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Speaker 1: Live from the Shark Tank. Adam Copeland ten Raimy filling

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Speaker 1: in for Derek Poppa today joining us. Now, i'd say

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Speaker 1: the Umer guest line. I guess it is the Umer

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Speaker 1: Max Miller's with us here, beat writer for Sharks Hockey Digest,

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Speaker 1: and you hear him on the on sirius X, I'm

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Speaker 1: on NHL. What's going on?

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Speaker 2: Man?

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Speaker 1: How are you?

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Speaker 3: How are you good to be here?

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Speaker 1: Great to have you? Man? So you're a you're a

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Speaker 1: Barrier native.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, born and raise a and BR guy, yes all

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Speaker 2: the time. I mean I grew up my dad's driving

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Speaker 2: around driving a baseball practice. It's kmbrs on.

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Speaker 1: And you're a So you're a Giant's, Warriors, Niners, Raiders, Sharks.

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Speaker 1: Where do you fall? A's Where are you like? What

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Speaker 2: As we get I would say I would say definitely

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Speaker 2: grew up more of an A's fan. Okay, all good,

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Speaker 2: But the entire family is from New York, so I

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Speaker 2: watched a lot of New York sports growing up.

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Speaker 1: So would you would you would you like you have

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Speaker 1: an allegiance to like the Mets or the Yanks or like,

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Speaker 2: So, I'm I nobody's gonna like this first time on

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Speaker 2: Barry Radio.

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Speaker 1: We're just gonna bury him on. Yes, that's exactly to

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Speaker 2: Look, my dad, my dad was born in the Bronx,

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Speaker 2: so I grew up a New York Yankees fan. But

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Speaker 2: I don't also hate the Mets because my grandfather worked

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Speaker 2: at City Field and Chase Stadium for over sixty years

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Speaker 2: I was an A's access member. Like you know, I

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Speaker 2: might be a diehard Yankees fan, but I love the A's.

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Speaker 2: I was at the final game of the Coliseum.

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Speaker 2: My dad was a worked at the box office there.

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Speaker 2: That's so you know you got that golden ticket. My

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Speaker 2: dad was able to go in and get like the

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Speaker 3: I love I love the A's.

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Speaker 1: I love the A's. It's funny she you asked me

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Speaker 1: before we got going. I don't why I didn't think that.

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Speaker 1: She said, do you have ties to New York? My

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Speaker 1: grandparents were from New York. My grandfather John Taylor ri

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Speaker 1: ip He uh he first game he ever saw Louke

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Speaker 1: Geregg was at first base at Yankee Stadium. Like he

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Speaker 1: went to a game and saw Garrett play. My grandma

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Speaker 1: when they were when he was at Penn, she used

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Speaker 1: to go to games. That's forget where the phillis played

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Speaker 1: back then, but we used to go look at Richie

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Speaker 1: So I do got some of those those backs tie,

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Speaker 1: So I get the allegiance to some of those teams.

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Speaker 1: But uh, now you're covering Sharks hockey man. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: hear you played for a long time yourself. So let's

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Speaker 1: get into this just in terms of the big picture

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Speaker 1: of this season and what this young corps has done.

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Speaker 1: How exciting, unexpected and and I don't know, potential building

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean excitement is off the charts. I mean

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Speaker 2: with Macklin Celabriny. I mean he's you know, he's the

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Speaker 2: kind of guy who's gonna go up and he's gonna

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Speaker 2: produce for this team. He's gonna lead them the way

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Speaker 2: whenever they get to the promise line, whenever that is.

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Speaker 2: So we got a glimpse of that last year, but

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Speaker 2: this year he's just exploded. I think even more than

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Speaker 1: No, we may be passing four I mean he made

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Speaker 1: jumbo Joe's got one fourteen.

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Speaker 3: Is the like less than ten points away.

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Speaker 2: So he's on pace to pass. He's on pace to pass.

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Speaker 2: I mean I think he's on pace. No, I think

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Speaker 4: Say the Jumbo's is one fourteen. I think Maclin is

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right, correct, Yeah, it's it's going to go up

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Speaker 2: He's going to be the guy that we're going to

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Speaker 3: It's exciting because there's there's a future here. And I

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Speaker 3: don't think that people expected them to be this close

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Speaker 2: I think people maybe were like thinking they were at

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Speaker 2: you're not incrementally better, Like they're in it, but not

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Speaker 3: They're full on in it, like this is this is

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Speaker 2: Like if they get in, it's even more house money,

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Speaker 2: Like they're taking money from the house right now because

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Speaker 2: they're playing important games with seven games to go. I

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Speaker 2: think maybe around this time, you know, if you were

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Speaker 2: you know, two points behind a playoff spot with seven games.

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Speaker 3: To go, they wouldn't be able to I wouldn't think

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Speaker 4: Copes and I were talking about this earlier about the

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Speaker 4: a expectation of them maybe getting in even if they

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Speaker 4: miss out, Is it still one hundred percent a successful season?

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Speaker 2: Oh, one hundred percent. Like I said before, like you're

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Speaker 2: playing with house money if you don't. I don't think

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Speaker 2: You know, they're they're in it, but they're not really

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Speaker 2: that's only gonna help into the next few seasons.

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Speaker 1: Talking to Maximoller, the voice you hear Sharks Hockey Digest,

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Speaker 1: I mean, to your point, Saturday, was that the most

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Speaker 3: One hundred percent? Yeah, that this was the most meaningful game.

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Speaker 2: That was the most meaningful game in the last you know,

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Speaker 2: since since twenty nineteen, seven years this new regime. I mean,

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Speaker 2: that was a game where you go deep into the standings,

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Speaker 2: they catch up on all the tiebreakers if they win

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Speaker 2: that game, they take the spot, they have the lead,

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Speaker 2: they control their destiny unfortunately didn't go their way. But

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Speaker 2: you you pull back, you look at perspective, it's a

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Speaker 2: learning moment and the best part is they're still so

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Speaker 4: It was impressive they were able to come back from

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Speaker 4: because there is this feeling with the Sharks Tea Max

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Speaker 4: to where once they get momentum going, they can kind

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Speaker 4: of do anything at that point. But the key is

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Speaker 4: I feel like they don't know how to create that

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Speaker 4: just by demand, Like when it happens suddenly they tilt

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Speaker 4: to be incredible in a few years, but they don't

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Speaker 4: know how to do it upon demand.

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Speaker 1: The Warriors knew how to get Klayu. They're like, okay,

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Speaker 1: if we can get him, and you would see him

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Speaker 1: heat check like five times in the first because you're like,

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Speaker 3: Then you're it's hard.

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Speaker 2: You know, in the NBA, you know you can you

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Speaker 2: can heap check guys, you can get three pointers going.

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Speaker 2: Or you know in baseball, pitchers dealing early, you know

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Speaker 2: they're on. You just need somebody to make a play.

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Speaker 2: It's hard to do that in hockey with a team game,

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Speaker 2: because you know, guy like maclin Celebrini, they're gonna double

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Speaker 2: it's it's hard to get it going. And and like

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Speaker 2: Ted said, like inorganically, sometimes you need a power play

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Speaker 2: for the Sharks team to get him going. And when

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Speaker 2: you look at Nashville, it's an experienced team. Right away,

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Speaker 2: the first two guys scores goal. Philip Forsburg, who has

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Speaker 2: played in the playoffs, has has is an elite player

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Speaker 2: and create a play. The Sharks don't have that experience yet,

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Speaker 2: and it's only gonna come with experience. And games like

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Speaker 2: the Nashville game. How did they create their momentum for

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Speaker 4: By the way, cops, I gotta say in hockey, and

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Speaker 4: in basketball, you can shoot your way out of trouble.

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Speaker 4: Unfortunately for the Giants, they can't just swing their way

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and uh, and also defense doesn't translate into offense,

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Speaker 1: and they're not doing that well either, right, you know

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Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. Catch the black and ball and Joe A.

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Speaker 3: Dell's the perfect example of defense doesn't translate to offense.

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Speaker 3: It's one nothing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, one of the greatest game anybody's ever had. One

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Speaker 1: nothing to which seventy thousand baseball games in history. Nobody's

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Speaker 1: ever done that and didn't really matter.

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Speaker 3: No, I mean you robbed the whole right, but like

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Speaker 2: What's what's the difference? No, No, you can't. No defense,

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Speaker 2: there's no transition offense. It's harder to create transition offense.

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Speaker 2: And hockey tark the.

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Speaker 1: Crowd on their feet.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what hockey fights do.

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Speaker 1: And wouldn't you know what he's coming up? Oh for three?

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Speaker 1: But you know, how often do you see a guy

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Speaker 1: make a great play in the field and come up

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Speaker 1: to bat like it just doesn't happen for him. We're

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Speaker 1: talking to maximulant here sharks hockey digest. Okay, so like

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Speaker 1: if we were gonna like mathematic we put the formula together,

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Speaker 1: it's like shark's strengths defined by sharks weaknesses multiplied by

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Speaker 1: remaining strength of scan whatever. However you you formulate, you

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Speaker 1: build that formula. What's their greatest strength in the reason

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Speaker 1: that would get them in? What weakness would keep them out?

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Speaker 1: And where do you fall in which one outweighs the other.

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Speaker 3: Is peendos is a thing?

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Speaker 5: Right?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, please excuse my dear aunt Sally. Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 3: Journalists not a math person, come on now.

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Speaker 2: But no, So the the the I mean, the way

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Speaker 2: they get in is is you know the best way

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Speaker 2: they get in is is Macklin celebrity continues to go nuts.

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Speaker 2: I mean he to four point night to three point night.

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Speaker 1: Max Miller, beat writer for Sharks Hockey Digest and noted

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but listening, I mean you're a listener. Oh, I

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Speaker 1: text you all the time if you're listening ted text

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Speaker 1: every day at the time when we're talking ball constantly

435
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Speaker 1: and talking puck and whatnot and just riffing on. You know,

436
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Speaker 1: old Charlie Kirk tweets that still hold up today. There

437
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Speaker 1: was one somebody dug up the other day, so I took.

438
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Speaker 1: I have proof that I shook put took Yukon over

439
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Speaker 1: Michigan from like twenty thirteen. I can't get over the

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Speaker 1: picture of him and Jimmy Grooffins. It's frenzy. Incredible, dude,

441
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Speaker 1: that's incredible. So we've covered some big stories. You might

442
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Speaker 1: remember about a year ago the ten inmates who escape

443
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Speaker 1: from the New Orleans prison. Yes, I remember that. We

444
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Speaker 1: were following that for months until they caught them all.

445
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Speaker 1: Of course, they found the first guy within like ten

446
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Speaker 1: hours in the French Quarter. I was like, what are

447
00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:20,800
Speaker 1: you doing? What are you going to the French quarter

448
00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:23,320
Speaker 1: the most obvious place to look. He's like, my first

449
00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:25,880
Speaker 1: move was Getna Bignet. By the way, the only reason

450
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Speaker 1: to ever try to escape is is you got life.

451
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Speaker 1: Unless you're going to frame you know what I mean.

452
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Speaker 1: Otherwise what I was attacking. Years on, we of course

453
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Speaker 1: covered the Afroman trial, which was very last couple of weeks.

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Speaker 1: She had eleven pound cake yesterday. I did not have.

455
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Speaker 1: I didn't have a piece of carrot cake yesterday, though

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Speaker 1: I did. Uh So, then we saw this this headline

457
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Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago, and I got it. My

458
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Speaker 1: favorite is I got it as like an Apple News

459
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Speaker 1: push notification and it read us cornhole champion Comma quad

460
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Speaker 1: amp ut Comma accused of murder. So, for those who remember,

461
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Speaker 1: we went through this in great detail. He was driving, Yes,

462
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Speaker 1: the quad amputee was driving. He'd previously won a corner

463
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Speaker 1: Old championship in the American Corner Hoole League or whatever.

464
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Speaker 1: He's got a passenger in the front, two in the back,

465
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Speaker 1: gets into an altercation with the guy in the front.

466
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Speaker 1: He himself pulls out a gun, shoots the guy twice.

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Speaker 1: He then pulls into a neighborhood and asks the people

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Speaker 1: in the back for the ox cord and then also

469
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Speaker 1: to throw this body out of the car. He didn't

470
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Speaker 1: really ask for the ox, but I like to imagine

471
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Speaker 1: that's what happened. They said no, they get out and run,

472
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Speaker 1: which cracked me up because I'm like, hold on, they

473
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Speaker 1: had legs. So they get out and run and try

474
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Speaker 1: to hail police. Police catch the guy. Uh, he's arrested.

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Speaker 1: So the update a few days later a week later

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Speaker 1: was his ex girlfriend had a motive. His ex girlfriend

477
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Speaker 1: came out and said, yeah, actually I left him for

478
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Speaker 1: his friend, and his friend is the one that was

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Speaker 1: murdered in the car. And this guy's girlfriend said, quote,

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Speaker 1: I never thought he'd actually kill somebody, but I'm not surprised.

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Speaker 4: Did you see the video that came out of him

482
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Speaker 4: shooting No, no, we'll not have him shooting. I saw that,

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Speaker 4: But the one of he gotten a with that old

484
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Speaker 4: friend of him yelling at her like explosive temper. Oh

485
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Speaker 4: no oh, like the kind of thing where you say, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 4: that guy is out of his mind.

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Speaker 1: He might call her a little ball of fire.

488
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Speaker 4: I might, but it's one of those things where you

489
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Speaker 4: watch it and you think to yourself, Okay, this guy,

490
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Speaker 4: there's gonna be problems down the lot.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, well dude, what's crazy to me? And I

492
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Speaker 1: said this to a really and then last week like

493
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Speaker 1: he's not playing in an amputee cornhole league. He's a

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Speaker 1: champion with no arms or legs in this league with

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Speaker 1: everybody else who has their appendance on the foot. I've

496
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Speaker 1: seen the footage phenomenal. He throws like he pins it

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Speaker 1: and he throws it a really you know, you know,

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Speaker 1: if I had lost to him, Timson might be up

499
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Speaker 1: at arms, dude would be it'd be kind of upset

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Speaker 1: about that. And really, by the way, really really good

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Speaker 1: investigating by the officers here, considering there were no prints

502
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Speaker 1: at the scene to find out that it was it

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Speaker 1: was him. So the the update after that is that

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Speaker 1: he's in prison in like and they're holding them like

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Speaker 1: an infirmary area. It's an hour of like wrackaday I

506
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Speaker 1: guess or something like that. He played cornhall, I don't know.

507
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Speaker 1: As Jim Rum said, no clones. He was not in

508
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Speaker 1: the bean bag, which was pretty funny line. He when

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Speaker 1: they arrested, he didn't have his prosthetic legs and he

510
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Speaker 1: was in prison, so they tried to get him the

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Speaker 1: prosthetics and he said, quote, I don't need no stinking

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Speaker 1: legs to walk. So that was our most recent update.

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Speaker 1: We have a new update on the US champion Quiet Amputee.

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Speaker 1: So he your cornerhold Champion. He was denied or declined bond.

515
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Speaker 1: All right, there they're holding him without bond, and his

516
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Speaker 1: lawyers are claiming self defense.

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Speaker 4: I think that's a little bit of a stretch. There's

518
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Speaker 4: two people in the car. Saw pull out a gun

519
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Speaker 4: and shoot the guy.

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Speaker 1: Quote he was one hundred percent justified in defending his

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Speaker 1: life from the immediate lethal threat. Now if that were

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Speaker 1: the case, why did he dump the body and drive

523
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Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty miles away?

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Speaker 4: It feels a little guilty. Yeah, although if I just

525
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Speaker 4: killed somebody in self defense and they were in my car,

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Speaker 4: I don't.

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Speaker 1: Know how level headed I would be. Yeah, Dayton knew

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Speaker 1: that he had to shoot or be Hill say it.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, dude. That's by the way. That's no

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Speaker 1: way to go getting shot by somebody inside a car

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Speaker 1: without arms lig. Yeah, that's tough. That's a tough deal. Anyway,

532
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Speaker 1: there's the update. Quote is his lawyer says, the truth

533
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Speaker 1: is there would have been a murder victim had he

534
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Speaker 1: not acted immediately in self defense. He would have been

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Speaker 1: the victim. What an Oscar Pistorius say? Oscar p Historius

536
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Speaker 1: was like he thought somebody broke into the room. Yeah,

537
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Speaker 1: there's always a good excuse, is there. Well, I mean

538
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Speaker 1: in terms of the stories they make up. I mean

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Speaker 1: they come up with interesting reasons why. I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: a great you gotta go self defense, except that there's

541
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Speaker 1: so many videos in this guy like climbing ladders with

542
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Speaker 1: like a rifle on his back. You've seen the interactions

543
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Speaker 1: with him and other people. Seems like a fiery dude.

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Speaker 1: It seems like it was coming, it was headed this way. Yeah,

545
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Speaker 1: but the guy has a reason to have a rage problem.

546
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Speaker 1: He's had a tough life. I don't monsters are not born,

547
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Speaker 1: they are creating hopes. I try.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, the guy's probably had a hard life.

549
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Speaker 1: He's probably had to fly. The reason he was able

550
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Speaker 1: to he had like infection when he was like three

551
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Speaker 1: and like a less than ten percent chance to survive,

552
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Speaker 1: which makes this, as I've said before, maybe the most

553
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Speaker 1: impressive murder of all time. I mean, it's up there.

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Speaker 4: When I was very confused till I saw the video

555
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Speaker 4: of him shooting the gun and it was very competent.

556
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Speaker 1: Yeah, by the way they did they did print the nubs,

557
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Speaker 1: you know that when they grabbed him.

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Speaker 4: That's not a node. Seriously, he actually did. Yeah, I

559
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Speaker 4: mean they would have to. I suppose you have to.

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Speaker 4: I've never really thought about it that much.

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Speaker 1: More to come. The story's got legs. We'll talk more

562
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Speaker 1: about this, but we come on back. We will get

563
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Speaker 1: off of the other cornhole update. Let's get it back

564
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Speaker 1: into some Steph Curry stuff. By the way, Draymond Green

565
00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:25,919
Speaker 1: talked about his future and he's talking about declining his

566
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Speaker 1: contract at the end of the season, opting out and

567
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Speaker 1: then looking for an extension. Do you want that to

568
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Speaker 1: be in Golden State? Can the Warriors win again or

569
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Speaker 1: do they need Draymond Green alongside Steph Curry in order

570
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Speaker 1: to find their path through another championship. We talked about

571
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Speaker 1: trade and Draymond at the deadline, and that's changed. I

572
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Speaker 1: guess his outlook on how things are going. Do they

573
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Speaker 1: need Draymond to compete again? We'll talk about that next.

574
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Speaker 1: And then Shark's head coach Ryan Worsowski joined us at

575
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Speaker 1: four fifteen. It's dirty work from the Tank and it's

576
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Speaker 1: only here on the Sports Leader. Dirty work with you

577
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Speaker 1: on a Monday afternoon, Adam Couplin ten Raimi with you

578
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Speaker 1: as the Sharks take on the Chicago Blackhawks dot at

579
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Speaker 1: seven o'clock to try to keep their playoff hopes alive

580
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Speaker 1: and thrive. And we'll talk more about that with Shark's

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Speaker 1: head coach Ryan Wrosofski coming up in about twenty five

582
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Speaker 1: minutes at four fifteen. But first I'm going to get

583
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Speaker 1: into some Draymond Green stuff. So Draymond, I mean, I

584
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Speaker 1: was talking about this earlier this year, and by the way,

585
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Speaker 1: for a guy who almost never plays when Steph is out,

586
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Speaker 1: he's been out there with the young guys trying to

587
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Speaker 1: keep this thing going and keep this thing come. And

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Speaker 1: he talked about how in this interview, actually did an

589
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Speaker 1: interview with with Tim Kalakami. It came out last weekend

590
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Speaker 1: that when his name came up around the trade deadline,

591
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Speaker 1: it really kind of motivated him and it changed the

592
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Speaker 1: way he saw things. Now. He's a totally different player

593
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Speaker 1: than he was in the peak of their correct. When

594
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Speaker 1: I say totally different, I mean he's not the offensive

595
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Speaker 1: asset that he can be. He's not gonna ever go

596
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Speaker 1: for thirty I don't know again in a massive playoff

597
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:07,600
Speaker 1: game or finals game or anything like that. But he

598
00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:09,200
Speaker 1: did have a tie like a season high in a

599
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Speaker 1: sist last night, he twelve assists with Steph out there.

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Speaker 1: You know that when Steph's out there, he knows how

601
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Speaker 1: to operate the floor in the space better than maybe

602
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Speaker 1: anybody as a facilitator. Yeah, he brings you more as

603
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Speaker 1: an undersized big man than maybe anybody in the history

604
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Speaker 1: of the league, saved Charles Barkley. Right, So, like, I

605
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:26,480
Speaker 1: don't know what his value is to this team and

606
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Speaker 1: how they they continue to pay him at the level

607
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Speaker 1: he's being paid, knowing what else they need with an

608
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Speaker 1: injured Jimmy Butler. But when he signed the contract the

609
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Speaker 1: last time around, the three year deal with the fourth

610
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Speaker 1: year extension, that was like what twenty five a year

611
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Speaker 1: or something like that, and he was basically gone to

612
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Speaker 1: Memphis at that point. I didn't love the deal for

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Speaker 1: the length of the contract, No, And I.

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Speaker 4: Think a lot of people were in that boat because

615
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Speaker 4: he already had the many multifaceted aspects of Draymond where

616
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Speaker 4: people were going to look at him and view what

617
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Speaker 4: he was, what he is, the problems inherent to his

618
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Speaker 4: personality combined with his gameplay. But you know, the way

619
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Speaker 4: he showed up this year, You know, you used to

620
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Speaker 4: feel like, oh, STEP's not out there, Draymond's not gonna play,

621
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Speaker 4: but he's been out there. He's been mixing it up,

622
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Speaker 4: and last night he looked a lot like the Draymond

623
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Speaker 4: Green of old, and or at least of a few

624
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Speaker 4: years past of DC looked decent enough. I'll put it

625
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Speaker 4: that way. He can still defend, he can still be

626
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Speaker 4: an impact player. I just don't know what happens if

627
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:26,440
Speaker 4: they get back into another pressure pack situation, which they

628
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 4: are not in right now, Like this is what I

629
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Speaker 4: have to see what happens if they do get past

630
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Speaker 4: the play in and then he has another situation where

631
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Speaker 4: he's teed up or ejected or as an impact on

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Speaker 4: a playoff series.

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Speaker 1: That to me is that's like the ultimate test. Yeah,

634
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Speaker 1: I mean, but that's who he is. I mean, that's

635
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Speaker 1: sort of the double edged sort of it. But is

636
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Speaker 1: he worth it?

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Speaker 4: At this point he's thirty three, I'm forty three and

638
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:48,160
Speaker 4: he's thirty six, Like that's not that much different of eight.

639
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Speaker 1: I just don't know if he's like based on the

640
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Speaker 1: price point, I know he gives them in it like

641
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:56,359
Speaker 1: it's intangible, yeah, of course, and him being added to

642
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:57,879
Speaker 1: a team that couldn't. Like if you what if he

643
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Speaker 1: went to like San Antonio, you know, I mean reind

644
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Speaker 1: it out. Okay, see if that's a difference, a different situation,

645
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 1: and his value there would be astronomically. But he wouldn't

646
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:07,680
Speaker 1: get paid that. No, he wouldn't. He wouldn't make that Doman.

647
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 1: It would have been good if he got traded to

648
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 1: the Lakers, the Lakers wanted him. I thought he would

649
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 1: have been an asset there alongside Lebron.

650
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:14,920
Speaker 4: I think Lebron just likes knowing that he is his fan,

651
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 4: but never wants to actually have him on the same team.

652
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 1: Whatever he wants to deal with him. I think it's

653
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 1: I think it's that kind of headache, you know what

654
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 1: I mean. I don't know if he wants to deal

655
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 1: with that. But like the question I would ask, is

656
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 1: is he when we talk about the types of players

657
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:28,639
Speaker 1: they could try to get and if Kawhi is like

658
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 1: a legit possibility this offseason, I think it's a pipe

659
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:33,920
Speaker 1: dream for you, honest, I just don't know that they

660
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:37,439
Speaker 1: have the pieces now. The reason Kawhi is intriguing too

661
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 1: and seemingly maybe more realistic, is because of the situation.

662
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:45,879
Speaker 1: The Clippers are in with maybe the investigation around his

663
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 1: avoiding some salary cap restrictions, are trying to evade salary

664
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Speaker 1: cap rules and work around the deal. If they decide

665
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 1: to cut ties and move on and whatever the case

666
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:56,879
Speaker 1: may be. That's one where they're doing it for a

667
00:26:56,880 --> 00:27:00,280
Speaker 1: different reason. They're constructed differently. If Milwaukee's going to do it,

668
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 1: they're trading away the face of the franchise who brought

669
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 1: them a title, and they need to retool and rebuild completely.

670
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,439
Speaker 1: They would need picks, they would need young players. You

671
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:10,639
Speaker 1: I don't have Moody. I don't know how Pajemski is viewed.

672
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 1: That's a different situation than maybe you would look at

673
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 1: for for Kawhi. You could maybe trade a guy like

674
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:19,119
Speaker 1: Draymond and or or Jimmy, and this contract would be

675
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 1: viewed differently as expiring. I think Draymond probably costs too

676
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:27,159
Speaker 1: much alongside Jimmy to bring him back. And let's hear

677
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 1: what Draymond had to say here. He is on the

678
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 1: TK podcast talking about how the trade, the talks about

679
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 1: a trade around the deadline changed sort of his motivation

680
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:38,679
Speaker 1: for the remainder of the season one thousand percent.

681
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:43,119
Speaker 5: You know, I think anytime as a competitor, anytime you.

682
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:48,199
Speaker 1: Feel threatened, you either vold or you do more, you know, And.

683
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 5: You know, my decision, my way for will always be

684
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,359
Speaker 5: to try to do more, you know, try to prove

685
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:59,399
Speaker 5: that I'm worth more, you know. And so with all

686
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 5: the trade and all those things, Steph being out, you know,

687
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 5: losing a bunch this year, you have to find things

688
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 5: that motivate you. You have to find things that pushes

689
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 5: you on a daily basis to go out and compete,

690
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 5: you know, and whatever those things are, you aren't wrong.

691
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 5: I think any self motivated person is going to find

692
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:25,159
Speaker 5: things to fuel that motivation, you know. And so for

693
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 5: me personally, I've had to focus in more on these

694
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 5: things under the circumstances, to like push myself, you know,

695
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,360
Speaker 5: and to be sure that I'm doing all I can

696
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:37,479
Speaker 5: for the situation. And you know, with the trade talks,

697
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 5: and it does motivate, you know, it motivates you to

698
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 5: show exactly what it is that you bring to the table,

699
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 5: that you can still do things at a very high

700
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 5: level and that if they were to make that decision,

701
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 5: the mistake that they'll be making, you know, And as

702
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 5: a competitor, wherever I go, I be also ready to

703
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 5: show them.

704
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 1: Man. You know, that's just the competitor in me, you know,

705
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 1: all right.

706
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 4: So the thing I get out of that Coapes is

707
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 4: that Draymond talks about what he brings to the table,

708
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 4: the intangible that he brings this to Golden State specifically,

709
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 4: is that he knows everything about crew system that there

710
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 4: is to know. He knows exactly how to best facilitate

711
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 4: Steph Curry when Steph Curry is on the floor. For

712
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 4: the last couple of years, if Curry and Draymond were

713
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 4: not out on the floor together, the ball simply didn't move. No,

714
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 4: we watched the entire Warrior system fall on its face.

715
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 4: And I don't know if there's anybody else out there

716
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 4: for the relatively similar and or lesser money that you

717
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 4: can bring in that can be as relatively valuable as

718
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 4: Draymond is. You just have to weigh that against the

719
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 4: potential Draymond risk, which is the.

720
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 1: Entire story of his career.

721
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 4: But there is nothing else you can bring in for

722
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 4: even the relative money, that will do what Draymond is

723
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 4: capable of doing alongside Steph Curry. And I think that's

724
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 4: the best argument of why you keep him around. That said,

725
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 4: he in terms of basketball minds, he's all time. He's

726
00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 4: one of the smartest players I've ever seen out there

727
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 4: on the floor. He understands everything that's happened. He's the

728
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 4: queen's gambit of basketball. I've never seen queens never mind, Sorry,

729
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 4: don't keep it moving, then just keep going? So did

730
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 4: I watch sports and news? I'm very boring person, But

731
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 4: anyway can be our queen's gambit. Go ahead, sed, But

732
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 4: he is so valuable to this Warriors team. I think

733
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 4: even going forward he can still be valuable. It's just

734
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 4: a matter of what he's gonna do to implode at

735
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 4: any given time. Because that's that's the tale of Draymond.

736
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 4: He is two sides of the coin. Yeah, I'm sort

737
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 4: of beyond that. Again, that's sort of the that's those

738
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 4: are the two sides of the coin.

739
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 1: Okay, but okay, how can he beyond it?

740
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 4: If he can't the double edged sword, one side of

741
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 4: the sword always seems to be a little bit gets

742
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 4: a little bit sharp.

743
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 1: Do you know why I think I'm beyond it because

744
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 1: four titles sort of Yeah, I mean, I don't think

745
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 1: you have him without who he is personally, right, I

746
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,480
Speaker 1: think that's part of it is that I love and

747
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 1: he's talking here about motivation. I have always in sports

748
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 1: loved a player that had something to prove, like a

749
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:00,719
Speaker 1: guy who's like because either he does he doesn't, but

750
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 1: when he does, you're like, that guy might be something

751
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 1: for the future. Because we've seen him fall. He's got

752
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 1: to prove something. I want to see it happen. I

753
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 1: want to see him grab his opportunity and run with it.

754
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 1: And we've seen guys do that across every sport. I

755
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 1: remember thinking that about Alex Smith at one point, and

756
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 1: then we saw it happen, and he kept getting opportunities elsewhere,

757
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 1: but we saw him grab an opportunity with the Chiefs

758
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 1: and Andy Reid even here at one point, going seven

759
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 1: to nine in a North Turner the one year he had,

760
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 1: like a good offensive coordinator until he gets horriball. Like

761
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 1: guys with things to prove, I love, and he was

762
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 1: decent with the Redskins exactly. And I think I think

763
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 1: Draymon is a guy oops who has known that was

764
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 1: who they were. I think Draymon is a guy who

765
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 1: manufactures that for himself better than any player I've ever

766
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 1: seen at the level in which he plays consistently, like

767
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 1: he was an All American at Michigan, but he was

768
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 1: an undersized guy, like he could have came in and

769
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 1: been idagu you know what I mean. The game evolved

770
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 1: and now the style that the game has played certainly

771
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 1: is conducive to him. Where and the types of players

772
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 1: around him, Like Steph isn't the guy who brings ball

773
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 1: up and handles the ball at all times. He plays

774
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 1: off ball. That's where he's at his best. You talk

775
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 1: about the cuts in the backscreen. So yeah, he understands

776
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 1: curve system because curse system is Steph Curry and how

777
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 1: they make that operate. He also knows that his all

778
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 1: of his greatness in his career is tied to the

779
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 1: greatness that is Steph. So giving him a chance to

780
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 1: be motivated, I think is one thing. It's also pretty

781
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 1: clear that when games aren't important, Draymond operates accordingly. Yes, right,

782
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 1: Like there was that note a few years ago it

783
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 1: was it was the last season of Clay, So like

784
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 1: two years ago when he got ejected in the first

785
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 1: like twelve seconds for was it Rudy Gobert? Was it?

786
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 1: Who was it? The Clay got into it with and

787
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 1: then they were like pulling Raymond, like grabs him out

788
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 1: of nowhere, puts him in a headlock. Steph was already

789
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 1: out that game, and there was a whole note about

790
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 1: when Steph's not playing, Draymon either doesn't or gets tossed

791
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 1: or like so much of that had happened. Also, like

792
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 1: you look back at the twenty twenty season, he was

793
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 1: out there. He was playing when nobody else was. He

794
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 1: played through all this. But are we seeing that fire

795
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 1: from Draymond in these games that don't matter, Like he's

796
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 1: not at the borderline sixteen t's for the playoffs because

797
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 1: it hasn't really been that type. Yeah, it hasn't been

798
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 1: amped up enough. So when the games mattered, Draymond's at

799
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 1: the highest level. And that's where that fury bubbles over.

800
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 4: His competitive fire cannot be debated. I mean in terms

801
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 4: of an all time competitor, I have no qualms with that.

802
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 4: But like earlier this year when he had the disagreement

803
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 4: with Kurr and just left the floor, how is that

804
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 4: still a part of his narrative at thirty six years old.

805
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 4: Four championships, multiple runs deep in the playoffs. That's what

806
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 4: blows me away is like, how is that still happening?

807
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't have an answer for that. The question is,

808
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:42,479
Speaker 1: is he like, who could you pair with Steph? No one?

809
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 1: Because we're talking trios, right, they're gonna need It's gonna

810
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 1: be Steph Draymond and one other guy, whether it's Jimmy,

811
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 1: whether it's Kawhi, whoever it is, whatever the case may be.

812
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 1: And I think maybe poor Zingis has gotta be a

813
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 1: part of that. The free agent class is nothing. It

814
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 1: is irrelevant. No, you have to go out there. You

815
00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 1: gonna have to go get some you have to leverage

816
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 1: the future. You're gonna have to go get somebody. They're

817
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 1: probably gonna have to leverage a good portion of the future.

818
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 1: The question is, like when we were talking Giannis, if

819
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 1: they had acquired Giannis at the deadline and we were

820
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 1: talking Draymond trade, Like what trio do you think gives

821
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 1: you the best chance to win next year? Is it

822
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 1: Jana Stephan, Jimmy or is it Jana Stephan Draymont.

823
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 4: Probably Draymond because he's not coming off of a massive

824
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 4: knee injury this late in his career. This was pre

825
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 4: Jimmy injury. I think too, right, we're discussing this.

826
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 1: May right time.

827
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, But the thing is is, because of the proven

828
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 4: history with Draymond, I think you have to give him

829
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 4: the benefit of the doubt. This is why I keep

830
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 4: on going back to like, Draymond Green is one of

831
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,839
Speaker 4: my favorite players to constantly take umbrage with because every

832
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 4: time I have a qualm against him, I also know

833
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 4: he's an all time champion.

834
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 1: Well here's the thing too. If we're talking what's the

835
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 1: better trio? What would you rather have? And I don't

836
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 1: know the math on this. I'm just this is this

837
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 1: is me b yesing about the you know, the free

838
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 1: agency for the NBA this summer. Would you rather have

839
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 1: Steph Drey and Kawhi or Steph Jimmy and Kawhi. If

840
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:00,400
Speaker 1: you have Steph dray and Kawhi, he might be a

841
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 1: top five defense. Again. I was about to say, then

842
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:03,359
Speaker 1: your defense is solid again.

843
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 4: And that gets back to the Corps MVP with you

844
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 4: originally wanted this Warriors team to be.

845
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 1: And I like, does is Kawhi down to do that? Like, dude,

846
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 1: the guy should be maybe All NBA this year. He's

847
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 1: been incredible this season. I would like the guy's a

848
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 1: mercenary he is the guy doesn't care like KD didn't

849
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:23,840
Speaker 1: want to stay and win three more rings because he

850
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 1: wanted to go do it himself, because he like had

851
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:29,280
Speaker 1: the fans that hasn't even sniffed the final.

852
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 4: You know what I mean that I love the steph

853
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 4: needed KD and it's like, oh, I think everyone got

854
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 4: that completely backwards.

855
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,320
Speaker 1: Phoenix went to the finals, got KD and then got bad,

856
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 1: very bad. Like it's bizarre how bad that unit of

857
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:44,919
Speaker 1: talent was in a couple of years that he was there.

858
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 1: He gets his guys to come with him in James,

859
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:50,400
Speaker 1: Harden and Kyrie to the nets and they don't do anything,

860
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 1: and within two years it's blown up.

861
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 4: If we go back to look at the the Kyrie

862
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 4: or excuse me, the the Harden and KD and that

863
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,360
Speaker 4: entire group of guys. The fact that Harden's seems like

864
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 4: the most normal one out of that group. Now in

865
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 4: long term, who would have thought that? Because like I

866
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 4: like Russ as well, but you know, he's he's kind

867
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 4: of he's an interesting fellow. But Russell Westbrook, yeah yeah,

868
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 4: oh yeah, he like he to me is like the

869
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 4: epitome of like the modern NBA dork. Like these guys.

870
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,240
Speaker 4: This is not your nineties NBA. These guys are basketball dorks.

871
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 1: I think Harden wants to get paid, get in the

872
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:25,359
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame, hit the strip club. Just I mean,

873
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:27,439
Speaker 1: I think I think he's just a superstar in the NBA.

874
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 4: He's but he's by far the more. If you had

875
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 4: to hang out with or Hard, and I'm taking Hard,

876
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 4: all you getting a beer with Russ KD or Harden?

877
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 4: I think I would pick Harden all day, Yeah, all day,

878
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:38,359
Speaker 4: not even not even a question.

879
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:42,760
Speaker 1: Who would you get a beer with? Russ KD? Kyrie? Russ?

880
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 1: I think so too.

881
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:47,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, Kyrie would bring the sage out to be spreading

882
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 4: around the bar.

883
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 1: Buddy, I don't want to taste this just wafting sage, dude,

884
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:57,360
Speaker 1: just sage. So like I like the the it's tantalizing

885
00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:59,799
Speaker 1: because also that seems like that would probably if we're

886
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 1: talking Kawhi, that would probably have to be financially the deal.

887
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 1: Right now, here's the other thing that's interesting. Draymond talked

888
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 1: about how he would operate next year, said he thinks

889
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 1: the best thing for him is to opt out. Actually,

890
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 1: raft do we have that? I think I might have

891
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 1: given you the wrong cut for this one, But I

892
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:17,240
Speaker 1: want to play the one about that. We were talking

893
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 1: about how he might handle this offseason, if you could

894
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 1: just search for that for me for a minute. He

895
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 1: said he thinks he would opt out of his deal

896
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 1: and then extend, and that would mean basically, I mean

897
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 1: effectively that he could restructure and reconfigure. It might also

898
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 1: allow them flexibility in a different way it might been.

899
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 1: I mean, like if Draymond's like, dude, if we can

900
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 1: get Kawhi, I'm willing to take this amount of money

901
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:41,240
Speaker 1: for three more years or two years in an extension

902
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 1: or whatever. We're gonna do a one and a one.

903
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 1: However we map this out to financially make this right,

904
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 1: because Steph's gonna make yet against sixty million dollars, I mean,

905
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:51,760
Speaker 1: he's at fifty nine bill this year for like forty

906
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 1: games played.

907
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 4: I would just ask you if you recall the sins

908
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 4: of the Giants and what they did after their ten

909
00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 4: twelve fourteen, the qualmas of they reward or did the

910
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:04,879
Speaker 4: guys and didn't make enough of.

911
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:05,840
Speaker 1: It's kind of baseball, though, like in the nature of baseball,

912
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 1: because you have the rights of guys, you frequently in baseball,

913
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 1: I feel like and now we've gone away from that

914
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 1: since then. But I will also you pay them for

915
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 1: what they used to do, not what they made. Yeah.

916
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 4: But then with the Sharks, a lot of the criticism

917
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 4: was they held on to a lot of those key

918
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 4: players too long. Yeah, and that's what led up to

919
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:22,359
Speaker 4: the downfall at the ends. But here we've got that cut.

920
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 4: But we've got to get here.

921
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,319
Speaker 1: Here's Draymond on how he would like to operate because

922
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 1: he's got an option year. It's a player option for

923
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 1: next year.

924
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 5: Year. So I discussed it a couple of months ago. Briefly,

925
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 5: we haven't talked much about it because we don't deal

926
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:39,400
Speaker 5: with those things at offseason.

927
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 1: But I think in an ideal world, and again.

928
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 5: This is me talking without talking to my representation, so

929
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 5: Rich will probably killed me. But in an ideal world,

930
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 5: I think the best path would be to decline and extent.

931
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 5: You know, if I had it my way, I think

932
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 5: that would be the best path for But in saying that,

933
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 5: you know, and having great representation, you know, we worked

934
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 5: really hard to get this option year when when it

935
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 5: was time for us to negotiate this contract, and so

936
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 5: I think we did the work to put ourselves in

937
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 5: a position to have some control, and you know, we'll

938
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 5: we'll have a conversation after the season, not only with

939
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:14,839
Speaker 5: myself and Rich, but probably myself and Joe, myself and Mike,

940
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 5: myself and Steve Rich and it like, well, we'll have conversations.

941
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:24,240
Speaker 1: Interesting. So, I mean, he's right. I mean this allows

942
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:26,880
Speaker 1: you a lot of flexibility. If you're not gonna get

943
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,359
Speaker 1: this dollar amount elsewhere, having the option here allows you

944
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:32,399
Speaker 1: to ask for something else and say, maybe I dropped

945
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 1: the dollar amount because what's he at now, like twenty

946
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:36,439
Speaker 1: five million years something like that. I don't think he's

947
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:39,880
Speaker 1: gonna get more than that annually from anybody, but he's

948
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 1: gonna ask for years, right, does he come down to

949
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 1: eighteen or twenty a year and ask for three years

950
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 1: something like that? I think if they.

951
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 4: Were telling him they were doing that to go out

952
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 4: there and get another big piece to ge, I mean

953
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:51,399
Speaker 4: another run.

954
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:53,839
Speaker 1: I think that's why he says Joe and Mike, Oh,

955
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:55,800
Speaker 1: he set those names for a reason or a reason.

956
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 5: Right.

957
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 1: He's he's, he's that's not a part of that mentioned

958
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 1: and he will talk to stuff, but that's not a

959
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 1: part of that. Because Steph's finances aren't really relevant here.

960
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 4: But I think he knows that he's trying to not

961
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 4: not the miya kulpa, but putting it out there like,

962
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 4: hey guys, I'm flexible. Let's talk about this because I

963
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 4: think he knows that the best culmination for his career,

964
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 4: as I said, with he's thirty six years old, it's

965
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 4: probably trying to make one last great run here in

966
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 4: Golden State. And I think that even he knows that

967
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 4: if he did go with the San Antonio or an

968
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 4: OKC wouldn't be viewed the same way, whereas if he

969
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 4: was a part of another team that did it here

970
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 4: in Golden State. We talk about legacy with Steph, we

971
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 4: gotta talk about legacy with Raymond.

972
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 1: It's kind of where I'm at with Kawhi, Like just

973
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:38,319
Speaker 1: kaw I think the Clippers can win. Do they offer

974
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 1: him a better chance next year to be a champion

975
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:42,799
Speaker 1: or does the this is the thing that no other

976
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:44,759
Speaker 1: team has. And what we just talked about in terms

977
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 1: of how you find success for the remainder of this season,

978
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:49,880
Speaker 1: what really I asked you was is there a legacy

979
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 1: moment to be had by Steph Curry this postseason? And

980
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:55,319
Speaker 1: I think we both agree, dude, knock off the first

981
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:58,399
Speaker 1: two teams you face. And then I said, take okay

982
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 1: see to the brink and give me a seven or

983
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 1: a game, give me an elimination game for okasee, and

984
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 1: you give me that, And then I'm like, who else

985
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:07,879
Speaker 1: could do this? Who's that? Like Lebron on a team

986
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 1: right now? No, he's not a guy who's gonna do that.

987
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 1: I don't think on a team like this, Like, is

988
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 1: he capable of taking over or catching fire in the

989
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 1: way that Steph Curry is? If I'm Kawhi, I look

990
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 1: around the league and I'm like, I'm gonna be traded somewhere.

991
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 1: They're gonna trade me, or if this is actually a possibility,

992
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:25,239
Speaker 1: is it a bad thing to go to Golden State.

993
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 1: I don't think he's a long term option. I don't

994
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:29,840
Speaker 1: think he stays. But he's a guy who won in

995
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 1: in San Antonio and then just decided I don't want

996
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:35,240
Speaker 1: to be here, so he went to Toronto, wins in Toronto,

997
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:37,359
Speaker 1: and he's bounced around. I don't think he's a guy

998
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 1: who cares about where he wins. I think he wants

999
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 1: to win, but I don't think he's a guy who's like,

1000
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 1: I don't think he has an allegiance to any one place,

1001
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 1: and I think if it meant a chance to win,

1002
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 1: another one who offers you a better opportunity save the

1003
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 1: top three teams in the league.

1004
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 4: I don't think he liked being quote unquote the man

1005
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 4: in Toronto. I think that they also looked at where

1006
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 4: his role in San Antonio, where he wasn't quo unquote

1007
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 4: the man, because that was you know, that was Pop,

1008
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:04,799
Speaker 4: that was his team. He was the star, yeah, and

1009
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 4: everybody else was that once say secondary. But I think

1010
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 4: he would like the idea of being in Golden State,

1011
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 4: where he knows he's on Steph's team, where he's not

1012
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:13,799
Speaker 4: the guy because he's he's kind of awkward. I don't

1013
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 4: know if you've I mean, we've all seen the videos

1014
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:18,359
Speaker 4: of it. He was an awkward guy, and I think

1015
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 4: he could just go out here and ball. That's not

1016
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 4: a bad laugh, it's it's the first time somebody played

1017
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 4: that for me.

1018
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 1: I thought it was a joke. Yeah, No, I was like,

1019
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 1: that's not that's not a Hue's kind of how he laughs.

1020
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 1: And I was telling these guys last week. I kicked

1021
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 1: with him one time when he was at right before

1022
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 1: he started at San Diego State. He was buddies with

1023
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 1: with one of my friends at Soko, and he was

1024
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 1: the same sort of like doofy kind of quiet dude,

1025
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 1: He's just start driving that suburban back then. Yeah, he

1026
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 1: was driving like, yeah, big suburban and he had I

1027
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 1: was telling these guys, dude, we were playing Madden on

1028
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:44,439
Speaker 1: the Xbox in the garage and I remember his hands

1029
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 1: was like I could not believe this guy's hands were

1030
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 1: enveloping a controller in the way they did. Yeah, we

1031
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:51,839
Speaker 1: were like passing across the room and his fingers were

1032
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 1: like you know, I mean, he can like knock it up,

1033
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 1: and it could. He could hand me the little roach

1034
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 1: from all the way across the garage, but I just pluck

1035
00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:01,880
Speaker 1: it from my fingers out of him. Out of Coveland

1036
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 1: ten Randy with you live from the Shark Tank. The

1037
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:06,760
Speaker 1: Sharks are taking on the Blackhawks tonight at seven o'clock.

1038
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 1: How about this, We'll catch up with our weekly Sharks

1039
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:12,360
Speaker 1: guest head coach Ryan Worsovski, trying to lead this team

1040
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 1: to a playoff perth in what is his first sort

1041
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 1: of down the stretch playoff run. We'll talk about that

1042
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:20,399
Speaker 1: with the head coach Ryan Warsovski, who joined us next

1043
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:22,840
Speaker 1: thirty work on a Monday only here on the sports

1044
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Speaker 1: Leader