1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,040 Speaker 1: And very happy Friday to you. 2 00:00:02,800 --> 00:00:05,760 Speaker 2: At twelve oh seven in the West, it's the John 3 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:10,920 Speaker 2: Phillips Show, broadcasting live from Sacramento, California, the state Capitol. 4 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 2: Mister Randy wanings in Culver City. 5 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 3: John, the World Cup is here. World Cup excitement is increasing, 6 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 3: and we now gotten to the point where the idiots 7 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 3: are coming out. After a big celebration from Mexico beating Korea, 8 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 3: a bunch of dumbasses started doing donuts in Korea town 9 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 3: and shooting guns into the air. 10 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 1: Well. 11 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 2: I guess that's what happens here in Los Angeles. 12 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 3: I feel like for the next few weeks, the World 13 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 3: Cup is going to be heavily featured in the California 14 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 3: crime Ladder. 15 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:51,880 Speaker 1: I think you might be right. 16 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 2: Eight hundred two two two five two two two is 17 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:59,279 Speaker 2: the telephone number? What eight hundred two to two five two 18 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 2: two two. Well, the big talk here in Sacramento right 19 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 2: now is whether or not Gavin Newsom is going to 20 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 2: be able to talk the SCIU into standing down and 21 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 2: not putting their initiative on the November ballot that would 22 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 2: confiscate the wealth of billionaires here in the state of California, 23 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 2: driving yet even more wealth out of the state to 24 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:27,039 Speaker 2: other places like Florida and Texas and Arizona and Nevada. 25 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 2: It's already been estimated that a trillion dollars in wealth 26 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 2: has already left the state of California because of the 27 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:39,760 Speaker 2: possibility of this thing passing. Moosom knows that this initiative 28 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:43,400 Speaker 2: passing would not only be poison for the state of California, 29 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 2: but poison for his presidential ambitions. He does not want 30 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 2: to be known as a tax and spend liberal who 31 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 2: drives business and wealth out of state. So he is 32 00:01:55,920 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 2: working right now negotiating with the sei you trying to 33 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 2: get this thing off the ballot. However, at least up 34 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 2: until now, those efforts have been unsuccessful. 35 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 3: So the SEIU went from of course, we're not going 36 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 3: to negotiate. We believe in this too. They gave an 37 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 3: offer to take this thing off the ballot to Gavin 38 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 3: Newsom and the legislature, and Gavin did not say yes 39 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 3: on the first offer. So let's find out what they 40 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 3: wanted to kill this thing from being on the November 41 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 3: ballot and why Gavin said no. Here is a quick 42 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 3: update from our friends at KCRA three in Sacramento Governor 43 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 3: Gavin Newsom is reacting tonight to the proposed California billionaire's tax. 44 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:47,080 Speaker 4: It just got enough signatures to go before voters in November. 45 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 4: The five percent one time tax would apply to Californians 46 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:53,239 Speaker 4: with a net worth of at least one point one 47 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:54,799 Speaker 4: billion dollars. 48 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:57,640 Speaker 3: And somehow they wrote it that it's retroactive. So even 49 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 3: if you spent one day in the state of Californi 50 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 3: in twenty twenty six. 51 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 1: You're paying. How is that legal? That's a good question 52 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:06,919 Speaker 1: for most of this. 53 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 3: I mean, if this actually passes, which it looking like 54 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 3: if it's on the ballot it will because that's where 55 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 3: the polling is right now. I'm sure there's going to 56 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 3: be a million to one legal challenges as to is 57 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 3: this constitutional. 58 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 4: So if you do the math, that could be fifty 59 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:27,640 Speaker 4: five million dollars in a one time tax. The state 60 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 4: would have to spend that money on healthcare. Governor Gavin 61 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 4: Newsom says he is strongly against it, saying it'll drive 62 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 4: billionaires out of the state. Tonight, his office said the 63 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 4: governor supports making the wealthiest Americans pay their fair share, 64 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 4: but this poorly designed state only measure will defund teachers, schools, clinics, 65 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 4: and public safety. 66 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 3: Now, there was an offer that was made by the 67 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 3: SEIU two Gavin Newsom, and that was, Okay, we're going 68 00:03:57,040 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 3: to put on the ballot a five percent wealth tax. 69 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 3: Gavin will kill this thing if you sign into state 70 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 3: law a two percent wealth tax. And Gavin said hell 71 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:19,559 Speaker 3: to the Now. Well, Gavin's in a world hurt here 72 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 3: in part because I believe you are right. 73 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 2: If this thing does go to the ballot, it is 74 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 2: going to pass, and it's going to pass by wide margins. 75 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:35,280 Speaker 2: And Gavin knows that California is a democratic state. So 76 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 2: if Democratic voters want something in a statewide election, odds 77 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 2: are they're going to get it. I want to go 78 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 2: through some new numbers that just came out about Democrats 79 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:52,160 Speaker 2: and their attitude about socialism, which this would be socialist 80 00:04:52,240 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 2: legislation if passed. Capitalism has fallen through the floor with Democrats. 81 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,480 Speaker 2: Twenty two percent of Democrats not in the state, but 82 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 2: nationally have a favorable view of capitalism forty two percent, 83 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 2: So it's now fallen under fifty percent nationally. Socialism, on 84 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:17,600 Speaker 2: the other hand, is up like a rocket two and 85 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:23,719 Speaker 2: three Democrats have a favorable view of socialism. Socialism is 86 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:28,280 Speaker 2: now on the rise with Democrats and capitalism is on 87 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 2: the decline. And we have seen this proven time and 88 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 2: time again. Not just with what happened in the LA 89 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 2: mayor's race where Nitthia Rahman, who was not expected to 90 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 2: make it to the November ballot, ended up making it 91 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 2: to the November ballot, but look at the growing block 92 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:52,279 Speaker 2: of DSA candidates on the city council, which is really 93 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 2: important because the city council is where the legislation comes from. 94 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:59,600 Speaker 2: In the city of Los Angeles, that DSA block has 95 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:03,480 Speaker 2: gone from from one or two to being close to 96 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 2: a majority. Look at what happened in New York City 97 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 2: with that mayor's race, where the socialist candidate blew entrenched 98 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:15,840 Speaker 2: Democratic candidates, including a former governor, a former mayor under 99 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:19,599 Speaker 2: out of the water. It happened in Chicago, it happened 100 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:23,359 Speaker 2: in Seattle. They just had an election in Maine, of 101 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 2: all places. I don't know if you saw this one 102 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:30,039 Speaker 2: where there's essentially a red district that a Democratic candidate 103 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 2: won and has been able to keep for the Democrats 104 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 2: who announced his retirement, and the Democrats in DC won 105 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:41,360 Speaker 2: a more moderate Democrat because that's likely the only type 106 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 2: of candidate who could hold that seat because it is 107 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:47,040 Speaker 2: a red seat. And they went and took a vote 108 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 2: in the Democratic primary, and a far left candidate ended 109 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 2: up winning that, And now I guess there's a big threat. 110 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:57,840 Speaker 2: There's polls that show that there's a longtime Democratic congresswoman 111 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 2: from Colorado Diana to get who is likely now to 112 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:05,040 Speaker 2: lose to a DSA candidate. This is something that's happening 113 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 2: all over the country. Well, if you're willing to vote 114 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 2: for a socialist candidate, my guess is you're willing to 115 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 2: vote for socialist tax policies. And in California, I don't 116 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 2: see how the opposition defeats something like that. Now, maybe 117 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 2: because the unions are split, you can take the teachers 118 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 2: union and you can take the firefighters union and other 119 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 2: unions who won't get any of the spoils, and you 120 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 2: can go to Democrats and make the argument, hey, this 121 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 2: is anti teacher, this is anti education, this is anti firefighter, 122 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 2: and just try to make it an initiative that pits 123 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 2: one union against the next. But if you're just making 124 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 2: the argument that this is bad for the state because 125 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 2: you're going to drive business out of state and the 126 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 2: voters go, well, we're not even capitalists, so why does 127 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 2: that matter. 128 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 1: You're going to lose. 129 00:07:57,200 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 3: I'm telling you right now, the people that are getting 130 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 3: pulled on this, I don't even think they know where 131 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 3: the money's going, and I don't think they care where 132 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 3: it goes. They want to take money away from the billionaires. 133 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 3: That's the sentiment that's out there right now. Too many 134 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 3: people have way too much money, including Tom Steyer, who 135 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 3: blew two hundred and fifty million dollars on a failed 136 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 3: governor's campaign, and they're sick of it. 137 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 2: But what's odd to me is the animosity that these 138 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 2: people have isn't just towards the billionaires. 139 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 1: It's towards the boomers. 140 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 2: Because a lot of these people who can't afford to 141 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:37,200 Speaker 2: buy homes, who work in the service industry, who look 142 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:41,200 Speaker 2: at letter carriers who own homes in the San Fernando Valley, 143 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 2: or teachers who own homes in the South Bay or whatever, 144 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 2: they look at them as the problem. They want those 145 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 2: people out because they see it as okay, a million 146 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:55,959 Speaker 2: years ago, when you could buy a house in the 147 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 2: valley for an onion, all of these people bought their homes, 148 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:03,679 Speaker 2: and now everything is over a million dollars, you have 149 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:06,560 Speaker 2: to have two hundred thousand dollars saved up. There's no 150 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 2: way a barista is going to be able to do that. 151 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 2: So screw these people, Let's tax them to death. That's 152 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 2: the attitude. So anything that is that can pass targeting 153 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 2: billionaires will likely be able to pass. Targeting millionaires, which 154 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:25,679 Speaker 2: is letter carriers who bought a home in the San 155 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:29,080 Speaker 2: Fernando Valley in the nineteen seventies. All of those people 156 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:32,679 Speaker 2: on paper in terms of wealth are technically millionaires. 157 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:37,320 Speaker 3: And one of the technicalities that is in this legislation 158 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 3: if it passes, is that the California legislature can change 159 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:46,320 Speaker 3: the terms whenever they want. So if we drive all 160 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 3: the billionaires out, they can say, okay, now it affects 161 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:51,199 Speaker 3: one hundred millionaires. And then when we drive them out, 162 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:54,320 Speaker 3: it affects the ten millionaires. And when it drives them out, yes, 163 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 3: it affects all the people who own a two bedroom 164 00:09:56,720 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 3: beater in the San Fernando Valley that counts as a 165 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 3: million dollar home. 166 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:05,200 Speaker 2: Usually, when politicians try to pit us against each other, 167 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 2: it is class resentment, it's racial resentment, it is religious resentment. 168 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 1: It's those sorts of things. 169 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 2: Right now, they're kind of shifting how they're targeting the 170 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:22,559 Speaker 2: current group of people who's having their time in the barrel, 171 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:26,679 Speaker 2: and right now it's based on age. They're going after 172 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 2: people who bought homes and are now in their fifties, sixties, seventies, 173 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 2: and eighties. That's the enemy right now, that's the group 174 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 2: that they're targeting well. 175 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 3: And thinking about going back to that Tom Steyer campaign 176 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 3: who leaned heavily into socialist policies, what was his big 177 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:45,680 Speaker 3: thing that he thought was going to propel him going 178 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 3: after Prop thirteen? Because I think he believed there is 179 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 3: an appetite among the young socialists leading people. They hate 180 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 3: Prop thirteen because they find it to be incredibly unfair 181 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:59,560 Speaker 3: that their parents and grandparents can afford homes and they can't. 182 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 2: Yes, and that is reflected in this tax policy and 183 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 2: going after people who own large amounts of assets. But 184 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 2: I believe it's also Prop thirteen as you mentioned, and 185 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:19,320 Speaker 2: it's going to result in policies across the board that 186 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 2: are going to target that population of people. They want 187 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:25,720 Speaker 2: them out of state. And it's also one of these 188 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 2: things where the young socialist voters what they want matches 189 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:36,080 Speaker 2: up to what Sacramento wants, because if you have these 190 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:40,840 Speaker 2: people who bought homes for nothing in the seventies, they're 191 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:45,200 Speaker 2: not paying current market rate taxes on it. So from 192 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 2: Sacramento's point of view, if we lose a lot of 193 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 2: money because a lot of these rich people move out, 194 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:53,840 Speaker 2: you have to make it up somewhere else. You have 195 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 2: to find other groups to open up their checkbooks and 196 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 2: start writing, because your budget is going to take a 197 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 2: torpedo if. 198 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:03,679 Speaker 1: You don't make it up. 199 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:08,840 Speaker 2: And right now, if you look at homeowners who are 200 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 2: in that age bracket who are wealthy on paper but 201 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 2: may not have a million dollars in liquid cash sitting 202 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:19,080 Speaker 2: in their bank, well, okay, let's go after them and 203 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 2: push them out of the state. Let's send them to 204 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 2: Nevada in Arizona two because they're the problem. 205 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:28,200 Speaker 3: Well, and I think this is kind of a sentiment 206 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:31,199 Speaker 3: that you create and is unique in Los Angeles. Now 207 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:35,560 Speaker 3: that we are a majority renter city, you have a 208 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 3: lot of people who do know have a pathway to 209 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 3: create wealth, and that does create a certain resentment where 210 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 3: they're like, all right, well, if I can't create it 211 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 3: on my own. If I can't pull myself up by 212 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 3: my bootstraps and create my own wealth, that must be 213 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 3: because they're taking it away from us, So let's go 214 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 3: after them. 215 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 2: And this is where Gavin Newsom right now is in 216 00:12:56,440 --> 00:13:00,560 Speaker 2: big trouble because if you look at his negotiating position, 217 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 2: he doesn't really have much. 218 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 1: He's a lame duck. 219 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:09,840 Speaker 2: So he can't say, if you don't do this next year, 220 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 2: I'm really going to go after your union in the budget. 221 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 2: So do what I'm telling you to do, or else 222 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 2: you're going to get it next year. You can't say 223 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 2: that because you're not going to be around next year. 224 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 2: If you're going to run for president, you're going to 225 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 2: need the support of organized labor behind you, which means 226 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 2: you don't want to piss them off to the point 227 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:34,719 Speaker 2: to where they're willing to get behind another candidate or 228 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 2: spend money against you. In Iowa, Nevada, New Hampshire and 229 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 2: the SEIU does have the ability to do that if 230 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:47,560 Speaker 2: he really upsets them, And he also doesn't have the 231 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:50,839 Speaker 2: ability to go out and hire a thug who can 232 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 2: go in and threaten them on his behalf. And that's 233 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 2: what he used to do. He used to have that big, fat, 234 00:13:56,520 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 2: drunk Dana Williamson go into these union heads quarters and say, hey, boys, 235 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 2: this is how it's. 236 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 1: Going to be. 237 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 2: Slur in her words, with Gin on her breath, and 238 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 2: that worked for him for a long time. But now 239 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:15,840 Speaker 2: that she's facing time in the clink and she's got 240 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 2: bigger fish to fry, you can't just go out and 241 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 2: replace one mob boss with another, because the old mob 242 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 2: boss generated all of this negative attention. Now she might 243 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:30,520 Speaker 2: end up going to prison and you're dragged into some 244 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 2: kind of scandal. 245 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 1: That's the last thing you need. 246 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 3: Now, the unions realize that Gavin is old News, and 247 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 3: they will find ways to make sure that Javier Bisera 248 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 3: gives them everything that they want if he becomes governor. 249 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 3: But you're already seeing the unions, this different version of 250 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 3: the SEIU, but the SEIU that represents the state workers 251 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 3: go into war with Gavin News over him forcing a 252 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 3: return to work four days a week in the office 253 00:14:57,240 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 3: in Sacramento. They're saying, hell, no, we won't go. They're 254 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 3: not listening to him because guess what, he doesn't have 255 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 3: this job in six months. 256 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:08,720 Speaker 2: And also go back to the story that broke earlier. 257 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 2: This week where Gavin Newsom came out and said that 258 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 2: he's being targeted by the FEDS because Donald Trump doesn't 259 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 2: like his tweets and doesn't want him to be the 260 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 2: Democratic dominee for president in twenty twenty eight. He believes 261 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 2: that Donald Trump is behind that investigation. Now, we've talked 262 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 2: about this subject at nauseum on this program, and more 263 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 2: than one person has brought up the fact, Well, hey, 264 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 2: maybe it's not Trump, maybe it's Kamala Harris, or maybe 265 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 2: it's related to the Dana Williamson investigation. Maybe it's related 266 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 2: to what's going on right now in Oakland with Shane 267 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 2: Tau and the Dong family and all of that drama. 268 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely, But how about this. 269 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 2: It could just be rank and file California workers who 270 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 2: belonged to the SDIU or some other union who came 271 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 2: across something that didn't look right to them and they decided. 272 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 1: To blow the whistle. He could have heat with them. 273 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 2: I don't know, None of us know, and the FBI 274 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 2: isn't talking right now, that's for sure. But I don't 275 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 2: see how Gavin Newsom has the power to knock this 276 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 2: thing off the ballot. 277 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 1: I really don't he does. 278 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 2: Maybe the SCIU is looking to cut a deal because 279 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:28,320 Speaker 2: it saves them a bunch of money if they get 280 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 2: something close to it, but they don't have to spend 281 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 2: the money on the ballot initiative to get it over 282 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 2: the finish line. So I understand why they're trying to negotiate. 283 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 2: But Gavin Newsom can't approve any tax like this and 284 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:44,320 Speaker 2: remain viable for president, so he can't agree to it. 285 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 3: I'm going to tell you right now, if this thing 286 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 3: does make the ballot, there's going to be so much 287 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 3: money spent on this race because all of the people 288 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 3: supporting the opposing measures, the billionaires that don't want this, 289 00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 3: They're going to buy so much ad time, and I think, 290 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 3: much like Tom Steyer, it's gonna blow up in their 291 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 3: face because the more ads you see to get rid 292 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:08,119 Speaker 3: of the billionaire tax, you're thinking, well, those people have 293 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 3: money to buy all these ads. 294 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:12,879 Speaker 2: Maybe, but maybe what they do is they run the 295 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:15,160 Speaker 2: money through the California Teachers Association. 296 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 3: They are pissed. This is a situation where it's not 297 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 3: a tax that just goes to the general fund. It's 298 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:25,040 Speaker 3: mostly going to this one union, which if revenue goes 299 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 3: down means a whole bunch of other public unions like 300 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 3: the CTA, like UTLA, They're gonna lose money, They're gonna 301 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:35,720 Speaker 3: lose funding, So this might create an intra union war. 302 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:38,720 Speaker 2: I can tell you this, it's the only thing that 303 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 2: anyone's talking about here in Sacramento right now that in 304 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:46,359 Speaker 2: Gavin's troubles with the Feds. 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He is the host of the story Is, 350 00:19:56,480 --> 00:20:00,879 Speaker 2: which hers weeknights from nine to eleven pm Pacific on CNN. 351 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:05,160 Speaker 2: You can follow him on x at Elex Underscore Michaelson, 352 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:06,439 Speaker 2: Alex Michaelson. 353 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:10,400 Speaker 5: Welcome, hey John, Good to be with you. Happy Friday. 354 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:12,400 Speaker 1: Happy Friday, tou too. 355 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:18,720 Speaker 2: So today I am broadcasting from Sacramento, California, the state Capitol. 356 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 2: I'm here to watch the Angels loot play this weekend, 357 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:25,879 Speaker 2: and I've got to tell you that the dock of 358 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 2: the down ear is that SCIU ballot initiative that has 359 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:35,159 Speaker 2: generated enough signatures to appear on the November ballot. The 360 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 2: state legislature was here this week to vote on the budget, 361 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:41,120 Speaker 2: and the SCIU, Gavin, by the way, is not here. 362 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 2: Of course, the SCIU is trying to negotiate with Gavin 363 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:48,680 Speaker 2: to try to figure out some sort of compromise so 364 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:51,680 Speaker 2: that they don't put the initiative on the November ballot. 365 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:56,159 Speaker 2: So far, Gavin hasn't accepted any of the terms that 366 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 2: they've proposed to him. I think they dropped it down 367 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 2: from five percent to two and he said no, he 368 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:04,399 Speaker 2: wasn't going to do that. If they put this on 369 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 2: the ballot in November, though the polls indicate it's likely 370 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 2: to pass. What do you think is going to end 371 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:11,640 Speaker 2: up happening here? Do you think they're going to come 372 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:13,200 Speaker 2: to a deal or do you think we're going to 373 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 2: see this on our ballot? 374 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 5: Well, I was listening to your conversation before, and I 375 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 5: think the point about the other unions being frustrated by 376 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 5: this may be the most important important one, because yes, 377 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 5: it's true that that Gavin Newsom probably has limited leverage, 378 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:31,359 Speaker 5: certainly less leverage and he's had any other time during 379 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 5: his time being governor. But those other unions are pretty powerful, 380 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 5: and this idea of them losing power is quite something. 381 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:44,119 Speaker 5: So if you do have an alliance between sort of 382 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 5: the most powerful democratic unions other than and it's not 383 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 5: even all SCIU, it's SCIU Health, it's just a sub 384 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:56,159 Speaker 5: section of SCIU versus you know, the teachers Union and 385 00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:59,880 Speaker 5: every other sort of powerful union in the state. Plus 386 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 5: the wealthiest people in the state. I mean that that 387 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:08,639 Speaker 5: is a real powerhouse. And yes, the polling shows it 388 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:12,199 Speaker 5: being a certain way right now, but that's before a 389 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:15,360 Speaker 5: campaign is launched. And if you have all of those 390 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 5: people together, you know, Gavin Newsom plus you know, wealthy 391 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 5: Republicans plus teachers union plus the best consultants in the state, 392 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:27,680 Speaker 5: all working together, I don't think it's a foregone conclusion 393 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:28,680 Speaker 5: that this thing passes. 394 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 2: I talked to a Republican consultant who did polling on it, 395 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:37,119 Speaker 2: not just here in California, but he anticipated something like 396 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 2: this showing up in other states. So he pulled California, 397 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:45,159 Speaker 2: New York, Florida, and Texas. And he told me privately 398 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:48,960 Speaker 2: that his polling indicated that it would be a runaway 399 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 2: success in California and New York, and the numbers that 400 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:57,119 Speaker 2: he got back from Florida and Texas were kind of 401 00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 2: surprising because it was closer to fifty fifth d than 402 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,919 Speaker 2: losing in a landslide. He thinks there is there is 403 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:09,240 Speaker 2: intense resentment right now towards those with money, billionaire specifically, 404 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 2: and he thinks that if this makes the ballot, the 405 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:15,720 Speaker 2: no side is going to have a real real tough 406 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 2: time beating it. 407 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 5: I mean that that does make sense. I mean there 408 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 5: is intense resentment, and you think about a lot of 409 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 5: people feel like they've been screwed by the system because 410 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:34,680 Speaker 5: they have to and the wealth gap is extraordinary U 411 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 5: and it is frustrating, and you see this sort of 412 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 5: you know, oligarchy, which is a Bernie Sanders word, but 413 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:45,680 Speaker 5: probably one that's pretty accurate, especially in our state, when 414 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:49,639 Speaker 5: it comes to things like tech and the the incredible power. 415 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:52,879 Speaker 5: I mean, you look at you know, Donald Trump's inauguration. 416 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 5: Who's sitting in the front row. It's all the big 417 00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:58,879 Speaker 5: tech guys. You look at his trip to China, Who's 418 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:01,680 Speaker 5: sitting in the front row. It's all the big tech guys. 419 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:06,200 Speaker 5: And you know, we're seeing some of the consequences of that, 420 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 5: and in terms of some of these lawsuits about the 421 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,119 Speaker 5: addictive natures of tech and how that's messing up with 422 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 5: our society. And yet a lot of these people are 423 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 5: in the driver's seat. And as we now talk about 424 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:20,920 Speaker 5: and think about AI and already some of the job 425 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 5: loss that's coming from that, I think there's a real 426 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 5: feeling that, you know, people are not being the average 427 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 5: person is not being protected and a few people are 428 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:35,000 Speaker 5: benefiting from that, and I think there's real, real, real 429 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:38,720 Speaker 5: resentment over that. So if they are effectively able to 430 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 5: channel that anger in this campaign and make people feel 431 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 5: like that is that they are giving a middle finger 432 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:48,119 Speaker 5: to the billionaires and they've got a good chance of winning. 433 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,240 Speaker 5: The question is, you know, is the other side able 434 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 5: to come up with a better, more effective argument given 435 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 5: all the resources that they would have on their side 436 00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:56,640 Speaker 5: as well. 437 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,359 Speaker 2: Don't you think though, that that's playing with fire in 438 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 2: a state like California in particular, because Okay, if you 439 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 2: run against the billionaires and the tech guys in Vermont, 440 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 2: then what does it matter to you? You know, that's 441 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:15,200 Speaker 2: not your dominant industry. If you do it in Oregon, 442 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 2: who cares, they're a great boogeyman for you. But in California, 443 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,440 Speaker 2: when you think of our dominant industries, our industries that 444 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 2: pay our bills, that allow us to make our budget, 445 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:28,520 Speaker 2: a lot of the industries that we relied on for 446 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 2: a long time are gone. I mean, in the old 447 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 2: days it was a railroads that hasn't been a thing 448 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:35,720 Speaker 2: for a long time. We had the oil companies and 449 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:39,879 Speaker 2: the banks, and the defense industry, and aerospace that is 450 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:44,680 Speaker 2: largely gone. We have Hollywood that's gone. Where you have 451 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:48,959 Speaker 2: only a small portion of movies and television programs filmed 452 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,679 Speaker 2: in the state of California. Yes, they're headquartered here, but 453 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 2: the filming itself, much of it is done elsewhere. When 454 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 2: you look at who pays the bills that allows us 455 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 2: to exist here in California, there is one dominant industry 456 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,640 Speaker 2: that without it, I don't know what our budget would 457 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 2: look like. I don't know what our employment situation would 458 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 2: look like. It would certainly be shaky at best, but 459 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:17,320 Speaker 2: it would likely fall apart if you push Silicon Valley 460 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 2: out of the state of California. What do we have left? 461 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 5: Right? I mean, that's the reason we are the fourth 462 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 5: largest economy in the world is almost entirely because of 463 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,960 Speaker 5: Silicon Valley. I mean, as you know better than anybody, 464 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:37,080 Speaker 5: rich people, really really really rich people pay almost all 465 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:40,199 Speaker 5: the bills in California. So as long as we're in 466 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:43,320 Speaker 5: that system, how does it make sense to have something 467 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:47,600 Speaker 5: that pushes all the people that pay all your bills out? 468 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 5: Then who pays the bills? Who pays for all this stuff? 469 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 5: We clearly don't have enough money to pay for the 470 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,440 Speaker 5: stuff as it is based off of the way things 471 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,359 Speaker 5: are at. So all of these unions who enjoy the 472 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,160 Speaker 5: payoffs they have from a system which has been set 473 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,560 Speaker 5: up to pay them off, all of a sudden if 474 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,840 Speaker 5: Daddy who pays the checks is no longer paying the checks, 475 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,720 Speaker 5: they're not going to get their money either. So this 476 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:17,720 Speaker 5: system could collapse if this wealth tax goes through. It 477 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:21,560 Speaker 5: fundamentally does not work given the way that California is paid, 478 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:25,240 Speaker 5: which is why a lot of the folks that have 479 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 5: been in the system, like Gavin Newsom, who actually understands 480 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:32,120 Speaker 5: the budget and knows the numbers, realizes that this thing 481 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 5: could be a disaster for the state, and which is 482 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 5: why they're pushing back. Which is why every single Democrat, 483 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:43,480 Speaker 5: knowing the poll numbers of where they are, was against 484 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,639 Speaker 5: this wealth tax running for governor except for Tom Steyer, 485 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 5: a billionaire. They all know that it's a bad idea, 486 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 5: and yet the people who are just so frustrated by 487 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:58,240 Speaker 5: a system that has so screwed them over are so 488 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 5: desperate to say few to somebody that it most likely 489 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:05,959 Speaker 5: would pass just because people are that angry. 490 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 2: Let's go back to what Gavin Newsom had to say. 491 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:14,120 Speaker 2: Earlier this week at this press conference where he announced 492 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:17,320 Speaker 2: that he and his wife are under investigation right now 493 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:21,080 Speaker 2: from the Department of Justice, he implied that it was 494 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:24,959 Speaker 2: politically motivator didn't imply. He said it was politically motivated 495 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:29,520 Speaker 2: that Donald Trump was targeting him specifically over his Twitter 496 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:33,639 Speaker 2: feed and social media accounts, and because he is likely 497 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,280 Speaker 2: to be a candidate for president in twenty twenty eight, 498 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:39,240 Speaker 2: the first time to my eye, he's ever publicly come 499 00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:41,959 Speaker 2: out and confirmed that. The last time I heard him 500 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,160 Speaker 2: speak of it, he said he had sub zero interest 501 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 2: in running, and all of us, of course, believed him 502 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:47,200 Speaker 2: when he. 503 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:51,880 Speaker 1: Said that he's moved on that before to say the least, 504 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 1: I think the electricity. 505 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,920 Speaker 5: Some places, including in an interview with me, he had 506 00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 5: confirmed that he's considering running, so well, that part of 507 00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:01,720 Speaker 5: it news, But go ahead, Yeah. 508 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 2: I think someone unplugged that sub zero freezer at some 509 00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:05,720 Speaker 2: point between the now. 510 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,120 Speaker 1: But yes, I digress. 511 00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 2: But you look at what we know about this investigation 512 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,520 Speaker 2: that the FBI is not publicly confirmed, but they never 513 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:19,240 Speaker 2: do that. They never speak to active investigations or rarely 514 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:22,760 Speaker 2: speak to them until or unless someone is indicted or 515 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:26,600 Speaker 2: formally charged. But what we believe to know about this 516 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 2: is that this investigation started out under the Biden administration, 517 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 2: not the Trump administration, and it started here in California, 518 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:40,640 Speaker 2: not in Washington, d C. Potentially from California whistleblowers who 519 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:44,040 Speaker 2: saw something that didn't look right to them. It's going 520 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:47,200 Speaker 2: to be very difficult, if in fact those things are true, 521 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:51,240 Speaker 2: for him to portray this as the Trump administration coming 522 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,840 Speaker 2: after him, if in fact it started under Biden and 523 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:58,760 Speaker 2: started out of the California office, particularly when you're running 524 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,959 Speaker 2: in a Democratic primary against oh I don't know the 525 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,880 Speaker 2: former attorney general of the state of California. 526 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,960 Speaker 5: Right who I talked to a couple of days ago 527 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:18,640 Speaker 5: in Vienna at the Schwarzeneger Austrian Global Austria Summit, which 528 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,040 Speaker 5: was and I had an opportunity to talk to Kamala Harris, 529 00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:23,680 Speaker 5: and I asked her about Gavin Newsom, and she never 530 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:25,720 Speaker 5: even said his name. She said, you know, she don't 531 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:29,840 Speaker 5: talk about her President Trump potential going after opponents as 532 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 5: something that she had talked about, she said the current governor, 533 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:33,560 Speaker 5: which was interesting. 534 00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,840 Speaker 1: Look, we don't know exactly the facts here. 535 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:41,280 Speaker 5: We know for sure that there was an investigation that 536 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:45,560 Speaker 5: was launched during the Biden administration from the West Attorney's office. 537 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,600 Speaker 5: We know that the Dana Williamson investigation was launched during 538 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:54,320 Speaker 5: the Biden administration during by his Department of Justice. It 539 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,440 Speaker 5: is possible that Newsome people seem to think that there 540 00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:01,880 Speaker 5: was a second, separate investigation launched into Jennifer Siebel Newsom 541 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 5: about a year ago. We don't know for sure, because 542 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,760 Speaker 5: the DOJ hasn't confirmed that that's what they believe based 543 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,600 Speaker 5: off of the way things have gone, So it'll be 544 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:15,320 Speaker 5: interesting to see what started where and who. It certainly 545 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 5: seems like that a lot of this was driven by 546 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:20,680 Speaker 5: the US Attorney's office in California, but we know that 547 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,400 Speaker 5: the US Attorney reports to the DOJ, which reports to 548 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:27,360 Speaker 5: President Trump. So we'll see in terms of the timing 549 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,400 Speaker 5: of all of that. But it certainly seems like some 550 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:34,240 Speaker 5: of what Gavin Newsom was saying in that first wave 551 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:36,920 Speaker 5: of him trying to spin this thing, that this all 552 00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:39,600 Speaker 5: just came from Trump's DOJ and it was all just 553 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:43,040 Speaker 5: about targeting him. The facts, for what we know so 554 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:44,720 Speaker 5: far do not seem to support that. 555 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,360 Speaker 2: Let's shift gears here for a second and talk about 556 00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:51,800 Speaker 2: the LA mayor's race, because we will see a November 557 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:57,280 Speaker 2: matchup of Karen Bass, the incumbent embattled LA mayor, against 558 00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:03,000 Speaker 2: Nthia Rahman, the DSA council woman, who is I guess 559 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,880 Speaker 2: running in second right now in that race for mere 560 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,560 Speaker 2: I want to talk about that in the context of 561 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:14,200 Speaker 2: a report that came out recently, or a story that 562 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 2: came out recently from one of your colleagues at CNN, 563 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:22,080 Speaker 2: Harry Enton, who looked at Democratic voters and their attitudes 564 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:26,920 Speaker 2: regarding capitalism and socialism and how it's changed over time. 565 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:31,960 Speaker 2: According to Enton, only forty two percent of Democrats right 566 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:36,520 Speaker 2: now have a favorable view of capitalism, while two thirds 567 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:40,920 Speaker 2: have a favorable view of socialism. When you put that 568 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:44,360 Speaker 2: in the context of mayoral results that we've seen in 569 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:48,760 Speaker 2: places like New York City, in Chicago, in Seattle, what 570 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,160 Speaker 2: we're seeing right now play out in Washington, d C. 571 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:56,800 Speaker 2: It is entirely possible that a socialist candidate could become 572 00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:00,480 Speaker 2: mayor of the second largest city in the country, something 573 00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:04,360 Speaker 2: I would have told you five years ago was not possible. 574 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:10,239 Speaker 5: Now socialist became mayor of the largest city country. So 575 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:13,920 Speaker 5: we've already seen that, right, I mean in Zoron Mundani. 576 00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:18,120 Speaker 5: So yeah, I think it is possible. What I'm curious 577 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:23,240 Speaker 5: about given those numbers is how much does Nithia Rahman 578 00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:27,040 Speaker 5: emphasize the fact that she is a member of the DSA. 579 00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:30,360 Speaker 5: In the primary, she seemed to sort of suppress it 580 00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:33,560 Speaker 5: a bit. Does she lean into it, does she make 581 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:37,520 Speaker 5: the argument that LA needs to be more progressive those numbers, 582 00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:40,040 Speaker 5: does she actually try to rally those people to her side, 583 00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:44,160 Speaker 5: or does she try to win over the Spencer Pratt 584 00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:47,600 Speaker 5: voters who really want to who don't like Karen Bassan 585 00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,320 Speaker 5: want to change and make the argument that she's a 586 00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:53,400 Speaker 5: better and more confident manager and she's going to change 587 00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,680 Speaker 5: the system. And I'm really curious. I haven't had a 588 00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:00,200 Speaker 5: chance to interview her yet since she moved on. In 589 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:02,640 Speaker 5: terms of where Nifia goes, what do you think is 590 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:05,400 Speaker 5: the more effective strategy for her if you were advising. 591 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:08,359 Speaker 2: Her, Well, I think a lot of the Pratt people 592 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,439 Speaker 2: are just going to leave it blank. I don't think 593 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:12,680 Speaker 2: that they're going to vote for her. If I lived 594 00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:15,000 Speaker 2: in the city of Los Angeles, I would leave it blank. 595 00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:18,719 Speaker 2: Mayor bass does not deserve a second term after her 596 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:22,040 Speaker 2: performance in the Pacific Palisades. Under no circumstances would I 597 00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:25,000 Speaker 2: vote for her, And under no circumstances would I vote 598 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:28,759 Speaker 2: for a socialist. So I think that they're going to 599 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,840 Speaker 2: be talking to their people and they're going to have 600 00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:35,400 Speaker 2: to convince I guess people who voted for some of 601 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,640 Speaker 2: the non Pratt candidates who are also on the ballot, 602 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,960 Speaker 2: and those people will be the ones that decide who 603 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,600 Speaker 2: the winner is and who the loser is. What I 604 00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:49,240 Speaker 2: don't understand is why the Democratic candidates in these races 605 00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:54,600 Speaker 2: seem to be so afraid of creating separation between themselves 606 00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:58,960 Speaker 2: and their ideology and the DSA candidate and their ideology. 607 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:02,440 Speaker 2: The old time any ones do that, I remember, maybe 608 00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:05,720 Speaker 2: it was even with you. Nancy Pelosi gave an interview 609 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,760 Speaker 2: where she was being peppered with questions about the squad 610 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:11,600 Speaker 2: and she said, look, I'm a capitalist and I make 611 00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:15,080 Speaker 2: no apologies about being a capitalist. They're socialist. 612 00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:15,880 Speaker 1: That's not me. 613 00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:20,239 Speaker 2: And she made a clear distinction that she was a 614 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:23,920 Speaker 2: Democrat and a capitalist and not a socialist. And I 615 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:27,239 Speaker 2: don't see many of these other Democratic candidates doing that, 616 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:31,160 Speaker 2: And I don't know why, because it seems like if 617 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:36,239 Speaker 2: you're trying to create a distinction between yourself and these challengers. 618 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:40,279 Speaker 2: Highlighting some of their more radical positions and how you 619 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:43,719 Speaker 2: don't take those positions would be something that would benefit you, 620 00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:45,520 Speaker 2: but they haven't done that. 621 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:49,360 Speaker 5: I think Karen Bassey is going to try to do that, 622 00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,560 Speaker 5: and we've gotten some hints of that already, sort of 623 00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:55,960 Speaker 5: leaning into how she sees Nythia Rahman as too liberal 624 00:35:56,360 --> 00:36:00,359 Speaker 5: on homelessness in terms of the tent encampments and other 625 00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:03,520 Speaker 5: positions that she's already highlighted in the last week or two, 626 00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:08,200 Speaker 5: trying to cast Nythia Rahman as too liberal. We know 627 00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:12,919 Speaker 5: Karen Bass's passed association with Castro and Cuba from many, 628 00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:16,279 Speaker 5: many decades ago, but I would I actually think that 629 00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,160 Speaker 5: the Bass plan is to run to the right of 630 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:21,640 Speaker 5: Nythia Rahman and to try to make the argument that 631 00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,839 Speaker 5: she is more centrist and that Nythia Rahman is too 632 00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,520 Speaker 5: far out there, and that Bass in a way is 633 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,000 Speaker 5: going to be appealing to some of those Pratt voters 634 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,480 Speaker 5: to try to say you may not love me, but 635 00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:35,640 Speaker 5: you do not want to go DSA. And I think 636 00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:37,600 Speaker 5: that's going to be really interesting to see her try 637 00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:38,319 Speaker 5: to execute that. 638 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,240 Speaker 2: What's funny is I asked Roxanne Hoague if the Bass 639 00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:45,600 Speaker 2: people have reached out to her, the answer no, it's 640 00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:48,480 Speaker 2: my understanding that they haven't reached out to the Pratt people. 641 00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:53,480 Speaker 2: She's not appearing on any right of center radio, television, 642 00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:59,080 Speaker 2: internet programs, podcasts, whatever. If she's reaching out to those voters. 643 00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:01,239 Speaker 2: There's no eva evidents of that happening to me. 644 00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:07,719 Speaker 5: Yeah, and she I think she should, you know, I mean, 645 00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,080 Speaker 5: I think she should. She should be out there. But 646 00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:14,040 Speaker 5: I've been interested, frankly, and I've tried honestly to interview 647 00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:16,880 Speaker 5: both of them, with the Raman and Karen Bass, and 648 00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:20,480 Speaker 5: I was surprised that in the days after that election 649 00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:25,279 Speaker 5: that neither one of them were all that present media wise. 650 00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,480 Speaker 5: To me, it was an opportunity when people were really 651 00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:32,319 Speaker 5: paying attention to try to, you know, set where things 652 00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:35,319 Speaker 5: are at, especially for some of the Pratt people, to 653 00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:38,080 Speaker 5: like give people a fresh view when that race was 654 00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:40,680 Speaker 5: so hot, and at least when it comes to me 655 00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:42,920 Speaker 5: and I didn't see them that many other places, they 656 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:46,759 Speaker 5: really chose not to engage, and I personally think that 657 00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,560 Speaker 5: was a mistake. They're free to run their campaigns the 658 00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:53,160 Speaker 5: way that they want, but I think their people at 659 00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:54,759 Speaker 5: that moment were ready to hear from them. And I 660 00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:57,040 Speaker 5: don't know if in two weeks or three weeks people 661 00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:58,879 Speaker 5: are going to be as interested in the LA Mayor's race. 662 00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:01,560 Speaker 5: I mean, I think people will be in October, but 663 00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:04,919 Speaker 5: I think that, you know, people's attention spans are short, 664 00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:06,960 Speaker 5: and it would have made sense to really lean in 665 00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:09,000 Speaker 5: when people were really paying attention. 666 00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:13,279 Speaker 2: Alex Michaelson, host of the Story Is, which hears week 667 00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:17,480 Speaker 2: nines from nine to eleven pm Pacific on CNN. You 668 00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:21,200 Speaker 2: can't follow him on exit Alex Underscore Michaelson. Alex Michaelson, 669 00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:25,560 Speaker 2: thanks so much for stopping by. Thanks John, It's the 670 00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,759 Speaker 2: John Phillips Show. We've got two more hours coming up 671 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:29,919 Speaker 2: on The John Phillips Show. 672 00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:30,960 Speaker 1: Don't You Go Anywhere