work.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Bill, appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: That was Ben Ross on the warm up show. We're

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Speaker 1: going to take a quick break, Markabanias and I are

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Speaker 1: going to come on, have a few laughs and talk

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Speaker 1: more Giants baseball. That's coming up next right here on

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