WEBVTT - Firm But Gentlemanly

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<v Speaker 1>Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio at the

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<v Speaker 1>George Washington Broadcast Center.

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<v Speaker 2>Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty. Armstrong and Getty.

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<v Speaker 3>And now, here's Armstrong and Getty.

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<v Speaker 2>It's bedroom day. November 11th is Veterans Day.

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<v Speaker 4>I assume most of you know this because that was

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<v Speaker 4>originally called Armistice Day because it was the day that

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<v Speaker 4>World War I ended, November 11th, 1918. Although they continued

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<v Speaker 4>to kill people in a waste of lives sort of way,

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<v Speaker 4>if you've seen All Quiet on the Western.

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<v Speaker 2>Front or read anything about that.

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<v Speaker 4>But anyway, World War I ended that day, the war

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<v Speaker 4>to end all wars, and it turned out not so much.

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<v Speaker 4>And I'm fascinated by World War. I kind of came

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<v Speaker 4>to World War I late in life as a hobby

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<v Speaker 4>to get into, but it's just so damn interesting. And

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<v Speaker 4>obviously it set up everything for the Middle East and

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<v Speaker 4>World War II and so many of the things that

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<v Speaker 4>continue today. And all your postmodern literature and art and

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<v Speaker 4>everything came out of that because it kind of broke

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<v Speaker 4>Western civilization's view of what could happen in the world. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>And made us all think, holy crap. Modern warfare. well,

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<v Speaker 2>what are you going to do?

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<v Speaker 4>And, um, anyway, that's, that's why they, we celebrate it today.

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<v Speaker 4>We turned it into Veterans Day when we realized, turns

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<v Speaker 4>out that's not the last war. Um, and now it's

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<v Speaker 4>a day to honor all veterans and we, we do.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you for, uh, your service, anyone who has served,

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<v Speaker 4>including my brother and my dad. Um, lots of parades

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<v Speaker 4>and stuff around the country. My son and Boy Scouts

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<v Speaker 4>participates in a thing where they put flags on all the, uh,

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<v Speaker 4>What's the.

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<v Speaker 2>Plots? Graves? Is there a better term? No, those are

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<v Speaker 2>fine terms.

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<v Speaker 4>At the cemetery for people who were veterans. There's little

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<v Speaker 4>band plays, that sort of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Very nice. Well done, scouts. Well done. Yeah, very cool.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, scouts get up early and go out and do

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<v Speaker 4>that on Memorial Day and Veterans Day. I didn't know

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<v Speaker 4>that until my son became a scout at your local cemetery.

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<v Speaker 2>It's really awesome. Love that. So....

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<v Speaker 4>I have seen lots of people from different quarters, not

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<v Speaker 4>the lefty left, but middle and right, really praising Ross

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<v Speaker 4>Douthat's interview of Trump from Sunday night. Like a unique

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<v Speaker 4>look into the guy.

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<v Speaker 2>Firm but gentlemanly. For all the gazillion interviews he's done.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm often described that same way. Firm but gentlemanly? Yes.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Particularly by the ladies. I'm more slack, but aggrieved. Very attractive.

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<v Speaker 4>Anyway, we didn't get into this not really important question

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<v Speaker 4>about the whole UFO stuff that they brought up late

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<v Speaker 4>in the conversation, which I just, God, if I had

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<v Speaker 4>an hour to talk to Donald Trump, it wouldn't even

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<v Speaker 4>cross my mind to get into the conversation about UFOs.

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<v Speaker 4>So does Ross do that or do a lot of

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<v Speaker 4>newsrooms get a lot of emails and texts from people?

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<v Speaker 4>It's just that's one of their big issues. Spaceships and

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<v Speaker 4>the aliens and alien autopsies and Maybe it's being old

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<v Speaker 4>and bitter, which I certainly am. I just don't think

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<v Speaker 4>it's cute anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>What about Area 51?

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<v Speaker 4>Are people doing it because they think it's cute or

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<v Speaker 4>are they seriously interested? I get the sense they're actually interested,

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<v Speaker 4>which is, again, why I'm a little confused because I'm

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<v Speaker 4>not actually interested. And I'm interested in a lot of

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<v Speaker 4>different things.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, if I thought there was a shred of extraterrestrial ringers,

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<v Speaker 2>I'd be as interested as a human can be, but

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<v Speaker 2>I don't. Nothing would be more interesting. Okay, well, if

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<v Speaker 2>you accept the premise that... Or should we play the

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<v Speaker 2>clip first? Because I'm going to ruin it. Well, I'll

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<v Speaker 2>finish the sentence. Well, I think we should probably play

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<v Speaker 2>the clip before you ruin it. I don't know. I've

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<v Speaker 2>already got a head of steam. If you accept the

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<v Speaker 2>premise that the.

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<v Speaker 2>Unidentified aerial vehicles have something to do with extraterrestrial life.

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<v Speaker 2>The idea that the president would reveal it to you

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<v Speaker 2>simply because you ask is hilariously idiotic. You're right.

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<v Speaker 4>That's always the underlying weird thing about it's the biggest

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<v Speaker 4>secret on planet Earth. But since you asked, I guess

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<v Speaker 4>I'll tell you.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like asking your spouse, are you going to murder

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<v Speaker 2>me in my sleep? If they're going to, they won't

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<v Speaker 2>tell you.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh, crap.

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<v Speaker 4>I wish you hadn't asked that because I was planning

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<v Speaker 4>it for Thursday and now you've ruined it.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly. Dang it. You got me because you asked me. No,

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<v Speaker 2>it's anyway.

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<v Speaker 4>That's a good question. And Ross Douthat. So he must

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<v Speaker 4>be trying to satisfy an audience out there. He thinks

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<v Speaker 4>doesn't get that because obviously if if. If it's something

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<v Speaker 4>they want, if it exists, and I don't think it exists,

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<v Speaker 4>but if the information exists and they wanted us to know,

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<v Speaker 4>they would lay it out to us in some way.

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<v Speaker 4>They're not waiting for the right interviewer to come along

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<v Speaker 4>and ask them the question.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe Ross is slightly less old and slightly less bitter

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<v Speaker 2>or something. I don't know. Again, I just don't think

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<v Speaker 2>it's that cute. Anyway, here's how the conversation went.

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<v Speaker 6>Alone among modern administrations has spent a lot of time

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<v Speaker 6>releasing footage of of UFOs, unidentified flying objects. Is there

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<v Speaker 6>anything that you have seen or heard about or been

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<v Speaker 6>told about that would lead you to think that there's

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<v Speaker 6>something more there than just we're having a good time

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<v Speaker 6>looking at things in the sky?

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<v Speaker 5>It's so amazing that you asked this question because it

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<v Speaker 5>is one of the Questions in private I get asked about.

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<v Speaker 5>More people ask me about UFOs than, I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>I believe it.

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<v Speaker 5>People, people that you wouldn't think.

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<v Speaker 2>So what's the answer? So here's the story.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm not too much of a believer, but I sat

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<v Speaker 5>in the Oval Office, first term and a little bit

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<v Speaker 5>second term, meeting with Air Force pilots that are really good,

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<v Speaker 5>solid people. These are not people that you would say

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<v Speaker 5>are conspiracy theorists, but they're great, great pilots. They're the

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<v Speaker 5>real deal. And they've told me things that are very strange.

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<v Speaker 5>They said that, in certain cases, they said, yes, there's

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<v Speaker 5>something going on out there. Because they're flying an F-22,

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<v Speaker 5>which is the best there is, the fastest, the best

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<v Speaker 5>plane that anyone's ever seen. And something goes by them

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<v Speaker 5>at three times their speed.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's round. It's not aerodynamic. It's round. So that's

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<v Speaker 2>the mystery.

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<v Speaker 6>But then along with those pilots, there's a set of

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<v Speaker 6>people who have styled themselves as whistleblowers. who have come

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<v Speaker 6>out and said, actually, there's also a secret program that

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<v Speaker 6>even presidents don't know about to study this stuff. Have

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<v Speaker 6>you seen any evidence that that is the case?

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<v Speaker 5>No, and I haven't heard that, but if there is,

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<v Speaker 5>I'm going to find out about it right after this interview.

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<v Speaker 4>So, like, Douthat's a smart guy, and so the way

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<v Speaker 4>he phrased that question in the beginning where he says...

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<v Speaker 4>Have you seen anything, heard anything, or been told anything? Like,

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<v Speaker 4>if I cover all the different angles, then he'll have

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<v Speaker 4>to tell me. Read anything. Right, because if I leave

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<v Speaker 4>one of those out, Trump might think to himself, I

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<v Speaker 4>wasn't told it, I read it. So I'll continue to

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<v Speaker 4>keep the biggest secret on Earth.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know what? And I like Ross. And I

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<v Speaker 2>like Ross. I like what he writes. I like him

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<v Speaker 2>on 60 Minutes. But I hated the way he asked

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<v Speaker 2>that question. I would have asked it, all right, with

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<v Speaker 2>everything you've seen, been briefed on, etc., Is there any

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<v Speaker 2>part of you that thinks this is not foreign technology

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<v Speaker 2>or experimental technology or whatever? Is there any part of

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<v Speaker 2>you that thinks this may be extraterrestrial? What percentage of

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<v Speaker 2>you thinks maybe some of it is? Because for me,

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<v Speaker 2>the answer is zero.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I think the good question is if the federal

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<v Speaker 4>government became aware of extraterrestrial life, would you share it

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<v Speaker 4>with the American people? Or would the government think they

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<v Speaker 4>need to keep it a secret from us?

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<v Speaker 2>And if so, why? I would think they would want

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<v Speaker 2>to keep it a secret until they had a better

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<v Speaker 2>handle on it. So that we don't panic? Well, right, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Panic would be a big part of it. What would

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<v Speaker 2>we do? In what way would we panic? Have you

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<v Speaker 2>ever seen panic? Just run around in circles. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Give me a second. I could imagine various wild gyrations

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<v Speaker 2>of the stock market.

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<v Speaker 4>That's actually what my son did when Trump got shot.

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<v Speaker 4>He was much younger then.

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<v Speaker 2>He panicked. He actually ran in circles. Wow. How interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>But no, I think if you knew that as a government,

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<v Speaker 2>but you didn't have a handle on it at all,

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<v Speaker 2>you would not bring it out. What's the positive effect

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<v Speaker 2>of bringing it up? letting people know there isn't one.

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<v Speaker 4>I feel like we ought to know. Katie, do you

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<v Speaker 4>have a comment on this? I definitely think the government

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<v Speaker 4>should tell us. I don't believe they're so much more

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<v Speaker 4>wise than we are that they should have the information

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<v Speaker 4>and not give it to us.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, during the Armstrong administration, you'll behave that way. If

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<v Speaker 2>I find out something that is highly classified and secret

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<v Speaker 2>and we're not sure what to do with it, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>keeping my mouth shut. I don't know about you, two schmucks,

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<v Speaker 2>but if all hell breaks loose, I'm buying all of

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<v Speaker 2>the toilet paper. Schmucks is a good word. It's not

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<v Speaker 2>a good word. I'm telling everybody immediately. We saw a spaceship.

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<v Speaker 4>In fact, it crashed and we are dissecting the alien

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<v Speaker 4>right now. And we'll let you know how it goes.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, we could have alien zoos. Well, that's a beautiful dream.

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<v Speaker 2>I do love zoos. And, you know, the panda as

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<v Speaker 2>an attraction. Please, Xi Jinping, take your pandas and shove

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<v Speaker 2>them up your Winnie the Pooh hiney. We got space

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<v Speaker 2>aliens in our zoos now. You don't need your damn

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<v Speaker 2>panda bears. Seriously?

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<v Speaker 4>And then we can move on from this. What to

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<v Speaker 4>me is just a dumb topic for, like, fifth graders.

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<v Speaker 4>But it keeps coming up. How about Trump saying, I

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<v Speaker 4>get this question more than practically anything when I'm going around?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, from idiots. You know, Brett Baier did a similar

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<v Speaker 2>interview with somebody, and he had that smiling, chuckling. Is

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<v Speaker 2>it that everybody thinks everybody else takes this seriously? I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>I guess that's kind of the question I have. I

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<v Speaker 4>think this is dumb, but I'm going to ask on

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<v Speaker 4>behalf of all the people who are serious about this.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, right. And just so you understand, I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>it's inconceivable that some alien civilization would send forth probes

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<v Speaker 2>like we do all the time. I just think it's

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<v Speaker 2>so spectacularly, indescribably unlikely that it's not happening. Well, and

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<v Speaker 2>only the, and somehow the federal government would know it,

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<v Speaker 2>but nobody else. It would, nobody would leak it credibly.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>You're going to have a whole bunch of people who

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<v Speaker 4>know the biggest secret in the universe, that there's life

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<v Speaker 4>somewhere else, and they're going to keep it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, not only somewhere else, but they've come here. Well, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>To our neighborhood. Right. To summarize my argument on the topic,

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<v Speaker 2>and I enjoy counter-arguments, so fire away, mailbag at armstrongandgetty.com,

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<v Speaker 2>is of all the possible explanations for that spherical-looking thing

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<v Speaker 2>that moved faster than a jet... You would have to

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<v Speaker 2>work through roughly a thousand and six explanations before you

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<v Speaker 2>got to. It came from a distant civilization on a

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<v Speaker 2>planet 50 million light years away. I mean, come on.

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<v Speaker 2>Buzzed us for a while, then left. Or hid behind

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<v Speaker 2>the local clouds.

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<v Speaker 4>And again, to repeat again, the dumbest part of it

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<v Speaker 4>all is you ask it as if the information exists.

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<v Speaker 4>Now in this setting is how it's going to come out.

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<v Speaker 4>All right, so perfect gift time.

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<v Speaker 4>We're going to be asking the question, is this cancel

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<v Speaker 4>culture or just the market reacting to something that's abhorrent?

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<v Speaker 4>Are those different things?

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<v Speaker 2>I think they are.

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<v Speaker 4>Around the whole joking about Charlie Kirk's assassination. Among other

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<v Speaker 4>things on the way.

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<v Speaker 2>Stay here. Armstrong and Getty. The Armstrong and Getty Show.

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<v Speaker 2>Happy birthday to Gordon Ramsay. He turned 60. He took

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<v Speaker 2>one bite of cake, then hurled it against the wall

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<v Speaker 2>because the frosting was *.

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<v Speaker 4>* * *.

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<v Speaker 2>That's one of my favorite Gutfeld jokes. I like that.

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<v Speaker 2>I somehow missed it. I missed the beginning, I guess.

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<v Speaker 2>What was the joke? It was his birthday and they

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<v Speaker 2>made him a cake.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh.

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<v Speaker 4>He threw it against the wall and screeched obscenities. We

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<v Speaker 4>haven't gotten to this story yet of it's a growing

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<v Speaker 4>thing of parents hiring lawyers to go after teachers who

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<v Speaker 4>give their kids lower grades than they think they're supposed

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<v Speaker 4>to get.

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<v Speaker 2>I believe that is the end of the human of

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<v Speaker 2>the American civilization. We have become something different.

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<v Speaker 4>I was talking to a parent the other day who said,

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<v Speaker 4>I always side with the teacher when my kid gets

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<v Speaker 4>in trouble. I always side with the teacher, no matter what.

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<v Speaker 4>I just feel like I've got to. But yeah, man,

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<v Speaker 4>there's a lot of parents who feel the other way around.

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<v Speaker 4>Always side with your kid.

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<v Speaker 2>With the unbelievable, unconscionable grade inflation going on and everything,

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<v Speaker 2>a kid gets a C and his parents sue over it.

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<v Speaker 2>Unless there's a hell of a lot more to the story.

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<v Speaker 4>So Scott Besson is a treasury secretary. Gay man, but

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<v Speaker 4>gets no credit for that because he's a Republican. If

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<v Speaker 4>he was a Democrat, they would mention the first gay

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<v Speaker 4>secretary of the treasury every single.

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<v Speaker 2>Time his name is uttered. They mention him.

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<v Speaker 4>But he he's the guy running the whole economic crackdown

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<v Speaker 4>on Iran. And they hate that. And they have been

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<v Speaker 4>wanting to kill him for quite some time. And so

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<v Speaker 4>the New York Times is reporting today, Maggie Haberman and

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<v Speaker 4>Jonathan Swan. I mean, this is two of their biggest

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<v Speaker 4>time reporters talking to people, speaking on a condition of

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<v Speaker 4>anonymity that Scott Besson and his family moved out of

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<v Speaker 4>his home in Washington, D.C., and onto a military base

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<v Speaker 4>because of threats to his life that had reached a

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<v Speaker 4>point that the threats have gotten more severe and they

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<v Speaker 4>believe more real threats. So we moved more of our

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<v Speaker 4>planes from a different British base to Germany the other

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<v Speaker 4>day because Iran's threats are credible. Besson is the latest

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<v Speaker 4>senior Trump administration official to leave their home for a

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<v Speaker 4>military base or other protected housing because of threats from Iran.

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<v Speaker 4>A half dozen did last year, including Stephen Miller. Some

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<v Speaker 4>people call him the space cowboy and Pam Bondi and

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<v Speaker 4>a few others. So my question is this. If Iran

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<v Speaker 4>assassinated our Treasury Secretary, would that benefit them? Do they

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<v Speaker 4>think we would back down at that point or that

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<v Speaker 4>we wouldn't go apes nuts? Or what do they think

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<v Speaker 4>would happen? What do you think would happen? What do

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<v Speaker 4>I think would happen?

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<v Speaker 2>I just think they well, they seen we've taken out

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<v Speaker 2>a bunch of theirs. They're going to take out a

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<v Speaker 2>bunch of ours.

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<v Speaker 4>You don't think that we would respond like the next

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<v Speaker 4>day by just obliterating?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we would do something for sure, but that's their

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<v Speaker 2>thinking is they took out ours, we're going to take

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<v Speaker 2>out theirs.

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<v Speaker 4>I feel like I've felt like the whole time where

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<v Speaker 4>they're just hanging on and kicking the can down the

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<v Speaker 4>road is to their benefit rather than making us so

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<v Speaker 4>mad that we just absolutely wipe them out. But, I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>you do have the example of Going all the way

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<v Speaker 4>back to Reagan when they blew up all those Marines

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<v Speaker 4>at that base in Beirut. We pulled out is what

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<v Speaker 4>we did.

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<v Speaker 2>Look at the results of the election. Are you sure that,

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<v Speaker 2>you know?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. I wonder how the public would react if Besset

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<v Speaker 4>was assassinated. What would the polling be on that?

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<v Speaker 2>Plus, I'm sticking my neck out here. It could be

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<v Speaker 2>death cultist religious fanatics might be making a miscalculation. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>It's possible.

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<v Speaker 2>That's an excellent point. What is cancel culture and what

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<v Speaker 2>is legitimate outrage? We will discuss next.

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<v Speaker 4>The Armstrong and Getty.

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<v Speaker 3>Show.

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<v Speaker 6>Yo, yo, how you doing?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm actually great. Thank you for asking. I'm tired. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>me too. You know what I was just thinking? This

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<v Speaker 2>is a one-percenter problem, quote-unquote. Love what I do. Love

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<v Speaker 2>what I do. And it's about this time in the

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<v Speaker 2>show that I think about the things I can do afterward,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm really excited about it. I'm thinking, wow, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to do this and that, and that'll be fun,

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<v Speaker 2>and that I need to take care of. It's that

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<v Speaker 2>last hour and a half of the show. I just

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<v Speaker 2>get so tired. I remember when my.

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<v Speaker 4>Life was like that before I had kids. Now I think, man,

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<v Speaker 4>when I get off the show, I got so many

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<v Speaker 4>things I got to do.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you're being driven. Work, work, yes. Exactly. Yes, exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember the driven years. Good times. Anyway, actually, they

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<v Speaker 2>were good times.

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<v Speaker 4>They were wonderful fantastic they're the most fulfilling times but

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<v Speaker 4>they're not uh relaxing yeah i don't think would be

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<v Speaker 4>the right.

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<v Speaker 2>Term and i have never been nor will ever be

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<v Speaker 2>again as disciplined as i was back in the day

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<v Speaker 2>and i wasn't a single dad like yourself so Anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>God bless you for the work you do. That sounded insincere,

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<v Speaker 2>and I apologize. God bless you for the work you do.

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<v Speaker 2>I have that problem.

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<v Speaker 4>Everything I say, I can mean it sincerely as hell,

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<v Speaker 4>but it just sounds like I'm trying to.

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<v Speaker 2>Be a smartass. I was thinking, okay, now I need

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<v Speaker 2>to do this next thing, and that came off poorly. Michael,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm ashamed. I love you, and I think you're fantastic. Wow, wow, wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Do we need to talk?

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<v Speaker 5>Oh, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd love to spend the rest of my life with you. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. Oh, my.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not sure I got that tone right.

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<v Speaker 2>All right. So here's here's here's the story, friends. There

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<v Speaker 2>is a podcast that is quite popular on the left. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>let me let me put it. Let me start here.

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<v Speaker 2>It is sincerely shocked and sickened me some of the

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<v Speaker 2>gleefulness on the young left over the assassination of Charlie Kirk.

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<v Speaker 2>And how they sell T-shirts with blood spatters similar to

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<v Speaker 2>that of Mr. Kirk, the young father who bled out

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<v Speaker 2>after being shot through the throat by a confused young

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<v Speaker 2>man who had recently latched on to trans rights as

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<v Speaker 2>his cause. um it's horrifying to me it's as if

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<v Speaker 2>you know well there are a thousand examples conservatives had

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<v Speaker 2>just big fun with mlk taking a bullet to the

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<v Speaker 2>head i mean just with t-shirts for sale and the

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<v Speaker 2>rest of it i can't imagine the horror and disgust

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<v Speaker 2>that would be greeted with on every side or every

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<v Speaker 2>you know point of the political spectrum and yet we

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<v Speaker 2>live in the had it that is popular on the

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<v Speaker 2>left it is hosted by two youngish middle-aged white women

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<v Speaker 2>jennifer welch and angie sullivan who traffic in what you're

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<v Speaker 2>about to hear this sort of thing a fair amount

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<v Speaker 2>but they crossed a bit of a line here 95

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<v Speaker 2>please michael.

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<v Speaker 7>Uh dad morose says we're digging up charlie kirk and doing.

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<v Speaker 2>It again I'm zooming into the fox. It's on video.

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<v Speaker 2>They're cracking.

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<v Speaker 5>Up.

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<v Speaker 2>No comment.

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<v Speaker 1>No comment.

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<v Speaker 2>No comment on that.

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<v Speaker 1>Other than he was shot by somebody that was super

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<v Speaker 1>MAGA family.

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<v Speaker 2>He was shot by a MAGA person.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>So do that with what you will.

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<v Speaker 7>White person, white MAGA family.

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<v Speaker 4>So you gave an example of conservatives doing this, but

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<v Speaker 4>your example was 60 years ago. So do you have

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<v Speaker 4>one that's more recent?

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<v Speaker 2>Because I don't.

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<v Speaker 4>Of conservatives gleeful about the death of somebody? I suppose

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<v Speaker 4>if I was going to ask a progressive, like a

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<v Speaker 4>Morning Joe sort of person, they'd say you're. I don't

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<v Speaker 4>think people are gleeful about any of these, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>ICE raids that end up with somebody dead, that woman

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<v Speaker 4>in the car up in Minnesota. I don't remember anybody

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<v Speaker 4>being gleeful about it. Well, and if they were, I

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<v Speaker 4>think you're a scumbag and a monster. And were you

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<v Speaker 4>abused as a child or what?

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<v Speaker 2>What's the matter with you?

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<v Speaker 4>And I don't mean justifying in the prejudicial way people

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<v Speaker 4>use the word justify. I mean, you're coming up with

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<v Speaker 4>a reason why you think it was okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>But the laughing and giggling about it, I haven't heard

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<v Speaker 4>anybody do that on the right about anybody dying.

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<v Speaker 2>Just morally bankrupt. What is wrong with you? I know

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<v Speaker 2>that's really, really sick. God, I'd say. Yeah, God, I'd

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<v Speaker 2>like to talk about the moral disease going on right now,

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<v Speaker 2>but let's just stick with the story. So folks became

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<v Speaker 2>aware of this, and quite a campaign was started on

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<v Speaker 2>the right. to alert the sponsors of this very profitable

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<v Speaker 2>video podcast.

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<v Speaker 4>So this is a successful podcast because anybody with a

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<v Speaker 4>phone or computer can have a podcast, but this one's okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh no, they have many big dollar corporate sponsors, brands

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<v Speaker 2>you've heard of. Um, and I recently, let's see, I

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<v Speaker 2>saw a tweet that, um, the libs of tick tock, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>Twitter accounts at breaking 16 brands have now ended their

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<v Speaker 2>partnership with the I've had it podcast after the host

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<v Speaker 2>laughed at and, mocked Charlie Kersk's, uh, assassination. And there was,

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<v Speaker 2>there's quite a move on the right to get their

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<v Speaker 2>sponsors to drop them, uh, contacting them directly. And they've, uh, and,

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<v Speaker 2>and the folks who've, um, who've, uh, been pushing this, uh, boycott,

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<v Speaker 2>it's more than a boycott. It's a, an effort to

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<v Speaker 2>get their sponsors to drop them, have sample letters that

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<v Speaker 2>are very respectful, but very adamant about how sick this is,

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<v Speaker 2>morally brave, et cetera, et cetera. And it's working so far.

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<v Speaker 2>Here is one of the co-hostesses of the I've Had

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<v Speaker 2>It podcast, Jennifer Welch, talking about the campaign. We'll start

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<v Speaker 2>with 90, Michael, and go from there. All right.

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<v Speaker 7>There's a huge online cancellation campaign from all the babies

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<v Speaker 7>over at Turning Point that want I've Had It podcast

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<v Speaker 7>to be canceled. Why is Turning Point spearheading this? Well,

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<v Speaker 7>let me tell you why. They are in big trouble.

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<v Speaker 7>Even Republicans are starting to question, are they worth it?

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<v Speaker 7>They get millions of dollars in funding. And as everybody

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<v Speaker 7>saw on Tuesday, they got L after L after L

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<v Speaker 7>after L because they're losers and they lost because they

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<v Speaker 7>believe in nothing.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow. Okay. Then there's a long clip about they're trying

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<v Speaker 2>to ignite a war with us. The apology wasn't for you.

0:25:46.520 --> 0:25:48.290
<v Speaker 2>It was for us, blah, blah, blah. Then let's go

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<v Speaker 2>to 92.

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<v Speaker 7>I don't expect you to understand this because at turning point,

0:25:53.040 --> 0:25:55.820
<v Speaker 7>y'all laugh at violence all the time. You talk about

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<v Speaker 7>how empathy is toxic and a worthless feeling. So I

0:25:58.320 --> 0:26:00.260
<v Speaker 7>don't expect you to understand that. But for you to

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<v Speaker 7>think that apology was for you just exemplifies how out

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<v Speaker 7>of whack you are with where the American people are

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<v Speaker 7>right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Boy, there was an interesting thing in there. She's suggesting

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<v Speaker 2>that conservatives who talk about toxic empathy are or what

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<v Speaker 2>is God's sod, what's his book, Fatal Empathy? Suicidal Empathy.

0:26:19.820 --> 0:26:23.899
<v Speaker 2>Suicidal Empathy, right. That she interprets that or claims to

0:26:23.940 --> 0:26:27.990
<v Speaker 2>interpret that all empathy is suicidal, which is either you're

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<v Speaker 2>either stupid, Jennifer Welch, or you willfully just don't understand

0:26:34.369 --> 0:26:37.730
<v Speaker 2>the concept. Well, we've been in trouble before. If I

0:26:37.820 --> 0:26:40.500
<v Speaker 2>say you're eating yourself to death, that doesn't mean I'm

0:26:40.660 --> 0:26:43.619
<v Speaker 2>against eating. Well, we've been in trouble before, and sometimes

0:26:43.640 --> 0:26:47.080
<v Speaker 2>you craft your explanation or apology in such a way

0:26:47.140 --> 0:26:53.560
<v Speaker 2>as to get out of trouble, but without giving in

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<v Speaker 2>on the things you believe.

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<v Speaker 4>And I think they believe laughing about Charlie Kirk's death

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<v Speaker 4>is okay, so they're trying to get out of trouble

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<v Speaker 4>without having to give in on that.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's her co-host Angie Sullivan.

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<v Speaker 1>And I am not going to be lectured by these people.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you kidding me?

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<v Speaker 1>These people support representatives to Congress that protect pedophiles and

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<v Speaker 1>sex traffickers. They're completely fine with American citizens being gunned

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<v Speaker 1>down on the streets of Minnesota. They're fine with putting

0:27:24.800 --> 0:27:29.679
<v Speaker 1>people in cages and treating them like animals. We're toxic, Andrew?

0:27:29.700 --> 0:27:31.040
<v Speaker 2>I don't think so.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the difference between us and you.

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<v Speaker 2>One more clip.

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<v Speaker 1>And for those of you at Turning Point who are

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<v Speaker 1>worried that I don't talk enough, but yet you do

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<v Speaker 1>not believe in universal human rights, I want you to

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<v Speaker 1>hear me.

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<v Speaker 2>F * * * off. F * * * all

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<v Speaker 2>the way off.

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<v Speaker 4>Universal human rights. I suppose that means open borders. Nobody

0:27:53.050 --> 0:27:56.690
<v Speaker 4>is illegal. And also, I think you were going to

0:27:56.730 --> 0:27:58.830
<v Speaker 4>get to this, or am I jumping the gun on that?

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<v Speaker 3>Go ahead.

0:27:59.270 --> 0:28:03.610
<v Speaker 4>Is it cancel culture to go after the advertisers for

0:28:03.670 --> 0:28:04.550
<v Speaker 4>something like this?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I suppose we could move on to that. I'm

0:28:08.240 --> 0:28:14.330
<v Speaker 2>fascinated by, and it's funny, just kind of by coincidence,

0:28:14.350 --> 0:28:21.590
<v Speaker 2>I've been doing a lot of reading lately about Islamism, Nazism,

0:28:21.830 --> 0:28:25.350
<v Speaker 2>and a couple other political movements, and then coming across, oh,

0:28:25.369 --> 0:28:27.290
<v Speaker 2>you know what? I actually asked for this audio. I

0:28:27.330 --> 0:28:30.370
<v Speaker 2>don't think we got it. The great writer Bertrand Russell

0:28:31.090 --> 0:28:41.420
<v Speaker 2>talking about The one symptom of sickness, ideological sickness, is

0:28:41.460 --> 0:28:43.890
<v Speaker 2>what you're hearing from these gals over and over again.

0:28:43.910 --> 0:28:50.590
<v Speaker 2>The utter certainty that everything they say is true and

0:28:50.630 --> 0:28:54.430
<v Speaker 2>the impossibility that there's another point of view that has

0:28:54.570 --> 0:28:58.250
<v Speaker 2>any truth to it. That is the one earmark of

0:28:58.290 --> 0:29:03.540
<v Speaker 2>a dangerous philosophy. And they just drip it. Anyway.

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<v Speaker 4>I wish we had some better apples to apples comparisons.

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<v Speaker 4>If I knew anybody who laughed at the idea.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, how about that nice dopey lady in Minnesota who

0:29:14.210 --> 0:29:17.350
<v Speaker 2>got shot in her minivan? You know, selling t-shirts that

0:29:17.390 --> 0:29:21.050
<v Speaker 2>have holes in the minivans. Bullet holes in the minivan

0:29:21.410 --> 0:29:25.680
<v Speaker 2>and her blood dripping out of it. Saying, I don't

0:29:25.700 --> 0:29:28.800
<v Speaker 2>know what it would say. I don't know. But thinking

0:29:28.840 --> 0:29:33.260
<v Speaker 2>that was funny? think what the F is wrong with you. Right.

0:29:34.280 --> 0:29:37.470
<v Speaker 2>It's an incredibly unfortunate situation. No matter who is at

0:29:37.510 --> 0:29:41.800
<v Speaker 2>fault and in what measure, a night misguided lady from

0:29:41.820 --> 0:29:46.870
<v Speaker 2>Minnesota is dead. Her kids are motherless. I don't care

0:29:46.910 --> 0:29:51.270
<v Speaker 2>how freaking misguided she was. That's sad. But these chicks

0:29:51.430 --> 0:29:56.120
<v Speaker 2>have that moral certainty. which philosophers through the ages would

0:29:56.140 --> 0:29:59.130
<v Speaker 2>tell you turns humans into monsters. Oh, I'm sorry. The

0:29:59.170 --> 0:30:02.610
<v Speaker 2>other thing I left out is I have belatedly joined you, Jack,

0:30:02.650 --> 0:30:07.810
<v Speaker 2>in your fascination with the French Revolution. And I'm particularly

0:30:07.850 --> 0:30:09.510
<v Speaker 2>reading about the terror right now. There's a lot more

0:30:09.530 --> 0:30:12.090
<v Speaker 2>to the revolution than the terror. But that is the

0:30:12.330 --> 0:30:16.210
<v Speaker 2>one aspect of it that really leaps out is Robespierre

0:30:16.230 --> 0:30:22.040
<v Speaker 2>was so admired because of his Utter moral confidence and conviction.

0:30:22.060 --> 0:30:26.760
<v Speaker 2>And he was morally pure from their point of view.

0:30:27.180 --> 0:30:33.200
<v Speaker 2>He was consistent. He was amazingly consistent, but utterly, utterly

0:30:33.280 --> 0:30:35.700
<v Speaker 2>unwilling to entertain the idea that he could be wrong

0:30:35.740 --> 0:30:38.440
<v Speaker 2>in even the smallest aspect. So that's I'm sorry. That's

0:30:38.480 --> 0:30:42.640
<v Speaker 2>why I'm so sensitive to that in their voices. But anyway,

0:30:42.720 --> 0:30:45.850
<v Speaker 2>to your excellent question, at what point is it council

0:30:45.890 --> 0:30:46.510
<v Speaker 2>council culture?

0:30:47.600 --> 0:30:51.590
<v Speaker 4>Versus the market just saying that's outside the bounds of

0:30:52.380 --> 0:30:55.070
<v Speaker 4>acceptable behavior in society and we're not going to support it.

0:30:55.430 --> 0:30:55.590
<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's consider that. Very, very interesting question. After a word

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0:31:10.350 --> 0:31:13.250
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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, the fact that people can get this information on

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<v Speaker 4>They're doing that quietly in the background for me right now.

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<v Speaker 2>This would be your full time job for the rest

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<v Speaker 2>So when does it become cancel culture? I think alerting...

0:32:13.350 --> 0:32:20.270
<v Speaker 2>sponsors to what was said and saying, I think, all right,

0:32:20.330 --> 0:32:22.410
<v Speaker 2>here's the, you know how like in Vegas, they have

0:32:22.430 --> 0:32:24.350
<v Speaker 2>the over under how many total points are going to

0:32:24.370 --> 0:32:28.020
<v Speaker 2>be scored. And if you're into sports at all sports betting,

0:32:29.260 --> 0:32:31.860
<v Speaker 2>they're geniuses at it. You look at that over under

0:32:31.900 --> 0:32:37.640
<v Speaker 2>and you think, huh, that's like exactly really hard to say. So,

0:32:37.720 --> 0:32:41.270
<v Speaker 2>all right, here's your over under. Alerting the brands that

0:32:41.430 --> 0:32:45.430
<v Speaker 2>advertise on that reprehensible show and saying, hey, just wanted

0:32:45.470 --> 0:32:48.430
<v Speaker 2>you to know this is the sort of content your

0:32:48.490 --> 0:32:50.250
<v Speaker 2>brand is being tied to.

0:32:50.710 --> 0:32:53.720
<v Speaker 4>Versus I'll never shop at your store again unless you

0:32:53.760 --> 0:32:54.680
<v Speaker 4>stop advertising.

0:32:55.260 --> 0:32:58.840
<v Speaker 2>Right, exactly. So I think my scenario might be the over-under.

0:32:58.960 --> 0:33:02.380
<v Speaker 2>Is that cancel culture or is it not? I don't

0:33:02.560 --> 0:33:06.820
<v Speaker 2>think it is. The intent is clearly to damage sales.

0:33:08.150 --> 0:33:12.490
<v Speaker 2>the reprehensible Jennifer Welch and Angie Sullivan. Because your motivation

0:33:12.530 --> 0:33:14.440
<v Speaker 2>is not to protect the good folks, and I don't

0:33:14.460 --> 0:33:15.950
<v Speaker 2>have the list of the sponsors in front of me,

0:33:16.160 --> 0:33:19.500
<v Speaker 2>but again, it's some pretty big names. My intent is

0:33:19.540 --> 0:33:23.260
<v Speaker 2>not to help them. It's to hurt Welch and Sullivan.

0:33:23.680 --> 0:33:26.740
<v Speaker 2>But when does that become cancel culture, or is that

0:33:26.830 --> 0:33:27.530
<v Speaker 2>cancel culture?

0:33:27.610 --> 0:33:27.890
<v Speaker 5>I don't know.

0:33:27.910 --> 0:33:30.290
<v Speaker 4>We've had people go after our advertisers and us before

0:33:31.310 --> 0:33:33.610
<v Speaker 4>over some ridiculous things. We should probably tell those stories

0:33:33.670 --> 0:33:36.170
<v Speaker 4>in depth someday, but Well, like.

0:33:36.210 --> 0:33:42.450
<v Speaker 2>Those two miserable wretches, they would have the sort of

0:33:42.550 --> 0:33:46.040
<v Speaker 2>moral certainty when we say, I mean, like our screen

0:33:46.100 --> 0:33:48.420
<v Speaker 2>on Islamism that I kind of led, what was it,

0:33:48.440 --> 0:33:53.720
<v Speaker 2>last hour or earlier this hour? I don't remember. Had

0:33:53.740 --> 0:33:58.210
<v Speaker 2>to be last hour. Yeah, it was last hour. They

0:33:58.250 --> 0:34:00.950
<v Speaker 2>would have the moral certainty that that was so horrifyingly

0:34:01.030 --> 0:34:05.190
<v Speaker 2>objectionable that our sponsors should drop us. In the same

0:34:05.290 --> 0:34:08.640
<v Speaker 2>way that I think having a big laugh about a

0:34:08.739 --> 0:34:13.040
<v Speaker 2>young father being slaughtered in public and that sort of

0:34:13.080 --> 0:34:16.440
<v Speaker 2>thing is just so clearly beyond the pale. So moral

0:34:16.620 --> 0:34:19.580
<v Speaker 2>certainty can't be the line. No, I don't know.

0:34:19.660 --> 0:34:22.450
<v Speaker 4>That's a tough one. Wherever the line is, they crossed it.

0:34:22.940 --> 0:34:24.930
<v Speaker 2>All right. I did some research on this. I want

0:34:24.950 --> 0:34:26.210
<v Speaker 2>to get your point of view, but we need to

0:34:26.230 --> 0:34:30.050
<v Speaker 2>take a break. All right. Stay here. Armstrong and Getty.

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<v Speaker 1>The Armstrong and Getty Show.

0:34:41.830 --> 0:34:43.220
<v Speaker 4>Probably have to do it now or before I want

0:34:43.239 --> 0:34:46.400
<v Speaker 4>to tell you my story. What happened at the Safeway

0:34:46.440 --> 0:34:48.260
<v Speaker 4>grocery store near my house yesterday?

0:34:48.800 --> 0:34:55.400
<v Speaker 2>Unbelievable. Absolutely unbelievable. Stay tuned. So when I croak it sooner,

0:34:55.500 --> 0:35:00.060
<v Speaker 2>probably rather than later, and you're remembering me, if you

0:35:00.140 --> 0:35:03.660
<v Speaker 2>were to say that right through your pockets. Hey, fair enough.

0:35:03.680 --> 0:35:06.180
<v Speaker 2>I don't need this stuff anymore. If you were to

0:35:06.239 --> 0:35:09.660
<v Speaker 2>say of me, all of you, you know that Joe Getty,

0:35:09.700 --> 0:35:12.160
<v Speaker 2>he could be a real jerk, but by God, he

0:35:12.180 --> 0:35:17.400
<v Speaker 2>was consistent on free speech. Man, he really thought that

0:35:17.420 --> 0:35:23.000
<v Speaker 2>was important. I would be gratified. So continuing our discussion

0:35:23.020 --> 0:35:24.440
<v Speaker 2>from the last segment, if you missed it, you ought

0:35:24.460 --> 0:35:26.459
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0:35:26.500 --> 0:35:32.140
<v Speaker 2>You would never miss anything. What is the line between

0:35:33.960 --> 0:35:37.440
<v Speaker 2>criticism and cancel culture. And I did a bunch of

0:35:37.480 --> 0:35:40.900
<v Speaker 2>reading about this and actually made some notes. And the

0:35:40.920 --> 0:35:44.299
<v Speaker 2>best thinking I came across was the fundamental distinction is

0:35:44.480 --> 0:35:51.779
<v Speaker 2>probably between answering objectionable speech and preventing the speaker from

0:35:51.840 --> 0:35:59.570
<v Speaker 2>being heard. Contacting sponsors is kind of a middle ground,

0:35:59.650 --> 0:36:06.980
<v Speaker 2>although the intent is pretty clear. But demanding advertisers withdraw support,

0:36:07.040 --> 0:36:09.279
<v Speaker 2>not simply because they object to the content, but to

0:36:09.300 --> 0:36:15.600
<v Speaker 2>make continued publication financially impossible, that's cancel culture. And it

0:36:15.900 --> 0:36:19.970
<v Speaker 2>comes back to John Stuart Mill's arguments on liberty, which

0:36:20.050 --> 0:36:22.049
<v Speaker 2>is one of the most influential things I've ever read

0:36:22.070 --> 0:36:23.910
<v Speaker 2>in my life, and I need to reread it again.

0:36:24.450 --> 0:36:27.690
<v Speaker 2>But it's a question of the appropriate response to objectionable

0:36:27.730 --> 0:36:30.170
<v Speaker 2>speech is more speech. It's better speech and better ideas,

0:36:30.850 --> 0:36:33.150
<v Speaker 2>not canceling because that gets out of hand so quickly.

0:36:33.770 --> 0:36:36.030
<v Speaker 2>And shouldn't you.

0:36:37.290 --> 0:36:40.969
<v Speaker 4>Assume or hope that, well, they're saying stuff that even

0:36:41.010 --> 0:36:43.570
<v Speaker 4>their audience doesn't like, so their ratings are going to

0:36:43.590 --> 0:36:44.150
<v Speaker 4>go down.

0:36:43.969 --> 0:36:46.759
<v Speaker 2>And they'll be driven out of the business that way. Right, right.

0:36:47.200 --> 0:36:53.500
<v Speaker 2>One interesting counter-regiment is that expressing that sponsors would not

0:36:53.560 --> 0:36:56.860
<v Speaker 2>want to be associated with something so horrible is free

0:36:56.960 --> 0:37:01.650
<v Speaker 2>speech in and of itself. But the problem is, and

0:37:01.690 --> 0:37:05.459
<v Speaker 2>we're so familiar with this phenomenon, Companies have better things

0:37:05.500 --> 0:37:08.980
<v Speaker 2>to worry about. And so they're super risk averse. So

0:37:09.160 --> 0:37:13.750
<v Speaker 2>if I were to say you need to boycott, say,

0:37:13.890 --> 0:37:21.160
<v Speaker 2>Clay and Buck, who are colleagues of ours, because Clay

0:37:21.260 --> 0:37:25.860
<v Speaker 2>wears T-shirts a lot. And I can't believe somebody in

0:37:25.890 --> 0:37:28.219
<v Speaker 2>a position of such influence would wear a T-shirt to work.

0:37:28.620 --> 0:37:31.779
<v Speaker 2>I mean, just an idiotic objection. But I got 50,000

0:37:31.780 --> 0:37:35.940
<v Speaker 2>of my closest friends to hammer, say, General Motors. That's

0:37:36.000 --> 0:37:40.279
<v Speaker 2>despicable on American. GM would think, that's freaking stupid. Well,

0:37:40.320 --> 0:37:42.560
<v Speaker 2>we don't need a headache. And they might drop the ads.

0:37:42.940 --> 0:37:43.140
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:37:44.200 --> 0:37:47.460
<v Speaker 2>We've seen this. Right. Exactly. Over things that were either

0:37:47.500 --> 0:37:50.469
<v Speaker 2>dumb or not true. So if you were hoping for

0:37:50.489 --> 0:37:54.390
<v Speaker 2>a definitive answer to what's legitimate criticism and what's cancel culture,

0:37:54.630 --> 0:37:58.569
<v Speaker 2>and you thought you'd get it here, we don't have one.

0:37:58.650 --> 0:38:00.490
<v Speaker 2>But it's an interesting topic.

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<v Speaker 4>I am wearing a T-shirt right now, which is beneath

0:38:03.530 --> 0:38:04.669
<v Speaker 4>the content of this show.

0:38:04.850 --> 0:38:07.970
<v Speaker 2>Catchy monster. Thank you, Michael.

0:38:09.340 --> 0:38:11.130
<v Speaker 4>My Safeway story in hour four. If you don't get it,

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<v Speaker 4>get the podcast Armstrong and Getty on demand.

0:38:16.219 --> 0:38:17.299
<v Speaker 2>Armstrong and Getty.